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Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome, man, it is time for full

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court Press, two man show today. Myself and Rob Vino

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here to hit this thrilling slate of college basketball. Hey,

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you know what I say, Rob, As long as there's games,

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I don't care. I don't care who's playing. I'm all

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about it. We've got eight games to talk about. We

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have the Syhawk Rivalry, which we'll start with. Years ago,

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Drew Martin Betts told me that this is his favorite rivalry.

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He said he loves the name, so the fun fun.

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Drew Martin Betts fact, he loves the Syhawk Rivalry. I

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love that they put it on Rob in the middle

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of finals week every year. It's like this is like

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the one they always like sort of have their own stage.

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It's always like a weeknight middle of finals. There's like

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four other games and you get this huge game between

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Iowa and Iowa State, which this year is a pretty

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big game. I mean, you know, big spread, but big

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game in terms of like i was got a solid

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team and Iowa State.

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Speaker 2: Has anyone looked better than Iowa State. Rob Veno, Yeah, when.

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Speaker 3: They're healthy at them they are as good as anybody.

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I have a personal I don't know bias to them,

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but every year I'll pick up on a team that

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I just like the way they play. Last year it

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was Iowa State. The injuries did them in come in

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CAA tournament time. But this year, now healthy, you get

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to see exactly what they look like to start last year.

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And they're so well balanced. They shoot the three, they

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are up tempo, they can get to the rack. Taman Lipsey,

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who came back after three after a three game absence

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last game, spearheaded the route on Saturday, the unexpected route

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of Purdue. And so here you get the you get

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the in state rivalry. And let's let's shift over to

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Ben mccollins team here for just a second out of

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because they've lost some personnel heading into this season and

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including Sandford, who we saw last night, I thought maybe

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the three point shooting would suffer a little bit, but

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it has not.

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Speaker 4: Three guys shooting.

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Speaker 3: The basketball, and we're not talking about ultra small sample

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sized guys that are shooting the threes and making the

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threes that like, I think it was like forty three

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percent or better clips, So they still have that element.

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Speaker 4: But what I think I'm noticing most about Ben McCollum.

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Speaker 3: Is what we talked about to start the season, that

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Iowa was going to have this shift and pace from

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Fran McCaffrey to McCollum and probably go slower. It didn't happen.

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Right off the bat. Right that opening night against Robert Morris,

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they put up one hundred and wonders.

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Speaker 4: We're on there, We're like, Wow, this might be different

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this year, or it might not be any different.

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Speaker 3: But I will say that since then, it looks like

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they're trending a little bit toward what he wants to do,

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possession lengthwise, et cetera, et cetera. It's not quite what

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Iowa State wants to do. But again, they're so well

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balanced they can do just about anything. And going through

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this game and looking for fundamental advantages on either side,

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especially for the dog side, because when I looked at

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the number, I thought, man, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Going to lay that type of price with Iowa State.

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I prefer to take that price.

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Speaker 3: With Iowa in a game of this magnitude.

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Speaker 4: A couple of things here.

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Speaker 3: I would look for Iowa the Hawk guys to try

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and slow this thing down a little bit. And again

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I'll just reiterate you guys hear me say it a

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lot so far in the first month of the season.

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I don't necessarily or I do believe that a home

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team can dictate pace for the majority, and the majority

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being better than fifty percent of a game. So Io

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will have to do it in spurts and they'll have

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to play really good deepfense. Two things in their favor

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at them they don't turn it over, and they force turnovers.

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It's not like an Iowa team to actually be that

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good at forcing turnovers. I mean in scramble situations under McCaffrey, yes,

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but here they get their hands on balls. For McCollum,

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it's kind of a trait of anywhere he goes, and

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I think that's a pretty solid place to start when

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you're looking to play this underdog. The next way to

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look would be rebounding. They're just not that they're they say,

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an average rebounding team so far this year. They're gonna

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do some work on the boards because Iowa State's pretty

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good at getting second chances. All that being said, a

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couple of things here that I looked at. I don't

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want to play any Iowa State game under although I

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do have that feel that it won't be up and

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down could only because of the where the odds makers

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place a number. And as we're talking here, my eyes

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went down because I just saw the flash on the screen.

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The total is now going down to one and a

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half one forty three. But I like the underdog side here.

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I just think a Iowa makes enough threes, b Iowa

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forces enough turnovers.

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Speaker 4: See, Iowa doesn't give the ball away.

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Speaker 3: And when you start to put all those things together,

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boy twelve points. Well again, as I look, we're down

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to eleven and a half here, So eleven and a

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half the money is coming that way, thirteen and a

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half down to eleven and half. They probably see things

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kind of the way I'm describing them. But if I

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had to, Madam, I play the dog missed the boat

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on the opening number. But it just seems like a

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large number in this type of rivalry game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, Rob, I've been on Twitter all morning

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and you know, discords and stuff, and this seems like

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a very polarizing like argument today because you've got I

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feel like you got about half the people are like

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Iowa State's going to run them out of the gym.

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This is that they take this rivalry. More seriously, this

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is their super Bowl. It's and aims, and then the

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other half are how in the world is Iowa catching

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this many points. It looks like the respected opinion is

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the latter at this point, because this is actually down

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to ten and a half now some places now I'm

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looking at like pretty much all of the legals, if

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you will, have moved to ten and a half here

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the bigger it looks like Vegas books are still eleven.

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Speaker 2: Some of the offshore are still eleven and a half.

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Speaker 1: But like, there's no question the money's come in on

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Iowa since the open, which this opened as highest thirteen,

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some places twelve and a half. I think most places

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where this was open. My number came out right on

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right at eleven and a half, which actually like surprised

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me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I thought that I was almost certain that.

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Speaker 1: Iowa would show Iowa would show value here, and that

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I disagree with it. You know, for me, the thing

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that like what would be I guess the path to

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Iowa State, just like blowing this game open, would be

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if Iowa State is defensively I mean that we know

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they're good defensively, right, t Otzolberg is always really good defensively.

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If they can it can pretty much neutralize Stirts, Like

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I think that that would be their path to opening

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this up to a double digit lead. You know, Tom

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defensive game plan for Iowa and it was a It

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was an in afficient fourteen points for Bennett Starts in

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that game, four for ten shooting from the field.

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Speaker 2: Uh turned it over four times.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that shoots fifty one percent

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or fifty and a half, fifty one percent from the field.

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So if you can hold him to ten shot attempts,

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forty percent shooting and four turnovers, like I was probably

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not going to win that game, right, Like, that's that's

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a game, especially if they're playing like a better team,

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which in their last or two games ago they were

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playing a better team in Michigan State and they were

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able to do that to Starts. And what was the

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final score in that game, Rob, I think it was

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a twenty point blowout.

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Speaker 2: So you look at this game here.

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Speaker 1: You know, Iowa State turned Braden Smith over six times

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over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty impressive. You don't see that every day.

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Speaker 1: Torre was was fantastic in Lipsey's sort of departure there.

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Now Lipsey is back, it'll really be I think it's

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going to depend on what Iowa can can do with

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their game plan with Stertz, cause starts kind of starts

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that whole game. So if they can really get him

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and neutralize him, I don't know that they've got enough

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firepower with the rest of the team to like offset

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that very slight lean to an Iowa State here for me,

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but it's now I'm kind of nervous to lean that

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way because you're talking about coming down to ten and

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a half. A very interesting game, likely not one that

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will make my card today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to your point, there's only one pathway

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for Iowa to win this game or to cover this game.

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There's more than one pathway for Iowa State to cover

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Speaker 4: And as much as I talked.

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Speaker 3: About Iowa not being a team that turns the ball over,

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Iowa states number two in the country in percentage of

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turnovers forced. And so that hit the head matchup right there.

