Speaker 1: You are now listening to soft Core History.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome in officially to Halloween whoor Nights.
I'm your host for the week, Damn re Jester, joined
as always by Rob Fox.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: And we've got a very special guest. You know him,
you love him. He's been on the show many times before.
Matthew Cooper Coop.
Speaker 4: Happy to be here. Thanks for having me, dude, it's
been a while since I've been on here.
Speaker 2: Welcome to my couch.
Speaker 4: It has been I love the studio setup.
Speaker 3: I think the couch is an upgrade, straight up no
cap like absolute the best version of the set we've had.
Speaker 2: We even upgraded the spiderwebs.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought it was like a ghost ship and
those were fish nets? Could be that? Yeah, like it
was It's the Mary Celeste, which.
Speaker 2: We did on Patreon Softcore History. We've officially started Halloween Hornets,
but this is the first episode for the year on
the YouTube on the on the main main Yeah.
Speaker 4: Are these spider webs gonna stay year round like the
last ones? Or are these ones coming down after No?
Speaker 2: I gotta see how I feel about it.
Speaker 4: I mean it look pretty good.
Speaker 2: Look, but you are right. They give more of a
ship net.
Speaker 3: I'm not calling them spider webs. This is full on
fishing net.
Speaker 2: And they were on discount at a Targets.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe that's why nobody wanted them, Like, oh yeah,
those aren't spider webs. You you go, you go fishing
with that.
Speaker 2: Maybe I can catch a meal.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, this looks like the type of
thing a hobo shop list from Target goes to the
local creek and gets a meal with Lake Austin. Yeah,
I go to paddle board catch an alligator.
Speaker 2: There are some gators in there. Yeah, people forget Wait
where Lake Austin. There's some gators in Lake Austintown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shut the fuck up. Yeah, dude, I have spent
so much time in that lake thinking that it was safe.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of bodies in there.
Speaker 3: First, people die in it constantly. It's not safe.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but I can swim. I was taught when
I was a kid. But dude, those alligators. I'm not
gonna fuck with the alligators.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's gators in there, for sure.
Speaker 2: I like algators get a bad rap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but one day one of them is going to
kill someone.
Speaker 2: Or me, I'm gonna paddle up to it and go
pet it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's gonna absolutely rep you the pieces.
Speaker 2: People don't know this. In Florida, you can pet the gators.
They're docile.
Speaker 3: They're not They're straight up not. Also, Lake Austin is
like a gators paradise because I don't know if you
know about gators, I think crocs two, but gators.
Speaker 2: No one's expecting it in like Austin.
Speaker 3: No, I know. It's the funny you Your last thought
before dying from a gator in Lake Austin is what
the fucking what it's like getting attacked by a lion
in Chicago, Like, it's just not supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Now, that's spooky. Yeah, I mean there is a very
realistic chance you get attacked by a tiger here in
Texas as well. Well, that's just I believe there's more
tigers at gas stations or in containment in Texas than
in the wild. That's true, there are there, they're last Louisiana.
Speaker 4: Yeah, more tigers in captivity in Texas than there are
still living in the wild.
Speaker 3: One used to live in my in laws neighborhood. Yep,
it escaped in Houston, somebody's poolhouse, some cartel member. Basically, yeah,
they moved after that, not because of that.
Speaker 2: Well, Coop, thanks for joining us. Happy to be officially
Halloween wher nits spooky season, spooky season spoo. Yeah, and
what better way to start than to cash in on
some sweet sweet se o.
Speaker 3: What's the I don't even know what the seo would
be right now?
Speaker 2: Ed Gean Ah, Yes, notoriously hot because Charlie Unham blays
him now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, definitely was.
Speaker 3: They made him hot.
Speaker 4: But have you guys, have you seen the pictures of
Charlie Huntum dressed up his ed Geen. They they did
a pretty good job because it is still Charlie Hunum.
When I first heard that it was going to be
Charlie Hunum, I was like, this is this is absolutely retarded.
Why would anybody cast a sex symbol as ed Geene.
Then they kind of like he looks kind of like
Billy Bob Thornton from sling Blade. Now okay, so roughly
on the same level as Billy Bob Thornton where it's
like he he landed Angelina Jolie. But he does look
kind of retarded in the show all right.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you can do wonders with makeup these days,
But do you know much about him? I don't know
jack shit about ed Geek. I think did he wear
people's skin? We'll get to it, Okay, I think that's
all I know. But yeah, I don't know what spoilers did.
Speaker 4: He's one of the most influential serial killers that wasn't
actually a serial killer. That's the most surprising thing technically.
But also yeah, he was, I mean a bit. Well,
we'll get into it in the episode, I'm sure, but
I don't really classify him as a serial killer.
Speaker 2: You need more than two bodies, uh well, and you
need confirmed bodies.
Speaker 4: You need a pattern. He If anything, he was a
product killer, which serial killers can be. But I still
don't He was just to me, just a damaged little
mama's boy.
Speaker 2: Oh, he certainly was. Let's just get into that.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Edward Theodor Geen was born in Lacrosse, Wisconsin, in August
of nineteen oh six. He was the second son of
George and Augusta. Gusa is a weird name for a woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's a classic name, goes all the
way back to Rome, it is, But now it sounds
a little odd, even than the nineteen hundred. It seems
a little weird. You know, there were a lot of
Augusta Georgia. My grandma's name was Mercedes. Really yeah, yeah, no,
that was she was born before the car. That's not true.
I'm pretty sure. No, but the car was just named
after a woman. She was born like at the same time.
Did Mercedes have connections to the Axis, No, that's a
British situation. I think we sure, Yeah, I'm pretty positive.
I'll look it up.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I thought Mercedes was a German name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought they had like Axis ties and Mercedes
Benz let's see.
Speaker 2: Along with obviously Volkswagen, and we know Volkswagen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Volkswagen. Obviously the people's car, the chosen people's well
not the chosen people chosen people's car. Yeah, well you
look that up.
Speaker 3: I will look that up. Uh yeah, yeah, okay, So
it's German for sure.
Speaker 4: Were they not making engines for the German plane? Who
was making the engines for the German planes had to
be Mercedes, I would think so, because Rolls Royce was
making the engine for the British place.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they weren't invented by the Nazis like Volkswagen. Basically, Okay,
they aided the Nazis with what I was. You know,
we all aid the Nazis did.
Speaker 4: PSIM did so.
Speaker 2: Coca Cola was the soda for the Allies, and I
believe PEPSI chose the.
Speaker 4: Axis PEPSI made that is, was PEPSI involved with Fanta.
Speaker 2: Pepsi, I believe just was neutral. They're like, we'll still
supply the axis with premium cola.
Speaker 4: And we all love the neutral countries in World War Two. Yeah, Dick,
it wasn't. I don't know. I think Coke might have
been a subs I think Fanta might have been a
subsidiary of Coca Cola because they still had they had
the production over in Germany, but they couldn't. Yes, you're right,
they couldn't sell coke over there and still be an
American brand anyway.
Speaker 3: Augusta not a weird name for nineteen oh six.
Speaker 2: It's father was known to be an abusive alcoholic, and
he would beat ed AND's older brother, Henry until there
their ears wrung. He was a carpenter, tanner, firefighter, even
owned his own grocery store before moving the family onto
one hundred and fifty five acre farm in Plainfield, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: That he owned. Yeah, they owned it. How'd he get
a loan for that? Like, all right, let's see it
could own anything. Back then, it was life was easy.
I mean it was harder in a lot of ways,
but you could get a loan like, no, you can get.
Speaker 2: A house for nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Banks really didn't care. We talk about like the
mortgage crisis. Like, man, they were giving out loans to anybody.
But you just walk in with enough nickels in your satchel,
you'd be a homeowner.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Somehow. Their mother was worse though. Augusta took advantage of
having her sons isolated on their farm, keeping them away
from civilization as much as possible.
