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Speaker 1: Tomy Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest.

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Hell look and welcome back to another edition of the

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p s L. I am the Tenior te Loo Tom

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Fitzgerald and I'm here with the low and your t

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Speaker 2: Are you love the husband?

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Speaker 1: Fantastic? It is our busiest week of the year. It

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is the week after the Oscars, which we love. We

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love that too much too.

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Speaker 2: As I think we mentioned before that I like when

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we have a lot of work because you know exactly

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where you're gonna do. It's a lot, but.

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Speaker 1: It's easier when everyone's wearing gowns. And yeah, I I'm

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always a little sad at the post Oscars. It's almost

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like post Christmas, where you know, it's nothing. It's a

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it's a bit of a letdown because there's such a

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sort of tsunami of content surrounding awards.

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Speaker 2: You I feel like you've been following these people for

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so long, ye and you.

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Speaker 1: Feel like you've been telling this little story since you know,

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like the can Film Festival.

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Speaker 2: You know about all the front runners.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, happy, you know whatever. Happy to have

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a lot of content right now. Always always at this

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time of year, we're looking towards what happens when all

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of this drives up, because you know, once once there's

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no more after parties to cover anything like that, the

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celebrities tend to take some time off during this time.

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We find ourselves really hoping Princess Kathy is going.

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Speaker 2: Through them out for something. We'll come up with. All

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we always do.

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Speaker 1: We're eighteen years into this gig.

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Speaker 2: But it's nineteen Jesus, but it's it's fun. I like it.

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I liked I like to see what they're wearing and

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all the work that goes into it, you know, makeup, hair, nails, everything,

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it's just nice. I like fashion, so I really appreciate

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the fashion side of it because of course there's a

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whole business in a whole movie industry, you know, aside

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from fashion, but everything contributes, everything works towards that final will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the fashion this year. I mean, we

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haven't done a sort of top of the episode announcement,

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but we are talking about the Oscars this episode. We're

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gonna do a little post mortem on the on the Oscars,

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and then we're doing Severns and the White Lotus. Yeah,

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just weigh in on the latest two episodes of those shows.

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So returning to the Oscars. First, about the style, I

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feel like it's our job every year to sort of

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sum it up, you know, to sort of look at

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the bigger picture. If anyone's going to do it, you know,

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there's right, we should be one, you know, be in

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the mix.

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Speaker 2: Let's say the mirror it was. I thought it was

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about prestige and seriousness of the job.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's always about that, but this year I

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felt I feel like this had as much to do.

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It mostly had to do with the wildfires, but I

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think there was probably some political response as well, where

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I really felt like everyone in terms of politics was

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well behaved. They didn't want to be the first one

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to open the floodgates, but they You could tell that

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everyone in a lot of the craft people and technical

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people who want awards, they really wanted to start this

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conversation and you could see them sort of dancing around it,

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and nobody actually did.

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Speaker 2: I also think people are exhausted of talking about it

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because if you do, you talk about it every day

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all the time, right, I know, you have a platform.

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There's a little difference and you might feel obliged to

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do it. But at the same time it's like, oh

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my god. I mean we talk about this every day

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at least, you know that's how I feel it, right,

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and I'm not up there.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was some backlash by the public, course

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there always is, because it felt that people should have

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been more political right in their responses.

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Speaker 2: So when they are, they say, you know, shut up,

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shut up, You're just an actors.

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Speaker 1: And sing or whatever. But anyway, back to the fashion,

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I do I feel that it was Listen, it wasn't

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uh dowdy or no, it was. It was a lot

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Speaker 2: And glam, very elegant, and.

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Speaker 1: It felt like they were really there was a collective

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embrace of old Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Everyone. The gowns were very slinky. You didn't see that

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many ball gowns like the one Cynthia Revo War. You

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saw a lot of very very body conscious gowns, a

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lot of metallics, a lot of a lot of silver, a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of archival stuff, because that's.

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Speaker 1: That's they're looking to the past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sort of like looking for the past, looking

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for I don't know that idea, yes, yeah, that idea

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of glammer from the past, which is fine. I mean,

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it's all fine.

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Speaker 1: There were several Audrey Hepburn and homages. There were several

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Maryland and Sophia Laurano homages. Ray was channeling Marin Marilyn

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and Selena Gomez was channeling Sophia loren.

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Speaker 2: And they all went with the you know, big names,

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old old names like you know, our Money, Prevey and

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and that sort of there. Right, So when you go

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with those brands, you immediately go for something a little

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more not old fashioned, but more traditional. Now.

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Speaker 1: I uh, you know, I love stylists. I'm happy that

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they do what they do, but I do think they

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have a collectively, you know, tamping of fact unstyled. They

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don't they don't allow their clients to get too crazy,

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and I do think sometimes I wish we had oscars

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red carpets like we had in the eighties and the nineties,

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where people were showing up in some complete little black

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ass outfits.

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Speaker 2: But today is so tied in into you know, the

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job and and and the movie, and the.

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Speaker 1: Problem wants to step out of now no.

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Speaker 2: I mean classic example is Mikey Madison. I mean, she

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played the you know, the good girl the whole time.

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Because she plays a sex worker. So she was trying

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to avoid that as much as she could because she

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didn't want people to you know, sort of assa scatter

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that way. Yeah, and and they and you know, quite

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the opposite of the Barbie whole thing that you want

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to look like like your character, not this time, so

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I do. And and then you know, you have people

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like Arianna Grande. You know, she mentions every times that

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she loves Vince fashion and all that, so you know,

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so there's also their preference, the combination of what they want,

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what they like to wear, and the message and and

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all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of the men, I'm I'm sad to

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say that as much as Coleman Domingo and Timothy Shallow

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may really challenged what an Oscar man's Oscar campaign can

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look like, it wasn't to their benefit, you know. And

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the ones who won, Karen Cochin and Adrian Birdie. Now

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let me just say right here, I am not so solipsistic.

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that their their fashion choices determine their Oscar wins. But

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Adrian Birdie and Kiaren Colchin, who very well deserved wins,

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and they were front runners going through the whole process.

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Those guys dress very dull essentially. I mean they dress well,

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but very boring, very professional, almost always in black and

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navy blue. And then you have people like Colemon Domingo

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and Timothy Shallomey who are really going out there and

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challenging men's wear norms and they're not winning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll defend Comming too, because I'm not attacking.

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I feel like he he loves fashion. He likes to

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dress and you know, dress up and and and wear

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you know fashion major designers and stuff like that. So

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he always looks amazing no matter what Timoth Deshell may

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decided to go the jackass way that he Oh, I

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don't care, this is what I.

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Speaker 1: That is not at all what I think he was saying.

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don't think that's whatever. I think he was doing something

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deliberate and studied. It wasn't about not caring. It was

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about wanting to do something different than what had been done.

