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Speaker 4: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Paranormal Portal podcast I'm
your host, Brent Thomas, and I'm absolutely thrilled you're here.
Thank you so much for tuning in and checking out
the Paranormal Portal podcasts. A special thank you to Revolver
Podcast for making this all possible. Today, we've got a
special show line up for you. I am joined by
a wonderful friend of the Portal for a long time now.
He is a spiritual advisor, thalmattergist and uh A protector
and spiritual eradicator for problematic hauntings and such. And he's
been on the podcast before and i'd like you to
welcome mister Sean Gonzalez to the show. Welcome Sean, thanks.
Speaker 6: For coming to you, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Hi, welcome back. Now. I know you've been quite busy
doing all all the things that you do. You and
I were just talking a little bit agoing and your
your plate is really full. There's a lot going on. Huh. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It seems that I'm attracting people who are in need
of this kind of thing, and it seems that it's
mostly gifted folks. It's not alway, and I hate using
that term. I don't I don't want to say responsibility,
but that's the best term I've got for right now.
We'll work on it later, but I'm helping finding a
lot of folks who or in need and ending up
being a counselor oftentimes more than anything else, especially after
the issue has passed.
Speaker 4: Wow. Now, would you say that that spiritual activity is
on an upswing? Is there more of it going on
now than before, or what do you identify as maybe
some of the causation to this increase in disruption spiritual
disruption going on?
Speaker 6: Well, well, it's interesting that people have been asking me
this over the last several months. I think it's crept
into people's consciousness a lot. And the only thing that
I could tell you is that at the end of
the Mayan calendar in twenty twelve, which was the end
of the fifth World, in the beginning of the sixth,
because's got to remember that nothing ends without something beginning
the way things are now, had a huge upsearch. In fact,
in twenty twelve, I just moved up to the high
Desert and Lancaster and right around the end of the calendar,
I was just dizzied and it knocked me out. I
fell to the ground. But I remember the last thing
I said was I don't feel so good. I'm dizzy,
and then hitting the ground and the only thing I
could say is I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And
apparently a lot of people found that as well that
were previously had abilities as well. And then all of
a sudden, people who either had either nascent or easily
ignored abilities, they suddenly went from being ignorable to you
can't quell it anymore, you can't push it down, and
things were starting to come out of the woodwork, or
things that they had never seen before that were there
were suddenly that you just couldn't put them back in
the box. And that's my only guess. That's all I
can tell you, because before that everything seemed relatively placid
and quiescent. You had to go looking for trouble to
find it. Now now things just come following you or
you you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And I think part of it is because we have
such a better communication system before than we had. The
Internet has really made everything far more in your face,
and cameras being on every phone means that the whole
world can be recorded at any moment, but it's far
more prevalent than ever.
Speaker 4: Right it seems to be now. And I've been saying
for a long time that, and I think i've been
The first time I think I mentioned it on the
show was in twenty seventeen. I said, I don't know
what's going on, but I can feel this energy building
all around us, and I feel like we're in a
state of transition and metamorphosis. And it seems as if
we've kind of begun to realize that metamorphosis now in
these manifestations, and not only these manifestations, but several others.
It's just there seems to be a shift in consciousness,
there seems to be a shift in energy, and I
think you can see that played out in the political
spectrum more clearly than anywhere. And this is, you know,
the amount of supercharged emotional people out there right now
is just it's frightening. And I think that a lot
of it is just displaced, because there are people that
are taking advantage of the fact that people are in
an emotional state right now and they're just trying to
aim that energy. But I really think that you're right.
I think that there is something really incredibly profound going
on interpersonally and for us as a global society that
there's a change going on, and of course people like
you are going to be necessary more and more and
more as these things manifest in the world. Now, that's
mostly the reason that you wanted to come on today
was to discuss that a little bit. And so I
just want to not fill up the show with my
thoughts and feelings, but I want you to have the
room and space necessary to explain what it is you
want to to bring to the table to help people out.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well, this is going to be all about
my experience with fear forms. But before I can go
into that, we have to talk about thought forms. And
thought forms in short is essentially any thought has substance,
and with thoughts they resonate in energy. And if thoughts
project goodness, stillness, gentility, humility, you know, familia love that
kind of thing. It resonates with other folks and it
drives them to feel that more and to express that more,
which is why when you're around a very goodly person
or such as the Dalai Lama, where it simply evokes
joy on a constant basis and generosity. But now that
there's this more of this energy, people are forming what
I call fear forms, and to explain that, I have
to go back to when I was a child, because remember,
now there's more energy, people such as myself can manifest
this far more easily. But back then, as a child,
a little boy laying in bed in the dark, where
there's other things that I could see that were there,
my imagination could take off and create other things, far
worse things, far more horrifying things. And I didn't know
that I was making the situation worse because there were shadows,
there were things peeking out of the closet. Not that
weren't bad, but I was frightened, and it simply made things.
