Speaker 1: You're watching brand new faces. I'm your host, Matt, and
Speaker 1: I'm joined tonight by a very special guest. Now this
Speaker 1: isn't the first time we've met her, so I want
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Speaker 1: these folks, ladies and gentlemen. My guests tonight, Jenneray, Jenna,
Speaker 1: how are you this evening?
Speaker 2: And I'm wonderful again? How are you good?
Speaker 1: Good? Good? I was looking at the date March eighteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, is the first time we recorded a
Speaker 1: two years ago.
Speaker 2: Already, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. You look phenomenal still, you look phenomenal back then.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm stopped drinking.
Speaker 1: There you go, and maybe that's what it is. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to talk about, just any kind
Speaker 1: of changes or what has gone on in the last
Speaker 1: two years. So let me ask first, let's establish where
Speaker 1: you are now, Jenna. What is what do you What
Speaker 1: is the role you consider your job to be? Like
Speaker 1: if you were to put on a resume with all
Speaker 1: that you do between only fans, between camming this and that,
Speaker 1: if you were to call yourself one thing, what would
Speaker 1: it be?
Speaker 3: Actually I have chat GBT to think for this because
Speaker 3: it was very helpful in my whole rebranding. But the
Speaker 3: other day it was like, you know what, you're kind
Speaker 3: of like a luxury campaigion. So I mean, long story short,
Speaker 3: Obviously we've been here before. I was on of off
Speaker 3: and on for like five years, and I was webcamming also,
Speaker 3: but I was like, you know what everyone's doing of
Speaker 3: I'm going to try this. I'm gonna put my all
Speaker 3: into this. And I was really trying to like run
Speaker 3: a lane that I shouldn't have been in. Although I
Speaker 3: love creating content, I suck at marketing and I absolutely
Speaker 3: do not like it. So this time around, I was like, let's,
Speaker 3: you know, put all my mental horsepower into something I
Speaker 3: really excel at, just camming live, live one on one interactions.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that'll kind of sum it up
Speaker 3: as like a luxury campaign, and I've sort of free
Speaker 3: vamped my whole brand. Regardless of where I start, I
Speaker 3: always seem to attract a specific type of demographic and
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to really just bring that vibe
Speaker 3: this time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would see that.
Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool. It's just so many people from
Speaker 1: an outside perspective would be like, porn star, cam girl this,
Speaker 1: and that that's only the job. What they don't factor
Speaker 1: in is what you said before, all of the marketing,
Speaker 1: the stupid social media that everything else you have to do, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard, like obviously with of you know,
Speaker 3: it's pretty much solely dependent on outside marketing and social
Speaker 3: media marketing, and it's like whereas camming it's all internalogorithm, Like, yes,
Speaker 3: you can from out on social media, but it's typically
Speaker 3: not your your bulk of your fan base, and so
Speaker 3: that leaves me able to just really focus on in
Speaker 3: the moment and not having all these other outside things
Speaker 3: to worry about. Plus I mean, I just I honestly
Speaker 3: get lazy and I can't post on twenty bajillion Instagram
Speaker 3: accounts every day. So I'm like, hey, if I'm on
Speaker 3: cams at marketing, that's good for me.
Speaker 1: Let's go sure you're actively working, you're marketing, you're doing
Speaker 1: everything all at once. It almost feels like you said
Speaker 1: you attract a certain kind of guy to you What
Speaker 1: kind of guy is that you attract or person I
Speaker 1: should say so?
Speaker 3: And there's kind of two demographics. And it's funny because
Speaker 3: no matter like what role or image I try and portray,
Speaker 3: it always ends up back to this. So I was like,
Speaker 3: let's just roll with what I know kind of slid
Speaker 3: into two age groups. Anyone really under thirty five as
Speaker 3: my viewers. I noticed that they really lean towards wanting
Speaker 3: like the mommy dom figure. They want to be submissive,
Speaker 3: they want to be you know, I'm just good boy. Uh.
