Speaker 1: Well, the sports is going on in here. See there
Speaker 1: are lines from Blazing Saddles, the movie that can be
Speaker 1: quoted on air. Gry Jeff Walker, welcoming you to a
Speaker 1: rare night tap in the middle of Reds baseball season,
Speaker 1: a season that has been up and been down and
Speaker 1: lately down again as we saw in the series this
Speaker 1: last weekend with the Houston Astros coming back home tomorrow night,
Speaker 1: a rare Reds off day on a Monday, and it's
Speaker 1: great to be with you. Just keep this in mind,
Speaker 1: Reds fans, if they score ten runs in the first
Speaker 1: inning and any game this season, don't expect them to
Speaker 1: score again for the next two or three games. That
Speaker 1: may be a good or bad thing. Again, with a
Speaker 1: game tomorrow night at GABP a rain allowing, and there
Speaker 1: is some wet weather scheduled this week, we'll see what happens,
Speaker 1: won't we. Mother Nature can be the Red's biggest nemesis
Speaker 1: on this homestand of the beginning of it. Anyway, We'll
Speaker 1: keep you posted, obviously, But on Wednesday night, we're hoping
Speaker 1: for the rain to hold off because this is one
Speaker 1: of the most special Reds special games in a long
Speaker 1: long time. Maybe not in the franchise's history, but certainly
Speaker 1: in modern baseball times and for fans of Pete Rose.
Speaker 1: The Pete Rose Celebration Night coming up Wednesday at the ballpark,
Speaker 1: and this first hour is dedicated to Peter Edward Rhodes
Speaker 1: and that special celebration. And in just a few minutes
Speaker 1: we will have the one and only Mom Egger joining
Speaker 1: us to talk about all of the things that he's
Speaker 1: got planned and we've got planned leading up to the
Speaker 1: six forty first pitch on Wednesday night, along with the
Speaker 1: fur Ball and the wild Man, two of the biggest
Speaker 1: Pete Rose fans I know, and we'll hear from them.
Speaker 1: But there's more than that to this show. Later on
Speaker 1: we will have my friend Rick Robinson, the author of
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, local lawyer and historian, a great guy
Speaker 1: to always talk to. Mary M. Heenan, and I believe
Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing the name correctly. We'll find out, won't we.
Speaker 1: Mariam Heenan, who has a book about George Floyd coming
Speaker 1: out and the syop that she says was conducted in
Speaker 1: the wake of George Floyd's death that led to the
Speaker 1: quote unquote not summer of Love in twenty twenty and
Speaker 1: defund the police and all the other rhetoric that we
Speaker 1: were exposed to and BLM and the marches and the
Speaker 1: fires and the not mostly peaceful protests that erupted around
Speaker 1: the country and the wake of that, and who was
Speaker 1: really behind it. Was it Derek Chauvin, the cop in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis or was it something more sinister. We'll discuss doctor
Speaker 1: Robert Malone, who is well known as the father of
Speaker 1: m I vaccines mRNA and he's not a fan of
Speaker 1: those vaccines, especially when it comes to their use and children.
Speaker 1: And he's got a new book out with doctor Jill
Speaker 1: Glasspool Malone about Anthony Fauci. Why was he pardoned for
Speaker 1: all the thing? For crimes against the United States by
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Much more on that, and Dave Hatter will
Speaker 1: join us in Steve Gorham with an environmental update before
Speaker 1: we are done this evening up. Next, we will talk
Speaker 1: to Moe Egger from ESPN fifteen thirty and seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW on Pete Rose Celebration night and what you can
Speaker 1: expect and what to look forward to from the Home
Speaker 1: of the Reds seven hundred WLW for the first leg
Speaker 1: on this nightcap of our Pete Rose Hour. No better
Speaker 1: man I think to talk to than a guy will
Speaker 1: be part of the celebration on Wednesday night on the air,
Speaker 1: and he'll be there throughout the game, before the game,
Speaker 1: after the game with extra innings and one of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys. When I do talk about anything sports, I'd
Speaker 1: probably talk about anything with this guy, but sports is
Speaker 1: his forte. That's what he does for a living. Moe
Speaker 1: Egger joins us in studio for a few minutes tonight,
Speaker 1: and I got to tell you they had this place
Speaker 1: called Dave's Hot Chicken in here earlier today. And I
Speaker 1: know this because I saw some in the fridge. So
Speaker 1: all that was left was the Reaper piece of reading.
Speaker 1: I like ghost Reaper peppers, I guess, And I like
Speaker 1: hot things. Yeah, do you like hot from love hot things?
Speaker 1: So I took a bite of the Reaper and there's
Speaker 1: two guys sitting around watching me, just in wonder, going Okay,
Speaker 1: when's he gonna melt down? When's it gonna happen, when's
Speaker 1: it gonna happen? I said, it's got some heat to it.
Speaker 1: I love it when you eat something hot and the
Speaker 1: sweat almost instantly beads at the top of your fort
Speaker 1: I wait for that feelings rush.
Speaker 2: It's a rush, and I like it when it comes
Speaker 2: like a full ninety seconds after you've taken your bike. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know we are lack right. This isn't that bad,
Speaker 2: This isn't that hot. And then slowly you could feel
Speaker 2: it and then it sort of like max is out a.
Speaker 1: Minute and a half after you've eaten what you've eaten.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any it was it called hot daves,
Speaker 2: hot daves, chickens, hot daves.
Speaker 1: They had all kinds of sandwiches. Apparently I got the
Speaker 1: remnants thereof and it was just the Reaper and it
Speaker 1: was tasty. And I probably shouldn't have done it because
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who's been prone lately to have some
Speaker 1: gastro intestinal problems. So I'm sure this will maybe clear
Speaker 1: things up. I was kind of hoping that we'll see, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: most got his red bull and he's ready to go
Speaker 1: here in the next few minutes talking about first to
Speaker 1: Pete Rose celebration night, is this finally mow a piece
Speaker 1: of real closure for Reds fans, even more so than
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame possibilities of this celebration of this
Speaker 1: iconic American only Cincinnati, but American baseball player who meant
Speaker 1: so much to the game and has been, you know,
Speaker 1: so polarized by his actions off the field and sometimes
Speaker 1: in the dugout. But is this the final way of
Speaker 1: kind of laying Pete to rest? You think?
Speaker 2: I think as it relates to the Reds having any
Speaker 2: formal relationship with Pete Rose in the public realm, the
Speaker 2: answer is yes, what are they going to do after this?
Speaker 2: You know, if if he were to get reinstated after
Speaker 2: his passing.
Speaker 1: Or miraculously come back to life, that would be something.
Speaker 1: If that happens.
Speaker 2: I'm much less interested in what the Reds say than
Speaker 2: I am and learning some other things. But I think
Speaker 2: in the absence of him getting to the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: I don't know that the Reds are going to be
Speaker 2: able to do anything else that recognizes Pete Rose in
Speaker 2: any meaningful way. Now, they can continue to have reunions
Speaker 2: for the guys on the seventy five and seventy six team,
Speaker 2: and obviously this is the fifteenth anniversary the nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: five that won the World Series, But how many of
Speaker 2: those are you going to have?
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I kind.
Speaker 2: Of felt that was the case in twenty sixteen because
Speaker 2: if you remember, they had jersey retirement ceremony and they
Speaker 2: put him in the team's Hall of Fame, and Baseball
Speaker 2: allowed him to participate in those ceremonies, and then they
Speaker 2: did the statue. And my thinking then was, with Pete alive,
Speaker 2: this is probably it, right, this is probably what else
Speaker 2: do you have jersey retirement Hall of Fame statue?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: With his passing, this event on Wednesday, as it relates
Speaker 2: to the Reds doing something formally to celebrate Pete Rose's life,
Speaker 2: career accomplishments, and the fact that I think to this
Speaker 2: day he still is the face of the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 1: This is probably it. And for on the West side
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, he's still the face of West side Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I talk to people from that area who've been here
Speaker 1: their whole lives in that area where Pete came from,
Speaker 1: from Western Hills in the like, and you know, they
Speaker 1: don't even think Reds. They think this is this is
Speaker 1: the baseball player, This is the baseball player of all time. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I live on the West Side.
Speaker 1: I have met people.
Speaker 2: I met a guy who has a lot of Pete
Speaker 2: Rose memorabili you who probably couldn't tell you five players
Speaker 2: on the current Reds just loves Pete Rose and loves
Speaker 2: that era. And look, I know people who would tell
Speaker 2: you their relationship, their relationship with baseball was badly damaged
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine when Pete was effectively kicked out
Speaker 2: of the game.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 2: Look I've said this, and people get mad at me
Speaker 2: or disagree with me. I still believe he is the
Speaker 2: face of the Cincinnati Reds. He is the most identical
Speaker 2: for better for worse. Sure, the most identifiable figure, Not
Speaker 2: Johnny Bench, not anybody else, I believe around the country,
Speaker 2: when you say big red machine, the first name that
Speaker 2: pops up is Pete Rose.
Speaker 1: Now that's no knock on anybody else on that When
Speaker 1: do you think that's justified?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do too. I mean, I'm.
Speaker 2: Forty seven years old, so I grew up. I remember
Speaker 2: forty one ninety two. I remember Pete's final pseudo season
Speaker 2: as an active player in nineteen eighty six. I distinctly
Speaker 2: remember him as manager, and I certainly remember everything that
Speaker 2: would happen over the course of the subsequent I guess
Speaker 2: three and a half decades. But even I can tell
Speaker 2: you how famous Pete Rose was in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: You know, he was named Athlete of the Decade, I believe,
Speaker 2: by Sports illustrator Sport magazine. There was a level of
Speaker 2: fame and notoriety that he had when the Big Red
Speaker 2: Machine was at its heyday that I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: else enjoyed. And you know, Pete used to say, because
Speaker 2: a lot of time has been spent, you know, sort
Speaker 2: of deconstructing the relationship that Pete Rose and Johnny Bench had,
Speaker 2: and that's not for me to do, but I've heard
Speaker 2: Pete say Johnny's issue was he wasn't from Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I was, and so that matters. Man.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Morgan is beloved. Joe Morgan is the
Speaker 2: greatest second baseman who ever lived. Joe Morgan was the
Speaker 2: best player of those two teams in seventy five and
Speaker 2: seventy six. Johnny Bench is the greatest cutcher of all time.
Speaker 2: But I think it would have been impossible for those guys,
Speaker 2: or anybody else on that team to forge the relationship
Speaker 2: with the public that Pete did, because they weren't from here.
Speaker 1: You're right. When I moved to Cincinnati in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: the first thing I noticed after a very short period
Speaker 1: of time was this is one of the most provincial
Speaker 1: towns I could ever have moved to. You know, I
Speaker 1: lived in Nashville, Tennessee, and you think of all the
Speaker 1: things that Nashville is, and I lived in Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: which is huge Cardinals country. It really is a baseball
Speaker 1: town too. I lived in Chicago as a kid growing up,
Speaker 1: but being from Cincinnati and then not being from Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and being accepted into Cincinnati is a tough road to hoe.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been here for thirty one years now,
Speaker 1: and I just still there's a disconnect there between people
Speaker 1: who've up here all their lives and somebody like me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I get it. He
Speaker 1: was from Cincinnati, Johnny wasn't It makes sense. As we
Speaker 1: look to Wednesday night, let's go through the schedule. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be at the Holy Grail. You'll be there with
Speaker 1: Rocky and Eddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be with Eddie and Rocky. We're gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna leave my show for the day because I badly
Speaker 2: want to be a part of this because it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a lot of fun, and it'd be fun to
Speaker 2: be on with those guys, but to be at the
Speaker 2: Holy Grail, be there before this night for me as
Speaker 2: a Reds fan, as a Cincinnatian, and you know, to
Speaker 2: a degree, you know, my dad passed away sixteen years ago.
Speaker 2: My dad revered Pete Rose, and so just selfishly, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, in twenty sixteen, we did a lot of
Speaker 2: broadcasts surrounding Pete Rose Weekend and I kind of shoehorned
Speaker 2: my way into those things, and I said, like, I
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it, mainly because, like
Speaker 2: Indy cools hell, for my dad to be here watching
Speaker 2: me do a show about Pete Rose, and you don't know,
Speaker 2: he may be, it may be, but I to be
Speaker 2: there on Wednesday is going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna have a sellout crowd. You know, we'll
Speaker 2: see if the team itself can can Honorpete by you know,
Speaker 2: scoring more than two runs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: We'll beat the Holy Grail, Eddie and Rocky and myself,
Speaker 2: and then I'll hang out and do the inside pitch
Speaker 2: till six.
Speaker 1: Forty extra innings, extra innings.
Speaker 2: I haven't hosted extra innings I think in two years
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. I don't think i've I've had to
Speaker 2: do and not had to do. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: gotten to do extra innings in two years. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll be here for that late on Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. You just made your reference to today's modern day Reds,
Speaker 1: do you? And this has happened now ever since the
Speaker 1: twenty four runs spanking they gave the Orioles, and then
Speaker 1: and then the game where they just rocked mccolors in
Speaker 1: Houston over the weekend. I looked at my wife. We're
Speaker 1: watching the game, and they score ten runs in the
Speaker 1: first inning. They won't score for the next three games.
Speaker 1: I know they won't because that's what always happens. They
Speaker 1: have these gigantic outbursts, whether it's terrible pitching on the
Speaker 1: other side, which was the case on Saturday with mccullors Junior,
Speaker 1: or the bats just decide they all get in sync
Speaker 1: at the same time and they're going and they're rolling.
Speaker 1: When you watch them in a game like that, you go, man,
Speaker 1: what an offensive juggernaut this team can be. And then
Speaker 1: the rest of the series or for the next week.
