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Speaker 1: Get command, don't get supremely magxilling. Hey, everybody, welcome to

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the first edition of Matt Connorton Unleashed AF. And if

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you don't know what AF stands for, just ask someone

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younger than you. But of course, the radio version of

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the show remains intact. But we've been teasing this, actually

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for months and months and months, an online version of

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the show, kind of getting back to our roots, the

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podcast version where we would speak about politics and other things,

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completely uncensored and unfettered and unleashed from the constraints of

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FM terrestrial radio or any kind of management oversight and

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so forth. So enjoining me for the first time in

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a very long time, my favorite conservative, Eric Pilcher is here.

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Speaker 2: Hello Eric, Hello Matt. I don't know if I'm a

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conservative anymore, though, you know, I've had a lot of

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people say I'm not. Unfortunately, I think I I think

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I like the title independently conservative.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, interesting. Yes, I have a family member who

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has said many times that you ser are not a

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true conservative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's rather unfortunate. I mean I will say that

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I'm conservative leaning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been having a little bit of a crisis

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with that. On my own, because as you know, I

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like to call myself an independent. But in the voting

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booth on election day, I just voted right down the ballot.

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I just voted for all Democrats. And I don't like

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being tethered to a party because of all the preconceptions

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that come with that from other people and so forth.

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Ben I don't really like being part of a club.

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But at the same time, I don't think I mean,

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unless there's a massive course correction in the Republican Party

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and unless they get the MAGA out of it, it's

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entirely likely that I don't vote for another Republican again

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in my lifetime, and the independence that do pop up

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usually end up being crazy anyway, like RFK or Jill Stein,

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the Green Party candidate, who I know the media doesn't

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pay much attention to anymore, but she may very well

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be a Russian asset, so you know, so I might

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just go back to just calling myself a Democrat. I'm

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registered as a Democrat, so I also I have this

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struggle in terms of political identity.

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Speaker 2: I do as well. I'll say on my end, I

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didn't vote straight Republican in the state of Iowa. I

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voted straight Republican. I have no problem saying this by

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numerous numerous issues with with this individual. I did vote

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for Kamala Harris. The big thing is is it was

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a business decision. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I work for

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a branch of the government that Donald Trump wants to privatize. Now,

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as ridiculous as that sounds, and his as ridiculous as

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it would be, if he even tried to accomplish it,

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he would fail miserably. It's still a fear. And I

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have to vote with my I have to vote with

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my finances, in benefits in my future because I have

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a pension. I have a four oh one k I.

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not worry about.

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Speaker 1: Money, right, right of course?

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Speaker 2: And you know so so yeah, I and the Project

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twenty twenty five just scared the scares of daylights out

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of me. Yeah. I mean I read nineteen eighty four

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and there's some real George Orwellian stuff in there. Yeah,

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and you look at so Yeah. There were a lot

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of reasons why, but the primary one was I got

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to look out for my finances. On the flip side,

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I did not agree with her economic policy. We very

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little she shared, and I'm sure we will get into that. Yeah,

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you know, there's a lot of things. And I think

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very early, actually, Tuesday night, I was watching and I'm like,

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by god, he's gonna win this. I think the writing

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was on the wall very early.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a sinking feeling pretty early.

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Speaker 2: You. I didn't have a sinking feeling. I was just

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like I thought we were. I thought it was going

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to be closer. And so that night when I got

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off work, I get a lot of statistical digging. And

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if anyone went down that rabbit hole, they should have

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had the same assumption that they should have had an

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idea of what happened Tuesday night is going to happen,

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because yeah, it was all right there.

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Speaker 1: I was cautiously optimistic going in oh And part of

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what contributed to my optimism was the state of Iowa.

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I remember messaging you about it. That poll that did

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seem too good to be true, but that weird point

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Iowa that showed her like like or something.

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Speaker 2: I show you. I saw the poll before you messaged me. Yeah,

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pretty flip it in my response to you on it.

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I'm like, well, we shall see, because I looked at

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the numbers and I'm like, this does not make any

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form of conceivable sense in this state.

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Speaker 1: Except refresh my memory. Tell me if I'm getting this

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right or not. Didn't he not do great in the primary?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: Didn't Nicky Haley. I don't think she beat him. I

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don't think she beat him anywhere. But didn't she do

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respect respectably?

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Speaker 2: We did it? She did enough to keep the train

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rolling to New Hampshire. Yeah, I will say at the

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caucus in my area, and I've went over that whole

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snaff who I heard from many people that in many

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caucuses Trump was three to one for every three Donald

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Trump supporters, there was one Nicky Haley supporter. I heard

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when you got when you went into southern Iowa, she

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wasn't viable. Okay, So once you got into our heavy

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farming areas, she wasn't viable. I think the viability for

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her came from areas such as Des Moines, Theater, Rapids,

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Iowa City. I think that's where a good portion of

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our viability carried over in Iowa and kind of gave

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her a sense of false hope. But pulling in Iowa,

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in my opinion, has always been vastly hard to predict

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what's accurate and what's not for the simple fact that

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we're like a state torn we are very much either

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metropolitan or farming.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: And you and when people and when these companies pull

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magazines and colleges and what have you, when they pulled,

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they do not take that into account. They really randomized. Say,

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Iowa should actually be split. If you're gonna pull Iowa,

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you should pull Iowa City, Cedar Rapids, Des Moines, Waterloo,

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Cedar Falls. You should. You should do all the major cities, Davenport, Bettendorf, Council, No,

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not council Pluck. You should do the urban areas as

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their own pole and then move to the farming communities,

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and then you would see the great variance that happens there. Well.

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Speaker 1: In a sense, though, I think you could probably say

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that about most states, because urban urban centers tend to

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be more liberal and rural areas tend to be more conservatives.

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electoral college map, it looks like, you know, there's so

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much red. Of course Trump did so well, that's also

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part of why there's a lot of red, But even

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even just when a Democrat wins it. You know, it

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looks very because those urban centers are so concentrated. But

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here in New Hampshire, it's it's interesting. We like to

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really split things up. You know, we just elected a

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new Republican governor, but our congressional delegation remains Democrats. And

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of course we always you know, we went for Kamala Harris.

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We haven't gone Republican in a presidential election since two thousand.

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We went for Bush in two thousand. Since then, it's

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been blue ever since. I don't think they even really

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I haven't heard us referred to as a swing state

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in a while.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we used to be.

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Speaker 1: We used to be, yeah, but I think I mean,

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at this point, I think we've pretty well assimilated into

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the rest of the northeast Iowa.

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Speaker 2: I believe it is still considered a swing state by

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some outlets and some government figures, but realist stickley, we

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shouldn't be. We are a Republican state. And at the

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end of the day, and when I said that you

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really need to split this state, I was talking if

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you're pulling in regards to straight Republicans, because that's where

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the divide comes in the farming areas are not going

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to a majority of them in Iowa are not going

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to go Democrat. It just isn't gonna happen. So you

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can go to areas like solin Urbandale, Fenterville, Council Bluffs

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and you're gonna get just it's gonna be Red Kingdom.

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then you get into the metropolitan areas and they the

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farming areas are overwhelmingly read, the metropolitan areas are split.

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I would say in Cedar Rapids for every one Trump

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sign I saw, I saw a Harris sign. H it's

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pretty even. And that's the same for des Moines on

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Iowa City, on down on down the line, Waterloo, maybe

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not because they're more of an urban area, a lot

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very diverse area Waterloo is, so maybe not there, but

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aims where Iowa State University is, that's considered a farming

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community probably I would say seventy thirty Trump Okay, So

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it's it's very Iowa was very bizarre, and that's why

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I think a lot of importance is put not on

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winning Iowa, but how do you perform in Iowa? Yeah,

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because if you can be viable in Iowa, that proves

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you can cater to many different people of many different backgrounds.

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If you're not viable in Iowa, that's why after the

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Iowa caucuses, I feel you see so many people drop out.

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cornucopia potpourria people, Right, where do I go?

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Speaker 1: Well, some candidates just skip Iowa entirely, Yes, but Iowa

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can be an important springboard. I still vividly remember in

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two thousand and four when it really looked like it

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looked like Howard Dean was going to win all these

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primaries and caucuses and become the nominee, and then all

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of a sudden, John Carrey, out of nowhere, captures the

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Iowa caucus and then goes on to win the New

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Hampshire primary, and then next thing you know, Dean was

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I can't stay long but not forgotten because of that

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sound that he made. But but Dean was very quickly

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left in the dust. So Iowa can be very important

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that way. But it's it's always interesting every cycle every

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four years to see which candidates place a heavy bet

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on Iowa and which ones just say no. We're going

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to focus on New Hampshire first in the nation, or

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whoever is first in the nation, because Biden didn't want

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New Hampshire to be first anymore. But anyway, Yeah, So,

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so you were pretty skeptical obviously about that poll, and

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I was, I was, I was being cautiously optimistic, but

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so did you. So in uh on your ballot, so

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you voted for Kamala but everyone else Republican, Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, everyone else Republican.

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Speaker 1: Was Kim re I know Kim Reynolds is very popular.