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I don't say I loved every offer that he wore,

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but he was challenging things he was and you know,

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like it or not, the fashion press wrote about him

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a lot and wrote about what he was doing a lot.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, they write about him a lot. I wasn't impressed.

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I thought that he did the whole you know, I

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don't care about what I'm wearing type of thing. That

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doesn't mean he doesn't, but it was it just didn't

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produce great looks. I thought he looked terrible on the

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Speaker 1: All right. So going to the Oscars itself, the ceremony itself,

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of course, the big I guess the big story of

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the night was Mikey Madison uh winning executing what a

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lot of people saw as an upset because they felt

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that to me more was a give in going into.

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Speaker 2: It, including to me Moore.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, first off, I want to say this,

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there was an immediate backlash against the Academy and oh,

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you know, they always go for the hot young woman,

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and that's not I mean, you can talk about misogyny

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and sexism in Hollywood and in the Academy under a

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lot of different umbrellas, but the idea that they only

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reward hot young women is not true, and it's very

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much not true in the last ten or fifteen years,

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when you have people like Michelle Yo and Jamie Lee

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you know, Francis McDormand winning twice. No, the Oscars is

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not It doesn't have some long history of awarding the hotties.

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people were bringing this up. It generally scus younger. When

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you look at the history of the Oscars, it generally

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skews younger than the male actoring winners. However, not to

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defend the Academy or anything like that, which does have

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a voting history that should be you know, scrutinized. But

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that traditionally Hollywood did not offer roles for older women.

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is because Hollywood started producing more movies for women or

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about women who were older than thirty five, older than forty.

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was chosen because, you know, to me, wasn't hot enough

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Speaker 2: Now, I guess silly, I guess they just looked for

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a reason to explain why it happened. You know, I

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heard people saying, well, you know, the young one won.

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Exactly what de me Moore is trying to say with

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a movie that the fact is blah blah blah. That's

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a fascil. Some people made the argument that if you

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look at both movies, U Demi Moore share the the

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you know, the screen with other people, and Mikey Madison,

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it was all about her the entire movie. It's pretty

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much her. And it's true. I mean, you have other characters,

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I mean an actress, but when you think about the movie,

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you know, as great as everybody else is, you think

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about her the entire time. You know her acting her,

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you know the character, her character the entire time, so

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I can see. I mean, the thing is that the oscars,

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I mean, come on, and you know people are gonna joke,

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but it's true. Gwyneth Boutrow has an oscar. If you

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can't assume that every nomination or every win is one

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Speaker 1: Just or ballance publishline and all that. I was just

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about to say that people vote for the dumbest, dumbest reason.

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Speaker 2: For the dumbest reason. It's just an election like any

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other one. And you know, we know how it goes.

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A lot of dumb people vote, so uh, it's it's it, yeah,

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and you end up with with results like that. And

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they never changed. Number one, that they find it very

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a language that isn't English. That's number one. It's always

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always very difficult because if I had to choose, i'd,

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you know, i'd give it to for another toys And

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so many vDOS, so many actors talking about the Oscars

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and all that. They all praised this movie so much.

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and yet she didn't win. Uh. And then people were thinking, Okay,

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well it was to me, to me because of the

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comeback story and all that, and you know that's how

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Hollywood plays, andlah blah blah. But at the same time,

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is you know, then you give it to Mike and Madison.

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You never know, you never know. Everyone was surprised.

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you never know. What we never know during Oscar's week

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Demi Moore. The other thing, I don't want to make

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excuses for why things shook out the way, because who

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am I. I'm not the pr person for the Academy.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: But I do think one thing she really had going

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against her. It wasn't just that it was a horror movie,

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and they don't they don't generally vote for horror movies.

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It was infamous for being a disgusting, gross out body

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horror movie, and.

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Speaker 2: I chose not to watch. I chose not to watch

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it as well.

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Speaker 1: And I felt bad when we were voting for Galleca

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because I was like, well, I you know, and I

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just I thought about my thing, and I did vote

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for her for We're wild about you or something. I

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think that's the word they give to someone. But yeah,

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if you don't like Body Heart, you're not going to

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watch that film. And because that's all anybody talks about

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is how the last five minutes that ever are so disgusting,

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and people were throwing up at the theater. That's a problem.

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That's a problem for I mean the fact that actually that,

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to me, made it this far in an award season,

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winning things like the Golden Globe and the Saco and everything.

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I don't I think that must have been a huge

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disappointment for her. But I also think she had the

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best year of her career. She's got all these trophies

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that she never thought she'd ever win. I agree, And

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I think she's probably got a lot of possibilities open

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to her at the moment. And also I realized that's

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the point of the film. And yeah, Mikey Madison is

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like thirty five years younger than almost forty years younger

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than to me more but to me more a babe. Like,

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let's not talk about her like she's some grown She

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looks amazing, She looks twenty years younger than her age,

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and she she can do what she wants. I don't think,

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to me, is you know, gonna fade away like you know,

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one of the sisters in whatever Happened to Baby Jane.

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I just don't think that's.

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Speaker 2: I think it's smart to appreciate the process and what

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you you get out of it. I think, like I've

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watched a ton of interviews with Fernando Toys and and

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she kept saying, folks, I'm not winning. It's not happening,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: But was so smart to wit this right.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, the way.

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Speaker 1: She befriended every actress and made sure that she was

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photographed with all of these A listers.

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Speaker 2: She was just.

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Speaker 1: Smart because she knew she had an international stage. She

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saw this happen to her mother. Her mother, Fernando Montenekker,

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got onto an international stage, was lauded and didn't win

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the Oscar and then, you know, believe me, she went

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back to Brazil to be and a cultural icon. The

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woman did not suffer, but her daughter understands this is

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a moment and then she's going to go back to

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Brazil and do the work. So she's soaking up all

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this because I do think she probably will start accepting

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offers for American films.

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Speaker 2: Probably international directors, I hope. So she wants to work

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with a bunch of people. And she understood all that.

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She she appreciated the attention that the movie was getting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's smart. She smart, she's well, she grew

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up in a family of actress.

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Speaker 2: And stories of business, and her interviews were great and

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it was sweet to see all the other actors really

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love it her and and her performance and all that.

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So so it's all good. I think it's all in

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terms of actress in the leading real I think it

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was good. It was.

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Speaker 1: If you get a chance go on social media to

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see the videos of people in Brazil watching watching the

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term in the middle of the street, like being projected

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on the side, because Carnival was I think when it

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won Best International feedsure, I'm mean that its just the

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people were that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's going wild. That's something a lot of

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Americans don't understand, and especially Hollywood people, is that it

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is a big deal. I mean, it is a big

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thing to be nominated for an Oscar period even here,

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but from another country. That's even it's insane to think

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about it because that's especially.

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Speaker 1: A Latin American country. They do not get a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Love throw even in Europe. I mean some countries don't

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get a lot. I mean it's true. First, I know

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a wonderful, wonderful.

