Speaker 1: That's no moon. It's a space station. Hey guys, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. Just a few quick reminders before
Speaker 1: we get started. Our Hawaii conference is right around the
Speaker 1: corner and there are still tickets available if you would
Speaker 1: like to join us April 20th through the 24th on
Speaker 1: the Big Island. All of that information can be found
Speaker 1: at journeytotruth.online. That link is below. By the way, Aaron,
Speaker 1: did you notice that our links are working again on YouTube? Oh,
Speaker 1: are they?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't even.
Speaker 1: They just gave us a feature back. I just noticed
Speaker 1: the other day. Wow.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: So for a minute there, for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: I guessed YouTube took away some of our advanced features
Speaker 1: and we couldn't put links under our videos, but that
Speaker 1: option has been given back to us. So that's great.
Speaker 1: So now you can click the links that we talk about, actually.
Speaker 2: Now you don't have to copy and paste the links.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, and we can't wait, guys. There are a
Speaker 1: very limited amount of tickets left for Hawaii, like 20,
Speaker 1: 25 tickets and maybe even less. But if you want
Speaker 1: to join us, I would start planning your trip now.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a blast. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: looking forward to this for a long time and it's
Speaker 1: going to be here before you know it. So April 20th,
Speaker 1: start planning your trip now, grab a ticket and we
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you there. I did also just
Speaker 1: create a Telegram link for that conference. So anybody who
Speaker 1: has purchased a ticket, email me and I will send
Speaker 1: you guys the Telegram link if you want to join
Speaker 1: the chat to try and coordinate with people and plan
Speaker 1: your trip and all that stuff. So I will also
Speaker 1: put that link on the website here. I just need
Speaker 1: to remind myself to do it. Anyway, that being said today,
Speaker 1: we are joined by Alondra Markman, somebody we've been meaning
Speaker 1: to have on the show for quite some time, and
Speaker 1: we're excited to be here with him. We ran into
Speaker 1: him at Mount in Mount Shasta a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I just, it took us this long to finally
Speaker 1: get together. And he specifically, he's been doing career teaching
Speaker 1: and co-creative meditation and helping other SRA and SSP survivors
Speaker 1: to heal. So we're going to be talking about some
Speaker 1: of that. But he has his own secret space program story,
Speaker 1: a satanic ritual abuse story. He's a survivor, but he
Speaker 1: also likes to help people and integrate the soul fragments
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So we're going to get into
Speaker 1: plenty of fun stuff today. But welcome to the show, Alondra.
Speaker 4: Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. So I understand I probably didn't do the
Speaker 1: greatest job introducing you. So if you would like to
Speaker 1: let our audience know a little bit more about who
Speaker 1: you are and how you found your way into doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing today, and then we can go from there.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hi, I'm Alondra. I'm a meditation teacher and I do
Speaker 4: coaching work with people for spiritual development. And I also
Speaker 4: help survivors of trauma-based mind control to heal. That's my
Speaker 4: preferred term. It's a big category. includes satanic ritual abuse,
Speaker 4: secret space program stuff, targeted individual stuff. I went through
Speaker 4: all of those categories growing up, and I found my
Speaker 4: path to freedom. So now that's part of, you know,
Speaker 4: part of my continuing learning is to teach others. So
Speaker 4: that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Right. So, and we don't have to get into the heavy,
Speaker 1: the dark stuff, obviously, but So your story begins at
Speaker 1: what age? What did you realize? Or looking back on
Speaker 1: it now, when did you realize this was all starting
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 4: There are two main timelines that I'm on. The initial person,
Speaker 4: his name is Max, was born in 1970. And then
Speaker 4: the person whose body this is, who we're calling Alondra,
Speaker 4: I was born as Alan, was born in 1986. So
Speaker 4: I'm working with those two main reference points for timing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to pause you really quick because I
Speaker 1: find that aspect very interesting, and I think there's something
Speaker 1: similar going on with myself. So explain to me, like
Speaker 1: I'm a five-year-old, what you mean by that. How can
Speaker 1: you be born two different places, two different years? And
Speaker 1: I understand that it's real, but I'm also still trying
Speaker 1: to understand it. So I would appreciate this explanation.
Speaker 4: Yes. Well, the simple way to say it is I'm
Speaker 4: two people in one body. So some people would consider
Speaker 4: that 1970 birth a past life. For me, that's not
Speaker 4: what it is. Past lives are normal. Everybody reincarnates. So
Speaker 4: this I just consider normal. Nothing really outstanding about that
Speaker 4: in and of itself. I mean, I do remember the
Speaker 4: past lives, so I guess that part is special. But
Speaker 4: what happened here is we didn't go through the natural
Speaker 4: reincarnation process. We were just moved directly from that body
Speaker 4: into this body by artificial means, consciousness transfer. I don't
Speaker 4: know if that was like five-year-old.
Speaker 1: No, but that helps. Yeah, that absolutely helps. Yeah, continue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so our original body is passed away. And now
Speaker 4: in this body, we have these two people plus some
Speaker 4: other beings that are functioning together as one. So we're
Speaker 4: an interbeing. We combine a couple of different human perspectives
Speaker 4: and a couple of ET perspectives.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. And then so then, essentially, then you were
Speaker 1: just born into whatever program this is or was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, in that body, I was abducted as a young
Speaker 4: child when I was four years old. In this body,
Speaker 4: it was from birth. This body is from a satanic
Speaker 4: bloodline family. So the abuse happened from birth in this body.
Speaker 1: So your family lineage, I guess, has been involved. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's an ancestral thing. And this is, I guess, to
Speaker 1: just clarify so it's not confusing, your memories from this lifetime,
Speaker 1: are they real-time memories? Are they also like abduction memories
Speaker 1: from another branch?
Speaker 4: Well, both, because I was also age-regressed, so that gets
Speaker 4: into a lot of different complexity. This body has also
Speaker 4: been on over a dozen different timelines. So those are
Speaker 4: simultaneous memories where it's the same dates, but different events,
Speaker 4: different circumstances. So that's also true.
Speaker 1: So we're getting into quantum mechanics, the many worlds theory,
Speaker 1: like we have infinite, many versions of ourself living simultaneously.
Speaker 2: Parallel realities, parallel timelines.
Speaker 1: Exactly, parallel realities, timelines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the organic version of that, which we all
Speaker 4: have some glimpse into, and then there's the artificial version
Speaker 4: of it. which is much more dense and much more
Speaker 4: reliant on different forms of technology. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what was the big turning point for you in
Speaker 1: your adulthood when you realized, Oh my gosh, I'm involved
Speaker 1: with this. This has happened to me. Cause I, I
Speaker 1: don't imagine that you always had that knowing or did you?
Speaker 4: Well, a part of me always did, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: very conscious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: My memories really started coming back around 2009. That was
Speaker 4: kind of my watershed moment. Um, So in this body,
Speaker 4: I was in my late 20s. And really, well, first
Speaker 4: came some of the more traumatic sexual assault experiences. That
Speaker 4: was some of the first stuff to come up. And
Speaker 4: I started realizing there was more going on than I
Speaker 4: had been aware of. My narrative at that point was
Speaker 4: just that I came from an emotionally and physically abusive
Speaker 4: home with a very mentally ill mother. And that part's
Speaker 4: also true. Like that's the part that I was always
Speaker 4: aware of. But all this other stuff I started to
Speaker 4: become aware of around then. I had very intrusive memories.
Speaker 4: It was when I started meditating seriously. Well, that was 2007.
Speaker 4: So that kind of late 2000s period is when I
Speaker 4: was getting big chunks of memory back, getting flooded with
Speaker 4: like really intense, painful body sensations. So that's when the
Speaker 4: ball really started rolling. And I gradually started putting the
Speaker 4: pieces together. But it took me a while. It took
Speaker 4: me roughly from that period, like 2007, 2008, up until 2013-ish.
Speaker 4: So a good four years, five years, where I was
Speaker 4: very confused about what had happened to me. I was
Speaker 4: getting pieces coming back. The way I approached it basically
Speaker 4: was to go in outward order from more believable in
Speaker 4: a consensus reality way to less believable. So I just,
Speaker 4: I started with the sexual stuff. Oh, I came from
Speaker 4: a family with incest. You know, that was like the
Speaker 4: first big chunk. And then I started accepting that, moving
Speaker 4: through my shock about that. And then, you know, moving outwards,
Speaker 4: out of consensus reality. Oh, I was also, I was
Speaker 4: commercially sexually trafficked. You know, that's still consensus reality, but
Speaker 4: it's kind of on the edge. You know, it's like...
Speaker 4: People have a hard time just accepting that that happens.
Speaker 2: Right, right.
Speaker 4: Including myself. Like, I was having trouble believing myself. So,
Speaker 4: you know, this is why I was doing it this way.