Speaker 3: And then the older demographic like forty to sixty is
Speaker 3: your typical like provider, male professional. They want the companionship,
Speaker 3: the connection. I mean, it sounds cliche, but like off
Speaker 3: the top of my head, I know, like a couple
Speaker 3: of my biggest vendors, I don't think they've ever asked
Speaker 3: for anything super explicit, Like they come back and back
Speaker 3: again because I'm like this fantasy for them or escape
Speaker 3: for whatever their real life is. So people are just
Speaker 3: kind of weed themselves onto those two specific demographics.
Speaker 1: For me, how do you Okay, that's that's super interesting.
Speaker 1: So you have broken down your demos and you understand it,
Speaker 1: But it almost feels like those two are not in
Speaker 1: direct contrast, like not verse playing light. You know they
Speaker 1: are different, though they are forced different. So how do
Speaker 1: you like as you're just logging onto your room, are
Speaker 1: you looking at your list and seeing are there any
Speaker 1: names who go this specific way? Or do you start
Speaker 1: standard and see kind of how the room flows with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I know obviously my regulars what they like.
Speaker 3: I don't really niche down into anything too crazy like
Speaker 3: in my public chat because obviously if I'm sitting there
Speaker 3: being like, oh, you're such a good boy, that's going
Speaker 3: to turn off my other demographics.
Speaker 2: So I really turn not to role play too hard.
Speaker 3: In public chat obviously if they want something specific thing
Speaker 3: and take me to a private show. But I feel
Speaker 3: like my vibe kind of a tracks flow that kind
Speaker 3: of have this like soft feminine, like soultry vibe, so
Speaker 3: it doesn't it appeals to several demographics without being too niche,
Speaker 3: and then of course they control down and get specifically
Speaker 3: what they want sure in more private setting.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, all right, has it been since
Speaker 1: you went into this full time? Has it been as
Speaker 1: Obviously nothing's as successful as we would all like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to put out a podcast to make a
Speaker 1: trillion dollars tomorrow, But just in terms of building an
Speaker 1: audience revenue. Two if you not that I am asking
Speaker 1: for numbers, Just is it is this working for you
Speaker 1: versus some of the stuff you've tried in the past.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, definitely, you know, trying to force o F
Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, this is a way easier
Speaker 3: to make way to make money. The burnout was crazy,
Speaker 3: although obviously I just gone back into things a few
Speaker 3: months ago, so it's still rampying. But the level of
Speaker 3: like return on investment and effort is significantly higher with
Speaker 3: camming for me personally, because that's what I excel at.
Speaker 3: But it goes the other way too, Like I know
Speaker 3: kind of super successful of models who are like I
Speaker 3: would never do camming, like they're so completely different. Just
Speaker 3: because you're successful on one doesn't mean you're going to
Speaker 3: be successful on the other. You know, if I was
Speaker 3: still pounding out for the next five years by myself,
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't get nearly as far as I will
Speaker 3: with putting the consistency in camming. So it's really just
Speaker 3: figuring out what you excel at because they're so different
Speaker 3: as far as like fan base, how to succeed, how
Speaker 3: to grow, and it really takes kind of two different people,
Speaker 3: so you have to figure out what works best for you.
Speaker 1: It seems like the of grind, it goes one of two,
Speaker 1: one of three ways. Maybe you can just grind and
Speaker 1: grind and grind for years and really be dedicated and
Speaker 1: never get discouraged at posting on Twitter and getting four
Speaker 1: likes and you're like, I just showed my entire body
Speaker 1: what is that? And then eventually it comes. But it's
Speaker 1: almost like a comic working like open mics early on,
Speaker 1: like you're just hopeing something, well that's one way, another
Speaker 1: way is going viral. If that's a total crap shoot,
Speaker 1: we have no idea if that's going to happen or not.
Speaker 1: You could have one picture of yours blow up to
Speaker 1: ten million views or yeah, nothing. And the third way
Speaker 1: would be kind of the hybrid of mainstream stuff shooting
Speaker 1: certain mainstream scenes. Your name is up there, you know.
Speaker 1: So when it came to the only fans stuff, did
Speaker 1: you ever get any offers from any like mainstream sites
Speaker 1: or anyone ever reach out to you and go, hey,
Speaker 1: would you shoot for us? And then either you had
Speaker 1: to decline or you had to think about it. Was
Speaker 1: there ever any kind of offer like that?