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Speaker 1: For flow, which I did a door flow. It was

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just that's very gentle little adventure. And then I texted

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this the night at one I said, it got to

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the last frame and I did not expect to do so.

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I just burst into tears. And not because it's a

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sad movie. It's because it's beautiful. It's and I just

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thought that final shot in the film was so poignant. Anyway, Uh,

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let's see what else are we gonna say?

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Speaker 2: Oh, there was a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Adrian Brodie giving the longest bit, literally the longest speech

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in Asbester. He wrote a record and I want to say,

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it's so frustrating. And I'm like, I'm a Cis white guy,

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I get it, but it's really horrifying to watch someone

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like that just get something. And I don't mean the award.

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I mean the fact that when he told the orchestra

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to stop playing, they stopped playing. And I'm like, you know,

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you wouldn't do this for a woman. No, you wouldn't

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do this for for anybody who wasn't but yeah, no,

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who look like that. Yeah, And so many of the

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trades people were getting, you know, pushed off the stage

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and everything, and he got almost six minutes.

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Speaker 2: It breaks my heart because these people win it, and

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then they go up on stage and they had thirty

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seconds and they're like five people, six people, and only

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one gets to speak, and then they cut off the

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other ones. It's heartbreaking. It is you have to understand

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that award. To me, it's just as important any other

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fucker winning great. I know it's not best Actor, not

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Best Actress, but it's still you went through hell to

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get there, to get nominated, to make to finish that project,

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and and yet you know you don't have five seconds.

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So this jackass, because he's a jackassss and and the

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speech started off, okay.

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Speaker 1: Now about how he's been here before and he knows

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that this is fleeting, and I'm like, okay, that's very humble.

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And then it just when he he got his extra time,

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I thought he was really he.

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Speaker 2: Had nothing to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not, You're man, Just shut up now.

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Speaker 2: First of all, people are all pointing.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna apologize about the Holly Berry thing.

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I really thought he was going to say, listen, the

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last time I was here, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: He's full of shit. He did that before. People were

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showing clips of the first time he won. He did

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the same thing, asking everyone to stop because you know, white, white,

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white man, white man's talk. Okay, so he did that before,

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and people were pointing out that he had a fucking

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gum in his mouth, and then yeah, what the hell?

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And she's like like a little hot yeah, like a

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little dog.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she was Harvey Weinstein's wife. I know she

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didn't have a lot of you know, self dignity or whatever,

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but I was like, girl, you do not let a

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man throw gum at you while you're standing there ten

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thousand dollars dress well, first of all.

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Speaker 2: Who has a gum in their mouth? You're above the

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age of ten in public? I mean who?

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Speaker 1: And you you know you think you're gonna win, right,

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You weren't caught by.

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Speaker 2: A surprise, Oh I have a gum? Oh here honey.

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So it was just ridiculous. The whole thing was ridiculous.

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The fact that what really made me mad was when

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he said, you know I've done this before, or you

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know I've been you know, it's not my first time

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in work. Shut the fuck opper, you idiot. Why do

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you think you better than anybody else? I mean, you

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saw these people could bear at least say one sentence.

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But you go up there and you decide that everything

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has to stop. And the orchestra I started playing twice

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or three times, I can't remember, at least twice, and

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you made that the point that everybody's making is that okay, fine,

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you want your time, have your fucking time. But you

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had nothing, nothing, nothing to see. You were like, uh,

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who else? He literally said that at some point who else?

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Oh yeah, yeah, I mean come on. It was just awful,

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awful and made me so mad at him that.

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Speaker 1: What I think is so funny is that when he

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won the Oscar the first time, there wasn't a lot

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of outcry against him kissing halle Berry because it was

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a different culture at the time. But I do think

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he struggled after that for many years because because he

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had a reputation for being, you know, a jackass, for

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being obnoxious. And he fought and he got back and

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he had this beautiful role and listen, I cried in

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the Brutalist in the first fifteen minutes, but just based

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solely on his performance, it is a well deserved Oscar.

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And what's funny is it's a very humble role. But

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he got up there a second time and got and

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was so obnoxious again, and I was like, you know what,

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I think you're going to struggle to find roles again

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because all you did was remind everyone why I knew

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had to work so hard to get back to this point.

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Speaker 2: Soad the whole thing. For me. Immediately, I was like, Oh,

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I really don't want to watch this movie anymore. And

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I can't stand it.

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Speaker 1: Is like a right, I loved it. I can't wait

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to see them.

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Speaker 2: It's like a Rummy Molly kind of thing. You know

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when he won for his boheming, you know, movie, same thing,

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00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:44,759
Like he was so obnoxious, like, you know, just just wrong.

473
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,039
Just the whole thing was growth. Everyone was disgusted by it,

474
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,519
and I was like, ooh, whatever, dude's.

475
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: Always Tatanya won. Everyone knew she was going to win everyone.

476
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,200
And then she went back in the press room. Oh

477
00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,839
my god, these Amelia Purres people, they really still don't

478
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,640
know how to deal with the backlash to this movie.

479
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,599
And I get it. You're in a weird position. Your

480
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:09,440
movie was widely, widely celebrated and then there immediately there

481
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,680
was an enormous backlash against it. And then of course

482
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,359
the star of the film, Carlos Apia gascn just blew

483
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,200
up all the pr completely.

484
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,039
Speaker 2: The thing is that, the whole thing is, let's.

485
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: Explain what we're talking about. Zebe Soldania went back to

486
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,559
the press room after she won her oscar. There was

487
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:26,559
a reporter from Mexico there who asked her a question

488
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,359
about how poorly Mexico received the film. It is a

489
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,759
controversial film in Mexico, and did you have anything to

490
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,680
say to that? And you know, more power to that journalist,

491
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960
because American journalists don't well, that's false to ask questions

492
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,200
international reporters.

493
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: We'll ask you the tough questions. Yeah, and you know America,

494
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,559
so we did.

495
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Not have to answer.

496
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:47,319
Speaker 2: No.

497
00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: It was first of as hell.

498
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 2: Let's before we get to the press room. Let's let's

499
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,319
let's go back to the stage. Okay, first of all,

500
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,599
winning Best Music, Best Original Song.

501
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: Oh, those noxious friends started singing. She starts, she got

502
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,680
all this extra time to be an obnoxious ass and

503
00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:06,680
all these other people.

504
00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and she knew exactly what she was doing

505
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,839
because music is so awful. The music is awful, and

506
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,359
they knew she knew what she was doing. Everybody hates

507
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,799
the movie, and so she was like, well, I'm gonna

508
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,200
have fun here and mock everyone. Here is my oscar,

509
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,920
which was ridiculous, and the fact that nobody, nobody on stage,

510
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:32,880
including Zoe Soudaina, she nobody said anything about the trans community,

511
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:33,880
the trans people.

