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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to a new episode. If you're wrong

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with Molly Hemingway and David Harsani, just as a reminder,

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please feel free to email to show at radio at

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the Federalist dot com. We love to hear from you.

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It's nice to see you, Molly.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing great?

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Speaker 1: Great?

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Speaker 2: So did you follow the news on the Arlington cemetery

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scandal that the media are obsessed with right now?

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Speaker 1: I was away and I wasn't paying attention, and then

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I saw a sort of little, you know, tweets about

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it and stuff like that, and as I suspected, it's

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just a completely concocted, ridiculous scandal.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. So last week was the three year anniversary

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of the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. So it's always import

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and separate the decision to exit that twenty year war

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from the way in which we know physically left Afghanistan.

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And there have been a lot of complaints about just

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the lack of strategy that went into that exit, leaving

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our most secure base first and then leaving from the

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Kabul airport where chaos ensued. There was a bombing where

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more than a dozen Americans were killed and the family,

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the gold Star families of those dead soldiers Marines, there

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was another service member. They asked President Trump to come

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to Arlington for a ceremony on the anniversary to commemorate

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their dead and he said yes, and on that anniversary date,

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Joe Biden was still on his vacation at the beach.

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I think Kamala Harris might have been campaigning. They didn't

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us the issue, they didn't talk. They've never named these

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dead Americans, and the media and other Democrats decided to

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gin up a controversy where they said that going to

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Arlington was wrong because it was political, and they also

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were claiming that, you know, somebody at Arlington had tried

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to keep the gold Star families from taking pictures and

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that Trump officials had At first they said that there

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was like a physical confrontation, and then later they were like,

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actually it wasn't physical, And then later they were like,

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and we didn't even file a complaint because the person

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who felt that the Trump people were bad is afraid

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that if she were to name herself or you know,

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whoever it is, that bad things would happen to her.

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Because I think we know after ten years that people

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who go after Trump are usually damaged in the process,

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not given multimillion dollar book deal or TV shows, you know,

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or fetted by everybody in the media. And it was

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kind of this war between the media and Trump until

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Saturday or Sunday, I forget which day of the weekend

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it was when Kamala Harris weighed in and condemned Donald

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Trump for accepting the invitation of the gold Star Families

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to go to Arlington. And it was really weird because

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I think even though Kamala Harris tries to claim that

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she was super involved in the Afghanistan withdrawal, or she

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did initially until it all blew up, this wasn't really

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her story until she got involved this past weekend. It

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was a Joe Biden disaster more than a Kamala Harris disaster.

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But then she weighs in, goes to war against the

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gold Star Families inviting Donald Trump for them him accepting

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that invitation, and then what happened next was amazing. All

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of the gold Star Families did short responses to Kamala Harris.

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Have you seen any of these?

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Speaker 1: I did not see the responses.

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Speaker 2: Now, Oh, David, you have got to watch them. You

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owe it to yourself, just as an American to watch

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these responses, and they are unrestrained in their criticism of

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Kamala Harris and her attack on them and President Trump.

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And you also learn other things like one of the

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women who's definitely in English as a second language speaker,

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is talking about how this is by no means the

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first time that Donald Trump has met with them and

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grieved their loss. And it's just such a striking contrast

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the gold Star families and Trump versus Kamala and the media.

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And they decide the scandal is that he went to

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honor these dead, rather than that Kamala didn't, or that

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Joe Biden didn't, or that the disaster happened, and it

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was something to see.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris said she was the last person in the

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room talking to Biden before he made this decision or

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something of that nature. And yet, so it's weird that

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she has claimed responsibility for what happened and yet goes

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after someone who is honoring the dead who needlessly died. Incidentally,

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the one thing I liked about this whole controversy was

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that it kind of forced the media a little bit

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to talk about what had happened in Afghanistan within their

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stories always sort of buried pretty deep. But I don't

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know if people. I do think that conservatives knew or

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understood the depth of the irresponsible, politically motivated behavior that

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led to the death of those thirteen soldiers. They telegraphed

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the date, they did everything backwards. They created anarchy. They

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actually listen, we don't want to rehash the whole thing.

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It was a disaster. They left weaponry behind, people died,

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it was and we left assets, American assets behind all

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of that that. Obviously there's a political element to this,

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but I'm happy Donald Trump went there. I think that

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if you have a political sin, honoring dead soldiers is

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the worst is the best one you can have right politicized.

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So the whole I think for most Americans just viewing

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this would say, it is ridiculous to attack someone for

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honoring the dead servicemen and women who were, you know,

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part of this political, politically motivated debacle. So anyway, I

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mean that was my reaction to it, not following it

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step by step because I was away.

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Speaker 2: Well, the context here is really interesting too, because it

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was four years ago that The Atlantic, which is owned

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by Kamala Harris's best friend. That's something I didn't realize

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at the time, but it has come out recently in

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really cheery discussions that Loreene Powell Jobs is literally Kamala

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Harris's bff. That they are, They're extremely close. And I

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have always said when Donald Trump has has mocked The

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Atlantic for losing ten million dollars a year, I have

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always said, if you view it as a political contribution,

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it's a bargain. If you control a publication like The

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Atlantic and you can run fake info ops through it,

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ten million dollars a year does nothing for a billionaire anyway.

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One of the info ops she ran against her best

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friend's opponent, Donald Trump was to publish a story written

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by the editor Oh my gosh, I just forget his name,

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the Jeffrey Goldberg, who always or who was kind of

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known for his bad journalism during the lead up to

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the Iraq War is bad oversight of bad journalism of

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the Russia colusion hoax, and various other things. But he

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wrote a story in which he claimed he had four

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super anonymous sources who said that despite everything you've seen

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and heard and witnessed, Donald Trump secretly hates soldiers and

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he hates dead soldiers most of all, but right up

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near that is wounded soldiers. And it was a weird

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story because you have all these examples to the contrary

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of Donald Trump being very respectful, honoring the dead, posing

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NonStop with wounded soldiers, and more than that, you had

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literally twenty five or so, I can't remember, it's twenty

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four I think on the record refutations of these four

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anonymous people. Supposedly four anonymous people. So these are people

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who were in the room where he supposedly said that

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soldiers who died were suckers and losers. And you have

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people like Sarah Huckabee Sanders there. I think she was

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one of them. Maybe it was Kaylee mcnamney, I can't remember.

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But you also people like John Bolton, and he came

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out and he said, I hate Donald Trump more than

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I hate everything in life combined. And he never said this.