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, I've gotten a few in the past. That's
Speaker 3: just from the beginning. Ever, earlier about I wanted to
Speaker 3: take I wanted to do content for me, and for
Speaker 3: me it was like, Okay, I might make X amount
Speaker 3: of dollars on this shoe, but then it's like, it's
Speaker 3: not my content really if there's so many other loopholes,
Speaker 3: and I wanted the content to be more mind and
Speaker 3: I love the creative direction of it. From a marketing standpoint,
Speaker 3: in my head, it also didn't make sense. And I know,
Speaker 3: like the trend nowadays is all like breach bait and
Speaker 3: shock factor, but that's completely not me. So it's just
Speaker 3: something I've never really considered. I've had a lot of
Speaker 3: friends that I have gone that route and have done
Speaker 3: really well, but it's just not desire for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that to me and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: That sounds like in a positive way, like a total
Speaker 1: control type of thing, like you want to make sure
Speaker 1: everything comes out the way you think it should come
Speaker 1: out at the end, right, you don't want to be
Speaker 1: represented exactly.
Speaker 3: Control is kind of harsh word, but yeah, you have
Speaker 3: less like hold over your content. Obviously we're shooting for
Speaker 3: a studio. That's that's studios content, you know. I just
Speaker 3: like having you own creative direction of my own content
Speaker 3: and kind of keeping it mine.
Speaker 1: I guess sure, And I should clarify. I don't mean
Speaker 1: control like you can't put that. I mean more like
Speaker 1: I'd like this shot, I want to look this way,
Speaker 1: I want to come off this Yeah, that totally makes
Speaker 1: total sense. So let's talk about the camming again for
Speaker 1: anyone listening now, if you don't hear at the beginning
Speaker 1: Jenna ray XO, that's on Chatterbag and Bonga cams. What
Speaker 1: is your is which one of those or any of
Speaker 1: the other ones. What's you've been your most successful like
Speaker 1: growing ground for this new start, Like what's been moving
Speaker 1: the quickness for you.
Speaker 3: It's it's hard to say. I mean I stream on
Speaker 3: multiple sites, and starting out, I had one site. Thought
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is going to be my site,
Speaker 3: and then randomly now it's changed over to a completely
Speaker 3: different side, which is part of the reason I multi stream,
Speaker 3: because you never know. I wouldn't say it's been one
Speaker 3: specific site just uh. And of course it sounds cliche,
Speaker 3: but consistency, I mean was I was like, Okay, if
Speaker 3: I stream every day for two hours a day, it'll
Speaker 3: be good because I'm on every day. But now I've
Speaker 3: gone to like taking a couple of days off, but
Speaker 3: streaming in longer chunks of time, and that's been a
Speaker 3: big game changer. But really, yeah, just putting the hours in,
Speaker 3: I mean, you really have to treat it like a
Speaker 3: full time job and not like you have to work
Speaker 3: forty hours a week. But you know, you know, you
Speaker 3: work for yourself. But if you say you have a schedule,
Speaker 3: you got to stick to the schedule.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that's really grown is kind
Speaker 3: of becoming a little more unreachable. Back in my super
Speaker 3: early CAMMI days, they used to do all the explicit stuff.
Speaker 3: Just in the public chat. I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is going to get ive on me. It's going
Speaker 3: to get traffic. And while I got traffic, it wasn't
Speaker 3: really the right kind of traffic. And I was sort
Speaker 3: of training my room to behave the wrong way. So
Speaker 3: when I revamped everything, I was like, Nope, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be like cause you know Track, you said you're
Speaker 3: a luxury companion, be that like unreachable. You know, people
Speaker 3: are there. It's like a strip clib Just because someone
Speaker 3: throws a bunch of ones on our stage, you don't
Speaker 3: have to go, you know, give them head. So kind
Speaker 3: of thinking more in that mindset of like, hey, these
Speaker 3: people are here from my presence, anything else that's extra sure?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah. I always see like when they introduce a
Speaker 1: new girl and they promote them for a while, you'll
Speaker 1: see like eight thousand, ten thousand people in that chat.
Speaker 1: No one's ever tipping. It seems like it just and.
Speaker 3: There are lots of times praying on the fact that
Speaker 3: they're a new model, sure, and that I'll potentially get
Speaker 3: away with more.