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We take the ball away, we don't give the ball away.

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I don't know, one of those spurts where Hilton Coliseum

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is going crazy and they get a couple of steals

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and a couple of breakaway layups, and all of a sudden,

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the margin that's created. To your point, I always state

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to correlate it to a football team that doesn't have

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a vertical passing game. If you're behind two scores, it's

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difficult to come back. And I think if Iowa gets

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in that position, it's very, very difficult for them to

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get back into the game and stop Ioas State from

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creating margins.

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Speaker 4: So they're going to have to be on their game

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for the full forty to get it done here.

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Speaker 1: I think if I had to throw out a lean

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in this game, I'd play it under a Iowa State

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made every single shot against Purdue, and I really look

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at like, so someone, I pulled up Trevor's comment. He said, well,

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Bennett Starts bounced back. Well, Bennet Sets did bounce back

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against Maryland, he had twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Like that's you know.

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Speaker 1: Maryland just didn't have the personnel to do what Michigan

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that game. I thought that was you know, Michigan State

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was ready for anything. I was going to do and

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that was really not a content by the end of

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that game. I don't know if I want to go

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against TJ and his ability to like defensive game plan.

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been good for a long time, but now they have

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a good offense that is so scary.

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Speaker 2: I think they could be I don't know that we

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know the ceiling of this team yet.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 2: If they're going to score the way they've been scoring, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I agree.

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Speaker 3: And to your point, Michigan State won by nineteen and

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we know they can't shoot threes. Iowa State shoots threes.

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They got four times. They can shoot threes. It's a

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veteran team, you know, they're used to Osenberger's system. To me,

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they have Final four capability. Like I said, off the bat,

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I'm kind of biased to them because I love their style.

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I love the way they play. I love the fact

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that they're so deep and everybody contributes. It's a tall

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task for Iowa. Again, these rivalry games you never know,

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but for Iowa it's going to have to be from

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the get go, especially in the opposing gym here Hilton Coliseum.

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They're going to have to be close with the entire

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weeks of separation. It's created here. Again, I don't know

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that I always get the firepower to come back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be my concern, and that would that's

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ultimately if it feels like if Iowa State covers this

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big number, it's probably late where they like extend that,

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you know, it gets extended out to twelve thirteen, fourteen

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and they win by like That's how I think they

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would cover a big number like that, But will be

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an interesting game.

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Speaker 2: So Rob when once a two man show.

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Speaker 1: I think this is the first time we've really done

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a two man because we had Jordan for a minute

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last week.

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Speaker 2: The three teamer is.

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Speaker 1: I pick a leg, you pick a leg, and then

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we agree on one to you know, it's like a consensus.

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Speaker 2: Late. There's only eight games, so we'll we'll find one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it will be, you know, in

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that game, but we've have other opportunities. And I want

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to go to mad Max here because he wants to.

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He says, green Bay versus I you.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, I you.

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Speaker 1: Aggressive defense takes a lot of files twenty five percent,

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green Bay points free throw thirty second. In Division one,

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I takes a lot of threes. Green Bay three point

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defense best part of their d But the thing that

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I'm super interested here, and I know you're you being

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the totals guy, I want your take on this. There

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was a point in time a couple of weeks ago

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where IU Indie totals were in like the one eighties,

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and they were getting steamed into like oblivion, like they

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were opening in this range. So this total opened one

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sixty five. I feel like if this game was three

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weeks ago, this would have been bet up to one

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seventy five at this point already. The way some of

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those IU Indie totals were being dead, it really hasn't been.

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Do you think that because that their offense cooled off

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a little bit and we didn't see those ninety to

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ninety plus games, that there's a little overvalue with indie

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again because they're still playing like a similar way and

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now we're chilling in the one sixties on the total

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like it's not being beat up at least it hasn't

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been yet. I found that super interesting because there was

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a twenty four point move to one of IU in

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these overs, like the third week of the season.

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Speaker 2: So talk to me about that a little bit Yeah,

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and I.

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Speaker 3: Think that the one sixty seven we're looking at when

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sixty seven and a half, I think it shows some

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sort of compensation for how slow Green Day plays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the question, yeah.

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Speaker 3: In total's world, what you would ask yourself is ken

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you Indie force Wisconsin Green Bay to play their style?

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And the likely answer is yes, Adam. And for me

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at least, here's just the way I look at these things.

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When you play fast and you don't play a lot

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of defense the opponent. Again, I feel like players love

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to stat pad and if they see avenues where they

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can score points, they'll fall out of their so called

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system or philosophy into the into the fast paced teams

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philosophy because they're gonna get easy buckets. So to me,

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I think you Indy can force Wisconsin Green Bay out

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of their system? Can they in a fast paced game?

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And again, this is a Doug Gottlieb coach team where

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he's kind of reversed his style, right because Green Bay

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was pretty much a high score and faster paced team

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and now they're a slower paced team. But I think

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the personnel might fall into it. I don't know if

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the coach can keep them out of it. You look

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at some of their final scores here, they do have

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the ability to get the seventy five to eighty and

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if they do that, this game becomes very very close

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to an over.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest question here is can they even

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stop you, indeed from scoring when you take a look at.

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Speaker 4: The few amount of turnovers that they're third worst.

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Speaker 3: As I look at the third worst in the nation

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at forcing turnovers, green Bay is if you're going to

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stop a team that goes at this rappid pace, you

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have to turn them over a little bit if they hit.

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It's bucket after bucket after bucket, position on top of position,

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on top of position. I think the chat viewer just

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now mentioned how good green Bay is it the free

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throw line, and how are you Indy takes a lot

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of fouls. Those add up as well. I think there's

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probably value here, Adam, to tell you the truth inside

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this total, playing this total over just because I don't

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think green Bay is gonna take a you Indy out

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of what they like to do best. I think they'll

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fall into what the other side does best.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important for Indy to try to speed

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green Bay out like they they for whatever reason, au

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Indy's also playing slower, and I don't know if it's

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because they had that sort of run of games. I was,

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I faded them in a game and I was on

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the right side. I believe it was Charleston Southern where

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this was sort of at like the peak of their like,

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let's like play as fast as humanly possible, and they

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just were. They lost the game one oh three to

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ninety one, and they were like so insanely out of sorts.

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And then of course the next game they go out

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and they give up one hundred and one points to

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Alabama State, And you just have to wonder if at

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that point they said, all right, maybe we have to

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reel it in a little bit, because we can't just

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give up one hundred points every game. It's nice that

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we want to play this style, but like losing to

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one hundred to ninety is not good on a game

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to game basis either, So like that's I guess, you know,

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even though they've lost now that the problem is though,

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losing seventy eight to fifty five is not good either, right,

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Like that's what they've done in Horizon League play so far.

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Speaker 2: So it's like where do you go?

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Speaker 1: You were playing super fast, giving up one hundred points

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but losing close games that were in like the nineties.

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Speaker 2: But the last two games they've been blown out. They've

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slown it.

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Speaker 1: They slowed down their tempo in terms of like like

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how many you know shots they're getting up possessions per game.

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They were blown out by Detroit and they were blown

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out by Youngstown State. So to me that there only

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can be one thought process here for IU Indy. It's

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it's played as fast as humanly possible. To go back

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to your point, because I don't know that that's like

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beneficial for Green Bay. And I'm looking up and down

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green Bay schedule and they haven't played many teams that

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like let it rip from a from a pace standpoint,

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even even when they stepped up in class like a

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lot of those teams like the Saint Thomas's, the you

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know who else, said maybe Yale.

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Speaker 2: It's not like they're like crazy tempo teams.