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Was she up for she is?

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Speaker 2: No, she will be twenty twenty six, Okay, okay, and

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good luck, good luck, good luck to anyone trying to

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unseat her. Well, yeah, because I mean, you've got to

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look at Iowa's history. We had Terry Brand's STAD for

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so long. Yeah, and then we had Check Culver for

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a little bit, and and then yeah, then Kim Reynolds

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came in. And Kim Reynolds was actually lieutenant was deputy

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governor to Terry Brand's dada, So you yah had that

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and I actually think Brand's dad came in. He came

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in again a little for I think a term after

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chat okay, and then Kim Reynolds came into.

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Speaker 1: Play because was very popular too.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I mean Branstead's kid had so multiple

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dwi's in like his family values were called into question,

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and that still couldn't unseat him. And I'll say I

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ate lunch with Terry Brandstad once and very endearing guy.

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Actually I was in college and he gave me his

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card and said if I ever needed anything, call him.

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And I was doing an article about MMA in Iowa

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and how they were trying to deregulate it and the

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two the two representative spearheading it wouldn't get back to me.

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So I shot in the dark, called him and left

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a message, and I want to say, within two and

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a half days he got back to me and actually

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remembered me from this media conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's good and.

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Speaker 2: He so I will always have kind of a special

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place for Terry Bryant's Stead.

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Speaker 1: For that that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I won't. I won't say you can argue

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as policies and everything, but to do that for a

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young man when I was a young man at a

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community college out of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, you know that

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that's something not seen.

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Speaker 1: So should we should we talk about you had you

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had messaged me and you said, and uh, this will

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in some ways. But you had said that you blame

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and I do too. Fundamentally.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of blame. Oh there, yeah, a

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lot around in this.

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Speaker 1: A lot of things went wrong here, I did.

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Speaker 2: I think, I as succinctly as I could said it

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on the Facebook status what I felt went wrong one

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Kamala Harris was not likable.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you there, but but but go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you gov. And I'm looking at it right

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now on five thirty eight, which is the only side

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I trust. Yeah, in regards to statistical analysis, I.

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Speaker 1: Was looking at five thirty eight quite a bit leading

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up to the election. I know exactly what you mean, yep.

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Speaker 2: I mean because five thirty eight was probably the only

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website that was without showing any favoritism saying this could happen. Yeah,

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I mean, they're the numbers were pretty spot on. I mean,

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she was favorable forty seven percent, uh fifty one percent

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unfavorable according to YouGov. And that was November sixth, and

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that was right around election time. Biden, according to Atlas Intel,

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had a fifty five percent disapproval rating. His disapproval rating

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went up by thirteen points if we look at the

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same Paul Trump's favorability was forty nine fifty unfavorable. But

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the margin of error is one. Yeah, so we really

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had a country split. Chris Christy on election night, because

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I watched ABC for the coverage, Chris Christy said something

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very intelligent. He said, sixty percent of Americans don't like

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the way the country's going, seventy percent of Americans. I

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don't know where he got the seventy percent from, but whatever,

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he said, seventy percent of Americans do not like Donald Trump.

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This election came down to which side was going to

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pull people over, right, And what happened is seventy percent

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that seventy percent that disliked Trump disliked the way the

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country was going more. Yeah, and that's what happened. And

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there's a lot of things. I think Kamala Harris only

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having one hundred and seven days to run.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was a compressed campaign. I actually

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thought that might work to her advantage in some ways.

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Speaker 2: If they would have let her hire her own staff,

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which they did not do. She inherited Joe Biden's team.

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Speaker 1: And and and she didn't even get all of them

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from what I understand, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because he took some of them for his transition team,

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right right, So she didn't even have a full staff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Another thing, if I had to say, in my opinion,

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when the kill shot occurred on Kamala Harris and kill

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shots probably the wrong word to use. When when the

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death blow occurred.

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Speaker 1: Well, death blow is not much better, but well, at

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least that doesn't sound like a gun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, when the when? The when? When? When the uh?

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When the plug was pulled?

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Speaker 1: Well, now, way how you make it sound like this was?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: This we euthanized her.

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Speaker 2: You know what? When when I felt she was done,

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then did you miss me? Eric Brightly? When I felt

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he was done, when I was like, oh man, this

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person is in trouble. Donald Trump and people you can't see,

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but I am doing air quotes. Was working at McDonald's

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on that very same day. Kamala Harris was on the

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view taking where You're going, taking some very softball answers,

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taking some very softball questions. He was asked one question

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that stood out.

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Speaker 1: To me, I know where you're going.

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Speaker 2: If you could change any decision made by the Biden

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administration the last four years, what would it be. He

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paused to think about it and then turn and said

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two words, absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was awful, And you know what's

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so maddening about that. That was like you said, it

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was a softball. And any professional politician knows how to

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pivot and what she should have done, in my opinion,

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has said something like, well, I'm not focused on on, uh,

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you know, revisiting or rehashing the decisions that we've made.

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I'm focused on taking what we've accomplished in the Biden

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Harris administration and building on that and continuing to move forward,

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or something like that. That would have been an easy pivot.

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Any professional politician, you know, a state rep in New Hampshire,

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would be able to pull that off. But for some reason,

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in that moment, it's like she.

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Speaker 2: Got she thought, she paused to think that I.

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Speaker 1: Know, and that Yeah, that was terrible. That was a

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terrible moment. And what's even worse, she then circled back

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and tried to clean it up later. And that was

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the biggest awkward, the big.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta give credit here to my friend Jordan

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Turchka Cychlic. He gave me this analogy and I'm running

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with it. The biggest dog ate my homework. Reason. I

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didn't want to show disrespect to Joe Biden. So bad Kamala.

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That's politics. Hurdle the weak, trample the dead. Kamala. He's

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a lame duck. But you you as your race to run.

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Speaker 1: But she didn't even have to do that though, Like

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I said, she could have just pivoted and said because

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that's what I mean, that's what any normal politicians would

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have done in that moment, is just pivoting because as

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you know, Eric, I mean, rule number one in politics,

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you never answer the question that was asked. Nope, you

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answered the question that you wish had been asked. If

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they happen to match up, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: Unless you're Donald Trump on Joe Rogan. Well, yeah, you

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just answer every question. And I think and we'll get

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to that later because I want to touch on that

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because yeah, but no, I totally agree she should have pivoted.

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The best answer would have been whenever you look back

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on any term of service, you always have regrets. I

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regret and I apologize to the American people. I did

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not serve to the best of my capabilities.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think that would have worked.

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Speaker 2: It would have worked better than absolutely none.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with that. I still think, respectfully, I

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think my idea is a little better.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but there is still some because I looked

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at it and I'm like, what a stupid response. But

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then I thought about it more, and it's like, what

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an insensitive response you have? An I get it. You know,

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poor economy, good economy is always on the sitting office. Yes,

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and it might not necessarily even be their fault. A

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little bit of a schoolhouse rock politics for you there,

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for those uninitiated.

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Speaker 1: It's almost never their fault in my opinion, which puts

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me at odds with I think ninety nine point nine

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percent of Americans. But I write, I think we're a

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nation of low information voters who don't understand a damn

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thing about the economy.

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Speaker 2: But that's look up tariffs. People understand what these are

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moving on. It's he should have at the very least

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showed sensitivity towards the American people that can't afford food, Yeah,

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that are having to choose between medications or a square meal, right,

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that can't afford to drive to work, that can't afford

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to clothe their Yeah, that was very tone deaf and

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very insensitive. But if I'm going to be honest, tone deaf,

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is the Democratic Party as a whole right now?

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Speaker 1: Right now? I would say, for a long time my

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biggest problem because you know, I'm I lean left, I'm

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you know, kind of pretty liberal in a lot of ways.

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So I end up voting for Democrats, And like I said,

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I don't know if I'll ever vote for another Republican.

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But the Democratic Party is horrendous at messaging, horrendous, and

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on the very rare occasion that somebody comes along that

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actually is able to communicate effectively, what happens. They end

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up serving two terms as president, whether it be Bill

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Clinton or Barack Obama, two Democrats who Wow, imagine that

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actually understood how to explain things to people, how to

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communicate to the American people. But almost every other Democrat

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it's like they can't like this. Well, the thing is

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the fundamentals of this economy are actually very good, and

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when you look at inflation, we've done better than almost

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the entire rest of the world with inflation in terms

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of this post pandemic hangover, and now inflation is stabilized, so,

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you know, but they can't they can't communicate any of that.

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They can't figure out how to communicate. I mean, my god,

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when we talk about immigration, you know, and Trump wants

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to you know, I don't want personally, I don't like

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the term illegal aliens. I call them undocumented immigrants. But

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Trump wants to deport them all. And of course people

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are like, yeah, I get rid of them all. And

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it's like, well, actually, if you were to do that,

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if you were to literally do that, even though it's

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impossible it's not gonna happen anyway, but if you were

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to literally do that, that would be devastate, devastating to

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the economy. But Democrats can't explain that to people because

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Democrats can't explain anything.