512
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean back to people who were complaining that

513
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,119
there wasn't a lot of politics in the speeches, and

514
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,119
a lot of people pointed out that the Amelia Perez

515
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,160
crowd has not typically in any of their awards ceremonies,

516
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,400
made any sort of reference to how trans people are

517
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,759
being attacked worldwide and especially in this country. Jack Odier,

518
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,920
the director, even said I would talk about it if

519
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,480
they had, you know, had picked me or whatever.

520
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: Passive aggressive response in the press room, Rolie Stone asked

521
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,319
him that nobody said something about nobody said something about

522
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,640
the trans community, especially now, and he said, well, I

523
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,559
didn't win, so I didn't have a.

524
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,519
Speaker 1: Chance, So fuck the trans community.

525
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,279
Speaker 2: What about now? Why don't you say now right? Why

526
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,319
don't you say something now?

527
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,559
Speaker 1: Why is your support based on why that you win award?

528
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: Because asked whole another one man this year was nothing.

529
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,039
Speaker 1: So anyway, tho idiot response to the woman was very condescending,

530
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:39,200
very The thing about zowais Stania is she she gets

531
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,119
into that actressy mode where she starts talking and it's

532
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,680
all platitudes. Then it's all very broad and you're like, okay,

533
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,599
this is turning into words out that you're not really

534
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,200
actually saying anything. I think a lot of actors and

535
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,400
actresses get into that mode because you know, you do

536
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,640
press and you just have to spew out words. But this,

537
00:28:57,359 --> 00:28:59,759
you should have had a considered response to this and

538
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:02,279
said it was like, I didn't feel we were making

539
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:04,519
a film about Mexico. Well it sort of looked like

540
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,599
you did, uh, And we were making about women and

541
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,200
it was a universal story. It was not a story

542
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,599
own what it was you were doing. It was a

543
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,720
Mexican trans story that you were telling and.

544
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,519
Speaker 2: Talking about right now, the Mexican correct tell The whole

545
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,240
thing was ridicud. And the thing is that you knew

546
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
you're gonna win. Number one. Let's start from.

547
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: From She should have had some sort you should.

548
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:31,319
Speaker 2: You should have a better answer, a more considered it answer,

549
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,359
you know, more sensitive answer, not after after the reporter

550
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,160
said all that about Mexico and how hurt she was

551
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,279
and this country and all that. Even if you don't

552
00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:44,680
believe in any of that if you think that was horseshit.

553
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:46,839
But but you come up with an answer that it's

554
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,880
a little more respectful and and you know, with more

555
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,880
respect towards the whole country and community who right now

556
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,880
hates you and hate the movie. H No, she said, well,

557
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,960
I don't. I don't feel that way. Sorry, I don't

558
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200
feel that. I decided that I don't feel that way.

559
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:01,920
That was for you.

560
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,079
Speaker 1: But why you haven't And that's not Frans or Mexican right,

561
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,880
And people were pointing out that you already have your oscar.

562
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,559
You know you're holding it right now. Who cares what

563
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,720
you say? Why don't you say something a little more

564
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,720
more meaningful?

565
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,119
Speaker 2: You know?

566
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's all a job interview. Yes, it's

567
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,559
all a job interview. There, she's interviewing for the next patient.

568
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: And the thing that upsets me about the whole thing

569
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,240
with her is that I really love her. I think

570
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:27,920
she's awesome.

571
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:29,559
Speaker 1: I like her a lot actress.

572
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,359
Speaker 2: I I really I was rooting for her. I still

573
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:38,519
believe that she was the only one who deserved at

574
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,440
that win. But do you have that kind of response,

575
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,400
and then goes go on and on and on on

576
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,160
stage about being Dominican from the Dominican Republic, and you know,

577
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,039
the first one blah blah blah Latina blah blah blah, Wilita,

578
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:53,319
my mother and my grandmother crying all that. But meanwhile,

579
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,960
you know, fu fuck Mexico.

580
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,279
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, it's like I do think

581
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,240
she had as a Latina winner, she had a responsibility

582
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,960
to craft a better question.

583
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,839
Speaker 2: Should have known she was going to get And the

584
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,000
appalling response that you know, it's not a this is

585
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,880
not about Mexico.

586
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: What yeah, this is a story about.

587
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: Four women that could be in Russia, could be in Detroit.

588
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,200
What yeah, just pure not It's just so wrong, And

589
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:29,519
everyone has the right to be mad because they they

590
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:33,559
clearly all of them involved, don't give a ship about

591
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,759
the subject meta that they, you know, decided to to

592
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,720
show in the movie.

593
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: Let's never speak of that shitty film. Oh my god,

594
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:45,119
I can't believe I even defended it. I know, all right,

595
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,200
I don't have anything to say about Kiaren Culkan. I'm

596
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,839
fine with that when I predicted that, when I do

597
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,279
think it's we've seen a lot. We've seen Kiaren and

598
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,079
his co star Jesse Eisenberg doing a lot of press

599
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:03,799
this year, and never have I seen two celebrated actors

600
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,599
who were so clearly portraying themselves in that film, like

601
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,759
Jesse Eisenberger's neurotic, twitchy mess and that's who he played

602
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,480
in that movie. Yes, And Karen Kulkin is a same mess.

603
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,839
He's not a I wouldn't say, but he and I

604
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,519
wouldn't even say he's neurotic. Well, he is kind of neurotic,

605
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:25,079
but he's you know, he's that super charming, sort of

606
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:28,799
offbeat you know. It's exactly, exactly exactly the character that

607
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,480
he played in the film. And I'm like, I don't

608
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,160
want to take anything away from him, because it really

609
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,680
was a good performance. But I thought, Wow, that wasn't

610
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:36,000
much of a challenge for you.

611
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,599
Speaker 2: No, it's an okay movie if you go back and

612
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,480
watch it again, which try to wear at some point,

613
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,200
it's an okay movie. It's not a great movie. The

614
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,799
performances are. The thing is that if you didn't know,

615
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:50,839
if you if you didn't know those two actors, you know,

616
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:55,759
you would appreciate the performance a little more. But they're

617
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,720
playing exactly who they are. It's already a sweet movie.

618
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't any problem with this win. I

619
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,119
really don't. It's a very sweet movie and the performance

620
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,319
is really elevated. There's not much to it in terms

621
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,960
of plot or anything. It's it doesn't progress far. It

622
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:14,319
drops its characters off at a point where they are

623
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,240
almost completely unchanged by the experience. And all that's fine,

624
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,039
as in fact, I think I use the term slice

625
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,039
of light when we reviewed it about five times.

626
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

627
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,519
Speaker 1: So I'm perfectly fine with that win, perfectly fine. But

628
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,680
I don't think it was a particularly challenging performance for him.

