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Speaker 1: Fantastic? It is our busiest week of the year. It
is the week after the Oscars, which we love. We
love that too much too.
Speaker 2: As I think we mentioned before that I like when
we have a lot of work because you know exactly
where you're gonna do. It's a lot, but.
Speaker 1: It's easier when everyone's wearing gowns. And yeah, I I'm
always a little sad at the post Oscars. It's almost
like post Christmas, where you know, it's nothing. It's a
it's a bit of a letdown because there's such a
sort of tsunami of content surrounding awards.
Speaker 2: You I feel like you've been following these people for
so long, ye and you.
Speaker 1: Feel like you've been telling this little story since you know,
like the can Film Festival.
Speaker 2: You know about all the front runners.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, happy, you know whatever. Happy to have
a lot of content right now. Always always at this
time of year, we're looking towards what happens when all
of this drives up, because you know, once once there's
no more after parties to cover anything like that, the
celebrities tend to take some time off during this time.
We find ourselves really hoping Princess Kathy is going.
Speaker 2: Through them out for something. We'll come up with. All
we always do.
Speaker 1: We're eighteen years into this gig.
Speaker 2: But it's nineteen Jesus, but it's it's fun. I like it.
I liked I like to see what they're wearing and
all the work that goes into it, you know, makeup, hair, nails, everything,
it's just nice. I like fashion, so I really appreciate
the fashion side of it because of course there's a
whole business in a whole movie industry, you know, aside
from fashion, but everything contributes, everything works towards that final will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the fashion this year. I mean, we
haven't done a sort of top of the episode announcement,
but we are talking about the Oscars this episode. We're
gonna do a little post mortem on the on the Oscars,
and then we're doing Severns and the White Lotus. Yeah,
just weigh in on the latest two episodes of those shows.
So returning to the Oscars. First, about the style, I
feel like it's our job every year to sort of
sum it up, you know, to sort of look at
the bigger picture. If anyone's going to do it, you know,
there's right, we should be one, you know, be in
the mix.
Speaker 2: Let's say the mirror it was. I thought it was
about prestige and seriousness of the job.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always about that, but this year I
felt I feel like this had as much to do.
It mostly had to do with the wildfires, but I
think there was probably some political response as well, where
I really felt like everyone in terms of politics was
well behaved. They didn't want to be the first one
to open the floodgates, but they You could tell that
everyone in a lot of the craft people and technical
people who want awards, they really wanted to start this
conversation and you could see them sort of dancing around it,
and nobody actually did.
Speaker 2: I also think people are exhausted of talking about it
because if you do, you talk about it every day
all the time, right, I know, you have a platform.
There's a little difference and you might feel obliged to
do it. But at the same time it's like, oh
my god. I mean we talk about this every day
at least, you know that's how I feel it, right,
and I'm not up there.
Speaker 1: I mean there was some backlash by the public, course
there always is, because it felt that people should have
been more political right in their responses.
Speaker 2: So when they are, they say, you know, shut up,
shut up, You're just an actors.
Speaker 1: And sing or whatever. But anyway, back to the fashion,
I do I feel that it was Listen, it wasn't
uh dowdy or no, it was. It was a lot
of glitz.
Speaker 2: And glam, very elegant, and.
Speaker 1: It felt like they were really there was a collective
embrace of old Hollywood.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everyone. The gowns were very slinky. You didn't see that
many ball gowns like the one Cynthia Revo War. You
saw a lot of very very body conscious gowns, a
lot of metallics, a lot of a lot of silver, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of archival stuff, because that's.
Speaker 1: That's they're looking to the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of like looking for the past, looking
for I don't know that idea, yes, yeah, that idea
of glammer from the past, which is fine. I mean,
it's all fine.
Speaker 1: There were several Audrey Hepburn and homages. There were several
Maryland and Sophia Laurano homages. Ray was channeling Marin Marilyn
and Selena Gomez was channeling Sophia loren.
Speaker 2: And they all went with the you know, big names,
old old names like you know, our Money, Prevey and
and that sort of there. Right, So when you go
with those brands, you immediately go for something a little
more not old fashioned, but more traditional. Now.
Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I love stylists. I'm happy that
they do what they do, but I do think they
have a collectively, you know, tamping of fact unstyled. They
don't they don't allow their clients to get too crazy,
and I do think sometimes I wish we had oscars
red carpets like we had in the eighties and the nineties,
where people were showing up in some complete little black
ass outfits.
Speaker 2: But today is so tied in into you know, the
job and and and the movie, and the.
Speaker 1: Problem wants to step out of now no.
Speaker 2: I mean classic example is Mikey Madison. I mean, she
played the you know, the good girl the whole time.
Because she plays a sex worker. So she was trying
to avoid that as much as she could because she
didn't want people to you know, sort of assa scatter
that way. Yeah, and and they and you know, quite
the opposite of the Barbie whole thing that you want
to look like like your character, not this time, so
I do. And and then you know, you have people
like Arianna Grande. You know, she mentions every times that
she loves Vince fashion and all that, so you know,
so there's also their preference, the combination of what they want,
what they like to wear, and the message and and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So in terms of the men, I'm I'm sad to
say that as much as Coleman Domingo and Timothy Shallow
may really challenged what an Oscar man's Oscar campaign can
look like, it wasn't to their benefit, you know. And
the ones who won, Karen Cochin and Adrian Birdie. Now
let me just say right here, I am not so solipsistic.
Oh look at me using that word like youxam to
Google that. I'm not so solib sistic as to think
that their their fashion choices determine their Oscar wins. But
Adrian Birdie and Kiaren Colchin, who very well deserved wins,
and they were front runners going through the whole process.