Speaker 4: And then from there, I went to my first real
Speaker 4: trauma therapy in 2013. And then the floodgates really opened.
Speaker 4: And I was able to speak about more detailed things
Speaker 4: that were farther outside of consensus reality. Okay, it wasn't
Speaker 4: just sexual trafficking. These were satanic rituals. Okay, it wasn't
Speaker 4: just satanic rituals. This was an organized military operation with E.T.
Speaker 4: beings and lots of moving parts outside of Earth. So
Speaker 4: that's kind of how I did it. It's a good
Speaker 4: way to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Start with the more believable, so to speak, things, and
Speaker 2: then you go and then you realize, oh, this stuff isn't,
Speaker 2: Not only real, but it happened to me, and that's
Speaker 2: a lot to process, I can imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the biggest challenges for survivors of
Speaker 4: these things, like learning to believe ourselves, learning to trust ourselves.
Speaker 4: It takes time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still, you know, we just kind of
Speaker 1: premiered our documentary the other night in Sedona, and it
Speaker 1: talks about similar themes, and we did a Q &
Speaker 1: A at the end, and somebody asked, like, how... how
Speaker 1: do you expect people out there, the masses, to even
Speaker 1: buy this type of time travel, 20 and back stuff? Like,
Speaker 1: we understand, we've been at this for years, that this
Speaker 1: is actually very fundamentally true, and, you know, time travel's
Speaker 1: the name of the game, and there's technologies involved, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Speaker 1: that we're not supposed to know about. But how does,
Speaker 1: to get the normal person to bite onto that, right,
Speaker 1: and then take it seriously, I think that's where most
Speaker 1: people need to find information they need to walk that
Speaker 1: tightrope because you don't want to scare people off with
Speaker 1: this stuff. If you want them to take it seriously,
Speaker 1: you almost like you had to do that even with
Speaker 1: yourself is what I'm trying to say. So I can
Speaker 1: imagine we can, we have to keep this in mind
Speaker 1: if we're trying to tell other people about it, you know?
Speaker 1: So to wrap your head around these insane technologies and
Speaker 1: you know, what we're capable of, it's a, it's a
Speaker 1: very healthy approach. So then you started realizing that you
Speaker 1: were involved in these programs and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At what point did you say, okay, I need to
Speaker 1: do something about this. Am I still involved? Like, what
Speaker 1: did that look like?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, by the time I had my memories coming back,
Speaker 4: most of the hard work to get free was already done, thankfully.
Speaker 4: So I, some people have to deal with targeting while
Speaker 4: they're still getting their memories back. For me, that was
Speaker 4: pretty much separate. Like I was pretty much free by
Speaker 4: the time the memories were coming back and the battle
Speaker 4: for my freedom had happened. before I even got any
Speaker 4: of the memories back. So I was kind of lucky
Speaker 4: in that way because it's very, very hard to navigate
Speaker 4: the past stuff when you're still dealing with present targeting.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but for me, that's how it happened.
Speaker 1: So can you give us an example of, let's just say,
Speaker 1: an off-world memory, something that kind of struck you?
Speaker 4: Sure. I spent a lot of time on Mars and
Speaker 4: I worked as a weapons engineer for a long time.
Speaker 4: I was designing targeting scanners on plasma rifles. And that
Speaker 4: was basically a whole lifetime. I had a whole career there.
Speaker 4: It was almost a 40-year career. It was a pretty
Speaker 4: long lifetime there. And that's what I did. And it
Speaker 4: was extremely boring from my present perspective. But when I
Speaker 4: look across my different timeline experiences, that's one of the
Speaker 4: more stable ones because I was just doing the same
Speaker 4: exact thing. It was very tedious work. Um, and it
Speaker 4: was less traumatic than some of the other ones. So
Speaker 4: that's an easier one to talk about. Um, there were
Speaker 4: others where I was more on the front lines of
Speaker 4: the war on Mars, you know, when that was still
Speaker 4: going on. Um, and those are much more intense, you know, I'd,
Speaker 4: I'd get blown to pieces and then thrown in a
Speaker 4: regen tank and thrown back out into the field and, um,
Speaker 4: just really miserable experience. And of course, the memories are
Speaker 4: much more fragmented.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So what is your opinion as far as life on
Speaker 1: Mars existing? Like Pete Cary Cassidy had a whistleblower one
Speaker 1: time that said, the people that get their memories back
Speaker 1: from Mars are remembering life from a different dimension. Meaning
Speaker 1: that if we went there in a spaceship, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: see the things and find the things that people are remembering.
Speaker 1: Do you think this happened on a higher plane? a
Speaker 1: parallel timeline? Like, do you think we would go there
Speaker 1: physically and find what you remember?
Speaker 4: Yes, you would definitely physically find it. It's 3D in
Speaker 4: this reality.
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: But do you agree with the other aspect of that too, that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's our.
Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
Speaker 4: There's always more to the story. You know, these human
Speaker 4: lives that we live are just incredibly multidimensional phenomena by
Speaker 4: their nature. You know, whether you go through these regression experiences,
Speaker 4: or if you're just having a quote unquote normal life,
Speaker 4: our life by its nature operates across all these dimensions.
Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of content that a lot
Speaker 4: of us remember and experience across many different modes of
Speaker 4: perception and dimensions. So yeah, in a general sense. Right.
Speaker 1: Now, whenever you say, okay, so did you experience targeting
Speaker 1: as an adult as you were remembering this stuff? I
Speaker 1: know you talked about it. A little bit.
Speaker 4: It was more subtle. I had basically gotten free by
Speaker 4: around 2003. So after that, I was never actually in
Speaker 4: the cult again. I was never in the military programs again.
Speaker 4: What would happen instead is I would have people come
Speaker 4: into my life who were trying to trigger me or
Speaker 4: trying to block memories. I would especially love interests. I
Speaker 4: would have love interests that showed up that would be
Speaker 4: functioning as handlers and trying to just slow down my
Speaker 4: whole process of remembering and speaking out and becoming a
Speaker 4: teacher and all this stuff. So there were definitely some
Speaker 4: targeting instances after I got free, but they were more
Speaker 4: subtle and they relied more on my free will participation.
Speaker 4: Once you're free of the immediate manipulation, They need some
Speaker 4: degree of you saying yes in order to get into
Speaker 4: your field if you're a sovereign adult person. As a child,
Speaker 4: it's very different. You don't have that power over yourself
Speaker 4: and you don't have that kind of insight into your
Speaker 4: mind just because you're not physically mature. But as an adult,
Speaker 4: free of the programs, there were infringements on my sovereignty,
Speaker 4: but they were still basically coming from my free will expression.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about that a little deeper. I
Speaker 1: agree that it all has to be done with your
Speaker 1: consent on some level, even though they might have a
Speaker 1: sick twisted perspective on how that actually looks. But we
Speaker 1: are tricked into consent in many situations and there is
Speaker 1: deception involved. So like, how do you, how do you
Speaker 1: cope with that? Like understanding that, yeah, I agreed, but
Speaker 1: I was tricked into it, you know, and that's something
Speaker 1: that a lot of people struggle with because I, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not fair, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incredibly unfair. It's so unfair. And the higher
Speaker 4: self does make some agreements that are radically unfair to
Speaker 4: the human person, just radically. And that was definitely the
Speaker 4: case for me. I mean, this was not my idea
Speaker 4: of initiation. You know, I'd rather go through some consensual
Speaker 4: shamanic experience. Like, I didn't want to have all this trauma,
Speaker 4: but that was my higher self's idea of initiation, so
Speaker 4: that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that we find ourselves in these
Speaker 1: situations and you wonder why and how, and then you
Speaker 1: have to go back to the root cause and actually...
Speaker 1: At first, we want to point the fingers at all
Speaker 1: these agencies and corporations, but then we consented, but then
Speaker 1: were we tricked into it? It's a very fine line there.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's black and white and Maybe
Speaker 1: we chose it on a higher level. Maybe we just
Speaker 1: chose the overall experience, but the details or the specifics
Speaker 1: were going to evolve as that came into our lives.
Speaker 1: So I think there's any number of situations that can happen.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything to add to that?
Speaker 4: I'll say that some body minds are more fought over
Speaker 4: than others. So this particular body that I'm in comes
Speaker 4: from a reptilian bloodline family. And so in order to
Speaker 4: incarnate into this body, I had to run the gauntlet
Speaker 4: of all these things, even before I came into this incarnation.
Speaker 4: This was a heavily guarded, heavily fought over incarnation. And
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of competition to get into these
Speaker 4: kinds of bodies. There are a lot of souls that
Speaker 4: are knocking at those gates. And a lot of them
Speaker 4: don't realize the full implications of what they're getting into.
Speaker 4: When you look at it from the soul level, You think, oh, sure,
Speaker 4: I can deal with that. And then you get into it.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, fuck, this is a living hell. So
Speaker 4: there's that piece. I just want to say this body
Speaker 4: that I'm in is, as far as some of the
Speaker 4: Draco are concerned, it's very valuable real estate. Not every
Speaker 4: human body is so fought over as this one.