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Speaker 2: So it's so frustrated. It's it's the term is thrown

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around a lot lately. Man splaining. They man splain to

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their constituents, and they talk down to them as if

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you should know this, but let me take time out

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of my day to teach you something. They cater towards

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their one percent. They cater towards that elite group, and

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that's just so horribly misguided because you sit there and

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you watch Kamala Harris and you want you I watched

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a couple of her rallies. Actually, the SPAN did a

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great job of showing the rallies in their full dumpster

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fire glory.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought I thought some of those

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rallies were pretty good. I thought she ran a decent

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campaign overall.

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Speaker 2: For I think she did.

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Speaker 1: I think she improved. I was very skeptical in the beginning,

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let me put it that way, but I think she

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did the best she could with a very compressed time

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frame that she had.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Yeah, that one and seven days,

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And you know, a lot of me is I don't know.

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I sit here and I scroll through social media and

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I see a lot of anger. And that happens when

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you lose. I'm a sports fan. When you lose, you're

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mad at the world. But there's this vitriol coming from

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the left, and I get some of it. Not every

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single person, and this might shock you, not every single

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person that voted for Donald Trump is homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic,

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or a misogynist. They're just not. We have this privilege

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and this I feel it's a civic duty to go vote.

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That's what makes us different than other countries. That's what

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puts us, in my opinion, a step above other countries.

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We have the right to say and it takes maybe

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thirty minutes out of your day to go and check

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the box. Yeah, you know, it doesn't matter. I don't

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care if you vote because you like the color someone

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wre you voted, you had your say. If you voted,

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you had your say and you lost. I get it.

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You have family members that are LGBTQI or a minor

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already there's a little bit of fear. But to attack

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those that just voted for their best interests what voting

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really is about, is wrong. And I mean, I just

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I have this issue with it. And to be fair,

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I had an issue when Trump's supporters did it four

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years ago, saying things that's not my president, or good work. Look,

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one of the favorite ones is good work libertads. It's like, look,

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the only way the government does everything you don't want

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them to do is if we are so divided, we

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can't we can't even be in the same distance with

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each other. That's how they have their That's how they

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get the power to do the things that scare us

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and you. I I have had conversations with friends that

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are Democrats over this. Once they got over their complete

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a gas that I voted for Kamala Harris, I explained

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to them why she lost and just again, the numbers,

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the numbers do not lie. This was this was a

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giant stamp of disapproval on the Democratic Party as a whole.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you know Trump. I mean he

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took all the swing states, every single one of them.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt, man, not to Kamala Harris didn't. Wasn't

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the And I really disliked the coverage on election night

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on that It was Kamala underperformed here, here, and here

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and here come. And Kamala underperformed every area, every city

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in the United States that Joe Biden performed performed in

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twenty twenty. Yeah, and it's like, no dig deeper. Every

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Democrat underperformed every benchmark from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing they didn't show up. I mean

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the numbers of Democrats who voted was so much, I

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mean so much lower. This time.

473
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 2: They even underperformed from twenty twenty two. Yes, which is

474
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,679
astounding giving given the given the low turnout of twenty

475
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,960
twenty two for Democrats, and the just just the gravity

476
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,800
of this election. It's one thing to be upset if

477
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,840
you voted. It's another thing entirely to be upset if

478
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920
you just sated home on your hands and watch the

479
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,199
results roll that roll in and say, oh gee, this sucks.

480
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about I suspect we'll agree

481
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:26,400
on this, But there are those who are beginning to say, oh,

482
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,800
maybe Biden should have stayed in because of the way

483
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,360
that Kamala underperformed.

484
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,079
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a bad idea to change horses midstream.

485
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,920
My opinion on that is, I think that's silly, because

486
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,320
at least with Kamala we had a chance. Whereas I mean,

487
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920
I'm not good at math, but I think I understand

488
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,559
some of the basic tenets of probability theory. With Biden,

489
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,000
we had zero chance. As soon as that what debate happened,

490
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,199
we had the chance of beating Trump went to zero

491
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,079
with Biden. So at least with Kamala we had a chance.

492
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,000
Because on the night of that debate with Trump and Biden,

493
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,000
I said it on social media too. I said it

494
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,719
was like Biden was handing the keys to the White

495
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,000
House in real time over to Trump and said, here,

496
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,760
you take it. In January, it was that bad. And

497
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,719
at least when Kamala became the nominee, there was a

498
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,360
burst of energy, there was some excitement, there was some enthusiasm,

499
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,800
and some relief didn't pan out. But but I don't

500
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,800
I don't think it would have made any sense at

501
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,440
all to stick with I don't. I think if we

502
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,719
had stuck with Biden, it would have been a literal landslide.

503
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,840
I think Trump actually could have turned for maybe only

504
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,079
one cycle, but a couple of blue states read I

505
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,440
think I think people were that.

506
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have even gotten to Pennsylvania. Yeah,

507
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,960
I think Pennsylvania would have been the big to do it,

508
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:50,039
was right. I think the Midwest, Yeah, the Midwest would

509
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,840
have done it. I mean, he wouldn't have gotten to

510
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,079
two seventy obviously, but the numbers would have been just

511
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:05,079
so harrowing, Yeah, and just devastating. Yeah to the party.

512
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been much worse.

513
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: No, I personally think Joe Biden should have been forced

514
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:18,320
out before right after he said I'm rerunning again. Someone

515
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,639
should have taken him into a room, given him a

516
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,840
nice little pudding cup, set him down with some popsicle

517
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,920
sticks and some glue, and said, now, Joe, we're gonna

518
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,599
have craft time and you're gonna sit here and we're

519
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:37,199
gonna talk about this. See here's what you think the

520
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,800
world is. And I would have shown him a picture

521
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,679
of the Teletubbies dancing under a rainbow, and then I

522
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,599
would have then showed him a very scary movie and

523
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,400
been like, this is what the world really is, Joe.

524
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:58,000
And I'm coming off as a complete insufferable individual right now,

525
00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,000
but that's the reality.

526
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: This is the right thing for it. Don't worry about.

527
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:09,039
Speaker 2: They should have forced him out. They should have been like, look,

528
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:13,199
you can stay president, that is fine, but twenty twenty

529
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
four is off the table for you. I think had

530
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,519
they done that.

531
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's basically what happened, though, isn't it. I mean

532
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,360
it took a little while, but they did. It was

533
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,280
so little time. I mean, it was everyone's like, well,

534
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,960
Kamala Harris didn't do Joe Rogan. When did she have

535
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:34,679
the time she should have? In my opinion, she should have.

536
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,079
Speaker 2: I think a Graver mistake for her was not courting rfk.

537
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: Ooh, I don't know.

538
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: That's a third rail, Uh, third rail or not. I

539
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,960
think can helped Trump?

540
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: Do you think so? I think it did that. I

541
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,039
don't think. I don't think it was a factor.

542
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think it's as big of

543
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,960
a factor as as the view was. I don't think

544
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,079
it was as big of a factor as Kamala and

545
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:11,519
not embracing the youth movement by doing the Joe Rogan podcast.

546
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,199
She was actually invited by Barstool Sports to do a

547
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,400
podcast in flat out turn them down. She didn't even

548
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,960
give them the Joe Rogan offer of you can travel

549
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:32,440
to Washington, DC. Yeah, but Trump embraced Joe Rogan, Barsteel,

550
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:39,159
Theo Vaughn, the broken Computer, and they in brochure bro

551
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,119
culture and Matt I actually think he'll agree with me.

552
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:49,079
Bro culture doesn't show up to the polls. They just don't.

553
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,360
But I don't know.

554
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,559
Speaker 1: I think they did this time.

555
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:56,559
Speaker 2: That's what I'm getting at. They did this time because

556
00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,159
they had a bro that they could go with. Can

557
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:07,280
get the guys? Donald Trump brought on stage Dana Bleeping White. Yeah,

558
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,840
I mean there is I love Dana White to death,

559
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:15,880
and I think he is one of the greatest pro

560
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:24,400
sports UH directors out there. What he did to bring

561
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:30,599
sports back during the pandemic, he deserves an award for

562
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:32,440
in my opinion.

563
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have mixed feelings about the guy. I have

564
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,880
some ambivalence about him. There's some things about him that

565
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,119
really bothered me. But I but I get what you're saying,

566
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,199
and I don't. I don't hold it against him that

567
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,639
he loves Trump. I get it in the case of

568
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,519
Dana White, because when UFC was you know, Trump Trump

569
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:53,159
gave in Vegas, gave UFC a venue no.

570
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: Trump Plaza in uh New Jersey as well.

571
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: Oh New Jersey. That's what I'm thinking. I'm sorry, Yeah,

572
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,119
I'm getting mixed up. But yeah, so yeah Trump Trump

573
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:08,199
really helped UFC out early when they were having trouble

574
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:11,719
booking at at venues. So I I get it. You

575
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,079
know that that's a loyalty. Hey, look, if Donald Trump

576
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:17,119
helped me with my business in some way, uh, you know,

577
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:18,440
I might feel the same.