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And Donald Trump has made the point that had he

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said that in a room full of military leadership, he

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assumes they all would have resigned on the spot. But

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like hit him first. And so it's like a fantastical

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story that the left believes that there is no evidence

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in supportive and yet it was used by media even

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I think Chris Wallace asked Trump about it in the debate,

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or maybe Biden brought it up in the debate, I

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can't remember. In twenty twenty, it was used NonStop in

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ads from Biden, and so you can see that one

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of the problems with Donald Trump visiting Arlington and actually

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spending time on camera and off camera with these gold

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star families is that it just reminds people how corrupt

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the propaganda press are.

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Speaker 1: To me, it read like a left wing op to

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sully the event and make it see him untoward, do

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you know what I mean? And that was the op

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with Democrats investigating the supposed physical confrontation that happened there

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that we learn never happened, and so on, to take

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basically the focus off of both. The issue that I

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think started to was the first in a very serious event.

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we burst, and people started realizing how incompetent and ridiculous

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he was. So anyway, I started to interrupt, by the way,

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kind quickly he actually interrupted you again and talk about

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John Kelly. You know, everyone says that he confirmed this story, right,

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So I went back and I read this piece in

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NBC News that says John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged

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US soldiers and so on. But when you read the quote,

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and I won't bother reading the whole quote, he actually

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never says that.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. And I have been on this ever

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since Jake Tapper came out and said John Kelly confirmed it.

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And you read what he says, and he's like, it

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has been said that Trump said this. What more can

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I say because it has been said, And it's like,

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I know he's trying to In fact, I actually do

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believe John Kelly is one of the anonymous sources. I

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think he knows that he can't actually come out and

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say he's one of the sources, because then you'll have

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these twenty four people be like, well, that man's that

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man's a bleabity, bleeping liar. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I unless there's some place, and

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I doubt very highly there is where there's a statement

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where he says it happened. He just condemns him for

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calling them losers and stuff. That's not it not.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't say he does not say he heard it.

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He just says, what more can I say about this man?

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It has not already been said. It has been said that,

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you know, isn't it like Donald Trump's You know, many

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people say this or that anyway.

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Speaker 1: So how can you have a headline that says John Helly,

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John Kelly confirms Trump privately dispars you as service members

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and veterans when you know it is completely misleading, You

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can do it in part because.

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Speaker 2: I also want to say, I actually kind of wonder

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if what happened wasn't that the media negotiated this kind

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of thing with John Kelly, Like they all look like

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suckers and losers themselves for running this info op, and

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they wanted to continue the story, or they wanted to

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make it seem like it was credible, and they were

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going to point out that he was one of their sources,

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or maybe they thought it was going to come out

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that he was one of their sources. He's very easy

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by just journalistically speaking. One of the reasons why a

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good reporter will always try to get something on the

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record is because it is so easy to lie anonymously

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or to be unfair anonymously, and you take like a

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little kernel of truth or even not any truth at all,

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and you can spin it into a fantastical story if

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your name is not associated with it. And I mean

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I was just going to say, like, even when Carrie

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Savarino and I were writing Justice on Trial, we had

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amazing stories I mean amazing, amazing, amazing stories about Christine

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Blasi Ford that were told by her people she knew

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growing up, people in her community. Now, they told us

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they wouldn't put their names with it because they were

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scared of how you know, their children are applying to Yale,

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and they think if their name is associated with this allegation,

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then it'll hurt their children's chance of getting into school.

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That's all very believable, but the bottom line is, since

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those people weren't willing to put their name with their allegations,

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we weren't willing to put them out there in all

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their amazing That's responsible.

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Speaker 1: That's a responsible journalistic. That's that's how you're supposed to

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conduct yourselves as a journal you know, as a journalist.

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But also you're supposed to have two sources typically, I

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mean not always, but in most cases. I don't think

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The Atlantic even pretended to have two sources on this story.

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Speaker 2: Were anonymous sources or okay, so here anonymous sources. They

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were John Kelly, John Kelly's mom, John Kelly's brother, John Kelly.

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Speaker 1: Not General Millie.

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Speaker 3: Maybe no exactly, I don't know the here's the op though,

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So typically, and you know, some some groups Democrats will

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go from to NBC to AB SEE, you know, and

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work their way down to the Atlantic because the others

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probably are like, this is too rickety to even take

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for us, you know, I mean, you don't have any

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sources for this.

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Speaker 2: Goldberg will take it, He'll eat anything.

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Speaker 1: So the Atlantic takes it, and here's the op. The

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like it's a fact, even though they didn't report it,

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you know. So now NBC, ABC, CNN they can all

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mention it as factual as you know, saying the Atlantic

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's my favorite way of that. They'll say we

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confirmed the Atlantics reporting. Now what does that mean.

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Speaker 1: They call Jeffery Goldberg?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it actually means the same people who ran

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the op through Goldberg are willing to run the op

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through any other global reporter. Right. So, so this would

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happen all the time during the Russia collusion hoax. Someone

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would break the news. So, for instance, do you remember

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that situation where CNN broke the news that Donald Trump

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Junior had advanced notes.

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Speaker 1: I was about to talk about this Manu Raju, right

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of Wiki Leaks.

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Speaker 2: I think so, and they said we have two sources

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saying this, and then all of a sudden, Kendelanian over

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sources too. I wonder who those two sources were.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's funny about that that they got the same

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exact date accidentally wrong. All four sources or two sources,

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which is pretty impossible, I think.

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Speaker 2: Right. So, uh, if you if you're on the hill,

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it's like a common joke. You can be like, I

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want to I want to run this info op, but

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they're going to need two other sources. So you just

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if Manu Raju calls you, you can say you've heard

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about this, yeah, and that's confirmation they have heard about it.

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They're not necessarily lying. But it's all it's all a

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game and an operation. It's not real journalism. I mean

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to clarify. At the end of that story was that

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Donald Trump Junior did not have advanced notice of a

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wiki leaks. What happened is some absolute random schmo from

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California had heard about the wiki leak stump that had

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already happened, used a publicly available email address for Donald

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this looks like pretty interesting stuff. You should check it out,

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and then linked to it. And that became one of

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the big Russia collusion scandals. Oh he did this like

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the date was wrong. He did it after it was public,

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and this was after CNN, NBC and a bunch of

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other outlets went crazy with the story. Yeah, all based

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on two anonymous sources from Adam Schiff's office.