It drove things up to an altogether higher level where
my anxiety was even higher. And it didn't help that
my family was abusive, and so that anxiety drove them
even to even worse levels, even including making me wake
up out of a dream and a cold sweat because
something had grabbed me, and I sat up in bed
and was so terrified I couldn't I couldn't lay down,
and realized that I must have passed out from just
sheer exhaustion several hours later, just before dawn, because I
found myself sitting in that position, and my back hurt
so bad I couldn't lay back down. I had to
roll on my side and then try to straighten out,
and it was bad. I also used to sleep on
my face to avoid seeing the things that I actually
could project, because what most people don't realize is not
only do thoughts and have substance, but it can be
manifested in such a way on the astral so that
you can see it. In some cases, people are actually
doing that, or in some cases their fears are empowering
old energy, old memories, in structures and causing them to activate,
and they don't know they're doing it because they didn't
realize that they were giving off this energy, this light,
and some things are nascently conscious and other things aren't.
So the first time I actually realized that that was happening,
after I had reached my team years was after watching
a fantastic movie which everybody I highly recommend they go
and watch, is Forbidden Planet with Walter Pigeon. The nature
of that show was that on that planet, this entire
species had risen to such a level that they were
able to make a machine that could make anything they
thought of manifest. So all of their needs could be
met by simply thinking about what they needed. But there
is a problem. Even if during your waking hours you
are the kindest, best, most controlled person and could never
imagine hurting someone else, your worst fears can go crazy
in your sleep. And that was what would happen. Walter
Pigeon would go to sleep, and his fears and anxieties
would come to life and attack and kill because he
had linked himself to this machine. And that's essentially how
we are. This energy that was once fairly sparse is
now quite thick and heavy throughout the planet, and your
fears can be made manifest, made real, and by fearing it,
by assuming that there's things out there to get you,
and continuing to press your anxiety as well as your
sense that people are persecuting you, it becomes real. It's
a self fulfilling prophecy, and it will come after you.
So we'll just fast forward a little bit too. When
my son was born nineteen ninety nine, I knew that
or sorry two thousand was conceived in nineteen nine, two
thousand he was born, and that we knew that he
was going to be gifted, because throughout the entire time
he was developing. I could feel him and I would
sing to his mother's tummy and he would kick to
trying to get to the surface because he wanted to
be able to get closer to the voice. And I
knew that he was. He was going to be gifted,
and so I had to think about what I was
going to be looking towards into the future. But I
hadn't thought about the fears that had come after me,
because I thought, well, if i'm if I keep the
house safe, if I use my abilities to keep things away,
everything should be fine. But the age of three, my
son starts to see things and I begin seeing things
out of the corners of my eyes and realize that
there couldn't be anything there. And I looked dead at it,
and it's something that he'd manifested. And I would ask him, son,
why are you making these little boogeymen? And you're hiding
under the covers and he says, I'm not. You definitely are.
And had to teach him how to deal with it,
in fact, showing him how to use his energy to
be to do the essential the dart on me to
the balloon, you know, when you're playing at the at
the carnivals and you have to pop the balloons and
showing him how that was done so that he could
destroy them. Oh cool, and to take back his own
his sense of safety, because you can do that for them,
and you can watch over for them, and you can
help them wipe those things out, but you can't always
be there for them, and that's not you and saying,
oh no, those aren't real. That's why you know. I
let him know you're making these things because there's nothing
can get in here, and so you and I need
to take care of this together, and then I'll show
you how you can do it for yourself, as long
as it takes, until you have you're no longer scared.
And then of course comes the part where I pop
in Army of Darkness and he watches it with me
at the age of three, and for the next several days,
as he's killing these things, he's shouting to the high heavens,
this is my boom stick. So then came my youngest,
which is he's only eight now, and he began to
manifest the same things approximately at the age of two,
so he's a little bit sooner than my under one.
And I realized that was because of the nascent energy
that had stuck around in the bedroom that we put
him into that was from the lady who used to
live here. And I had to keep telling him, no,
she's not dead. What what you're you're seeing is the
energy you're pouring into it because of your fears, because
you can feel that she was here once and you're
you're making her do this and menace you. And I
had to sleep in his room for weeks at on
end on the floor so that he would feel safe,
and until he realized that she would only show up
when my when I wasn't around, so that my energy,
because my energy would disperse what he was doing, sort
of like the strongest magnet present to attract the most filings, right.
And then had to show him how to deal with it,
and that led to the last what six years of
him doing comes at my.
Speaker 4: Head from dragon Ball. That's awesome.
Speaker 6: And then in a lot of the situations I've been
dealing with for people that they don't realize now and
and this is many of the cases that have come
my way, that they're creating their persecutors, but it's not always.