Speaker 1: Sure And what is that like they think they could
Speaker 1: talk them into doing something right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, oh, they're new on this platform. They
Speaker 3: don't know how it works. It was really funny when
Speaker 3: I came back a couple months ago because I had
Speaker 3: my new model tag, but I obviously wasn't nail, so
Speaker 3: I got all the scammers back. You'll get people in
Speaker 3: a room that are like, oh, this is how you
Speaker 3: should run a room, this is how the platform works. Like,
Speaker 3: trust me, if you do this, like this will happen
Speaker 3: things like that, and they just pray on the fact that,
Speaker 3: you know, because some of these girls aren't even brand
Speaker 3: new to the industry, brand new camics, so they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: like and they have no idea what their boundaries are.
Speaker 3: What's you know, right and wrong? So yeah, a lot
Speaker 3: of guys literally will serve the campsites and click on
Speaker 3: the new tag just to go pray on models.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they've already kind of set a precedent
Speaker 1: on what your show should be. And if you do
Speaker 1: get a little bit of success, you just go, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run with this for it. And I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think women need to kind of
Speaker 1: get themselves in a mindset of like I am the
Speaker 1: not in a negative way, I am the product here.
Speaker 1: I will I will sell what I am selling for
Speaker 1: the price I am selling it, and I will only
Speaker 1: go as far as I'm willing to go, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't think new girls quite know that yet,
Speaker 1: and it's good to educate them on that, I think.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So do you have like a number one
Speaker 1: tipper right now? Or is it people who are like
Speaker 1: kind of competing. I know you mentioned too you had
Speaker 1: two guys before who were like, you know, reaching out
Speaker 1: to you and not necessarily even like asking anything that
Speaker 1: much of you. Do you have like a go to
Speaker 1: right now that you're like if you were like, man,
Speaker 1: I need an extra hundred bucks, Let me hop on
Speaker 1: Bonka cams real quick and see if John is on
Speaker 1: or whoever.
Speaker 3: I mean kind of like I know on my head,
Speaker 3: like if I see this person on, then it's probably
Speaker 3: going to be a good night. But I've also learned
Speaker 3: not to have any expectations. And I would also say
Speaker 3: this as a tip to girls who are camming, do
Speaker 3: not rely on anyone ever. Aroun't care how nice they
Speaker 3: been and how much money they spent. They can drop
Speaker 3: you any second. I mean, they're jumping girl to girl
Speaker 3: a girl, it doesn't matter, like I had a girl
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago freaking out of our Christmas
Speaker 3: because she was relying on this one wakler and she
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'll go on tomorrow night and I'll
Speaker 3: make enough, you know, for Christmas shopping. And he didn't
Speaker 3: show up. And it's like, well, honestly, what do you expect,
Speaker 3: Like these men don't know you anything, just like you
Speaker 3: don't owe them anything, and you could have a regular
Speaker 3: for a month or years and they could just off
Speaker 3: the face the earth.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have.
Speaker 3: People where if I see their online, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 3: do well, but I'm not relying on like oh I've
Speaker 3: had a shitty week, like let me just go online
Speaker 3: and he's gonna, you know, make it out for me.
Speaker 3: You can't have that mentality or rely on anybody because
Speaker 3: they could just I mean, I've had regulars pop back
Speaker 3: up after years, but they could just go mia with
Speaker 3: with no warnings. So you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't have that mentality of like I'm gonna I
Speaker 2: know this guy's gonna take care of me.
