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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like he would rather live in his car

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and spend his money on stupid things like games and

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stuff like that instead of reality.

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Speaker 3: This is season twelve, episode two and eighty five of

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Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst

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monsters are real. Well, we got lots of goodies in

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the store stored swordscale dot com. Lots of them are

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on a deep discount because I need to get.

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Speaker 4: Them out of my garage.

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Speaker 3: We have this saying we throw around here a lot,

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The worst monsters are real. It's not something we came

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up with in a focus group or that someone threw

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around in a water cooler discussion, something that would be

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great for a T shirt. No, it's something that developed

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a lot more organically than that. When you get hit

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over the head with an idea over and over and

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over again, even for the dumbest of us, something eventually sticks.

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What happened on New Year's Day in Everett, Washington is

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a great example of that. The misty city of Everett

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was boasting its typical winter colors of gray and green,

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nestled in Puget Sound. It's your typical Pacific northwest Port town,

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where the drab, rainy skies are offset by the endless

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green shrubbery and towering Douglas Fir trees, beautiful but super depressing.

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Outside the Cedar Creek apartments, two officers arrived to do

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a welfare check gun thirty five year old Sherry Harlan.

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Speaker 5: She had grown up until she was a teenager in Oregon,

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had moved to Washington with her mother. She was working

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at j C. Penny and had just moved to a

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new apartment.

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Speaker 3: This is former Deputy District Attorney Craig Matheson.

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Speaker 5: My name is Craig Matheson. I was a deputy Prosking

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attorney for Snohomish County. I did that for thirty five

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years and retired in June of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Shelley hadn't shown up for the last few shifts at

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j C. Penny. One of my first jobs worked in

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the men's underwear department, or a suit and everything. It's crazy.

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You imagine young Mike Boudet in a suit at J C.

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Penny selling you underwear. Neither can I anyway, Sherry's co

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workers grew more and more concerned every time they tried

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to call her because they weren't getting an answer. And

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as we've heard before, this just wasn't like Sherry. Again,

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I'm not sure who the type is that just disappears

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and doesn't answer people. Oh right, that's me. That's me.

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Don't call me anyway. She actually enjoyed working at JC Penny.

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She had a lot of fun with her co workers,

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who teased her about the awkward laugh she had. This

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awkward laugh happened so often they decided to catch it

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on video.

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Speaker 6: Oh quaker laugh laugh, Sherry call the wheel, she can't sell.

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They get it to the second part of the laugh.

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Speaker 3: Look, no, we didn't get the trigger warnings on this

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episode incorrectly. That was not a wounded animal. That was

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Sherry's laugh anyway. Sherry had left her shift at j C.

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Penny on January first and hadn't been seen since. Her

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coworkers called the police and asked for a welfare check.

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On January fifth.

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Speaker 5: Several uniform deputies showed up at the apartment complex, which

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was the Cedar Creek Apartments, and the maintenance man on

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duty at the apartment complex got his keys in a

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loud law enforcement entry into Sherry's apartment, and once the

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deputies entered the apartment, it became pretty clear pretty quickly

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that they were not going to be dealing with a

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missing person's case, but a homicide case.

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Speaker 3: Sherry's small, one bedroom apartment was a complete disaster.

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Speaker 5: There was a heavy odor of bleach in the air

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inside the apartment. There had been some linoleum that had

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been cut off the floor of the kitchen in the apartment.

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There had been an amount of carpeting that had been

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cut off the floor in the bedroom of the apartment.

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Inside the apartment bedroom where the carpeting had been cut

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off on all four walls, there was blood spatter, so

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essentially kind of in a three hundred sixty degree radius.

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Law enforcement also found a t shirt that had would

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appear to be a bloody footprint on it. There was

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a futon mattress that appeared to have several cuts that

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you might expect from a knife being plunged into it.

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And there was a pair of gloves, the naitral gloves,

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and one of them had what looked like tissue, and

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when I say tissue, I mean human tissue on the

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on the glove.

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Speaker 3: But there was no sign of Sherry or her beloved dog, Roscoe.

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She was gone. The deputies could tell that something horrific

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had happened in her apartment. They slowly backed up, closed

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the door to the crime scene, and called in the

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higher ups. Fairy's welfare check had quickly turned into something

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much more sinister. When detectives descended on the Cedar Creek apartments,

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they got to work trying to figure out what happened.

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Speaker 5: Detectives started fanning out and doing a canvas of neighbors

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of Sherry's see whether they either saw something or heard anything,

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and several of Sherry's neighbors indicated that they either heard

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what sounded like a relatively loud, violent argument on Saturday morning,

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which would have been January two, at approximately eight am.

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Speaker 3: Neighbors who shared the walls with Sherry all heard the

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commotion during the early morning hours of January second, They

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hadn't seen anything, but they confirmed that they all heard

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Sherry fighting with someone, but it just sounded like a

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heated argument. Cherry's blue Nissan should have been parked in

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its regular spot outside the complex, but it was gone.

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As officers examined the spot where she usually parked. Another

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neighbor piped up, but.

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Speaker 5: There was also a neighbor that saw a man who

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met the description of Eric Christiansen kind of loitering around

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Sherry's vehicle. What was important about this neighbor having seen

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someone who met Christensen's description near Sherry's vehicle is by

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the time law enforcement got there on the fifth that

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car's gone. Christensen immediately became a person that law enforcement

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wanted to talk to.

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Speaker 3: Eric Christensen was Sherry's boyfriend. They had to find him,

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but it wouldn't be hard. Let's just say that the

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guy didn't exactly blend in an effort.

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Speaker 5: Eric Christensen was a big guy. He had to go

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about six two sixty three. He was probably about two twenty.

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He was balding and kept his hair cut very short,

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almost to the scalp. He had a long chin beard

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that he would typically braid. Would often wear kilts. He

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claimed some Scottish heritage. When you saw him, you knew

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who you were looking at.

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Speaker 3: Detectives soon got a call that Eric Christensen had been

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spotted at a hospital in Monroe. Monroe was about twenty

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miles from Sherry's apartment, but close to the guest house

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that Eric rented on a rural property in gold Bar.

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Detective Bets headed to the scene and found Eric outside

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the hospital, his hand freshly stitched up, wearing his signature

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mid calf Doc Martin's, and braided, go tee, what a look.