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Speaker 1: They're you know, they'll play a slower type of game,

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like which green Bay is I think more comfortable would so,

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like I still think green Bay is the better of

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these two teams. If you forced me to pick a

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side in this game, like I would. I still think

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I would like very reluctantly take Green Bay, which is

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is terrifying on the road, especially like I got Rob

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I had, I had Green Bay and that Robert Morris

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game where Gottlieb had a meltdown through a chair and

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he had every reason to throw in that chair because

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they should have won that game.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, man, can I stomach Green Bay

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like minus one on the road.

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Speaker 1: That's probably how I would play it. I don't know

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if I could could get there any other way for

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this game.

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Speaker 3: And a couple of things that you bring up. The

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Robert Morris game, that's a one hundred and fifty eight

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point game. They get the one to fifty eight. And

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Robert Morris is one of the slowest average possession time

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teams in the country. They're into three hundreds. How you

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pu guys are at three hundreds. I'm gonna just throw

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out there. I haven't really brought it up this season.

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I do it in the NBA, I do it in

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college basketball, but I kind of use, for total's purposes,

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a homemade statistic, if you will, something I don't see

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anywhere else in analytics. But I use I just call

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it potential points. If every single ball that was shot

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went into who how many points would have been scored

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in the game. The last game against Youngstown State, one

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hundred and thirty three points total were scored, right, seventy

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five to fifty eight or whatever was seventy eight fifty five. However,

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the IUPU side themselves had a chance for one hundred

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and sixty if they made every shot. The other side,

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Youngstown had a chance for one hundred and fifty one.

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That's three hundred and eleven potential points in the game,

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and only one hundred and thirty three were converted.

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Speaker 4: Very very bad shooting out of IUPUI.

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Speaker 3: I think the three point numbers were arithic in that game,

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and so the low score there wouldn't phase me as much.

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When I look at these potential point numbers, they're still

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getting up there. When you have the chance to score

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one to sixty, if you score forty five percent of those,

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I think an average college number is like around forty two.

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Speaker 4: And had a team like iu IND which is.

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Speaker 3: More scheme than talent, you know, maybe a hair a

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bit lower, but the chances were there, I guess is

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the point I'm trying to make here, and the fact

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that Green Bay played a game that landed one fifty

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eight with Robert Moors, and it was a conference game, right,

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so even defense didn't even come into play in a

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conference game. I think maybe one sixty seven and a

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half to your original point way back when I think

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maybe you know, there's been a little movement towards over.

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Speaker 4: I think it might be correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and mad Max, I'm just just to give you

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a matter of fact answer. I think Green Bay feels

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like the right side as well. I just think watching

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these two teams, watching AYU Indies sort of struggle with

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their identity. Want to play super fast now we got

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to try to slow it down, neither really working. I

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think speaks to the fact that they're just that they

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maybe just don't have the personnel just yet, whereas green

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Bay I think maybe does. Like I've said this on

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the show a couple of times, I think Gottlieb learned

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a lot from his first year as a coach. I

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think he's a much better coach in year two. I

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think this team is better than last year's green Bay team.

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Number came out pretty much on the nose of where

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it is I make green Bay minus one and a

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half here, But I do see the IU indie money

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coming in, which I disagree with. So I mean, if

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this got to a point where green Bay was suddenly

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a dog, I might be with you.

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Speaker 4: I might have to.

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Speaker 2: I might have to.

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Speaker 1: Just that might be the frush the stubborn and pop

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committed play Rob where it's like, I feel like I've

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got to get my green Bay money back on them

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screwing me last week, last Thursday, and then over the weekend,

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I just got blasted by Right State. That was a

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horrible matchup for them. So green Bay probably over all

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a little undervalued right now. I wasn't sure if I

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wanted him on the road, But the more we talk

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about the game, the more I think green Bay might

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be the correct side. Okay, let's come back here to

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Central New York. I was talking to some people that

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are going to the game tonight, Rob. Some folks are

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not real thrilled. But the ACC now has this state

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nine PM slot to accommodate the new members. The cal

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Stanford and SMU pretty much gonna always have a ACC

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game at nine, and the folks of Central New York

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not thrilled about it, of course, but I'm sure they'll

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be out. They it's a fan base that was desperate

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for a win, like a big win. Haven't had one

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in the Red Autry area, Aaron until last time out

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knocks off Tennessee. So I expect some juice at the

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Dome tonight for this game. Saint Joe's coming to town.

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They had twenty thousand for a nine pm game against

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mom myth a couple of weeks ago, and that was

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prior to beating Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: So I think you get an okay turnout.

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Speaker 1: What I was surprised about here, Rob was my number

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being so close to what the market was when I

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went to When I saw these numbers first pop, I said, oh,

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I'm gonna have to talk myself off of Saint Joe's

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catching this many points in this type of game. And

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my number actually lands right in sort of where the

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I think I was at, like my twelve point one

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for Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: This has even been bad up. I think it's now

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thirteen or thirteen and a half.

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Speaker 1: That still feels huge to me, though, especially with the

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way Syracuse to shooting free throws, which is as bad

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as you'll see any team shoot him in the country.

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Do you want to lay thirteen at the Dome tonight,

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Rob Veno.

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Speaker 3: It's difficult because the first case you could make in

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favor of Syracuse is I don't know that there's a

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bigger step down in class off of the quartet and

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games they've just played. Houston, play them to one point, Kansas,

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I alowas did. Of course, that was three and three days, right,

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we talked about that, they get blown up. I always

478
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,000
stayed the third time in those three days, and they

479
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,359
come back and beat Tennessee sixty two to sixty in

480
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,640
a game where again they weren't favored to win that game.

481
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,920
They were off the blowout loss. I think people gave

482
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,920
up on Syracuse again and they come through the win.

483
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:03,319
But you play Houston, Kansas, Iowa State, Tennessee four teams

484
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,839
in succession with and I'll throw I'll love Kansas, and

485
00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:10,640
maybe I shouldn't. So I'll say round of thirty two potential.

486
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,920
I was gonna say sweet sixteen potential. Let's say four

487
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,279
teams with round of thirty two or deeper potential. And

488
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,599
now you're gonna play Saint Joe's. Saint Jones has only

489
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,200
played one team in the caliber of Syracuse.

490
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:22,279
Speaker 4: That was Virginia Tech.

491
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: It was also on the road, and they got absolutely

492
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,200
destroyed ninety four to fifty nine. So is Saint Joe's

493
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,480
even capable of stepping up in class. Steve Donahue, I

494
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,920
think is a pretty good coach, remember him mostly for

495
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,440
his Cornell teams, But I don't know that they match

496
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,119
up well in this particular instance.

497
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,759
Speaker 4: Now the problem, there's a couple of problems here.

498
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 3: First thing I'll say is if I keep pointing out

499
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:52,319
Syracuse positives, they've been really good on the defensive side

500
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,119
of the basketball, which is different for them a little bit.

501
00:24:56,039 --> 00:25:00,160
Saint Jose a bad shooting team from three. Syracuse's not

502
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,079
going to allow them near the rim. Syracuse rim protection is.

503
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,599
Speaker 2: Great, right.

504
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,079
Speaker 3: I think William Kyle was from what I think he

505
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,640
was number two.

506
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,799
Speaker 1: He's an absolute monster, rob, He's an absolute monster. He

507
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240
might be my favorite player in all of Division one basketball,

508
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,400
even though he shoots twenty percent from the line an

509
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,359
absolute free.

510
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,039
Speaker 3: Key is but you're not going to get near the

511
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,799
rim against him because he throws everything away. Syracuse is

512
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,319
very good at rim protection. So if you take that element,

513
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,240
can't get to the rim, can't shoot threes. We're Saint

514
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,079
Joe's going for points. There were an eighty percent free

515
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,559
throw shooting team, but I don't know how they're going

516
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:34,680
to get to the line that much. I'm saying all

517
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:36,839
this because my first inclination here, Adam, was to play

518
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,039
Saint Joe's team total under sixty seven and a half.