Those guys dress very dull essentially. I mean they dress well,
but very boring, very professional, almost always in black and
navy blue. And then you have people like Colemon Domingo
and Timothy Shallomey who are really going out there and
challenging men's wear norms and they're not winning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll defend Comming too, because I'm not attacking.
I feel like he he loves fashion. He likes to
dress and you know, dress up and and and wear
you know fashion major designers and stuff like that. So
he always looks amazing no matter what Timoth Deshell may
decided to go the jackass way that he Oh, I
don't care, this is what I.
Speaker 1: That is not at all what I think he was saying.
I don't think he was saying he didn't care. I
don't think that's whatever. I think he was doing something
deliberate and studied. It wasn't about not caring. It was
about wanting to do something different than what had been done.
I don't say I loved every offer that he wore,
but he was challenging things he was and you know,
like it or not, the fashion press wrote about him
a lot and wrote about what he was doing a lot.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, they write about him a lot. I wasn't impressed.
I thought that he did the whole you know, I
don't care about what I'm wearing type of thing. That
doesn't mean he doesn't, but it was it just didn't
produce great looks. I thought he looked terrible on the
red carpet.
Speaker 1: All right. So going to the Oscars itself, the ceremony itself,
of course, the big I guess the big story of
the night was Mikey Madison uh winning executing what a
lot of people saw as an upset because they felt
that to me more was a give in going into.
Speaker 2: It, including to me Moore.
Speaker 1: You know, well, first off, I want to say this,
there was an immediate backlash against the Academy and oh,
you know, they always go for the hot young woman,
and that's not I mean, you can talk about misogyny
and sexism in Hollywood and in the Academy under a
lot of different umbrellas, but the idea that they only
reward hot young women is not true, and it's very
much not true in the last ten or fifteen years,
when you have people like Michelle Yo and Jamie Lee
Curtis and Renee Zelwigger and Meryl Streep winning I mean,
you know, Francis McDormand winning twice. No, the Oscars is
not It doesn't have some long history of awarding the hotties.
It does generally the best actress, best supporting actress. You know,
people were bringing this up. It generally scus younger. When
you look at the history of the Oscars, it generally
skews younger than the male actoring winners. However, not to
defend the Academy or anything like that, which does have
a voting history that should be you know, scrutinized. But
I think that had more to do with the fact
that traditionally Hollywood did not offer roles for older women.
In fact, that's part of the reason why you can
see this skew towards older winners in the last twenty years,
is because Hollywood started producing more movies for women or
about women who were older than thirty five, older than forty.
And also that had something to do with women moving
into directing and producing roles and you know, changing the industry.
But I just don't buy this argument that Mikey was
was chosen because, you know, to me, wasn't hot enough
or something like that.
Speaker 2: Now, I guess silly, I guess they just looked for
a reason to explain why it happened. You know, I
heard people saying, well, you know, the young one won.
Exactly what de me Moore is trying to say with
a movie that the fact is blah blah blah. That's
a fascil. Some people made the argument that if you
look at both movies, U Demi Moore share the the
you know, the screen with other people, and Mikey Madison,
it was all about her the entire movie. It's pretty
much her. And it's true. I mean, you have other characters,
I mean an actress, but when you think about the movie,
you know, as great as everybody else is, you think
about her the entire time. You know her acting her,
you know the character, her character the entire time, so
I can see. I mean, the thing is that the oscars,
I mean, come on, and you know people are gonna joke,
but it's true. Gwyneth Boutrow has an oscar. If you
can't assume that every nomination or every win is one
hundred percent no.
Speaker 1: Just or ballance publishline and all that. I was just
about to say that people vote for the dumbest, dumbest reason.
Speaker 2: For the dumbest reason. It's just an election like any
other one. And you know, we know how it goes.
A lot of dumb people vote, so uh, it's it's it, yeah,
and you end up with with results like that. And
and there are certain traditions here that for some bizarre reason,
they never changed. Number one, that they find it very
hard to give it to someone playing a part in
a language that isn't English. That's number one. It's always
always very difficult because if I had to choose, i'd,
you know, i'd give it to for another toys And
and if you if I mean, I'm I have watched
so many vDOS, so many actors talking about the Oscars
and all that. They all praised this movie so much.
I'm still here and her performance they think she's amazing,
and yet she didn't win. Uh. And then people were thinking, Okay,
well it was to me, to me because of the
comeback story and all that, and you know that's how
Hollywood plays, andlah blah blah. But at the same time,
is you know, then you give it to Mike and Madison.
You never know, you never know. Everyone was surprised.
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Demi Moore. The other thing, I don't want to make
excuses for why things shook out the way, because who
am I. I'm not the pr person for the Academy.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 1: But I do think one thing she really had going
against her. It wasn't just that it was a horror movie,
and they don't they don't generally vote for horror movies.
It was infamous for being a disgusting, gross out body
horror movie, and.
Speaker 2: I chose not to watch. I chose not to watch
it as well.
Speaker 1: And I felt bad when we were voting for Galleca
because I was like, well, I you know, and I
just I thought about my thing, and I did vote
for her for We're wild about you or something. I
think that's the word they give to someone. But yeah,
if you don't like Body Heart, you're not going to
watch that film. And because that's all anybody talks about
is how the last five minutes that ever are so disgusting,
and people were throwing up at the theater. That's a problem.
That's a problem for I mean the fact that actually that,
to me, made it this far in an award season,
winning things like the Golden Globe and the Saco and everything.