Speaker 1: It's like power outage. Yeah, do you think that when
Speaker 1: they score a lot of runs.
Speaker 2: I do, but not because god, they used up all
Speaker 2: their hits. They're just not a good offensive team. They've
Speaker 2: played forty two games and in eleven of them they've
Speaker 2: scored one run or less. So what's the outlier. The
Speaker 2: outlier is the twenty four runs or a ten run
Speaker 2: first inning. So you know, I mean, let's face it,
Speaker 2: they're not obviously playing tonight, which is why you and
Speaker 2: I are here, But tomorrow night they're more likely to
Speaker 2: score zero or one runs than they are to score
Speaker 2: ten team or twenty four. So to me, it has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with a huge offensive output. And then
Speaker 2: you assume they're not going to score many runs the
Speaker 2: next day. A below average offensive team on a game
Speaker 2: to game basis is very likely to not score that
Speaker 2: many runs, no matter what they did the previous day. Again,
Speaker 2: eleven into forty two, that's what twenty eight twenty nine
Speaker 2: percent of the time they've scored either one or zero runs.
Speaker 2: Now they have won one nothing games, but for the
Speaker 2: most part, you're held to that run total. You're not
Speaker 2: gonna beat anybody, and so I don't view it as
Speaker 2: much as god they score thirteen runs one night and
Speaker 2: zero the next, or they score twenty four runs one
Speaker 2: night and won the next. This team just has way
Speaker 2: too many games where they just do not score. And
Speaker 2: that's regardless, that's independent of what happened the night before.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing for me that is kind
Speaker 2: of frustrating is if you look at them in terms
Speaker 2: of roster construction, they have looked like an incomplete team
Speaker 2: for a while. That goes back to February and March
Speaker 2: conversations you and I had about out man, when depth
Speaker 2: becomes an issue, is this team going to be able
Speaker 2: to answer the bell? And I feared the answer was
Speaker 2: going to be no, And so far, over the first
Speaker 2: forty two games the answer has been no.
Speaker 1: Just a few minutes left and I don't have the
Speaker 1: Bengals schedule in front of me. Okay, yeah, but last
Speaker 1: year the Bengals played two very beatable teams that this
Speaker 1: started their schedule. Does it matter as much who the
Speaker 1: Bengals are playing then how they're playing at the start
Speaker 1: of the season.
Speaker 2: Well, prior to last year, I would have said who matters?
Speaker 2: Because what were you looking for. You were looking for
Speaker 2: new head coaches and rookie quarterbacks, and that's what the
Speaker 2: Bengals got Week one, right, they got Patriots Trod Mayo
Speaker 2: and Jacoby Brissett played that game. You were looking for
Speaker 2: a favorable quarterback, they got. They got beaten a week
Speaker 2: two they played Kansas City, Week three Washington. But again
Speaker 2: it was going to be a rookie quarterback and a
Speaker 2: new head coach and dan Quinn well, that goes out
Speaker 2: the window. I Now, it's what do they do between
Speaker 2: now in the first game whenever that is, and against
Speaker 2: whomever it is, to be in a better position to
Speaker 2: hit the ground running than they've been since twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: because each of the last three years they've started oh
Speaker 2: to two. Last year they started oh to three. And
Speaker 2: as much as you could sort of shrug it off
Speaker 2: and go boy, they have plenty of time. When you
Speaker 2: have championship aspirations, those games can come back to haunt you. Look,
Speaker 2: if they got off to a faster start in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, maybe they don't have to go to Kansas
Speaker 2: City and play in the AFC Championship game. If they
Speaker 2: get off to a faster start in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: even without Joe Burrow, they make the playoffs, and if
Speaker 2: they get off to a faster start last year and
Speaker 2: win winnable games, they're a playoff team with a healthy
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, and then who knows what happens. So it's
Speaker 2: not so much about who they play, although I'm always
Speaker 2: interested in are any of the AFC North games in primetime,
Speaker 2: especially on the road, that sort of thing I'm interested
Speaker 2: in if they have pockets where you know, maybe they're
Speaker 2: going to go a long stretch of time without playing
Speaker 2: a home game or a road game. But more than
Speaker 2: anything else, I want to know it's different about this
Speaker 2: team to start the season that enables them to get
Speaker 2: off to a quicker start than they have the last
Speaker 2: three years.
Speaker 1: All right, Mowager, you can catch him at the Holy
Speaker 1: Grail with Eddie and Rocky three o'clock Wednesday. You can
Speaker 1: always hear him on ESPN fifteen thirty, except for Wednesday,
Speaker 1: because he's all reads, all the time. On Wednesday here
Speaker 1: on the Home of the Reds seven hundred WLW, thank you, Moe,
Speaker 1: thank you, celebrating Pete Rose tonight and ahead of the
Speaker 1: celebration on Wednesday night, at Great American Ballpark. It's been
Speaker 1: long waited, long deserved, and it's finally happening here, which
Speaker 1: is to full out fourteen night on May fourteenth, a
Speaker 1: month after what would have been Pete Rose's birthday, and
Speaker 1: finally the Cincinnati Reds on behalf of Major League Baseball,
Speaker 1: I might add, are celebrating the life and career of
Speaker 1: one Peter Edward Rose. And is this the path to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame? And all of the rest of
Speaker 1: those questions still hanging out there. But to talk to
Speaker 1: somebody like this next game, one of my favorite folks
Speaker 1: to talk about anything with, except of course his problems
Speaker 1: that he has occasionally, which I can't go into because
Speaker 1: of hippo laws. But to talk to this guy, I
Speaker 1: think is the pinnacle of this hour. And it's the
Speaker 1: of course one and only fur Ball, Andy Furman, who
Speaker 1: knew Pete Pete Rose, He covered Pete Rose, he loves
Speaker 1: Pete Rose. So Andy, the floor is yours your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I really appreciate the intro as always,
Speaker 3: and I always love being with you. And it's great
Speaker 3: that the Reds are off, but you know, no worries
Speaker 3: because we're here and I think we would be even
Speaker 3: more entertaining than the raids.
Speaker 4: As we speak, let me.
Speaker 3: Right right. You know, you use the term that I
Speaker 3: covered Pete Rose.
Speaker 4: I don't like that. But he's a friend, he's a
Speaker 4: friend of mine.
Speaker 3: I want all these media people say they covered No,
Speaker 3: you know what that means. It means they went to
Speaker 3: a game and saw him play. Didn't cover the guy. Okay.
Speaker 3: I spent time when I live with the guy because
Speaker 3: I worked at the old Tonia race Course.
Speaker 4: I was the pr guy there and.
Speaker 3: Who was our best customer?
Speaker 4: Pete Rose.
Speaker 3: He was there every single night during the off season.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: And you could tell he was there because if you
Speaker 3: looked at the toe board and he placed the bed,
Speaker 3: the odds would swing in a different direction.
Speaker 4: All right, So we move along.
Speaker 3: So he went on on a trip to Japan, came
Speaker 3: back with a big bag, came into the cloth house,
Speaker 3: came into the press box, opened the back, say he
Speaker 3: and you take a look at this. There was ten
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in cash. I mean the guy he was
Speaker 3: at a car shil somewhere in Japan. But the real
Speaker 3: story that I had with Pete Rose was this one.
Speaker 3: You know, during various races. We'd go down there to
Speaker 3: make presentations and they win a circle, put a blanket
Speaker 3: over the horse, get me troll, whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: I had to go down there, you know, several times
Speaker 3: in an evening for a big race, and sometimes it
Speaker 3: was rainy and muddy. I came back and I came
Speaker 3: back my shoes a roll full of mud. Come back
Speaker 3: to the press box. Pete Rose looks and my shoes,
Speaker 3: little shoes are disgusting. I hate those shoes. But really
Speaker 3: I do not like your shoes.
Speaker 4: Day. They really suck.
Speaker 3: I said, Oh my gosh, I mean, come on, bet
Speaker 3: the late lay up. Next night, he comes with a box,
Speaker 3: a shoe box. He says, these are for you. I said,
Speaker 3: what are they? He says, they're the shoes I want
Speaker 3: you to wear. These. They were six hundred dollars a
Speaker 3: pair of alligator shoes. Oh wow, I said, I can't
Speaker 3: take those. I said, it's speed. I just can't take
Speaker 3: them from it. Don't worry about it. I've got six
Speaker 3: pair of them. They're different colors. He gave them to me,
Speaker 3: and I said, well, I can't go down to the
Speaker 3: windows circle in the mud with these shoes. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't want to root them. He says, hey, schmuck,
Speaker 3: where do you think alligators live?
Speaker 4: Really? I mean, so he.
Speaker 3: Gave me the shoes. I mean buried in my closet
Speaker 3: right now. Really, he's the best, the best.
Speaker 1: Did you ever wear the shoes?
Speaker 3: Never warn there my pet Rose shoes that are in
Speaker 3: my closet now, never wear them.
Speaker 4: And that's my memory. I love him to death.
Speaker 3: But there's another story because years ago I was a
Speaker 3: part owner. I think I owned two percent of the
Speaker 3: Richmond Roosters baseball team in the Independent League.
Speaker 4: We sold the team. They moved to somewhere in Michigan.
Speaker 3: I don't know, same league as Florence Yawl's Okay, Independent
Speaker 3: Frontier League. And they want them to have the All
Speaker 3: Star game in Richmond. So we have Pete Rose. Pete
Speaker 3: Rose was a good speaker.
Speaker 4: They wanted me. Want the cash. He wanted like.
Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars, you know, to be a speaker. They
Speaker 3: spent their day with the guys with the team. He
Speaker 3: was wanted them, He's always wanted them. He's a great speaker.
Speaker 3: The guy was like a magnet with people. And that
Speaker 3: night we drove back from Richmond, Indiana, where did he
Speaker 3: go straight to Litonia Race Course and went to the
Speaker 3: window and made some bets. But that's fine, there's nothing
Speaker 3: wrong with it. It's not illegal, Okay. But the following
Speaker 3: year there was a franchise in Wilmington, Ohio, and Wilmington
Speaker 3: wanted him. Okay, So we talked and he said he'd
Speaker 3: got to see whatever it may be.
Speaker 4: He said, here's the deal.
Speaker 3: If I'm going to Wilmington, I want to fly there.
Speaker 3: I'm not driving to Wilmington, and I said, Pete, you
Speaker 3: know it's like a forty five minute drive. Nope, I
Speaker 3: want a plane. That So Arnie Mets our good friend,
Speaker 3: piece good friend, my good buddy, Arnie Mets Pete Rose
Speaker 3: and myself we meet at the airport, you know, the
Speaker 3: Luncon Airport, and we get on this private plane this Arnie, Pete,
Speaker 3: myself and the pilot, and we're going over to Wilmington.
Speaker 3: And it took maybe about twenty two minutes from the
Speaker 3: entire flight in the air. While we're up in the air,
Speaker 3: this is Pete Rose's humor. Okay, Hey, Andy, Arnie, you
Speaker 3: guys know how to fly a plane. I said, no, Pete,
Speaker 3: I really don't. He said, what are we gonna do
Speaker 3: if the pilot it's a heart attack. That's Pete Rose's humor.
Speaker 3: That's what Pete was all about. Always joking, always laughing.
Speaker 3: You know, you go around people all the time, you
Speaker 3: talk to people, you see people, and there's always a
Speaker 3: dun oh, how you doing well?
Speaker 5: Not really?
Speaker 3: My back hurts.
Speaker 4: How you doing on?
Speaker 3: My answer sick? How you doing? I hate my boss.
Speaker 4: I hate my job.
Speaker 3: Never and all the years I've been with Pete Rose,
Speaker 3: never ever has he been down, negative, complaining about anything
Speaker 3: or anybody. The man is a prince.
Speaker 4: I love him to death.
Speaker 3: It's a shame they honoring him after his death, but
Speaker 3: they're honor going nevertheless. And I would love to see
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball do for Pete Rose what they do
Speaker 3: for Jackie Robinson. I love to see everybody wear a
Speaker 3: number fourteen jersey that day as they do with Jackie Robinson.
Speaker 3: They wear a forty two on their back for Jackie
Speaker 3: Robinson day on the fifteenth of April when he was
Speaker 3: signed to Major League Baseball. I got a lot more,
Speaker 3: but I just want you comments on Pete Rose because
Speaker 3: you know, look, he's a lightning rod. No doubt there's
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of people that love him. But also
Speaker 3: I think on the other side there's people that either
Speaker 3: envy him or can't stand him or hate him because
Speaker 3: an ego maniacs. To get to know him is to
Speaker 3: love him period.
Speaker 1: Well, Andy, I will tell you that I only got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to really sit down and talk with Pete
Speaker 1: Rose one time. It's when I was doing Afternoons on
Speaker 1: the Fox and he was doing a charity thing out
Speaker 1: at the Mighty Ducks hockey game out at the Garden,
Speaker 1: and he was promoting that they had him out there
Speaker 1: as the special celebrity to raise money for a charity
Speaker 1: at a Mighty Ducks hockey game. So that's my only exposure.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you in that fifteen to twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: you're right just to talk to Pete Rose. He was mesmerizing.
Speaker 1: He was a person of the people, and he was
Speaker 1: one of the easiest guys in the world to talk
Speaker 1: to and telling stories and just and I thought all
Speaker 1: the things I'd heard about Pete Rose ever since I
Speaker 1: got to Cincinnati and before that, because I was here
Speaker 1: after the band and after he was out of baseball.