629
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,920
When you see him giving these speeches, I'm like, well,

630
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,359
you sound exactly like your character in this movie. You

631
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,119
sound exactly exactly same thing with Jesse Eisenberg. You just

632
00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:41,839
played a version of yourself, right.

633
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: I was whatever way more touched by you performance in

634
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,039
Honora much more. That last scene is incredible. Yeah, so

635
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,440
that is more interesting to me. But again, it's all

636
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,519
about you know, the playing the character literally, you know,

637
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,960
coming up on stage and you know, nervous and touching

638
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,759
his hair the whole time, and you know, a wife

639
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,119
and pregnancy.

640
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,039
Speaker 1: And speech and then an odd speech and then and.

641
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: He went on and we would thank God for TikTok.

642
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,159
He went on and every interview was about like how

643
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,159
he didn't want to play this character, he had to

644
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,039
be convinced. Blah blah blah. Oh shut up anyway.

645
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: On that note, Uh, do we have anything else to

646
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,679
say about the Oscars. I thought the ceremony was actually

647
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,199
very enjoyable. Conan O'Brien was really funny. I had no

648
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,199
problem with that. I thought the opening of Cynthia Reva

649
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,480
and Ariana Grande was one for the book and it

650
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,920
was amazing. I thought the Queen Let's performance was cute.

651
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,960
I don't mind these big, silly, goofy production numbers because

652
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,440
it's the Oscars, that's Hollywood. I would expect this sort

653
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,280
of thing. I thought it was dumb that they didn't

654
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,239
do the best song performances, like they all the nomina

655
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,039
for Best Songs per formed.

656
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,599
Speaker 2: They they didn't do it because they had to justify

657
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,519
why they were doing Wicked, you know, like they they

658
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,119
needed to you have those two ladies on stage, and

659
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:06,599
if then everybody else would be there performing uh it,

660
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,159
And I understand why they did it. I mean, it's

661
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,559
it's not best movie. It wasn't nominated. They sang two songs.

662
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, they get a whole like tribute to the Wizard of.

663
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,559
Speaker 2: Oz, right, so it was more like a performance than

664
00:35:18,599 --> 00:35:21,559
than a nomination type of performance. That's what I'm trying

665
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:28,159
to say. Best movie again, Anora, everyone was shocked.

666
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,559
Speaker 1: I don't think I wasn't shocked.

667
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,079
Speaker 2: Well, people were expecting the Brutalist or or whatever.

668
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: I thought the Brutalist had a chance, but I thought

669
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,119
the AI controversy was probably hurting it. It was a

670
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,039
weird It was a weird Awards season. There was all

671
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:48,599
these ups and downs and minor controversies constantly hitting every

672
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:51,679
single nominees. So but no, I'm fine with the win.

673
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,199
Speaker 2: Well Sewn Baker winning everything. And I think people some

674
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,440
of the criticism online was kind of mean because it's

675
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,960
a movie about a sex worker, so people automatically doesn't

676
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,039
think that the movie is a great movie because you know,

677
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,320
But I have to say, I absolutely love the movie.

678
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,800
But it's not a flawless movie. I mean there are

679
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,599
towards the end it kind of falls apart I think

680
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,199
as a movie, but it's still a great movie and

681
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:28,440
I'm fine with it. It's a lovely story. Anyway.

682
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,079
Speaker 1: I already reviewed it, so I don't.

683
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I kind of like this kind of movie.

684
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,039
Speaker 1: Yeah more. I like that an independent film one.

685
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,599
Speaker 2: More than movies that I have to sit for five

686
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,519
hours to, you know, right, to appreciate all the grand due.

687
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:46,119
Speaker 1: All right, So I feel that we have eaten this

688
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,840
subject to death. We have put Oscars twenty twenty five

689
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,960
to bed. Let's do a quick check in on our

690
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,920
two favorite TV shows. I don't want our one favorite

691
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,239
and our sort of responsibility.

692
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,199
Speaker 2: I still like both.

693
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm liking Severans a lot. I feel like it's getting

694
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,960
back to a more emotional core, which the story was

695
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:14,599
suffering from moving away from it a bit much. I'm

696
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:16,800
not loving the White Lotus at all. But let's start

697
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,920
with Severance. Okay. So it was the Gemma episode. It

698
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:24,599
was a big information dump where we learned an awful

699
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,960
lot about Gemma, where she is, where she's been, what

700
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,119
she's been going through. And it's one of those classic

701
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,159
Lost style episodes where it answers a whole bunch of questions,

702
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,880
but then it leaves you with are more questions than

703
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,400
you had going into it, which is clever. However, I

704
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,599
do have to say, and I think I'm in the

705
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,480
minority on this in terms of people who love this show.

706
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,480
All of the mystery stuff does not thrill me. And

707
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,320
I guess it's because I've been through this with so

708
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,079
many other shows in the last twenty years, so many

709
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,719
mystery bocks shows. I'm not predicting, Oh it's all gonna

710
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,480
fall apart. They never know what they're doing, although that's

711
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:08,719
probably a good chance that they don't know what they're doing.

712
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,119
It's just I'm not interested. I'm not interested in like, oh,

713
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,679
what's what's Allentown? What's Wellington? You know, all the rooms

714
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,719
have names, and I want to obviously figure out what

715
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360
the general sense of this story is with obviously, but

716
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,599
when they I don't know, I just you know, oh,

717
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,039
he's whistling the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald and you know,

718
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,719
and each room had like a and then you know,

719
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,039
you get into this stuff where one of the rooms

720
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:44,960
that she was in was a plane crash and literal

721
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,079
like he's flung around, up and down and everything like

722
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:53,079
there's how'd you pull that off? Like again, I'm stuck wondering.

723
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,719
They're so into these weird images right that they don't

724
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,360
want to explain, but I'm stuck there going well, how

725
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,519
did you do How did you get irving out onto

726
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:06,280
a frozen lake when he and then unblock? How did

727
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,199
you get her into a room that looks like it's

728
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,519
a is? Are there holograms? Are we really talking about?

729
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,519
Because I'm going to hate that. I'm just gonna hate.

730
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it goes back to creators with budget

731
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:21,960
and deciding that they're going to do all these mystery mystery,

732
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,559
all these eggs, and I'm like, no, just give me

733
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,079
a show about people, you know, with emotions.

734
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's plenty of shows about that. I

735
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,559
do think at a certain point, if we're complaining about mysteries,

736
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,119
anyone listening would be like, well, why are you watching

737
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:40,320
this show of all shows?

738
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,119
Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you why. First of all, it's a

739
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,000
beautiful show. It's one of the most beautiful shows on

740
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,679
TV right now. It's the cinematography, everything about it is great.