I don't I think that must have been a huge
disappointment for her. But I also think she had the
best year of her career. She's got all these trophies
that she never thought she'd ever win. I agree, And
I think she's probably got a lot of possibilities open
to her at the moment. And also I realized that's
the point of the film. And yeah, Mikey Madison is
like thirty five years younger than almost forty years younger
than to me more but to me more a babe. Like,
let's not talk about her like she's some grown She
looks amazing, She looks twenty years younger than her age,
and she she can do what she wants. I don't think,
to me, is you know, gonna fade away like you know,
one of the sisters in whatever Happened to Baby Jane.
I just don't think that's.
Speaker 2: I think it's smart to appreciate the process and what
you you get out of it. I think, like I've
watched a ton of interviews with Fernando Toys and and
she kept saying, folks, I'm not winning. It's not happening,
you know.
Speaker 1: But was so smart to wit this right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the way.
Speaker 1: She befriended every actress and made sure that she was
photographed with all of these A listers.
Speaker 2: She was just.
Speaker 1: Smart because she knew she had an international stage. She
saw this happen to her mother. Her mother, Fernando Montenekker,
got onto an international stage, was lauded and didn't win
the Oscar and then, you know, believe me, she went
back to Brazil to be and a cultural icon. The
woman did not suffer, but her daughter understands this is
a moment and then she's going to go back to
Brazil and do the work. So she's soaking up all
this because I do think she probably will start accepting
offers for American films.
Speaker 2: Probably international directors, I hope. So she wants to work
with a bunch of people. And she understood all that.
She she appreciated the attention that the movie was getting.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's smart. She smart, she's well, she grew
up in a family of actress.
Speaker 2: And stories of business, and her interviews were great and
it was sweet to see all the other actors really
love it her and and her performance and all that.
So so it's all good. I think it's all in
terms of actress in the leading real I think it
was good. It was.
Speaker 1: If you get a chance go on social media to
see the videos of people in Brazil watching watching the
term in the middle of the street, like being projected
on the side, because Carnival was I think when it
won Best International feedsure, I'm mean that its just the
people were that.
Speaker 2: I think that's going wild. That's something a lot of
Americans don't understand, and especially Hollywood people, is that it
is a big deal. I mean, it is a big
thing to be nominated for an Oscar period even here,
but from another country. That's even it's insane to think
about it because that's especially.
Speaker 1: A Latin American country. They do not get a lot of.
Speaker 2: Love throw even in Europe. I mean some countries don't
get a lot. I mean it's true. First, I know
a wonderful, wonderful.
Speaker 1: For flow, which I did a door flow. It was
just that's very gentle little adventure. And then I texted
this the night at one I said, it got to
the last frame and I did not expect to do so.
I just burst into tears. And not because it's a
sad movie. It's because it's beautiful. It's and I just
thought that final shot in the film was so poignant. Anyway, Uh,
let's see what else are we gonna say?
Speaker 2: Oh, there was a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Adrian Brodie giving the longest bit, literally the longest speech
in Asbester. He wrote a record and I want to say,
it's so frustrating. And I'm like, I'm a Cis white guy,
I get it, but it's really horrifying to watch someone
like that just get something. And I don't mean the award.
I mean the fact that when he told the orchestra
to stop playing, they stopped playing. And I'm like, you know,
you wouldn't do this for a woman. No, you wouldn't
do this for for anybody who wasn't but yeah, no,
who look like that. Yeah, And so many of the
trades people were getting, you know, pushed off the stage
and everything, and he got almost six minutes.
Speaker 2: It breaks my heart because these people win it, and
then they go up on stage and they had thirty
seconds and they're like five people, six people, and only
one gets to speak, and then they cut off the
other ones. It's heartbreaking. It is you have to understand
that award. To me, it's just as important any other
fucker winning great. I know it's not best Actor, not
Best Actress, but it's still you went through hell to
get there, to get nominated, to make to finish that project,
and and yet you know you don't have five seconds.
So this jackass, because he's a jackassss and and the
speech started off, okay.
Speaker 1: Now about how he's been here before and he knows
that this is fleeting, and I'm like, okay, that's very humble.
And then it just when he he got his extra time,
I thought he was really he.
Speaker 2: Had nothing to do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not, You're man, Just shut up now.
Speaker 2: First of all, people are all pointing.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna apologize about the Holly Berry thing.
I really thought he was going to say, listen, the
last time I was here, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: He's full of shit. He did that before. People were
showing clips of the first time he won. He did
the same thing, asking everyone to stop because you know, white, white,
white man, white man's talk. Okay, so he did that before,
and people were pointing out that he had a fucking
gum in his mouth, and then yeah, what the hell?
And she's like like a little hot yeah, like a
little dog.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was Harvey Weinstein's wife. I know she
didn't have a lot of you know, self dignity or whatever,
but I was like, girl, you do not let a
man throw gum at you while you're standing there ten
thousand dollars dress well, first of all.
Speaker 2: Who has a gum in their mouth? You're above the
age of ten in public? I mean who?
Speaker 1: And you you know you think you're gonna win, right,
You weren't caught by.
Speaker 2: A surprise, Oh I have a gum? Oh here honey.
So it was just ridiculous. The whole thing was ridiculous.
The fact that what really made me mad was when
he said, you know I've done this before, or you
know I've been you know, it's not my first time
in work. Shut the fuck opper, you idiot. Why do
you think you better than anybody else? I mean, you
saw these people could bear at least say one sentence.