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Speaker 5: You know they were building their case, so they weren't

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there to arrest Christensen. But what they wanted to do

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is get him, you know, tie him to some sort

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of statement. Maybe he would admit to the crime, maybe

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he would give them information to leave them in a

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different direction. Betts had the presence of mind to essentially

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do Matt on the street type of interview, got his

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recorder out, asked Christian Sin, if he's willing to talk

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to law enforcement, you know that they're out looking for

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Sherry Harlan and Christianensen agreed.

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Speaker 2: Eric, I understand that you had a relationship with a

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woman within the last month. Can you give me her name, please,

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Sherry Ann Harlan, Okay? And how long have you known Sherry?

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Speaker 1: Since? Airpril of two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 3: Forty one year old Eric had met Sherry on a

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site called tagged, which is similar to just about every

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other dating website out there.

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Speaker 7: For in a relationship first, then we started living together.

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That when was that? That was in March of the

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same year. Both of us were actually living in our vehicles.

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Speaker 3: Eric and Sherry stayed with some friends in Everett for

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a while, but it didn't work out. They had two

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couples under one roof and a small apartment and we

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know where that goes. Nowhere good, very fast. So they

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found themselves back in Eric's car.

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Speaker 7: We stayed at my MAMZDA three two three, and we

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just parked from various places to places. And did the

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two of you ever get another place together? We finally

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did and that was thinking of August.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and where was that? I was in gold Bar?

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Speaker 3: Cherry and Eric started renting a small guesthouse in gold

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Bar on their friend's property. It was cramped, but they

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made the best of it. Plus, anything was better than

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living in a car.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about your relationship with Sherry during this period

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of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've been dating. We're a boyfriend girlfriend, pretty serious.

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Things did go astray? What is be serious to you? Well,

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we're pretty We were together.

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Speaker 7: Roughly i'd say twenty two hours of the day, really okay,

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until she got our job working at Jasey Penny's.

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Speaker 3: For a few months, Eric and Sherry spent every waking

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moment together getting by on his disability checks, but that

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was no longer sustainable. Unlike Eric, Sherry actually wanted to

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work and was thrilled to get a full time job

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at j. C. Penny. That's when things changed.

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Speaker 7: We kind of like grew apart, but we were still together.

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When round October I think it was.

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Speaker 1: Online okay, and telling me he said, there was no eventing.

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You guys just grew apart. That okay, But did you

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just continue to let thegether continued to be a couple.

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Speaker 7: And so I went to jail for my warrants that

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Speaker 5: When was that in November? I think it was November

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fourteenth of two thousand and nine. He was sentenced to

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do thirty days in jail for an unlawful possession of

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weapons charge in Stahomish County. So from November fourteenth till

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December eleventh of two thousand and nine, he had been

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in jail on that weapons charge.

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Speaker 2: And did the two of you communicate during the time

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that you were in jail? Nope, she didn't come busy

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you or anything like that.

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Speaker 7: She claimed she tried to, but I didn't put the

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way the Snowhowish County jail is you have to put

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in a visiting request right for man, which.

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Speaker 1: King County don't have to do that. Of course I

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had a stranger of that, and I had no idea.

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Did you ever try to call her? I couldn't get

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no a number?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So you got out of jail the first or

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second week of December, and then what happened?

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Speaker 7: I went back to Golbor and found out that she

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had her own apartment in Evert because I call her.

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Speaker 3: Eric admitted that Cherry moved out after he went to

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jail to serve time for unlawful possession of a firearm.

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He told the detective that Sherry had been kicked out

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for not helping out at the property or paying rent.

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But it was during this time that Sherry's new friend,

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Dan Young agreed to help her move.

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Speaker 5: Cherry had met Dan Young on a dating platform several

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months prior to her moving out of her habitation with Christensen.

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Speaker 3: Jerry had been transparent with Dan about her relationship with Eric,

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and when he went to jail, they saw it as

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a way for her to get away and get her

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own place.

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Speaker 5: Dan Young was an older guy. He was employed, He

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had money. He helped. When Sherry had told him that

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she wanted to move out of the home that she

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was sharing with Christensen, he agreed to pay them both

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the first in the last months rent at the apartment

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complex that she moved into, and was the co signer

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on the lease. He also purchased her a flat screen TV,

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a block of knives, and some cookie implements to kind

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of set Sherry up in the apartment.

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Speaker 7: There was actually like a brief spreach and was Breek,

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what where we'd actually broken up? And when I tried

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to salvage it, and she said, fine.

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Speaker 1: Now is this before or after Christmas? Before? Before Christmas? All right?

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So for a week he tried to establish the relationship.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was mad. I was really mad at her?

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And why were you mad because of her?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Your daddy, ya tell me about that. We haven't

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talked about that yet, Yeah, her sugar daddy.

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Speaker 7: Now, the way I believe, if you're with somebody, you're

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with somebody. If you have a sugar day, even though

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it's not sexual, it's still cheating on a person.

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Speaker 1: All right. That's the way I've been for all my

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life that I can remember.

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Speaker 2: Now, What made you think that she had a sugar daddy?

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Speaker 7: Because when we were in the apartment in Everett for

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that brief time, he had sent her four hundred and

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fifty bucks.

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Speaker 1: And how do you know that? Because she told me okay,

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and she spent most of the money on my car.

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Speaker 3: Dan was a friend of Sherry's. He helped her out

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by moving and setting her up in a new apartment.

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But you also lent her money. As much as Eric

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disapproved of this man in Sherry's life, he had no

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problem using the funds Dan gifted Sherry for himself, elf

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or his car. Then Dan bought Sherry a laptop, and

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one day, after an afternoon of love making, Eric just

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couldn't let the laptop go. Maybe it was the fact

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that Dan could buy her something nice like a computer

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that Eric simply couldn't afford. Anyway, it made him angry.

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Speaker 1: Because she was messing with it. And this was after.

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Speaker 7: We had intercourse. After we had intercourse. Yeah, and I

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was sitting there stooing.

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Speaker 8: About it because it's not me right, I'm not a Christian,

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I'm a wicked And then be like asking me to

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become one.

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Speaker 7: I'm one totally before Chevy's and to be asking me

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to love poors.

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Speaker 1: Right, not happening, right?

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Speaker 7: So I got up, I said, this was the last

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time we're having sex, got dressed.