519
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:41,359
It's been since bent down to sixty six and a half.

520
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,319
The totals come down as well. In what figures to

521
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,119
be more of a slower paced types game. Syracuse hasn't

522
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,559
played especially up tempo. They don't shoot the three well

523
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,839
you already talked about, they don't shoot free throws well.

524
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,640
They make their living inside the arc, but I think

525
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,440
they can do it against this team. So they forced

526
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,039
a lot of turnovers as well Syracuse does. I was

527
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,440
making the case earlier to bet this game again. With

528
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,640
the Saint Joe's team total under even at sixty six

529
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,359
and a half, it seems kind of high to me.

530
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,279
I don't know that they can get to the higher

531
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,519
sixties against this Syracuse tee. If they're focused at them,

532
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:24,000
and in a standalone nine o'clock game, they probably should

533
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,480
be focus. The crowd should be there, the team have

534
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:32,359
to play in those four you know, NCAA contenders should

535
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,400
be there. I think there's a lot of reasons to

536
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,920
like the Cues defensively against the Saint Joseph offense.

537
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: Rob I thought the points being where they were at

538
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:45,640
the open just for the whole game was high. One

539
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,759
forty five and a half. You're not gonna if this

540
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,559
is not the game to go to if you if

541
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,279
you like offense. Neither of these teams could shoot, and

542
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,640
you know, Syracuse, I don't. This was the case a

543
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,680
couple of games ago, and I think it still holds true.

544
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,000
They have not played a single possession of his own

545
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:03,599
defense yet this year because they don't need to. That

546
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:05,759
was always Autry's thing when he when he came in

547
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,200
that first days, like we're gonna play more more man

548
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,680
and man, like I want to play man and man,

549
00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:12,960
and then he just the last two years he just

550
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,279
it was a disaster with who he had on the roster.

551
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,279
You know, guys that just straight up didn't want to defend.

552
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:21,839
So he was like, shit, we've got a good we

553
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,359
just have to play zone a little bit. Because we

554
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,480
were playing they were they would play man and just

555
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,359
not guard anyone.

556
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: It was awful this year. They are this This team

557
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,200
likes playing defense.

558
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: I think it starts with having a guy like William

559
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,319
Kyle who's just going to erase anything in the paint.

560
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,319
The biggest thing that like watching Syracuse So I went

561
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,160
to the Tennessee game and then watching him in the

562
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,960
in the players against a higher competition Kansas Houston will

563
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,680
throw the Iowa State game out. That wasn't even fair.

564
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,599
They shouldn't even have to play that game at like

565
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,599
ten in the morning. But like they defend without fouling,

566
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:58,240
which is which is very impressive. Like they defended Tennessee

567
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,599
that whole game and didn't follow And guess what. Saint

568
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,880
Joe's gets most of their points from the free throw line,

569
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,319
where they're number one in the country shooting file shots.

570
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,119
Saint Joe's eighty one point three percent from the foul line,

571
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,680
number one in the country. So if Syracuse doesn't file,

572
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:15,519
they're not going to put the number one free throw

573
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:17,920
shooting team at the line. And then you talk about

574
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,759
Saint Jose three hundred and forty seventh nationally from three

575
00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:22,680
that's not very good.

576
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:23,319
Speaker 2: Right.

577
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,319
Speaker 1: The more I watched Saint Jose, the more I really

578
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,440
think they miss Rashier Fleming and Eric Reynolds, who It's

579
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,680
like Eric Reynolds was just a bucket, like he was

580
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,759
gonna get one some way, you know, anyway. And then

581
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,960
of course, like the emergence of Rashier Fleming last year,

582
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,519
the guys like, I don't watch the NBA rob but

583
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,400
isn't he Like, didn't he get drafted?

584
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't he?

585
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think there's something to like Billy

586
00:28:49,079 --> 00:28:53,480
Lang taken off early September. It listen, it's very similar,

587
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,000
Like you don't peace out on your team in the

588
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,119
first week of September if you think they're any good.

589
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,119
I'm sorry, Like that NBA assistant job is probably there

590
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
for you next year. It's not like he left to

591
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,680
be an NBA assistant. Those jobs are still going to

592
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960
be there. That's not like the dream job that you

593
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,039
just have to take right away. If he thought this

594
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,799
team was any good, I think he would have coached

595
00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:17,680
this team very Tony Bennett esque in my opinion, taking

596
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:19,839
off two weeks before the season when you know your

597
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,640
team is absolute trash. Now, I'm not saying Saint Jose's

598
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
trash by any means, but I think he said man

599
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,640
we don't have Reynolds Flemings in the NBA. I'm looking

600
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,279
at this roster. I don't know like they've they've been

601
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,319
underwhelming to this point. They were better on in my opinion,

602
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,839
Saint Joe's better on paper coming into the year than

603
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,160
I've seen to this point. So like, I can't lay thirteen,

604
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400
but I don't disagree with you your look on a

605
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,519
team total under this Syracuse team can defend.

606
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: They are a great defensive team.

607
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: And just while you were talking and went down to

608
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
sixty five and a half, this thing for team told

609
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,640
us to creep down by a point and then another

610
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:58,839
point within twenty minutes is kind of crazy.

611
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,559
Speaker 4: I'm staring now at his sixty four and a half.

612
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:07,079
Speaker 2: I mean watching the show. They must be watching the show.

613
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,279
Speaker 4: I mean it's something.

614
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,839
Speaker 3: But to both of our points here, Saint Jose isn't

615
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:15,640
going to score from three because they can't shoot it

616
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,680
from three. You're probably not going to get to the

617
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,519
free throw line of Ton because Syracuse doesn't file, and

618
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:22,519
they're not going to get near the rim. With Kyle

619
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,440
back there, you can funnel everything into him. So where

620
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,839
your points coming from, they're not necessarily a fast break

621
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,640
team and Steve Downey who's probably still trying to figure

622
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,000
this whole thing out personnel wise, so you know, ces.

623
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I said, I thought I was going

624
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,799
to find a way to like like the dog here

625
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240
because again, like Syracuse, they do have a habit. I

626
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,880
go back to the mom Meth game which I gave

627
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,319
out on the show and ended up covering easily. They

628
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,599
have a habit of letting a team like this stay

629
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,799
in it. Like they really don't land to knockout punching

630
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,200
games like this, but they are if they play to

631
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,359
their potential. And I'll tell you the other thing. Donnie

632
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:04,000
Freeman is not going to play tonight. I saw people

633
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,599
saying like, there's no way he's playing tonight. That that

634
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,200
would be that would be not smart. I don't think

635
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,559
they risk him until they play a conference game again.

636
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,200
It just doesn't make any sense to, uh, he's got

637
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,200
an injury that I think it's like an ankle or

638
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,079
something like. It's not there's there's no there's just no

639
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:22,559
reason to play in a game like this. So if

640
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:25,039
you're thinking, like, oh, well, Kees might have Freeman back,

641
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,839
that would I be it would be a very bad

642
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,880
decision in my opinion to play him here, Garth, I

643
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,359
was trying to find your game and oh, okay, Garth

644
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,319
is giving out women's basketball in the chat.

645
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:39,319
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that. By the way, you got it.

646
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Listen, Garth, if you if you got an edge in

647
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:44,000
a women's game, you send it right over.

648
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,839
Speaker 2: That's what we love on this show. But I will,

649
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,960
I'll tell you what I'll go to. I'll go to

650
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,319
a small He was talking about smaller markets.

651
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: I think he was actually talking about women's basketball, but

652
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,279
we do have smaller markets in men's college basketball. Uh,

653
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,160
there's two extra board games and I played one of them.