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Speaker 1: I meant to say, yeah, and this is what happened

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virtually every week during that time, and there would be

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a meltdown and then we'd have to walk it back

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and all of that. So yeah, I mean, but it

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is it is incredible how that Atlantic story has had

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this long life. Even Yeah, actually it's not incredible. I

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always say that, but it's not. But in any event,

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DEM's I think it just highlighted that Trump had gone

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to Arlington to visit these graves that Kamala Harris doesn't

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bother to do that. She doesn't bother to take responsibility.

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She doesn't even bother to answer questions about the policies.

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You know, sometimes we forget Joe Biden's president, but have

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you seen him recently? Making he's worse than ever, Like,

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I can't believe this guy supposedly running the country. It

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is a sham. It is a sham.

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Speaker 2: I actually haven't seen him. I mean, I guess I

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saw portions of his speech at the DNC, but that's

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the last I've seen of him.

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Speaker 1: He had some kind of press conference or statement, and

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people are throwing questions at him, and he just sort

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of smiles and looks off into the distance, like a

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person completely confused. It's actually it would be sad if

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he wasn't such a terrible human being. Molly, there's breaking

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news by the way from CNN Jim Acosta's account. Exclusive

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breaking news now in CNN. The Biden administration to accuse

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Russia of sustained effort to influence twenty twenty four election.

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I have to check to make sure we were talking

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about twenty twenty four, not twenty twenty or twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me that Russia only medals when well, wait, yeah, Russia.

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Russian medaling, according to our press, only happens during Democrat administrations,

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because it happened during the Obama administration, and then it

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didn't happen during the Trump administration. But now it's back

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to happening now that Trump might win again. That's so interesting,

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they say, that's because he's that. My favorite One of

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my favorite versions of the Russia colusion hoax was, ah,

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the Atlantic, right, Franklin four at the Atlantic? Was that right?

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Or am I missing someone?

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Speaker 1: Balfa Bank one, Well, you're.

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Speaker 2: Right, so it was maybe. New York Magazine said that

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Donald Trump had been a master spy who had been

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secretly secretly working with Russia for like forty years. And

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cinematic kind of way, to imagine Donald Trump, the least

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discreete individual on planet Earth, actually being a secret mastermind

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Russian spy.

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Speaker 1: It's all to blow smoke, to lead you, you know,

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to distract you. All all the stuff, the books, the

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television show, the real estate stuff. That was Jonathan chait

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I think the unthinkable. From nineteen eighty seven till now,

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he's been an asset, which is weird because in nineteen

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eighty seven it was a Soviet Union. Then they had

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you know a little bit of a a change over there.

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But Donald Trump stayed true to his Russian roots. Yeah,

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then that's perfectly fine. I mean, Manu Raju, we were

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just talking about he I think has been elevated to

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even in a higher position at CNN. Jonathan Chad is

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supposedly the moderate voice of you know, the Democrat, you know,

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democratic punditry, and no one suffered at all for making

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stuff like that up. But now we're back at it again.

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I just don't think it's going to have the same

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kind of I just don't think it's going to be

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effective anymore. I don't think anyone really believes it.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are different ways of being effective, right, So

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there are a lot of low information voters, and there

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also are a lot of people who need to believe

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that they are morally superior in their opposition to their

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political opponent. And so I do think this type of

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operation run against low information voters can and those on

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the left, it can pay dividends. I don't think it's

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going to work anymore on the right. And you think

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about even what it was like when the Russia collusion

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stuff first started coming out, and when it really bore

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fruit in the early days of the Trump administration, you

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had most Republicans in Congress going along with it like, oh,

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seems like we should appoint a special council, which was

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the type of impotence in Republican party politics that you've

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come to expect. I don't think that works on the

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right anymore. And you may never convince people on the

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left with facts or logic about the Russia colusion hopes

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and how they've been had through this info op run

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by their media and the deep state. But people on

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the right are so much more aware of what's going on.

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I mean, there's so much more aware that it's actually

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gonna be much more difficult to run whatever op they'll

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need to run. Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Russia does, you know, throw disinformation out,

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misinformation they get involved. I mean that's true, as does China,

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by the way, and we keep finding Chinese spies everywhere,

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but no one seems very concerned about that. We should

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talk about that in a minute. So it's this thing

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that exists that they can blow out of proportion, and

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it's impossible to disapprove. I can't disprove that Russia's convinced

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someone to vote for Donald Trump, even though you know,

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I doubt a single American has actually been convinced. But

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I don't want to jump the gun, but I do

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think actually, can we just remember too, that the Russian

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disinformation of twenty sixteen was not.

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Speaker 2: Best described as pro Trump. It was best described as

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pro chaos. It was very minor. It was like one

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hundred thousand dollars in Facebook ads. Most of it played

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like at no time near the election. It was partially

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pro Hillary or pro other Democrat content, and partially pro Republican.

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So this, you know, it became this Adam Schiff narrative

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that Russia was meddling in order to and everything they

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were doing was to help Trump get elected. Russia is

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an adversary and they want to sow chaos, and they

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do a really good job of it. And nothing sewed

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more chaos than the Russia collusion hoax. And it is

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kind of interesting that the dossier's main author, Igor Danchenko,

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is Russian. I'm not saying he did it on behalf

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of the Russian government. But like, if you wanted to

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look in a direction for Russia collusion, the people who

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paid through cutthroughs Russians to spread disinformation might be a

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better source for a Special Council investigation than the victim

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of it. But that's just me.

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Speaker 1: Well, almost surely some of the dossier came from was

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Russian disinformation, and that's almost indisputable at this point. So

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you know, I would say that that had a more

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of an effect by far on American politics, as you mentioned,

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than any Facebook ad, which I you know, which in

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my book that's coming at I really take a deep

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dive on. I mean, it was laughably juvenile, you know,

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and it was basically just trying to cause, like you say,

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chaos and pit people against each other. Listen, I don't

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think we need help in that regard democracy, if you

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really believe in it is messy, and it's better to

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have some Russian disinformation and our information flow than it

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is to keep banning people and creating and attacking free

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expression and allowing people to interact.

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Speaker 2: So and we can see what the real threat is

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to people in power by what you just said, and

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the real threat is, of course freedom of speech. I

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loved that line in RFK Junior's speech about how the

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government isn't afraid of misinformation, they're afraid of the truth.