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Speaker 1: She says, where are you going on? I said home.

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Speaker 5: Christian claim to be a member of the Wickan Church

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for want of a better term, and they went by

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the name of the Aquarium Tabernacle Temple, commonly referred to

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in the area as the tab.

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Speaker 3: Eric had been quote unquote serious Wickan for many years.

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In fact, it was his whole identity. Usually people that

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are really really stupid assume new identities from new things

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they discover and find kind of weird and cool and different.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: They want to be different because they're boring and dull,

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so they adopt things like, you know, witchcraft and nonsense.

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Maybe they start reading Satanic verses or something something edgy,

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you know, and then that becomes their whole personality, because

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what else is there anyway. Eric was one of these,

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and Sherry had also joined the church a few months prior,

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mostly because of Eric's influence.

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Speaker 5: He was pretty serious about it, but in talking to

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friends of his that were also part of the wicked church.

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It was also pretty apparent that, in addition to the

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belief system of WICCA, that Christensen was also going down

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a darker a darker side.

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Speaker 1: I did ask her, and what's going to happen? I

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walked out that door.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, she I wouldn't come back at all, and she

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did not want to lose me, so she made a

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little deal.

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Speaker 3: Eric was a talker, and when his pagan beliefs came up, something,

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something shifted. A fire blazed in his eyes, sending a

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chill down the detective spines. They needed to know more

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about this deal that he made with Sherry, but nothing

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could have prepared them for what came out of this

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wickens Mouth. So now Homish County detectives were trying to

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find out what happened to thirty five year old Sherry Harlan.

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She hadn't been seen in days and her apartment was

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a wreck. Police found ripped up carpet, bleached floors, blood spatter,

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pieces of human tissue on a glove. It was clear

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she'd been killed, but it was no trace of her

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remains whatsoever. The last person to see her alive was

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her boyfriend, Eric Christensen, a kilt wearing wicked with a

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bald head and a ten inch braided goatee couldn't have

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been him right anyway. When the detectives found Eric outside

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the hospital with a hand injury, they started asking him

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about Sherry. He was more than happy to talk about

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how their relationship had gone downhill after she started taking

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financial gifts from a friend called Dan Young. This this bastard,

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this bastard that had you know, all this money for

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stuff like laptops.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Eric just wasn't happy about it, and he told police

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that he had Sherry make a deal with him using

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some of his coveted wicked rituals.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about this ceremony. I mean, I'm not a

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wicked so I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: So enlighten me. Okay.

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Speaker 7: What it is you cast a circle and in that

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circle is pure purity, okay, to where you can do

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your ritual work, to where it's no U negative energy

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is coming in.

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Speaker 1: It's all positive energies. Right, So we put up a barrier, okay.

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And so I was when we do all our good stuff, Well,

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you go all your good stuff, okay.

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Speaker 7: So I went with her. We went to across the

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street to the walmart. So I grabbing because she didn't

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have none of the ritual tools none. So what are

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the ritual tools?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Ritual tools are an athomi, which is a ceremonial dagger

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which is only used for ceremony.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll bite.

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Speaker 1: This is new to me, so I'm educating me. She

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didn't have a wand which we use. We use a

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wants to cast a circle.

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Speaker 7: She didn't have no incense, no, no chalice, no instance burner,

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no sea salt, no bowl of any kind.

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Speaker 1: Where do you get this stuff? There's actually a store

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in every mall this sells all of it. Oh really? Yeah? Okay,

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and right now I can't think of the name down.

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Speaker 7: By Seers on the right hand side across the borders

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Magical Gardens.

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Speaker 3: That it's hard to take a ritual seriously when it

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involves buying wands at a store next to Sears Magical Gardens.

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Speaker 1: We went there.

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Speaker 7: Then we went over with the dollar store to grab

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a few more items. This is cheaper and a male

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and female figure which represents the god and the goddess.

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Speaker 9: Okay, and we grabbed the five channels of different colors.

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You have grain, which is represents the birth on the earth,

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yellow as air red as fire and then blew as water.

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And then we had one more which is white, which

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is a spirit.

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Speaker 10: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I set up the home, the alter and all.

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Where did all this take place in her apartments? Okay?

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And you remember what did this was? For some reason?

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I think it's the eighteen dot all. Okay, So is

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this the.

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Speaker 2: Same day that you found the computer and all that stuff?

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So basically you find a computer.

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Speaker 1: We talked and talked we did.

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Speaker 10: Was it a conversation where she was trying to convince

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you to not leave? And that's why you guys made

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this pact.

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Speaker 3: They returned to the apartment and Eric set up his

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ritual space. But there was one problem. They needed a

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church witness to bind the ceremony and make it real

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that damn fine print.

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Speaker 7: I called up my friend Ryan and out in a

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ritual you do not have any electronic devices whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: None. So because of it was just being him, her

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high called him up to be a witness for it.

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And then who is this he called? Again? His name

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was Ryan? Ryan was Ryan's name? I don't know. It

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starts with the G, starts with a G. Yes, okay, And.

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Speaker 7: So I asked him to participate and the term.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so Ryan participated via the telephone, the other telephone.

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But what he did was he casting his own circle.

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Speaker 7: Okay, he was all right, And I cast him the

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one here, and then I conjured up the watchtowers to

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watch over it so it won't no negative forces come

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into it.

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Speaker 1: Right, Basically, the watchdogs and.

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Speaker 7: The elements were the ones to witness it, and I

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called upon the Lord and lady I called.

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Speaker 1: The names I actually used was the Danu and the.

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Speaker 3: Dagda, holding his wand in one hand and a dagger

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in the other. Eric stood outside the invisible circle he

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had just cast in their living room, or at least

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he pretended to, because it was not a real circle.

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He just invented it anyway. Sherry waited quietly beside him

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and closed her eyes. Eric's friend was on speakerphone as

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Eric looked up to the ceiling and began summoning his gods. Ooh,

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we're going to have some company today, but out the

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good China, I guess. As this was happening, the incense burned,

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clouding the apartment with a musky thick smoke, potentially masking

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some of the body odor. I would imagine Eric was

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in a trance as he worked his magic ritual. Then

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he turned to Sherry and pointed the wand at her.

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Speaker 1: And then I haven't. I asked her, why are you here?

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She told me that she was there because she wanted

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to be there. She wanted to say no to sugar Daddy. Okay.