Speaker 1: Sure, performers and whoever else on cam need to know,
Speaker 1: like there's no commitment necessarily on your end to provide
Speaker 1: things you don't want to provide. But there's also no
Speaker 1: commitment coming the other way, So either keep someone entertained,
Speaker 1: but never really rely on it because like you said,
Speaker 1: could just go away, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I'm still working, Like I may year at dollars
Speaker 3: the night before. I'm not gonna Oh, I had my
Speaker 3: regular last night, so I could take the rest of
Speaker 3: the week off. Like you can't have them mentalities, you know,
Speaker 3: keep going like you didn't make a penny.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's it's a grind. You got to work to
Speaker 1: get to the point where you don't need it anymore necessarily. Right,
Speaker 1: So when you do private shows, have you gotten any
Speaker 1: requests that you've had to decline where you say like no,
Speaker 1: no out on time. I don't do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, as far as my personal boundaries, I'm pretty open,
Speaker 3: Like there's not a whole lot I haven't gotten asked
Speaker 3: to do. But my obvious boundaries are like things that
Speaker 3: are legitimately illegal or against terms of service of the site.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I get it a blurred line all
Speaker 3: the time because guys are like, we want the mommie
Speaker 3: on kind of thing, or you know, the mommy roleplay whatever,
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, oh yeah, sure, stepmommy, because you
Speaker 3: have to be like very specific about that, which I'm
Speaker 3: happy to do the step mom role. I play that
Speaker 3: very well. But then of course they get the guys
Speaker 3: who get me into the private show and then conveniently
Speaker 3: I forget to add the words step before their uh
Speaker 3: role play. So that kind of stuff have to shut down,
Speaker 3: you know, the obvious, gross and illegal things quite frequently,
Speaker 3: which is odd. But then again, I've noticed cam sites
Speaker 3: don't really care about what the users are doing. They
Speaker 3: only care about what the models are doing. I've reported
Speaker 3: so many people for ancest eaciality and they don't give fuck.
Speaker 3: But you know, I mentioned my of one time on
Speaker 3: cams and I'm suspendous. So it's a it's a fine line.
Speaker 1: That's crazy that they do that in terms of you
Speaker 1: mentioning that, but in a sense it's almost a little
Speaker 1: it's a little good because wasn't there a thing going
Speaker 1: on with only fans a few years ago where people
Speaker 1: would be like, like a girl would receive a message
Speaker 1: someone asking like do us score, and then she would
Speaker 1: get in trouble for that. I think that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that shouldn't happen either now. Obviously you shouldn't get in
Speaker 1: before mentioning any of your other stuff. But if some
Speaker 1: guys creeping on you, that seems like a great way
Speaker 1: of like gang piling on top of someone if they're
Speaker 1: you know, speaking out or doing whatever. Are there any okay,
Speaker 1: so you don't mind doing the stepmommy stuff. Are there
Speaker 1: any trends or anything else that are within the realm
Speaker 1: of normal, not gross, not illegal, anything like that where
Speaker 1: you do find it kind of objectionable, like a I'm
Speaker 1: not digging that, or do you understand like it's all
Speaker 1: fantasy freaking.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm a fit in this category.
Speaker 3: But when I got back on TikTok, I was like,
Speaker 3: what the hell is up with this like barely legal trend? Like, okay,
Speaker 3: it's one thing if you're like, hey, I'm twenty years old,
Speaker 3: that's just a fact. But all these like twenty something
Speaker 3: year old influencers and oh if girls that specifically pretend
Speaker 3: to be you know, barely legal eighteen and they know
Speaker 3: exactly what they're doing and it's disgusting although it's obviously
Speaker 3: not legal, And once you're eighteen or an adult, they
Speaker 3: know who they're portraying to in the demographic they're going for.
Speaker 3: And so that's very gross to me, although perfectly legal.
Speaker 3: It's like you're twenty four, but you're pretending to be eighteen.
Speaker 2: Hy you know, I.
Speaker 1: Totally get that. Yeah, well, let me all right, let
Speaker 1: me ask you. I normally end the interview with this one,
Speaker 1: but this is an interesting one because you brought it
Speaker 1: up here. This is just your opinion. I don't want
Speaker 1: it to be like you're, you know, saying no hard lines,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But I ask all adult performers this,
Speaker 1: and I'm shocked by some of the numbers that get
Speaker 1: thrown out. What should be the age when women can
Speaker 1: get into the adult entertainment industry? Do you think that
Speaker 1: should be raised at all? Do you think eighteen is good?
Speaker 1: Or where do you sit with that? And then I
Speaker 1: want to go through with you some of the general
Speaker 1: consensus that I hear from a lot of the performers.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it should be a twenty one.