654
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,119
It is a client play, so I will, I will

655
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920
give it out here. I did end up getting out

656
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,440
ahead yesterday, ever so slightly, thanks to the New Jersey

657
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
Institute of Technology Rob who came through for me to

658
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,319
offset offset Norfolk State, who ended up losing by thirty

659
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:21,559
And one of the things that's like, listen, this is

660
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,599
really tough to know. Norfolk State showed up with two

661
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,160
guys out they I guess the flu.

662
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,039
Speaker 2: They had the flu.

663
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: And this is like the flu is running rampant through

664
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,759
college campuses right now. I'm almost will now I have

665
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,920
no info on ut Arlington Rio Grand Valley that anyone

666
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,640
is sick, Okay, But I'm going to use this to

667
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240
make the point I really like UTRGV.

668
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,559
Speaker 2: Here I played them minus one earlier this morning.

669
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: It's up to it's up Caesar still as a one

670
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,839
and a half, but it's up to two and a

671
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:56,720
half most places. But you can just money line it.

672
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,200
It's a three percent play for me, and I'll I'll

673
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,039
talk about why I really like this Rio Grand Valley team.

674
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,119
But I'm almost willing, like these types of games mid

675
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,640
December home game, I'm almost willing to give the home

676
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,799
team like an one extra point just by default in

677
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,680
a game that's like listen, if it's a if it's

678
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,480
a big time game like the Syhawk tonight Iowa Iowa State,

679
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,319
then it's like I'm gonna use my true home court metrics.

680
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: But a game like this that's a little bit like

681
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,039
you know, one off.

682
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: The reason for this, rob is if guys are sick,

683
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200
they're not even traveling with the team these days. This

684
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,440
is like I've had four or five confirmed instances where

685
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,079
like if guys are feeling under the weather or they're sick,

686
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,480
they just stay home now, And it's because like the

687
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,640
way college basketball is, it's it's these I don't want

688
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,400
to say these games don't matter, but like even to

689
00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,119
like the mid majors, it's like you still have to

690
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,559
win your conference tournament to go to the NCAA tournament.

691
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400
So they're just not even messing around at this point.

692
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,799
Like Tarleton left six guys home the other night when

693
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,720
they went to Cincinnati. Norfolk left a couple guys home.

694
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,200
There's like three or four more. I just can't think

695
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,760
of them offhand. But so that's my concern with like

696
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,440
any team playing a road game in the middle of December,

697
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,920
is like, are guys sick and are they even traveling

698
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,079
with the team? Are guys banged up? Are they even

699
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,159
traveling with the team. We've seen more instances of this

700
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,199
than ever in my opinion, So just something to keep

701
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,840
in mind as you're handicapping these games, because you could

702
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,440
end up getting stuck and you find out five minutes

703
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,519
before the game that three starters are not available. I

704
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,840
feel like it's less likely to happen with the home team,

705
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,639
especially with the home team like UTRGV who doesn't get

706
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,000
many home games. That's the thing, like some of these

707
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:45,400
teams have really hard time scheduling Division One opponents at home,

708
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,639
and that would be Rio Grand Valley, who played this

709
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,199
crazy sort of travel schedule because no one wants to

710
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,199
go to I think Edinburgh, Texas and play them. But

711
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480
they had Austin p over the weekend, ran them out,

712
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,079
destroyed the other non board team they played in their

713
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,400
other home game. I think this is kind of a

714
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,480
nice spot for them still at home, and I think

715
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,679
they're a very underrated team in general. They bring in

716
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,559
it's a different roster from this year, but the defense

717
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,199
has been better. They have a coach that I really

718
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,239
really like who actually overachieved rob with the team last

719
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,719
year and I think he will continue to do so.

720
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:26,440
Cotton from Jacksonville State was a guy like that Jacksonville State.

721
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,960
He's been their leading scorer. So for me, it's just

722
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,480
a lot to like about a UTRGV team that I

723
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,880
think is a little underrated, and the fact that like,

724
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,079
I'll give you an extra point for playing at home

725
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,039
in mid December because I don't know who's showing up

726
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:43,880
for the visitors, so I played UTRGV. I'm gonna put

727
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,320
that in our parlay on the money line. Anything on

728
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,320
this one for you or just in general, is that

729
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:51,679
something you'd seen as well.

730
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: I will say this, when I went through this game,

731
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:58,760
and it was a brief go through, the Arlington edge

732
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:00,960
seems to be on the glass at them. It's a

733
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,199
glass eating team, and especially on the offensive boards, second

734
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,360
chance points, et cetera. And in a game that's lined

735
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,239
in the vicinity that this one is lined in generally speaking,

736
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,840
second chance points, even if it becomes an offensive rebound

737
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,360
and a file going back up or whatever, those all count.

738
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,440
And I just feel like that's probably where the edge

739
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,679
is here for that side. I didn't play play the game.

740
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,119
I see the Toadness come down by two points. Probably

741
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,159
makes sense. If you just go through the analytics real quick,

742
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,159
you'll see that neither team hangs on to the basketball

743
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,559
real well. And so again, as we pointed out the

744
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,480
other day, just because you're turning it over, it doesn't

745
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,280
mean that's two points going the other way. It could

746
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,039
be just a past thrown out of bounds, et cetera,

747
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,519
et cetera where they start the shot clock. Again, I

748
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,239
think you know, the better rebounding team would be my

749
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,159
play in that one, but we're gonna ride your suggestion

750
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,599
in that one. And while we're at it, why not

751
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,039
just here's another thought too, real quick before I give.

752
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:02,559
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if the.

753
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:09,199
Speaker 3: Two of us, because we are so often criticized even

754
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,719
though we're giving you all of our thoughts on a

755
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,880
zillion games, I wonder if we don't let the chat

756
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,119
become the third leg of this.

757
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,519
Speaker 4: Parlay one time and see if they can produce much.

758
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: But while you think about that, let me let me

759
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,119
go ahead and tell you that I'll stay on the

760
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,559
added board and just because I'm close to the Miszoo program,

761
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,000
I'll play the Miszoo team total here over ninety two

762
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,760
and a half against Alabama State. Again, I don't think

763
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:37,239
it's kind of like the Syracuse deal where although the

764
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,880
Syracuse deal is probably more so because they're on national

765
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,239
television tonight in a standalone game, so I wouldn't expect

766
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,760
they let down from Syracuse, even though the opponent might

767
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,079
suggest it. This for me, is a get right game

768
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,440
for Missouri, who's been through two tough losses.

769
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 4: They just got through the you know.

770
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,119
Speaker 3: The insane rivalry game against KU where they got beat

771
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,480
up pretty good, and they need to get the offense

772
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,920
right again. Offense that's really been excellent so far this

773
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,800
season under Dennis Gates and the Alabama State team, which

774
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,679
has shown the propensity to give up this type of

775
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,800
point production. Florida State got one oh one against Alabama State.

776
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,440
If I go down the list, Colorado got ninety four,

777
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,519
New Mexico got ninety three. Those street teams all capable,

778
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,400
IU Indy got a one hundred and one. All of

779
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,159
those are higher than the ninety two and a half

780
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,239
expected from Missouri tonight. Trying to be cute and in

781
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,519
personal betting, I could do so Missouri first half if

782
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:38,480
you're so nervous that Dennis Gates might unload eleven through

783
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:40,440
fifteen in the rotation at the end.

784
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 4: Of the game, that you don't want to go full game.

785
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,039
But I think this team's capable of maybe you.