741
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:54,480
And when you really watch the characters, I mean, there's

742
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,360
still a lot to watch there. There's still a lot

743
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,440
to think about. When he comes to their minds and

744
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,840
why they're the things they're doing right and slowly they're

745
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,199
giving is that it's because they're adding all these extra

746
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,119
stuff that to me, it's not necessary. But the creatives

747
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:14,360
keep going online and talk about how they love people,

748
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,280
you know, sort of like trying to guess what's going

749
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,880
to happen and why nothing happened.

750
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,679
Speaker 1: Turning me off is that it's become so much of

751
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,800
their rhetorics around it. The people who were making the

752
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,920
show gleefully talk about all the mysteries and the all

753
00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,360
the question and I'm like, this is all you're talking

754
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920
about at the moment, and that's not why I got

755
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,800
into this right exactly. But I want to say this

756
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,920
was a stunning episode, absolutely gorgeous, beautifully beautifully directed, beautifully acted.

757
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,159
We got to the emotional core of several characters that

758
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,039
we really needed to see that they had, specifically Mark.

759
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,960
We needed to see a Mark that had real human emotions,

760
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,280
that was a guy that seemed a lie. We have

761
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,119
already we have spent almost two entire seasons with this

762
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,519
incredibly depressed severed human beings. So it was it was

763
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,000
nice to say it's It's was sort of like this

764
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,079
is what we're fighting for kind of thing, like, this

765
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,840
is the point to this story is to get these

766
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,880
two wonderful people back together. Because the tragedy of this

767
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,239
story is that they have been separated. Perfect perfect episode

768
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,159
in that, I mean, who didn't fall in love with

769
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Ema in this episode? Oh my god, I mean, Dayka

770
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:30,280
Lachman is probably gonna get an Emmy nom for it.

771
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,320
But it was such a great performance Daken Lachman.

772
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: I had to google her and spend a good two

773
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,840
hours just reading about her and her family and her

774
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,119
upbringing and all that. I mean, she's something. No, it's

775
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,199
just that I was fascinated by her life where. I mean,

776
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,480
you know, when you're that international. You know, your father's

777
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,840
from Germany. Her mother is from the Paw I believe

778
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,360
for or she was born there. It's it's fascinating because

779
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,360
you bring all these interesting, you know, stuff about you

780
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,559
and I not to mention that she's absolutely gorgeous. Then

781
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,360
I found out she was a model. Well she's do

782
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,639
a model. Yeah, she's gorgeous, and she did a beautiful job.

783
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:17,000
She looks stunny, stunny, yeah, and she's good. On top

784
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:18,639
of all that, she's a good actor.

785
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,199
Speaker 1: She's a good actress.

786
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

787
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: She It's funny when I was talking about SEVENS last week.

788
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,960
In last week's episode, I mentioned the TV show Dollhouse,

789
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,400
which that's reminding me of more and more. And she

790
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,519
was a major major character on Dollhouse, and I feel

791
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:39,519
like I feel like the Seventh creators are sort of

792
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,679
playing on that. I don't know how well people know

793
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,639
her from that role, but it is probably was her

794
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,480
most well known role, and it was a very similar

795
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:51,679
situation where she was forced as an actress, not forced,

796
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,480
but she was tasked as an actress to walk around

797
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,280
in this sort of fugue state all the time, to

798
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,519
be this blank slate character. So an entire episode of

799
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,679
her being this way, it just really reminds and I

800
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,559
think it was meant to remind certain viewers of that.

801
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,360
One of the things that the show revealed is that

802
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,599
she is in possession of several severed personalities. She is

803
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,360
a different person depending on which room they're putting her in.

804
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,719
If we're going into the mysteries of what this is

805
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,880
all about, they appear to be testing her, like stress

806
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,360
testing her, putting her in all of these very stressful

807
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,760
situations and then asking her what she felt afterwards if

808
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,639
she and I think they're just testing the bonds of

809
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,800
the severance, right. However, that seemed a little strange to me,

810
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,880
because they've already established that severance is like a twelve

811
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,960
year old procedure. Why are they doing this now? What

812
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:57,320
hasn't this already been tested extensively? However, I think that's

813
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,320
a misdirect. I don't think they're testing severance. I think

814
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,440
I think if you look at this episode, it makes

815
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:09,000
it clear that Mark and and Gemma are somehow very

816
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,880
central to whatever Luman's doing. They need those two people.

817
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,400
It is literally about those two people. Everything Mark's been

818
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,360
going through on the seventh floor is simply to keep

819
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,840
Mark on the Severn floor doing whatever he's doing for

820
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,079
Cold Harbor. They need him to do that, and it

821
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,559
has something to do with Gemma. So you know, I

822
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:37,760
don't know, I'm intrigued, but I was way more into

823
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,239
the emotional component of it. The fact that they.

824
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: Right right right now, the fact that what the fact.

825
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: That they suffered, and and you know, you you now

826
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,760
you understand what the point of the story is, right,

827
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,360
And what I love.

828
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,599
Speaker 2: About the episode is that it gives you this beautiful background,

829
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:01,320
the story about how they met and what they mean

830
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,960
to each other and their relationship and all that we did.

831
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,599
That that the information that we didn't have before. At

832
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:08,800
the same time sort of what's happening to her that

833
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,719
nobody knews, so you have all these you know, new

834
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,079
uh stuff going on that that it just looked beautiful.

835
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:19,920
There was a beautiful episode.

836
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: In terms of the look. I just want to point

837
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,440
out it was the first time that most of the

838
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,280
episode was in sunlight and not in wintertime, right, and

839
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
that was just sort of refreshing to see. It was

840
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,000
when they did the episode where they were out in

841
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:37,360
the frozen park or whatever. I mean, that was visually

842
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:39,639
very you know, sort of a slap in the face

843
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,880
of the audience to let to wake up because you

844
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,199
weren't in those hallways anymore. And this was more of

845
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,119
a gentle reminder of the world that was, you know,

846
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,440
and and what was lost. And I think it was

847
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,280
beautiful on that level. I want to talk about Devin

848
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,960
his sister, because I love that character. I love that actress.

849
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:02,079
One of my earlier complaints was is that they weren't

850
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,840
using her enough, and they're using her more, but my god,

851
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,519
that scene with her and Regaby was it was just

852
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,800
so like, Okay, this is the stuff that drives me crazy.

853
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,920
Where Devin is literally yelling questions at her and Regaby

854
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,039
I simply not answered. I mean it's no, I'm sorry,

855
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,480
and they're trying to say that you have you know, Devin,

856
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,079
she's really asserting herself and I'm in charge, lady. And

857
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,719
now she would have that woman up against a wall

858
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,880
and she would be threatening her life. She would be

859
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,760
calling the cops. That woman did surgery on her brother

860
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,159
and then her brother had a stroke, and now she

861
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,000
won't answer any questions, and you're just like, why won't

862
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,880
you answer my question? No, I'm sorry. This is when

863
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,559
the show loses me, because no one would act like

864
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:52,440
that in that situation. And you've already shown Devin to

865
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,880
be the one person on this show who is level

866
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,239
headed and smart and sees everything for what it is,

867
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,840
and in that scene you had to erase all that

868
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,480
and ever act like a complete idiot so that Regabi

869
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,280
does not give out too much information to the audience

870
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:07,960
too quickly.