Speaker 3: I think people are taking it a little bit too
Speaker 3: far and taking advantage of like, Okay, I'm a teen,
Speaker 3: I'm an adult. Well yes, legally, but I mean there's
Speaker 3: all sorts of issues. I mean, I still see eighteen
Speaker 3: as a teen or a kid, even though you're legally
Speaker 3: an adult. Plus you think about all these girls getting
Speaker 3: in right when they're eighteen, and it's like, how much
Speaker 3: of your content was actually taken after you eighteen to
Speaker 3: just kind of have some sort of cushion between legally
Speaker 3: an adult and getting into such honestly dangerous and like
Speaker 3: manipulative industry where you know, as a teenager, I feel
Speaker 3: you don't really have the mental resources to be able
Speaker 3: to navigate it correctly and healthily. So I mean, twenty
Speaker 3: one would you create?
Speaker 1: That's that's generally. I mean, I've interviewed mainstream performers who
Speaker 1: got in at eighteen, and they say, twenty one what
Speaker 1: we kind of But then you have anecdotal examples of
Speaker 1: like sixteen year old girl gets kicked out of her house,
Speaker 1: she's on the street for a couple of years, decides
Speaker 1: she wants to go into this work. I understand that too.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt any of those people, you know,
Speaker 1: and maturity isn't just a number, Like I've met eighteen
Speaker 1: year olds who are a thousand times more mature than
Speaker 1: fifty year olds I've met. So we kind of came
Speaker 1: to maybe a little consensus, almost like a training ground.
Speaker 1: What if from eighteen to twenty one, And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you have to agree with this, just this is
Speaker 1: the consensus on what we kind of came to. From
Speaker 1: eighteen to twenty one. You cannot shoot anything other than
Speaker 1: solo work. It is just OnlyFans or camming. It is
Speaker 1: just solo work. There are no other performers involved. You
Speaker 1: learn the business of social media, you learn what it's
Speaker 1: going to take to go into this, paying taxes on this.
Speaker 1: And then some girls, I bet a lot of them,
Speaker 1: even just going in setting the whole thing up. I
Speaker 1: bet a lot of girls would just eighteen year olds
Speaker 1: would just go I don't I don't feel like doing this,
Speaker 1: Like I don't feel like doing this shit or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then at twenty one, you're kind of an adult
Speaker 1: at that point. Now you can get into shooting stuff
Speaker 1: if you've done it for the last few years. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a terrible compromise. I think I would
Speaker 1: probably lean a little closer to you and say twenty one,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, what do you think of that compromise.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a start, but I think even there's
Speaker 3: no real way to enforce it, honestly, But even just
Speaker 3: doing solo work, I mean, it still can be so
Speaker 3: damaging for a mental health, for your body image, for.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 3: And I obviously say that as someone who does adult work,
Speaker 3: but I mean I started when I was twenty. I
Speaker 3: did stripping before, But I look back at myself at eighteen, like,
Speaker 3: if I would have gone into this at eighteen, like,
Speaker 3: I don't even know what would have happened to me.
Speaker 3: At the very least, you need a very very strong
Speaker 3: support system with who you can be honest with about
Speaker 3: And because going into an eighteen with those support system
Speaker 3: and you're to everyone about it, like, that's just automatically
Speaker 3: setting yourself up for failure because you don't have any direction.
Speaker 3: You can get manipulated very easier if you're vulnerable. So
Speaker 3: I get the concept, but I don't think forcing people
Speaker 3: to just do solo work would make that big of
Speaker 3: a difference, because there's so many other aspects that can
Speaker 3: just get to you that really takes like life experience.
Speaker 3: Like you said it it's a blanket statement. There are
Speaker 3: plenty of eighteen year olds who are like would just
Speaker 3: rock it out and be completely steady and fine, just
Speaker 3: like there's plenty of girls in my age who could
Speaker 3: start in this industry and just crumble. So obviously, yeah,
Speaker 3: age is a number, but also you know, we're looking
Speaker 3: at overall statistics and the way that these young adults.
Speaker 1: Are totally totally makes sense. What's your favorite? Okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you on your of do you do custom
Speaker 1: videos or are we doing strictly camming?