I don't want everybody to think that this is every
single case, in the case of the Enfield poltergeist in England. Okay,
the girls were dealing with at first their fears being
taken and because they were gifted, they were definitely capable.
The fear forms were then being absorbed because they are
energy by a thing that was in the home. That's
still there, okay, and to this day it's still there.
The psychic that made it stop only got to agree
to stop until the girl's mother died, and when she
did that, it was game on again. But that was
what they that's what it's waiting for. And once it
had both I can't remember their names, the two sisters
because they they had just reached the puberty. It's a
fantastic energy source and it just kept on drawing it
out and it was able to make was able to
throw break, pick up the girls and float them around
the room or toss them out of bed. And that
is the extreme of these things getting out of hand,
which is why I caution people about ever ever letting
fear make decisions for you, and you can't really control it,
but you can harness it and find let it turn
to something else and find a better way to express it.
Because making decisions on fear is such a bad idea.
Fear is how you save yourself from a crocodile chasing
after you. Fear is not how you make decisions for
the rest of your life that are going to will
eventually have repercussions for yourself and others. It's a problem
solver in the second or the moment.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: So, one of the gentleman that I was helping had
been had a solid belief that things were coming after
him and that he was being attacked, and that the
underpinnings of his life were constantly being taken apart. And
so I looked into it. And the first thing that
I saw, the very first thing that I saw as
I'm looking at him, is other versions of himself, doppelgangers
walking by and eyeing me. Or he couldn't see me
as I was bilocating to his position, they could. And
I realized he's making manifest all of the things that
he is afraid would happen, and at the same time,
in a way craved as a justification for his anger.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, And when I.
Speaker 6: Removed them, most of his anger went away. But I
realized that this was only a temporary thing. And they
were going to start bring back to the surface and
coming back and coming back. And it's a thing that
I wouldn't want to broach with him, because he's convinced
that there is no other way other than for this
to be from the esoteric everybody. You know, everybody's out
to get me, everybody, And that's that's something that only
counseling can change. Really, right in this era where fears
can resonate and make manifest some of the worst decisions
and horror making things that a human can express, that's
that's the only all I can do is pop the
balloon and wait for it to build up again and
then do it again. And which in this case, I'm
not being like a police officer or guardian. I'm being
like a firefighter, trying to keep the fire down to
a just a slow simmer and not a raging inferno.
Speaker 4: So would you say that something like the slender Man
would be a would be a potential manifest station of
something like this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't been able to find any. When I
go looking in places where people say I've seen the
slender Man, I've seen the slender Man, and I don't
even see echoes of it. All I can feel is
what basically like footprints of previous energy, which has this
electric taste like fear. You know, that taste you get
in your mouth like you're when you get terrified.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, yeap, Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 6: Actually from a release of higher levels of zinc, which
causes that funky taste in your mouth, and that and
that's I get that in those areas, the same thing
with a few of what people are calling cryptids, not
all of them, far from all of them, but just
a couple of them. And it seems that the fear
of the thing can make it manifest as well, and
it can be just as solid, just as frightening, and
just as dangerous, especially if you run from it in
such a way that makes you make poor decisions, not
looking where you're going, and you took wrong step into
a giant ravine. Yeah, and that's that is the best
probably expression of what's currently going on for many people
I can I could give you for I mean, I
actually had to, at the age of twenty three stare
down the when to go. I shouldn't say THEE because
there's quite a few, but a when to go, and
if there is no fear present because I'd been pushed
to the point where I had I didn't care if
I lived or died. Back then, they just they have
nothing to eat, they have no there's nothing for them
to feed on, and they back they will back away.
And but these other things the same approach. Approach it
like it's it's something that's waiting for you to blink.
Don't don't run, stand your ground, don't approach, don't chase,
because the word the last thing you should do is
go chasing into the mouth of the tiger.
Speaker 4: Right. Yeah, that's pretty intense. That's really really intense, And
it really does seem to demonstrate the amount of ability
that people have laning inherent in them.
Speaker 6: Yes, and seems to be more common in children up
to the end of puberty, because by that point quite
a few of them, if they had nason abilities, will
have made a decision whether either to embrace them or
to turn away. And turning away doesn't make you safe.
It just means that some of the normal perceptions I
shouldn't say normal, I guess the perceptions you would develop
because of going with your abilities will not have developed.
And so some of these things can come out of
nowhere and frighten you terribly or be shocking in many ways,
and you won't have learned how to deal with them
as a normal thing as my children have, because you
have to make as normal as possible, because it is
a normal port part of our day. I believe we
let this get away from us during the beginning of
the Enlightened Period when Houdini and Arthur Arthur Conan Doyle
started chasing down psychics and others in order to prove
that they were phony or false or whatnot. And don't
get me wrong, they really uncovered a bunch of scam artists. This, unfortunately,
would have had the effect of anybody who was honest
about it going, well, I can't be out there anymore.