871
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: I agree.

872
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: And the fact and she the reason her reason for

873
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,079
leaving was so stupid, Like it's one thing if Devin

874
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:18,599
actually did call missus Kobell miss Cobell, but all she

875
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,599
did was pulled out her phone and Gooby's like, I'm

876
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:24,239
done I'm leaving. It's nothing about that scene worked, and

877
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,320
it was. I was just frustrated because I'm like, you

878
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,280
just don't want to reveal too much to the audience,

879
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,000
so you need to shuffle her off.

880
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,639
Speaker 2: I know. I don't like that when. I hate it

881
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,079
when something happened and no one talks.

882
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: To no one's talking.

883
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: I can't stand no, I can't stand anyway. Oh, just

884
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,280
one correction. I think her name is Deacon Lachmann pronounced.

885
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: I was a deacon, I think I.

886
00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: And she's her father's Australia, not German as I mentioned.

887
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,920
And her mother is from India anyway. Just just a

888
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,960
correction there. And she's from Australia, and I believe it's

889
00:47:56,039 --> 00:48:00,960
Deacon Lachman. Uh. Anyway, she is gorgeous. It's a beautiful

890
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,079
episode about her. I actually want to watch it again because.

891
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I watched that three times.

892
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: I thought the episode was beautifully done, everything about beautifully

893
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:18,039
beautifully directed. It felt like like a modern contemporary yeah

894
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,400
TV to me, I was just.

895
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,599
Speaker 1: It felt like you weren't doing a David Lynch thing.

896
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:24,760
You were doing your own.

897
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:25,559
Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful.

898
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: I noted that the director was Jessica le Gagne who

899
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,159
is the It was her first time directing. She is

900
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,360
a cinematographer, she's been the director of photography on the show,

901
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,880
and this was her first time directing, and she did

902
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,920
a really spectacular job. Again, I would think this is

903
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,000
an Emmy submission.

904
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:46,119
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yes, I mean it felt like a

905
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:47,559
little movie. Oh yeah.

906
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: The final thing, The final question is who woke up?

907
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,639
Speaker 2: Who?

908
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,079
Speaker 1: When Mark wakes up at the end, he doesn't say

909
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,760
anything right, and if you look at his perform Adam

910
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,519
Scott's performance, he wakes up and he's looking around like

911
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,559
he's never seen where he is because Marx and he

912
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:13,480
has never seen Mark's house. So it I mean, the

913
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:16,000
whole point to this was that we were going to

914
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:18,159
be integrating the two sides of him. So it'll be

915
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,519
interesting next week if we find out who woke up,

916
00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:26,159
you know, how much of him what Mark are we getting?

917
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,079
So that'll be interesting. I don't think I have anything

918
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,599
else say about that. And moving on to the White Lotus.

919
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean that was it. That was pretty

920
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,079
much about Jimma and Mark the entire episode, which was beautiful,

921
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:42,519
absolutely beautiful. I kept watching the whole thing and really

922
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,559
appreciating it, which is kind of like a first.

923
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,159
Speaker 1: Yeah with the show. All right, the White lotus, I

924
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,960
don't have a lot to say. I this is this

925
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,840
past episode. I'm like, yeah, this is exactly why I

926
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,599
find this this show so frustrating, is that it just

927
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,320
spins its wheels forever, ever and ever and then boom.

928
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,320
There's like two episodes where a bunch of things happen.

929
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: So this was just nothing of an Atha, nothing of nothing.

930
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
I mean, we still don't know much about these people thing.

931
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,159
And yeah, I was really frustrated with this episode. I mean,

932
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,119
you know, it's beautiful, plates great actors. I feel like

933
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:23,639
you're just wasting all of these great actors. Yeah, like

934
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,840
you just and I feel like sometimes Mike White, the

935
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,039
producer director, he gets access to these incredible resorts, and

936
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:33,719
I think he just wants to hang out in this

937
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,920
resort and shoot scenes. And that's what we get is

938
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,599
them just hanging because they have access to this gorgeous resort.

939
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:44,199
Let's just all shoot another breakfast scene, right, yeah, another

940
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,880
scene by the pool, and nothing moves, nothing moves, nothing happened.

941
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: I think there's little vignettes and you know, Walton Hoggins

942
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,960
and snakes and you know, whatever, But none of it goes,

943
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,239
I know, anywhere. The whole thing with Jason Isaacs and

944
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,000
Porker Posi's family. I just am not fucking interested in

945
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:06,920
any of it, and nobody's doing anything and we're not

946
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:11,599
learning anything. They're just drugged out, annoying assholes. The only

947
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:14,280
people I enjoy I actually enjoyed watching her The Three,

948
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,039
the three Ladies, the three Bitches, And that scene was

949
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,960
where you find out that Leslie Bibb is a conservative

950
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Christian for Trump. Just a beautifully acted scene of you know,

951
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,679
white feminism coming up against white conservatism and nobody knowing

952
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,280
how to talk or what to say, and Leslie Bibb

953
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,559
was just, oh my god less that smile on her

954
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:46,400
face was just she is incredible. She loved that scene.

955
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: I fell in love with her in Palma a Royal

956
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,199
and she's great, Yeah, very very funny. But that's it.

957
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,079
Speaker 1: Everything else I don't have anything to say. I don't

958
00:51:58,119 --> 00:51:59,960
know where it's.

959
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: Rick and the Snakes was stupid. That was just so stupid.

960
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:02,920
The whole thing.

961
00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just say it right now, as a stoner,

962
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:10,159
I hate when weed is depicted that way. And I

963
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,840
felt like Walton goggins of all people you should know better,

964
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,480
Like you took a couple hits of something and now

965
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,360
you're all And he said in passing later he said

966
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,280
he thought his joint was laced with something. And I'm like, Eve,

967
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,760
it's so like, yeah, No, this whole scene was goofy

968
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,679
and weird. I guess the implication is that the reason

969
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,119
he's so obsessed with the owner and her husband and Bangkok,

970
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,840
is that something to do with the people who killed

971
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,280
his father.

972
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? They somehow they killed his father.

973
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,679
Speaker 1: So can we get to this please? I mean dancing

974
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,320
around it for three, four or five episodes.

975
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: But they keep just going to the pool and.

976
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: Jason Isaacs keeps ignoring his phone call and getting stressed

977
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,440
out and nothing, the story goes nowhere. Parker Posey, what

978
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,519
a waste of that actor? What a waste, What a waste, waste,

979
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:03,599
waste of that actress. She's phenomenal and I'm just not

980
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,159
doing anything. No, it's a Jennifer cooliche kind of like

981
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,320
I'm sure she'll get some big scene, yeah, but still

982
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,760
she's always high. And why am I spending three episodes

983
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,079
watching her just do nothing? You know, when you've got

984
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:19,239
fucking Parker Posey, let's have her do something.