578
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: Saved you from bankruptcy. Let's put this in perspective. You

579
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,280
want to people want to sit here and go after

580
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,639
Dana White for being that. You can go after Dana

581
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:32,079
White for whatever you want. Believe me, he gives he

582
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:34,199
gives people ammunition every day.

583
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, the video of him slapping his wife doesn't say

584
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,320
well with me, But that's a big.

585
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, my thing, my thing, My thing with that was

586
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,480
that's another sub Yeah another day.

587
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that another day, I'm sure.

588
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, personal feelings nonwithstanding, he that Dana

589
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:05,840
White is like the chief you want. Uh, it's Dana Why?

590
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:17,239
Actually no, No, I gotta go with Gana because Dana

591
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,199
lives that bro lifestyle. He lives in a mansion in

592
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Las Vegas. He drives uh six figure car to his

593
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,760
office every day. The man doesn't even have to work anymore.

594
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,480
He has more money than what he knows what to

595
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,079
do with after I never brought him bottom out. He

596
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:49,599
works because he genuinely loves what he does. Yeah so,

597
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,760
and he is one of the hardest working men in

598
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:59,480
professional sports. Uh So, all of that nonwithstanding, I say,

599
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,840
Dave Portnoy's a close second.

600
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

601
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,159
Speaker 2: I think what hurts Stave Portnoy with the Bros Is

602
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,719
his love of Taylor Swift. Oh.

603
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,079
Speaker 1: I think I didn't know that.

604
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a huge swiftye. I think that kind of

605
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,760
takes him down a little bit. I'm a closet swifty.

606
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,559
I don't know if you knew that or not.

607
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't. I admire and respect her, I don't really

608
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:23,119
care about her music.

609
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: One. I think she's I look, game, respects game. Yeah,

610
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,400
he is talented and her songs are catchy. I could

611
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,639
be throwing mail at the post office and you will

612
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,599
catch me singing one of her songs. Yeah yeah, I

613
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:46,679
mean yeah, so Biden, so yeah, But I think we agree.

614
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:48,599
Speaker 1: I mean, Biden obviously should not have run for a

615
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,440
second term.

616
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,119
Speaker 2: No.

617
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,679
Speaker 1: I My my position was, well, you know, when the

618
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:59,159
debate happened, I said, okay, I said this election is over,

619
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:02,280
not not foreseeing that he would get out. I thought, no,

620
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,880
this election's already over. But I but I kind of

621
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,199
thought that before. You know, I always kind of took

622
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,639
the Bill Maher position, because Bill Maher way before anyone

623
00:44:11,639 --> 00:44:14,599
else was was saying that Biden cannot be Trump a

624
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:18,920
second time, because we were watching this man get old

625
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,039
very and the president does age you and I even

626
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,079
I don't know if you did anything like this, Eric,

627
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,199
or if any anyone else listening to this might have.

628
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,920
But I actually went back just for the hell of it.

629
00:44:30,559 --> 00:44:33,079
After that debate, that disastrous debate, I went back and

630
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:35,559
I looked at one of the twenty twenty debates Trump

631
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:40,960
versus Biden, and yeah, he was much much sharper. The

632
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,039
deterioration was impossible to ignore. Don't get me wrong. I

633
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,400
mean in twenty twenty even I mean, he still seemed old,

634
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,639
because he already was old, but he still seemed you know,

635
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,719
and he wasn't as certainly as vibrant and dynamic as

636
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,880
he had been at one time, even in twenty twenty,

637
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:58,599
but he still seemed pretty sharp and you know, and

638
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,519
and and articulate, and you know, held his own certainly.

639
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:08,320
I had no misgivings about Biden watching those two debates

640
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,800
in twenty twenty, other than I thought he let Trump

641
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,320
kind of run over him a little bit more than

642
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,800
he should have, because Trump Trump would often talk over

643
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,159
him and so forth. But overall, I thought he was fine.

644
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,320
But but then, you know, to contrast that with twenty

645
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,360
twenty four, and it's like, no, this guy's this is it.

646
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,880
He's you could.

647
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: You could, but man, you could see it even during

648
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,559
his presidential term.

649
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,639
Speaker 1: Well, I know, that's my that's my point. Like we

650
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:42,159
were watching him get get very old, very fast. Absolutely.

651
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,480
I mean, oh my god, do you remember the moment

652
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,000
in Vietnam? I made fun of him on my show

653
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:50,559
about it when he's he's he says, uh so, anyway,

654
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,679
I got to go to bed, you know, like he

655
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,519
doesn't like he's like fallen asleep at the podium.

656
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: It's like he had no cards to tell him what

657
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:07,159
to do at a breakfast. Yeah, like you and again you,

658
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,519
I think as Americans, I do think we are compassionate people.

659
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,920
Yeah we don't. I don't think we show it, but

660
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,000
I think we are. You don't want to sit here

661
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,079
and be like, I don't want to be that guy

662
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:28,880
that is just ragging on this dude for obvious mental

663
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,159
deficiency here.

664
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy. I mean I

665
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,280
actually I kind of like Joe Biden and a lot.

666
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,800
I mean, I have a lot of criticisms of him,

667
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,280
and I think he was very selfish. I do blame

668
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,119
him for why we have trouble. Yeah. But but but

669
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,559
historically I've always liked him, uh.

670
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:50,039
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he he is a likable guy. He

671
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,320
is that. I won't say he's that guy that you

672
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,280
would want to go out and have a beer with.

673
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,599
That's our that's our president that was elected. That's Donald Trump.

674
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:03,760
That it's what trumpet, That's what Trump caters to. He

675
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,480
wants to give off this image anyway, the guy that

676
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,320
you would want to go to the bar and have

677
00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:16,280
years with. Joe Biden is that uncold that everyone in

678
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,039
the family loves. That's just crazy and does things that

679
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:25,960
are not offensive. But you're just like, oh, that's my

680
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:31,079
crazy uncle Joe. Yeah, you know. And so there is

681
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,079
that affability that Joe Biden has and even had it

682
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,119
during the eight years he was VP to Obama.

683
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and at that time he was still very

684
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,039
much you know, yeah, I mean that that that version

685
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,679
of Joe Biden today. You know, if he could have

686
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,800
somehow reversed the aging process, which none of us can

687
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,880
do unfortunately, I mean, he would, he would have won,

688
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:56,920
you know.

689
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,039
Speaker 2: And the thing is with that is you brought up

690
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:04,480
how the presidency ages. You look at how an aged

691
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:12,440
Barack Obama. It takes a toll. I mean, you look

692
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,920
at what the short time in office did to JFK.

693
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: You you look, he's very sick too.

694
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,159
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but the presidency didn't help. He was

695
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:33,400
just just a shell of himself at the end.

696
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: Even even just a Cuban missile crisis probably took a

697
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:38,000
lot out of him.

698
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:42,519
Speaker 2: My god, oh those seven days. Oh my, we're.

699
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:47,599
Speaker 1: Your team though. Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I wasn't born yet.

700
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,800
I wouldn't want to go through that with you. Jesus.

701
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,519
Speaker 2: No. Imagine being in school and having to do a

702
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:58,519
drill where you get under your desk, not knowing if

703
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,760
it's real or not. And then if I weren't growing

704
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,639
up then and I looked back and realized ducking covered

705
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:09,440
didn't work, I'd be suing some people tools. Somebody's getting

706
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,119
a lawsuit.

707
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,559
Speaker 1: But I mean, as it was, I grew up with

708
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:16,079
a very unhealthy obsession is too strong a word, but

709
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:20,280
an unhealthy preoccupation with the threat of nuclear war. As

710
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,639
I know my parents remember, because I would talk about

711
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,000
it a lot. And that is, by the way, and

712
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,119
I haven't said this out loud to anybody yet, but

713
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,400
one of the I'm trying to find silver linings where

714
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,039
we can with Trump, even though I think Trump is

715
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,079
uh well, he's obviously a felon and an adjudicated rapist

716
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:39,519
and the most obvious con man that I think the

717
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:42,559
world has ever seen, and an insurrectionist and all that.

718
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: But I'm I'm going to give you all of those

719
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,440
except con man. I think Richard Nixon might might be

720
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:55,679
up there in the con man.

721
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I don't know, but I know

722
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:04,079
I sound like I'm setting up a bit, but I'm

723
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:06,320
actually not. I mean completely sincere when I say this,

724
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,480
because you know, we touched on nuclear war a moment ago.

725
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: Right.

726
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: As much as I think it's important to stand up

727
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400
to Putin on Ukraine, and as much as it breaks

728
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,159
my heart to know that in the end it will

729
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,239
evolve been for nothing, because I fully understand, and I

730
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,639
think we all do, Trump is just going to let

731
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:27,360
Putin have Ukraine. But the one silver lining to that

732
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:30,840
is I will be less concerned. Not that I was

733
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,719
particularly worried before, but I will be less concerned about

734
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:39,960
the possibility going forward of a nuclear confrontation with Russia.

735
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:41,440
I will worry about that.

736
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:48,039
Speaker 2: Less, Yes, and with North Korea as well. You know, well,

737
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:48,679
I don't know.