I can't. This is its own version of a witch trial.
And all it's going to do is make it so
that I can't do what I'm able to do. And
so they stopped and pre nineteen hundred, most of this
just fell away or became the equivalent of just everybody
considers it hokum, and that was that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 6: And a lot of spirits that are attached to families
that act as guardians, guides and hearth spirits. I speak
to some of them, haven't seen a gifted family member
going back as far as the Revolutionary War? Oh wow, yeah,
and some of them before that. And they said, well,
they all they all started looking at them, like, for instance,
this one, her name is Belle, she recounted to me.
How Ever, since leaving their family, leaving Ireland, they acknowledged her.
Most of the girls could see her. The children would
grow up, you know, acknowledging her in the morning, saying hello.
And then after eighteen hundred something, then they all were told, no,
that's the devil do you shouldn't do that, or it's evil,
or only God can do this, and disciplining them until
they stopped looking and then stopped seeing, and then they
passed it on, so on and so forth, until now
there's a lot of these guardian spirits, these good things
out there that we've been taught to look away from,
just like as if they were the bad things and
they're there to help and we can't see them, but
the bad things don't don't mind being showing you their face.
Speaker 4: How can the average person differentiate between the two.
Speaker 6: Usually the feels and this is it, this isn't people
who don't even have abilities. Would be if it feels cold, uh, well,
to quote Yoda is you feel cold, slimy, death, negativity, anger,
things of the dark side. This is you will know
when you are calm at peace, uh, you know, and
that kind of thing. You can feel the warmth and
and though they do impart that and if you're welcoming
to them, they will share their light with you and
it feels comforting, like like a mother embrace.
Speaker 4: That's really cool. Okay. Yeah, So it's all lying with
an each of us to differentiate those things and to
empower those things I suppose by as a result.
Speaker 6: Right, and to not let fear guide you, because you can,
long after the events that could be dangerous to you
go away. You can be frightened and still feel a chill,
but you shouldn't equate that fear response with the negativity
that's now gone, because it's it's quite easy to I
guess a good analogy would be you just got saved
from an event by a firefighter or a police officer,
and you're in shock and and and you're still feeling
those feelings when you were in the middle of the event,
and you're very keyed up and scared, and and it's
experience will tell you don't take it out on the
on the rescuer because you can see the rescuer. But
now imagine you can't see that, but you can feel
the presence, and so you get frightened. It's warm, but warm,
that's hot would not mean the devil. And we've been
told all these weird things, and so we get scared again.
Speaker 4: We get programmed. Yeah, there's a lot of that, and
that certainly muddies the waters. Even more is when you're
running into paradigms and belief systems on top of all
of this, that's for sure. But I think this is
probably a good point for us to take our first
and only break, I guess of the show. So don't
go away, ladies and gentlemen. We'll be right back with
more of mister Shawn Gonzales and the thought forms. All right, everybody,
we are back and back at it. I'm your host,
Brent Thomas still and I'm still joined by mister Sean Gonzalez,
who is here to talk to us about thought forms
and projections and such and how to understand and deal
with those things. So welcome back, Shawn, and thank you
so much for being here.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me again.
Speaker 4: The floor is yours again, sir, So take it away.
Speaker 6: The stream of consciousness thought on, this is it for me.
It fits in spurts. So I'm trying to think what
would be the probably the next natural thing to go
on to. Since thought forms are a manifestation of sometimes
people think of it as belief, but also of pure
and sometimes very extreme desire, you can actually make manifest
like with children, they make their their their imaginary friend,
and so dismissing an imaginary friend is not wise because
let's say the child and this is in many cases
you will actually find this, especially if you investigate the
paranormal that a child starts off with a imaginary friend,
and sometimes the imaginary friend is actually them empowering the
environment where another child is passed and the child becomes
basically wakes up from their from from their doldrums or
the remnants of their memories which are imprinted on the
environment create a being that they can befriend. And this
is kind of important because you want that to stay
good and benevolent, and that's what most most families all
will talk about. They don't you should never poo poo
the child or poopoo that that's that that's occurring, because
if the child fears it, then the fears will go
into that and make manifest all kinds of horrible things.
I have read so many stories on the the spurned
imaginary friend becoming violent and attacking as their fears pour
into it and make it become the antithesis of what
they originally wanted, something that was never dangerous in the
first place, by peers and parents pushing, Oh, that's that's silly,
you know, that's or wait, it could be a demon
or the devil, or or horrible you you'll know. I
believe it was in the Bible that I think it
was Jesus said, you will know these things by by
what they have made manifest. Essentially, you know, you'll know
the tree by the fruit that it bears. And so
if it's not dangerous, don't start tinkering with the tree
and calling it aims because the fruit it'll it will
bear will become bitter.