But you go up there and you decide that everything
has to stop. And the orchestra I started playing twice
or three times, I can't remember, at least twice, and
you made that the point that everybody's making is that okay, fine,
you want your time, have your fucking time. But you
had nothing, nothing, nothing to see. You were like, uh,
who else? He literally said that at some point who else?
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean come on. It was just awful,
awful and made me so mad at him that.
Speaker 1: What I think is so funny is that when he
won the Oscar the first time, there wasn't a lot
of outcry against him kissing halle Berry because it was
a different culture at the time. But I do think
he struggled after that for many years because because he
had a reputation for being, you know, a jackass, for
being obnoxious. And he fought and he got back and
he had this beautiful role and listen, I cried in
the Brutalist in the first fifteen minutes, but just based
solely on his performance, it is a well deserved Oscar.
And what's funny is it's a very humble role. But
he got up there a second time and got and
was so obnoxious again, and I was like, you know what,
I think you're going to struggle to find roles again
because all you did was remind everyone why I knew
had to work so hard to get back to this point.
Speaker 2: Soad the whole thing. For me. Immediately, I was like, Oh,
I really don't want to watch this movie anymore. And
I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: Is like a right, I loved it. I can't wait
to see them.
Speaker 2: It's like a Rummy Molly kind of thing. You know
when he won for his boheming, you know, movie, same thing,
Like he was so obnoxious, like, you know, just just wrong.
Just the whole thing was growth. Everyone was disgusted by it,
and I was like, ooh, whatever, dude's.
Speaker 1: Always Tatanya won. Everyone knew she was going to win everyone.
And then she went back in the press room. Oh
my god, these Amelia Purres people, they really still don't
know how to deal with the backlash to this movie.
And I get it. You're in a weird position. Your
movie was widely, widely celebrated and then there immediately there
was an enormous backlash against it. And then of course
the star of the film, Carlos Apia gascn just blew
up all the pr completely.
Speaker 2: The thing is that, the whole thing is, let's.
Speaker 1: Explain what we're talking about. Zebe Soldania went back to
the press room after she won her oscar. There was
a reporter from Mexico there who asked her a question
about how poorly Mexico received the film. It is a
controversial film in Mexico, and did you have anything to
say to that? And you know, more power to that journalist,
because American journalists don't well, that's false to ask questions
international reporters.
Speaker 2: We'll ask you the tough questions. Yeah, and you know America,
so we did.
Speaker 1: Not have to answer.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: It was first of as hell.
Speaker 2: Let's before we get to the press room. Let's let's
let's go back to the stage. Okay, first of all,
winning Best Music, Best Original Song.
Speaker 1: Oh, those noxious friends started singing. She starts, she got
all this extra time to be an obnoxious ass and
all these other people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and she knew exactly what she was doing
because music is so awful. The music is awful, and
they knew she knew what she was doing. Everybody hates
the movie, and so she was like, well, I'm gonna
have fun here and mock everyone. Here is my oscar,
which was ridiculous, and the fact that nobody, nobody on stage,
including Zoe Soudaina, she nobody said anything about the trans community,
the trans people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean back to people who were complaining that
there wasn't a lot of politics in the speeches, and
a lot of people pointed out that the Amelia Perez
crowd has not typically in any of their awards ceremonies,
made any sort of reference to how trans people are
being attacked worldwide and especially in this country. Jack Odier,
the director, even said I would talk about it if
they had, you know, had picked me or whatever.
Speaker 2: Passive aggressive response in the press room, Rolie Stone asked
him that nobody said something about nobody said something about
the trans community, especially now, and he said, well, I
didn't win, so I didn't have a.
Speaker 1: Chance, So fuck the trans community.
Speaker 2: What about now? Why don't you say now right? Why
don't you say something now?
Speaker 1: Why is your support based on why that you win award?
Speaker 2: Because asked whole another one man this year was nothing.
Speaker 1: So anyway, tho idiot response to the woman was very condescending,
very The thing about zowais Stania is she she gets
into that actressy mode where she starts talking and it's
all platitudes. Then it's all very broad and you're like, okay,
this is turning into words out that you're not really
actually saying anything. I think a lot of actors and
actresses get into that mode because you know, you do
press and you just have to spew out words. But this,
you should have had a considered response to this and
said it was like, I didn't feel we were making
a film about Mexico. Well it sort of looked like
you did, uh, And we were making about women and
it was a universal story. It was not a story
own what it was you were doing. It was a
Mexican trans story that you were telling and.
Speaker 2: Talking about right now, the Mexican correct tell The whole
thing was ridicud. And the thing is that you knew
you're gonna win. Number one. Let's start from.
Speaker 1: From She should have had some sort you should.
Speaker 2: You should have a better answer, a more considered it answer,
you know, more sensitive answer, not after after the reporter
said all that about Mexico and how hurt she was
and this country and all that. Even if you don't
believe in any of that if you think that was horseshit.
But but you come up with an answer that it's
a little more respectful and and you know, with more
respect towards the whole country and community who right now
hates you and hate the movie. H No, she said, well,
I don't. I don't feel that way. Sorry, I don't
feel that. I decided that I don't feel that way.
That was for you.
Speaker 1: But why you haven't And that's not Frans or Mexican right,
And people were pointing out that you already have your oscar.
You know you're holding it right now. Who cares what
you say? Why don't you say something a little more
more meaningful?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's all a job interview. Yes, it's
all a job interview. There, she's interviewing for the next patient.
Speaker 2: And the thing that upsets me about the whole thing
with her is that I really love her. I think
she's awesome.
Speaker 1: I like her a lot actress.