Speaker 1: Aaron, were you going to say something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, to dovetail onto this, I know I've heard many
Speaker 2: people either near death experiencers or people that remember their,
Speaker 2: their life between lives when they were at the soul
Speaker 2: level or the higher self level where they're, um, even
Speaker 2: choosing their current incarnation. And, um, they're, they're like, wow,
Speaker 2: I actually signed up for all this horrible stuff. Why
Speaker 2: would I do that? But they, they remember being in
Speaker 2: that perspective where you have such a greater perspective and
Speaker 2: to them, this life is like that. It's like so
Speaker 2: quick and it's like nothing. And they see the, and
Speaker 2: you see the value of your experiences from that perspective.
Speaker 2: Whereas once you get in here, you kind of have
Speaker 2: this amnesia and you're just in it and it's a
Speaker 2: whole different experience. Like you said, why would, why is
Speaker 2: this happening? Why would I choose this? This is insane.
Speaker 2: Until you get back there and you're like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that was so valuable. Now I get it again, you know?
Speaker 2: So it's just from this small 30 perspective, things are
Speaker 2: hard to kind of grasp.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also, my soul family is very large. This is
Speaker 4: true for a lot of people who choose these difficult experiences.
Speaker 4: You know, the Draco beings, the Zeta Reticulin beings, the
Speaker 4: Orion beings, the ones that are perpetrating these things, those
Speaker 4: are also my soul family. So we had our own
Speaker 4: communion and our own agreements before I took this incarnation.
Speaker 4: It's like, okay, we're all family in an extended sense,
Speaker 4: even though in this body I would never trust them. Right, right.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So, Aaron, really quick, check your microphone and see if
Speaker 1: it's on the right setting. We can still hear you,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's still....
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It's not, it's not picking it up for
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry. Sorry about the interruption there. So, okay. You,
Speaker 1: you say this goes far, goes beyond trauma-based mind control
Speaker 1: and that there's ETs involved, even like your ETs embodying
Speaker 1: you and other soul fragments and stuff. What do you
Speaker 1: mean when you say it goes beyond that?
Speaker 4: It means that this is just a small part of
Speaker 4: a very long journey. Um, kind of what Aaron was
Speaker 4: getting at. Um, these events of our lives are put
Speaker 4: into motion so long ago, the entire string of our,
Speaker 4: all of our human incarnations, like there's not just counsel
Speaker 4: between lives, there's counsel before all the lives. Um, and
Speaker 4: I have my soul contracts with Gaia herself to serve
Speaker 4: her in many, many different forms. And this has been
Speaker 4: my journey with Gaia across countless millennia and countless bodies,
Speaker 4: human and non-human bodies. Like I have just a standing commitment,
Speaker 4: my own conscious relationship with Gaia. She's the one I'm
Speaker 4: serving first and foremost. And so basically, whatever sort of
Speaker 4: experience will allow me to serve her best is the
Speaker 4: one that I choose for myself in the extended sense.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And I like that you brought that up because remembering
Speaker 1: that we're here to either serve Gaia or work with her,
Speaker 1: you know, live in harmony with the planet bring it
Speaker 1: back online whatever that is like we that's the most
Speaker 1: important thing to remember because like you said it can
Speaker 1: feel like a living hell if once you go through
Speaker 1: this stuff and you're down here and like why like
Speaker 1: we're just bombarded every day so to like i think
Speaker 1: to to have that fundamental fundamental understanding of what you're
Speaker 1: actually doing here and it might be to blow the
Speaker 1: whistle remember being part of these programs and blow the
Speaker 1: whistle and help expose that but there's even a higher
Speaker 1: mission is what you're saying Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would like to mention, in addition to serving Gaia,
Speaker 4: I have a very close relationship with the Ontarians. They're
Speaker 4: a positive eighth density alien race from the Scorpio constellation.
Speaker 4: So I've called my business Ontarian Journeys. They're very, very
Speaker 4: close to my heart. I have a future incarnation in
Speaker 4: the Ontarius system. And that magic, that Ontarian magic, has
Speaker 4: been part of every incarnation that I've had on Earth,
Speaker 4: not just the recent ones. So there are some Threads
Speaker 4: from deeper time that are flowing through here. And the
Speaker 4: Ontarians are the ones who helped me survive these experiences,
Speaker 4: helped me survive Montauk, helped me survive Mars. You know,
Speaker 4: they were always there with me.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is really interesting. This is a group
Speaker 1: that I don't hear a lot of people talk about.
Speaker 1: I've heard them brought up before. Now, whenever you say
Speaker 1: they're helping and are they coming in the form of
Speaker 1: a spirit guide? Are there actual Antarians like in a
Speaker 1: base here on Earth physically? What do you know about that?
Speaker 4: Primarily as spirit guides, sometimes also in physical matter. It
Speaker 4: takes them a tremendous amount of energy to become physical,
Speaker 4: so they don't often do it, but they do on occasion.
Speaker 4: And they have done that to save my life on
Speaker 4: a few occasions. So that's a big part of why
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you is because they made themselves 3D
Speaker 4: for long enough to help me with something, you know,
Speaker 4: to help get me through something. We don't hear about
Speaker 4: them that much because not a lot of humans are
Speaker 4: incarnated from that source. The Ontarians are a true neutral party.
Speaker 4: They're not part of the Galactic Federation, although they do
Speaker 4: support all those other groups, the ones that we hear
Speaker 4: about more, Pleiadians and Syrians and Arcturians. Much love to
Speaker 4: all of those groups. The Ontarians are more of an
Speaker 4: independent group. civilization. They don't serve good or evil. They're
Speaker 4: completely beyond those kinds of distinctions. The Federation groups are
Speaker 4: serving good, and the Orions and the Draco are mostly
Speaker 4: serving evil, and there's that whole drama, which I do
Speaker 4: appreciate and obviously I have been part of. But the
Speaker 4: Ontarians basically don't touch any of that karma drama stuff.
Speaker 4: They're on a higher level, and every being needs them
Speaker 4: in order to incarnate on planet Earth. They have a
Speaker 4: very intimate relationship with the birth cycle. Antares is kind
Speaker 4: of the birth canal. It's like how souls move into
Speaker 4: the Earth plane. So everybody needs that, like the good,
Speaker 4: the evil, the indifferent. They all have to use the
Speaker 4: birth canal of Antares. And so it's a neutral space.
Speaker 4: It's a space which all parties, regardless of orientation, understand
Speaker 4: to be so fundamental to life that it basically can't
Speaker 4: be tampered with.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that's beautiful. And I don't know that I've
Speaker 1: ever actually heard that before. And it would make sense
Speaker 1: that certain groups are assigned specific roles in the human experience.
Speaker 1: And when you say that on a few occasions they've
Speaker 1: incarnated or manifested physically, what did they look like? Did
Speaker 1: they come in the form of a human or did
Speaker 1: they have a very specific look or what? Yeah.
Speaker 4: There are a couple main groups. One group is dog-headed,
Speaker 4: so they're humanoids with dog heads, kind of like Anubis,
Speaker 4: the Egyptian god Anubis, which was part of, I was
Speaker 4: also part of Project Ibis, and Anubis was my avatar,
Speaker 4: so they had some insight into who I was at
Speaker 4: a soul level to use me in that way. So
Speaker 4: basically these jackal beings, these Anubis-type creatures, Jackal is still
Speaker 4: my heart animal, my spirit animal. And there's a very
Speaker 4: strong connection there. There's, you know, the energy pattern of
Speaker 4: the jackal is very reminiscent of the Ontarian heart. So
Speaker 4: that's one thread. Other times they'll show up as insectoids,
Speaker 4: commonly mantids. Sometimes ants or things in between, kind of
Speaker 4: an ant-mantis hybrid. And very, very benevolent, very intelligent. A
Speaker 4: little bit similar to the ants on Mars that, you know,
Speaker 4: other survivors have talked about and that I've seen. But
Speaker 4: they've had millions, billions more years of evolution. So they're
Speaker 4: in a very different place. But physically, usually they'll come
Speaker 4: in either this kind of dog-headed form or this insectoid form.
Speaker 4: Or just as orbs, which is just the generic way
Speaker 4: that we see higher beings a lot of the time,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: So what determines which form they choose? I'm very curious
Speaker 1: about this because that can be confusing. You're talking about
Speaker 1: this Anubis type of dog being an insectoids, but they're
Speaker 1: being the same race.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the same basic frequency. Well, this gets really meta.
Speaker 1: It kind of started off that way. Let me get that.
Speaker 2: We go everywhere on this show.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that so much. Well, every star has its
Speaker 4: harmonics for the forms of life that it can support.