Speaker 4: Oh good point.
Speaker 6: So hopefully that gives about a million kids who are
dealing with their their best friends being thought forms and
the parents not constantly going after them, and eventually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a big fear of that. In the
paranormal though, the whole always got an invisible friend. Oh wait,
it's you know, it's not an invisible friend. It's a
it's a spirit with its own consciousness. And you know
that's that's kind of a tough one too to nail down, because,
of course, there are so many stories of these clairvoyant
children seeing and talking to spirits, and a lot of
times adults dismiss them as invisible friends when in retrospect
they find out that it was a manifestation of a
spirit that their child was just able to perceive. Where's
the distinction there, sean how do people know?
Speaker 6: Well that that would require having someone who has gifts
come in to let them know it's like, oh, this
is a spirit, or as I had to do recently,
that it wasn't just somebody's imagination, and or in the
case of like with my children, letting them know, oh, no,
are those are just your thought forms, Those are just
creations that you made. They have no more substance because
I can see that it's tied to the original person.
Now in some cases, and this is where the line
gets very muddy, that it was that it wasn't the
child before, It wasn't the imaginary friend. It was up
until a certain point, and the child puts so much
energy into it that it then takes on a life
of its own, and then it goes from being a
thought form to being what is called a spirit. Spirits
have never been born. They are an essence of something,
an essence of a desire, a belief, an emotion, a friendship,
an element, an ideal such as guardian spirits. Heart spirits,
that kind of thing. They've never been alive. And as
long as all that you pour into it is good,
you don't have to worry about it. But once it
gets turned into a spirit and it has its own
ability to feed itself and maintain itself, then it is.
It is an autonomous thing. And that's where the distinction.
You can literally jump from camp aid it can't be
and then you can say, well, this is now, but
it was then and it It just makes things more
confusing because most people don't even realize that you know
that are friend. Many heart spirits actually start off as
a belief or a need for something to protect the
family and to protect and to protect the home and
to watch over the children, et cetera. When mom can't
that kind of thing, and then they simply manifest and
become a permanent thing. They can be destroyed. And that
is unfortunate that some of these things which are are
have been with families three four or five, six hundred
years that are looking out for you can be neglected
until they just disappear.
Speaker 4: Okay, would that be akin to a domovoid.
Speaker 6: Then yeah, that's a similar idea that the domovoid domo
ven are all about protecting the family and the heart.
That's the Russian idea of it, and they can be
quite physical. Up until recently, I did not realize that
that heart spirit slash dumbovoi were pretty much the same thing,
because I hadn't seen a heart spirit become I guess
enraged until just yesterday, and so I realized it's all
a matter of their personality, and that's a thing. Also,
every one of them has a different personality. They are
their own thing, right, They don't they don't do what
They're not puppets. They don't do what you direct, they
do what you ask of them.
Speaker 4: Wow, And and what a powerful thing to have around,
I mean, a very potent spiritual presence that has your
best interest at heart. That's really awesome.
Speaker 6: And that's the reason why I tell people all the time,
all the time, there's more good out there than bad.
Promise you, what you can't see can hurt you, but
there's way more out there that's looking to keep you
from making that misstep crossing the road, that wants your
garden to flourish, that loves it when they see you
feed the birds, that kind of thing. It's just if
you knew, if you knew, it would warm your heart
and you wouldn't have as much worry about the paranormal
being filled with all these negative things that literally want
to crawl out of every shadow to come get you,
because that really is rare. It isn't the commonality of
this life or the next.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's really powerful, very very powerful, And I'm glad
that that kind of ties in a whole lot of
different ideas into that same sta streamline theory. It makes
a lot more sense to me because being a researcher
of the paranormal, you know, you come across these different
concepts and beliefs regarding different types of spirits and stuff,
and sometimes it's hard to hard to know, Like in
the case of the Domovoi, like, Okay, well, there's this
a spirit within this culture that exists, but why doesn't
other cultures have these same things? And if they do,
why do they have a different name, or why do
they look different? Or well, you know whatever, whatever, whatever,
But I think it's really to me, it's a really
cool thing to see the unification of those those symbols
through different cultures and to draw a common narrative.
Speaker 6: And realizing that the reason why they seem so different
is because somebody somewhere made the first domovoi and it
acted a particular way, and so they told all of
the people about this Domovoy that hears this story, and
so it became part of the subconsciousness of that culture.
And even though they existed somewhere else, the perception that
was passed on was different, such as with the heart spirits,
even though they're literally the same thing, but their expression,
because of how they're created and made manifest, was based
on the culture that created them. And it's interesting to
note that there is much a creation of man, as
they are guided by man, and so it's it's it's
not just that they are real spirits, they're manifest they're there.