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And I also asked her who does she want? She says, she.

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Speaker 7: Wanted me, And then I took I had a pacific,

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a pacific oil made for this, and I grabbed what

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her zodiac element is, which air all right, instance, which

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was powdered.

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Speaker 1: I put it in there and mixed it with you oil.

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Speaker 7: And what she had to do was she had to

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confess what she was doing three times, okay, and she

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had to prick her own blood her finger. She kidnaps

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you too, so I had to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And so she put three drops of her own blood

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in this in this mixed year, yes, and.

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Speaker 1: Mix it off up and it's got burnt. Okay.

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Speaker 7: Now, So what does that signify when you do that? Yeah,

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signifies that you're totally willing to do that. You're giving

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your own life essence.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay to do this.

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Speaker 3: I love the cops very banal, very ordinary. Oh okay,

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the way it offsets the absurdity of what this guy's saying. Anyway,

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after the blood Oh ritual was complete, Eric was satisfied

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Cherry had admitted her transgression and committed her own life

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essence to him.

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Speaker 1: So what was the thing that she contested that there

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would be no more sugar? Daddy was working?

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Speaker 3: Eric explained that things went well for a while, even

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though he found it strange that they were no longer

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living together. Christmas came and went, and then Eric found

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a message from Dan in Sherry's phone.

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Speaker 1: Talking about my religion on beliefs.

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Speaker 7: I get into like an, I guess in a loracal mode,

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and so I told her what does it mean by

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no sugar day? She explained, okay, no sing, no uh,

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no money. I said, I also use no communication.

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Speaker 3: Eric said. They talked it out. He let that one slide.

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Maybe she didn't get it. They're reconciled, but spent New

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Year's Eve apart because Sherry had to work. The next day,

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Eric picked her up from J. C. Penny. They had

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a nice evening together. Then the next morning, when Sherry

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went to have a shower, Eric took her phone and

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started snooping. That's when he saw that Sherry had still

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been talking to Dan. Oh man, what are the other

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guys on the subreddic going to think?

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Speaker 1: I said, you broke your oath? What do you mean?

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What do you mean grabbed the phone? You broke your oath.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're holding your hand up like you're holding

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the phone in front of her face.

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Speaker 1: I had the phone into my hand. Okay, you broke

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your oath, showing it to a right in her face.

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You broke the oath.

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Speaker 7: Smash they throw the fist, threw the phone off the piss.

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Speaker 1: Where did the phone land on the floor afterwards? Okay?

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Did it hit a wall? Or yes? It did and

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it broke.

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Speaker 3: Eric threw a tantrum. He threw Sherry's phone across the

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room and started berating her.

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Speaker 7: And sold, you broke your blood off because that's what

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it was, because she used her own blood.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much called her every name of the book. You

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broke your oath. You're blilty. We are done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you're basically you're furious.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm not bad. I could have been biting nails bad.

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Speaker 7: So here behind man, But I can I know how

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to control my anger, all right, if it goes a

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little too far, I know exactly what my potentials are.

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Speaker 2: And now she's broken her oath, So what does that mean.

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Speaker 7: That means that she is no good. Her blood is garbage,

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all right. Her blood buys my moldy sewish water.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 7: And in the ancient texts ways she had become a warlock.

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Speaker 3: She had become a warlock. Her blood was garbage. But

474
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Eric said that he had not seen her since he

475
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,960
left that day. They had allowed fight. She slammed the

476
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,559
door and he left. As for the cuts on his hand,

477
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,519
Eric said that on his way back to gold Bar,

478
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:35,680
he was jumped by quote three Mexican guys unquote.

479
00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: How did you fight the three of them? Off with?

480
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,319
Speaker 3: After Eric's interview, the police thanked him for his time,

481
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,039
and he returned home, seemingly unbothered by the conversation. Then

482
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,480
detectives immediately called the prosecutor's office to expedite a search

483
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,359
warrant for Eric's house.

484
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,759
Speaker 5: Then I became involved. At that point we came to

485
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:01,359
the determination that we had probable cause both for a

486
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,440
search warrant of Christensen's home and for an arrest warrant

487
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,519
for Christensen.

488
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: While police searched Eric's guest house for evidence, the interview,

489
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,960
as bizarre as it was, remained purely circumstantial. They needed more.

490
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Then came a breakthrough that set everything in motion. They

491
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,440
found Sherry's car.

492
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: Sherry's car was located at approximately two pm later on

493
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,279
the same day that the search warrant was served on

494
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:37,519
Christensen's home, so the afternoon of January seventh. It was

495
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,759
found off of a place called Riader Road, and Rider

496
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,279
Road is a two lane road that leads off of

497
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:52,359
Highway to in the east part of Snohomish County. It

498
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,079
relatively quickly gets out into the woods and you're out

499
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,240
in the middle of nowhere before you know it.

500
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Speaker 3: Down Rider Road. The detectives descended upon Sherry's Nissan in

501
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:04,640
a desolate pit.

502
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: And it's an old gravel pit that young kids will

503
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,160
go to party at, or people will do target shooting at,

504
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,480
you know, things of that nature. It was apparent from

505
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,640
the you know, the smell and the act of smoke

506
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,039
that was still coming out of it that it hadn't

507
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:19,839
been there long.

508
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,119
Speaker 3: Cherry's Nissan was a husk of a car. It had

509
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,559
been burned to a crisp just the bare metal bones

510
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:33,039
of the car remained as smoke swirled all around. Then

511
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,240
they saw something unforgettable.

512
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Speaker 5: There appeared to be a human skull on the front seat.

513
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 3: There it was the first piece of sherry or skull,

514
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:50,119
just sitting there like a message from whoever had done this.

515
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,799
Speaker 5: What was interesting when law enforcement ultimately went into the vehicle,

516
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:01,079
in the trunk of that vehicle, they found a stack

517
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,279
of cut up linoleum that appeared to be of the

518
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,440
same type of linoleum that was cut out of the

519
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,599
kitchen floor in Sherry's apartment. They also found a block

520
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,840
of knives that was consistent with the type of block

521
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,239
of knives that had been in Sherry's apartment, And they

522
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,280
found a big butcher knife in the passenger compartment of

523
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400
the vehicle where the tip had been broken off it.