Speaker 3: My good boys, my beautiful boys.
Speaker 2: She would read them scripture every afternoon, but stuck to
the classics in the Old Testament and the Book of
Revelations about murder, death and divine retribution.
Speaker 3: Better content. Yeah, let's just be honest. The Gospels are
dogshit content.
Speaker 4: But they're boring as hell.
Speaker 2: I yeah, so I grew up always I never get
out of here.
Speaker 4: That's not enough to interest me. While I fall asleep.
When I was growing up though, like I was in
a very very devoutly religious Christian family, my dad was.
But I know it gets glossed over a lot. It
was a Christian cult, the Worldwide Church of God shout out.
But yeah. When I would go to bed and I
wanted any sort of bedtime story for my dad, it
would always be biblical stories, and primarily it was Revelations
or the story of Jonah in the Whale. Oh, I
love Jonah in the.
Speaker 3: Way Joanah's kind of fun. Revelations feels not for children, Yes,
a little spooky. You want a story about four horses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jonah's just Pinocchio.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the booth get swallowed by a whale. It's
really finding Nemo too that point. I they can swallow
by whale at one point too.
Speaker 2: Also, Jonah not a real boy.
Speaker 3: Jonah, I don't remember. I don't know anything about Jonah's story.
Speaker 2: Something also grew, just not on his face.
Speaker 3: He got he got hard in the whale.
Speaker 4: Did Jonah have a boner? Was he like John?
Speaker 2: That's how he got out.
Speaker 3: He fucked his way out, just like John McAfee. He
fucked his way to freedom. Oh yeah, through that blowhold
for Jonah.
Speaker 2: They would be hammered about the evils of the outside world, alcohol,
often inciting their father, who she felt was totally worthless,
and the device of the devil known as women.
Speaker 3: Mmmm, it's not heard though, otherwise you're right, there's only
one good woman in this player of the daddy. It's me.
Don't you trust another another woman. Don't let her show
you a flower.
Speaker 2: You're not that far off, Like you're kind of nailing it.
Edward would become obsessed and idolize his own mother. There's
a story about ed having his first sexual arousal and
orgasm during childhood after watching his mother slaughter a pig
behind a shed.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just a normal farm boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I look just I think that I'm not sure we've
cleared the hurdle that that isn't a normal first farm
boy orgasm. Like if you grew up on a farm,
I'm not sure the first time you blasted your pants isn't.
Speaker 2: Like you're not blanking at this. This doesn't surprise you.
Speaker 4: No, well, realistically speaking, like again, gone back to the
way that I grew up. I grew up in a very,
very rural area and any sort of sex education was
completely off the table. Right. So the first time that
I ever had the opportunity to ask any questions about
anything like that was the first time that I saw
farm animals banging.
Speaker 3: So you had to be like your question was scientific
at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get hard from it, but I mean
a little bit more time, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have blamed you.
Speaker 2: Now you also saw, I believe, like your eight or
nine year old friend chased down a pig and slid
its throat right in front of you.
Speaker 4: Jumped on his back and slid his throat. Yeah, his
name was Clint. That kid was a fucking badass. Tell me,
at like eight years old, he's tougher than I'll ever
be in my entire life.
Speaker 3: Why did he need to do it?
Speaker 4: They were just slaughtering one of their pigs. I didn't
know that it was coming.
Speaker 2: Okay, like we have a guest, we need to make supper, Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like something that they were gonna do anyway,
I just didn't They said that they were gonna slaughter
one of their pigs. But then as soon as we
got out next to the corral, his Dad just handed
them a knife and it was like, go get them, Clint,
and then just Clint took off running out into the
CORRALA jumped on the pig's back and then just slid
its throat and I was fucking horrified.
Speaker 3: Hell, did you eat it?
Speaker 2: Now where you were?
Speaker 4: We didn't As far as I know, we didn't eat
that one that night. I think they were just getting
that out of the way because they had to breed
it and slaughter it and everything.
Speaker 3: That's true. I didn't know. I was actually curious if
they were just doing the whole thing right there, Like
you got there at two o'clock and they were like, yeah,
we're gonna chop it up, have the pork chops ready
for dinner.
Speaker 4: That that actually would have been kind of cool if
I was expecting it.
Speaker 3: You feel anything downstairs or no? No?
Speaker 4: I trilled a little bit. I was intimidated by Clint.
After that. It's like, this kid's a fucking.
Speaker 3: Bad Yeah, he knows how Clint. Clint gets up and
he's like, that's a wound.
Speaker 4: Just kill build a butcher.
Speaker 2: When Ed was twelve, his mother caught him masturbidden and
grabbed and tugged his balls calling them the curse of
man before putting them in hot water to punish.
Speaker 4: Him, and that didn't make him hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should have just been gooping all over her
at that point. I mean, just actual full on fire hosing.
What's weird is as a father that has actually come
back around in baby baby books, a lot of baby
books will recommend doing that.
Speaker 2: To put your baby's balls in hot water.
Speaker 3: If they get an erection too early before six months,
you're supposed to dip their scrotums in boiling hot water.
Speaker 2: Where are these books from?
Speaker 3: When are they dated? When are they dated? They're dated present,
I which you wouldn't call them books so much as
neatly stapled pamphlets from our own church.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which again, you guys don't go to a Catholic
church because of your wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Every time I complain about it, she just like
pretty much does weird sex stuff to me to convince
me otherwise.
Speaker 2: And you end up in a strip mall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 3: So if you see me walking out of a Baptist church,
I've just gotten a rusty trombone in the last forty
eight hours.
Speaker 2: Somehow, she eventually let Egg go off to school. But
would punish him if he attempted to make friends or
interact too much with other.
Speaker 5: Kids doing talking to that boy. You know where that
boy is, daddy a banker. Banker sells the wholes in
a hole, Give me a ball.
Speaker 2: Because of this, classmutes and teachers described him as shy
and strange. Often laughed in uncomfortable situations, which I can
relate to. I actually used to always laugh in front
of my coach's face, as if they yelled at me,
because he felt uncomfortable as a kid. Yeah, whenever I
was uncomfortable, I would just smile or laugh.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's not helpful.
Speaker 2: So my eighth grade coach tried to fight me because
I laughed in his face. He was smaller than me
at the time, so I threw him down.
Speaker 4: Well, he tried to fight you when you were he
got my face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like he went to push me, and
I just kind of like grabbed his arms and threw
him down. Oh, and then I didn't get to start
the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I sat on the bench the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Shit jumps on your back and sleep your throat.
Speaker 2: He also had a slight growth that caused him to
have a lazy eye and a lesion on his tongue
that caused him to speak a bit weird. So I'm
sure that didn't help a social interaction.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna make your friends. It's not gonna make
your friends, especially back then. So it's the nineteen twenties
for his mom. Yeah, yeah, genetics helped her out in.
Speaker 2: A deformed little freak who's now being played by one
of the hottest men in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: But like the things that children would call weird kids
or retarded kids, let's just call it the nineteen seventies
was jaw dropping. Go back to the twenties and I
think the literally you could just smack them with sticks
all day and it was not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I think you're allowed to beat them, yeah, and call
them a mongoloid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like truly. I randomly, I've never actually seen this movie,
but I randomly got served a clip of Bad News Bears, uh,
and they're like, man, there's like a dumb caption like
kids movies used to hit different and it was like
five and we're from an eight.
Speaker 2: Year old or were they reading Huckleberry Finn.
Speaker 3: No, No, he was using them descriptively for his teammates
who fit that description, gotcha, Yeah, did he have the pass? No? No,
he was like, this team's full of n words bis jews.
I was like, good god, I have not seen this movie.