738
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: They may have fallen out of love. I know they

739
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,800
were in love at one time, Trump and Kim Jong yun,

740
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,400
But you know, absence doesn't always make the heart grow fonder.

741
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,480
They may have drifted apart.

742
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: They're like that toxic girl. You keep going back to it. Yeah, yeah,

743
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,679
but I've given my take on the Russia Ukraine situation.

744
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:20,239
It piggybacks off your what you said on your show

745
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:27,079
Putin can take Ukraine, but he can't keep Ukraine? What

746
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:31,320
do you mean? On on Matt Conterton Unleashed, you said

747
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,840
Putin has the ability to take Ukraine, but can he

748
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:41,679
keep Ukraine? And I said, yes, he did. I'm brilliant,

749
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,039
and it is brilliant because you look at no in

750
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:52,320
my I love history. You look at every evil dictatorship.

751
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:59,360
How did it end? It ended because the dictator got

752
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:06,400
greedy and far extended his resources, and then the people

753
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,920
rebel against him, and he has no resources to defend

754
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,239
himself from the people because all of his resources are

755
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,920
everywhere he wants to take over. So I say, look,

756
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,639
Putin have Ukraine, let him let him go have fun. Sorry, Yes,

757
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,519
I know that's cold hearted. Yes I know it's callous.

758
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,719
Yes I know it's disgusting, But at the end of

759
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,960
the day, it will accelerate the end of Putin that

760
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:40,079
much quicker because he will exhaust every resource he has because,

761
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:46,199
if anything, every dictator has narcissism in common, and a

762
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,519
narcissist will always rip their nose off to spite their face.

763
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,920
They will always do it.

764
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,679
Speaker 1: It does break my heart, though, but I'm trying to

765
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,480
but I also realize it's what's going to happen. I mean,

766
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,719
we all know. Look when Trump goes around saying within

767
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,039
twenty four hours, I'll have that solved, we all know

768
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,559
what it means. And Zelensky knows what it means.

769
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:17,679
Speaker 2: But I mean he isn't lying it will be solved. Yeah,

770
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,119
it's not. It's not the solution. Anyone with a heart

771
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,639
months to see app in yere.

772
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: No, I'm really I'm dreading. I'm dreading it. Actually, I

773
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,440
just I mean.

774
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:37,519
Speaker 2: You know what, Matt Saturday Night Live has four years

775
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,119
of material now, oh.

776
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: They sure do, they sure do. And the guy who

777
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,079
plays Trump, now I forget his name, but I love

778
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:46,119
his Trump impression.

779
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: I am. I really wanted my own selfish reason for

780
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,840
wanting Kamala Harris to be elected Maya Rudolph. Oh yeah,

781
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:06,000
and heard Kamala Harris was great, yes, and they could

782
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:11,440
do Kamala Harris on Family Feud with Keenan Thompson as

783
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,639
Steve Harvey every week and I would tune in.

784
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. By the way, about Biden, I've heard a

785
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:26,920
few people say, and I don't think this is right,

786
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,039
but maybe I'm forgetting something, And you tell me if

787
00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:32,519
you remember something I'm forgetting. I've heard a number of

788
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:36,519
people complain that Biden promised that he would be a

789
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:40,000
one term president. I have no recollection of Biden making

790
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:44,800
that promise. I remember him sort of implying it, and

791
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,679
you know when he ran, and I remember I remember

792
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,639
thinking he's implying it, but not saying it explicitly, but

793
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,360
implicitly to try to get people to think that without

794
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,360
making a commitment. But I don't think he ever actually

795
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,199
said I'm only going to serve one term. But do

796
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,920
you remember something that I'm forgetting?

797
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: I agree with you in the sense that it was.

798
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:17,280
It was I'm gonna go. It was heavily implied that

799
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,320
he would be a one term president. I don't think

800
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:28,320
it was ever implicitly said, but it was heavily, heavily

801
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:33,079
heavily implied. And look, we're at a stage where implication

802
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,320
if you don't meet the implication you lied, and unfortunately

803
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,519
that's where we're at. You people can and I'm sure

804
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:50,159
I'm going to get rasked for saying it, but hey,

805
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,480
that's the way it is. If you imply something and

806
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:58,239
don't follow through, you're considered a liar. And that's brass tacks.

807
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,960
That's it. Let me.

808
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinion on something else too,

809
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,199
because I said something to Jenny. She disagreed with me

810
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,360
on this. But I'm curious here.

811
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: If you I'm going to disagree with Jenny scares me. I.

812
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:20,039
Speaker 1: Uh, nobody is saying this, nobody's talking about this, but

813
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,519
I really believe, and uh, I think the young people

814
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:28,320
might call this a hot take. I believe that we

815
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,159
also need to as we're thinking about how we're going

816
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:34,599
to handle the Trump presidency, we also will need to

817
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,039
start thinking about in relatively short order, which might I

818
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,199
mean by short order, it might be a couple of years.

819
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,360
But what I feel is the inevitability of the JD.

820
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,639
Vance presidency, Oh oh d. Because I do not believe

821
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:57,840
lock up the couches. I do not believe that Trump

822
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880
is going to serve until he's eighty two years years old.

823
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:05,079
I do firmly believe that JD. Vance, for that reason,

824
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,159
will be the forty seventh president of the United States.

825
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:11,920
I think it is unavoidable, and I think jd Vance

826
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,239
knows it too. But nobody else is saying this, and

827
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,800
I'm actually surprised because I you know, I don't think

828
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,440
Trump's going to serve until he's eighty two. I'm not

829
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,480
saying he's going to die in office necessarily, but once

830
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,599
he's in the clear, he's fired Jack Smith, he's done this,

831
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,480
he's done that, maybe done some autocratic things. Then he

832
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:34,400
just wants to play some golf and says, Okay, I'm

833
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,840
gonna ride off into the sunset and go play golf,

834
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,440
and then it'll be President Vance. I really do believe

835
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:40,239
that's going to happen.

836
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,719
Speaker 2: I could actually see it, and I actually thought about that.

837
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,480
Matt oh dud I'm not the only one. I'm on

838
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:49,960
the same page. I could see Trump doing it. Yeah,

839
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:55,079
after the midterm, Yes, exactly, He's going to be, for

840
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:59,840
all intents and purposes, a line duck president right at

841
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,639
the midterms. Look, I do think there is Summer Project

842
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:08,079
twenty twenty five that is a complete, in utter, just

843
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,880
complete and utter fear mongering. I think I think they

844
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,159
have these pipe dreams of what they're going to be

845
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:20,480
able to do. Donald Trump will not get a third term.

846
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:30,400
I don't care what hyperbolic view of apocalyptic America you have, right,

847
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:36,639
it will not happen. No, No, So he literally has

848
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:43,320
two years to do everything he wants to do. And

849
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,400
you know, people sit here and say, well, he has

850
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,840
the Senate, and he does.

851
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: He the House?

852
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: He probably he does have the House. It was announced

853
00:58:54,719 --> 00:59:01,960
yeap House. But Republicans control the Halsey. But I do

854
00:59:02,119 --> 00:59:06,840
believe there are still some they don't have his loud

855
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,159
of a voice, but there are still some that have

856
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:15,440
that voice, that voice of dissidence towards Donald Trump in

857
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:22,239
the Republican Party. And I to do the extreme things

858
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,000
that people think he's gonna do, he would need every

859
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,920
Republican on board, and he isn't gonna get that. He

860
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:37,239
just says it. I do think there are some scary things,

861
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:41,679
but I I'm saying this to say, him trying to

862
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:46,320
become a czar, him trying to him saying I will

863
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,840
be the last president you ever vote for. No, that's

864
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,760
not gonna happen. He literally right now is a two

865
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,639
year president because he's a lame doc. He's gonna get whitewashed.

866
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna there's gonna be a blue wave in twenty

867
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,960
six because that's always what happens if when one party

868
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,320
has complete control, the midterms are usually brutal on the

869
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,840
party that has control.

870
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're right, Yeah, And I did say that

871
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,159
in twenty twenty twenty to my cousin. I told him,

872
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,960
I'm like, Biden only has two years. I'm like, so,

873
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:31,320
I'm like, because I believe Democrats had control of the

874
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Senate in a majority of the House, they didn't have House.

875
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,199
Speaker 1: Control, very very thin margin.

876
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:43,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm like, look, it's gonna be he has

877
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,760
two years. And that's the thing is, he really only

878
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,320
has two years. I could see him getting his head

879
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,480
kicked in and I could see the Democrats controlling the House,

880
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,480
controlling the Senate. I think there is going to be

881
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:03,480
a Democratic youth movement because there has to be at

882
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,360
this point. That's the only way you're gonna reinvigorate this base.

883
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,639
I agree, And I could see one of these young

884
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:19,400
gung Democrats stepping up and saying, em, this happened during

885
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,320
these two years. This happened, This happened, This happened, this happened.

886
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:29,400
Hum we could roll these into a new new charges,

887
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,320
and I could just see Donald Trump pulling a Nixon saying, Okay,

888
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,239
you got me, I'm gonna walk off.