Speaker 2: I I really I was rooting for her. I still
believe that she was the only one who deserved at
that win. But do you have that kind of response,
and then goes go on and on and on on
stage about being Dominican from the Dominican Republic, and you know,
the first one blah blah blah Latina blah blah blah, Wilita,
my mother and my grandmother crying all that. But meanwhile,
you know, fu fuck Mexico.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, it's like I do think
she had as a Latina winner, she had a responsibility
to craft a better question.
Speaker 2: Should have known she was going to get And the
appalling response that you know, it's not a this is
not about Mexico.
Speaker 1: What yeah, this is a story about.
Speaker 2: Four women that could be in Russia, could be in Detroit.
What yeah, just pure not It's just so wrong, And
everyone has the right to be mad because they they
clearly all of them involved, don't give a ship about
the subject meta that they, you know, decided to to
show in the movie.
Speaker 1: Let's never speak of that shitty film. Oh my god,
I can't believe I even defended it. I know, all right,
I don't have anything to say about Kiaren Culkan. I'm
fine with that when I predicted that, when I do
think it's we've seen a lot. We've seen Kiaren and
his co star Jesse Eisenberg doing a lot of press
this year, and never have I seen two celebrated actors
who were so clearly portraying themselves in that film, like
Jesse Eisenberger's neurotic, twitchy mess and that's who he played
in that movie. Yes, And Karen Kulkin is a same mess.
He's not a I wouldn't say, but he and I
wouldn't even say he's neurotic. Well, he is kind of neurotic,
but he's you know, he's that super charming, sort of
offbeat you know. It's exactly, exactly exactly the character that
he played in the film. And I'm like, I don't
want to take anything away from him, because it really
was a good performance. But I thought, Wow, that wasn't
much of a challenge for you.
Speaker 2: No, it's an okay movie if you go back and
watch it again, which try to wear at some point,
it's an okay movie. It's not a great movie. The
performances are. The thing is that if you didn't know,
if you if you didn't know those two actors, you know,
you would appreciate the performance a little more. But they're
playing exactly who they are. It's already a sweet movie.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't any problem with this win. I
really don't. It's a very sweet movie and the performance
is really elevated. There's not much to it in terms
of plot or anything. It's it doesn't progress far. It
drops its characters off at a point where they are
almost completely unchanged by the experience. And all that's fine,
as in fact, I think I use the term slice
of light when we reviewed it about five times.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: So I'm perfectly fine with that win, perfectly fine. But
I don't think it was a particularly challenging performance for him.
When you see him giving these speeches, I'm like, well,
you sound exactly like your character in this movie. You
sound exactly exactly same thing with Jesse Eisenberg. You just
played a version of yourself, right.
Speaker 2: I was whatever way more touched by you performance in
Honora much more. That last scene is incredible. Yeah, so
that is more interesting to me. But again, it's all
about you know, the playing the character literally, you know,
coming up on stage and you know, nervous and touching
his hair the whole time, and you know, a wife
and pregnancy.
Speaker 1: And speech and then an odd speech and then and.
Speaker 2: He went on and we would thank God for TikTok.
He went on and every interview was about like how
he didn't want to play this character, he had to
be convinced. Blah blah blah. Oh shut up anyway.
Speaker 1: On that note, Uh, do we have anything else to
say about the Oscars. I thought the ceremony was actually
very enjoyable. Conan O'Brien was really funny. I had no
problem with that. I thought the opening of Cynthia Reva
and Ariana Grande was one for the book and it
was amazing. I thought the Queen Let's performance was cute.
I don't mind these big, silly, goofy production numbers because
it's the Oscars, that's Hollywood. I would expect this sort
of thing. I thought it was dumb that they didn't
do the best song performances, like they all the nomina
for Best Songs per formed.
Speaker 2: They they didn't do it because they had to justify
why they were doing Wicked, you know, like they they
needed to you have those two ladies on stage, and
if then everybody else would be there performing uh it,
And I understand why they did it. I mean, it's
it's not best movie. It wasn't nominated. They sang two songs.
Speaker 1: Well, they get a whole like tribute to the Wizard of.
Speaker 2: Oz, right, so it was more like a performance than
than a nomination type of performance. That's what I'm trying
to say. Best movie again, Anora, everyone was shocked.
Speaker 1: I don't think I wasn't shocked.
Speaker 2: Well, people were expecting the Brutalist or or whatever.
Speaker 1: I thought the Brutalist had a chance, but I thought
the AI controversy was probably hurting it. It was a
weird It was a weird Awards season. There was all
these ups and downs and minor controversies constantly hitting every
single nominees. So but no, I'm fine with the win.
Speaker 2: Well Sewn Baker winning everything. And I think people some
of the criticism online was kind of mean because it's
a movie about a sex worker, so people automatically doesn't
think that the movie is a great movie because you know,
But I have to say, I absolutely love the movie.
But it's not a flawless movie. I mean there are
towards the end it kind of falls apart I think
as a movie, but it's still a great movie and
I'm fine with it. It's a lovely story. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I already reviewed it, so I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of like this kind of movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah more. I like that an independent film one.
Speaker 2: More than movies that I have to sit for five
hours to, you know, right, to appreciate all the grand due.
Speaker 1: All right, So I feel that we have eaten this
subject to death. We have put Oscars twenty twenty five
to bed. Let's do a quick check in on our
two favorite TV shows. I don't want our one favorite
and our sort of responsibility.
Speaker 2: I still like both.