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He said it much more eloquently. But people are afraid

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of real facts and information getting out there. And that's

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why in Brazil they just made it impossible for X

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to operate and have draconian fines on anyone who's using

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an VPN to get around their ban on X. People

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are afraid of real facts and information getting out, not

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not misinformation, that's just a lie.

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Speaker 1: Did you see how many people in the American left

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either or made excuses for the Brazilian government or we're

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supportive of what had happened there? I mean, can I

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read you aligned from the Associated So what happened was

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one single justice in the Supreme Court of Brazil shut

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down X. Then they went to the full orb. I

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don't know how they're exactly or Supreme Court works, but

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many justices and they all they all upheld that order.

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I think the guy's name was Alexander de Moreus. This

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is how the Associated Press reports on it. They say

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the High Court's decision undermines the effort of Musk and

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his supporters to cast Justice Alexander d Mores as an

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authoritarian renegade who is intent on censoring political speech in Brazil,

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like it makes a difference if one judge does it

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or a bunch of judge judges shut down what is

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I believe, the most popular social media site in the

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largest country in South America. By the way, did you

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know that the Brazilian Constitution protects free expression in all

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its forms? And it I know this because I looked

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it up and it is on in chapter five, Article

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two twenty or page one eight of my of the

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Brazilian Constitution, so you know they take it super seriously.

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Speaker 2: But it does show you why you don't need just

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laws but a culture that protects speech, because.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly it's what Justice Scalia said. Every Banana republic

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has a you know, a bill of rights. It doesn't

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really matter. But I just want to say that the

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reason this is politically motivated. The Brazilian president, Lula, you know,

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came out and said we don't need his right wing

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politics here. But I know that Musk is a much

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more idealistic person who believes in freedom because he lets

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Lula have an account on Twitter, even though the guy

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attacks him with nine million followers, do you, I mean,

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he views speech as a neutral principle. But anyway, I

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thought about that, and I also thought about Europe, where

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they also have a constitution that supposedly protects free speech.

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But now in places like Britain, in Germany, cops will

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show up at your door. They will literally take you

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in and arrest you for posting something on Twitter or

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elsewhere that is, you know, supposedly offensive. But the reason

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I think we should talk about this is because I've

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watched this. I'm sure you saw this video of Kamala

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Harris talking to Jack Jake Tapper in twenty nineteen where

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she said that whereas social media companies are directly speaking

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to millions and millions of people without any level of

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oversight or regulation, and it has to stop. I mean,

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that is insanely authoritarian. I can't even believe an American,

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a presidential candidate would say something like that, and it

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it's going to be fine, It's very I doubt it's

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even going to be mentioned in major media. So Kamala

479
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Harris becomes president, she's obviously her instincts are all authoritarian.

480
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,319
Surely on speech. We had President Biden, obviously, and let's

481
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talk about it. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg the other week

482
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,359
said that the Biden administration had pressured him into taking

483
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,759
posts down. So what makes us think anything's going to

484
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,920
change if Kamala Harris becomes president?

485
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: Right, Biden administration had pressured zuck Well, really, and it's

486
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,720
not just you know, it's permanent DC. It's not just Democrats.

487
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,880
It's that we have this time bureaucracy, you know, sort

488
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,400
of extra constitutional branch of government that is very powerful

489
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,079
in DC. So, yeah, censored discussion on public health, which

490
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,880
is one of the most important things that you should

491
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
be able to be free to discuss best approaches for

492
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,720
how to handle a global pandemic. The government made it

493
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,440
so that you couldn't do that. It was really difficult

494
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,200
to fight against that. They also ran an op to

495
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,480
suggest that if any stories came out about the laptop

496
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,799
that they that they had had for a year, that

497
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,119
that would need to be censored as well, and zuck

498
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,119
went along with that. And then he also said he

499
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had meddled in the election. You know, he'd been led

500
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,480
to believe that it would be in a nonpartisan way.

501
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:05,119
I'm not sure how much I believe that, and he

502
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,960
believes it was nonpartisan to fund that get out the

503
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,480
vote operations in the blue areas of swing states, but

504
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:13,680
that he understood other people didn't think that, and so

505
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,880
he wasn't going to do it anymore. But yeah, we

506
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,519
have all these threats going on right now. Kamala Harris's statement,

507
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:21,799
it's not just you know what she said to Jake

508
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,000
Tapper in that interview where she's like, Donald Trump needs

509
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,519
to lose his ability to communicate with the American public

510
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,759
because he has said things I don't like. It's also

511
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,160
that on the debate stage with Elizabeth Warren, she was

512
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,960
badgering Warren. Warren said something like, I don't want to

513
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,319
take away Donald Trump's free speech rights. I just want

514
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,759
him to I want to beat him at the ballot box.

515
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,920
When Elizabeth Warren is sounding like a rational defender of

516
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,519
the American constitutional order against what you're saying, you know,

517
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,160
you know, you've kind of messed up, and she would

518
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200
not let it go. Like the moderators were trying to

519
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
get Kamala Harris to move on, and she wouldn't move on.

520
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,400
She wanted to get everybody to agree that Donald Trump

521
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,599
needed to be silenced, and that government force needed to

522
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,279
be used to silence him, that corporate pressure sort of

523
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:13,720
like a fascistic corporate pressure could be applied. And this

524
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:17,359
is the nominee, the current nominee, who says her values

525
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,519
in opposition to free speech have in no way changed.

526
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,039
And yeah, nobody in the media is like actually talking

527
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:25,920
about it, even though it was just a few short

528
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480
years ago that they had her on videotape saying all this.

529
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: And let's not forget Tim Walls, vice presidential candidate, said

530
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,880
that there were no guarantees on free speech when it

531
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,480
came to misinformation. Hates speech of course, just means social

532
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:42,920
conservative views most of the time, or democracy. Well, I

533
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:49,079
mean it's like you said, the more serious the issue,

534
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,079
the more we need free speech not to be encumbered

535
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:53,960
at all. I mean, none of it should be, of course.

536
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,519
And yet the entire Democratic Party ticket now is against

537
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:00,359
says that you can shut down free speech if if

538
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,799
they deem it hate speech or whatever.