889
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, once she's in the clear. Because the whole I mean, well,

890
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,760
I don't want to say the whole reason, but I

891
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,400
do believe the number one priority for him for running

892
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,320
for president this time was to stay out of prison.

893
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,679
Now he can breathe a sigh of relief, he can

894
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,079
he can do what he wants to do for the

895
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,960
next two years and then go. There's also a possibility

896
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,519
all these people who are very concerned about Trump ending democracy,

897
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,559
and people get a little hyperbolic about it. But but

898
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,760
I do understand. But I understand the concerns. I really

899
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,239
do it. I don't take any of it lightly. But

900
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,960
it's also possible that now that he can breathe a

901
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,880
sigh of relief, he might just kind of lay back

902
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,719
and not do not even attempt to do a lot

903
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,519
of what's work people worry about him doing, because he

904
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,639
might just want to play golf, because you know, he

905
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:30,679
is almost eighty years old, and you know these appetites

906
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:35,519
for power and all of it might start to diminish

907
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,840
because you know, you get to that age and you know,

908
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,639
the testosterone levels start to go down, and I mean

909
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,079
there's a reason why people, you know, at a certain age,

910
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:48,199
they have less energy, they have less ambition. You know,

911
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,599
there's biological changes. He's already out of shape. He's clearly

912
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,800
I know he always gets a doctor to say that

913
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,280
he's the healthiest man in the history of the galaxy,

914
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:58,719
but in reality, he clearly is not.

915
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: If you listen to his victory speech, Matt.

916
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:06,719
Speaker 1: I didn't. I couldn't bring myself to do it, which

917
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:07,480
is like me.

918
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: But I was at work, so I could. I was working,

919
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:16,800
so I actually had YouTube TV on my phone and

920
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,280
I was listening to it. He sounded war out.

921
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:22,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

922
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,639
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that the race

923
01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:34,639
is going to be more of more consequence than the victory. Yeah,

924
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,400
I think, knowing what I know about Donald Trump, and

925
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,039
I know I'm not buddies with the guy. I don't

926
01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:44,599
even know him. I've never even I've been in the

927
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:46,440
same room as him once.

928
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: Jenny and I met him back and when he ran

929
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,360
in twenty sixteen. Yeah, well, in twenty fifteen, we met

930
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,440
him at a couple of events here in New Hampshire.

931
01:03:54,519 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what I've read about him, and this is

932
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,199
some people are gonna say, yeah, you're right and think

933
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,800
that I'm ripping on him when I'm really trying not to.

934
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:15,679
He does have a major ego. And the thing with

935
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,000
that is is I think for him, this is a

936
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:27,880
giant fu to everyone that wanted put him in prison,

937
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:33,039
the court cases, all of that, everyone who said he

938
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:36,880
was done politically after the insurrection attempt, after the coup

939
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:45,599
at the Capitol, he we should trademark that, yes, after

940
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:50,079
all of that, for him to come back, if you're

941
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:58,159
a Republican, this is a disneyesque comeback story. And look,

942
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,159
you and people consider here and say it's not a

943
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:05,320
comeback story. He's evil, He's this that you say what

944
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:09,920
you want. But I think that's really why he did it,

945
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,079
is just to prove he could do it.

946
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's I think that's a big part

947
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,400
of it. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

948
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's a line in my favorite movie,

949
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,239
Citizen Kane, at the very beginning in the news on

950
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,920
the March, it's never said, but it's been so many

951
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:38,719
times used. It's on one of the tech screens. Yeah,

952
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,679
it says, if for nothing else, I am an American,

953
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:50,719
Charles Foster Kane. I think no truer words apply to

954
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,039
someone than Donald Trump. If for nothing else, he is

955
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:59,559
an American, and that cannot be argued. The man loves America.

956
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:05,760
He I think he he loves his version of America.

957
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

958
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves his version of America and he and

959
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:16,840
he likes to portray this patriotic person. I guarantee you

960
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:25,760
if some if there's dissonance within his MAGA group, his

961
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,199
MAGA base on something that's proposed, it ain't gonna happen.

962
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,840
And there is a lot of these issues people have

963
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,000
brought up that do hurt the MAGA basse. You can

964
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:43,320
say the Maga bass is hateful and all the other

965
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,639
words I've used. And I would say everyone in their

966
01:06:48,719 --> 01:06:55,960
family has at least one person that is LGBTQI. Every

967
01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:04,079
person has in their family someone that's developmentally disabled, odd's

968
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:05,119
favorite or.

969
01:07:05,199 --> 01:07:07,719
Speaker 1: Just or you know someone or close to someone.

970
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 2: Or you're close to someone. Yeah, yeah, of course, I honestly,

971
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:19,800
and I know some staunch MAGA Republicans very staunch. I

972
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,519
would have a hard time believing that they would stand

973
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:29,239
idly by as Donald Trump some of them would try

974
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:36,280
to eviscerate the rights of people because they are LGBTQ.

975
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:42,039
I I don't see that. I get the fear because

976
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:47,280
the heritage group is very homophobic. I understand that. I

977
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:53,320
get the fear, but fear there's nothing left to fear

978
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,239
but fear itself. I just I don't see him doing

979
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,880
that for the reason that I stayed. Everyone has a

980
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,960
tie to that community or or cares about someone in

981
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,480
that community. And if you can look at someone you

982
01:08:10,719 --> 01:08:17,479
love and and be like, your rights are going to

983
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,960
be stripped away, but don't get them Donald Trump, Yeah,

984
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:30,399
then you're then you might be just as deplorable as

985
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,199
Joe Biden said you were. And I can't believe that.

986
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,279
I cannot and I will not subscribe to that theory.

987
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,119
Speaker 1: You reminded me the reason I was laughing a moment ago.

988
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:44,640
You reminded me of something that I don't think. I

989
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,039
think this is less unless I'm imagining it. Maybe it's

990
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:51,439
my own personal Mandela effect, But no, this happened. I

991
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,479
don't know if you might remember this, Eric, but people

992
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,399
have forgotten about this back in twenty fifteen when Trump

993
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,159
first announced he was right. I mean, he did an

994
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:06,640
event that I think was hosted by glad Or or one.

995
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,880
He did groups with the rainbows in it, and he

996
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,239
and he and he said at the podium he said,

997
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:17,680
I'll be the best friend the LGBTQ. However he put it,

998
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:20,319
I'm sure he mangled it somehow, but I'll be the

999
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,319
best friend you've ever had. And then I think somebody

1000
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,319
got in his ear and said, hey, hey man, you're

1001
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,920
running for the Republican nomination here, you can't do this.

1002
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,159
And because that was the last time, like after that event,

1003
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:33,600
we never saw any of that again.

1004
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: But but we also on the flip side of that,

1005
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,520
we also, if not, we didn't see him do anything

1006
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:50,039
to hurt them or strip away their rights unless I'm

1007
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:52,880
forgetting something, and I could be there was.

1008
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,079
Speaker 1: I remember this. It was on a Friday afternoon, which

1009
01:09:58,119 --> 01:09:59,920
was strange, but I remember it was a Friday. Talking

1010
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,640
about it on the show, he announced on Twitter that

1011
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:06,560
they were gonna get all the trans people out of

1012
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,359
the military or something hey, something to that effect. Now,

1013
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,199
I don't know if I don't think that policy ever

1014
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:17,319
got fully implemented though, because I cannot remember his name now,

1015
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,279
one of the joint chiefs, whoever was in charge of

1016
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:24,600
implementing that, I can picture him, but his name escapes

1017
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,720
me now. But he was slow walking that and it

1018
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,760
was obvious that he was doing it, and I think

1019
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,199
he got away with it because I don't think the

1020
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:34,279
policy was ever implemented. But yeah, he made he made

1021
01:10:34,279 --> 01:10:37,039
it Trump out of nowhere. One day. He didn't even

1022
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,119
talk to them. He just made this announcement on Twitter

1023
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,520
that we're gonna we're gonna kick out all the trans people.

1024
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,279
But I don't think it ever actually happened. But yeah, yeah,

1025
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,159
he tried to do something to slap at them. That's

1026
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:49,439
the only thing I can remember though.

1027
01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he I mean in look, that's wrong again.

1028
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,600
Now keep in mind that we have seen and I'm

1029
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:08,319
just reading this on the ACLU website. Yeah, you know,

1030
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:12,079
there have been some Trump appointed judges rule in favor

1031
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:16,520
of LGBTQ rights in the lower courts. Oh yeah, Justice

1032
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:20,560
Neil Gorsich, who authored both Stocks versus Clayton County five

1033
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:25,520
ninety US six forty four in twenty twenty, our client's

1034
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,319
case establishing that title seven a federal law prohibiting sex

1035
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:34,680
discrimination and employment protects against discrimination based on sexual orientation

1036
01:11:35,359 --> 01:11:41,760
and gender identity. So even if these starts, I find

1037
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,359
it hard to believe that, even though there's a big

1038
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:49,039
deal being made about him appointing all these Supreme Court justices.

1039
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to get he's about to get even more.