786
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,119
Speaker 3: Know, a forty six to forty eight point first half

787
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:49,559
and then coast to the number here. So for me,

788
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,519
it's going to be Missouri's team total up and over

789
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,840
ninety two and Africans in Alabama State team adam that

790
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,960
this deep into the year has only been home once

791
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960
every single game. Is we talk talk about these travel

792
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,679
schedules that the swack teams play and how difficult they

793
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,719
make it on themselves.

794
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: This team's been everywhere so.

795
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: Far this season, and now they're going to fly to Columbia,

796
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Missouri to play this game with Maszoo. Just itchy to

797
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,280
get off of that sixty point performance and twenty point

798
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,400
lost KS So team totals have been really good to

799
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,920
me so far this season. I'm going to play this

800
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,519
one up in over ninety two and a half is

801
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:24,480
my leg in the Parland.

802
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Swack, the MIAC, those types of schools.

803
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: That's that's one thing that like I wish I put

804
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,239
a little bit more stock into yesterday Rob like Norfolk

805
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,760
State had been around the block a little bit out

806
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,599
to Laramie, like out to Arizona. That that is a

807
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,559
thing like mid you know, some of these swack schools

808
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,360
have had really like good results.

809
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,199
Speaker 2: Early in the season.

810
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: We saw but Dune Cookman with a couple of really

811
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,079
nice covers, the Auburn game, the Dayton game.

812
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: Southern took Washington to ot.

813
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: But man, by the time you get to mid decend

814
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,400
and these guys have been on the road for three weeks,

815
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:05,280
you know, traveling all over the place.

816
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: Now they're banged up.

817
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: Now they're like I I gotta I don't have the

818
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,559
historical data, but you gotta wonder how many of the

819
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,960
how many mid December games that these swack teams even

820
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,119
keep close. So I think that's a really good point.

821
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Alabama State was out in I'm just going off memory,

822
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,360
they were out in Colorado Springs for a minute, like

823
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239
just just going all over the place. So yeah, like

824
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,960
it makes it. It makes a lot of sense. And

825
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,159
the final thing I'll talk about before we move on

826
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,719
with you had mentioned the rebounding for ut rgv UTA, Like, yeah,

827
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,840
ut Arlington better get some rebounds because they can't shoot,

828
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,920
and they can't shoot all like they they are. They

829
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,599
are a they can't hit shots, I mean the three

830
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,679
hundred and fiftieth three point percentage. But that's the one

831
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,280
thing I think UTRGB really improved on from last year

832
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,760
was like the defensive end, just just being around the rim,

833
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,719
getting rebounds, you know, stopping others at the rim. Like

834
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,320
they were kind of a sieve defensively last season and

835
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,079
didn't get many rebounds, and they've improved in those regards.

836
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,639
So I'm hoping they're twenty fourth in the nation and

837
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,440
three point shooting, I'm hoping they just you know, melt

838
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,000
uta because they're finally home and they're hitting shots. But

839
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,440
I think they can hang on the glass there. So

840
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,360
I wanted to wrap that game up, and again I'll

841
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,800
wrap up. I have nothing to to really deter you

842
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,039
from the Missouri team total, and you've been great with

843
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,760
the team totals. Cash one earlier this week in the

844
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,760
parlay with Texas. Forget when the most recent one was.

845
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,639
But we got there last night with got their last night.

846
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's right. I ruined the parlay early, so

847
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,639
I don't even remember what happened.

848
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,519
Speaker 4: We got it last night.

849
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: It was the Columbia game in between on Tuesday that

850
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,480
couldn't even get there with the help of overtime. But

851
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,000
two and one this week they did good to me

852
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,760
overall client plays, et cetera. So we'll go back to

853
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,079
the well here and hope for Miszoo to crank up

854
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:54,840
the offense tonight.

855
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: I got an idea.

856
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask my boy Keith Bayu BET's landry to

857
00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:02,559
put out the parlay. The reason for that if he wasn't,

858
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:04,320
if he wasn't, if he was in front of his

859
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,639
computer right now, I would just have him on the show.

860
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,840
We'll get him on at some point. I I just

861
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,360
know this time slot doesn't work as well for him,

862
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,239
but hopefully he's still in the chat. We're gonna let

863
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,320
buy you close the parley and then and then it's

864
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,840
like you you know, I know he's up for the chat.

865
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,039
I know he'll if he doesn't hit his leg, he'll

866
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,719
he can handle losing one. So, uh what we'll put

867
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,400
by you on the spot. There he is, he says,

868
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,400
no pressure, he's he's down. Keith, I'm gonna let you

869
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,119
think about that for a second, and we're gonna go

870
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,039
to so Garth says, the play I was talking about

871
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:36,920
was college volleyball.

872
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: That is phenomenal. Marks.

873
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,039
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll be donating the five to you if

874
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,119
you just feed me the college volleyball picks.

875
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you if I can find a

876
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,000
place to get them down here.

877
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:49,679
Speaker 4: Tell us where we could get down at it.

878
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: Tell us where we can bet those, he says, Arizona

879
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,920
State money line, college volleyball, tremendous stuff. That is if listen,

880
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,599
if we could put that as a third leg of

881
00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,400
the parlay, I would do it. But I don't think

882
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,000
that I don't know that many people are gonna be

883
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,000
able to Harlow College volleyball with extra board. So but

884
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:09,079
he does want to know about app State and East Carolina.

885
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,760
So Garth appreciate the donation. As always, this was rob

886
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
I guess I didn't. I didn't disagree with the money

887
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,960
that came in here. On app State, my number was

888
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,719
a little bit lower than where this opened. But I

889
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,320
don't This app State team has burned me a couple

890
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,719
of times this year, and that in my opinion, this

891
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,360
is this is not one of Kern's better teams that

892
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,440
he's had in recent years. I think they've taken a

893
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,239
step back from where they were the last couple of

894
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,599
years in terms of like being competitive near the top

895
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:43,280
of the Sun Belt.

896
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,119
Speaker 2: So I don't really want I don't think that I would.

897
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,599
Speaker 1: I certainly wouldn't take App State now after the number

898
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,079
has moved a little bit, talk to me about this

899
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,639
one app State East Carolina Tonight a home game for

900
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:56,639
East Carolina here.

901
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've talked about so many teams on the

902
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,920
car today, Adam that can't shoot the basketball, and you

903
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,480
can throw Ecu into that mix that not only can't

904
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,159
they shoot it, but they don't defend either. Their game

905
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,719
logs so far are extremely rough to look at. App

906
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,280
State plays extremely slow. You don't expect this thing to

907
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,400
get up and down really, and ECU can't shoot, and

908
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,119
Atalicha State, for the most part, is not the greatest

909
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:31,119
shooting team in college basketball either. So two relatively poor

910
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,239
to extremely poor shooting teams playing at slow tempo. My

911
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,000
first look, of course, is to under. The total here

912
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:39,960
is so low, and I think I'm going to just

913
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:41,440
check the current number because I think I saw it

914
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:47,480
was coming down. We started one. Thirty four looks like one. Well,

915
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,440
it's all over the place, guys, you got to shot

916
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:51,280
this one thirty two and a half to thirty four

917
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,719
and a half. I'll tell you what if you can

918
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,960
still find thirty four and a half, which are abundantly

919
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:58,719
out there according to my screen at this point in time,

920
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,039
I would look under in this game. Honestly, I think

921
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,920
Appalachian State, even on the road, ECU doesn't run it

922
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,480
enough to really dictate a different style of tempo. You're

923
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,800
not going to get Appalachian State out of their game,

924
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,320
so to speak. The problem with total is that ECU

925
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:22,039
doesn't defend real well. So if you were going to look,

926
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:25,559
maybe you would look towards East Carolina's team total under

927
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,079
as the favorite here. If you can't play the dog

928
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,440
at this price, maybe you could fade the favorite in

929
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,000
a different way by playing their team total under, which

930
00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:35,760
currently sits at sixty nine.