Speaker 4: Our sun's soul is incredibly diverse. He supports all sorts
Speaker 4: of crazy life forms. We have star-seated life forms from
Speaker 4: just about everywhere in many, many universes showing up in
Speaker 4: our solar system, showing up on Earth. Most star systems
Speaker 4: are a little less diverse in the forms that will
Speaker 4: show up there. So Antares is a binary star system.
Speaker 4: There's Antares A and B. A is a big red
Speaker 4: star and B is a small blue star. Part of
Speaker 4: it depends on how they're relating to the frequency of
Speaker 4: the star that they come from. So most of my
Speaker 4: people are from Antares B. And so they'll primarily use
Speaker 4: the dog-headed forms. Well, that was a great lead up,
Speaker 4: but I don't know if I actually understand the specific
Speaker 4: like reasons for the choice in the moment. I just
Speaker 4: know that's how they've showed up and they've told me
Speaker 4: that it has to do with the harmonics of the star.
Speaker 2: So, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I mean, I love the, I love
Speaker 1: where you're coming at this from because it's such a
Speaker 1: deeper perspective.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And yet like understanding the frequencies involved in that, like
Speaker 1: basically anything's possible. They don't, it's not, it's not finite.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, I guess the other, I guess the last
Speaker 4: part of that was if they're coming from Antares a,
Speaker 4: from the larger star, they're more likely to show up
Speaker 4: as mantids. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting. So then that, that begs the question when somebody
Speaker 1: encounters a dog being or a mantid, it doesn't specifically
Speaker 1: mean that they're from a, you know, a or B place, right.
Speaker 4: It could be not necessarily well, like humans, you know,
Speaker 4: we can be from anywhere. The human civilization is all
Speaker 4: across the universe. There are many, many people that look
Speaker 4: like us just because they look like us doesn't mean
Speaker 4: they're from Earth, you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the Stargate sg1 series depicts that
Speaker 1: beautifully in fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah that night sky show that amanda and i
Speaker 2: just watched a few months ago too um this guy
Speaker 2: comes through basically what's like a jump gate and he's
Speaker 2: a human but he's from some planet many many light
Speaker 2: years away and um and he speaks english but like
Speaker 2: the language they're They're taught Latin on his planet, which
Speaker 2: I think it's like pure disclosure. So much like we
Speaker 2: see in sci-fi is like straight up just pure disclosure. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, I could also say on the physical level, I'm
Speaker 4: hybridized with Alpha Centauri humans. So there are some slight
Speaker 4: differences that make me a little unusual on Earth, but
Speaker 4: I'd be very average by Alpha Centaurian standards. So there's
Speaker 4: that connection also.
Speaker 1: So Antarian and Centaurian.
Speaker 3: Ontarian and Alpha Centaurian yeah well I just thought I've
Speaker 3: always heard that Alpha Centaurians referred to as the Centaurians
Speaker 3: so yeah yeah interesting and but.
Speaker 2: Real quick the human form like our form in and
Speaker 2: of itself didn't start on this planet so we are
Speaker 2: you could say ETs this is true we came here
Speaker 2: along you know from all over the place and some
Speaker 2: people say Lyra was really kind of the birthplace of
Speaker 2: the modern human yeah.
Speaker 1: And one of the things in Stargate that I find
Speaker 1: interesting too is, so they'll go discover a new planet
Speaker 1: and there'll be a humans, humans on that planet that
Speaker 1: actually they've learned originated on earth from like the Hebrides
Speaker 1: Islanders islands or something. And they have like this name,
Speaker 1: but they don't even know that that's where they're from.
Speaker 1: And it's, To me, that's such a random, weird, unique
Speaker 1: detail to include in a show unless that's actually the truth, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're encountering people who have actually originated on Earth
Speaker 1: some time ago and now have forgotten who they are.
Speaker 1: And they're on this other planet. They have no awareness
Speaker 1: that their origins are tied to Earth. So there's so
Speaker 1: many situations like that. That's one example. I don't think
Speaker 1: we can fathom the complexity of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 4: And that's why we're here, to try to fathom it.
Speaker 1: Right. So you're talking about, you know, you like to
Speaker 1: help people heal. You say healing age regressions and distortions.
Speaker 1: When you say healing age regressions, what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Well, I work with a lot of people who are
Speaker 4: up there in the secret space program somewhere having a
Speaker 4: parallel life experience or having a parallel timeline experience. It's
Speaker 4: a very... Sadly, very common thing that a lot of
Speaker 4: people deal with, mostly unconsciously. The vast majority of super
Speaker 4: soldiers are dealing with this on an unconscious level. But
Speaker 4: for those who are working through it consciously and want
Speaker 4: to ground and have some insight and disconnect from all
Speaker 4: those kind of false realities, collapse those timelines, that's something
Speaker 4: I help people with.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the age regressions, I guess... I'm specifically wondering
Speaker 1: what you mean by healing from the age regression.
Speaker 4: Well, there are some distortions of the physical and the
Speaker 4: emotional and mental bodies that happen when someone's been age regressed.
Speaker 4: In terms of concrete outward symbols, a lot of us
Speaker 4: have autoimmune disorders. This is a very, very common thing
Speaker 4: in the SSP community because the time regression technology tends
Speaker 4: to create those things. The body has its ways of
Speaker 4: aligning to the present time continuum. And when you drag
Speaker 4: people outside of that continuum, all sorts of untoward physical, emotional,
Speaker 4: mental things happen. So I guess I'm speaking to some
Speaker 4: of those, particularly emotional distortions. Those are some of the
Speaker 4: ones that I feel particularly skilled in clearing. Because of
Speaker 4: the Ontarian connection, basically the Ontarians as I was saying,
Speaker 4: are serving as sort of the mother archetype for this
Speaker 4: entire system. So I have a lot of that nurturing
Speaker 4: mother energy, and that comes through. The great mother can
Speaker 4: pretty much heal anything on any level of experience. So
Speaker 4: that's the primary medicine that moves through me. And it
Speaker 4: works for all kinds of things. It doesn't have to
Speaker 4: be secret space program people. But it's especially relevant when
Speaker 4: you're so dissociated and like, You know, all these things
Speaker 4: just don't work to heal because, you know, the connections
Speaker 4: to the other timelines are not being understood very well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so ultimately you're helping people recover from DID, dissociative disorder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the more local level of consciousness, yes, DID
Speaker 4: is a big one. The things I've been talking about
Speaker 4: so far are well beyond DID, but yes, also... Even
Speaker 4: if someone just has ritual abuse and one timeline of
Speaker 4: experience and has DID, that's also something that I help
Speaker 4: people with sometimes. It's really hard to get help with
Speaker 4: DID because the professional associations that deal with it are
Speaker 4: so infiltrated by the satanic perpetrators. I mean, there are
Speaker 4: some good DID resources out there, but they're so careful
Speaker 4: to never talk about ritual abuse. It's very, very frustrating.
Speaker 4: But yeah, most of the time there's a very direct
Speaker 4: connection between someone having survived trauma-based mind control and someone
Speaker 4: having DID. I've touched on this in some of my
Speaker 4: other interviews a little bit, and I'm happy to go
Speaker 4: more into that if it feels alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just more or less, I think you answered it.
Speaker 1: fairly enough. But I want to also touch on something
Speaker 1: you just said, people having, I guess, physical ailments that
Speaker 1: are directly related to the programs or a result of
Speaker 1: an age regression, which I think we know what just
Speaker 1: happened with James Rink. And that's very sad. But I
Speaker 1: think that's a perfect example of somebody who has gone
Speaker 1: through that and the physical ailments, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: byproduct of his time in the programs. And you know,
Speaker 1: we don't consider that enough because we're over here trying
Speaker 1: to heal ourselves, right? And not understanding the root cause.
Speaker 1: So we're having no luck. And in many cases, people
Speaker 1: don't understand why they can't overcome something, but that's because
Speaker 1: they've literally been disconnected from the root cause of that,
Speaker 1: which might've happened on another timeline, or it might be
Speaker 1: a result from an age regression technology. Something we don't
Speaker 1: consider And it makes so much sense. It makes so
Speaker 1: much sense.
Speaker 2: Or even the super soldier aspects, I would imagine that
Speaker 2: would take a massive toll maybe as well.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, they juice you up really, really badly when
Speaker 4: you're in those programs. I mean, you're on so many
Speaker 4: like steroids and stimulants and like all kinds of intoxicants.
Speaker 4: And then like people present with these things in their
Speaker 4: bodies and they're like, well, I've never used steroids in
Speaker 4: this lifetime, but obviously there's some bleed through from these
Speaker 4: other experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And I think that's also a great point.
Speaker 1: Like you have things in your body, like many abductees
Speaker 1: will have radiation poisoning, but they've never been exposed to radiation.
Speaker 2: And they're like, this makes no sense.