And then Jackie Arl Haley gets in a fight with
kids who call him a fag a bunch of times,
which I was like, I mean, that's era accurate. That
would have been accurate to me. No, that's the movie
in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Were past being monetized at this point for this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I'm just saying, it's what's in
the fucking movie. I'm the and words the only one
I'm not gonna say. I will repeat what someone else said,
coward all the way up.
Speaker 2: Fine, you want me to bleep it up to make
us sound like you said that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Ed dropped out of school in eighth grade but continued
to be an avid reader. Henry and Ed would remain
on the arm into their thirties.
Speaker 3: Good Boys, Strong Boss. Really, all I'm thinking about is
just that X Files episode where they where they fucked
the nugget.
Speaker 2: I'm familiar somebody nugget.
Speaker 4: The mom underneath the bed or something.
Speaker 3: Under the boards. Oh yeah, yeah, so like these three
like inbred brothers. Uh, just like kept their mom and
they like sowed off her arms and legs and they
just like nugget banger. And then she gets pregnant and
they have to take the even more target kids and
like just bury them in.
Speaker 2: The Isn't that kind of the case in Bone Tomahawk
did bone Tomahawk?
Speaker 3: It's not their own mom though, it's just I understand that.
But there's just they nuggeted them nuggets. They are given birth, yeah,
but they also care. They also took their eyes out
and this lady she still had her eyes. And when
Moulden is Gully Finder, she's.
Speaker 6: Like, my boys is such good boys, such sweet bush
good boss and they all just like take terms like
drilling their quadruple amputee mother, who they quadruple amputee.
Speaker 2: That's dark, I mean it fits for this episode.
Speaker 3: That episode was banned from Fox for like a decade.
Speaker 2: Their mother made them promise they'd never leave her alone
with their useless father, who was drinking away the family money.
On April Fool's Day, nineteen forty, Ed's father, George, finally
dies of a heart attack at the age of sixty six.
Speaker 4: Damn, that's older than I was expecting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to help pay the bills. Ed now thirty four
and his brother, who's five years older, so like thirty nine,
got odd jobs around town, working as handymen, and became
reliable and respected members of the community.
Speaker 3: Okay, good for them. Like, oh, those fine boys finally left.
Their mom must be too old to hold them back.
Speaker 2: Ed even babysat for neighbors, saying he related more to
kids than adults.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that checks out completely true.
Speaker 2: He didn't really have a childhood Michael Jackson situation.
Speaker 3: I was about to I was literally about to say,
very much like Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson was very much like ed Gean.
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe not. Well, I don't know. They both had
victims allegedly, Allegedly, no one's proven ed Green was guilty.
Speaker 2: In nineteen forty two, ed was eligible for the draft
because World War Two is going on and had to
go to Milwaukee for a physical exam.
Speaker 3: That he thirty six at that point forty two, Yeah,
something like that.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's really pushing it, but yeah, World War II,
that makes sense.
Speaker 2: All hands on deck.
Speaker 3: My grandpa was in the battle of the Bulge at
the age of thirty three.
Speaker 4: Thirty three, Yeah, god damn, he was an old band
compared to everybody else.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, platoon commander of the tank platoon.
But yeah, he was. He was born in nineteen twelve.
Speaker 2: Again, not a veteran though.
Speaker 3: The Bulge, it's on a VHS now, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've seen that one.
Speaker 3: It's pretty rough, a lot of I'll just put it
this way. It's a man named Sherman who keeps just
sticking his cannon where it doesn't belong. In my grandpa's butt.
Speaker 2: Because of Milwaukee for a physical exam that he fails
thanks to the growth on his eyelid that impaired his vision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it never sounded like he was getting in.
Speaker 2: No, but it was the farthest he ever traveled in
his life. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: But if they are, like, if they're pulling people in
and at roughly what thirty six years old at this point,
oldest person I knew in basic training was thirty four,
and he looked like a goddamn old man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4: But even if they're if they're desperate enough to bring
in people that are in their late thirties, like mid
to late thirties. I would think that just a little
growth on the eye they could probably.
Speaker 3: Overlook, especially if it's like, all right, well, we can't
send you to the front lines, but you can do
dogshit logistical.
Speaker 4: Work, or even then just send them out to the
front lines. They don't need to see anything to block
the bullets for other people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, go skip through that minefield, special boy
with scalded testicles whatever.
Speaker 2: Henry began dating a divorced mother of two and was
planning to move in with his new family.
Speaker 4: First downturn his life so far.
Speaker 2: Henry and their own mother, though, became more and more
distant due to this, and he would often criticize her
in front of Ed, worrying about his brother's attachment issues.
Speaker 3: You're like Ed, he told us. She told she made
us not have sex until we were like forty, ED,
wake up. ED. I don't know. I lock her, I give,
I don't know. I like the way she kill for pigs.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ed was reportedly shocked and hurt from these comments, and
in nineteen forty four, his brother was mysteriously found dead
faced down on their farm.
Speaker 3: Well, he did get a kill during the war. Good
for him, was there?
Speaker 4: Did you happen to see any details about his brother,
because I've heard a lot of theories that his brother
was his technically his first victim. Yeah, but it was
never actually proven.
Speaker 3: It's not proven.
Speaker 2: So after Ed had lost control of a brush burning fire,
the local fire department was needed to put it out.
While doing so, Henry's body was found, but no foul
play was suspected. Believing Ed was incapable of harmon anyone,
let alone his own brother.
Speaker 3: They just thought he was too simple to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, kinda.
Speaker 3: I liked it. They're just like, oh, that's no, No,
it didn't do it. The retard he watches our babies
while we're away for hours. He would never hurt someone.
The simpleton who we put into are the care of
our children, into the arms of They wouldn't kill anyone.
Speaker 4: The guy with the boiled balls hill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, despite having a giant bruise on his head. The
official list of his death was asphyxiation from the fire.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, and this was a brushfire.
Speaker 2: So he was burning brush and Ed was lost control
of it and it kind of spread on its property.
Speaker 4: So his brother just somehow ended up with a bruise
on his head in a field plenty of places to escape.
Speaker 3: I guess it makes sense if you, you know, start
asphyxiating and you fall down or something. Maybe who the
fuck knows.
Speaker 2: And apparently he had been dead for longer than you know.
The fire would vindicated right right, right, But you know
who's gonna investigate that?
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 4: He had one of those famous pre mortem asphyxiations.
Speaker 3: Look, there's a war on pile time to investigate a meta.
Speaker 2: Their mother, Augustus, suffered a stroke shortly after, and Ed
devoted himself to her care until she suffered a second
stroke and died on December twenty ninth, nineteen forty five.
Ed was devastated, losing his only friend in the world
in one true.
Speaker 3: Love, possibly the only woman to ever make him come Certainly.
Speaker 2: He boarded up her bedroom and living room to preserve
them as if they were and she was still alive.
He would eventually go up to board up all of
the farm, but two rooms only have an access to
a small room in the kitchen next door, so he
didn't want to like taint anything that would have had
the scent or I guess items of his mother.
Speaker 3: He wanted to remember the better times, you know, the
happy times when he was getting erections while his mom
did farm work and boiled his balls, and before his
brother took on some used flower that pushed out to
sin meat sacks. Fucking kids. She had to be so
mad about that, a divorced woman in the forties who
shoved two out already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even even the people that were well adjusted did
not look kindly on that.
Speaker 3: No, No, Henry's a weirdo too though. He was living
on the farm with his brother and mom. I get
and then he finally got laid and he was like, dude,
this is it, Dude, we have been living fucked up live.
Speaker 2: His already unkempt appearance gets worse and neighbors start to
comment on how bad he starts to smell. Yeah, he
worked odd jobs to get by and eventually got a
bail out from the government with a farm subsidy in
nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 4: While we're just throwing money around eighty.