Speaker 3: I do customs. I have my life right now mainly
Speaker 3: as just answer anything. Like I said, I'm not making
Speaker 3: me being not my focus, but I have so much
Speaker 3: fucking content from over the years and I guess just
Speaker 3: sitting on my computer, so honestly, lots of PPV. But
Speaker 3: I love doing customs. That's probably on all of my
Speaker 3: main revenue, especially because I do have a lot of
Speaker 3: like fetesh Fians and very specific niches that these guys
Speaker 3: want to see.
Speaker 1: I all right, I'm starting to ask this question to
Speaker 1: everyone too, how do you Okay, if you get a
Speaker 1: request for a five minute video or ten minute video
Speaker 1: or something where you're talking a lot, right, and mind you,
Speaker 1: I do this, I talk a lot as is, But
Speaker 1: if you like request a custom video for me, You're like, oh, Matt,
Speaker 1: I want a video tell me how great my hair is.
Speaker 1: I would spend about ten seconds telling you how great
Speaker 1: your hair is, and then I would be out of
Speaker 1: content to talk. I'd be like, it's so red and
Speaker 1: beautiful and looks so soft. Oh, how do you like
Speaker 1: if someone has a specific request, like, you know, talk
Speaker 1: to me about how much you like this? How do
Speaker 1: you stretch that as long as you need to to
Speaker 1: kind of meet the requirements.
Speaker 3: I haven't had a whole lot of very difficult ones lately.
Speaker 3: I will script stuff sometimes and I have to and
Speaker 3: then take the video in chunks if it's super detail,
Speaker 3: like I've gone on requests where it's like an entire
Speaker 3: page long just for the requests, and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: I'm charging it just for me to read that first
Speaker 3: of all, because at that port it's like a freaking movie.
Speaker 3: So I do scrap stuff out sometimes, but to fill
Speaker 3: dead space. I mean, those guys aren't getting that compcased.
Speaker 3: So if they're like, hey, talk, you know, tell me
Speaker 3: how my hawk is whatever, I'll like say something and
Speaker 3: then be like oh yeah, like tea, like stretch it
Speaker 3: out teasing. I mean, I know you don't want me
Speaker 3: to talk the entire time anyway, So yeah, really difficult ones.
Speaker 3: I will literally write script out. But other than that,
Speaker 3: I mean, I know my audience and they're not going
Speaker 3: to be bothered if I don't talk for a couple
Speaker 3: of seconds of the finished yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, fair enough. I just always think like
Speaker 1: if I bought a custom video, I would want that,
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't know how to deliver that myself personally
Speaker 1: at all. Like I got about three compliments, the.
Speaker 2: Guy will not notice and they will not care.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, no, if you look like you, they won't
Speaker 1: notice and they won't care. If I were to do
Speaker 1: a custom video, they would vomit.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's something for everyone.
Speaker 1: That that really is true. You know that there you
Speaker 1: will always find someone who likes you if you put
Speaker 1: yourself out like this in a way, And that's what's
Speaker 1: kind of cool about this. It's it's you know, if
Speaker 1: I came in as a girl who didn't look great,
Speaker 1: but I really wanted to get into this. You can
Speaker 1: work on yourself and you do whatever, but at some
Speaker 1: point you have to put yourself out there and go
Speaker 1: who wants who wants me? And the cool thing is
Speaker 1: there will be guys who reach out and go I do.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in that. I like seeing this content. I
Speaker 1: like your look, I like whatever.
Speaker 3: And it's so subjective on looking good. I mean you
Speaker 3: think like the most conventionally hottest girls are going.
Speaker 2: To do the best, and that's absolutely not the case.
Speaker 3: You know, whatever your look is, as long as you
Speaker 3: take care of yourself and you present yourself properly. I mean,
Speaker 3: it could be one hundred pounds, you could be two
Speaker 3: hundred pounds, you'd be whatever you look like. It truly
Speaker 3: does not matter. The only thing that matters is, like
Speaker 3: you said, take care of yourself. You know, whatever image
Speaker 3: or portraying you know, present yourself well, take care of
Speaker 3: your skin, take care of your health. It really does
Speaker 3: not matter. Like there were so many, it truly doesn't.