Speaker 1: But all the things i'd heard just kind of melted away,
Speaker 1: and my impression of Pete Rose all revolved around actually
Speaker 1: meeting him and knowing him, because you're right to know
Speaker 1: him is way different than the perception you might have
Speaker 1: had otherwise, especially being an out of towner like I
Speaker 1: was and not being a lifelong Reds fan. To finally
Speaker 1: meet Pete Rose was a great thrill and it exceeded
Speaker 1: my expectations.
Speaker 3: So you got one more funny, Yeah, one more. I
Speaker 3: mean I was hosting a co host in work for
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio, and for years I was the morning
Speaker 3: co host of Mike North, who was just inducted into
Speaker 3: Chicago Radio Hall of Fame. He was a great guy,
Speaker 3: Mike North. I love him. But right now I kind
Speaker 3: of cut back and I'm doing like fill ins and weekends.
Speaker 3: So I was doing a weekend shift on a Saturday
Speaker 3: afternoon and my co host, why can't who it was
Speaker 3: at the time, he was talking about Pete Rose in
Speaker 3: some light. I mean, it wasn't negative. It was talking
Speaker 3: about him for some reason. And we went to break
Speaker 3: and I talked to him and he's in La obviously,
Speaker 3: and I'm here We're doing the show by remote, and
Speaker 3: I said, let's get him on. We said, what are
Speaker 3: you talking about it? I said, well, you know you
Speaker 3: mentioned Pete. I said, then you get him. During the break,
Speaker 3: I called Pete and the next break he got on
Speaker 3: the air with us. I mean, you know who would
Speaker 3: do that? I mean, really, I contact people every.
Speaker 4: Day of my life.
Speaker 3: Okay, I call people, I write people, and I'm totally
Speaker 3: at times. And you know this, he writes that people
Speaker 3: are busy. I'm ignored, not me, but people ignore you.
Speaker 3: That's what they do. They're busy.
Speaker 4: They don't want to talk back.
Speaker 3: I mean, Pete Rose is always there, always been there,
Speaker 3: never turned me down for a phone call, for an interview,
Speaker 3: whatever it may have been. He was always there for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just the way he was. And we
Speaker 3: were on the radio and nationally on Fox Sports for
Speaker 3: at least twenty twenty five minutes, and that's just the
Speaker 3: way he is, you know, And I miss him dearly.
Speaker 3: You know I think that I think major League Baseball.
Speaker 4: Missus him dearly.
Speaker 3: I really do. He's a great ambassador he was for
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball. I think it's a shame that there's
Speaker 3: so much controversy swirling around them, especially now. I mean,
Speaker 3: you can't turn left or right, whether anything about gambling,
Speaker 3: you know, involving baseball bet now that he had all
Speaker 3: these betting operations, you go to the ballpark that got
Speaker 3: bill boards about betting. I mean, come on, really, let
Speaker 3: it go. You know, I'm seeing what's happening now, and
Speaker 3: i want to relate this to something really stupid, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it anyway that God bless the
Speaker 3: family or the police Henderson. But the policeman who is
Speaker 3: killed by the.
Speaker 4: Share deputy.
Speaker 3: Right, and there's a possibility that this lunatic or killed
Speaker 3: him in his car may get off with a mental deal. Right,
Speaker 3: he should be hung, really hung on Fountain Square. And
Speaker 3: if he gets out of that, I mean, and he's
Speaker 3: gone free or go to jail, whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: I mean, really there is no law whatsoever. But p
Speaker 3: Rose still can't get into the Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 3: know it's a stretch, but I'm trying to make some
Speaker 3: comparison to see how weird some things are.
Speaker 1: Well, your takes are are sometimes the weirdest things that
Speaker 1: I hear in an entire show. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you can compare a vehicular homicide of a sheriff's deputy.
Speaker 3: You know, keeping Pete Rose out is something that really
Speaker 3: and absolutely free.
Speaker 1: Andy. Look, in my estimation, there was absolutely no justification
Speaker 1: whatsoever that Pete Rose wasn't in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. There's none because Baseball turned a blind
Speaker 1: eye to players doing and performance enhancing drugs after the
Speaker 1: strike in the mid nineties, and he had all the
Speaker 1: disputed asterisk home run records. But that's what baseball wanted
Speaker 1: because they needed to bring the fans back. And then
Speaker 1: when it came to light, then when it came to
Speaker 1: light that Mark McGuire, maybe Sammy Sosa, Jose Cardenseko, you know,
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds were using and these aid these drugs that
Speaker 1: aided them to hit all these home runs and break
Speaker 1: all these records that they're they're now shunned and they
Speaker 1: may not get in the Hall of Fame. And that's
Speaker 1: a travesty too, because that was on Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: and what they allowed, what they turned their heads from
Speaker 1: knowing it was going on, and now they blackball these players.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. And it all goes back to that idiot
Speaker 1: who was the commissioner of Major League Baseball who created
Speaker 1: the lifetime ban in the first place. Kenton Mountain a mountain,
Speaker 1: Kenton landis who said that this is the law of
Speaker 1: the land. Do I think that baseball players or participants
Speaker 1: in athletic competitions should be able to wager and influence
Speaker 1: the outcome of games. No, but should it be a
Speaker 1: death penalty? Hell no.
Speaker 3: Well look, let's go back to the nineteen ninety Black
Speaker 3: Sox World Series that he influenced, the World Series. I mean,
Speaker 3: so it is the possibility today.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 3: But you've got a guy like ty Cobbs in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and he kills somebody, he shot somebody. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's in the Hall of Fame. All I'm saying is
Speaker 3: this just take one case. In one case of particular,
Speaker 3: that's Pete Rose. Here's the all time hit record, and
Speaker 3: he did not any drugs to help him get those hits.
Speaker 3: Period in the story, you got a zero in put
Speaker 3: the blinders on.
Speaker 4: Look what he did.
Speaker 3: Look at his record and how did he do it? Boom, yay, gambled, yay,
Speaker 3: beg Okay, did that alter or affect his hits?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: End of story.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, and the hit record is in the
Speaker 1: Hall of fame, but Pete's bust should be there as well,
Speaker 1: and it should have happened, not posthumously. It should have happened,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned twenty years ago, but they were just
Speaker 1: reticent to do it. You're right. Everybody has a betting
Speaker 1: app now, ESPN, who covers game, who broadcast Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball games, has a bet app now.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's.
Speaker 1: Such hypocrisy to the highest level.
Speaker 3: Are you going to tell me that major league not
Speaker 3: baseball players but athletes in general are not wagering. I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, are you kidding me? They had an NBA
Speaker 3: official who was kicked out of the league for betting.
Speaker 3: They're doing it all the time, and now that it's
Speaker 3: so easy to do, we could do it on your phone,
Speaker 3: they are doing it. They may not be betting on
Speaker 3: their own team, on their own game, they may not
Speaker 3: be betting on anything, but they're betting. That's what they do.
Speaker 3: Our society bets. They wager. I'm not saying it's good
Speaker 3: to bed, but it's there and they do it.
Speaker 1: No question, Andy, no question. Any comments while we have
Speaker 1: a few more minutes left, any comments on the upcoming
Speaker 1: release of the Bengals schedule, which is also going to
Speaker 1: happen on Wednesday night, which will be overshadowed here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 4: Probably don't want to keep this.
Speaker 3: I am shocked that an announcement like that gets the
Speaker 3: attention that it has. I mean, it just shows you
Speaker 3: the marketing machine of the National Football League and the
Speaker 3: interest obviously in the fans in the National Football League
Speaker 3: because you know, I know on Fox Sports.
Speaker 4: Radio, football moves the needle.
Speaker 3: That's basically what it does. They don't talk hockey, there's
Speaker 3: no hockey talk. We talk a little bit NBA basketball
Speaker 3: playoffs since we do not during this playoffs. And baseball, yeah,
Speaker 3: and baseball. I don't think they touched baseball. We don't,
Speaker 3: I mean we are I haven't. We don't talk baseball
Speaker 3: maybe until the playoffs. Really, so, what does that tell
Speaker 3: you that what the fans want? They want action, They
Speaker 3: want a start at a finish. Why don't like baseball
Speaker 3: because baseball players are wonderful, it's one and done, it's drama.
Speaker 1: Well, don't you admit there's an awful lot of interest
Speaker 1: because of the NFL's marketing, and they like they stop
Speaker 1: playing after the Super Bowl. But the NFL is never
Speaker 1: out of the headlines. I agree with that's just no doubt.
Speaker 1: That's the point. As a PR person, you should respect
Speaker 1: the NFL's PR gravitas.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a PR machine, there's no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 3: But the thing is with the NFL, less is more.
Speaker 3: What do I mean by that seventeen games? That that
Speaker 3: is not anywhere near one hundred and sixty two that
Speaker 3: the Major League Baseball players play because they're meaningless Tomorrow
Speaker 3: night when the Reds play the White Sox. In the
Speaker 3: scheme of things, what does it mean? It doesn't mean anything. Really,
Speaker 3: It's entertainment. If you want to go, kids will love it. Right,
Speaker 3: But again, there's no start, there's no finish. It doesn't
Speaker 3: mean anything after.
Speaker 4: They win or lose. Right, you may look back.
Speaker 3: In September and say, well, if they would have won
Speaker 3: that series back in April, maybe they could have won
Speaker 3: this and could have moved into the playoffs. But other
Speaker 3: than that, it doesn't mean anything. But in football, look
Speaker 3: what the Bengals did. They dropped their first couple of games,
Speaker 3: they lost the opening game to the worst team in
Speaker 3: the league, New England, and now they didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Mean you look back, seventeen games mean a lot. Every
Speaker 3: game means something. Every game really doesn't mean anything in baseball.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: I don't know why baseball plays one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: two games.
Speaker 4: But it money.
Speaker 3: Yunny when you have a question, it's all about the
Speaker 3: green cabbage. That's you know, gelp, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: But I will tell you this much. They didn't do
Speaker 3: any famous for anybody, especially the fans when they expanded
Speaker 3: the playoffs. You play one hundred and sixty two games,
Speaker 3: then you're going deep into the playoffs. You can't figure
Speaker 3: out who the best teams are. Then when they had
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty four games and they had eight
Speaker 3: and eight in each league, eight and eight, and they
Speaker 3: had the winners of each league, American and nationball to
Speaker 3: the World Series.
Speaker 4: Boom.
Speaker 3: You figured it out during the regular season who's the
Speaker 3: best in each division, American and National and you played
Speaker 3: in the World Series. Now it doesn't mean anything. You
Speaker 3: go in a wildcard team could go there and win
Speaker 3: the World Series. But again, it's about money. It's about
Speaker 3: TV money, and that's you know. That's the way it is.
Speaker 3: Sure well as good as a bed, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't particularly enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: It proves the important thing. And let's come back to
Speaker 1: the original start of the conversation. Wednesday night is a
Speaker 1: special night, you would agree, and it's very important that
Speaker 1: the fans and the Reds and the city gets to
Speaker 1: celebrate a true Cincinnati icon on Wednesday night for the
Speaker 1: first time really in a long time, and it's long overdue.
Speaker 1: And seven out of WLW, obviously is the home of
Speaker 1: the Reds be a big part of that celebration. We'll
Speaker 1: start with our broadcast as Moegger was talking just a
Speaker 1: little while ago, at three o'clock from the Holy Grail,
Speaker 1: and just take you right through the ball game. So
Speaker 1: be there, looking forward to a great night and always
Speaker 1: look forward to our conversations. Andy Furman, thank you so
Speaker 1: much once again being part of a rare nightcap. The
Speaker 1: next nightcap app isn't scheduled unless there's a Reds rain out,
Speaker 1: which can always happen until Memorial Day night, May twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: And I hope to talk.
Speaker 4: To you then, God bless you really.
Speaker 1: And I got to end this way there. You can't
Speaker 1: spell Furman without f you. All right, so good so far.
Speaker 1: We still have a little time to spend talking about
Speaker 1: Pete Rose and the special celebration on Wednesday night at
Speaker 1: Great American Ballpark, which seven hundred WLW, of course, will
Speaker 1: be a big part of in bringing to you if
Speaker 1: you can't be at the game on Wednesday night as
Speaker 1: we celebrate fourteen. So just after the top of the hour,
Speaker 1: just after the news, coming up next, we will have
Speaker 1: a discussion with I think the biggest Pete Rose fan
Speaker 1: I don't know, Andy Furman, he's right up there, and
Speaker 1: maybe they're one A and one B when it comes
Speaker 1: to being fans of number fourteen, Charlie Hustle. But the
Speaker 1: wild Man will be on next to talk about Pete
Speaker 1: Rose's long overdue celebration on Wednesday night. Coming up in
Speaker 1: just a few minutes our of this nightcap this evening,
Speaker 1: and we're still in Pete Rose mode with the big
Speaker 1: celebration night at GADP this Wednesday night. A guy who's
Speaker 1: at Reds games all the time, I'm sure he's not
Speaker 1: going to miss this, although I hope he can can
Speaker 1: be for this one because he's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: Pete Rose fans I've ever met in my life. And
Speaker 1: that's saying something around here. Wild man Walker joins us
Speaker 1: for a few minutes tonight on seven hundred WLW wild Man.
Speaker 1: Are you excited for Wednesday Night and the honoring of
Speaker 1: your hero?
Speaker 6: Well, I've been counting the days so since they announced
Speaker 6: that it would be on Wednesday night. First pitch seven fourteen.
Speaker 6: How ironic that fourteen.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any irony. I think that was
Speaker 1: a planned deal.
Speaker 6: But okay, well that's also starts on Friday's badge number
Speaker 6: and dragon it by the.
Speaker 1: Way, you would know that. What were we going to say?
Speaker 6: Well, the Great American Ballpark capacity is forty eight and fourteen.