Speaker 2: Acres of his own land, so sells land that he
owns already, and then that farm subsidy in nineteen fifty one.
It's smooth sailing from there.
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, just living off that subsidy life to do
what What did he get to subsidy four?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because they owned a farm, so you
just get a check.
Speaker 3: Probably. It's a classic Simpsons quote, Grandpa, didn't you wonder
why you were getting checks in the mail? No? I
just thought the Democrats were in power again.
Speaker 2: Ed spent the majority of his time reading POLP magazines
and adventure stories, particularly those involving cannibals and Nazi atrocities.
Speaker 4: Now that's where the real problem comes from. Nothing to
do with his mom, so goddamn comic books.
Speaker 2: He became fascinated by ill, a cock who would make
tattooed concentration victims and make lamp shades and other household
items out of their skin.
Speaker 3: Was that a real person? Was that?
Speaker 4: I think was the Bitch of Bukenwald?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's her nickname. Good She's a real Nazi yet.
Speaker 4: Big, big, burly woman. Have you ever seen a picture
of her? She looks like a fucking rug.
Speaker 3: Was she Gestapo?
Speaker 4: I think she was right. I don't know if she
was Gestapo. I know that she was definitely watching over
a concentration camp, and she was the one that everybody
was afraid of even the other guards.
Speaker 2: God forbid, you're a Jewish man with the tattoo, which, hey,
you're already going to go to hell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jews with tattoos.
Speaker 3: Who's oh good lord, this woman is terrified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a brute.
Speaker 4: Are you looking at Elsa?
Speaker 3: She survived, but she died happily.
Speaker 4: She wasn't executed.
Speaker 3: She lived until nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: What that's not that's not great.
Speaker 4: I thought for sure that she was executed. That's insane,
because she like she would walk from from what I've heard,
she would walk around the concentration camp like dressed scantily clad.
She would look like a dominant trix and she would
just beat the shit out of the prisoner.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, okay, she did go to prison
and just eventually killed herself in prison. I mean that's
a happy story, I suppose good enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, you know, they sound like she died
in the suburbs of Des Moines.
Speaker 3: I say what you want about making lampshades out of people,
but we've done episodes on this podcast where Wyoming prisons
used to take the death row people and after they
were died, they'd make fucking shoes out of them, and shit,
they'd play in those shoes. Yeah, then they'd go play
ball in those shoes.
Speaker 4: That's a really fitting reference for this episode.
Speaker 3: M How does he like baseball? He loves baseball? Baseball guy.
Speaker 4: He likes tanning, arts and crafts. Okay.
Speaker 2: He also got really into the topics of head shrinking
and human anatomy. He starts visiting his mother's grave and
ultimately digs up her body, rips her head off the
corpse with his bare hands, and shrinks her head to
keep him at his home or keep the head at
his home?
Speaker 4: Aw as you do?
Speaker 2: Oh, shrunk in head though, would be a little little
How does he shrink it? How did you shrink any head?
Speaker 4: Is it confirmed that shrunk and heads are real? I
don't know, because I don't know how the fuck that works.
I've heard that you have to somehow remove the skull
because obviously the skull is not gonna shrink, right, okay,
and then you just boil the rest.
Speaker 3: That sounds easy.
Speaker 2: You don't like pickle it, you.
Speaker 4: Must you have to do something to get it to
shrink down. I've seen, like in real life at the
Ripley's believe in it or not museum in California. Yeah,
they had alleged shrunken heads there.
Speaker 3: Okay, he doesn't. Okay, now that doesn't sound that hard
because all you need to do is just cut out
the back. You only see the front. Really, you only
show the front. Just cut out the back, pop the
skull out.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me you didn't believe it.
Speaker 4: Uh, yeahve it or not? I didn't.
Speaker 3: He says, believe it or not, you are given the option.
Speaker 2: Natalie visits to other cemeteries became a regular occurrence. After
reading obituaries in the paper. He targeted newly buried, middle
aged women to dig up and dissect to help assemble
a woman suit so he could literally crawl into their skin.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: He also kind of would see if women somewhat resembled
his mother.
Speaker 3: Oh, he wanted someone. He wanted to find someone who
looked like mom.
Speaker 4: So the psychology behind that has always confused me. Because
he was obsessed with his mom. That that makes sense,
but I would think that he would want to recreate
his mom as opposed to becoming his mother.
Speaker 2: We create the skin suit which he's gonna wear.
Speaker 4: He's not going to like stuff it and turn it
into a mannequin that he can cuddle up with or
anything like that.
Speaker 3: Right, literally, why not both? This ed gene is literally
like half Psycho half Silence of the Lamps.
Speaker 4: It's you're picking up on some things very good reference.
Speaker 3: I mean literally psycho. He dresses up like his normen
no man and then signs the lambs he wears ladies. Okay,
we'll just get to that.
Speaker 2: Ed Gaan has said to be the inspiration for Norman
Dates and Psycho, leather Face and Texas Chainsaw Massacre and
Buffalo Bill. In Silence of the Lambs, I nailed that one,
so props to you.
Speaker 3: It's not a it's not a like difficult thing to guess.
You just need to have watched more than twenty movies
in the last forty years. They're gonna fucking You're gonna
fucking pick up on it. Leather Face I didn't think
of though.
Speaker 4: I think leather Face out of him is the biggest stretch.
It's just wearing somebody else's face that they kind of
got from ed gans.
Speaker 3: And also leather Face is just like, uh a real
psych like just like a like a hardcore like linebacker
motherfucker running with a chainsaw, like a real brute. Gene
doesn't strike me as a bruise.
Speaker 2: Right, He's not a Gan, fully, He's yeah, an amalgamation
of multiple people.
Speaker 3: I think ed Gan just like taught people like, oh
you could wear you could wear someone else's skin. I'm
writing that down. Face off. Yeah, at gen Nick Cage
inspired by was it in Cage or Travolta? That was
the Gaen character?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it had to be. Had to be Nick Cage
in face Off? Yeah, he was. Nick Cage was one.
His character was Castro Troy. He was the one that
had the idea to take John Travolz's face off.
Speaker 3: So Travolta was originally the FBI agent or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, seems like you didn't watch that movie. Huh,
I did not in your last forty years.
Speaker 3: Not a big WU guy, Not a WU guy, Not
a WU guy.
Speaker 4: Was that John Wu that did that? Yeah? Oh god,
that's gotta be one of his worst movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's a good movie. The worst film of
all time by far. And this is relevant because it
is a history movie in the boom of World War
Two movies that came out after Saving Private Ryan that
the one that stands out as the most stunningly abysmal
is Wind Talkers, starring Nick Natives. It's no John Wu
hates the Natives.
Speaker 4: Wait John John Wu did Wind Talkers?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No fucking way, Yeah, holy shit, that blows my goddamn mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the worst films I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: In my whole for you, there's like, no, there's no
war movie that I really dislike. It's kind of like
shark movies. If it's about sharks or war, I'm generally
gonna love it. Yeah, but Wind Talkers is up there
with I could barely even finish it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, it's unbelievably bad. Like the script is insane,
like the side conversation they have, like at one point
Christian Slater's they're just like walking on patrol and they're like,
what are you gonna do after the war? What am
I a wall? Heard of this? He's literally his line
is like, heard of this new thing called yogurt? You
could put strawberries in it? I want to invest in that.
It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy.
Speaker 4: So when Tucker's was really just a tcby origins, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, dude, And at another point. This definitely didn't happen.
I think in real life, the Adam Beach's character, the
main like native American character. They're like pinned down in
order to do and he starts like putting on a
Japanese uniform, and Nicholas Cage Whatever's like, what are you doing?
He's like, I look like a nip. I can get
can sneak in there. I look like a nip, all right,
So we're just going with every insult other than the
M word. Today, I'm quote that's the other end word.