524
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:32,639
Speaker 3: The brutality of Sherry's death was becoming a parent. This

525
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,320
had been a violent, savage murder.

526
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 5: The human skull that was located on the front seat

527
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,000
was ultimately taken by this county medical examiner and he

528
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,199
x rayed that and when x raying the skull, discovered

529
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,199
a knife tip in the skull, So it all kind

530
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,400
of matched up with The weapon that had been used,

531
00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,320
at least to stab her in the head was a

532
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719
knife from the knife block that had been on her

533
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,480
kitchen counter.

534
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,119
Speaker 3: It was clear that Sherry had been killed with the

535
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:10,199
knives Dan had gifted her. All signs pointed to Eric,

536
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,760
but there was no physical evidence linking him to the crime,

537
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:20,360
no confession, no proof. Detectives were left questioning was Eric

538
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:27,039
the killer or was someone else involved? Then an unexpected

539
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:32,400
phone call would below the investigation wide open. A man

540
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,960
named Ryan Guessm called this Snohomish County Sheriff's office and

541
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000
said he needed to talk to someone. Ryan was one

542
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,480
of Eric's only friends and a member of the same

543
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:47,239
Wiccan church that Sherry and Eric belonged to. He was

544
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,880
the one Eric had called on the phone to witness

545
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,519
the blood oath. Ryan said that a few days after

546
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:57,440
the oath, Eric called him asking for help.

547
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 11: He told him that he lost his keys in the car.

548
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:05,840
I said, okay, and he asked me, do you have

549
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,519
anything else?

550
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 10: Get the lock open with? Did he say what car? No? Okay,

551
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,400
He just said do you say where it was? That's

552
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,519
been a parking ride? Okay? So did you Were you

553
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:18,840
able to help him with something.

554
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 11: I was actually able to go home and get a

555
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,519
coat of hair.

556
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 5: So Gusby showed up to help him get into the vehicle.

557
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 12: Uh.

558
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 5: And when he arrived, Christensen was standing outside of Sherry's

559
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,199
car and he you know, he'd he'd lock the keys inside.

560
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 10: I went home. He called me on my cel phone

561
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,039
and said he'd got it open with his Leatherman, Oh, okay,

562
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,119
I don't know why he couldn't do that in the

563
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,360
first place. Yeah, I don't know, that's okay.

564
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:50,559
Speaker 1: Mm.

565
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 10: What happened after that? Then?

566
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 11: As soon as we were he told me he started

567
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,679
open with the leather and he said.

568
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,119
Speaker 10: I need your help, okay, and what did you? And

569
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:11,400
I said with what? And He's like thread his body?

570
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:14,079
I'm like what body?

571
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 11: At that point I was like, I'm shocked, right, because

572
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,960
I didn't I didn't rest right.

573
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,159
Speaker 10: Did you ask him what? What body? What?

574
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: What?

575
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 10: What was his repodit to that purse? Did he say

576
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,119
hers or did he say any? Said hers? He killed him?

577
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,760
When when he asked me for my help, I wasn't.

578
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,760
I was so distraught. I wasn't thinking clearly. So I

579
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,320
said yes.

580
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: And as they started talking with him, initially, though it

581
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:52,760
became pretty apparent that Ryan had some criminal liability based

582
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,079
upon his actions after the murder in helping Christensen. We

583
00:37:57,119 --> 00:38:01,280
needed to get Ryan legal counsel to make sure that

584
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,719
we were doing this correctly.

585
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: Craig, the detectives, Ryan and his lawyer sat down as

586
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,599
Ryan gave his proffers statement, his account of what happened

587
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,880
to Sherry. As the only witness to the aftermath, his

588
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,599
story would be crucial at trial.

589
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 10: He picked people. We went to the parking ride Monroe, okay,

590
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:24,400
and what was there? Her car?

591
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 6: Her car?

592
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 10: And then then from there, where'd you go?

593
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: From there?

594
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 10: We took off, went up to reader in what car hers?

595
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,360
And who drove me? And where was Eric?

596
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: Seated in the passenger seat in the front, Ryan drove

597
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:47,119
while Eric directed him. Inside the trunk was Sherry. Eric

598
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:50,199
had cut her body up into pieces and stuffed her

599
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,280
bloody limbs into garbage bags.

600
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 11: He took the parts out of the trunk into the

601
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,400
woods with a shovel, okay, and buried the parts and

602
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,880
brought the banks back to the car.

603
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 10: Did you go with him into.

604
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: Do you know where you stop?

605
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: Roughly, Ryan acted as a chauffeur around what did parts

606
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,360
of the county Eric would make him stop, then get

607
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,199
out with another body part and his shovel.

608
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 10: Does he get back in the car at that point?

609
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,079
And what does he say to the next spot? Okay?

610
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:35,280
When did he tell you about the torso? After he

611
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,480
took it out of the trunk? What did he say?

612
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,360
He is a here's part of the torso. Okay? What

613
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,239
were you?

614
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 11: How did you I didn't know what to think?

615
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:51,039
Speaker 12: Okay, So did you see what he did with the

616
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:51,679
plastic bag?

617
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,199
Speaker 10: Was put it in the trunk? Put it back in

618
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:56,360
the trunk? Okay? What was the next spot? Then?

619
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,679
Speaker 3: Ryan detailed every spot they went to there that afternoon,

620
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,960
repeating the same awful process of hiding Sherry's remains. As

621
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,000
Eric showed them off like trophies.

622
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:16,519
Speaker 10: He took out another bag. Okay, and this time I

623
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:18,159
was standing.

624
00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:25,519
Speaker 11: On the driver's door, and he pulled that, pulled it

625
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,079
out of pulled body part out of the bag.

626
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 10: Okay, could you recognize it? It was a thigh sigh Okay,

627
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,880
he chucked it over with the guardrail. It was the

628
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
upper leg without the meat, without the meat.

629
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Speaker 3: As the process went on, Eric became less secretive and

630
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,239
started showing Ryan the parts in the bags. After Eric

631
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,679
threw Sherry's thigh over the guardrail. A car drove by.

632
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 10: Now you you mentioned yesterday that somebody drove VIOLI. You

633
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,199
guys were there, Yeah, my mom? Okay, did you your mom? Yes?

634
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,199
Speaker 1: Wow?