Speaker 1: I'm liking Severans a lot. I feel like it's getting
back to a more emotional core, which the story was
suffering from moving away from it a bit much. I'm
not loving the White Lotus at all. But let's start
with Severance. Okay. So it was the Gemma episode. It
was a big information dump where we learned an awful
lot about Gemma, where she is, where she's been, what
she's been going through. And it's one of those classic
Lost style episodes where it answers a whole bunch of questions,
but then it leaves you with are more questions than
you had going into it, which is clever. However, I
do have to say, and I think I'm in the
minority on this in terms of people who love this show.
All of the mystery stuff does not thrill me. And
I guess it's because I've been through this with so
many other shows in the last twenty years, so many
mystery bocks shows. I'm not predicting, Oh it's all gonna
fall apart. They never know what they're doing, although that's
probably a good chance that they don't know what they're doing.
It's just I'm not interested. I'm not interested in like, oh,
what's what's Allentown? What's Wellington? You know, all the rooms
have names, and I want to obviously figure out what
the general sense of this story is with obviously, but
when they I don't know, I just you know, oh,
he's whistling the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald and you know,
and each room had like a and then you know,
you get into this stuff where one of the rooms
that she was in was a plane crash and literal
like he's flung around, up and down and everything like
there's how'd you pull that off? Like again, I'm stuck wondering.
They're so into these weird images right that they don't
want to explain, but I'm stuck there going well, how
did you do How did you get irving out onto
a frozen lake when he and then unblock? How did
you get her into a room that looks like it's
a is? Are there holograms? Are we really talking about?
Because I'm going to hate that. I'm just gonna hate.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it goes back to creators with budget
and deciding that they're going to do all these mystery mystery,
all these eggs, and I'm like, no, just give me
a show about people, you know, with emotions.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's plenty of shows about that. I
do think at a certain point, if we're complaining about mysteries,
anyone listening would be like, well, why are you watching
this show of all shows?
Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you why. First of all, it's a
beautiful show. It's one of the most beautiful shows on
TV right now. It's the cinematography, everything about it is great.
And when you really watch the characters, I mean, there's
still a lot to watch there. There's still a lot
to think about. When he comes to their minds and
why they're the things they're doing right and slowly they're
giving is that it's because they're adding all these extra
stuff that to me, it's not necessary. But the creatives
keep going online and talk about how they love people,
you know, sort of like trying to guess what's going
to happen and why nothing happened.
Speaker 1: Turning me off is that it's become so much of
their rhetorics around it. The people who were making the
show gleefully talk about all the mysteries and the all
the question and I'm like, this is all you're talking
about at the moment, and that's not why I got
into this right exactly. But I want to say this
was a stunning episode, absolutely gorgeous, beautifully beautifully directed, beautifully acted.
We got to the emotional core of several characters that
we really needed to see that they had, specifically Mark.
We needed to see a Mark that had real human emotions,
that was a guy that seemed a lie. We have
already we have spent almost two entire seasons with this
incredibly depressed severed human beings. So it was it was
nice to say it's It's was sort of like this
is what we're fighting for kind of thing, like, this
is the point to this story is to get these
two wonderful people back together. Because the tragedy of this
story is that they have been separated. Perfect perfect episode
in that, I mean, who didn't fall in love with
Ema in this episode? Oh my god, I mean, Dayka
Lachman is probably gonna get an Emmy nom for it.
But it was such a great performance Daken Lachman.
Speaker 2: I had to google her and spend a good two
hours just reading about her and her family and her
upbringing and all that. I mean, she's something. No, it's
just that I was fascinated by her life where. I mean,
you know, when you're that international. You know, your father's
from Germany. Her mother is from the Paw I believe
for or she was born there. It's it's fascinating because
you bring all these interesting, you know, stuff about you
and I not to mention that she's absolutely gorgeous. Then
I found out she was a model. Well she's do
a model. Yeah, she's gorgeous, and she did a beautiful job.
She looks stunny, stunny, yeah, and she's good. On top
of all that, she's a good actor.
Speaker 1: She's a good actress.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She It's funny when I was talking about SEVENS last week.
In last week's episode, I mentioned the TV show Dollhouse,
which that's reminding me of more and more. And she
was a major major character on Dollhouse, and I feel
like I feel like the Seventh creators are sort of
playing on that. I don't know how well people know
her from that role, but it is probably was her
most well known role, and it was a very similar
situation where she was forced as an actress, not forced,
but she was tasked as an actress to walk around
in this sort of fugue state all the time, to
be this blank slate character. So an entire episode of
her being this way, it just really reminds and I
think it was meant to remind certain viewers of that.
One of the things that the show revealed is that
she is in possession of several severed personalities. She is
a different person depending on which room they're putting her in.
If we're going into the mysteries of what this is
all about, they appear to be testing her, like stress
testing her, putting her in all of these very stressful
situations and then asking her what she felt afterwards if
she and I think they're just testing the bonds of
the severance, right. However, that seemed a little strange to me,
because they've already established that severance is like a twelve
year old procedure. Why are they doing this now? What
hasn't this already been tested extensively? However, I think that's
a misdirect. I don't think they're testing severance. I think
I think if you look at this episode, it makes
it clear that Mark and and Gemma are somehow very
central to whatever Luman's doing. They need those two people.
It is literally about those two people. Everything Mark's been
going through on the seventh floor is simply to keep
Mark on the Severn floor doing whatever he's doing for
Cold Harbor. They need him to do that, and it
has something to do with Gemma. So you know, I
don't know, I'm intrigued, but I was way more into
the emotional component of it. The fact that they.
Speaker 2: Right right right now, the fact that what the fact.
Speaker 1: That they suffered, and and you know, you you now
you understand what the point of the story is, right,
And what I love.