539
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: So I wrote a story that I feel like relates

540
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,359
to this that I wanted to talk about. I live

541
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,880
in Alexandria, Virginia, and one of the neighborhoods here in

542
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,839
Alexandria is known as this like really charming, cute, you know,

543
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,119
just like very very boutique kind of area, lots of

544
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,319
dogs and children. It's called del Rey, and it was

545
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,759
people kind of knew about it also in part because

546
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,400
the Obamas used to come to the area. They got

547
00:31:35,759 --> 00:31:40,119
ice cream, got custard at the Dairy Godmother and the

548
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,160
favorite custard shop. And then a few months after Donald

549
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Trump was inaugurated, a baseball field full of Republicans practicing

550
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,920
for the congressional baseball game was gunned down by a

551
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,920
Bernie Brow Democrat activist, and I think six of them

552
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920
were shot or injured, and one of them was nearly

553
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:05,039
fatally injured, Steve Scalise. You know, it's like a miracle

554
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,279
that he's even walking again. He went into emergency surgery.

555
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:14,200
And when you have a major assassination attempt of this type,

556
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
you would expect it to be a huge issue in

557
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:19,680
the neighborhood. And I actually lived in, you know, right

558
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920
near that baseball park at that time, and it was

559
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,559
like crickets. Nobody said much of anything. I think maybe

560
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,599
maybe that afternoon there'd been like a little gathering and

561
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,279
then it was just like we're moving on, and people

562
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,559
posted even more of their hate has no home here signs,

563
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,559
even you know, even though one of their own had

564
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:43,559
just gunned down a baseball field full of Republicans. Anyway,

565
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,640
cut to a couple of years ago, Jade Vance wins

566
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,119
election to be senator from Ohio. So it's very common

567
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
for people who are senators. You know, they they're here

568
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,960
during the week and home on weekends usually, and so

569
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,200
they will they make a decision either to come with

570
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,920
their family or not, and you know that effects where

571
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,480
they live. And JD. Vance bought a house in Delray,

572
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:11,720
and these neighbors of Delray decided to put out what

573
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,640
they call not so welcome signs, and they call it

574
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,319
yarn bombing, and it's where you knit a protest sign

575
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,440
and then you wrap it like around a pole in

576
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,920
front of the person's house, so their utility poles and

577
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,359
parking sign poles and stuff like that, and so they

578
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,680
put yarn around it to let them know they were

579
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,480
not welcome. I was appalled by this at the time.

580
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,400
I mean, I have friends who live right around there.

581
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,640
They were all appalled, and it was it was just

582
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,319
so unsettling to say, like, we know where you live.

583
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960
We know that you have young children, and we want

584
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
you to know that we don't want you here. And

585
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,279
on the neighborhood list serves and in the Facebook chats

586
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:58,759
and all that, all these women who were participating in this,

587
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,680
they were calling it utterly delightful, and they were even

588
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680
saying that they hoped that maybe some of the protests

589
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,240
that had come to Trump officials in the neighborhood would

590
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,559
also come to the home of JD. Vance where he

591
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,719
lives with his children aged two, four, and six. And

592
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:19,880
isn't that delightful? And so recently President Trump was nearly

593
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,480
assassinated and then like two days later he picked JD.

594
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,000
Vance as his running mate. And last week the Secret

595
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,960
Service says they're going to shut down the Tiny Tot

596
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,360
playground that's right near his house. And I certainly took

597
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,519
my kids there when they were at that age. It's

598
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,960
a charming little playground. There's also one literally two blocks

599
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:45,559
away that serves the same age group. The neighbors were

600
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,920
just heartbroken about it, and they were devastated that this

601
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,800
might be closed. Now. During COVID, when Alexandria closed all

602
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:01,719
parks and schools, there was no protest and they did

603
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,039
it for years, by the way, but here in this

604
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,159
case it was supposed to be a big deal, and

605
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,320
so they held a protest at the park to protest

606
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:12,159
the closing. They called it a party, and that you

607
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:15,440
were encouraged to wear your cat ladies for Kamala shirts

608
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,199
and other things that are like democrat merged that I

609
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,599
wasn't totally aware of. And anyway, I wrote a piece

610
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:27,760
criticizing it. And one of the things I'd learned while

611
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,440
researching the piece is that authoritarianism can be a problem

612
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:35,280
on both left and right. But one thing that's very

613
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:41,000
interesting about studies of totalitarianism is that if you are

614
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,880
on the right and you want, you know, your enemies

615
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,480
punished or something like that, like all the criteria for

616
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
what makes an authoritarian, you actually self identify as having

617
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:53,639
authoritarian tendencies. Whereas people on the left, they'll support brutal

618
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,920
punishment of their enemies and then reject the idea that

619
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,159
they are authoritarian, or they will want strong leadership where

620
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,880
opposing opinions aren't really given the right to fly free,

621
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,440
and they don't think that's authoritarian at all. And I

622
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,559
thought that was really interesting.

623
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first of all, you must be beloved

624
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,280
in the neighborhood. In your neighborhood, I imagine I.

625
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: Did get two negative emails from it, and I also

626
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:27,559
got i would say, like more than three dozen positive emails.

627
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,840
So and all of the positive emails, and I'm talking

628
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,920
about from people in the neighborhood or nearby, the positive

629
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,320
ones were so nice and so appreciative of what I

630
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,159
was saying, and that they had felt that they wished

631
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,119
they had spoken up against these they call themselves, by

632
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,039
the way, the del Rey mafia, and they think it's

633
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,960
like cute. And then when you say, like, gosh, you're

634
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:54,199
engaged in some mob like tactics, They're like, how dare

635
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,559
you say that I am in any way engaged in

636
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:02,800
any bad behavior? Yeahwhelmingly positive response. However, the thing that

637
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,679
I thought was interesting were the two negative emails I

638
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,079
got were definitely from people who matched that study showing

639
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:16,079
that left wing authoritarians do not perceive of themselves as authoritarian.

640
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,800
In fact, it's like incomprehensible for them to realize they're

641
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,639
engaged in authoritarian tactics. The paper that was written by

642
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:25,039
the scholar who's researching this had noted that, you know,

643
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,039
we live in a country where we have raised people

644
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,679
to witness the firing of Gina Kurano for having the

645
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,119
wrong political views, but not to understand the authoritarian impulses

646
00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:37,360
behind that decision.

647
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's been clear to me that left

648
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,000
wingers are not all, but many are incredibly intolerant Progresses.