635
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:12,559
Speaker 10: Was that planned? No? How spooky said, I don't know, so,

636
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,840
so I had to cover up. I don't know why

637
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,440
I did it. All I said was he's always going

638
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,199
in the bathroom when I was in the view.

639
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 12: What made you not say, hey mom, take me home,

640
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:25,960
or hey mom, get me out of here.

641
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 10: I don't know. Did you have any concerns at all,

642
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:38,559
or any reasons why you felt that you shouldn't do that? Not? Really,

643
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:44,760
it was again not thinking. Could so your mom did?

644
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,400
How long did your mom's day? Five minutes?

645
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 3: Small town problems?

646
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: Huh?

647
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: Ryan's own mother drove by as the two scattered around

648
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Sherry's body, and Ryan's mom stayed for five whole minutes.

649
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,320
Ryan stood there, swallowing his terror as he made up

650
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,440
excuses for his mom and prayed she would leave before

651
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,480
Eric came back with another bloody trash bag. When she

652
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:14,800
was gone, they continued driving around for the next few hours,

653
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,880
digging small graves for Sherry's bloody parts.

654
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 10: What was his demeanor like, did he act like he

655
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,199
was sad about this or did he act like he

656
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,079
was bothered by it or anything he was acting like

657
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,039
it was? I just really don't know what to think.

658
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,320
I don't know how to explain it. Was he acting angry?

659
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,039
Was he acting happy? Was he asking? You know, different

660
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:41,679
people between happy and angry? Really? Okay, so he wasn't

661
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,480
acting sad about her? Respondent?

662
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: No, According to Ryan, Eric did not seem upset. He

663
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,800
toggled between elated and frustrated, probably from having to dig

664
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,679
the wet, hard dirt. He clearly wasn't saddened to have

665
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,400
law Sherry. After Eric had had enough for that day,

666
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,639
he took Ryan back home and said he'd pick him

667
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,719
up again tomorrow. The next day, they got back in

668
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,000
the car with the remainder of the body and continued

669
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,880
their sick task. By this time, Eric started talking more

670
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,599
and more about what happened to Sherry and how she died.

671
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 12: Is there anything else that he told you, Ryan, about

672
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,199
what happened in that apartment or what he did that

673
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,079
you can help us with.

674
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,119
Speaker 10: I really don't know much about it about.

675
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 12: The apartment, okay, But I mean, did he share any

676
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,360
other information with you. He told you that why he

677
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,159
did it the let oath. Yeah, can tell me really

678
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:49,599
how we killed her? Only she just said was part

679
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,559
of it? Was part of her was in the car.

680
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:55,639
Speaker 10: We talked a little bit yesterday and you mentioned to

681
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,360
me that he used that he was using a knife,

682
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,280
that he had used it. Yeah, I'm not sure what

683
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,320
kind of knife. Okay, h how did you know this then?

684
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:11,000
About the knife? I'm sorry, I'm troubled. It's okay. She

685
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,559
actually did tell me Hughes the knife, but he didn't

686
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:19,239
specify what. He didn't tell me what kind of knife.

687
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 3: After every single piece of sherry had been dispersed except

688
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:31,000
for her head, Ryan told Eric he was done, he'd

689
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:31,519
had enough.

690
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,559
Speaker 10: You didn't go to where he put the car around,

691
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,079
so you told him you're on your own. I told him,

692
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,840
you're on your own. I've done.

693
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

694
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 10: Where was his reaction to that?

695
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 12: Was like, okay, alright, and do you know what happened

696
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,440
with the car?

697
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 10: And he goes, I'll have to find a spot to torture. Okay.

698
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,400
Do you know what body parts were left? If any?

699
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,519
Probably an arm and a head. Kay? Why do you

700
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:05,199
how do you know that? Cause if we only rid

701
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,599
of one arm, okay? Oh that one or one kill off? Okay?

702
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 11: And those were the only two left, okay, So there

703
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:14,920
was two two left.

704
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,639
Speaker 10: Two body parts left, a head and an arm. Did

705
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:18,360
you see them?

706
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:18,679
Speaker 1: No?

707
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 10: Do you know how he got the car there? He

708
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,079
drove it. And do you know how he got out

709
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:28,639
of there? He walked home? And how do you know this?

710
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 11: Because he called me afterwards after it was torched.

711
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 10: Okay, inside he is on his way home, he's walking, Okay.

712
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,760
Did he tell you what he did?

713
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:41,519
Speaker 11: He told me he doused the car and lighter fluid, kay,

714
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:44,480
and set on fire.

715
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 10: Did he did he indicate why he put the head

716
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,440
in the front seat? No? Can you think of why

717
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:53,079
he would do that?

718
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 13: Is there any significance to that particular action by him?

719
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
I don't know, cause we have all these other body

720
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,119
parts that are buried or thrown off a bancouts or whatever,

721
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:10,760
not easily found maybe by animals, was certainly not people. Yeah,

722
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,480
and then we find a torched car h with a head.

723
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,159
If you had to speculate, why did Eric do that?

724
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,519
Speaker 10: I don't know why. There's no religious reason, nothing like that.

725
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,559
Speaker 3: Ryan then took the police to every place where he'd

726
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:38,039
watched Eric dig a grave for Sherry. They collected every

727
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,800
piece of her until they finally had a whole woman again.

728
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,880
But Ryan's edgy demeanor cast a shadow of doubt. Had

729
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,039
he really just been an observer in all of this?

730
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:57,400
The police still had to tie the physical evidence back

731
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,079
to Eric. The last place to investigate was his own property,

732
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:36,480
and they hoped he'd leave something bloody behind. What had

733
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:40,559
started as a welfare check on Sherry Harlan had quickly

734
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:46,320
become a murder investigation. Detectives were suspicious of her boyfriend,

735
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,800
Eric Christensen, who had admitted to getting into a fight

736
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,519
with Sherry after she broke a blood oath during a

737
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,800
wicked ritual. Now his friend and fellow Wickan Ryan guess Me,

738
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,880
had admitted that he helped Eric scatter shehrys severed body parts

739
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:06,079
around the county.

740
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 5: Gusmy didn't have any real criminal history. He wasn't somebody

741
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,639
that we dealt with, you know, either law enforcement or

742
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,519
the prosecutor's office. We knew he was telling the truth

743
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,079
because he was actually able, ultimately to lead law enforcement

744
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,760
to the various body parts. But this is not a

745
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,119
guy with history. But he certainly had a criminal exposure

746
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,679
for rendering criminal assistance, you know, after the fact, by

747
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,119
helping dispose of the body. So to make sure that

748
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:39,519
we got his testimony for trial, we ultimately offered him

749
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,920
immunity for truthful testimony at trial.