1040
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, the Supreme Court

1041
01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:02,399
does not They are not beholden to any politician right.

1042
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:09,239
They are beholden to the law. Does the law law say?

1043
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,079
I might be a hopeless romantic in this sense, but

1044
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,079
I still have hope in the Supreme Court.

1045
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: They I don't not anymore. If you a couple of

1046
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,680
years ago, I might have. But I've I've lost. I've

1047
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,039
lost all hope in the Supreme Court I have.

1048
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,359
Speaker 2: I I can't go that far yet. I still like

1049
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:38,159
to believe that there are there's good in people. And Sure,

1050
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,000
and look, you can disagree all you want with the

1051
01:12:42,119 --> 01:12:51,319
LGBTQ community, you really can. But I think at the

1052
01:12:51,399 --> 01:12:55,039
end of the day, let people live their lives the

1053
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:59,000
way they want to live them. There are there are

1054
01:12:59,119 --> 01:13:04,880
things that I just agree with that I personally have

1055
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:10,399
an issue with. Sure, But if there's dudes that want

1056
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:14,600
to dress up as women. Uh, you keep it out

1057
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,479
of public schools. I'm fine with it. I don't believe

1058
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,279
in the story drag queen story times libraries were having.

1059
01:13:26,119 --> 01:13:29,079
I think if parents want to say no, that is

1060
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:30,960
their right to say no.

1061
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no one's forcing parents to bring their kids to.

1062
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 2: It, right, And I think that's once again one of

1063
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:39,479
those conversations for another day.

1064
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we that would be an interesting thing to

1065
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:42,000
get into.

1066
01:13:42,039 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, but yeah, he so. I I just I

1067
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,439
feel that some of this Yes Project twenty twenty five

1068
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,199
is some scary stuff. I'm the stuff that scares me

1069
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:04,079
is the stuff going into government surveillance, going into stuff

1070
01:14:04,199 --> 01:14:10,159
regarding women's rights, going into those things. I'm not as

1071
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:17,000
worried about LGBTQ discrimination in this administration as I am

1072
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:22,119
about those other things, because yeah, because as it is now,

1073
01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:25,880
people are gonna think what they're gonna think.

1074
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Trump is far more dangerous to UH immigrants,

1075
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,479
for example, as we alluded to earlier, than he is

1076
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,279
too because I don't I don't think Trump is. I

1077
01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:41,039
don't think Trump is. And again I remember that that

1078
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:43,640
one event that he did that was very pro lgbt Q.

1079
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,560
I don't. I don't think Trump is necessarily uh anti

1080
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,680
gay or anything like that, or even anti guarantee he

1081
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,640
feeds him as some of the rhetoric though, but.

1082
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 2: I I well, of course, because that's his base.

1083
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't think. I don't think Trump

1084
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,960
himself actually believes that. You know, you send your kid

1085
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,279
to public school and they come home a different gender,

1086
01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:06,439
and but he'll but he'll say that stuff because he

1087
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:07,159
knows his base.

1088
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 2: Once. Well, of course, you look, that's politics, that's politics, but.

1089
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: It's it's gone to such an extreme though, you know,

1090
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,920
or they're they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs,

1091
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,079
and then that becomes you know, just some people.

1092
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 2: Rocky, they're not really doing that.

1093
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not gonna eat rock and eat Rocky.

1094
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he was dead asleep and he heard uh

1095
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,399
eating dogs and he perked up like what ye Like? No,

1096
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:45,720
he besides, Rocky would just be a ton of fatty tissue.

1097
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,479
He's he's quite overweight and lazy, so he well, yeah,

1098
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,359
he wouldn't be appetizing. Yeah, I don't think.

1099
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:57,520
Speaker 1: But I am more worried about immigrants, and you know,

1100
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,680
Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. That to be his

1101
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,119
crazy stuff, like what are we doing here? You know?

1102
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:07,880
And he's got Stephen Miller, who's back, Steven Miller, who

1103
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:12,760
looks like a James Bond villain, although far more evil

1104
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,479
than probably any James Bond villain.

1105
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,520
Speaker 2: He did announce who one of his joint chief of

1106
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,720
staffs would be.

1107
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:22,359
Speaker 1: I miss that.

1108
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,279
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up right now.

1109
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: He's not gonna have very many people from his first

1110
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,560
administration because most of those people hate him now.

1111
01:16:33,039 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, rightfully, so it is, it is rumored to

1112
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,279
be the guidance went toe to toe with AOC on immigration.

1113
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,920
I don't remember the one that said if I arrest

1114
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:52,239
someone for drunk driving and they have a kid in

1115
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:55,000
the car, the parent is separated from their kid as well.

1116
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:56,479
Are you going to argue that?

1117
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:00,239
Speaker 1: See, I don't. I don't remember who that is, but

1118
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:05,039
you know, the I'm picturing a sixty year old man

1119
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:09,279
with gray hair, but I think that's probably very Yeah,

1120
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,720
a husky, sixty year old man with gray hair. It

1121
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:17,079
just seems like that's that would fit the bill. But yeah,

1122
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:23,960
I can't remember who that is. General Milly Wait Mark

1123
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,079
Milly Mark. Milly is going back no, I can't be.

1124
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:29,039
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, it's not Mark Miller.

1125
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:30,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I was gonna say because I think I think

1126
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:31,560
he's one of the people that.

1127
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,119
Speaker 2: Yes he is. He actually said in Bob Woodward's book,

1128
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:39,560
Trump is the closest thing to fascist we will ever see.

1129
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we won't be saying, General Milly, we could,

1130
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:46,520
that's pretty unlikely.

1131
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:49,079
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a benevolent man.

1132
01:17:49,239 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 3: Matt.

1133
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:59,319
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, Gary forgiving holds no grudges. Sure, sure, yeah, yeah,

1134
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,359
I can't even say that with a straight face. Yeah.

1135
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:09,680
Uh no, Marco Rubio eyed for Secretary of State.

1136
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that. I can see that happening, little Marco.

1137
01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 2: Uh he asked, Oh uh, I remember, I remember the

1138
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,680
happy days when Marco Rubio did not like Trump.

1139
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: I never thought I would pine for the days of

1140
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,640
the Republican Party, of the George W. Bush administration.

1141
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 2: But here we are, hupa Ted, please come back. We

1142
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:46,239
want tedt bring the pinders, bring the pinders and women.

1143
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, he's still in the Senate, obviously,

1144
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,560
but I missed the you know, I mean you know

1145
01:18:54,039 --> 01:18:55,119
I voted for Obama.

1146
01:18:55,159 --> 01:19:01,119
Speaker 2: But Trump asks Representative Mike Waltz to be his National

1147
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:02,880
Security Advisor, Mike.

1148
01:19:03,039 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Mike Waltz, I don't

1149
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:06,720
even know who that is.

1150
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 2: A former Green Beret in China Hawk who emerged as

1151
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,560
a key surrogate for Trump, criticizing the Biden Harris foreign

1152
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,159
policy record during the campaign. He sits on the Intelligence,

1153
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:22,079
Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committee.

1154
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like I should I should be familiar

1155
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:25,760
with him.

1156
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: But honestly, Oh, here's the key thing about him, Matt,

1157
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,079
Sorry to cut you off. He has supported aid to

1158
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:37,159
Ukraine in the past, but has demanded conditions, including increased

1159
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:42,159
spending from European allies, additional oversight of funds, impairing the

1160
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,399
aid with border security measures.

1161
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a poison pill. In other words, well, we

1162
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,039
all we already know where that's headed.

1163
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he wanted to he wanted to provide

1164
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:10,920
Ukraine with Meg fighter planes. I mean, who's gonna fly? Yeah?

1165
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:16,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. No, that's over for Ukraine unfortunately.

1166
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: And we get served. Now. This should give everyone a

1167
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:20,199
ray of hope.

1168
01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: Okay, you remember how you said you.

1169
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Speaker 2: Wanted to go back to the George W. Bush administration.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go back, but I just you did

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you did? I prefer I prefer that version argument.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna say you did. Walt served in various national

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01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:40,920
security policy roles in the Bush administration, including Pentagon and

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White House.

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Speaker 1: See that doesn't give me a ray of hope though,

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because the Bush versus foreign policy was so bad. But

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the good thing about the Bush administration is if you

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had lost to John Kerry in two thousand and four,

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I don't think there would have been an insurrection. So

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you know, that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: On the Capitol man, mhmm, the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Tom Holman, that's a very familiar name.

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Speaker 2: He is Trump's newly announced borders are okay. He is

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the one who went face to face with AOC in

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uh compared immigrants to drunk drivers. Essentially, yeah, I.

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01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Uh, we don't need a borders are We need an immigrationsar.

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01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,279
We need someone who's gonna work on putting it well. Sees,

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01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:46,119
we almost had, we almost had immigration reform and Trump said, Nope,

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don't do that. Don't do that until I'm elected again.

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Speaker 2: Here's here's what he said at that hearing for US.