649
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,679
Especially I've lived in their neighborhoods for years, and the

650
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,920
very notion that a conservative might to be able to

651
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,760
put up like signage like they do would be they

652
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,039
would just blow their minds that such a thing could

653
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,480
happen in their neighborhoods. And I've seen that happen. And

654
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,440
obviously the way that they I hate the word canceled,

655
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,079
but the way they just simply cannot abide by anyone

656
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,880
disagreeing with them. I actually don't think that politicians should

657
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,800
be bothered in their homes at all. I'm not saying

658
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:14,880
there's a First Amendment right to do what you want,

659
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,639
but I think it's it's it shows that the ugly

660
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,719
nature of politics and that that has invaded sort of,

661
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,800
you know, our everyday lives, which I think is just

662
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,119
a terrible, a terrible trend in American life overall.

663
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, sorry, I did want to put up a

664
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,920
sign a few years ago. I think I've mentioned this before,

665
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,760
but you know Voss Lovefavell's Power of the Powerless essay

666
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,320
about green grocers and how everyone puts up a sign

667
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,880
workers of the world unite, and how this is a

668
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,559
sign that signals to the people higher than your station

669
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,360
in life that you are not a threat, and it

670
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,519
also signals to the people below you that they can,

671
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,719
like do work with you. So if you're the green grocer,

672
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,679
you want to let shoppers know it's safe to come

673
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,239
in here, and you want to let the people who

674
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:04,639
control your distribution understand that you are a team player

675
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,039
and all that. So in my neighborhood when they put

676
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,199
up all the hate has No Home Here signs, Actually

677
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,559
my neighborhood did the weirdest opposite thing. They did what

678
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,760
I would call hate has a Home here signs. And

679
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,400
what I mean by that is during the BLM riots,

680
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,280
that's a Marxist movement. My neighborhood has no problem with that.

681
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,320
So one of the principles of this BLM movement is

682
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,440
that you have to acknowledge that you yourself are a

683
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,480
horrific sinner, a horrific racist if you actually want to

684
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,559
make things better. So if you're white, you have to acknowledge.

685
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,559
Speaker 1: This right, you're a racist, even if you don't know

686
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:39,000
it or act.

687
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,199
Speaker 2: So all my neighbors put up these signs that said

688
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,920
ending racism starts here with a map to their house,

689
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,639
and then they would put that in their front yard.

690
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Some of them still have them. And so I have

691
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,679
now for four years, more than four years, been stopping,

692
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,360
you know, like every time I walk by their house

693
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,199
with my kids, they say, a racist lives here, and

694
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,400
I want you to never be racist. Racism is wrong

695
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000
and contrary to what we believe is Christians. So like

696
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,559
I just keep doing it because they have the hate.

697
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,159
You know, hate lives inside this house signs.

698
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: It's so reminiscent of just a struggle session sort of thing.

699
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,400
You know, it is just insanity but going.

700
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: But I wanted to put up a sign that said

701
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,639
I am afraid and therefore unquestioningly obedient, because Havell says

702
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,159
that if you were to take that Workers of the

703
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:29,159
World Unite signed and translate and translated into what it

704
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,079
really means, it would mean I am afraid and therefore

705
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,159
unquestionably obedient. So I wanted to make that sign, but

706
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,599
I thought it was like way too complex and also

707
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,199
maybe too hostile to my neighbors. Now we do have,

708
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,239
by the way, right now, at this moment, people living

709
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,559
in my house have little People in my house have

710
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,440
put out signs for the political viewpoint of their choice.

711
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,079
Speaker 1: And so shouldn't there be a sign in front of

712
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,000
your house that reads I can't believe I live next

713
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,719
to all these racists or something like that. I know

714
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,760
that's what you're going for on a very high elevated

715
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,920
intellectual level, but I'm not sure that your neighbors are

716
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,239
going to know hovels gring grosser parable. But I like it.

717
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,719
I like it. I like it. Yeah, I just I

718
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,800
get again, We've gone through so many times. I get

719
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,440
that some people on the right dome like Trump. I

720
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,679
understand why they don't. However, I don't see any on

721
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,599
any level in any policy that the progressive left, which

722
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,440
has taken over the Democratic Party, any of their goals.

723
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,119
They all seem pretty authoritarian to me, from speech to

724
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,000
you know, to the entire entirety of the First Amendment

725
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:44,000
religious freedom as well economic freedom. I mean, I can't

726
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
think of what were you know, the abuse of government powers.

727
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:49,360
I saw Dennis Quaid, the actor, said that he wasn't

728
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,000
a big Trump fan, but he was going to support

729
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,719
him because after he saw, you know, that the Justice

730
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,159
Department had essentially become a you know, politicized and weaponized.

731
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,199
I mean that matters to me as well. Now I'm

732
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,159
not saying the other side perfect, but I just don't

733
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,559
see what on what level they aren't acting in a

734
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:11,559
soft or pretty hard authoritarian manner. And again the other

735
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,199
side is not perfect, but how can That's what I

736
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,199
wanted to say. So at the d n C, they

737
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,119
kept saying they were the Party of Freedom, and it

738
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,000
was just so confusing to me because it is orwelly

739
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:22,800
and their description of freedom is or well and it's

740
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,800
basically means you're going to be safe from hearing things

741
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,599
you don't like, You're going to be safe, you know, economically,

742
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:29,760
even if you know, and you know, in a risk

743
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,760
free environment, and so on and so on. I just think

744
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,280
it's very un American, I have to say, and pretty

745
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,280
scary to me at least. And as you know, I

746
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000
am not some I try not to be this, you know,

747
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:45,000
try not to use hyperbole. Is that I guess I do,

748
00:42:45,079 --> 00:42:46,800
so I don't know, but you know what I'm saying.

749
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,079
So it seems very authoritarian the most I think Kamala

750
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,599
Harris is a most authoritarian presidential candidate of a major

751
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,440
party we've ever maybe had, or maybe since Wilson.

752
00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say since Wilson, I would say. And Wilson

753
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,360
was so much more competent than I think he knew

754
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,159
exactly what he was doing. She's just a poorly educated

755
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,239
or educated in Wilsonian thinking.

756
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: She think she's that complicated, meaning does she think about

757
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,079
things in that way or is she just like whatever

758
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,559
further's power from me and my party, I will do

759
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,880
what I'm saying. I feel like she just is really

760
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,039
a liberal in her way of thinking, but not again

761
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,800
in an intellectual or very smart way, right, I mean, I.

762
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: Think I think when you look at a Wilson, he

763
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,840
really wanted to reshape America, sure or very he'd really

764
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,679
thought and spent a lot of time thinking about it.

765
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,599
With her, I think she does desire power, and I

766
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,840
think it's reflexive for her. I don't. I think that's

767
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,159
less bad than Wilson, but it's still kind of terrifying

768
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:46,800
to live through it.