Speaker 1: So that's just like, I guess, an easier way to
Speaker 1: understand it. Because that's something that's very, I guess, it's
Speaker 1: been tracked. I mean, it's been documented, I guess you
Speaker 1: could say. Many people have had, including myself, I've woken
Speaker 1: up with basically radiation sickness.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: I've died from radiation burns many times, unfortunately. And I've
Speaker 4: been put in the regen tank if they have enough
Speaker 4: of your brainstem left they can put you in the
Speaker 4: regen tank i've also just been regressed out of some
Speaker 4: of those death experiences and starting all over again as
Speaker 4: a toddler so um yeah unfortunately i know how that
Speaker 4: feels um i used i used to have recurring dreams
Speaker 4: of dying of radiation poisoning like over and over again
Speaker 4: and it took me a very long time to understand
Speaker 4: like oh that's like part of my literal life and
Speaker 4: i want to integrate that yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So at the beginning you said there's two versions of you,
Speaker 1: one born in 1970 and the other one in 86.
Speaker 1: But that would technically mean that your actual first or
Speaker 1: this incarnation on Earth, when we're talking now, technically happened
Speaker 1: in 1970. And then it just got sucked right back
Speaker 1: into 86. So that would make you 15 years, 16
Speaker 1: years older than you actually are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's basically true. Although this is not the original body.
Speaker 4: This is the second body. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so I'm saying like, I think that happens more
Speaker 1: than we realize because like, you feel like an old
Speaker 1: soul in a young body.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I'm only, I'm only saying this because this is
Speaker 1: what has been brought up to my attention in a
Speaker 1: session that I had one time that I was, I
Speaker 1: incarnated my first incarnation on earth occurred in Venice, Florida.
Speaker 1: And I, 1966. And then I was, whatever, taken into
Speaker 1: this program for 20 years. And at the end of
Speaker 1: that 20 years, instead of coming back, I went into
Speaker 1: another body, which was my mother gave birth to. And
Speaker 1: it's like really confusing, but in a way it made
Speaker 1: so much sense to me because I've always felt like
Speaker 1: literally like 20 years older. All my friends are older
Speaker 1: than I am.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 1: They always have been, you know, you just kind of,
Speaker 1: you have this wisdom that people your age don't typically have. And,
Speaker 1: and so I think it just having discussions about things
Speaker 1: like that being possible might help somebody who's listening to
Speaker 1: this understand, and maybe they won't feel so crazy for
Speaker 1: being a specific way, you know?
Speaker 4: Definitely. Yeah, I do feel mentally more like my original age,
Speaker 4: which would be about 56. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And then how does your body feel? Does your body
Speaker 1: feel like 56? Because that's what I deal with.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm so grateful for this body. It's been so
Speaker 4: forgiving of so many horrible things. And my guides have
Speaker 4: intervened on many levels with this body. So basically... My
Speaker 4: guides have told me that I would be in terrible
Speaker 4: shape if it wasn't for their ongoing support. So I
Speaker 4: do rely on their support. They've worked miracles with this body,
Speaker 4: and I'm very grateful for that. So most days it
Speaker 4: does feel like the birth certificate age, which is 38, 39,
Speaker 4: something like that right now. I mostly feel like that.
Speaker 4: Of course, part of the journey of maturity is that
Speaker 4: you're always... getting into your full power and your life
Speaker 4: force increases as you age. You know, if you're aging
Speaker 4: with consciousness, your life force increases and it's possible that
Speaker 4: the body can hold a lot more life force as
Speaker 4: you age. So it's kind of the opposite of the
Speaker 4: usual aging paradigm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You have a lot more control over that once you
Speaker 1: have that awareness. And like you mentioned when you sent
Speaker 1: me consciousness blending. So it's also understanding that Like there's
Speaker 1: other aspects of you that need to be integrated. And
Speaker 1: having that understanding can help you stay youthful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it helps very much. And sometimes it's especially helpful
Speaker 4: for DID systems because usually when we have that experience,
Speaker 4: most of those alters are going to be pretty young.
Speaker 4: You know, even if they're presenting as adults, like nine
Speaker 4: times out of 10, when I go into a certain
Speaker 4: alter and the person is like, oh, I think that
Speaker 4: person's an adult. Almost all the time when we go
Speaker 4: into it, it's actually a child. And it needs to
Speaker 4: be related to as a child. So it can be
Speaker 4: very helpful for DID systems to remember the transcendence of age.
Speaker 4: And it helps us respect ourselves as survivors because those
Speaker 4: parts are just, they're a lot younger than they appear.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: And that's especially true in the space programs. When you've
Speaker 4: been age progressed, you know, because you can be age
Speaker 4: progressed going the other way, made older, and you're basically
Speaker 4: operating with a child's degree of emotional maturity in a
Speaker 4: body that's like a fully mature adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there's that age.
Speaker 1: Actually, Andrew Bishago, I think, has the best testimony of
Speaker 1: age progression. He describes it, well, he's articulate anyway, and
Speaker 1: he has an incredible memory, but he's experienced age progression,
Speaker 1: and he was In fact, whenever they were, I guess,
Speaker 1: experimenting on him with that technology, they put him in
Speaker 1: a room with like children's books and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But he was an adult because they had to like
Speaker 1: the mind had to catch up.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they did that because he had to, I guess,
Speaker 1: go through, you know, the Montauk time tunnel or whatever
Speaker 1: it was, wherever they were sending him with whatever time
Speaker 1: travel technology they had that he had to be an
Speaker 1: adult for that mission.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: To fit in or blend in. So he has a really,
Speaker 1: really interesting testimony surrounding that. And I hardly hear people
Speaker 1: talk about age progression. So I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 4: I also went through that experience on a few occasions,
Speaker 4: mostly in clone bodies. So I've also had experiences outside
Speaker 4: of the two people that I've mentioned where my consciousness
Speaker 4: was moved into clone bodies. And those get age progressed
Speaker 4: really quickly, you know, because they basically, they need to
Speaker 4: turn an infant into a soldier like very, very fast.
Speaker 4: So they'll do, it's very common with clone bodies to
Speaker 4: do that. Progression can be even more debilitating than regression sometimes,
Speaker 4: but with clone bodies, they don't care. You know, whenever
Speaker 4: that clone dies, they might regen it or they might
Speaker 4: just put you back in your organic body. So they
Speaker 4: don't really care what's happening on more subtle levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a webinar on cloning, and that was
Speaker 1: talked about. You age progress somebody to age 20, right?
Speaker 1: And in fact, it creates a specific type of anger
Speaker 1: and anxiety within that being, which makes them more susceptible
Speaker 1: to your mind control, and they want to be a
Speaker 1: soldier because they're angry, and they'll fight for you.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. The perpetrators really value people in anybody that
Speaker 4: are in an adrenalized state already and have emotions that
Speaker 4: are easily turned against the, against the person manipulated.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's just, they eat that up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So how much of you, how much of this
Speaker 1: would you say is you in this lifetime healing ancestral
Speaker 1: karma or, or ancestral just healing and ancestral lineage?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Definitely some of this is for my biological lineage
Speaker 4: because they did go down such dark pathways. They've been
Speaker 4: Satanists for a very long time, my biological ancestors. A
Speaker 4: long time ago, they were Jewish. They converted to Catholicism
Speaker 4: in the Middle Ages, but they've had a front religion
Speaker 4: the whole time. But basically, they've been Luciferian Satanists going
Speaker 4: back for a very long time. So there is a
Speaker 4: lot of personal family karma to clear, and that is
Speaker 4: part of the mission here. I do a lot of
Speaker 4: that on my own. Some of my ancestors are helpful sometimes.
Speaker 4: My ancestors are on their own healing journeys, which I
Speaker 4: judge to be slower than mine. But they do continue.
Speaker 4: We're all going towards the light in one way or another.
Speaker 1: Yes. And interestingly enough, I don't know if you, there
Speaker 1: it is again.
Speaker 2: There's tons of orbs behind you.
Speaker 1: Four orbs, at least four orbs.
Speaker 2: I've seen more than that. There's been a bunch.
Speaker 1: And they're very prominent too. It could be like, well,
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, there's another one.
Speaker 2: There's another one just now.
Speaker 1: They just showed up and they, you know, these higher
Speaker 1: dimensional beings, they're everywhere on your screen.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They show up as orbs it could be wow.
Speaker 2: There's there was like three more just like.
Speaker 1: An international highway just opened up can you see them
Speaker 1: on your screen yeah oh yeah uh no i mean
Speaker 1: alondra yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm not seeing i'm not seeing them physically i can
Speaker 4: i can sense them though yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean it's wild like when you watch this
Speaker 1: replay you have to whatever minute mark we're at.
Speaker 2: We have to you shouldn't see it okay you should.
