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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I'm getting the opportunity to share

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a conversation with you guys, doctor marsh and doctor Madison.

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And the reason why is because it goes back to

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an experience that I had with Elton John where someone said,

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do you want to talk with Elton John? Do you

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want to talk to the road manager? And I said

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the road manager? And I believe that that's exactly what

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you guys are doing, Doctor, is that you guys have

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also went to these six countries. You guys also spent

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two years of your life on this project. I love

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the fact that we get to see what you're investing

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in it because just like Chris, you still have to

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be you persevere, You've got to be able to grow

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forward with this original idea.

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Speaker 2: Sure yeah, I really found this project an exciting one

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to be part of. I'm a neuroscientist and psychologist at

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Georgetown University, and I study fear in the lab. I'm

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interested in not only what causes fear in the brain,

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but ways that we can reduce our own fear of

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taking on risks. And it's one thing to study these

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things in the lab and to study the brain basis

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of them. It's quite another thing to see the whole

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process play out in real life, and to see Chris

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tackling this amazing challenge that he really was quite nervous

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to do, which was climbing a five hundred foot high

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wall which was the face of a damn and the

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Swiss Alps was incredibly inspiring. But it was also really

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exciting from a scientific perspective to see that these principles

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really do apply in real life.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Madison, what are you discovering? Because I mean where

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you step into this, I mean it's once again it's

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the outside looking in. I learned that in martial arts,

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if you truly want to learn martial arts, be on

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the outside of the mat, not on the mat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's I think where Chris and I

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really struck a note together was he came to a

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live show. He saw someone who's older than him, which

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is myself, out there doing tricks that the younger gods

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are doing, and he's like, how do you do this?

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Speaker 4: How do you push yourself?

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Speaker 3: And we got into some deep conversations and it really

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kind of came back to our kids and how I'm

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trying to be a great example to my kids.

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Speaker 4: Through example, not true words.

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Speaker 3: Yelling at him not to try to get you know,

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do what I say, not what I do. I want

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to say, Do what I say, and do what I do.

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And so together my kids are my best friends, and

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we work together. We pay homeschool with us, so we

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have a very blessed life. But more so importantly is

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I'm there along the way to help them face their fears.

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And kids aren't feel less, they just are more inclined

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to take the risks. And I see my kids really

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terrified of certain situations, and I remind them that they've

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done the hard work, they've done the training, they're capable

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of doing it, their technique is right, and now they

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just need to educate their mind and get their mind right.

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Speaker 4: So then I have my kids visualize.

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Speaker 3: What they're going to do, and I say, don't do

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it until you can visually see yourself doing it.

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Speaker 4: And then let's keep.

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Speaker 3: Practicing in safety with safety measures so they can't get

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hurt until you know that you can go without the

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without the safety, without the pitch, without the harnesses. And

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then once they are able to get their mind to

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overcome the negative side of it, and then they can

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picture it in their mind clearly, and then they go, Yep,

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take up the leashes, set me free.

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Speaker 4: I can do it. They land it? Whence they land?

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Speaker 3: Live for, Just to see the purity and their growth

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and achieving something. It's so powerful, and that's just I'm

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trying to steal that in my kids, to let them

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know that this is how life is. It does It's

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not just about this physical thing we're doing. Whether it's business,

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it doesn't matter what you do. You have to challenge yourself.

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You have to expose yourself into areas that create growth.

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And through doing that in stay consistent. You may not

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succeed the first time, but with consistent and from the

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failures and learnings, you will be able to achieve your

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goals and your dreams and where you weren't terrible of

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when you started. But it all takes consistency, and so

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that's what this series dives into a lot of that,

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and we have great people like doctor marsh On there

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explaining eurologically what's happening. And then I'm there as a

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physical example for Chris to just chat him along and

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speak to him as a friend, to encourage him to

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. We're coming back with doctor Abigail

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Marsh and doctor Robbie Madison. Coming up next, the TV

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show Limited with Chris Hemsworth Facing Your Fear. We are

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back with doctor Abigail Marsh and doctor Robbie Madison. Now

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Doctor Marsh, I believe that fuel is fear, and when

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I feel that moment of fear, the first thing I

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do is I get into my defrag journals and I

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start asking questions and questioning answers because you know, just

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like Chris, we all have those moments where I'm going

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to sit in front of a live audience and I'm

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gonna play the drums for the very first time, and yeah,

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the fear is there. But man, when you use it

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as fuel, do you see it as fuel?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: You know, fear is as an emotion that we evolve

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to fuel because it's useful. And sometimes it's useful because

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it's helping us avoid, you know, potentially life threatening risks.