769
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Well, it is. I mean, one thing I forgot to mention,

770
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,360
which is super important. I believe as far as the

771
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,639
authoritarian stuff goes, is that, as far as we know,

772
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,639
she supports packing the Supreme Court, transforming it into this

773
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,599
political or political institution that's going to be like everything else.

774
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,119
And when she does that, I really think free speech

775
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,320
and all these other authoritarian things she wants to do

776
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,440
are going to be a lot easier to achieve. And

777
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:18,840
that's important as well. Every time we move on to culture, Molly,

778
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,760
I feel like it's always the depths of despair, Like

779
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,280
you know, we were like there, you know, we're headed

780
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,320
towards authoritarianism. Now, let's talk about the records we've bought

781
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,360
this week. Did you do anything culture wise this week?

782
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 2: We went to the Reagan movie. Have you seen it?

783
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:35,519
Speaker 1: No?

784
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,119
Speaker 2: Okay, So we took the kids to the Reagan movie,

785
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,719
and I'm very glad we did it. I want to

786
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,280
talk about what was good about it first. Sure, So,

787
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,079
Dennis Quaid does a fantastic job as Reagan. I mean,

788
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:57,880
you can never quite capture that joyful spirit that Reagan had,

789
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:03,519
but when he looked like him, he had the mannerisms down.

790
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,360
I really thought he did a great job with it.

791
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,000
And I also, I'm so so bad at remembering names,

792
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:11,480
but the actress who played Nancy Davis, I thought did

793
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,760
a very good job. The Nancy Davis character was written

794
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:21,639
in a very less complicated way than she was in

795
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:24,400
real life. And it was really fun to see all

796
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
these different people, you know who in some cases I

797
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,480
know Admiral John Poindexter, you know, see him pop up

798
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,719
in the film. And also it was fun to see

799
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,320
I truly have no idea if the people in the

800
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,280
movie all shared non left wing politics, but you saw

801
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,320
a lot of people who were out conservatives playing different

802
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:45,880
roles there.

803
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: Jenelope Anne Miller, what He's Gonna Say?

804
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Mina Suvari played Jane Wyman, and it covered

805
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,119
his entire life from childhood through Alzheimer's. So it was

806
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,119
very ambitious, and I actually wonder if it wouldn't have

807
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:08,360
been better served to have a more narrow focus. The

808
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,519
focus it did have was about the summits with Gorbachev,

809
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,079
and those were really interesting to see how much he

810
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,119
cared about peace, how much he cared about peace through strength,

811
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,760
What a formidable opponent he was, you know. It was

812
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,840
just nice to remember some of these things. You know,

813
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,119
I was born after he was governor, but I lived

814
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:37,880
in California and just remembering everything from the assassination attempt

815
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:42,679
to how he made Mondale laugh with his little cut

816
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,639
about how he's not going to make his opponent's youth

817
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,000
and inexperience, he's not going to take advantage of that

818
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:50,119
during the campaign. So I liked it, and I was

819
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:52,239
really glad that my kids got to see. You know,

820
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,760
they hear us talking about Reagan so much, and they're

821
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,239
definitely studying American history and so I think it helped

822
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,719
them contextualize some of what they've been learning about the

823
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:05,639
World War. So yeah, I would definitely recommend going to

824
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:13,199
see it. I just also felt that it was, I

825
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,920
don't know, it's like more biography than biopic in some ways,

826
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:20,559
Like it was very It just covered a lot, and

827
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:22,960
I'm glad for that, but I just kind of wished

828
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:26,119
that it had if it had had a more narrow focus,

829
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:27,960
I think it could have done a better job of

830
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,320
making all the characters a little more well rounded in

831
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,119
terms of both their flaws and their goodness. It was

832
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:35,320
a bit hay giography.

833
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's I'm happy about that I think.

834
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,440
You know, obviously it's become sort of a caricature in

835
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,800
people's minds, and a lot of people feel like Republicans have,

836
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,079
you know, worship him in a way they shouldn't, and

837
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:51,400
maybe that's true as well. But what I always find

838
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,480
is that he's simplified by both sides. He was a

839
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:58,400
really serious person, Like I have his notebook somewhere, you know,

840
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,719
they published them, and he's he's really thinking about issues

841
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,400
in a far deeper way than I think most politicians

842
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,800
do today. Frankly, you know, it's not like he just landed,

843
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,000
you know, on the conservative side of you know, on

844
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:14,800
foreign policy, there is I'm not saying this conservative foreign policy,

845
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,440
but his foreign policy views, plus his economic views and stuff.

846
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,760
It was. And what I loved about him and I

847
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,440
grew up during the Reagan years, was that he was

848
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,840
one of this rare politician that actually convinced almost the

849
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,800
entire nation to think differently about the world, you know,

850
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,039
after many many years of failures of the frankly, the

851
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,360
sort of mainstream left. So that's very rare, you know,

852
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,039
And I think that as far as presidents go, he

853
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:38,320
was up there.

854
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: So if I can say one thing, about it then too.

855
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:45,840
It's that seeing the clarity that he had about the

856
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,840
threats posed by the Soviet Union, it made me feel

857
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,920
so frustrated at something we were talking about earlier about

858
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,760
China and how so many people aren't aware of the threat,

859
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:03,159
like communism is the threat. The Soviet Union no longer exists,

860
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,400
and Russia, while an adversary, is not communist, we do

861
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:13,320
have a communist empire in the world, and people treat

862
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,719
it like it's not and they work to see how

863
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,239
to help it achieve its economic goals. They're not, you know,

864
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,599
when you think about how even the Left wasn't fully

865
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,000
in bed with the Soviet Union. They weren't doing a

866
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,800
ton of business with the Soviet Union. Companies kind of

867
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
understood that we were in this Cold War and that

868
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,119
you wouldn't be trying to make sure that the Soviet

869
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:39,679
Union was able to achieve all of its economic goals.

870
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,480
But we just have a lot of unseerious people. We're

871
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,079
in a much better place now than we were in

872
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:48,480
twenty sixteen in terms of understanding the threat post by China.

873
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,119
But even just like how rarely people point out that

874
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,159
it's read China, it's the Communist Party of China that

875
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,679
runs China just very different from where we all were

876
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:00,880
during the heyday the Soviet Union.