Speaker 1: Check that out um No, because I think this, what
Speaker 1: everybody coming forward now with these memories and sharing their
Speaker 1: stories or whatever, I think it's a sign of the
Speaker 1: times that this planet is experiencing a massive shift because
Speaker 1: it seems that everyone in this incarnation is here to
Speaker 1: end a cycle. There goes another orb. They're just flying
Speaker 1: around like crazy. But I feel like they're here to
Speaker 1: end that karmic cycle, right? It's been going on generation
Speaker 1: after generation, and then we're the group that chose to
Speaker 1: incarnate to break free. And I think that's self-evident at
Speaker 1: this point. If you listen to all these testimonies, why now?
Speaker 1: Why in this era? And not so much before. Maybe
Speaker 1: certain people were breaking out earlier, but right now that's
Speaker 1: the theme.
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, we on Earth are resolving the karma of
Speaker 4: many times and places, many nations, many locations. A lot
Speaker 4: of us who have the Secret Space Program experience are
Speaker 4: resolving karma. millennia of societal conflict from Orion, from the
Speaker 4: Orion Wars, you know, from the Lyran Wars, we're metabolizing
Speaker 4: that through this present lifetime, through our present bodies. Like
Speaker 4: this is massive collective stuff that's going on through each
Speaker 4: of us individually.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Which is why things are so intense on this planet
Speaker 2: right now. It makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And what is your opinion on
Speaker 1: you know, zooming out and looking at the world stage
Speaker 1: right now and where we're at, like a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe that we're, you know, entering into this higher timeline.
Speaker 1: You can call it a golden age or whatever, but
Speaker 1: then there's the other side of that coin where people think,
Speaker 1: or ascension, yeah, then there's the other side of that
Speaker 1: coin where people are mistaking the chaos for darkness and
Speaker 1: doom and gloom.
Speaker 2: New world order enslavement we're all screwed no matter what and.
Speaker 1: Yeah and it's a valid it's a valid perspective to
Speaker 1: have especially if you don't really if you're not having
Speaker 1: discussions like this which requires an understanding that most people
Speaker 1: don't have unfortunately because we just been born into this
Speaker 1: program with amnesia so what do you see occurring right
Speaker 1: now do you really think we are on this ascension timeline.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's all true.
Speaker 2: You're like, yes, all of the above.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all of the above, please.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very hopeful time and it's still a very,
Speaker 4: very dark time. You know, like we're being dragged down
Speaker 4: into just the depths of depravity by the whole just,
Speaker 4: you know, NSA Facebook complex of things, which is just
Speaker 4: like the depths dragging people into the dumbest possible version
Speaker 4: of humanity. That's obviously happening. At the same time, people
Speaker 4: are more and more resistant to manipulation and more and
Speaker 4: more in touch with their true spirit bodies. I mean,
Speaker 4: so many people are just spontaneously waking up now without
Speaker 4: any traditional spiritual practice. They're just like, well, okay. Wake
Speaker 4: up one morning and realize, oh, I'm having a parallel
Speaker 4: experience in the serious system.
Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Or they're, you know, they're getting there however they get there,
Speaker 4: maybe plant medicine or whatever works for people. But I'm
Speaker 4: seeing a lot more of that, which is very, very encouraging.
Speaker 4: You know, the more of us that are tuned in
Speaker 4: and turned on, the more we can resist the death
Speaker 4: agenda and the Instagram agenda and just like, you know,
Speaker 4: move into our sovereignty and our freedom. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: my version of all of the above.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And real quick, I want to say, I think
Speaker 2: You know, I, I get, I totally get the, it's,
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like the truther general mindset of, um,
Speaker 2: they're only looking at information and things look really scary
Speaker 2: from that level. And I get it. And I was
Speaker 2: more there years ago. And I, until you have a
Speaker 2: greater perspective, like everything you're talking about in a, in
Speaker 2: a more spiritual grounded, uh, state of being in perspective,
Speaker 2: you're not really going to understand the higher aspect of
Speaker 2: what's going on.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: And it's going to look really scary. And I get
Speaker 2: why they can, you know, you're like, oh my God,
Speaker 2: we're all, there's nothing you can do. They have all
Speaker 2: the power. And we're just, and it's like, well, actually,
Speaker 2: I think it's the exact opposite. I think we have
Speaker 2: all the power, but you got to tap into that.
Speaker 2: And that's what the awakening and the ascension is. It's like,
Speaker 2: we are coming online naturally and organically. And there's going
Speaker 2: to be a certain point where, you know, and right
Speaker 2: now we're still in the chaotic phase of the turmoil
Speaker 2: and chaos of the transition from the old to the new.
Speaker 2: and the old's trying to hang on for dear life,
Speaker 2: and then people's karmas are playing out, and everyone's getting triggered,
Speaker 2: and there's all this stuff happening all at the same time,
Speaker 2: which is why it's so intense. But ultimately, we have
Speaker 2: all the power, and we are creating reality. We are
Speaker 2: co-creating it. We just have to wake up and do
Speaker 2: that consciously instead of being manipulated to create someone else's
Speaker 2: reality that doesn't serve us, right? That's the hope I have,
Speaker 2: is that the more and more things, the farther we go,
Speaker 2: the more the awakening's going to go along and the
Speaker 2: more we're going to naturally start creating a reality we
Speaker 2: actually want to create. And then it's going to be
Speaker 2: one that serves everyone. And that's a lot more beautiful.
Speaker 4: Amen. Hey, women.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, and that's like a great reminder to,
Speaker 1: you know, if we are that much in control of
Speaker 1: our reality, then why aren't we much more intentional about
Speaker 1: where we put our focus and what choices we make
Speaker 1: every day? As far as our diet, meaning everything, food,
Speaker 1: social media, television, who you hang out with, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking to myself here too, because we, we,
Speaker 1: sometimes we all kind of, we, we aren't so intentional
Speaker 1: with the things that we do. And we find ourselves
Speaker 1: slipping into an autopilot mode or something, and we're just
Speaker 1: kind of going through the motions. But if you, and
Speaker 1: then we'll find ourselves in a situation like, man, how
Speaker 1: did this happen to me? Well, you know, at some
Speaker 1: point along the line, you made an unconscious choice to
Speaker 1: do something that wasn't serving your highest timeline. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think being self-aware, like hyper self-aware right now
Speaker 1: about everything you do, even every thought that you have
Speaker 1: can actually help manifest the reality that you want to see.
Speaker 1: And it's actually very possible. And most people aren't doing that.
Speaker 1: And that's not their fault because we're constantly distracted.
Speaker 2: Your program from day one to not do that. It's not,
Speaker 2: it's not the easiest thing to get to there, but
Speaker 2: once you do, it's like, you know, there's a point
Speaker 2: I feel like you get to in your growth and
Speaker 2: your awakening where suddenly you're, you're enough in your sovereignty.
Speaker 2: You can't really be manipulated in the same way. And
Speaker 2: that's where I see a lot of people getting to
Speaker 2: that point more than I've ever. I mean, I, I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, I had, I call my awakening.
Speaker 2: I haven't happened in 2012, but like it was years
Speaker 2: after that where I feel like I got to that point.
Speaker 2: where I really grew enough spiritually and to where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I get it now. Like I get what's going on
Speaker 2: here and I think I get why I'm here, you know?
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like more and more people are getting there.
Speaker 4: This might be a good moment to mention that I
Speaker 4: host meditation groups and the group vibe is really great.
Speaker 4: I have a really good time with it. I love
Speaker 4: the people that show up. We do a lot of
Speaker 4: good light work, a lot of good healing. Um, and
Speaker 4: my part of it is basically guided meditation, um, with
Speaker 4: my whole council. So sometimes it's me talking and sometimes
Speaker 4: it's the other, um, higher aspects talking, but, uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: those are gatherings that really nourish me and I hope
Speaker 4: nourish other people.
Speaker 2: Um, yeah.
Speaker 4: And I just want to mention those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, that's important too. I mean, so yeah,
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about what you do as
Speaker 1: far as helping people heal. I know we talked about
Speaker 1: it earlier, but like you do these meditations and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, like what, like you today, this has obviously
Speaker 1: everything that you've gone through has shaped you into the
Speaker 1: person we're talking to. And what you have to offer
Speaker 1: now is directly a result of your experience. And I
Speaker 1: think that's huge because it's a perfect example. And you're
Speaker 1: showing people like, listen, like you can play victim to
Speaker 1: this and perpetuate it, or you can like find a
Speaker 1: way out and help people. So, I guess give us
Speaker 1: a little more of a well-rounded idea of what you do. Oh, sure.
Speaker 4: A lot of what I do is based in storytelling.
Speaker 4: A lot of my earth incarnations have been as a storyteller.
Speaker 4: Most cultures have this role in a more direct, obvious way.
Speaker 4: Of course, this is what we're all three of us
Speaker 4: doing in a way here. But I've had a lot
Speaker 4: of lifetimes where I was the village storyteller and I
Speaker 4: would go around and you know, spin a yarn for people.