Speaker 6: The largest regular season crowd ever at Great American Ballpark
Speaker 6: took place on the July third, twenty twenty three, when
Speaker 6: forty four thousand, seventy three showed up. There is a
Speaker 6: very good chance that this could be the largest regular
Speaker 6: season crowd and Great American Ballpark history. And that's saying something.
Speaker 6: When you mentioned the name Pete Rose, that would tell
Speaker 6: you right there how many people love that man. So
Speaker 6: you know what I say to Rob Manfred, you hate live.
Speaker 1: Rob Manfred is the least of your worries when it
Speaker 1: comes to how Major League Baseball has treated Pete rose
Speaker 1: over the yere. He's just the latest placeholder. He needs
Speaker 1: to get up off his stick, so to speak, and
Speaker 1: remedy this now. And are you one of those people
Speaker 1: that just don't care anymore since Pete has passed and
Speaker 1: said it should have happen and when he was alive,
Speaker 1: and you know, major League Baseball has already blown it
Speaker 1: and they can't make up for it.
Speaker 6: Oh, I agree with Pete one hundred percent. That you know,
Speaker 6: if he couldn't be there, I mean, it's really for
Speaker 6: the family, So what's the point. But they just you know,
Speaker 6: here's the thing to Gary Jeff. Even if Manfred rules
Speaker 6: in favor of him, he still has to be put
Speaker 6: on the ballot by the Hall of Fame, and they're
Speaker 6: the ones that came up with the rule to keep
Speaker 6: him out. So that doesn't guarantee anything. If Manfred says, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm going to reinstate him, he still has to be
Speaker 6: put on the ballot by the Hall of Fame committee.
Speaker 6: Then the writers, and you know some of them writers
Speaker 6: there the whole leader. Then now there's a few of
Speaker 6: them in this town that never did anything wrong. They
Speaker 6: wouldn't vote for Pete. So to me, it's all mute.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, one hundred times, the Pete
Speaker 6: Rose they had the Reds have the number retired, his number,
Speaker 6: his statues outside, and his jerseys retire.
Speaker 1: That's good enough for me. Do you think they should
Speaker 1: make this an annual thing, Pete Rose Knight every year
Speaker 1: on whatever date it falls on.
Speaker 6: Nah, I don't know, now, Just well once is enough.
Speaker 6: Just as you know that they set the record, that's
Speaker 6: even better. That's that's really if we set the record
Speaker 6: with the attendants, that'd be great. And you know, I
Speaker 6: mean that when your Reds picked the schedule, they picked
Speaker 6: it against one of the lousiest teams during the week.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if they thought that the crowd
Speaker 6: would respond like they did, but they did because the
Speaker 6: White Sox are not good. I mean they're not good
Speaker 6: at all. And it's a week night, and I know
Speaker 6: they're giving away p Rose jerseys to everybody that comes in,
Speaker 6: but still a Wednesday night, forty four thousand in the house.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you they're playing lousy and the White Sox steak.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, wild Man. For our part,
Speaker 1: the Home of the Reds is going all out there
Speaker 1: they're treating this like Opening Day because we're going to
Speaker 1: be out there at the Holy Grail at yeah. Absolute,
Speaker 1: but we're doing it right. We're paying our homage to
Speaker 1: Number fourteen. So on another subject, let's talk about Bingles
Speaker 1: schedule release on Wednesday. It's happening the same day is
Speaker 1: the Pete Rose game night game celebration. Are you more
Speaker 1: concent I won't worry.
Speaker 6: I won't worry about that until i'm home after the game.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure i'll get my phone, but I
Speaker 6: don't really get excited about the schedule from the perspective.
Speaker 1: Of the Bengals fan that you are. And I talked
Speaker 1: to Moegger about this, and I'll ask you the same question.
Speaker 1: Does it matter who the Bengals play and win or
Speaker 1: how they play, especially to start this season? Isn't that
Speaker 1: the key? Really?
Speaker 6: I don't care who they play when they start the season.
Speaker 6: They'll be ready this time, or Zach Taylor will be fired,
Speaker 6: They'll be ready to play the opening game. I guarantee
Speaker 6: you this time, Zach Taylor is on the hot seat,
Speaker 6: and those boys will be ready to play because they're
Speaker 6: losing that game to the New England Patriots cost them
Speaker 6: a chance to be in the playoffs, and that was that.
Speaker 6: That was Zach Taylor's bolt one percent. They'll be ready.
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll get a couple of primetime games, which
Speaker 6: is cool. I don't want the Bengals going overseas to play.
Speaker 6: That's a loss. I don't care. They could play Little
Speaker 6: Sisters of the Poor. They would lose that game going
Speaker 6: overseas to play all the games here.
Speaker 1: All right, as God intended it. So I think that
Speaker 1: not only did the New England loss at the beginning
Speaker 1: of last season keep them out of the playoffs, obviously
Speaker 1: from a mathematical standpoint, but from a psychological standpoint, I
Speaker 1: think it probably cost them a few other games during
Speaker 1: the season because their heads just weren't right. And that
Speaker 1: does go to coaching, doesn't it. I Mean, obviously there
Speaker 1: were issues with injuries and talent. That's always an issue.
Speaker 1: But you gotta have you got to have almost a
Speaker 1: force greg mindset, don't you.
Speaker 4: Well, without a doubt?
Speaker 6: I mean, because you know there's only sixteen seventeen games.
Speaker 6: I mean, you've got to come out ready to play
Speaker 6: every damn game.
Speaker 1: Every game.
Speaker 6: I mean, those the New England Patriots when they were
Speaker 6: coached by Bill Belichick. They came out ready to play
Speaker 6: every game. Now they didn't win every game, but those
Speaker 6: guys came out they were ready to play every game.
Speaker 6: But it's just so sad that we've had to watch
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor the last three years.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it getting ready to play, right,
Speaker 1: But it's not just it's not just last season, wild man.
Speaker 1: It seems every year the Bengals start like a snail
Speaker 1: and then you know, they got to act like a
Speaker 1: thoroughbred race horse just to get to five hundred or
Speaker 1: or hopefully sniff the playoffs. This this early season slump
Speaker 1: every year cannot continue. And if it does, you said, justifiably,
Speaker 1: Zach should be gone.
Speaker 6: The last three years, they've you know, they've they've come
Speaker 6: out of the gate Lowsey and you know, and again,
Speaker 6: you know, if Zach Taylor's fold, but the media here
Speaker 6: in this town, they give him a pass. They did
Speaker 6: him get away with it, and then he just throws
Speaker 6: out these excuses and the media buys it, and it
Speaker 6: makes it drives you crazy. The real fans know, they
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 1: You've got to be ready to play.
Speaker 6: I mean, you got to have the guys football players
Speaker 6: like baseball players, basketball players, the creatures of habit man.
Speaker 6: You know, if you're gonna get hurt, you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 6: You know, why are you so worried about it. I'm
Speaker 6: getting hurt in a in a preseason game that had
Speaker 6: it just happens. If it happens, it happens, you're gonna
Speaker 6: get hurt. When you try not to get hurt, that's
Speaker 6: when you do get hurt. And they haven't been ready,
Speaker 6: and that they better be ready this year. That's all
Speaker 6: I got to say, because if they lose the first
Speaker 6: game to start the season, this town's gonna go bizarre.
Speaker 6: They're gonna go crazy.
Speaker 1: You got a bone to pick with Trey Hendrickson too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Trey Henderson. You know, I wanted to play
Speaker 6: the Bengals heavy under contract, so I don't know why
Speaker 6: he's bitching about it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get He's gonna.
Speaker 6: Get twenty million, fifteen million or whatever he's gonna get
Speaker 6: because our franchise tag his butt. But shut up, shut
Speaker 6: up about the negotiations in public, to shut your mouth,
Speaker 6: you know, and talk about and do it in private,
Speaker 6: to shut up. Don't bring it to do so the
Speaker 6: fans can get all upset and the fans will know
Speaker 6: what they're talking about either because Trey Henderson he's great,
Speaker 6: a great pass rusher, but he's not much like a
Speaker 6: guy that can stop the run. But the money he's
Speaker 6: gonna get paid now, he's, you know, going public. The
Speaker 6: Bengals haven't talked to me. Blah blah blah, shut up,
Speaker 6: shut up and play.
Speaker 1: Tell you something else that's on my radar, and it
Speaker 1: will be the only time that this this league is
Speaker 1: on my radar. Is it's Opening night coming up with
Speaker 1: my Indiana fever and Caitlin Clark. I know you you
Speaker 1: fell in love with that girl watching her last season
Speaker 1: in their first year in professional women's basketball. Are you
Speaker 1: excited for that at all?
Speaker 6: I'm not really excited, but I'll be tuning in watching
Speaker 6: some of the games. But I am gonna buy a
Speaker 6: Caitlyn Clark funko. I'm gonna buy Caitlyn Clark funko.
Speaker 1: Very nice.
Speaker 4: Yes, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what a funko is.
Speaker 6: Oh, you don't know what a funko is? Okay, well
Speaker 6: google it up. Google it up. The Reds gave them away.
Speaker 6: They give away, Hey, Hadio Suarez funkos. They give away
Speaker 6: Joey Vado funkos, give away Johnny Bench funkos.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, was there ever a wild Band Funko as
Speaker 1: far as you know, No.
Speaker 6: No, Wildman Wobbler, Wildman Wobbler cyclones history. They gave away baboheads.
Speaker 6: But I'm the only Wobbler. Yeah, you don't have a
Speaker 6: Wildman Wobbler.
Speaker 1: No, I don't have you got you got I'll get
Speaker 1: you one? Yeah, well you will? You will you sign
Speaker 1: it for me?
Speaker 6: Well, of course I must have signed a thousand of
Speaker 6: those that night they gave him away at the game. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'll send you a picture of what it looks like. Okay,
Speaker 6: all right, wild Man, I'll give you a wild Man Wildler.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you're going to the game obviously Wednesday night.
Speaker 6: I'm going down early. I'll be down there around four
Speaker 6: thirty and I'll be holding court kissing babies near the
Speaker 6: Pete Rose statue, and I'm probably not going to go
Speaker 6: into about six thirty, so I got meeting a couple
Speaker 6: of people, but I'll be early just to experience the
Speaker 6: scene and see what people were doing and that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a resurrection of the rail game Wednesday night, Pete
Speaker 1: Rose Celebration Night.
Speaker 6: None of those bums are going None of those bums
Speaker 6: are going.
Speaker 1: Well, at least was there at least once.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm the lead bumbs, so I'll be.
Speaker 1: There all right, wild Man, Thanks for your time. Man.
Speaker 1: Good stuff from wild Man Walker tonight on Pete Rose
Speaker 1: Celebration Night, Wednesday night at the Reds game against the
Speaker 1: White Socks. They'll be back at it tomorrow night. As
Speaker 1: the homestand continues or returns to Cincinnati, and up next
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter for a few minutes of tech talk. You're
Speaker 1: on seven Hunter WLW KAV Gary Jeff turning to our
Speaker 1: tech guru, our friend who even calls himself Doomsday Dave
Speaker 1: or Tinfoil Hat Dave, which proves he's really living in
Speaker 1: another age for a guy who works in cyberspace for
Speaker 1: a living. But he tells you about the threats that
Speaker 1: are out there, things to look out for, and sometimes
Speaker 1: for some of these people that may be a little esoteric,
Speaker 1: and they go, I don't know how this really affects me,
Speaker 1: but this could affect anybody who's interested in bitcoin. A
Speaker 1: huge Bitcoin ATM fraud recently hit Arizona very hard. Millions
Speaker 1: of people or millions of dollars were lost in this scheme,
Speaker 1: and it's something you need to look out for. If
Speaker 1: it sounds too good to be true, it might be
Speaker 1: bitcoin or the fraud that's connected with this story. Dave Hatter,
Speaker 1: how you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm good, Gary, Jeff as always, thanks for having me on,
Speaker 5: and you know, I appreciate the venue to talk about
Speaker 5: these things, and I think it is important to try
Speaker 5: to give people real world examples. And you know, here's
Speaker 5: one that's hit the press. This is not exclusive to
Speaker 5: Ara Zone by any means, but apparently it's been somewhat
Speaker 5: rampant there. But I just want to start out by
Speaker 5: reminding people the scammers that are attacking us digitally now
Speaker 5: are basically old school con artists who just have new
Speaker 5: ways to reach us. Whether it's text, it's email, it's voice,
Speaker 5: it's video games, social media. Right, there's all these different
Speaker 5: channels where people are now, and they can reach huge
Speaker 5: numbers of people at little to no cost, and in
Speaker 5: most cases they're offshore, so at little to no risk
Speaker 5: to them. And you know they're commerce. Of course, they're
Speaker 5: going to steal your money if you make it easy
Speaker 5: for them. So this is just another example of how
Speaker 5: they will leverage easy existing channels again, email, text, et
Speaker 5: cetera to reach you and then try to use social
Speaker 5: engineering to convince you to do something that's not in
Speaker 5: your interest. In this particulter case, it might be a
Speaker 5: text that claims to be from the IRS. Lots of
Speaker 5: people have gotten these texts that claims that they owe tolls. Right.
Speaker 5: It could be an email that claims to be from
Speaker 5: the FBI or local sheriff. I mean, it literally could
Speaker 5: be anything. But usually usually they're going to go with
Speaker 5: some sort of government agency angle. They're going to tell you,
Speaker 5: you know, you've got to warrant out, you've violated some
Speaker 5: kind of law something like that, right, catch you up
Speaker 5: guard all entities.
Speaker 1: All entities and agencies, by the way, that do not
Speaker 1: text or call you. They'll send you a letter, or
Speaker 1: they may come visit you in person, but they're not
Speaker 1: going to call or text you.
Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly right, Garry, Jeff. And that's an important
Speaker 5: part of the story is that you know, for example,
Speaker 5: the IRS, go to the IRS's website, they will tell
Speaker 5: you exactly what they will and will not do.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: So, if you think that you have been contacted by
Speaker 5: some sort of government agency because you've done some bad thing.
Speaker 5: Ninety nine point nine nine nine percent likelihood they will
Speaker 5: not call or text you first. But then I call,
Speaker 5: They're not going to text you or send you an email. Okay,
Speaker 5: So the first thing you should do is stop and
Speaker 5: go out of band. That's what we nerds like to call.
Speaker 5: Find a different way to communicate than the email.
Speaker 4: Or whatever you got.
Speaker 5: Don't use any phone numbers, don't click any links in
Speaker 5: an email or a text or whatever, because they're easy
Speaker 5: to scoop. If the IRS supposedly is contacting you, or
Speaker 5: the handling accounting, sheriff shops or whatever, you go find
Speaker 5: their website. You go find a form you can sell
Speaker 5: out on that website, or find a phone number you
Speaker 5: can call and call them. Do not do not go
Speaker 5: find an ATM that you can put cash into in
Speaker 5: exchange for bitcoin to pay the criminals, because that's the scam, right,
Speaker 5: They're trying to convince you you're guilty of some crime
Speaker 5: and that you can get off the hook if you
Speaker 5: go find an ATM that does bitcoin, which these are
Speaker 5: you are fairly common now.
Speaker 1: And the thing is that that bitcoin is not regulated, right, correct.
Speaker 5: So again, these folks are very creative. They go where
Speaker 5: the people are. They'll use whatever social engineering slash lies
Speaker 5: they need to to catch you off guard, catch you
Speaker 5: without you know, stopping to think. How realistic is it
Speaker 5: that the Hamlin County Sheriff's office would tell me I
Speaker 5: need to go get bitcoin out of an ATM to
Speaker 5: pay off a.
Speaker 3: Fine or something.
Speaker 5: And I mean, let's be real, it's not realistic at all.
Speaker 5: Call them and they'll tell you that, you know. So,
Speaker 5: I think it's really important to just constant keep reminding
Speaker 5: people that you have to be extremely skeptical and vigilant.
Speaker 5: These scams are everywhere. These folks are smart and creative.
Speaker 5: And the more skeptically you are, the more you slow down,
Speaker 5: take a breath, Remember, go out of van, you reach
Speaker 5: out using numbers, emails, whatever that you can verify on
Speaker 5: your own, your incidents or your likelihood of you being
Speaker 5: scammed will go way down.
Speaker 1: Excellent advice. I mean, I just don't even pay attention.
Speaker 1: I've gotten somebody of the toll text, you know, from
Speaker 1: some toll that apparently I went through and I didn't
Speaker 1: pay a fine in Florida, and I'm going, well, I
Speaker 1: haven't been to Florida, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've gotten several from the Ohio Turnpike. I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I couldn't even tell you the last time I was
Speaker 5: even near. That's well, let's have driven through it and not.
Speaker 4: Paid a toll.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's again skepticism, awareness, vigilance, you will vastly
Speaker 5: reduce the likelihood that you fall prey to this.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about bitcoin in general, Dave? You know,
Speaker 1: it's still on a lot of people's minds, and it
Speaker 1: is increasing in popularity. What are your thoughts just generally
Speaker 1: right now on bitcoin itself.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's way up again. I'm in favor
Speaker 5: of it, of seeming you understand that it's a speculative investment,
Speaker 5: you know, I think if you're looking at it as
Speaker 5: an investment versus let's say the stock market, and you're
Speaker 5: going to go all in and put all your money
Speaker 5: in there, I think you're potentially setting yourself up for
Speaker 5: total disaster. You know, I have a very small bitcoin position.
Speaker 5: I occasionally kick, you know, I might put twenty bucks
Speaker 5: a week into it or something, So you know, even
Speaker 5: if I lost it all, it's just not that big
Speaker 5: of a deal for me, but it continues to go up.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it does. I think it's proven
Speaker 5: itself as a store of value. I like the fact
Speaker 5: that it's not regulated. I think it has a future.
Speaker 5: But I just want to strongly, strongly encourage everyone. You know,
Speaker 5: don't take Dave Patter's advices investment advice.
Speaker 1: And you're not a certified financial planner.
Speaker 5: I am not Gary, Jeff, I am not, So you
Speaker 5: should not take any investment advice from me.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think you should look at it as.
Speaker 5: A speculative thing. I think it's a good idea to have,
Speaker 5: you know, have a little bitcoin, but don't put all
Speaker 5: your money in bitcoin. It's very vulnerable and it could
Speaker 5: be catastrophic for you if you do that.
Speaker 1: Dave Patter as always, thank you so much. Watch out
Speaker 1: for these scams.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: If they tell you to go to an ATM and
Speaker 1: get bitcoin and it's the sheriff's department, it ain't the
Speaker 1: sheriff's department, and you're going to lose whatever money you
Speaker 1: take out. Thank you so much, sir, my pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 1: More of the Nightcap. In just a moment after this
Speaker 1: news break on seven HUNDLWO Now my friend Rick Robinson,
Speaker 1: author of nineteen sixty eight local lawyer of Politico. He's,
Speaker 1: as my wife would term, a politiot. She'd coined that
Speaker 1: term several years ago after watching hours and hours of
Speaker 1: political commentary and the campaigns and the candidates go back
Speaker 1: and forth, and the talking heads talking about the candidates
Speaker 1: and the campaigns. She said, you know, there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of politios. So I hope you don't say I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that she didn't come up with that name
Speaker 1: after listening to you and I on the radio. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the big thing carried out. Well, you know, half
Speaker 1: the stuff we talk about maybe political in nature, but
Speaker 1: then you know, for some people everything is about politics
Speaker 1: all the time. And you know that as well as
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know. That's one of the things that
Speaker 1: I think is frustrating today is that everything in a
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds have to have some political tie
Speaker 1: to it. Reading about the pope today, the new pope
Speaker 1: coming in, Pope Leo, you know, suddenly the the internet
Speaker 1: is filled with all kinds of things that his brother said,
Speaker 1: you know about about pro tump Trump policies, uh, some
Speaker 1: very body things he said about uh Nancy Pelosi, you know,
Speaker 1: and part of part of what it is when when when,
Speaker 1: And it just so happened to be timing. But if
Speaker 1: they were getting ready to throw the white smoke out there,
Speaker 1: I Rock Neely is a great author over in northern
Speaker 1: Kentucky if you if you ever read his books, they're wonderful.
Speaker 1: But he had posted a picture of a side by
Speaker 1: side of the white smoke coming out and Snoop sneaking
Speaker 1: into the conclave with with a bag of weed. I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. I reposted it. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: you you know, I mean, I got I got several
Speaker 1: people who who were put on my Facebook that's not funny.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to go, well, yeah, yeah, it's fun
Speaker 1: Now you may not like the humor, or you may
Speaker 1: not you're getting all wound up at the baltics of it,
Speaker 1: but actually it's pretty damn funny of Snoop showing up
Speaker 1: at the conclave to get white smoke. Well, comedy is
Speaker 1: not an objective thing. It's a subjective thing, and it
Speaker 1: depends on who you are, and every different things are
Speaker 1: funny to different people. Rick, And and you know what,
Speaker 1: if it's not that you can't say it and see
Speaker 1: that's that's the point is we got to this point
Speaker 1: in our country with the word police and censorship that
Speaker 1: if somebody thought it was funny, you still couldn't say it,
Speaker 1: you know. And only people like Dave Chappelle and others
Speaker 1: who had enough money and gravitas that they didn't worry
Speaker 1: about what was being said about them in the public
Speaker 1: space would say what they wanted to say because they
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. On the other hand, there are
Speaker 1: people's sensibilities, and my advice to them is, well, just
Speaker 1: don't read it, don't listen to it. If you don't
Speaker 1: think it's funny, don't watch it. The it's simple. The
Speaker 1: late great Pgo O'Rourke in his book Republican Party, PJ
Speaker 1: and I got to know each other fairly well when
Speaker 1: I was when I was living in DC, and he
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Republican Party Reptile, And it's this
Speaker 1: great line in there when he talks about what is
Speaker 1: a Republican Party reptile? And it is one of the
Speaker 1: things he talks about is that you can say you
Speaker 1: shouldn't make fun of things, but that doesn't mean when
Speaker 1: you do it it's not funny. Funny as involuntary funnly
Speaker 1: is laughter. They can say you shouldn't say that, but
Speaker 1: in fact it may be funny in the process. You
Speaker 1: may get a chuckle out of it when you do it.
Speaker 1: And we well, there are a lot of people we
Speaker 1: need to get our as you know, there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who aren't trying to be funny. They
Speaker 1: think they're being totally serious, but they're hilarious. Like Hank Johnson,
Speaker 1: the representative who thought that Guam was gonna tip over
Speaker 1: because American troops were on. We sent more American troops.
Speaker 1: Guam was gonna tip over. That's funny. I mean, that's hilarious,
Speaker 1: But he wasn't. He wasn't attempting comedy. I thought, I
Speaker 1: thought we lost part of Guam during that, and we've
Speaker 1: done a tilt and they roll off. Now, oh no,
Speaker 1: that was that was the aircraft carriers. Yeah right, okay, okay, no,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, A lot of people
Speaker 1: say things that wind up being hilarious, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: their intention at all. That is true, That is very true,
Speaker 1: And I wonder what kind of you know, Stephen Colbert
Speaker 1: had father Guido Sarducci on during the conclave. I wonder
Speaker 1: if I wonder if he got hate mail. That's because
Speaker 1: you know, Gudo Guido was brilliant. Don Novella, who is
Speaker 1: the writer to me? To me, I can't watch Stephen
Speaker 1: Colbert because number one, I really don't think he's funny,
Speaker 1: so I don't want it. And number two, he's a
Speaker 1: one trick pony. If it's not anti Trump or anti conservative,
Speaker 1: he doesn't poke fun at it at all. Generally, he's
Speaker 1: just he's very much a one sided kind of guy.
Speaker 1: He's like a cheerleader. Stephen Colbert is like Sean Hannity
Speaker 1: with better hair. Do you remember, though the time frame
Speaker 1: when Johnny Carson would go on or some of the
Speaker 1: great hosts of the late night fun Buddy, they'd make
Speaker 1: fun of everybody. Yes, that was the point. He was
Speaker 1: friends with Ronald Reagan and probably did one of the
Speaker 1: best Ronald Reagan impersonations of anybody. I agree.
Speaker 4: You know that.
Speaker 1: There's another thing about some of these reporters who have
Speaker 1: obviously been very very biased liberally and anti Trump outwardly,
Speaker 1: even though they said they were just being objective and
Speaker 1: calling it straight down the middle. And we've seen that
Speaker 1: from MSNBC and to a lesser extent now CNN ABC
Speaker 1: definitely is a very liberal biased and famous book by
Speaker 1: Bernard Goldberg, who was a liberal who got fired from
Speaker 1: CBS for writing the novel Bias that pointed out the
Speaker 1: liberal bias in America's newsrooms in a majority of media centers,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those people when when Trump won
Speaker 1: again in November, have nowhere to go because no one's
Speaker 1: listening to them. A lot of people are not listening
Speaker 1: to them now with their anti Trump bias, and they're
Speaker 1: anty Trump reporting. And it reminded me. And you'll be
Speaker 1: old enough to remember this. Your forte is nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: as in the book that you wrote, but this was
Speaker 1: about nineteen seventy seventy one, seventy two. There was a
Speaker 1: great impression this named David Fry, who did the best
Speaker 1: law David Fry did the best Richard Nixon impression ever.
Speaker 1: And when Richard Nixon. I have that album by the way,
Speaker 1: when I had Richard Nixon Superstar, Yes, I had it
Speaker 1: as a kid, and I loved it and it was
Speaker 1: such a great Nixon impression. But when Nixon left office,
Speaker 1: David fries career was over. Yeah, over. What was there
Speaker 1: to do after Well, when you concentrate on what he
Speaker 1: could have done, impressions of anybody, but his forte was
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon, and the left's the left media bias cultures
Speaker 1: for Forte has been attacking Donald Trump, and it starts
Speaker 1: starts not working, and people stop watching and listening because
Speaker 1: they know what they're gonna get and it's all one sided.
Speaker 1: They've got nowhere to go. And you've seen the firings
Speaker 1: uh at CNN, Chuck Todd's gone now and all these
Speaker 1: other people who were obviously so blatantly anti Trump on everything,
Speaker 1: nobody's watching or listening to them, and and the networks
Speaker 1: and the networks away from you're no longer viable, So
Speaker 1: more polydiots, we're back to politiots. Well, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: if if, if you, if you get a chance to look,
Speaker 1: we should get had Her back on here, because had
Speaker 1: Her isn't elect that official. You know, he's the reluctant
Speaker 1: mayor of fort right, he didn't want to do it
Speaker 1: again and he and he said, well, Dave, there's nobody else.
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of that scene and it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful life where they're going to close the building and loan.
Speaker 1: Potter's gonna shut it down, and he can. George convinces
Speaker 1: the board with his impassioned speech to keep the building
Speaker 1: and loan open, so if anything else, people don't have
Speaker 1: to run to Potter. And the chairman or whoever he is,
Speaker 1: who was in the meeting rushes out after George storms
Speaker 1: out and gives Potter the reads Potter the riot Act
Speaker 1: and he says, George, they're gonna keep it open. They
Speaker 1: voted to keep it open, but only if you're the chairman.
Speaker 1: And George just he's like ready to go on his honeymoon.