Speaker 2: About the episode is that it gives you this beautiful background,
the story about how they met and what they mean
to each other and their relationship and all that we did.
That that the information that we didn't have before. At
the same time sort of what's happening to her that
nobody knews, so you have all these you know, new
uh stuff going on that that it just looked beautiful.
There was a beautiful episode.
Speaker 1: In terms of the look. I just want to point
out it was the first time that most of the
episode was in sunlight and not in wintertime, right, and
that was just sort of refreshing to see. It was
when they did the episode where they were out in
the frozen park or whatever. I mean, that was visually
very you know, sort of a slap in the face
of the audience to let to wake up because you
weren't in those hallways anymore. And this was more of
a gentle reminder of the world that was, you know,
and and what was lost. And I think it was
beautiful on that level. I want to talk about Devin
his sister, because I love that character. I love that actress.
One of my earlier complaints was is that they weren't
using her enough, and they're using her more, but my god,
that scene with her and Regaby was it was just
so like, Okay, this is the stuff that drives me crazy.
Where Devin is literally yelling questions at her and Regaby
I simply not answered. I mean it's no, I'm sorry,
and they're trying to say that you have you know, Devin,
she's really asserting herself and I'm in charge, lady. And
now she would have that woman up against a wall
and she would be threatening her life. She would be
calling the cops. That woman did surgery on her brother
and then her brother had a stroke, and now she
won't answer any questions, and you're just like, why won't
you answer my question? No, I'm sorry. This is when
the show loses me, because no one would act like
that in that situation. And you've already shown Devin to
be the one person on this show who is level
headed and smart and sees everything for what it is,
and in that scene you had to erase all that
and ever act like a complete idiot so that Regabi
does not give out too much information to the audience
too quickly.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: And the fact and she the reason her reason for
leaving was so stupid, Like it's one thing if Devin
actually did call missus Kobell miss Cobell, but all she
did was pulled out her phone and Gooby's like, I'm
done I'm leaving. It's nothing about that scene worked, and
it was. I was just frustrated because I'm like, you
just don't want to reveal too much to the audience,
so you need to shuffle her off.
Speaker 2: I know. I don't like that when. I hate it
when something happened and no one talks.
Speaker 1: To no one's talking.
Speaker 2: I can't stand no, I can't stand anyway. Oh, just
one correction. I think her name is Deacon Lachmann pronounced.
Speaker 1: I was a deacon, I think I.
Speaker 2: And she's her father's Australia, not German as I mentioned.
And her mother is from India anyway. Just just a
correction there. And she's from Australia, and I believe it's
Deacon Lachman. Uh. Anyway, she is gorgeous. It's a beautiful
episode about her. I actually want to watch it again because.
Speaker 1: I watched that three times.
Speaker 2: I thought the episode was beautifully done, everything about beautifully
beautifully directed. It felt like like a modern contemporary yeah
TV to me, I was just.
Speaker 1: It felt like you weren't doing a David Lynch thing.
You were doing your own.
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: I noted that the director was Jessica le Gagne who
is the It was her first time directing. She is
a cinematographer, she's been the director of photography on the show,
and this was her first time directing, and she did
a really spectacular job. Again, I would think this is
an Emmy submission.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, I mean it felt like a
little movie. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The final thing, The final question is who woke up?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: When Mark wakes up at the end, he doesn't say
anything right, and if you look at his perform Adam
Scott's performance, he wakes up and he's looking around like
he's never seen where he is because Marx and he
has never seen Mark's house. So it I mean, the
whole point to this was that we were going to
be integrating the two sides of him. So it'll be
interesting next week if we find out who woke up,
you know, how much of him what Mark are we getting?
So that'll be interesting. I don't think I have anything
else say about that. And moving on to the White Lotus.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean that was it. That was pretty
much about Jimma and Mark the entire episode, which was beautiful,
absolutely beautiful. I kept watching the whole thing and really
appreciating it, which is kind of like a first.
Speaker 1: Yeah with the show. All right, the White lotus, I
don't have a lot to say. I this is this
past episode. I'm like, yeah, this is exactly why I
find this this show so frustrating, is that it just
spins its wheels forever, ever and ever and then boom.
There's like two episodes where a bunch of things happen.
Speaker 2: So this was just nothing of an Atha, nothing of nothing.
I mean, we still don't know much about these people thing.
And yeah, I was really frustrated with this episode. I mean,
you know, it's beautiful, plates great actors. I feel like
you're just wasting all of these great actors. Yeah, like
you just and I feel like sometimes Mike White, the
producer director, he gets access to these incredible resorts, and
I think he just wants to hang out in this
resort and shoot scenes. And that's what we get is
them just hanging because they have access to this gorgeous resort.
Let's just all shoot another breakfast scene, right, yeah, another
scene by the pool, and nothing moves, nothing moves, nothing happened.
Speaker 1: I think there's little vignettes and you know, Walton Hoggins
and snakes and you know, whatever, But none of it goes,
I know, anywhere. The whole thing with Jason Isaacs and
Porker Posi's family. I just am not fucking interested in
any of it, and nobody's doing anything and we're not
learning anything. They're just drugged out, annoying assholes. The only
people I enjoy I actually enjoyed watching her The Three,
the three Ladies, the three Bitches, And that scene was
where you find out that Leslie Bibb is a conservative
Christian for Trump. Just a beautifully acted scene of you know,
white feminism coming up against white conservatism and nobody knowing
how to talk or what to say, and Leslie Bibb
was just, oh my god less that smile on her
face was just she is incredible. She loved that scene.