I'm quoting the fucking movie. He's screaming it, like into camera,
and my first thought is like, no, you don't, No,
you don't know.
Speaker 4: You definitely don't.
Speaker 3: No Japanese person's gonna be fooled by you, too dark.
You look like a fucking Native American, not a Japanese person.
It's fucking well, they both have gray hair. Yeah, true,
they both have.
Speaker 4: Thick black hair but growing facial hair.
Speaker 3: But like it, I mean, moment after moment of stunning.
At one point, they use stock footage from Desert Storm
to show a battleship shooting. What the fuck it's not
a joke, but I'll wrap up my wind Talker's rant there.
Speaker 4: I got to go back and watch that movie again
now because I remember it's sucking, but I don't remember
it being that wild.
Speaker 2: After peeling off their faces, he would shrink their heads
and add to his collection. Gean admitted to stealing from
nine Graves. Besides masturbation, Ed denies ever having had a
sexual experience in his life, and stated that he never
fucked the cadavers because they smelled.
Speaker 3: Too bad as nothing stakes locking pussy. You know, it's
like a trout, Maria. You're under arrest again, Jesus, so
just execute him right there, you Yeah.
Speaker 2: An increase of missing persons in the area began at
this time as well. In nineteen fifty one, Ed visited
a bar owned by Mary Hogan. She was a middle
aged woman that looked much like Ed's mother, but she
had a foul mouth and a bit of a history.
Ed was fascinated by her.
Speaker 3: She sounds very irish, owns a bar, Mary Hogan, Mary Hogan,
Mary Hogan, got your dumb, fucking fatass out of here.
You a simple little fuck looking at me with your
sideways high and your crooked boiled balls. Fucking credit, He's
like I must wear you. I must wear you.
Speaker 2: They hang out for like three years. Oh, apparently he
doesn't bang, he doesn't smash.
Speaker 3: He probably could have.
Speaker 4: Well, he only knew one good woman in his life
at that point and she's dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just he just like he like wants to
but he keeps going into the bathroom. He's like, remember, ready,
whether you said flowers are disguistic, flowers are dirty, you
do throwing dirt.
Speaker 2: And also promised his mother he would be a virgin.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, all right, Well he's kind of a good
man now in the in the grand scheme of things,
the amount of serial killers, which again I don't really
consider ed Geing to be a serial killer. He's just
just kind of a unique guy.
Speaker 2: Technically hasn't killed yet in this story that we that
we can confirm, that we can confirm.
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm really fucking sure he killed his brother.
I'm fairly convinced of that. No no evidence. I just
have a feeling that he.
Speaker 2: Kind of a hunch that he killed his brother. Also,
maybe some people that don't really get mentioned true.
Speaker 4: Oh, people were disappearing all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's much people that missing in the area that
they just don't connect.
Speaker 4: The amount of serial killers that have mommy issues is
absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: How many have father issues.
Speaker 4: When it comes to father issues, it's mostly getting head
injuries at a young age from their father, which he got. Which, Yeah,
that's along the lines of Ed Kemper. Ed Kemper's another one,
mommy issues and severe head injury when he was young.
Oh shit, all right, but it's very very common for
male serial killers to have big time mommy issues.
Speaker 2: Mary goes missing in nineteen fifty four, Ed later admitted
he had been hanging out with her and drinking before
he pulled the blinds, put a twenty two caliber gun
to her forehead and shot her.
Speaker 3: Oh, boring, don't know why boring.
Speaker 4: The amount of people that kill with twenty two's is
also really really surprising.
Speaker 3: Why is it surprising?
Speaker 4: Just it's such a small caliber.
Speaker 3: Yeah that to me, you gotta do it like right
up close. Basically, Well, it kind of makes sense for
him if he wants to steal her head.
Speaker 4: True, it's not going to be as big of a wound.
But if you actually want to kill somebody, like when
I was growing up, at twenty two was considered pretty
much a pellet rifle, like you got a twenty two
when you were around like seven eight years old. Yeah, yeah,
you'd go and kill animals with it. But up until
the time you were seven or eight years old, you
had a pellet rifle and they were considered roughly the same. There.
If you get right up close, they can do some damage.
But if I was going to actually kill somebody, a
twenty two would not be more king get shot with
the twenty two.
Speaker 3: Uh, I think that caleber actually pretty big.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a at least like a thirty
two or thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Or he doesn't die immediately.
Speaker 4: Well, that's why you don't use a small round. It
something a little bit bigger.
Speaker 3: Well, so the problem with I think that gun was
that So it's forty four caliber, but the dringer but
see here's the thing though, not a lot of force
behind it.
Speaker 4: Oh it was a Darringer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a Darringer.
Speaker 4: Okay, those are the time lady guns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not sure it had this the Again,
I'm not a gun person who gun people can light
me up for this, but my assumption will be the
derringer uh probably did not have the oomph in it
in terms of force of the shot hell bro that
other guns had.
Speaker 4: If it was a small darringer, it could have been
a forty four caliber round, but it must not have
had very much power behind.
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I'm getting ter talk about the gun.
Thank you for your service.
Speaker 4: Oh you're you're welcome. I'm I loved every money up.
Speaker 2: The day after the murder, while working with a man
named Elmo, he admitted to killing her.
Speaker 4: There's actually been people named Elmo. Yeah, that's not just
a sesame street name.
Speaker 2: I guess it was just a normal name. Then he
admitted to killing Mary Hogan and said he hung her
up at his house. But Elmo dismiss said statement, I
don't believe in ed capable of violence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just like God, damn it. This guy is
so fucking weird. Sick of this shit. Keeps telling me
he's stealing bodies from the Great One, normal conversation. God,
he just tries to get me riled up every day.
Speaker 2: Her skull was later found in a box and peeled
off face in a bag at his home in nineteen
fifty seven. Owner of a local shop and mother of
Deputy Frank Warden, Bernice Warden fifty eight suddenly disappeared from.
Speaker 3: Her store like midday, Like took a lunch break and
never came back. Oh man.
Speaker 2: Deputy Warden found the cash register gone when he went
to check on his mother, blood on the floor, and
a twenty two caliber rifle that was out of place
on its rack upon arrival at the store.
Speaker 3: Oh, did you use a rifle from the store. Yeah? See,
ed Gean is just like these kids that shoplift yodorant.
Now they got to put the rifles behind glass because
the asshole was like him.
Speaker 2: They also found a receipt for anti freeze made out
to ed Gean, the last sale of the day, so
person of interest right off the bat. So the next day,
the sheriff and Deputy Warden entered Ed's house and were
shocked at what they found. They found the deputy's mother's
headless corpse hanging upside down with her ankles lashed to
a wooden crossbeam. She was split open from virgina to
stirn them feel, dressed.
Speaker 3: Like a deer. Good Lord, he found his mom like that? Yeah,
just split open. Jesus fucking Christ.
Speaker 2: I can't think of a worst thing ever.
Speaker 3: Your kids basically would be the only.
Speaker 2: I think your mother might be worse.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I don't have kids.
Speaker 3: I both going kids personally, But mom wouldn't sit right,
wouldn't sit well.
Speaker 4: It'd be a close second, I would imagine. Yeah, like
between mom and kids, I would say kids is definitely worse.
Speaker 2: But saying that because your your mother's getting up there, no,
it's her time.
Speaker 3: To go now. Obviously wife wouldn't bother me. I split
her in half all the time, sitn't it?
Speaker 2: Also while they searched his house, authorities found and I
got just bullet point after bullet point, a waste basket
made of human skin.
Speaker 3: As he ever did it?
Speaker 4: Koby?
Speaker 2: He couldn't say Kobe.
Speaker 3: Then what would it be? What would it be? Uh?
Uh Natesmith micn yeah, George Biken mic and Traill mic.
He's just doing layups? Yeah, yeah, h.