Speaker 1: He just stops and that that moment of oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm stuck. Dave Hatter is stuck like George Bailey, and
Speaker 1: it's a wonderful life. As miraor of Fort Right. Well,
Speaker 1: he's the mayor of Fort Right, but they had to
Speaker 1: go to Ludlow to get him. He's a loveload guy.
Speaker 1: I knew, well Ludlow is, in fact Gary Jeff the
Speaker 1: crossroads of a continent? Which continent? Well, which one you want?
Speaker 1: I can I can licking continent. I can give we
Speaker 1: play a game, A couple of guys that I play
Speaker 1: a game. We can play you know how you play
Speaker 1: six degrees of Kevin Bacon. Yeah, we can connect anybody
Speaker 1: within six degrees of Ludlow, really really, And so one
Speaker 1: of the things, well one of the ones that makes
Speaker 1: it kind of easy is that if I said to you,
Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin, do you think youd have any connection to Ludlow?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: And I love Christopher Walking. In nineteen fifty six, there
Speaker 1: was a summer replacement series on television called The Wonderful
Speaker 1: John Acton which was the original Wonder Gears and it
Speaker 1: was about a ShopKeep. You know the voiceover and I
Speaker 1: looked back at my life and it was about a
Speaker 1: shopkeeper in nineteen nineteen Ludlow, Kentucky, no kid, and the
Speaker 1: role of the little boy was played by an eleven
Speaker 1: year old by the name of Ronnie Walkin, known today
Speaker 1: as our Christopher Walking. So now if I jump that,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, Gary Seene. You know, it kind of
Speaker 1: makes it easy when you got that right. The band
Speaker 1: Robbie Robertson right and uh, Martin Scorsese.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Their guy who was a runner for them was a cowboy,
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson, who lived down on Kunner Street in Ludlow,
Speaker 1: and he was a runner and when he passed away
Speaker 1: in New York, Scorsese and Robbie actually came to the
Speaker 1: funeral in Ludlow. What street did you grow up on?
Speaker 8: It?
Speaker 1: I grew up on mostly on Elm Street. I grew
Speaker 1: grew up right across front of the main drag. Well, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Caddy corner from uh Tom Gaithers studio. You know, you
Speaker 1: ought to have Tom on some time because if Tom
Speaker 1: gets going on stories, you wouldn't actually, you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: enough time for the night cap. It wouldn't It wouldn't
Speaker 1: fit into a three hour show. It wouldn't fit into
Speaker 1: a three hours show. Beautiful, But he's he's a well
Speaker 1: known artist. In his gallery is down on the main drag.
Speaker 1: We have a big news story that broke earlier today.
Speaker 1: Eiden Alexander, the last American hostage held by Hamas, was
Speaker 1: released from Gaza and is now in the care of
Speaker 1: doctors in Israel. And after five hundred and forty days,
Speaker 1: five hundred and forty days he was captive since the
Speaker 1: terrible terrorist attack of October seventh, twenty twenty three. And
Speaker 1: it's looking more and more and you can you can
Speaker 1: deny President Trump some of the credit for this. But
Speaker 1: it's looking more and more like Hamas's days are finally
Speaker 1: numbered as far as controlling the Gaza and having any
Speaker 1: kind of political power at all, because Israel's got the
Speaker 1: green light now from the Prime Minister Benjamin yetten Yahoo
Speaker 1: and President Trump to go ahead and take care of
Speaker 1: the rest of the scourge of that terrorist group, that murderous,
Speaker 1: bastard terrorist group in the Gaza that's been controlling it.
Speaker 1: They've already got control of the northern part of Gaza
Speaker 1: and they're ready to level. They've even said they're going
Speaker 1: to level the rest of it, you know, once the
Speaker 1: hostages are going or if the hostages are not freed.
Speaker 1: Today the American hostridge and that was a big piece
Speaker 1: of leverage that they still held on. They could have
Speaker 1: released these hostages at any time, but they knew it
Speaker 1: would be total annihilation for them once they did. They've
Speaker 1: been holding out, hanging on to life barely, and I
Speaker 1: think it's written on the wall. Hamas is gone. I
Speaker 1: had a dear friend of mine not living in this
Speaker 1: area anymore, and he was Palestinian. When I say he
Speaker 1: was Palestinian, he actually has. He was actually born in Palestine.
Speaker 1: Trying to you mean Israel when it was Palestine. Okay,
Speaker 1: Palestine is on his passport. He's one of the he
Speaker 1: freaks people out when he walks through through security and
Speaker 1: he chose his passport and he chose Palestine, and they're
Speaker 1: like what. Well, he actually was born in Palestine. And
Speaker 1: I asked him one time, I said, how how do
Speaker 1: the people there elect Hamas? How do they come up
Speaker 1: with that? How did they elect the plo? Well, I mean, Yessir,
Speaker 1: Airfat was just as bad. He was just as corrupt,
Speaker 1: and he led to the starvation and the death of
Speaker 1: many of his people. And what But what he responded
Speaker 1: me with regards to Hamas was that almost similar to
Speaker 1: any election that you would have in the United States,
Speaker 1: of that the people aren't really caring about what's here,
Speaker 1: what's there, what's going on. They built schools, they built hospitals,
Speaker 1: They you know, took all of the you know, they
Speaker 1: were building things for people, and the people there didn't
Speaker 1: really give a respitute about the international image. They knew
Speaker 1: they were able to find a hospital. And he said
Speaker 1: that was how Hamas ended up getting a getting a
Speaker 1: grip in Gaza was from building hospitals, building hospitals, which,
Speaker 1: of course, which of course then they used as as
Speaker 1: headquarters and used the patients there and the citizens there
Speaker 1: as human shields, and then they could say, look, you
Speaker 1: bombed a hospital. Yeah, because you're holding up hostages and
Speaker 1: you're doing terrorist things from that hospital. Of course we're
Speaker 1: going to bomb the hospital and the school that you're
Speaker 1: also using. That way, there's no there's no justification for Hamas,
Speaker 1: none at all in in a geopolitical sense, in a
Speaker 1: sense of uh, you know, the poor Palestinian people. The
Speaker 1: poor Palestinian people are the Arabs that Jordan and the
Speaker 1: other countries kicked out. There's no such thing as a
Speaker 1: Palestinian language or a Palestinian culture. It has only been
Speaker 1: uh Palestinian that name since the mid nineteen sixties. And
Speaker 1: it was a response to the State of Israel. Just
Speaker 1: a bunch of Arabs who had been kicked out of
Speaker 1: every other Arab country in the Middle East and were
Speaker 1: sent there. They were refugees. And how you're talking about
Speaker 1: and people you're talking about Ludlow. Again, We've been kicked
Speaker 1: out of every decent city in northern Kentucky and then
Speaker 1: we just stay down there in Ludlow. So I mean
Speaker 1: you know it's yeah, you're proving my point on the
Speaker 1: on the six thing, because now I can say, see Ludlow,
Speaker 1: actually it's the occupied territory. We we we occupied Ludlow.
Speaker 1: Can't take it from us, wed.
Speaker 4: Are you.
Speaker 1: All right? Just don't just don't have human shields. Is
Speaker 1: there a hospital in Lunlow? No animal hospital, but you
Speaker 1: can Vetinarian. No, but you can run by, run by
Speaker 1: by Gayther Studio and he'll be glad to give you
Speaker 1: a give you a scotch and medical advice. So well,
Speaker 1: I much I tell you, tell you what, I'd much
Speaker 1: rather be in Ludlow any day than the West Bank
Speaker 1: on a good day or Gaza on a good day.
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Nineteen sixty eight. Yes, this
Speaker 1: date in nineteen sixty state in nineteen sixty eight. From
Speaker 1: the author of nineteen sixty eight How One Year Shaped
Speaker 1: Baby Boomers, Rick Robinson says, this date in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: a piano player with a band in England decided to
Speaker 1: change his name. Oh, and that man was Reginald Dwight.
Speaker 1: Reginald Dwight. Yeah, he was playing with before they had
Speaker 1: long John Baldry and doing blue stuff, doing blue stuff,
Speaker 1: doing everything else and is known today as Yes, Oh
Speaker 1: you weren't going to jump in on that one? I
Speaker 1: thought you want to? Oh go ahead, Elton John, how
Speaker 1: about that today? In nineteen sixty eight, in nineteen sixty eighty.
Speaker 1: The book is still available, right the book is still available.
Speaker 1: You can grab it on Amazon. Actually, you know what,
Speaker 1: It got a pretty cool thing going on right now
Speaker 1: at the barons Er Crawford Museum up in the vow
Speaker 1: Park there is a celebration of Harlan Hubbard, who is
Speaker 1: one of the great artists from Kentucky. And somebody has
Speaker 1: written a new book on Hubbard's life, and they're featuring
Speaker 1: some other books up there that are written by locals
Speaker 1: who have an impact on nature, writing the things that
Speaker 1: Harlan Hubbard did similar to that. And you can go
Speaker 1: up there and get a copy of Alligator Ali Alligator
Speaker 1: Alley all right, the story the story in part of
Speaker 1: the alligators in Prisoners Lake. Fantastic. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Rick Robinson here with us tonight, nineteen sixty eight. The
Speaker 1: book and always a good conversation. We always have a
Speaker 1: fun time, don't It's always always a fun time. You
Speaker 1: got me cranked up tonight. I don't know you have
Speaker 1: routed up? Did you? Did you have coffee today or something? Coffee?
Speaker 1: My wife would have an answer for that. I'm simply
Speaker 1: a politiant. Another hour, let us talk to the executive
Speaker 1: director of the Climate Science Coalition, a guy who has
Speaker 1: written wonderful books about energy, sustainable energy and the Mad, Mad,
Speaker 1: Mad Mad World of Climatism, which was his first book
Speaker 1: outside the green box. After that, rethinking sustainable development and
Speaker 1: the latest, of course, green breakdown, the coming renewable energy failure,
Speaker 1: and I think we saw a little taste of that
Speaker 1: just last week the week before in Spain and Portugal,
Speaker 1: with Spain's proud proclaimant that they have gone one hundred
Speaker 1: percent renewable energy, and then there's a major blackout at strands.
Speaker 1: People closes the airports, closes everything down. Steve Gorham, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show.
Speaker 4: How are you hey, Gary, Jeff? Great to join you again.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that thing in Spain and Portuge was really the
Speaker 9: biggest blackout in Europe, I think, or at least close
Speaker 9: to it. Sixty million people losing power for about twelve hours,
Speaker 9: most of them and they had about thirty five thousand
Speaker 9: electric trains that just stopped in tunnels and in the
Speaker 9: mountains and way out, and you know, in the countryside,
Speaker 9: people couldn't use the internet, they didn't have power. They
Speaker 9: were lining up with cash stations trying to get money,
Speaker 9: which had some backup power. But I think a couple
Speaker 9: of people commented, this is what's like when we have
Speaker 9: the end.
Speaker 3: Of the world.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no kidding, and a lot of yeah, a lot
Speaker 9: of this is wind and solar, and you know, this
Speaker 9: is maybe the latest thing coming to light. That's a
Speaker 9: problem with wind and solar. When you get a lot
Speaker 9: of it on your grid, you lose the synchronous stability
Speaker 9: of hydro power and coal and gas, which get turbines
Speaker 9: to spin to generate energy. But there's a there's an
Speaker 9: inertia there with those spinning turbines, so they ride through problems,
Speaker 9: but not so with wind and solar.
Speaker 4: And when you have.
Speaker 9: An electrical power system, you have to exactly balance the
Speaker 9: demand and the supply, and you also have to balance
Speaker 9: the voltage. It has to stay very close to two
Speaker 9: twenty in Europe's case, and the alternating current has to
Speaker 9: stay very close to fifty hurtz. If any of those
Speaker 9: things change things start shutting down because you start destroying
Speaker 9: equipment and other things. And this system over there, they
Speaker 9: have a lot of wind and solar, they don't have
Speaker 9: the synchronous of stability, and the whole thing shut down
Speaker 9: about four or five seconds across two nations. Just really,
Speaker 9: really a big incident.
Speaker 1: Do you think since Donald Trump became president, is it
Speaker 1: more likely the United States will suffer the same fate
Speaker 1: or less likely?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 1: What's your best?
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's I think he's trying to change things, but
Speaker 9: there's still a lot of inertia. We have a lot
Speaker 9: of states that are still trying to push women and
Speaker 9: solar in.
Speaker 4: A big way in my state of Illinois, New York,
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 9: Of the Eastern states, California, Washington, Oregon, and they're putting
Speaker 9: in a lot of women and solar still. And the
Speaker 9: other thing we have that we've talked about before is
Speaker 9: this tremendous demand from artificial intelligence that needs huge amounts
Speaker 9: of power. By the way, the latest thing on that
Speaker 9: is called byop bring your Own Power, Microsoft and Oracle
Speaker 9: these other people are actually setting up their home gas
Speaker 9: fire power plants because they can't get enough from the grid.
Speaker 9: And of course they can't do it with women solar.
Speaker 9: So yeah, we still have some issues with our power system,
Speaker 9: and mister Trump's trying to get back to credible energy.
Speaker 1: I think, well, and you talk about Microsoft and these others,
Speaker 1: weren't those some of the same woke minded muckety MUCKs
Speaker 1: who were all in for renewable sustainable energy i e.
Speaker 1: Wind and solar, anything but fossil fuels. And how quickly
Speaker 1: the worm has turned.
Speaker 9: Steve Well, Microsoft still has a goal to be green.