931
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: Do you think he'st Carolina's going to.

932
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,519
Speaker 3: Get the seventy against this squad and slow paced game

933
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,440
without any shooting whatsoever.

934
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,599
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

935
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,039
Speaker 3: I didn't play it, but I tell you that's probably

936
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,639
the way I would look. Is East Carolina the home

937
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,239
side under sixty nine points in a game that figures

938
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,440
to be somewhere in these low thirties to mid thirties

939
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,360
at the highest.

940
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:03,039
Speaker 4: Up your muted sorry about that.

941
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I agree. I would have to

942
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,719
agree with the underlook. App State just doesn't have much offensively.

943
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,400
I was trying to remember who it was that they had.

944
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,559
They had a pretty good rim presence last year. I

945
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,159
believe it was CJ. Huntley, where they could like go

946
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,960
inside and get some points or clean up and get

947
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,159
some easy points, and it feels like it feels like

948
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,000
they just don't get many easy baskets this year.

949
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,119
Speaker 2: Again.

950
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: I just I was trying to find my preseason notes

951
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,320
that I wrote down on app State, which.

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Speaker 2: Was which all were very much like.

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00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,559
Speaker 1: All of my notes coming into the season was I'm

954
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,519
lower on this team than where everyone has them, sort

955
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:44,159
of in the Sun Belt. And like, I've always liked

956
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,480
Kern's as a coach, like I've always I've always given

957
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,199
him like a bump up because I think he's one

958
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,840
of the better coaches in that league. But I'm on

959
00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:55,199
the more I watch app State play, the more I

960
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
just think that they maybe don't have the talent. Like, Listen,

961
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,480
you can be a great coach. Greg Wallis is a

962
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,000
great coach for Niagara, but he's got a JV team

963
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,599
this year. There's only so much you can do, right, Like,

964
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,119
So that's kind of where I'm at on app State.

965
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,960
And uh yeah, I don't really have much of a

966
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,079
lean on the side, So I think I would would

967
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,840
lean toward your opinion there. For Garth, I think I

968
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,199
leaned toward the and he wanted the total anyway. Uh yeah,

969
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,360
I think I lean toward your underlook there seems like

970
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,199
points could be tough to come by in that game. Okay,

971
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:30,880
heading back to the chat, Well, I don't know if

972
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,559
if Bayu has his, if the pick is in yet,

973
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,440
oh he it is okay, and it's a game we

974
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,719
have not talked about yet, so he says, best bet,

975
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,000
so Bayo. This Bayou's closing out the third leg of

976
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:43,519
the parlay. But I do want to see if you

977
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,800
agree with him, because it is a total. He says,

978
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,519
Western Carolina Virginia Tech over one fifty three and a half.

979
00:47:51,199 --> 00:47:54,199
So we've got Keith Bayou bets Landry closing out the

980
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,599
parlay with Western Carolina Virginia Tech over one fifty three

981
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:58,920
and a half.

982
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,519
Speaker 2: Do you co sign that? Rob Vena?

983
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: You know, I hate the fact that we have to

984
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,639
always you know, we're in the business of not having

985
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,159
clients watch us give our plays away for free.

986
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,519
Speaker 4: But we're on it now.

987
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: We do it every day, right, we're kind of giving

988
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,840
out a client plage and every day. But I did

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00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,599
play this one over the total as a client release

990
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:25,119
earlier today small release a two percenter. But I mean,

991
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,639
I'll listen to Vayu's reasoning here, it'll probably line up

992
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,360
with mine. I got a better number, Adam, to be

993
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,360
honest with you, than what we're looking at right now.

994
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,239
But I still think this number is good. I had

995
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,320
fifty two and a half when I bet at myself

996
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,400
and then had to release it at this number.

997
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: So obviously I still think there's room.

998
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,119
Speaker 3: But let's let's let keep have center stage here real quick,

999
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,880
and then we'll add on if he's got I don't

1000
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,159
know if he's even got any analysis written there for you.

1001
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 4: He'll doesn't just continue on.

1002
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he'll have something. I'll listen. I

1003
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we appre like if you just help us run up

1004
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:03,400
this show. Likes subscribes like, I'm happy to come out

1005
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,239
and give out the client plays that I have. That's

1006
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the nice thing about doing a college basketball show, rob

1007
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:11,719
is like the volume is such that, like you know,

1008
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,559
it's I can can spare a client play here in there.

1009
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: It's not like baseball where I might have one for

1010
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:19,679
the day, So you know.

1011
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: It's we just appreciate the likes, subscribes, interaction comments, and

1012
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:28,239
by you already put his analysis in.

1013
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: What a guy I don't even know he's in here.

1014
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,840
He's already typed it out.

1015
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:36,119
Speaker 1: He said, both teams are top one hundred pace Virginia

1016
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,519
tech efficiency is so good on offense. He thinks to

1017
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,559
score is somewhere in the ninety to seventy range in

1018
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:45,920
this game. So that is that is sort of where

1019
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,599
he's at. Looks like just pace and then Virginia Tech

1020
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,000
being super efficient here that gets this one up and over.

1021
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you agree with mister Bayu bets on that.

1022
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: Well, I certainly agree with pace. That's the first thing

1023
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,480
to betting any over. You have to have the requisite

1024
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,800
number of sessions opportunities to score in any case. That

1025
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,079
think Virginia Tech in this instance, they've been through when

1026
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:08,639
I went through their games on them, They've been through

1027
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,480
some strong defensive teams George Mason, Saint Mary's and all

1028
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:17,400
kinds of defensive teams. Right they faced the Martelli Press

1029
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,320
and they're able to score Like the seventy three that

1030
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,039
they just put up at James Madison or against James

1031
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,079
Madison was kind of impressive to me because Western Carolina

1032
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:29,800
plays zero defense and they like to go tempo, which

1033
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,320
brought me to the VCU game, which landed one point

1034
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,440
fifty four better offense out of the DCU, less defense

1035
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,159
out of Western Carolina. You start factoring in these these

1036
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,239
scheduled the opposing schedules, and what they do and what

1037
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,360
they can't do. And I think you come to the

1038
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,400
conclusion here like Keith came to that Virginia Tech at

1039
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,000
this pace and the way they shoot the basketball and

1040
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,480
they don't turn it over, Like, Virginia Tech's not going

1041
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:57,199
to have dry.

1042
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 4: Possessions in this game.

1043
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,079
Speaker 3: They're going to be able to get their probably make

1044
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:01,760
their shots.

1045
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:04,039
Speaker 4: And in a game where you're.

1046
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: We have this type of margin, defense can lack a

1047
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,920
little bit. The other side can score too. But I

1048
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,519
think Virginia Tech's destined for the nineties. My biggest debate

1049
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:15,639
here was should I play the Virginia Tech team total

1050
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,559
and let the game go? But I think you'll get

1051
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:21,599
enough out of WCu here to make this work both ways.

1052
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,440
And I wouldn't argue anybody off of playing this Virginia

1053
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,559
Tech team total by itself as a standalone bet and

1054
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,800
just fade the Western Carolina defense, which it's a severe

1055
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,159
step up in class for them against this type of offense.

1056
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,760
So we'll see how it goes. And just to add

1057
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,239
on to this real quick WCu where they're concerned in

1058
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,199
conference play, I've just got an asterisk next to them

1059
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:47,320
to play their overs if in fact, the odds maker

1060
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,519
prices them in a spy. It'll probably be situational, right

1061
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,920
if there's days where the odds maker makes the number

1062
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,079
in a space where I can see playing over. They're

1063
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:57,880
one of those teams I've marked as an overteam for

1064
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,360
the season.