Speaker 2: Human skin covered several chairs, human skulls mounted on the bedpost,
female skulls, some with the top son off. Bulls made
from human skulls, a corsett made from a female torse
so skin from shoulders to waist, leggings made from human legs,
mass made from the skin of human heads, or I
guess female heads. Mary Hogan's face mask in paper bag,
Mary Hogan's skull in a box, Benise Warden's entire head
in a burlop sack. So, yeah, you didn't just see
her body, you saw her head.
Speaker 3: What's in the box? Well, yeah, I think we know
where they got that then too, Hey, Steve, what's in
the box? Like it wasn't the same, but he did
ask what's in that box? You know, he's like they're
seeing everything and he's like, oh God, what's in that box?
Speaker 2: Bernice Warden's heart in a plastic bag in front of
a Geen's potbelly stove.
Speaker 3: Oh, he was gonna eat it. He had nine volvas
in a shoe box.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's I mean, it's all pretty gross, but so
something I am curious about. Do you know if he
actually did eat any of the bodies, because he kept
a lot of the he kept a lot of the parts.
But I've never heard anything about him being a cannibal.
Speaker 2: Right about Cannibal's didn't say anything about cannibalism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what I found. Also, why was he
keeping all this shit and especially the volv So I
guess you're eating out of like human bowls.
Speaker 3: So I guess technically maybe there's some sharks. They get
into your food.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, like six degrees of Kevin bacon.
Speaker 3: Can you can make it sharp? Bracelet out of a vola?
A nice? What? What better any from anything on anyone's
body to make a good leather cuff than a volva?
Speaker 4: I mean a butthhole would be pretty good too.
Speaker 3: I yeah, true, you gotta loosen that thing up though, Yeah,
you gotta stretch that one out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A young girl's dress and the volvas of two
females hushed to have been around fifteen years old.
Speaker 4: Wonderful, Okay, And just to clarify, by a volva, he's
just like putting a vagina through a Deli slicer, like
just taking off, taking off the outside or is it
the entire thing? Volva is like the outside, just the outside,
So it's like you put it through a I don't
know what that means.
Speaker 3: To volva's the whole fucking thing. Volvas is the whole
fucking outside. Labia majora monora, clit everything.
Speaker 4: Yep. So it's like a scalping but downstairs, yes it's nice. Yeah, yeah,
good bracelet. I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well leather cuff. He's a man.
Speaker 2: A belt made from female human nipples?
Speaker 3: How how I don't know.
Speaker 4: Man, So you guys, there's actually a picture of it.
You can find a picture of it online. Really, yeah,
there's there's pictures of some of the stuff that that
edging made.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if we can show that on YouTube.
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it is a nipple made out of
human belts, but a belt made out of human nipples too.
But it's not super good. You found it? Oh yeah,
we could.
Speaker 3: We could probably show.
Speaker 4: This, I mean, yeah, I think, I mean, it's not bloody.
There's no there's replicas that you can find of it online.
You could post a picture of the replica. They're all
pretty accurate. But you know, all three of us know
somebody that have a movie quality replica of that nipple
belt is Joel No, No, surprisingly it's not. It's uh,
it's been from Jane l Barbecue. He's got one. He's
going to bring it into the studio so we can use.
Speaker 2: It on Well.
Speaker 3: Now I believe of Leroy and Lewis, I don't love that.
The gentleman we know who is an expert with meats,
owns a nipple belt.
Speaker 4: He also has a chainsaw signed by the guy who
played leather.
Speaker 3: Face Love that the man we know who professionally butchered
is the one with the bulls and the.
Speaker 2: They found four loose noses just about well at this.
Speaker 4: Point in the junk drawer next to like some paper clips.
Speaker 3: It's like finding paper clips in an office at this point.
Speaker 2: A pair of lips on a window shade drawstring.
Speaker 4: That's another description that I just don't understand, Like how
how deep is he cutting in.
Speaker 3: To get the whole circle right? So it's like on
the draw string that you pulled down, So he's getting
enough lip that he can dry it out, make sure
it's hard and he can.
Speaker 4: Oh, so it's like a little loop that you can grab.
Speaker 3: Gotcha, that's my guess.
Speaker 4: That makes sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: A lamp shade made from the skin of the human face,
so he full blown bitch of boken Wall the concentration camps.
He he read about her and he's like, I gotta
do it. And then fingernails from female fingers, So.
Speaker 4: That's just disgusting.
Speaker 3: You wonder I wonder if an Nazis with that chick
were just like you know, yeah, we should be viping
them out, but this is just getting egregious. This is
a little much. Yeah, I just it's not efficient at all.
There's nothing efficient about this. She's holding it up. She
pulls them out to the gastline to skins them. They
need to just they just go in and it's done.
Speaker 4: But then, you love your job. You never fuck a
day in your life.
Speaker 3: Taking too much time.
Speaker 2: During the questions, Sheriff Art Shelley reportedly assaulted Gaen by
banging his head and face into a brick wall. Really,
not the deputy whose mother was found hung up.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even him that it was a sheriff.
Speaker 3: I guess he did it on behalf of his deputy. Yeah,
I think that's fair, and.
Speaker 4: People respect a chain of command a lot more back then.
Speaker 2: But as a result, Gene's initial confession was ruled inadmissible
because he had head trauma. Yeah, from his head being
slam in to a brick wall.
Speaker 3: He's fucking concussed. It doesn't it's not, yeah, admissible at
that point.
Speaker 2: Shelley died of a heart failure in nineteen sixty eight
at the age of forty three, before Geen's trial.
Speaker 3: Wait, who did the sheriff Okay, not the deputy Nope, okay.
Speaker 2: Many who knew the sheriff said he was traumatized by
the horror of Gean's crimes, and this, along with the
fear of having to testify, especially about assaulting Green, caused
his death. I mean, it's out of another body.
Speaker 3: You just don't You just don't see things like that,
you know what I mean. At that point we were
rural Middle America, even like Jack the Ripper, like they
were gnarly crime scenes, I know, but I'm just saying,
is they were gnarly crime scenes or like Jack the Ripper,
the alleged Jack the Ripper who before you went to London,
the Austin Servant girl Annihilator, that's not the case that
we already I understand that the alleged it was alleged
in have been the same. Like those are gnarly crime scenes.
But like at the end of the day, it doesn't
look any different than like if you find an old
hobo who got hit by a train, you know what
I mean, Like it's just a body all ripped up. Well,
once you get into that.
Speaker 2: Anytime the train stops and says they hit an animal
or there's a maintenance issue, it's because they hit a hobo.
Speaker 3: Well every time they they did say they hit an animal,
So yeah, as far as I'm concerned, But no, like
that would be fucked up. But at the same time,
it's like you've kind of seen that before, you know,
or in this case, like a car accident or something
like car accidents before glass got good were fucked like
fucked up.
Speaker 2: It was just glass.
Speaker 3: It was just fucking window glass. People would just get obliterated,
just be freaks. But this like finding that type of shit,
like there's just no oh fucking way there that even
had a precedent in the United States of America.
Speaker 4: Now I'm with you on that one. I think that's
why this case is stuck around for so long and
become like the inspiration for leather Face, for Norman Bates,
everything like that. The reason that came about is, like
I said, he to me, he wasn't really a serial killer.
He was just a fucked up guy that killed a
few people, not far off from a serial killer, but
the brutality of it and just how the insane things
that he did with the bodies.
Speaker 3: But it was mostly dead chicks Yeah, it was enough
to stick.
Speaker 4: In the in the minds of everybody that saw it
and start start passing it down because, like what you
were getting at, people were dying every single day in
horrific ways back in those days. But the fact that
he was doing all this extra weird shit that kind
of entered it into the zeitgeist of America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a new one. This one's special.