Speaker 9: They were going to be one hundred percent renewable, but
Speaker 9: then they emitted last fall that in the last five
Speaker 9: years their emissions have increased like forty eight percent. So
Speaker 9: they're really going the wrong direction because what's more important
Speaker 9: is to provide computing capability for people and not to
Speaker 9: cut greenhouse gas emissions. So a lot of it is
Speaker 9: public relations, but you know, it's it's we're caught in
Speaker 9: this web of climatism, a lot of people afraid of it,
Speaker 9: and mister Trump is just crunching it down. Not much
Speaker 9: in the headlines, but he's making some big changes.
Speaker 1: Well, there's been so much news today revolving around the
Speaker 1: President's administration and around President Trump that it's something like
Speaker 1: that could get lost. And you know, I remember for
Speaker 1: a long time the push to get rid of fossil
Speaker 1: fuels was like number one on the headlines. I guess
Speaker 1: nobody's reading those headlines as much as they used to
Speaker 1: or or channing those mantras. A small stateler like Vermont,
Speaker 1: for example, Steve can have a huge impact on the country.
Speaker 1: I was looking at this thing you sent me a
Speaker 1: Vermont and the climate change super fun to act. What
Speaker 1: is that? Do you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Well, a month ago, mister Trump issued another executive order
Speaker 9: titled protecting American Energy from State Overreach. And basically what
Speaker 9: he wants is the federal government to challenge state climate
Speaker 9: and energy laws that he thinks are either unconstitutional or
Speaker 9: they go beyond their own boundaries and everything. And he
Speaker 9: has directed US Attorney General Pam Bondi to identify those
Speaker 9: state and local laws and that are you know, un
Speaker 9: constitutional or onble and to recommend how the federal government
Speaker 9: ought to go after them. And by the way, earlier
Speaker 9: this month, the Justice Department sued four states over their
Speaker 9: climate change laws, Hawaii, Michigan, New York, and Vermont. And
Speaker 9: what these states have been doing is passing these laws
Speaker 9: is saying they're going to go after the fuel companies.
Speaker 9: The oil companies Vermont is one of the biggest. They
Speaker 9: have things called Climate Superfund cts in New York, Vermont, Maryland,
Speaker 9: and they're seeking monetary damages from the oil companies for
Speaker 9: their connection to past emissions, how their fuel was connected
Speaker 9: to past emissions, and New York is was aiming for
Speaker 9: three billion a year. Now there's a whole lot of
Speaker 9: problems with these. One of the first things is they're
Speaker 9: beyond state boundaries. They look at US and international emissions,
Speaker 9: which really isn't there Baileywick. And the second is they're
Speaker 9: on the face of it, they're unconstitutional. These are ex
Speaker 9: post facto laws which say said, well, we're going to
Speaker 9: pass a law now for what you did twenty years ago,
Speaker 9: and that's not allowed specifically in the constitution. Constitution doesn't
Speaker 9: allow the states or the Congress to pass an ex
Speaker 9: post factor law. So these are all going to be
Speaker 9: struck down. And in the case of New York, we
Speaker 9: now have twenty four companies and other entities suing the
Speaker 9: people that are putting this law into place, and now
Speaker 9: the federal government has joined the suit as well. So
Speaker 9: this is a huge, huge change. We've never had a
Speaker 9: situation where the federal government has been suing states on
Speaker 9: their energy and climate laws, but mister Trump is putting
Speaker 9: that into place.
Speaker 1: They have been all kinds of unprecedented moves by this
Speaker 1: particular president. It's happening right now as we speak, by
Speaker 1: the way, with the proposed I mean, they've they've been
Speaker 1: doging everything in Washington, DC at the federal level, including
Speaker 1: and the National Oceanographic Atmospheric Agency NOAH.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How's this going to change climate models that we've been fed?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 9: So the climate models are the heart of climate alarm.
Speaker 9: They've been in operation for about thirty five years. There's
Speaker 9: about forty some around the world, and thirteen of the
Speaker 9: main ones are in the United States. And these are
Speaker 9: run by scientists at NASA, the National Aeronautics and Space
Speaker 9: Administration at NOAH, and the Department of Energy. And these
Speaker 9: are expensive things. They get a team of scientists together
Speaker 9: and it costs fifty million dollars to set them up
Speaker 9: on a supercomputer and then twenty million dollars a year
Speaker 9: to run. But mister Trump and the people he's put
Speaker 9: into place head of NOAH and NASA are now cutting
Speaker 9: the funding for those agencies. The fiscal year twenty twenty
Speaker 9: six plan is to cut half of NASA's budget away.
Speaker 9: And I think what miss Trump's going to come out
Speaker 9: and say is that NASA ought to be concentrating on
Speaker 9: space and not climate.
Speaker 1: Well imagine that. Imagine the National Space Agency concentrating on
Speaker 1: outer space and you know, exploration and all of the
Speaker 1: things that was intended to do. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Now, now Noah's budget is also been cut twenty seven percent.
Speaker 9: These things have to be have to be approved by Congress, right,
Speaker 9: so we'll see. But wow, I'll tell you this is
Speaker 9: I was just talking in Colorado on the radio and
Speaker 9: there are one hundred National Science Foundation scientists. One hundred
Speaker 9: of them were laid off, and a lot of these
Speaker 9: are connected to climate. So this isn't getting much press.
Speaker 9: But mister Trump anything says climate change on it, he
Speaker 9: is basically cutting the pieces.
Speaker 1: Well, and speaking of the president since we have been
Speaker 1: this is probably the most we've talked about a president
Speaker 1: in any of our conversations about climate, Steve, because some
Speaker 1: of the things he's doing are so game changing and
Speaker 1: resetting the whole, the whole model of what we've been
Speaker 1: used to from the federal government recently. Last month, of course,
Speaker 1: April second Liberation Day, as President Trump called it, when
Speaker 1: he imposed all the tariffs on countries all over the world.
Speaker 1: You have said that these tariffs are going to hammer
Speaker 1: green energy too. How does that work?
Speaker 9: Yeah, and there's huge changes on this. So the tariff
Speaker 9: structure is. Trump wants to do two things. One is
Speaker 9: balance the trade and the tariff situation between nations and
Speaker 9: U once a raised the revenue for the federal government.
Speaker 9: So he's put in a ten percent across the board
Speaker 9: tariff on everybody, twenty five percent on automobiles, twenty five
Speaker 9: percent on steel. But then he's also got these receiptor
Speaker 9: reciprocal tariffs, which he said, and some of these are
Speaker 9: big high things, twenty thirty, forty fifty percent. He said,
Speaker 9: we're going to delay those ninety days and we're going
Speaker 9: to give people countries a chance to negotiate. And they
Speaker 9: just called the deal with the UK a week ago.
Speaker 9: Details still to come out, right, and the last night,
Speaker 9: by the way, China didn't like this. So China said, well,
Speaker 9: we're going to treat retaliate. And US tariffs were one
Speaker 9: hundred and forty five percent on Chinese imports, and these
Speaker 9: are the reciprocals, and then China had one hundred and
Speaker 9: twenty percent or one hundred and twenty five on the
Speaker 9: US imports in China. But just yesterday they came to
Speaker 9: an agreement in Geneva and they reduced those reciprocal tariffs
Speaker 9: down to thirty percent on Chinese goods and ten percent
Speaker 9: on US goods going into China. So that's great, but
Speaker 9: there's still other things too. The Trump has kept the
Speaker 9: one hundred percent tariff on electric vehicles coming from China
Speaker 9: and fifty percent on solar products. Those scheme in the
Speaker 9: Biden administration, and so these things are really having giving
Speaker 9: a lot of problems to green energy. We get like
Speaker 9: eighty percent of the solar panels that come from China,
Speaker 9: eighty percent of the ones installed in the US come
Speaker 9: from China, where they.
Speaker 4: Have components that come from China. And then we have
Speaker 4: all these.
Speaker 9: Carbon MATTERIESID have big tariffs on as well because of
Speaker 9: the electric car tariffs.
Speaker 4: And these are a big impact as well.
Speaker 9: They're going to make it very very tough people in
Speaker 9: the green industry.
Speaker 1: People think and wrongly. So I might add that when
Speaker 1: somebody likes you gets on the radio or you go
Speaker 1: on your speaking tours. Detractors would say, well, he's just
Speaker 1: against progress. He's against he's against change, he's against the planet,
Speaker 1: he's against renewables. And you are not against renewables. You're
Speaker 1: against the mandates and the restrictions on other kinds of
Speaker 1: energy sources because they're not practical, they're not efficient, and
Speaker 1: they're not they're not cost efficient by any measure. But
Speaker 1: if somebody wants to put solar panels on their house
Speaker 1: to power their house, and they want to do it independently, fine, right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's fine. We just don't need all the big
Speaker 9: subsidies and.
Speaker 5: We don't need the mandates, so we don't need need.
Speaker 9: We have twenty two states now saying that you've got
Speaker 9: to get rid of your gasoline car and buy electric.
Speaker 9: We have a number of states that are saying you
Speaker 9: can't have a gas water heater anymore, you can't have
Speaker 9: a gas furnace, you have to use a heat pump,
Speaker 9: and all these things are and you know, if you're
Speaker 9: in Hawaiian and there's no pipelines and it's sunny and
Speaker 9: windy all the time, that's great. Or if you're in
Speaker 9: South California or Texas or Florida, solar works really well.
Speaker 9: But if you're in Minnesota, just really foolish that the
Speaker 9: state of Minnesota should be trying to force everybody to
Speaker 9: go to solar and wind.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. I I hate the wind turbines.
Speaker 1: I think they're a blight on the land, and I
Speaker 1: think they're more harmful to the environment than they could
Speaker 1: ever help my own personal opinion. Steve talking to Steve
Speaker 1: Gorevan go ahead.
Speaker 9: I was just going to say, by the way, two
Speaker 9: thousand and eight, there were two counties that restricted wind turbines.
Speaker 9: Now there's over five hundred. Good, so more and more
Speaker 9: people in counties are pushing back against wind. They just
Speaker 9: don't like the waste and the ice ore and all
Speaker 9: the rest.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Steve Gorb is our guest for the next couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. Your most recent book, your last book, Green Breakdown,
Speaker 1: predicts that the world is heading for renewable energy failure.
Speaker 1: Do you still are you still as firm in that
Speaker 1: or things turning around? You think? People?
Speaker 9: Well, I think I think we're going to fail. It's
Speaker 9: going to take a couple of decades because climatism is
Speaker 9: so powerful. We have mister Trump in the US, but
Speaker 9: even in Europe now we have a friend of mine,
Speaker 9: doctor Benny Pizer, has pointed out that people are just
Speaker 9: jaded over there.
Speaker 4: They don't believe the alarm anymore.
Speaker 9: We got the second biggest party in Germany that actually
Speaker 9: in their plank has a wind turbine ban for Germany,
Speaker 9: which is one of the biggest in the world. So
Speaker 9: there's a lot of things going on that are problems.
Speaker 9: By the way, Green Breakdown is a fun book. You
Speaker 9: get the science and economics, but also as one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty colored sidebars that are real climate headlines.
Speaker 4: Here's one.
Speaker 9: This was in Big Think twenty nineteen. Swedish scientists advocates
Speaker 9: eating humans to combat climate change. And there's this guy
Speaker 9: who actually did presentations and then when he was done,
Speaker 9: he asked the audience that they'd be willing to try
Speaker 9: human flesh, and he took account to see what the.
Speaker 4: Whether they would.
Speaker 9: But I mean, there's so many crazy climate things and
Speaker 9: the books capture them all.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's that is part of the unspoken
Speaker 1: thing by most people. He spoke it out loud, but
Speaker 1: they said the only thing you can really do to
Speaker 1: save the planet is reduce the population. One better way
Speaker 1: to reduce the population than cannibalism. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well I guess so.
Speaker 9: Well, anyway you can get people should get the book,
Speaker 9: get the real story and challenge their political leaders.
Speaker 1: Well, I wish you a happy, prosperous and powered at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And I know that you're going to
Speaker 1: keep on chugging and spreading the gospel of the truth
Speaker 1: and when it comes to renewable energy, sustainable energy and
Speaker 1: the climate. Steve Gorham, always a pleasure to have you
Speaker 1: on the show. Thank you so much, Thank you Grey Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's the nightcap and we have a lot more left
Speaker 1: details coming up in just a few minutes after the
Speaker 1: news Doctor Robert Malone, the father of mRNA vaccines, and
Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci, will he ever be brought to justice or
Speaker 1: prosecuted after the Joe Biden pardon. And then Miriam Haneine,
Speaker 1: who has a book about the George Floyd what she
Speaker 1: calls this psyop in other words, the wolve was pulled
Speaker 1: over America's collective eyes in the wake of the George
Speaker 1: Floyd story. She's got the proofs he says, and she
Speaker 1: wrote about it. She'll talk about it before midnight on
Speaker 1: this nightcap on seven hundred WLW doctor Robert W. Malone,
Speaker 1: who along with doctor Jill Glaspool Malone, are authors of
Speaker 1: cy War Enforcing the New World Order, and specifically the
Speaker 1: crimes of Anthony Fauci, and doctor I've got to tell
Speaker 1: you that I was one of the canaries in the
Speaker 1: coal mine on the radio early on during the pandemic
Speaker 1: that called out and then and I'm not a scientist,
Speaker 1: I'm not a researcher. I'm not a virologist like you are.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about RNA vaccines until they started rolling
Speaker 1: them out to the public and to putting the insisting
Speaker 1: that they put them in the bodies of babies and
Speaker 1: the like. Well, you invented mRNA vaccines as we know it.
Speaker 1: I mean, in a way, you can say that the
Speaker 1: father of mRNA that we have today. And you were
Speaker 1: skeptical right from the beginning, and you said so, and
Speaker 1: people tried to silence you. So unravel all this for
Speaker 1: as we stand now with Joe Biden's pardon of Fauci,
Speaker 1: saying he's pardon for all crimes against the United States,
Speaker 1: going back to twenty fourteen, it says to me that
Speaker 1: they damn well knew he committed crimes against the United
Speaker 1: States and its people and the world. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you've discovered and what you know.