We've made them. We've made them out of our needs,
with our thoughts and our love and in some cases
fears and hates, and so every last one of them
is going to have a different personality. Some of them
seem to be in many cases, most of them aren't
look like they're members of the family. In cases of
the two hard spirits that I can tell you about,
they look like that, like the family that they came from.
In some cases they dress anachronistically, or they're you know,
they they're taller, They just they seem that you could
easily see if they were just inserted into a picture
of the family, you know, a portrait of the family,
they would they're indistinguishable. And so that that's the case,
and they are literally part of the family. In the
case of guardian spirits, which are thought forms made manifest
to protect the land, they take on the aspect of
the people who were there the longest and had the
most influence, which is such as some of the the
Bannock tribe guardian spirits in Idaho. The one that I
encountered there, he was created by the by the Bannock
nearly nine hundred years ago, and another one that was
one Yankee that I encountered in Florida several weeks ago.
She even dresses like a pioneer woman of the early
eighteen hundreds and carries a musket. So and and but
they're they're made by us, and they're here to help us,
as long as you don't treat them as if they
were the spawn of you know, beels above. And that's
part of the don't turn a good thing into a
fear form, I guess you could say.
Speaker 4: Right, so does in retrospect is mastering the fear. The
key in this is this where where that can be
broken down and nullified or at least diffused.
Speaker 6: Mastering fear but also having the knowledge is those are
the two. They go hand in glove. There's nothing which
drives away fear as much as knowledge and experience, and
knowledge that not everything out there and that the thing
that you're probably encountering has no ill will towards you
goes a long way towards keeping your fears from making
things worse. Okay, So knowledge is key. Knowledge is power.
The truth shall set you free if you pick your
wise men. And they all had it right.
Speaker 4: So we got about fifteen minutes left. So I just
just to let you know where we're at with the clock.
But I just wanted you to know so that you
can frame this up. However you think it best for
this topic.
Speaker 6: Well, I guess I would say, uh, let's see. You don't,
I see, don't make decisions based on fear. Don't don't
be afraid of everything first. It's really hard not to,
because that's the that is the first inclination of our
hindbring to be scared. And that if you if you're
going to think about things, think about them in the
best possible terms. Let hope be your guide. Keep that
ever forwards in your mind. Hope is not a is
not a wasted effort. Love is not a wasted effort.
And and I think I should probably go into some
of the rules in in Thoumatergy because they are good
for not only learning, but understanding the world. The primary law,
that is was to guide us, and this is dates
back to the Persian Empire. Is summed up in a saying,
do what thou wilt was said to me, And as
thou wilt, so motive be, for love shall be the
whole of the law love underwill, which is to break
it down into colloquial English is don't be a jerk.
Treat everybody like you would be treated yourself. Do what
you want, but don't don't hurt people. Let love be
your guide, and let will be how you guide your
love to other people and to the world. Because what
you send out comes back to you. And in almost
every form of energy understanding, from wicked to thou matergy
to Zoroastrianism, is this rule that what you send out
comes back to you. Manifold Wickens call it the rule
of three. Thou matter just know it is the rule
of seven times seven. Jesus quoted it in the Bible
when it was asked Master, how many times should I
forgive my neighbor once, twice, seven times? And he latched
upon that number quickly and said seven times seven. And
the reason why is because before the concept of zero
was given to us by the Native Americans of Central America,
seven times seven was the equivalent of infinity. Oh okay,
and so numerically speaking, seven times seven, it's only forty nine.
But that's a lot. And so imagine that what you
send out comes back to you that many times. So
if you send out good, it comes back to you
that many fold over. And the same thing is with
the energy you put into your environment and the thought
forms and the things that you want to make manifest
in the world. So if you send out fear, that's
going to come back. It's going to come back much
much harder, and it's going to fill your environment and
affect your friends, and it's going to affect your family,
and it's going to grow. Because you send out one,
it comes back fifty. You send out fifty, it comes
back to fifty if you say so. Be aware that
your thoughts craft your environment. And so if you want
a good environment, if you want a good home, if
your children see things, you know, always always couch it
in soft, understanding that this is the beginning for them,
and not to let fear guide you or annoyance. It's
hard sometimes, I know, it's very hard to to not
be dismissive when when the children are bouncing off the
walls and giving you all kinds of grief all day
and then the case of mine hitting me in the
head with cameo mal wave after another.
Speaker 4: Yeah I could, I could numb your senses after a while.