Speaker 4: Other lifetimes where I was the shaman figure and I
Speaker 4: had my hut outside the village and people would come
Speaker 4: from the village to get spirit medicine or whatever. I
Speaker 4: just bring those things up because those go into what
Speaker 4: I'm presently doing. It's a storytelling exercise. It's also a
Speaker 4: shamanic exercise. And we have different levels of perception and
Speaker 4: assistance going on. The Ontarians are highest level that I
Speaker 4: have consistent access to. There are many, many higher levels.
Speaker 4: I'm not placing any limitation on it. But often the
Speaker 4: Ontarians are working through me. They are, again, in divine
Speaker 4: feminine consciousness. So it's goddess awareness in a very direct sense.
Speaker 4: That's one of the pillars of what I'm offering, which
Speaker 4: is also alignment with Gaia. Gaia is our local goddess,
Speaker 4: you know, of our human experience, the most obvious goddess
Speaker 4: that we owe our entire lives too. So those are
Speaker 4: the two main kind of entry points into a greater
Speaker 4: story and entrance into spirit that I use kind of
Speaker 4: from the eighth dimensional goddess level and then from the
Speaker 4: ground up from the Gaia goddess level. That's my main
Speaker 4: inspiration and my main service. And then within that, points
Speaker 4: in between, lots of stuff comes up. We work with dragons.
Speaker 4: We work with angels. We work with all sorts of
Speaker 4: other ET beings. I have a very strong Syrian presence
Speaker 4: who comes through quite a lot, a more six-density Syrian presence.
Speaker 4: And we work on those in-between levels, you know, 4D,
Speaker 4: 5D levels also. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you must be doing something right, because I'm going
Speaker 1: to go out on a limb and say I've seen
Speaker 1: at least 100 orbs or more.
Speaker 2: I mean... They're just increasing in frequency now.
Speaker 1: Like it's extremely, it's very impressive. Like we don't see
Speaker 1: this very often.
Speaker 2: Not that many.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's happened before, you know, occasionally, but you're, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's something going on around you right now that is,
Speaker 1: is very interesting. Multidimensional for sure, which it could be the,
Speaker 1: these groups of these beings that you're talking about, your guides,
Speaker 1: like they could just be here as like supporting and
Speaker 1: showing themselves to like, okay, like I feel like this
Speaker 1: is what, the future looks like we talk about these
Speaker 1: things for so long and now we're going to literally
Speaker 1: start getting more evidence of they're going to be more
Speaker 1: tangible more perceivable um this way it's not such a
Speaker 1: stretch to believe what you're talking about because the actual
Speaker 1: evidence is literally floating around behind you while you're.
Speaker 2: Talking right yeah the evidence is literally floating yeah.
Speaker 4: That's great yeah that definitely helps yeah.
Speaker 1: Right but do you agree with that like we're like
Speaker 1: like these um like showing up in physical form. You
Speaker 1: said it takes a lot for them to do so.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 4: Well, the orbs are pretty low effort. Anybody can do
Speaker 4: an orb. It's just like, oh, here's something in your
Speaker 4: visual field to make you feel more valid. That's one
Speaker 4: of the easiest manifestations around. So yeah, sometimes it's the Ontarians,
Speaker 4: sometimes it's other ones.
Speaker 1: So do you think the orb is them projecting their consciousness?
Speaker 1: Or what is that? Or is it Merkaba traveling light body?
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's those things I'd say the most common is
Speaker 4: they're just stimulating the fabric of our visual space time
Speaker 4: so that it's glowing. Like they're just like making our
Speaker 4: reality sparkle a little bit is the most common one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But then, but then obviously there are much more involved
Speaker 4: visitations where you might have like a full on Merkaba
Speaker 4: form or something like that. Like you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I have heard many experiencers or contactees or whatever
Speaker 2: say that, the being first came to them in an
Speaker 2: orb and then it transformed from an orb to a
Speaker 2: being and then back to an orb and flew out
Speaker 2: you know yeah yeah so i've heard that many times
Speaker 2: so there you go yeah.
Speaker 1: You said they're the easiest thing formed and manifest so
Speaker 1: the way i perceive it is even like i always
Speaker 1: wonder even if a remote viewer is creating an orb
Speaker 1: whenever they project their consciousness to a location and somebody
Speaker 1: in that room could literally identify an orb that is
Speaker 1: your consciousness remote viewing is do you think that's how it.
Speaker 4: Works uh sometimes it works like that yeah i mean
Speaker 4: the astral body is way more fluid than the physical
Speaker 4: body it can take many forms a point it could
Speaker 4: be a point of light or It could be a
Speaker 4: fly buzzing around the room. There's really no limitation on that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think a point of light is just
Speaker 4: one of the most practical universal applications of consciousness that exists.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's absolutely fascinating. I'm still kind of getting distracted
Speaker 1: by these orbs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so cool. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just something that you don't see every day. I know
Speaker 1: it happens all the time, but to capture it on
Speaker 1: a camera like this, it's just really cool. So I
Speaker 1: hope everyone watching, if you're listening to the audio version
Speaker 1: of this, come tune in because it's really something to see, honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So as far as, okay, this is, you brought up
Speaker 1: the astral body and stuff and something that I noticed,
Speaker 1: especially that has been prominent in my journey is dream warfare, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what can happen in the dream state or these
Speaker 1: dream societies is a new one I've heard. So it's
Speaker 1: like these secret societies that are in the astral realm
Speaker 1: or the dream world. Have you encountered a lot of that?
Speaker 1: And I think that's a whole other layer to this
Speaker 1: that needs to be taken much more seriously.
Speaker 4: Definitely. Yeah. Dream warfare is, well, very often, especially with
Speaker 4: SSP survivors, they're not strictly dreams. They're also just direct
Speaker 4: perceptions of physical events. So there's that aspect. And then
Speaker 4: just in a more poetic sense, it's always good to
Speaker 4: pay attention to dreams. Like they're always full of wisdom
Speaker 4: and light and power or where you're denying yourself power.
Speaker 4: You know, they're always a window into the subconscious. Dreams
Speaker 4: are the most common example that I bring up. If
Speaker 4: somebody asks like, what's fourth density? What's the next density?
Speaker 4: Dreams are the first thing that I always talk about,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's just easy for everyone. We've all
Speaker 4: had some sort of dream. And it gives us, even
Speaker 4: if we have no experience with meditation or whatever, it
Speaker 4: gives us an introduction to the astral realms, which is
Speaker 4: very concrete. And a bit of understanding about how those
Speaker 4: realms work, you know, how fluid things are in dreams.
Speaker 4: So I see those as a really useful portal and
Speaker 4: introduction to a lot of different realms. But then, yeah,
Speaker 4: specifically warfare. There's a lot of warfare over our dreams.
Speaker 4: There are false dreams that are given to us with
Speaker 4: malicious technology. A friend of mine calls them Wi-Fi dreams.
Speaker 4: Like she'll always sleep with the Wi-Fi off because if
Speaker 4: she has it on, she'll like have dreams about negative Zetas. Like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4: I mean, not everybody is that sensitive to that stuff, obviously.
Speaker 4: But our dreams are fought over just as surely as
Speaker 4: these 3D lives are fought over, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's really, I think it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: But also I think what people need to understand is
Speaker 1: it's not just always spiritual. Like there are actual corporations,
Speaker 1: agencies that have technology or even psionic abilities that people
Speaker 1: can literally project themselves into your dreams. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you're always going to encounter some demonic entity
Speaker 1: or some reptilian entity. Like you're, you could be like,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with some dude in a warehouse or in
Speaker 1: a basement somewhere and, and like literally wreaking havoc in
Speaker 1: your dreams. And therefore that translates into your daily life.
Speaker 1: Therefore that weakens you. And then like you become more susceptible.
Speaker 1: So understanding that this is, there's technology involved too. And
Speaker 1: sometimes people call entity assisted technology. There's entities working in
Speaker 1: tandem with this stuff. It's very complicated. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: this to scare anybody, but I've experienced this firsthand to
Speaker 1: the point where, I've had to research it to understand
Speaker 1: what they're capable of and what this game really looks like.