750
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: The police now had Eric in custody and at his home,

751
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,360
their search warrant turned up even more pieces of incriminating evidence.

752
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:58,159
Speaker 5: Inside of Christensen's home, they found a pair of blue

753
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:03,920
jeans that had fairly extensive blood spatter on it. They

754
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,039
found a pair of tennis shoes that had apparent blood

755
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:12,159
spatter on it. But what was mostly interesting to law

756
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,440
enforcement about these shoes is that the tread on the

757
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,079
bottom of the shoes matched the bloody footprint that was

758
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:22,159
found at Sherry's apartment.

759
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,199
Speaker 3: On top of all the blood soaked items in Eric's

760
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,000
dingy guesthouse, they also searched as car.

761
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: And what they found inside the vehicle was a number

762
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,920
of blood transfer stains on various parts of the car,

763
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,800
then a couple of rings that had been put in

764
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,519
like the ashtray, and on the interior of the rings

765
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,119
there appeared to be blood inside of those Also, they

766
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:53,679
also located what appeared to be essentially a shopping list

767
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:00,920
for cleaning items garbage bags, bleach mop gloves, that nature.

768
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:04,320
And then he also found a number of receipts from

769
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,320
various stores.

770
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: Eric left evidence everywhere, a shocking amount for someone so calculating.

771
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,400
He caught linoleum out of the floor, yet left his

772
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,440
cleanup list in his car. Maybe Eric thought he had

773
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,679
more time, Maybe he was just a little clumsy. I

774
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,760
don't think he ever anticipated that Ryan would turn on

775
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,760
him the way that he did. But I've found late

776
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,440
in life that all those sayings we learned as a

777
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,719
kid have a lot of truth and a lot of

778
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,880
learnings to be derived from, you know, sayings like there

779
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,840
is no honor amongst thieves or murderers.

780
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,159
Speaker 5: It's difficult to get inside of Eric Christensen's brain, but

781
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,199
I have to believe that a lot of it was

782
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,599
that even for a guy like that, doing what he

783
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:59,960
ultimately did to the body had to be pretty shit.

784
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,360
That what had occurred was so disturbing to even him

785
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,400
that it kept him from being meticulous in his cleanup.

786
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,920
Or he just didn't care, or he thought he had

787
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,280
talked his way out of it the previous day. I

788
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
don't know, but I was just glad that it was

789
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,760
there when the police showed up.

790
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,559
Speaker 3: Like all criminals facing trial in Washington, Eric was granted

791
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,239
the right to a speedy trial in Washington. Speedy means

792
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,679
sixty days. Not sure why they've adopted that definition, but

793
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,159
it is what it is. Craig and his team had

794
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,559
a solid theory of exactly what had happened to Sherry

795
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,199
and enough physical evidence to nail Eric.

796
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,039
Speaker 5: So our theory of the case that was, you know,

797
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:49,719
born out I think pretty pretty well by the you know,

798
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,599
the hard evidence that we were able to demonstrate a

799
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:58,320
trial was that Christensen was already very sensitive about the

800
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,800
subject of Dan young daddy. This was a guy that worked,

801
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,679
that had money and wasn't shy about spending it on Sherry.

802
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,920
Harlan Christensen claimed a shoulder and injury and had been

803
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,320
on disability for months. It didn't work.

804
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:18,639
Speaker 3: Eric was clearly a fucking loser in case you haven't

805
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:22,760
figured that out yet. He had no income and barely

806
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,599
a home. He was also a convicted felon. He was

807
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:30,360
a wicked Do I have to say more? Anyway? In

808
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,239
nineteen ninety he was convicted of statutory rape and forgery

809
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,320
and Oregon he served his prison time, and he moved

810
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,760
up to Seattle. He was supposed to be a registered

811
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,679
sex offender in Washington, which he was not, probably because

812
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,400
a lot of those states over on the West Coast,

813
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,679
they they just don't give a shit about crime, and

814
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,719
especially crimes involving sex offenders for some reason. Not sure

815
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,880
why that is anyway. In nineteen ninety four, he tried

816
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,280
to kill his ex girlfriend by shooting her and her

817
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,119
boyfriend with a rifle. This is a guy that should

818
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,280
have never been out on the streets after that. But hey,

819
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,599
you don't want me to talk about politics, so I

820
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:15,639
guess I won't.

821
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 5: He missed. But the police, who just happened to be

822
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
around the corner when he was opening fire on the

823
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,840
two caught him relatively shortly after he took the shots,

824
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,239
and he said, you know something to the effect of

825
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,320
where I come from, when a woman cheats on you,

826
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,320
you shoot them, and the only reason they're alive is

827
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,119
because my front sights are off. He ended up doing

828
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,880
twelve years on two counts of assault.

829
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,119
Speaker 1: One.

830
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 3: It was in the Washington prison that Eric discovered the

831
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:56,639
Wiccan religion and the Aquarian Tabernacle church. Why is it Aquarian?

832
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,480
I don't know, go down that rabbit hole yourself if

833
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,880
you want to leave me out of it anyway. Behind bars,

834
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,360
he immersed himself in pagan beliefs, becoming obsessed as easily

835
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,480
obsessed people do. After his release, he met Sherry on

836
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:17,840
that app called tagged, which nobody's ever heard about, and

837
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:20,280
just eleven months later he would kill her.

838
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 5: The morning of January first, twenty ten, Sherry had been

839
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,000
complaining about his stomach ache, and Christensen left and went

840
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:34,840
to the Walmart, which is just up the road from

841
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,119
the apartment, to buyers some stuff for her stomach. While

842
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:45,519
Christensen had been gone, Sherry and Dan Young had been

843
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:50,559
texting back and forth. One of the last text messages

844
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:54,880
from Sherry had been her complaining about her her stomach ache,

845
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,960
and the very last text that Dan Young had said

846
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,079
back to sharing the last text that she'd ever received,

847
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,719
was a text that said, substantially words to the effect

848
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,400
that that's what being with two guys will do to you.