Speaker 4: Telling my kids about this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In addition to the murders of Hogan and war,
Geen is also considered a suspect in a dozen other
unsolved cases in Wisconsin that he never admits to. But yeah,
they kind of like he probably did it. I mean,
including like an eight year old One does not just
happen upon fifteen year old volvas. One must acquire.
Speaker 2: Fifteen year olds are dying anyway, like of natural causes
or disease. He's not digging up like freshly buried fifteen
year old.
Speaker 3: No, especially if this is in like the nineteen fifties
and stuff like that, We're really starting to get like
child mortality really under control at that point in terms
of like vaccinations and even car accidents and stuff like that.
Like kids aren't just getting a fever and falling over anymore.
It's fucking tile at all. Yeah, I mean it's making
them all autistic, I guess or whatever. But I don't
believe that theory, by the way. But it's a fun
joke that everyone's doing hop in on it. Yeah, why not?
But uh yeah, he he went out and got those
fulvas fresh, much like your friend and the pig.
Speaker 4: Thank god he didn't. He didn't cut that pig's volvo
off for us. I would have been really traumatized.
Speaker 2: On November twenty first, nineteen fifty seven, and Gean was
charged on one account of first screen murder, where he
pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. He was diagnosed
with schizophrenia and found mentally incompetent, thus unfit for trial.
Gean was sent to Central State Hospital for the criminally Insane.
In nineteen sixty eight, doctors determined Geen was mentally able
to confer with counsel and participate in his defense. The
trial began November seventh, nineteen sixty eight, and lasted one week.
Speaker 3: Feel like it wouldn't take long like the prosecutions. Just
like ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I could give
you a lot of any words. But here is just
a parade of pictures of everything we found in this house.
Speaker 4: I give you exhibit a nipple belt.
Speaker 2: You can just bring it in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just wears it in the passing it around.
They haven't even told them what it is yet. They're like,
what this is a strength belt? Like this is a
belt made from dead women's nipples that ed Gen fashion.
There's no Jerry though.
Speaker 2: So a psychiatrist testified that Gen had told him that
he did not know whether the killing of Warden was
intentional or accidental. Gen was also told or told him
that he examined a gun in warden shop. The weapon
discharged and killed Warden. So the gun was a part
of the shop, and he's just messed with.
Speaker 4: He claims, it's not people that kill people, it's guns.
Speaker 2: Yes, he claimed to not have aimed it at Warden
and did not remember anything else that happened that morning.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a rough story to believe in the first place.
But what you've got like fifty yards of human skin
in your house, that doesn't help.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At the request of his defense, Gen's trial was held
without a jury. Judge Robert H. Goldmar was presided and
found Geen guilty. On November fourteenth, a second trial dealt
with Geen's sanity. After testimony by doctors for the prosecution
and defense, Gomar ruled that Geen was not guilty by
reason of insanity, and he spent the rest of his
life in a mental hospital.
Speaker 3: Oh so you just got to like eat jello and
watch cartoons for the next thirty years. It doesn't sound
that bad. Honestly, In many ways, that's winning the lottery.
Speaker 4: Probably better than going to prison, but not by much.
Have you guys seen footage from early mental asylums. Pretty
much everything is covered in human shit and there's just
naked psychos every.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen one flew over the cuckoos nus.
Speaker 4: It's kind of close. But Jack Nicholson is a little
bit more modestly dressed compared to most of the mental
patients that I've seen from you know.
Speaker 3: Fiftubana is Yeah, especially if you couldn't afford like one
of the nice ones to send your like you know,
like there's a cousin in the rich family who's killing hookers.
Speaker 4: Like where they sent which one of the Kennedy daughters
was it?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, because they drilled a hole in her brea
rose sounds right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, they sent her to
a good one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so, because god damn they had a
lot of money for it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can see a bad mental hospital these
days just on the streets of Austin.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the forest is the mental hospital.
Speaker 4: Now, that's what replaced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, send them back to the woods.
Speaker 4: They're practicing free range mental health.
Speaker 3: It is like, as long as you ban camping in
the cities, the woods become a free range mental instance.
Every forest here is the forbidden forest. Fucking don't go
into it.
Speaker 4: It's like the Lion, the Witch, and the wardrobe, except
everybody is just a fucking crack abbit.
Speaker 3: And at night you will see someone eating a unicorn's neck.
And there's not like a scary gate to get into
the entrance. But it's just shopping carts. Yeah, shopping carts.
That would actually be super impressive.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you about that. No, my old place
for ever, said ranch off Mopackage.
Speaker 3: I know the general that there was a campsite.
Speaker 2: There, campsite, but the entrance for the campsite it was
just like kind of impressively built entrance or like a
Arc de Triomph built out of shopping carts.
Speaker 3: That's fucking fucking rap. That's absolutely great. That's not even
that's not a homeless encampment. That's a pirate kingdom.
Speaker 4: I would take that at a wedding over a balloon arch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Gean's property was appraised and scheduled to be auctioned on
March thirtieth, nineteen fifty eight, but amidst swimmers that the
house and the land it stood on might become a
tourist attraction, somebody started a fire on the morning of
March twentieth and destroyed the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels right to do that, to burn it all.
Speaker 2: Gan died at the Mendota Mental Hospital Institute due to
respiratory failure on July twenty sixth, nineteen four, the age
of seventy seven, choked.
Speaker 4: On a nipple.
Speaker 3: Wow, he got all the way to seventy seven. That's
a good life. I'm telling you. It sounds like he
just ate yello and watched cartoons.
Speaker 4: That was probably what he wanted in the first place.
Speaker 3: What I'm imagining, even though he died in the eighties
is the mental institution from twelve monkeys that Bradford is
in where like it's not great, but there's not people
like constantly smearing feces on the wall. You can just
get your pills and watch cartoons.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fun here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but someone will be screaming in your ear every
twenty minutes about like crabs coming out of the vents
or something.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but at least in that situation, it's like
a proto Tyler Durden that's doing it isposedly, just an
actual fucking insane pa.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Over the years, souvenir seekers shipped away pieces from his gravestone,
until the stone itself was stolen in the year two thousand.
It was recovered in June two thousand and one near Seattle, Washington,
and was placed in storage at his hometown County Sheriff's department.
Gean was then buried next to his parents in the
Plainfield Cemetery, and his gravesite is still left unmarked.
Speaker 3: Probably for the best. That's really fucking weird that anyone
would do that.
Speaker 4: Well, i mean, God forbid somebody dig him up and
take his skin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually seems very poetic.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, someone should take his skin if they haven't already.
Speaker 4: I mean, make a ball out of his head. That'd
be Could you imagine if he actually owned.
Speaker 3: A bowld on a game bowl?
Speaker 4: That would be cool as hell.
Speaker 2: Although this is my apartment, I don't know if I
want a human skull in my place.
Speaker 4: Dude, any kind of collectibles like that. Like I'm I'm
super into owning stuff like.
Speaker 2: We could if I could, we put it in a jar,
we shrink it. You could shrink it because otherwise, if
it's just hanging on the couch, Chase would eat it.
Speaker 3: All I ever think about. Yeah, he would. He would
lick that thing raw.
Speaker 4: It would be a good treat for a chomping on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be brittle, he would chomp right through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Probably at this point, not.
Speaker 3: Even any marrow in their forum at that point, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean overall, I'm I'm still not convinced that ed
Gean should be up there listed with other serial killers,
because a lot of times he's he's listed alongside like
Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy ed Kemper, which ed Kemper
lied about a lot of the crimes that he committed,
But to me, he just seemed like a damaged mama's boy.
Speaker 2: He's an inspiration, though he I probably led to several copycats.
Speaker 4: True, also an inspiration in the fact that he grew
up with an overbearing mother, only killed a handful of people,
and lived to a ripe old age.