Speaker 6: But yeah, to be sitting in my recliner, and all
of a sudden, I see him take the stance, and
I realized, oh no, and here it comes. It's it's
always it's funnier to take on the aspect of bugs
bunny or wiley coyote, knowing he's the rock's about to
fall becomes it's like here comes the anvil yea, and
and you know it's gonna hit, but it's it's okay
because you know they're they're they're they're taking their power
and they're learning their they're stepping forward and they're being
bold about it and and and that's important to to
to infuse confidence also, and I probably that's where this
organically was leading. Is confidence breeds the ability to master
fear and maintain knowledge as your as your as your
guiding influence, which then leads me to the the third law, uh,
which is to will, to know, to dare, and to
keep silent. Each one of these aspects is as an element,
which is their aspects are supposed to help you with learning.
You must will uh and and you must be daring
and children if nothing else, if you don't squish them,
they are daring.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Uh. And then comes knowledge with daring and then comes
the silence to sit down and go, I don't know everything,
and I must learn more. Sure, right, I wish I
had more to give on the subject. I'm trying to
be as as as broadly vague but specific as I
can be, because it's this is a large topic, and
and defending yourself against these things also actually finish up
is you need to make sure that you can claw
back your power. You've given it to them, You can
dismiss it. Your conscious mind can can erase that reality.
You don't have to let Freddy Krueger have your power
in your dreams. You don't have to to let the
monster under the bed have free reiin. It can be
clawed back when it is given. If you are giving
it out of fear because you don't realize you're doing it,
you can take it away. That's what I taught the children.
Speaker 4: And so that that's that's the diffusion. Then just in
a nutshell, that by by conquering the fear that might
have created it, it will in essence diffuse it. Yes, okay,
because I think that's important, and that's that's empowering, and
that's maybe the crate on the end of the string
for anybody that's suffering from this, So they've they've dialed
it in. They figured out maybe maybe I'm manifesting this.
Now they have to explore that fear that's creating it,
diffuse it, and and by virtue of diffusing that their
problem is diffused as well.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 4: No, that's quite powerful.
Speaker 6: I've never seen anyone who has made these that didn't
balk in the presence of a brighter light. And that
is that's when you want to call someone in so
that they can tell tell you it's it's going to
be okay. They hate that because they've got to keep
you scared. It's just like it like in anyone else.
A bully, he's only got his power over you as
long as he can keep you scared. The instant you
realize that you know what, you've hurt me, I've taken
your worst. But you know what, I know You're scared
of me lining a blow to your nose because then
you'll you're going to bleed, and then you're gonna you're
gonna see that you're not you know, you're not breakable,
you're not iron Yeah, and then and then comes that
joyous knowledge within your heart that yeah, I am somebody.
I can be somebody, and I can be somebody even
in my worst fears, and it creates this sense of
elan within you that is very uplifting. I get. There's
movies you watch when when the protagonist finally turns the
tide and then there's this sense of joy like yeah,
we got it, and you know, and that's that's that
feeling that has to land land in your heart from
within that then gives you the ultimate ability to reach
out and just go poof.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. What was that movie? There was a movie
kind of like that that reminds me of it. It's
like a twelve o'clock noon or something about that, Like
this kid's in school and he's getting bullied by this
giant of a guy.
Speaker 6: Oh three o'clock high.
Speaker 4: Yeah, three o'clock guy. That that's a classic. And U
you know when you're when you're talking about this, that's
what it brings to mind, is this. You know in
that in that movie, the kid just does everything he
can not to confront it himself. You know, he's he's
running here, there and everywhere. He's trying to solicit other
people to take care of it for him, and all
of that fails, and in the end he's there facing
it on his own and and and that's when it conquers,
you know. So I mean, what a perfect example, you know.
Speaker 6: Or a more recent one the Forbidden City with Jackie
Chan and Jetley the boy in the beginning running with
the staff and then at the end, after going through
all those trials and tribulations and that alternate reality, which
is I really love that movie. It's gorgeous. The scenery
is just phenomenal, it is. And and he comes back
to his his world and finally stands up to the bully.
And then as he's standing there and the bullies on
the ground bleeding, he says, you know, we don't have
to do this. He's he's still being good. He's not
become the bully, right, He's become he's become his ultimate
good in her self.
Speaker 4: And ladies and gentlemen, please understand is this is It
may seem kind of out there to some of you
that that we are creating these kind of things, but
you know what is it? Quantum physics is demonstrating over
and over and over and over that we are creating
results in experiments. We are by virtue of our expectations
are are creating quantum reality, and so if it can
happen on the microcosm like that, it can happen on
the macrocosm as well. And you know, I realized some
of these ideas may be foreign to a lot of
the listeners, But we do create things, and even Jesus
said it is done unto you as you believe. So
just know that that we are not these powerless little lemmings,
you know, constantly battling the waves of good and evil.
We are maybe the creators of the waves, you know,
And just imagine that. So you imagine that idea, and
how empowering does that become? That you're not at the
whims of some cosmic powers. Perhaps you are a cosmic power,
you know, acting in this world and in your life.