Speaker 8: Well, first off, about a month ago, I was visiting
Speaker 8: some colleagues in Rome for a broadcast, and they were
Speaker 8: very worked out because Anthony Fauci has apparently decamped from
Speaker 8: the United States and is residing in and working in Siena, Italy,
Speaker 8: in Tuscany together with GSK Vaccines. And I was told
Speaker 8: Biointech Vaccines that both have major R and D and
Speaker 8: vaccine manufacturing facilities there in Sienna. So Tony left the
Speaker 8: United States. You know, we know that he's had a
Speaker 8: major increase in his net value since.
Speaker 4: Leaving the government, and.
Speaker 8: It appears that he may have been you know, the
Speaker 8: implication associated with the executive pardon from mister Biden, the
Speaker 8: autopen pardon, is that he had awareness of other things
Speaker 8: going on in the government that were shady, nefarious, are illegal.
Speaker 8: And it's important to remember that Tony after the antax attacks,
Speaker 8: he basically became in charge of the entire by defense complex,
Speaker 8: including both the civilian NIAH academic side and the DoD side.
Speaker 8: So he made the case that the Department of Defense
Speaker 8: had mismanaged by defense vaccine development pecifically around and ant
Speaker 8: ex spores, and that they couldn't be trusted, and so
Speaker 8: it was necessary for somebody like him to step in
Speaker 8: in the NEH because they were much more experienced and effective.
Speaker 8: Now have they been more effective, No, they really haven't.
Speaker 8: Were they more experienced? No, But politically he was able
Speaker 8: to sell it and capture a huge amount of additional
Speaker 8: resources and, by the way, negotiate for a salary that
Speaker 8: was the highest paid position in the US government. And
Speaker 8: he did so while working almost like a special designation
Speaker 8: that only he had as an employee, as a federal employee.
Speaker 8: So he seemed to have kind of worked a strategy
Speaker 8: in a deal so that he really didn't have to
Speaker 8: come apply with a lot of the employment regulations, monitoring,
Speaker 8: conflict of interest rules and restrictions that all other federal
Speaker 8: employees are fall under. So interesting guy who was an
Speaker 8: interesting substact about him the other day written by an
Speaker 8: author a guest author for the Substack Disinformation Chronicle that
Speaker 8: purported to be an anonymous NIH employee that knew him well,
Speaker 8: that talked about his history, what it was like to
Speaker 8: actually work with him, and mentioned the interesting fact that
Speaker 8: he had a poster of Vido Corlone, the Godfather, posted
Speaker 8: up in his office. And I've always said that he
Speaker 8: acted like a mafio so and I was fascinated. I
Speaker 8: had no idea that he had a picture of a
Speaker 8: godfather prominently placed in his office that never gets shown
Speaker 8: in the photographs for the Washington Post.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he didn't have a tattooed on his chest.
Speaker 3: I have maybe I.
Speaker 5: Have.
Speaker 1: I have likened doctor Fauci. Again, with my limited knowledge
Speaker 1: and experience, it's just my spidey sense. You might say
Speaker 1: I have likened him with doctor Joseph Mingla in Nazi Germany,
Speaker 1: and any comparison to Nazis, with which are made all
Speaker 1: the time wrongly, is something to question. But do you
Speaker 1: think that that he is a doctor of death in America?
Speaker 4: So those are strong words.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just I'm just saying from my
Speaker 1: perspective what I think.
Speaker 5: It's okay, I understand what she said.
Speaker 8: Uh, A case can be made, a fact based case
Speaker 8: can be made that both through his leadership quote unquote
Speaker 8: in the development of the quote vaccine products, through his
Speaker 8: vaccine research center that he oversaw, and through his facilitation
Speaker 8: of the gain of function research that clearly led to
Speaker 8: this virus, that a case could be made that he
Speaker 8: has direct responsibility for a very large number of deaths.
Speaker 8: Spoke domestically and worldwide, and real quickly.
Speaker 1: Real quickly as we close, Doctor Malone, as someone who
Speaker 1: knows mRNA vaccines in and out like you do, are
Speaker 1: you disappointed that as to this point, RFK, Junior Health
Speaker 1: and Human Services and the Trump administration have still not
Speaker 1: taken the COVID nineteen vaccine off of the suggested list
Speaker 1: for babies for infants.
Speaker 8: I am disappointed. I am angry about those things, but
Speaker 8: I also understand the political realities that are being confronted here,
Speaker 8: and the problem is that the majority of Americans are
Speaker 8: not behind the idea of eliminating these products from the
Speaker 8: vaccine supply. I wish it was otherwise, and programs like
Speaker 8: this the book what I write on substack, I'm trying
Speaker 8: my best to help educate people and get them to
Speaker 8: understand what went down. But right now, most people are
Speaker 8: not on board with removing these products. And until we
Speaker 8: get consensus from below, the politicians aren't going.
Speaker 1: To act well. As long as I'm allowed, I will
Speaker 1: continue to have guests like you in this program to
Speaker 1: emphasize the fact that there is true science out there
Speaker 1: that says this is all wrong. Co author of Cywar
Speaker 1: Enforcing the New World Order, Doctor Robert Malone, our guest tonight,
Speaker 1: and take thank you so much for your time. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate. I know you're busy all the time doing
Speaker 1: stuff like this and continuing your research and your work. Doctor.
Speaker 8: Thank you well, thanks a lot for having me on
Speaker 8: and good luck with the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Miriam hannane is next about George Floyd.
Speaker 4: Of Here.
Speaker 1: We are joined by author Mariam Hanein. She is the
Speaker 1: author of Operation George Floyd, a multi layered psyop Exposed.
Speaker 1: She's also known as the Bee Lady. She's an investigative journalist,
Speaker 1: a filmmaker originally from Montreal, Canada, best known for directing
Speaker 1: the award winning twenty ten documentary Vanishing of the Bees.
Speaker 1: Also a functional medicine coach and consultant. Tonight, she's our guest, Miriam.
Speaker 1: I believed a lot of people that I respect and
Speaker 1: think are you know, critical thinkers believed that there was
Speaker 1: a lot to the George Floyd's story that we weren't
Speaker 1: told or was hidden from us on purpose. When it
Speaker 1: all occurred, and what followed in the aftermath the not
Speaker 1: so I call it the not so Summer of Love
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, with all the riots and the not
Speaker 1: so peaceful protest and the burnings and the vilification of
Speaker 1: the police and all of that. So tell me briefly
Speaker 1: as much as you can without giving too much away. Also,
Speaker 1: you've made a movie that corresponds, called The Real Timeline.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you found actually happened as opposed to
Speaker 1: what we were all told.
Speaker 7: So I'll established that the Real Timeline. I purchased the
Speaker 7: footage from the United States Government in order to put
Speaker 7: it in chronological order and see what I can find.
Speaker 7: It's an hour and eight minutes, and it was edited
Speaker 7: by Sean Himbler, and then the book looks at all
Speaker 7: the characters and a more macro look at what was
Speaker 7: going on. So I want to say that if we
Speaker 7: can go back down memory lane, that we were all
Speaker 7: under lockdown, and that this event helped us go from
Speaker 7: what I say, virus to violence overnight, and people didn't
Speaker 7: pay much attention.
Speaker 5: There's also the.
Speaker 7: Slogan I can't Breathe came in conjunction with people having
Speaker 7: to wear their face diapers, and it was one operation.
Speaker 7: It's like a Russian doll where you find one doll
Speaker 7: and then there's another doll and another doll. Which is
Speaker 7: why I called it a multi layered style off because
Speaker 7: it goes pretty deep and even destroying Minneapolis. If you
Speaker 7: look at Lake Street, there were a lot of shenanigans,
Speaker 7: and so this is also a look at the money
Speaker 7: laundering and the drug cartels and the arguable compliccency of
Speaker 7: the government. It looks at who was George, who was
Speaker 7: who is Derek Chauvin and the characters that were in
Speaker 7: the car. There's ties to the Pedesta group, There's hush money.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of arguably dangerous things that even reading
Speaker 7: it can constitute a thought crime.
Speaker 1: Did you go into or get into it all? The
Speaker 1: coroner who had said that George Floyd had enough fentanyl
Speaker 1: in his system to kill him four times at the
Speaker 1: time of his death, did you get into that at all?
Speaker 7: Yes, I have a chapter called a Tale of Two Autopsies.
Speaker 7: In fact, there were others, but the only person that
Speaker 7: put their hands on George is the medical examiner. And
Speaker 7: I go into what Andrew Baker's experience was because he
Speaker 7: was shamed and there was a lot of just inconsistencies.
Speaker 7: Just for the record, I was in Costa Rica in
Speaker 7: the jungle. I left before the pandemic, and I called
Speaker 7: the medical examiner. And I was the first to call
Speaker 7: the medical examiner, and I was told it would take
Speaker 7: weeks and weeks and weeks, and then lo and behold,
Speaker 7: CNN was dropping preliminary review to sow discord and to start,
Speaker 7: you know, getting people wild up so that we can
Speaker 7: have this artificial, you know, racist war. And people forgot
Speaker 7: momentarily about the the Rona regime that we were put under.
Speaker 1: Do you, I mean you mentioned money coming from the
Speaker 1: Podesta group or money laundering by this, okay, ties ties
Speaker 1: to the Podesta group. And for people who are unaware
Speaker 1: or who haven't, for who have forgotten, remind us again
Speaker 1: who the Podesta group is and what they were doing.
Speaker 7: Well, I haven't thoroughly looked into the Shenanigans and child
Speaker 7: you know, trafficking of the pedessas. I just have found
Speaker 7: ties between who put these funerals together because while we
Speaker 7: had to bury our loved ones via zoom and they
Speaker 7: were changing our death rituals, George Floyd got not one,
Speaker 7: not two, not three, but four funerals.
Speaker 1: You say, you look at all of the characters involved,
Speaker 1: including the officer Derek Chauvin, who ultimately was convicted of
Speaker 1: George Floyd's murder. Did Derek Chauvin murder? George Floyd.
Speaker 7: Did not believe, so I did not believe, so he
Speaker 7: definitely did not get a fair trial. But also the
Speaker 7: relationship between George and Derek, the fact that they both
Speaker 7: worked at Al Nuevo Rodeo that goes to the side.
Speaker 7: There was one person, David Pinny, who came fourth and
Speaker 7: admitted they knew each other, and then I believed twenty
Speaker 7: four hours forty eight hours later he recanted his testimony.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that BLM was a part of this
Speaker 1: sy up?
Speaker 7: Very much so, yes, and all the nonprofit organizations associated
Speaker 7: with BLM. And I will also say that one of
Speaker 7: the aims of this operation was to get jabs into
Speaker 7: the arms of the number one vaccine hesitant people, and
Speaker 7: that is the Black community. And so BLM even looked
Speaker 7: at NIH looked at BLM messaging to increase confidence. Right
Speaker 7: because vaccine hesitance was named the thing, well, you.
Speaker 1: Call it the plandemic. I called it, and I called
Speaker 1: it out in April or May of twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: called it the scam demic, and I still call it
Speaker 1: the scam demick. And the two things are in next
Speaker 1: of really tied in your mind, is what you're saying, right?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 7: I mean I joked, watch they're going to say that
Speaker 7: George had COVID and he must be the only person
Speaker 7: in the country that wasn't signed off on his death
Speaker 7: certificate to get the.
Speaker 1: Extra Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 7: What is it for thousand dollars? So that you know
Speaker 7: there's little fus that they weave into their tails.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else in our minute and a half
Speaker 1: we've got left that you want people to know about
Speaker 1: the book and about the movie Operation George Floyd? Is
Speaker 1: that book a multi layered psyop exposed written by Miriam Nine,
Speaker 1: the Bee Lady and the Real Timeline movie. Give me
Speaker 1: just a brief snapshot of what you want everyone to
Speaker 1: know and where they can see this.
Speaker 7: I would like to say that it's taken me nearly
Speaker 7: five years to put this colossal book together and that
Speaker 7: it's for the future. We have witnessed the ministry of
Speaker 7: truth wiping our truth before our very eyes. I have
Speaker 7: gone through several publishers that have dropped the book out
Speaker 7: of fear that it's taken immense courage and dedication, and
Speaker 7: I would there's only you know, X amount in circulation.
Speaker 7: This is not something you can go buy at Amazon.
Speaker 7: So I would invite people to support the truth and
Speaker 7: independent journalism and visit Mariam Hinnane dot com.
Speaker 5: Forward Slash George Floyd's book.
Speaker 7: They can also go on Merriam Hinnane m A r
Speaker 7: y A m as a Mary h e n as
Speaker 7: A Nancy e I n as a Nancy dot com
Speaker 7: and they can find the d v D. The d
Speaker 7: v D has been this has been suppressed by both
Speaker 7: the left and the right, and so I believe it's
Speaker 7: it's worth investing. This book will be worth a lot.
Speaker 7: If there's only X amounts and in circulation, it's you know,
Speaker 7: rare books go for thousands these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mariam Hanai hannean rather Hanane, I'm going to get
Speaker 1: it right. See, I practiced all day Mariam uh Mariam Hannane.
Speaker 1: It's m A R y A M H E N
Speaker 1: e I N dot com if you want to find
Speaker 1: out more and possibly get the book. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your time tonight, Miriam.
Speaker 7: Thank you for having me on, Thank you.
Speaker 1: You bet, and that is our nightcap. We ended with
Speaker 1: the playing of national anthem down in America.