1065
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: Bay You says, he said, he doesn't know this is

1066
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,159
one of your client releases. He is sorry, glad however,

1067
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,800
that you guys are listen.

1068
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hey, listen, I have.

1069
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: Not had a good start to the college basketball season,

1070
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:19,079
so I'm I'm gonna be generous right now. And you know,

1071
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,360
when I do have my big run and get it

1072
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,559
all back, just remember I gave him out for free

1073
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:25,440
now and then buy him at that time because I

1074
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,039
won't be given him for free then.

1075
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: But I'll wrap up the show.

1076
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: I'll just I played Bakersfield another three percent play plus

1077
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,000
six and a half.

1078
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:37,039
Speaker 2: This is a miserable spot for North Dakota State.

1079
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: They are going out to California to play cal Bakersfield

1080
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,719
and they're gonna lay six and a half. And they

1081
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,280
have a game coming up with Drake on Saturday at Drake,

1082
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,320
which is probably a pretty big game for them. Like

1083
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,719
if you talk about like like what's going to be

1084
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,920
a big non conference game for North Dakota State. My

1085
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:02,519
guess is it would be Drake, Like you know that's

1086
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,880
probably regionally outside of like the Power Conference scenes in

1087
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,320
that region, like Drake is probably one of the bigger names.

1088
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,559
So first of all, I don't know who's schedule in

1089
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:14,480
a trip to Bakersfield two days ahead of your of

1090
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,920
your Drake trip, but like that to me just seems

1091
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,400
like a weird sort of I think they owed Bakersfield

1092
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:21,719
the game.

1093
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: I believe Bakersfield went there last year, and it's.

1094
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Like for me, I just my my number was so

1095
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,559
far off on this just to you know, I had

1096
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,400
I had Bakersfield or I'm sorry, I made North Dakota

1097
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,320
State minus one.

1098
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: I know Bakersfield has been bad to this point, but.

1099
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: I just like I couldn't get over six, getting six

1100
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,880
and a half at home, a team that's probably gonna

1101
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,000
slow it down, wants to play an ugly type game,

1102
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,559
and you've got North Dakota State coming in with Drake

1103
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:53,199
on deck, having to go all the way out to

1104
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,239
California to play this game, like they just I think

1105
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,960
Northern Arizona. I've said it on the show a couple

1106
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,880
of times I think Northern Arizona's horrific year. I think

1107
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,840
that team is so bad and North Dakota State really

1108
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,559
struggled with them. That's concerning to me. So like for me,

1109
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,199
I just couldn't pass up the six and a half.

1110
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,679
Rob I had to take the six and a half.

1111
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,280
I think this is an ugly close game, and if

1112
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,880
that's the case, I'm going to cash either way.

1113
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 2: So I played Bakersfield and.

1114
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: To ride to your point, I mean, if we're going

1115
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,400
to chuck up positives for Bakersfield, and it's not the

1116
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:27,039
easiest thing to do make positives for Bakersfield so far

1117
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:30,840
this season. But North Dakota State's a different team, Adam.

1118
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,639
I mean, I play a lot of summit once the

1119
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:34,960
conference season gets going, and last year, the one thing

1120
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,880
you could depend on is they could shoot from the

1121
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,400
outside from the perimeter, and they can't shoot the basketball whatsoever.

1122
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,440
This year, I don't care if it's inside the perimeter.

1123
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:44,760
Just while you're talking, I took a quick look to

1124
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,920
make sure my numbers here number three hundred and one

1125
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,920
in the country effective field goal percentage.

1126
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 4: Last year they had dudes like Jackson Money.

1127
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:57,079
Speaker 3: I think it was that we're shooting over forty percent

1128
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,840
from three, but there was a core to three or

1129
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,960
four of those guys. This year, nobody makes a shot.

1130
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,639
It's hard to go on the road when you don't

1131
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,639
have shot makers. Bakersfield's been another one of those teams

1132
00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:10,159
that's been around the world. I talked about it, you know,

1133
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:14,840
a couple of times this college basketball season where they

1134
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
were calling it to Rod Barnes World Tour as Bakersfield

1135
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,639
traveled everywhere. They're coming home for the first time after

1136
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,920
four road games, which is never a spot, at least

1137
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,920
in the NBA that we like to play because kids

1138
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,400
get accustomed to going back and seeing their girlfriends and whatnot.

1139
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,400
They haven't been home for a while. But still it's

1140
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,000
difficult to play a ND state team laying points. They

1141
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:36,559
can't shoot.

1142
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 4: It's that simple. On the road in a weird place

1143
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,719
and you can't shoot the basketball.

1144
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I'll point out Rob that the last couple home games

1145
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,440
were like our last couple of road games were like

1146
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,480
all around the corner, like they went up to Fresno.

1147
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,079
But then last week they played like Big West play,

1148
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:52,920
you know, pretty much in the Big West, as long

1149
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,559
as you don't have to go to Hawaii, like you

1150
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,079
really don't have a ton of travel. I think north

1151
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,400
Ridge is up probably like a little bit of a trip,

1152
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,119
but you know, I think that's a they had to

1153
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:05,039
travel north basically for that where it's northward Santa Barbara.

1154
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: But it's like that to me is like, you know,

1155
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,440
there's been that game that that Northridge game was Saturday,

1156
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,000
so they've had plenty of time to be back home.

1157
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: And really, like you talked about those two losses, like

1158
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,960
Northridge can really score.

1159
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 2: They were, They're so good. I love that they can't.

1160
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: They defense optional, rob that's gonna be their problem, but

1161
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,119
I watched all of that game last night. They can

1162
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,159
fill it up. They have scored like when they're healthy.

1163
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400
Ogaro came back. Had I known that was gonna be

1164
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,800
the case, that would have been a client play.

1165
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,159
Speaker 2: They can.

1166
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,559
Speaker 1: They're really good offensively. Santa Barbara should be so much

1167
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,480
better than they are. And they of course finally had

1168
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:42,000
a day against Bakersfield put up one hundred and nine points.

1169
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,400
North Dakota State is not going to be that so

1170
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,119
just off of like gonna be a much easier defensive

1171
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,440
task than those two teams.

1172
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:51,199
Speaker 2: Good spot for Bakersfield.

1173
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: Biggest number of discrepancy for me on the card today,

1174
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,400
I made it Bakersfield minus one and I'm sorry North

1175
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,400
Dakota State minus one.

1176
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: They're six and a half point favorites I had.

1177
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: I had to play that, all right, Not too bad, Rob,

1178
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,840
for a eight games slate without much to talk about.

1179
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,079
Yet we're still here right up against it on the hour.

1180
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,960
So we hit all eight games, so that's even. We

1181
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,320
hit every single game on the slate that you can

1182
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,320
bet today. And we threw out and Garth threw out

1183
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,920
a girls college volleyball pick. I mean, where else are

1184
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,559
you getting that? That's I think, he said, arizon A

1185
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State money line. Scroll back through the live comments for

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Garth's women's volleyball pick, which again I'm sure like that's

1187
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worth betting. I will be going to look for a

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line for that as soon as we get off the show.

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But the parlay here, the parlay here is gonna be

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ut RGV money line think I saw.

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Speaker 2: We'll call it minus one thirty. It's what I saw

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a minute ago.

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00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,119
Speaker 1: Missouri team total over ninety two and a half for

1194
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Rob Vino and then Keith Bayou Bets Landry.

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Speaker 2: Is our third is our guest for the day.

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Speaker 1: He's going with West Carolina Virginia Tech over one fifty

1197
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three and a half, which is also a robo client play.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like like a three team winner to me.

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We appreciate you, guys. We'll be back.

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Speaker 1: BP will be back. He's doing football stuff today. He'll

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be back tomorrow morning to close out the week ten am.

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See you guys then,