985
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: Everyone is saying that it's way too slow and nothing

986
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,079
is moving, and I, you know, at first, I it's like,

987
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:26,679
oh maybe, but now I agree.

988
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: It's a formula and he's run out of things to say,

989
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,679
and all he's doing is changing the location.

990
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,639
Speaker 2: It's true, it is true. It's the same type of people.

991
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same type of stories. And I it's

992
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,639
not interesting to me at all. None of this is interesting.

993
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,480
I mean, I love the cast, I love the location,

994
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,239
but absolutely nothing that is happening on screen interests me

995
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:50,920
at all.

996
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: I means kind of season one. In season two, I

997
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,239
had no problem watching it, but I have to say

998
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,320
season three, I'm actually like strolling here.

999
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,679
Speaker 1: I'm like little bit with season two. It did pick

1000
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,880
itself up, and it did have a great cast, but

1001
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,719
I thought I had the same problem where it was

1002
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,639
just a lot of wheel spinning for and then it

1003
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,719
gets to a certain point where things start happening. But

1004
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,000
I'm just bored. I'm really bored. We're going to see

1005
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,440
it through to the end. But I have to say,

1006
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,199
if there's a season for this show, unless the cast

1007
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,679
is just epic, I'm probably not going to watch it

1008
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,440
because he has not convinced me that he has any

1009
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:24,960
juice in this concept left.

1010
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: And it's frustrating because in the beginning of Hione, we're saying,

1011
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,039
oh my god, this season a lot, there's a lot

1012
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,639
of action, a lot, a lot is happening and we

1013
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,800
haven't seen anything.

1014
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure things will happen, but right now I'm bored.

1015
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: I still loves who Lisa. She's great, Oh my god,

1016
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:43,360
she's phenomenal.

1017
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,119
Speaker 1: Gay Talk and Mook are still be people on the show.

1018
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,800
But again, there's just a lot of dancing around, and

1019
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,280
now the the bodyguards don't like Gaytalk because he wants

1020
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,119
a job. Okay, all right, it just all feels it's

1021
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,119
very love boat. It's very love boat where it's it's

1022
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:02,480
just people wandering around the resort and you check in

1023
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,119
with this one and then check in with that one.

1024
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:05,840
I know, this one's having a drink and this one's

1025
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,480
having breakfast and this one's getting them aside. Okay, and

1026
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,360
and yeah, yeah, So that's that's my White Lotus review.

1027
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,840
I just don't have a lot to say, I said.

1028
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,880
I figure in the weeks to come, we'll have more

1029
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,559
to say, but right now, they're just not giving me

1030
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,199
anything to talk about. I don't know this. This, more

1031
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:26,239
than anything, is why I do not write recaps of

1032
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,800
this show. It's one of the Monty overwritten shows. But

1033
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,559
it's also one of those shows where you, I like

1034
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:35,639
the thought I'm trying to come up to with a

1035
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,960
thousand words about that episode, It would just be this happened,

1036
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,000
then this happened, then this happened, then this happens. What

1037
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:44,360
people do, and that's what people. But I won't do

1038
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,800
judgment a little bit of joke, all right, I guess

1039
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,239
that's it.

1040
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,039
Speaker 2: No, that's it.

1041
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna start banging next door. That sounds hotter than

1042
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,119
it is, but it's not.

1043
00:55:54,960 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: Anyway. I'll keep watching it. But no, this last episode

1044
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,519
was just.

1045
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,519
Speaker 1: Like, it does not have the juice any now, it's not,

1046
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,199
and I mean it's not due to that cast. That

1047
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,559
is a killer frickin cast. And everybody. Everybody's good, if

1048
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,760
to the extent that they're allowed to be good. I mean,

1049
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:18,440
porker POSI is.

1050
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean there's you can do.

1051
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no problem with and not even Patrick Schwarzenegger.

1052
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,079
Speaker 2: Oh he drives me insane, But that character is supposed

1053
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:27,559
to be doing.

1054
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:31,119
Speaker 1: See, it's all fine. It's just none of you are

1055
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,280
doing anything anyway.

1056
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, that's about it.

1057
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:40,119
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. We'll be back next week with whatever

1058
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:44,360
cross ours. Oh. Two things, two things, two things. Need

1059
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,400
to remind you all that yes, we are going to

1060
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,599
be in Dallas June twenty fifth doing a presentation for

1061
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,280
Pride Month, and all the information is on our website

1062
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,199
on the front page of our website. Please go check

1063
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,840
that out. Would love to see you guys. They're very excited.

1064
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,199
We're going to go down to Texas and get you

1065
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,480
all riled up and talking about the history of trans

1066
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,559
women at this time in Yeah, very exciting. I think

1067
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,119
it's very important that we have this discussion. And the

1068
00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:19,280
second thing, Meghan Duchess of Sussex, her new whatever show

1069
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,960
craft cooking show, dropped today on Netflix. We had a

1070
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,960
little bit of discussion earlier in the week and I

1071
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,280
was like, are we going to talk about this on

1072
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,920
the podcast because I feel like we're just going to

1073
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,400
be mean, and despite what people might think about us,

1074
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:33,960
we don't enjoy being mean to Megan. But then I

1075
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,440
thought about it and I was like, I think we

1076
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,000
can do this in a way that's fun. I feel

1077
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,679
like we're probably going to roll our eyes at it.

1078
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:42,079
But what I'm saying is, next week we're devoting part

1079
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:44,639
of our podcast to Love Meghan or whatever, whatever the.

1080
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:45,159
Speaker 2: Hell it's called.

1081
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: So if you want to watch it, please do because

1082
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,719
we're going to go through the whole thing. We're not

1083
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,840
going to treasure her whatever.

1084
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: You know, it's all my kind of show. But I'm interested.

1085
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I'll check it out, all right.

1086
00:57:59,199 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: So that's it.

1087
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with that more white lotus,

1088
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,039
more severance, and probably something else.

1089
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,119
Speaker 2: And keep coming to our side because we have a

1090
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:12,000
ton of posts. We still have a ton of February record, yes, yes,

1091
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:14,840
but and we appreciate it. You know, sometimes we're getting

1092
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:17,639
people saying, you know, how can I help you guys?

1093
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:20,960
You know, I want to support ad Blocker like and subscribe,

1094
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,119
you know, and come to our side. Keep clicking on

1095
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:24,840
those boats. That's that's how you help us.

1096
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,239
Speaker 1: That's how you help us. All right, We'll be back

1097
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,760
next week. Love you, I mean it, but love you.

1098
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: Bye.