And how much control does that give you? So I
think it's I think it's really encouraging to hear things
like this that you know, Yeah, hauntings can be scary,
and dealing with something paranormal is absolutely terrifying to some people.
But if you can get your head around the idea
that you might be the one creating it, then you
are absolutely empowered to take it away. And I think
that's very encouraging.
Speaker 6: And in the case of some hauntings are made worse
by the fact that your fears. Okay, so we're going
to go into pop culture again. One of your favorites
Tangina from Poltergeist. Clear your minds. He already knows what
scares you. He doesn't need any help or no, don't
give him any help. Yeah, and that is a thing
as well. When Poltergeyst came out, I don't know who
Steven Spielberg, you know, quiz pulled, but he did his homework.
I have a hard time poking a hole in any
of the stuff he did except for the really pets,
you know, the special effects on the guy pulling his
face apart that was really horrible, but all the rest
of it. The reason why it resonates so terrifyingly is
because there is a lot of information behind it in
that regard that it is something that that that happens,
and of course you know children are sensitive to it.
It's it is and understanding that we can take back
or power, as most people do, and that the family structure,
the family unit itself. And the second one they showed
this because and I believes Pielbergh wanted to show it
in the first one, but he didn't want to have
a two hour film, right, And so I think it's
like an hour and thirty something minutes or an hour
and twenty. But you can see the powers of the
family together, the light that you generate because you love
your family, and it's it is a thing. When you
make a family, it is. It is a powerful structure
and an energy and a light source, so long as
you don't have someone in it being abusive. Now, I've
never I only dreamt of it in my own life
because my family was very very you know, I would
say not good. I don't want to put all the
negativity out there, sure, but I've seen people with good
families and as a child seeing them all together, loving,
and the light that it creates is it is a
real thing. And when you told me it told this
in the last show that we did together about your
son and you going together, and I told you, it
creates that light. And this is a fantastic segue to
go back to that, because the light that you create
together is how you drive the things off. Right, just
putting his hand in yours immediately that your two your
auras connect combine and become something greater than the sum
of the parts. It becomes exponentially stronger, and it is
it is the beauty of math, as Galileo spoke of
that with math is the language by which God has
written the stars.
Speaker 4: Wow. Very profound, very profound.
Speaker 6: Just quoting Galileo.
Speaker 4: So now just in closing, Sean, how can people stay
in touch with you?
Speaker 6: Well, if you need me, you can find me on
Facebook at Magic Oak Paranormal Investigation and Elimination. And yes,
I do realize that the acronym is MOPI. Or you
can find me on YouTube under Ian's Magic Oak, where
we do shows usually weekly when everybody's available. Or you
can email me at Ian's that has no apostrophe Magic
That's M. A. G. C. K. Oak as in the
tree Oak at gmail dot com and I usually respond
right away the if you go to the Facebook page,
I get notices within seconds. So if you are in need,
I stand here to help.
Speaker 4: Well, wonder if brother, and thank you so much for
coming on once again and and sharing these thoughts and
ideas and this insight, because I think that you know
it's kind of the it's the g I Joe line
but it's true. You know. Uh, knowledge is power and
that's there now, you know, And that's half the battle.
It's what that phrase is and uh, you know, it's
really it's corny, but it's true. It's if if you
if you don't know, then you are subject to the
knowledge of someone else. But if you know, then you
are only subject to your own knowledge and your your
own understanding. So that's a big part of what the
portal is is a discussion to help people understand and
to hopefully we'll all grow together, you know, because I
don't think anybody has all this dialed in. But together
I think we create a community and a network of understanding,
which I think is very powerful. So but once again, brother,
thank you so much for being here and being a
part of the shows. You were now the first person
ever to do repeat a apearance on the podcast.
Speaker 6: So I'm honored.
Speaker 4: Well I'm honored as well, and thank you for all
that you do on behalf of those who need the
help and for all of us. You know, it's nice
no one you're out there man.
Speaker 6: As I said, it's my pleasure. I'm honored that people
actually come to me and ask for help and put
their their worries at my feet because that is very humbly.
Speaker 4: Oh great, and you do a wonderful job. I've heard
back from many, many people that you have helped, and
I've not heard anybody come back and say, well, that
was a waste of my time. I'll never get those
five minutes back. I've not heard that one yet. What
I've heard is, wow, Sean really helped. It was great.
The situation's really under control now, and thank you so much.
And they're thanking me for what you're doing. And it's like, well,
you know all, I was point you in that direction,
but you know so, but thank you, you know, officially
and wholeheartedly. What you're doing is amazing. You and Joel
and Diane and everyone else that works in concert with you.
You guys are doing some amazing stuff.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. And thank you for having me on
your show again.
Speaker 4: All right, brother, well, thank you and thank you all
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