Speaker 1: And it's just something to be aware of is all
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. You don't have to be in
Speaker 1: fear of it, but if you are having these experiences
Speaker 1: in the dream time and they're negative, it could be
Speaker 1: something as simple, like you said, like turning off, cutting
Speaker 1: off whatever is letting them into your home, allowing them
Speaker 1: to do that in the first place.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4: Another thing I might want to bring up in case
Speaker 4: other survivors are listening, there are a lot of screen
Speaker 4: dreams also and things that come just from repetition and
Speaker 4: programming in childhood and adolescence. Like personally, I've been subjected
Speaker 4: to hundreds, maybe thousands of hours of just virtual reality
Speaker 4: crap and getting tortured in virtual reality and also having
Speaker 4: characters from media come in to cover up actual abuses. Um,
Speaker 4: like to this day, I will still have dreams that
Speaker 4: are totally saturated with Star Trek characters. Um, and now
Speaker 4: I know to pay attention and look beyond that because
Speaker 4: that was a programming thing that was used on me
Speaker 4: when I was a kid, you know, in like the
Speaker 4: late eighties and nineties when the next generation was on TV,
Speaker 4: like they would literally like give me acid and sit
Speaker 4: me down like clockwork orange style with my eyelids open,
Speaker 4: like in front of a marathon screenings of the next generation.
Speaker 4: And they would replace things, like, my actual experiences, they
Speaker 4: would try to replace them with these downloads from the show.
Speaker 4: And the show is pretty good. It's nothing against the show.
Speaker 2: No, it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But, like, this is something I became very aware of
Speaker 4: when I started to get my memories back. Like, I
Speaker 4: would wake up in a cold sweat, but I couldn't
Speaker 4: describe anything concrete. I just had a dream about Star
Speaker 4: Trek characters.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But if I meditated with it and let those
Speaker 4: false images start to dissolve, I could get to the
Speaker 4: actual picture of what was happening and why my body
Speaker 4: was reacting so violently. So, yeah, I just want to
Speaker 4: mention screen dreams and screen memories here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, taking a deeper look through that stuff is also important.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole other conversation, but I've experienced
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 2: Well, many abductees and things have screen memories of And
Speaker 2: it seems like a lot of times they come from
Speaker 2: the earth military, the deep state military, whatever that puts
Speaker 2: that in place, um, over their actual other ET abduction
Speaker 2: or contact because they don't want them. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 2: I always had this recurring dream of like an owl
Speaker 2: or of like a something else, whatever the screen is.
Speaker 2: And it's not until they either. A lot of times
Speaker 2: it's from, uh, having a hypnotic regression session where they realize,
Speaker 2: oh my God, this is what actually happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of ones like that. When I
Speaker 4: was a child, I had a recurring dream that there
Speaker 4: were these giant Muppet characters in my living room, like
Speaker 4: super recurring dream. It took, it took so long to
Speaker 4: like get through that. And like, what is that hiding?
Speaker 4: You know, just like, oh, because the emotions were not like, oh, Muppets,
Speaker 4: you know, the emotions were like horrible trauma emotions though.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it doesn't make sense until you get the
Speaker 2: real memories. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Or it's also normalizing something for your waking world in
Speaker 1: your waking world, as far as Muppets or Star Trek
Speaker 1: or whatever it could be used for programming in a
Speaker 1: strange way, you know? So they normalize it if you're
Speaker 1: dreaming about it and you see it, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of, I guess normalizing would be the
Speaker 1: best way. So they can use that as a tool. um,
Speaker 1: for manipulation or whatever it is they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: But there's lots of good stuff that happens through dreams
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's a benevolent contact starting through dreams or happens
Speaker 2: through dreams.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And your guides or, you know, angels or whatever. So
Speaker 2: there's definitely a lot of both, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the benevolence far outweighs the malevolence for sure.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, lots of premonitions and many things, you know,
Speaker 1: I've had beautiful experiences. And in fact, um, I think
Speaker 1: that you should like, yeah, I don't, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: this is a great point to make because I don't
Speaker 1: want to discourage people not to trust their dreams because
Speaker 1: I think dreams, dreams is where are the real, that's
Speaker 1: the real stuff, you know, that's where you get the
Speaker 1: real information. So absolutely trust it, but just know that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's just be aware, just be aware. You know,
Speaker 1: we got a whole audience of ETs. It's such a
Speaker 1: distracting thing trying to literally right now, an entire audience
Speaker 1: of beings behind you. Like, I can't believe it. I'm
Speaker 1: still like at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, I should say my team and I are
Speaker 4: very available to work with people in dreams specifically or
Speaker 4: just anytime. But I am known to materialize in people's
Speaker 4: dreams to do different light work things. I'm usually not
Speaker 4: conscious personally of what they are, but it's almost always
Speaker 4: something really good. So I just want to say I'm
Speaker 4: very available for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's great. How many people have you come
Speaker 1: across where they're really struggling, but you realize that a
Speaker 1: curse has been put on them? Is that something that
Speaker 1: comes up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's... happens um uh yeah most of the time
Speaker 4: with my clients it goes back to some sort of
Speaker 4: trauma-based mind control thing most of the time not always
Speaker 4: you know there are curses that are just placed by individuals,
Speaker 4: you know, that are just out there. More organic curse
Speaker 4: work is definitely a thing. But in my case, with
Speaker 4: my clients, typically, when they start out talking about a curse,
Speaker 4: usually it leads directly into some trauma-based mind control recovery.
Speaker 2: That's interpreted as a curse, which I don't know that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, it is something that comes up a lot.
Speaker 1: And I do think that even like black magic, that's
Speaker 1: what that is, right? And like, I think that yeah
Speaker 1: people can even unconsciously curse somebody without even understanding what
Speaker 1: they're dealing with right.
Speaker 4: That's true yeah yeah but for but for a curse
Speaker 4: to really stick it's got to have a little bit
Speaker 4: more discipline and intention in it yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely yeah i just was curious it's something that
Speaker 1: came up with somebody in my life and i just
Speaker 1: thought i'd ask you to show.
Speaker 4: Oh sure in your sessions um well we're always happy
Speaker 4: to remove curses this is uh yeah that's part of
Speaker 4: our bread and butter activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah i might have this person reach out to you
Speaker 1: directly after this because they're looking right now so um
Speaker 1: looking for some help so this has been this is
Speaker 1: a deep conversation i mean it's quantum we went out
Speaker 1: there i mean we just dove straight in and i
Speaker 1: guess this isn't for the beginner but that's perfectly okay
Speaker 1: so if you made this far into the episode and
Speaker 1: you're listening to this um you know we appreciate you
Speaker 1: sticking around you're amazing This is, yeah, you're amazing. This
Speaker 1: is some really deep stuff that we're covering. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to understand the things that we're bringing up in
Speaker 1: a linear way, for one, because right off the bat,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about parallel lives and born in 70
Speaker 1: and 86 and two aspects of you embodying the same
Speaker 1: avatar and all this stuff, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: Age regression.
Speaker 1: Age regression. Age progression.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um, all these programs and abductions and all these things,
Speaker 1: dream warfare and curses. It's, it sounds very over the top,
Speaker 1: overwhelming and confusing, but it's the reality of the situation.
Speaker 1: And until you start understanding the complexity of it, then
Speaker 1: that's the only time that's when you can rise above
Speaker 1: it because, um, you have to know what you're up against.
Speaker 1: You know, we came here for this spiritual war to
Speaker 1: participate in this. And the only way to really take
Speaker 1: down your enemy is to know your enemy, right? Not
Speaker 1: that we're trying to take them down because they're going
Speaker 1: to do that to themselves, but to rise above it,
Speaker 1: you have to know what they're capable of. And your
Speaker 1: orbs in the background are literally proof that your guides
Speaker 1: are with us all the time. And your star family
Speaker 1: and everything, they're around and there's equally, if not more,
Speaker 1: positive things that you can tap into. It's just that
Speaker 1: the dark seems more apparent because it's being exposed right now.
Speaker 1: And they're doubling down because they're losing their grip and
Speaker 1: we know all that.
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1: So are there any final words you'd like to leave
Speaker 1: us with before we wrap up today?
Speaker 4: We are all so loved. Love is the most infinite
Speaker 4: force in all creation. Everything is grounded in love. We
Speaker 4: are here because of love. All of the evil that
Speaker 4: we experience is just a fractal of love. Everything goes
Speaker 4: back to that.
Speaker 1: Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 2: Absolutely spot on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Simple. It's just that simple. And let our audience
Speaker 1: know how they can find you, your website and all this.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh, well, Ontarian journeys, A N T A R E
Speaker 4: A N journeys.com is, uh, my, my spirit work site. Um,
Speaker 4: I have a YouTube channel. Uh, some of my meditations
Speaker 4: are on there and that's just my name, youtube.com slash
Speaker 4: Alondra Markman, all one word, like it's on the screen. Um, uh,
Speaker 4: those are the main places. I have some other projects cooking.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of side projects, um, but I
Speaker 4: don't know if they're so relevant, um, to the consciousness conversation. Um,
Speaker 4: I write poetry on a portable typewriter. I have a
Speaker 4: website for that poetry upon request. Um, I've got a
Speaker 4: video game channel. I've got different things. Um, yeah, but
Speaker 4: mainly ontarianjourneys.com and my YouTube channel. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great. And, and you'll have to send me over those
Speaker 1: links and we'll put everything below. And yeah, thank you
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