877
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,039
Speaker 1: I agree generally, but I think people need to remember

878
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:08,920
when you have Russia, Russia has a sphere of influence

879
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,480
they care about, you know, traditionally, going backbeat before communism,

880
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:18,159
Communism is a universalist ideology. They want the whole world

881
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,280
to be Communists. Now, I don't think Chinese are good communists.

882
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
They remind me a fascist in many way more but

883
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,159
they don't think about the world the same way that

884
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,519
up Putin does. In my view, Utin doesn't want to

885
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,039
spread Putonism to Idaho. He has a sphere and influence

886
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,000
he's worried about, So that is the main difference. I

887
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,039
think in Reagan understood that communists were trying to spread

888
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:39,360
their ideology to the Central America so forth. Unfortunately, there's

889
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,440
a resurgence in it in certain places. But yeah, I

890
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,719
agree with you. So I'm happy this movie was good.

891
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:48,960
I planned on seeing it. I'm happy. I was kind

892
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,039
of surprised because Dennis Quoid is not one of these

893
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,800
sort of fringe actors. He's actually a pretty big actor.

894
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,599
He's been in a lot of big stuff. So for

895
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:57,360
him to take on the roll and then actually support

896
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,760
Trump is a weird, weird thing to see.

897
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,119
Speaker 2: I got to meet him at the Republican Convention.

898
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,599
Speaker 1: Oh he was there. I didn't know.

899
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was coming out of makeup as he

900
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:10,440
was coming into makeup for a hit on Fox and

901
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,480
and he was there, and I was like, oh, Dennis Quaid,

902
00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:15,400
you know. And then I went to get my I

903
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,760
was getting my hair done. This is way too much detail.

904
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,440
And I realized, like, oh, that was someone I had

905
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
a major crush on in my youth, Like I mean,

906
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,119
like I thought he was super hot. And I was like,

907
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,239
this isn't good that it took me this long to

908
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,199
remember that I had a crush on this person.

909
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: He was. He's very American, you know what I mean.

910
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,000
It's not like he could play international spy. He always

911
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,360
needs to play sort of very American rules like the

912
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,360
president or you know or something like that. Yeah, he's

913
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,320
been around a long time, he said. He's a good actor.

914
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,880
How about is insane? Brothers, he's like a Republican Still,

915
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,800
I don't even know what's up with you?

916
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 2: Like that guy?

917
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's wild.

918
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: Did you ever watch The Big Easy.

919
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, with Ellen Barkin or no, it was with didn't

920
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,440
just talk.

921
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,079
Speaker 2: About this a few weeks ago. I feel like we're

922
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,039
literally repeating from a few big easy now maybe someone

923
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:06,079
else that about.

924
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,079
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan, wasn't he? I forget Okaylen Bark.

925
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: I did want to also mention really quickly that I

926
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,760
saw Double Indemnity. That's one of the few movies that

927
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,440
I'll watch like over and over again. And the kids

928
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,599
wanted to see it, so we we watched it. It's

929
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:21,960
you know, those are bad people in there. And I

930
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:24,199
just love Fred McMurray.

931
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: It's weird to seeing him in that role after watching

932
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,760
him growing up as my three sons the dad.

933
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: It's just really well done. Highly recommend doublin Dimnity. Okay,

934
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,000
I'm done.

935
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: I only watched one thing that I can remember was

936
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,880
a documentary on Albert Brooks called Defending My Life. Have

937
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:41,679
you seen that? Oh?

938
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,639
Speaker 2: No, but I will do that when I wrote today.

939
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: Yeah nice. You know as a ever, you know, many

940
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,400
people know his real name was Albert Einstein and all that,

941
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,239
and it's just he has unfortunately. Listen a lot of

942
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,280
it takes place at a dinner table with him talking

943
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,119
to his best friend Carl Reiner, who insane on Twitter,

944
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,239
but it was still okay. I could get over that.

945
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,079
Guy is such a clown that I could get over

946
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,920
get over it, So that was really good. I'm a

947
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,920
fan of Albert Brooks. Then when I was I was,

948
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
I spent my time last week upstate New York, which

949
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:17,840
I love, visiting friends and Adaron Dykes, which are just

950
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,559
so freaking beautiful. I love it. I went to two

951
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,400
record stores I found time and they were they blew

952
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,880
my mind. I just have to say. I was in

953
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Schenectady and the place was called Love Vinyl. This is

954
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:30,760
like the best record store I've ever been. And they

955
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,840
had experimental section, like ambient section, and classical music. It

956
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,800
was just fantastic. It was in a place you would

957
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never imagine that such a great record store would be in.

958
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And then I was in Albany and I went to

959
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a place called Again on a side street in a

960
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,119
neighborhood you'd never expect to see it, but it was

961
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called Last Vestige and that too a lot of great

962
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,639
used records. I don't know. We have listeners who live

963
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,280
up there and are interested in vinyl, they should definitely

964
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visit anyway, that's what I did, So I didn't watch

965
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a lot of TV. I'm actually rewatching Justified. I do

966
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,840
that once a year. I think it's my favorite to

967
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:09,239
show of all time. And that's all. That's all I've done. Okay,

968
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okay again, if you'd like to write the show, please

969
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,480
do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We

970
00:54:16,639 --> 00:54:18,320
love to get your mail and.

971
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 2: Until next week's I'm sorry to but did you see

972
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,800
that email from the runway from the RFK Junior Oh

973
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,880
my god, he was But no, I loved it when

974
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,880
when I was like raving about the RFK junior speech

975
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,480
and he was like, where have you been? He's been

976
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,719
giving this speech for a year and a half.

977
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: He did not like our ignorance on the RFK topic.

978
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:42,840
He was so mad that I didn't know the VPS

979
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,159
VP's name, which I think is Nicole Shanahan.

980
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, but I loved that email and it made

981
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,800
me realize that there are these areas, these blind spots

982
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that I have that I need to work on.

983
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,079
Speaker 1: I have to say I do read most of them

984
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,880
unless I see it's like nine hundred paragraphs. I have

985
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,079
to say I do this game first to see if

986
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:02,599
I'm going to be yelled at it or not. If

987
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:04,440
I'm not being yelled at, I'll probably. If I am

988
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,400
being yelled at, I move on.

989
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Speaker 2: But anyway, sorry to interrupt that going.

990
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Speaker 1: No, it's okay. I was on the runway. I had

991
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,440
a good, perfectly timed but manx. Anyway, we'll be back.

992
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We'll read your emails. Until then, be lovers of freedom

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and anxious for a friend.