849
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,880
It'll give you a bad tummy. Lol. So Christensen gets

850
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,119
back from Walmart, Sherry's in the shower, and being a jealous,

851
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:24,320
possessive guy like he is, he goes through her phone

852
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,840
and he sees that text string, particularly this last one

853
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,119
where it appears that you, Sherry and Dan are kind

854
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:35,519
of a lot laughing at him being a cuckold, and

855
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:37,159
he decided to kill her.

856
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: Craig believed that Eric attacked Sherry as soon as she

857
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,599
got out of the bathroom. He grabbed a butcher knife

858
00:55:44,599 --> 00:55:48,039
from the kitchen and went into a white hot rage.

859
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 5: Cause of death was difficult for the medical examiner to

860
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,119
determine because of the state of the body. However, he

861
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:01,360
was able to find on the torso three stab wounds

862
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,480
in her back, two of which would have been fatal

863
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,480
in of themselves if they had occurred while she was alive,

864
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,400
and there was also the stab wound to her head

865
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,280
that left the knife tip embedded in her skull.

866
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 3: When Eric showed up a trial, he had finally shaved

867
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,440
his signature ten inch goatee and put on a nice suit.

868
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,440
You know, put on a nice suit every now and then.

869
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:27,079
Speaker 4: It's nice.

870
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: It's good for you, it's good for your health. Eric

871
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,639
was unrecognizable. He was still evil, of course, all that

872
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,039
evil bubbling below the surface, but at least he had

873
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:38,000
the proper attire.

874
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 5: For the most part, Christiansen was pretty stoic, But there

875
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,360
were a couple of times, particularly when we were talking

876
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,119
about the text string from Sherry's phone when Dan Young

877
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:58,599
was testifying about his relationship with Sherry, where he was

878
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,559
obviously angered by what he was hearing.

879
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: Cherry's friends and family were all there. She had a

880
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:10,360
lot of mourners. Vigils had been held in her honor,

881
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,400
and the whole community mourned for this kind hearted girl

882
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,000
with a funny laugh and curly hair. Because of that,

883
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:23,159
Craig was very careful when selecting pictures of the crime scene.

884
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,679
There were over one thousand graphic images of Sherry's body parts,

885
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:33,320
her skull, and the murder scene. Craig managed to narrow

886
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,760
it down to an essential one hundred images to spare

887
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,159
her family and the jurors.

888
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 5: I felt bad for the jurors. The law enforcement of

889
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,159
myself deal with you know, ugly gnarly stuff all the time,

890
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,719
and this was bad for us. I can't imagine what

891
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:58,159
your typical normal citizen was feeling like when they came in,

892
00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,760
you know, to the courthouse, got selected for this jury,

893
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,239
and then sat for sixteen days watching just just this

894
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,840
parade of horrible you know that we spun out for

895
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,039
him and then you know, thanks for your service. You know,

896
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:15,039
we'll see you later, you know, as they head out

897
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,000
the door that, like I said, there are images from

898
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,639
this thing that I'll never get out of my head.

899
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,079
I can only imagine, you know, some of the jurors

900
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,400
or might have a similar, similar issues.

901
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,239
Speaker 3: It was a tense sixteen days in that courtroom, but

902
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,039
in the end the jury came back with a guilty verdict.

903
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:39,239
Eric would spend almost fifty years behind bars, which is

904
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,840
probably where he should have been for his entire useless life.

905
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:46,519
One day, we'll have an AI that will tell us

906
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,119
if you're predisposed to become an Eric, and we can

907
00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:53,119
just throw you in there from birth. Won't that be great?

908
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,559
Speaker 5: The verdict had been announced. When the jail staff were

909
00:58:56,639 --> 00:58:59,920
leading him back to the holding cell, he kind of

910
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:03,440
cackled in a very loud fashion. It was kind of

911
00:59:03,719 --> 00:59:06,880
kind of spooky. I'm not sure whether it was something

912
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,320
that he already felt, or it was just trying to

913
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,159
be macho or and you know, kind of play the part.

914
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,320
But yeah, he was laughing as he was walked out

915
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,159
of the courtroom.

916
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: Anyway, Eric, this hateable character that we've spent an hour

917
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,239
telling you about it was a deadbeat, if you haven't

918
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:27,559
figured that out by now, a dead beat cloaking himself

919
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,760
in wicked beliefs to project a false sense of power,

920
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,159
a sense of power that he probably felt he didn't

921
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:41,119
have really, because he's just a powerless dork, you know,

922
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,760
kind of like most of us. Some people can't handle

923
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:49,440
the reality that were mostly just powerless dorks, so they

924
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:53,599
come up with these stupid ideas. Eric's pagan identity and

925
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,920
spirituality weren't expressions of faith whatsoever. They were just ways

926
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,960
for him to pique cock, to pretend to be something

927
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,440
he isn't. Now Sherry started to pull away, he used

928
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,719
their shared religion, twisting its teachings to tighten his grip

929
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:16,000
on her. Beneath his facade, there was nothing real to

930
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,000
begin with, just a sad, pathetic, useless bag of blood

931
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:27,239
and guts that's just continuously performing to build up their

932
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,599
own ego because they know they know deep down inside

933
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,239
how useless they actually are. When Cherry finally found her independence,

934
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,239
Eric snapped his ego couldn't handle it. He butchered her,

935
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,800
and then he attempted to get rid of her in

936
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,039
the most vile way possible. As for Ryan, the one

937
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:53,639
who ratted out Eric, well, Ryan wasn't so innocent after all.

938
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:57,800
Though he traded immunity for his testimony. He was later

939
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,760
convicted of child molestation and twenty nineteen. Are you surprised?

940
01:01:03,679 --> 01:01:08,119
In twenty twenty four, he petitioned the Snowhemish County Courts

941
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:11,280
to change his last name to Creed so that no

942
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:17,360
one will know that Ryan Creed from Washington is a

943
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,320
child molester. Ryan Creed, by the way, is spelled r

944
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:26,800
y A n c r ee D in case you're

945
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,039
doing a search. Sherry Harlan led a simple life. She

946
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:34,320
had her own troubles, but kept to herself and tried

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her best to make ends meet. She was a lost

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woman who got mixed up with a very very deranged man.

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Sherry was Eric's final victim, but her death is a

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such a thing as monsters, and they look exactly like

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Eric Christensen. All right, that's gonna do it for another one.

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