Speaker 2: I fell in love with her in Palma a Royal
and she's great, Yeah, very very funny. But that's it.
Speaker 1: Everything else I don't have anything to say. I don't
know where it's.
Speaker 2: Rick and the Snakes was stupid. That was just so stupid.
The whole thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just say it right now, as a stoner,
I hate when weed is depicted that way. And I
felt like Walton goggins of all people you should know better,
Like you took a couple hits of something and now
you're all And he said in passing later he said
he thought his joint was laced with something. And I'm like, Eve,
it's so like, yeah, No, this whole scene was goofy
and weird. I guess the implication is that the reason
he's so obsessed with the owner and her husband and Bangkok,
is that something to do with the people who killed
his father.
Speaker 2: Yeah? They somehow they killed his father.
Speaker 1: So can we get to this please? I mean dancing
around it for three, four or five episodes.
Speaker 2: But they keep just going to the pool and.
Speaker 1: Jason Isaacs keeps ignoring his phone call and getting stressed
out and nothing, the story goes nowhere. Parker Posey, what
a waste of that actor? What a waste, What a waste, waste,
waste of that actress. She's phenomenal and I'm just not
doing anything. No, it's a Jennifer cooliche kind of like
I'm sure she'll get some big scene, yeah, but still
she's always high. And why am I spending three episodes
watching her just do nothing? You know, when you've got
fucking Parker Posey, let's have her do something.
Speaker 2: Everyone is saying that it's way too slow and nothing
is moving, and I, you know, at first, I it's like,
oh maybe, but now I agree.
Speaker 1: It's a formula and he's run out of things to say,
and all he's doing is changing the location.
Speaker 2: It's true, it is true. It's the same type of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same type of stories. And I it's
not interesting to me at all. None of this is interesting.
I mean, I love the cast, I love the location,
but absolutely nothing that is happening on screen interests me
at all.
Speaker 2: I means kind of season one. In season two, I
had no problem watching it, but I have to say
season three, I'm actually like strolling here.
Speaker 1: I'm like little bit with season two. It did pick
itself up, and it did have a great cast, but
I thought I had the same problem where it was
just a lot of wheel spinning for and then it
gets to a certain point where things start happening. But
I'm just bored. I'm really bored. We're going to see
it through to the end. But I have to say,
if there's a season for this show, unless the cast
is just epic, I'm probably not going to watch it
because he has not convinced me that he has any
juice in this concept left.
Speaker 2: And it's frustrating because in the beginning of Hione, we're saying,
oh my god, this season a lot, there's a lot
of action, a lot, a lot is happening and we
haven't seen anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure things will happen, but right now I'm bored.
Speaker 2: I still loves who Lisa. She's great, Oh my god,
she's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Gay Talk and Mook are still be people on the show.
But again, there's just a lot of dancing around, and
now the the bodyguards don't like Gaytalk because he wants
a job. Okay, all right, it just all feels it's
very love boat. It's very love boat where it's it's
just people wandering around the resort and you check in
with this one and then check in with that one.
I know, this one's having a drink and this one's
having breakfast and this one's getting them aside. Okay, and
and yeah, yeah, So that's that's my White Lotus review.
I just don't have a lot to say, I said.
I figure in the weeks to come, we'll have more
to say, but right now, they're just not giving me
anything to talk about. I don't know this. This, more
than anything, is why I do not write recaps of
this show. It's one of the Monty overwritten shows. But
it's also one of those shows where you, I like
the thought I'm trying to come up to with a
thousand words about that episode, It would just be this happened,
then this happened, then this happened, then this happens. What
people do, and that's what people. But I won't do
judgment a little bit of joke, all right, I guess
that's it.
Speaker 2: No, that's it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna start banging next door. That sounds hotter than
it is, but it's not.
Speaker 2: Anyway. I'll keep watching it. But no, this last episode
was just.
Speaker 1: Like, it does not have the juice any now, it's not,
and I mean it's not due to that cast. That
is a killer frickin cast. And everybody. Everybody's good, if
to the extent that they're allowed to be good. I mean,
porker POSI is.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean there's you can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no problem with and not even Patrick Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 2: Oh he drives me insane, But that character is supposed
to be doing.
Speaker 1: See, it's all fine. It's just none of you are
doing anything anyway.
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. We'll be back next week with whatever
cross ours. Oh. Two things, two things, two things. Need
to remind you all that yes, we are going to
be in Dallas June twenty fifth doing a presentation for
Pride Month, and all the information is on our website
on the front page of our website. Please go check
that out. Would love to see you guys. They're very excited.
We're going to go down to Texas and get you
all riled up and talking about the history of trans
women at this time in Yeah, very exciting. I think
it's very important that we have this discussion. And the
second thing, Meghan Duchess of Sussex, her new whatever show
craft cooking show, dropped today on Netflix. We had a
little bit of discussion earlier in the week and I
was like, are we going to talk about this on
the podcast because I feel like we're just going to
be mean, and despite what people might think about us,
we don't enjoy being mean to Megan. But then I
thought about it and I was like, I think we
can do this in a way that's fun. I feel
like we're probably going to roll our eyes at it.
But what I'm saying is, next week we're devoting part
of our podcast to Love Meghan or whatever, whatever the.
Speaker 2: Hell it's called.
Speaker 1: So if you want to watch it, please do because
we're going to go through the whole thing. We're not
going to treasure her whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all my kind of show. But I'm interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I'll check it out, all right.
Speaker 2: So that's it.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with that more white lotus,
more severance, and probably something else.
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