Speaker 3: I mean, he for sure killed more than the what
to him, definitely killed his brother, two that he is
credited for, and third that we're pretty sure about brother.
He's got at he's got double digits. Where to get
those fifteen year old volves? Where to get the vulvas?
Speaker 4: That all the information that I've heard about It's been
a while since I've researched it, but all the information
that I heard about him is he he was a
prolific grave digger or a grave robber. He was so
he would dig up corpses, he would keep an eye
on who was being buried and if it was anybody.
Speaker 3: They wanted to get. Fifteen year olds died.
Speaker 4: Uh, But how many how many young volvas did he have?
Speaker 3: Yes, two I think I remember.
Speaker 2: But also community same time, there's a bunch of people
that started going missing.
Speaker 3: Like thet girl. Yeah that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I still don't classify him as a serial killer.
But I think that maybe he should have spent some
time in prison. He probably should went to just a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, or just executed or some miracle that deputy didn't
put his pistol in Dean's mouth.
Speaker 2: He apparently was happy that his house burned down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just not but he did it. Yeah, he
probably did.
Speaker 2: The deputy probably burned his house down.
Speaker 3: I think this is as far as self restraint goes.
This is on the Mount Mount rushmore of self restraints.
To find your mom being field dressed. It's tough scene.
And not immediately, I mean, do what Brad Pitt did
in seven right, fucking execute him.
Speaker 2: What's in the box or just yeah, as soon as
he comes across ed gets home, when they're there, he
just smashes him over.
Speaker 3: And it's like a dude who probably even if you're
even if you like him or don't think about him,
is pretty punishable.
Speaker 2: Respectable member of the community.
Speaker 3: Rob No, I think he looks like a fucking weird
like it did look very odd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely had a punchable face.
Speaker 3: It's like, bumbulo, don't wave your flower up me. I
don't want to. You're just like God, I want to
punch this fucking guy in the face. And now instead
of him just coming in and saying something weird and
off putting, your mother is split open and hanging upside
down from the ceiling, headless.
Speaker 2: It's like, I feel like the most important detail.
Speaker 3: It is maybe one of the greatest acts of self
restraint in human history. He wouldn't have even gotten in
trouble for it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it really should have ended like the reverse
of what is it the end of Devil's Rejects, where
there's that long pull out shot of one of the
firefly Flame family holding the pistol to the sheriff's head. Yeah,
switch that around in just a long, long anticipation until
you just canoes that guy's head.
Speaker 2: All right, I think it's pretty easy here. But who's
today's hitler?
Speaker 3: I'll go ahead, the mom.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no question. I was gonna say Ed's mom
always blame women.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it wasn't his fault.
Speaker 2: He seems like a stand up guy.
Speaker 3: And honestly sound like his fault. No chance from the jump.
I will just say this. As the only one raising children,
you have no idea how easy it is to fuck
a child like you can tell them anything, and they'll
believe it.
Speaker 2: I can though, Yeah, I know which one of your
kids are going to be a problem.
Speaker 3: There's three of them.
Speaker 2: There's no way all of them would be saints.
Speaker 3: No, it's true. I mean, the only one he doesn't
give me trouble now is the baby. But i'll tell
you what too quiet. Rory's the mama's boy, but.
Speaker 2: Finn is the temper Ooh that's yeah, I have my
own Fin.
Speaker 3: Oh, Finn was your boy for a while.
Speaker 2: I'm back on Rory.
Speaker 3: Oh you like Rory now?
Speaker 2: Rory dapped me up? He did, he did, It's all it.
Speaker 3: Text, you gotta be nice to me. Finn has already
learned how to closed fist punch. Don't know who taught him,
and he's punched me in the face multiple times. It's
just natural for him. Yeah, he's coming.
Speaker 2: It's Oh, I didn't tell you. I mean I had
Finn over the other day for the FC fights.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So he didn't learn from the best.
Speaker 3: He did come home pretty late the other night and
I asked him he's two? Where he was? He said, ship?
Fuck up there? Fine, bitch, pussy, yeah, bitch, and then
he went upstairs. He called you the N word. He
didn't call me it, but he was using it.
Speaker 2: Today's hitler is Finn Finn Fox like middle child.
Speaker 4: I like this kid. He's either he's either going to
be a felon or he's going to be a powerhouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a politician. You won't stop him. Oh yeah,
I just he clearly hit something with my car. And
that's kind of the worst part.
Speaker 2: You guys learn anything today, like to.
Speaker 3: Learn what he hit with my car seemed alive. Well,
you know, there's a lot of deer that run across
the street here, what fingers crossed?
Speaker 4: Well I learned that you probably shouldn't give car keys
to children.
Speaker 3: Yeah he shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Well he didn't give him the keys, No, Yeah, I
gave give and give it.
Speaker 3: He stole them, took it.
Speaker 4: Oh god, you can't even leave him laying out on
the table.
Speaker 3: Fin takes what he wants, takes what he wants.
Speaker 4: Dude, I think that I think that kid's going to
be a CEO.
Speaker 3: He's driven. Maybe, Yeah, it was weird being my wife
got real sleepy. He brought us these he he was like, Bobby, Daddy,
I got you juice, and then I woke up like
three hours later. You think he puts something in.
Speaker 2: It throws you a pack of smoke, so you never leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he will bump me a cigarette
every now and then if I'm pretty drunk. He's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,
it's cool like that.
Speaker 4: It's a good kid smokes parliaments he does. Oh and
he smokes parliaments too. My nephew is on Marboro lights.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: I'm just glad they're not vaping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too. It's probably glad he's not taken
after me.
Speaker 3: Never I would be angrier at my child. I would
actually legitimately be angry at any of my kids for
vaping than for smoking cigarette a cigarettes are organic, plant based,
but also, like cigarettes are way easier to quit than
a vape, you could vape whenever. That's the other The
problem with vase is all I just vape all day.
You won't smoke. We're like conditioned to not smoke inside as.
Speaker 4: As a vapor. I one percent agree. Yeah, I vape
more than I ever smoked. At one point in my life,
I was up to like a pack and a half
to two packs a day. I still weight more than
I ever see.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. I feel bad about my zinning. I'm like, God,
damn id like six sin. His wife still doesn't know.
He sins.
Speaker 4: We'll keep that under wraps. He's got to stop getting
them from his kid. His kid's about I.
Speaker 3: Can probably pin it on Finn, but he will.
Speaker 2: It's not un believable though, because obviously he calls his
dad a bitch.
Speaker 3: Where he using zin?
Speaker 4: So Zen's got Finn's got straight up like he does
in Chief Chow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he mixes it with big League Chow.
It's just the last time I got them though, The
last time I got him in trouble with you know,
his mom my wife. It was a bad It was
bad timing because we had just we just bought him
like tube socks, and so he emptied his piggy bank
into one and came into the bedroom at like three
in the morning, just went to town on you. Yeah,
on my ribs and stomach. We couldn't shoot the show
the other day because a giant black eye. It was bad. Yeah,
I put makeup on it so then covered up it.
Just he's a monster, but I love him. It's yours.
I think.
Speaker 4: Hey, there's there's plenty of metal honor recipe instead of
taken part in a blanket party at some point in
their life.
Speaker 3: That's true, He's gonna be a great man. Really, If
any of your your dead friends attach their souls onto
one of my children, it's Finn.
Speaker 2: That's this whole thing. He thinks one of my dead friends,
that odd from Heroin is now on as child.
Speaker 4: Wait one of how many do you have?
Speaker 3: Several? Yeah, that's just Dollar County Baker's good old Delco.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's our episode for today. Thanks for tuning in, Coop,
thanks for joining.
Speaker 4: Dude, thanks for having me. Perfect happy to be here.
It's great good to hang out with you, guys. I
got to see Bob all the time now, but I
don't get.
Speaker 3: To see anymore.
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