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useful in sort of giving us energy and giving us,

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you know, in small dose, is a sense of excitement

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in novel situations. The problem comes up when people take

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their fear too seriously, and they assume that it's speaking

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the truth. So fear it's a useful signal, but it's

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not always a correct signal. And sometimes, especially as we

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get older, people get in the habit of automatically avoiding

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anything that they're afraid of. And that's a terrible path

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to go down, because the more you avoid the things

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you're afraid of, the more afraid of them you get.

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identifying things that you're unreasonably scared of. So these would

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be positive risks that we can take that might help

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us grow, that might help us learn, that might give

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us a sense of excitement, and tackling them head on

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rather than avoiding them. And this is what psychologists call

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exposure therapy, and it's the only known long turn way

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to get rid of our fear of again reasonable things

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to be afraid of. This is not like go plan traffic,

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because that's scary, that's a bad idea, But you know,

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climbing walls, climbing trees, public speaking, talking to strangers, that

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kind of thing, and it works better than any drug

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and reducing us sometimes eliminating our fear in the long term.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Madison. I live in a forest here in South Charlotte.

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I'm out there with the deer every single day. I

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know that they freeze when they see me. I've also

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seen the goats that freeze when it becomes a fear

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when humans face that. What do you do with someone

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like Chris to get him to take that step? You've

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got to move, dude.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that my research has shown

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is that people who take on impressive risks are usually

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not people who are fearless. They're people who've learned how

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to manage their fear, usually by focusing on the matter

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to them, right, and what Chris was focusing on and

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tackling this challenge was on what mattered to him, which

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was taking on a challenge in order to achieve growth

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and in order to also achieve something called a flow state.

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mind when you're tackling a challenge that is right at

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the limits of what you're able to do. And if

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you're in a flow state, most of us have felt

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you lose your sense of time, you become less sensitive

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to pain and to fatigue, and Chris really wants to

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you talked about that flow statement. And

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because one of the things that I studied in martial

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arts is do not create a rock to put inside

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your flow. You've got to study that flow and learn

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to trust that flow.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I I totally you know, I mean in sync

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with you there and through what I do with the freestyle,

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mitocross and jumping world records.

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Speaker 4: You know, the flow is.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I started rauding, some days I feel

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very taught. I'm aware of maybe my little back's a

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bit tired. And so proper preparation obviously allows you to

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kind of go in there ready for the the the

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fight in your case, or for the battle of or

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for the writing experience in my case. But more so,

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you know, it's just steven out of your comfort zone

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and and and uh and and so when you have

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these limitations that stop you getting into your flow state,

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you once you get your mind right and you step

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out of that kind of comfort zone and just believe

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in yourself. You know your technique right, you know your

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timing is right. You do some things to reassure yourself

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that you're good and trust yourself. And once you know

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that you can trust, then you're able to just kind

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of let go of that fear and just trust. And

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then once you kind of have that and and you

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hit in your marks and you're trusting that these things

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of the building blocks that can really elevate your level

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and growth is healthy and uh and literally, you know,

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comfort zones is just a prison that we live in.

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Speaker 4: And if you're able to zone.

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Speaker 3: Then real growth happens and that's where happiness happens and

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life starts to flourish.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you guys have got to come back to this

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show anytime in the future. I love where your your

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energy is and how this is more than just a

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television show that you're actually reaching out to us as viewers.

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You're challenging us. Go do it, just go do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not do what we do, do what you need

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to do? What what? What? Your what? What? What challenges you?

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Speaker 3: And doctor Marsh says, you know, it might be public speaking,

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it could be swimming. My mechanic is terrified of water,

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and I've helped him overcome that. I had a fear

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for for heights as well, and now I skydive every

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day as a as a hobby. It's really life changing

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and life Abby explains, the only way to head this

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up is to just up in there and face it.

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Don't face it relestly, don't do it in calculated way,

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and uh and you'll change your life. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Will you guys be brilliant today?

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Speaker 4: Okay, sir, thank you