Speaker 3: And especially something like can't you think, well, you know
Speaker 3: she's blonde, petite bo she's going to do the best, like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: but if she can't even hold a conversation, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, if she's on her phone the
Speaker 1: whole time and like doesn't work, doesn't talk, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: she's not gonna do great, not as good as the
Speaker 1: girl who's not quote unquote like the movie star, who
Speaker 1: is performing, who's reaching out to people, who's you know
Speaker 1: how Okay, last question for you here, how do you
Speaker 1: keep yourself in the shape you keep yourself in, because
Speaker 1: it's fucking incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I stopped drinking, like I said, well, not completely.
Speaker 3: I'll have a drink every once in a while, but honestly,
Speaker 3: I was drinking like I would have three to five
Speaker 3: drinks a night, every single night. It just became a
Speaker 3: habit more than anything, honestly, because when I stopped, I
Speaker 3: thought it'd be a lot harder than it was, and
Speaker 3: I realized, honestly, over half of it was just like
Speaker 3: having a drink, having something to do at night. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I went from that too. I've drink, you know, my
Speaker 3: Birthday and Christmas over the onse November first, so I
Speaker 3: was a big part of it. Anymore consistent in the gym.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't do anything crazy. I don't track colleries.
Speaker 3: I you know, make sure I get enough protein and
Speaker 3: make sure I eat healthy eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, alcohol was Alcohol is a big one
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: During COVID, I was to the point where I was
Speaker 1: like half a handle at night, just but but you
Speaker 1: know what, then I quit, I stopped. I can still
Speaker 1: have the occasional drink too, Like you said, it just
Speaker 1: was like boredom for me. I was like, well, if
Speaker 1: I'm just oh yeah, that's good. Yeah, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to sit around for five hours watching TV or something,
Speaker 1: there's nothing else I can go out and do, must
Speaker 1: as well just have a drink with it, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right?
Speaker 1: Was that did that? And if it's too personal, cut
Speaker 1: me off. But did that play into your burnout from
Speaker 1: the last time we talked at all, because I know
Speaker 1: at one point you said I got a little burnt
Speaker 1: out and now I'm coming back hard.
Speaker 3: I don't think that was at all. I really think
Speaker 3: it was trying to force my off into a corner
Speaker 3: of the industry that I just it wasn't me, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to make of We're trying all avenues and marketing everything,
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the heck, bro, If I
Speaker 3: would have taken camming seriously in COVID, like I would
Speaker 3: not even be here right now. But that was probably
Speaker 3: the biggest part of the burnout, was like, you know,
Speaker 3: doing so much work for so little return when it
Speaker 3: just and it wasn't that I wasn't good enough, My
Speaker 3: content wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: That just wasn't my lane, gotcha?
Speaker 3: So whereas now I can work, you know, thirty forty
Speaker 3: yards a week on cams and I'll get burnt out
Speaker 3: because I enjoyed an a excelid it very cool?
Speaker 1: All right? Last question? Where what does the future hold
Speaker 1: for us? Where do we see this going? Is it?
Speaker 1: Are we just growing the cam sites now as big
Speaker 1: as we can? Do you have any other pivots you
Speaker 1: may want to consider going forward? What do you think
Speaker 1: the future holds for us here?
Speaker 3: I mean, camming is my thing, and I think it's
Speaker 3: just growing on that. It would be cool too, and
Speaker 3: I have no idea how that's to pan out. But
Speaker 3: you know, we were talking about like education before, get
Speaker 3: into some sort of educational or coroaching aspects of new
Speaker 3: girls coming into the industry regardless of age. But I
Speaker 3: enjoyed teaching a lot. I teach some in my trading community,
Speaker 3: So I think that'd be very beneficial and helpful to
Speaker 3: get into in theodal industry, especially with women who already
Speaker 3: don't have seemingly enough resources for help in those areas
Speaker 3: because it's so like taboo to talk about too. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I hear girls talk all the time about
Speaker 3: going to therapy, and it's like therapy doesn't even help
Speaker 3: because they're not sex worker friendly or don't understand it,
Speaker 3: like it's such a different.
Speaker 1: Thing.
Speaker 3: So that'd be cool. Obviously, that's lay down the road.
Speaker 3: But then yeah, other than not just stave up by
Speaker 3: a nice piece of property, get the fuck away from everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a hell of a plan. My
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