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Holman said he does not plan to quote separate women

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in children, but acknowledged that deporting alleged criminoals would result

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01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,159
in breaking up families. Quote. When we arrest parents here,

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01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:09,039
guess what, we separate them? The illegal aliens should be

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01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:16,239
no different. Homan said, our new borders are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean my position. I don't

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you know. I'm a left leaning guy, so people probably

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01:22:24,279 --> 01:22:26,319
assume I'm for open borders or whatever. No, I think

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we should secure our border. I also think we need

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to overhaul the entire immigration system. That a lot. Yeah,

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I think we're largely in.

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Speaker 2: Agreeable immigration in this country. For my entire life, and

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01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,560
I'm forty one years old, it's been band aid on

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01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,680
a bullet hole, except the bullet hole is getting bigger.

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01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:46,960
We need to find a way to control it. I

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01:22:47,079 --> 01:22:50,880
don't think breaking up families is the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: No, but we need to not only not only control it,

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01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,319
but make it so that we can see the problem

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01:22:58,399 --> 01:23:02,159
is so many people want to control it by stopping it.

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01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:05,199
They just don't want any more brown people. I mean,

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01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,399
that's not a lot of these people think, and it's like, no,

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01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,319
we need see. I wish the Democrats could figure out

1213
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:16,640
how to message this. We need these immigrants. We need them.

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Our economy is so screwed without them. We absolutely need

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these people in the country.

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Speaker 2: Know what the you know what the Democrats should have done?

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01:23:29,079 --> 01:23:30,479
Hold on, I want to make sure I get the

1218
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,560
title of the movie right, Okay.

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01:23:36,039 --> 01:23:39,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we need these people, whether anyone wants to

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01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:41,920
admit it or not, I mean they should.

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01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,039
Speaker 2: Just for one of Kamala Harris's rallies played the movie

1222
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:52,439
the mockumentary A Day without a Mexican. Yes, and that

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,119
would have some data.

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01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we need immigrants, we need them desperately.

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01:24:02,039 --> 01:24:04,640
Our economy depends on them.

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: But a day without a Mexican Yeah, I mean that

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01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:18,199
would have explained it perfectly. Yes, yes, oh man, I

1228
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,600
should have been her campaign advisor.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't go back.

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01:24:25,039 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I couldn't have done worse.

1231
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, well no, I mean she lost, so you're right.

1232
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I could have carried her to one

1233
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:38,800
swing state victory.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, we might have to talk about probability

1235
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:42,960
theory a little more, but.

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Speaker 2: I could have carried Kamala. I could have been like, listen, listen,

1237
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,840
I have this cute dog. We're just gonna run him

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01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,000
out on stage, don't do anything.

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01:24:56,119 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 1: Well, Eric, we've been on for a while, we should

1240
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,199
probably wrap up. I'm anxious. Ye yeah, I'm anxious to

1241
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,359
get the podcast up online because it's been a long

1242
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:04,720
time since we've been able to do this.

1243
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but now when we've gotten.

1244
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,560
Speaker 1: Back in the saddle, we should do it more often.

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01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:15,239
Speaker 2: I am definitely down. I think. I think if you know,

1246
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:18,479
this is gonna sound ridiculous, but if people really think

1247
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,760
about this, to have two people that have differing views

1248
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,680
sitting down and being able to talk, that's an example

1249
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,960
of what we can do in this country. Oh yeah,

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01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:36,159
and if we just get rid of if we go

1251
01:25:36,319 --> 01:25:40,079
into it with an open mind. Now, I'm not saying

1252
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,159
you should walk into a clan rally and say, hey,

1253
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:47,000
explain to me while you're why you're right. No, not

1254
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:50,920
at all. Please don't do that, because if you are

1255
01:25:51,039 --> 01:25:54,199
certain people, you might not make it out of said rally.

1256
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:59,239
I do not advise that. But what I do advise is,

1257
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:04,720
instead of attacking people because of how they voted, try

1258
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,760
to understand why they voted the way they voted. Try

1259
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,239
to get a gist of it, and then if you

1260
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:16,960
have an issue with it, fine, cool. Yeah, But I

1261
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,159
have heard from people who voted for Donald Trump that

1262
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:24,840
you know you look, you hear it, and you're like, okay,

1263
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,239
that's a dumb reason. People I worked with said, my

1264
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:30,840
four oh one K in the last four years has

1265
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,359
went down thirty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that though, what the stock market doing

1267
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:37,720
so well.

1268
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Speaker 2: But I'm saying, theoretically, yeah, yeah, yeah, my four oh

1269
01:26:42,279 --> 01:26:45,119
one K has went down x amount. I'm going to

1270
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:48,199
have to work this much extra to make up for that.

1271
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,119
I plan to retire at sixty two. Now I have

1272
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to wait till I'm sixty three and a half sixty four.

1273
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That's why I voted the way I voted, because I

1274
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,760
want some of that capital gains back. Or you know

1275
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:10,800
someone who is in an area where immigration is just

1276
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:15,000
out of control, that's on a border state. We don't

1277
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:19,760
take border states into account and not. My point is,

1278
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:25,920
if you get fifty Donald Trump voters in a room,

1279
01:27:27,159 --> 01:27:33,479
forty five of them are going to give you what

1280
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,880
you at the very least would say. I don't agree

1281
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:42,760
with it, but I understand it. They're not all sitting

1282
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,520
there like the people of South Park saying they took

1283
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,199
their jibs right.

1284
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,520
Speaker 1: Some of them are, though, to be fair, some of them,

1285
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:50,479
all of them, use.

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01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: Some of them are.

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01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:52,279
Speaker 1: I've met some.

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01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:56,239
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna sit there and say that that falls

1289
01:27:56,319 --> 01:28:00,239
under the five out of the fifty hope. So I

1290
01:28:00,279 --> 01:28:03,359
think you're going to find a majority of them at

1291
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:07,399
least have feasible reasons why they voted the way they did,

1292
01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:10,079
and you don't have to agree with them. But I

1293
01:28:10,119 --> 01:28:13,880
think you would walk away saying I get it. Well.

1294
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: I also think I don't know if i'd walk away

1295
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,680
saying I get it, but but I understand what you're saying.

1296
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,600
And I also think our conversations are an example to

1297
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,720
people of how, you know, even if you come from

1298
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,279
different places politically, like I'm kind of I don't know.

1299
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,560
I think I'm basically center left, you know, and you're

1300
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,720
a conservative, although I know some people think that you

1301
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:33,399
should be stripping.

1302
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: I would probably I like your center left. I would

1303
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,239
say I'm center right, center right.

1304
01:28:38,359 --> 01:28:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even though so, but even though so, we

1305
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:44,439
come at politics from opposite directions. But you know, if

1306
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,600
you listen to our conversations, we actually agree on a

1307
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,680
lot of things. There's a lot of common ground to

1308
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:49,000
be had.

1309
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: There there is, Yeah, I think again a quote from

1310
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,119
Citizen King. At the end of the day, we are

1311
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:01,560
all one thing, We are all Americans, and we have

1312
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,199
to start looking at ourselves as such. Don't look at

1313
01:29:07,239 --> 01:29:11,640
it as does this does this guy on the bus

1314
01:29:12,079 --> 01:29:14,960
next to me kiss other guys? Does this woman next

1315
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,960
to me kiss other women? Does this guy or this

1316
01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:22,399
woman like to dress up like the opposite sex? Or

1317
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:27,920
is this person wearing face covering? Is he gonna bob

1318
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:33,319
my house? No, we're looking at things totally wrong there.

1319
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,800
We need to look at things as We need to

1320
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,920
look at people as people and get to know them

1321
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,039
as people. And I think if we do that, then

1322
01:29:43,199 --> 01:29:47,840
we can see the common grounds we have. I will say,

1323
01:29:48,039 --> 01:29:50,920
being a part of your show and listening to people

1324
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,680
chime in help me change my perspectives on things on

1325
01:29:55,880 --> 01:30:01,399
some of my perspectives on things. So yeah, definitely, But

1326
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,319
I'm always going going to stand up for what I

1327
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:06,000
believe in.

1328
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:10,279
Speaker 1: Yes, as you should. Yes. And I would just add,

1329
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:11,760
you know, because you were talking about like if you

1330
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,479
get on a bus and you see you know, if

1331
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,359
it's two women kissing, now I might be kind of

1332
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:15,760
into that.

1333
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, I've always said this, if two dudes want

1334
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,399
to hook up. Sweet more women for me if two

1335
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,000
women want to hook up and let me watch even better.

1336
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,399
Speaker 1: Common ground?

1337
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Yeah, I see, I am. I am not.

1338
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:45,039
I'm open minded. Yes, I'm very I'm right there. I

1339
01:30:45,039 --> 01:30:48,279
don't even care that they show Taylor Swift during pro football.

1340
01:30:49,359 --> 01:30:54,239
Yeah I don't. No, Yeah, there's a lot of fans

1341
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:55,359
football fans that do.

1342
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:57,279
Speaker 1: But I'm not. I know.

1343
01:30:57,399 --> 01:31:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am very, I am very much. You know

1344
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:08,319
what it's is what it is. It's bringing new people

1345
01:31:08,359 --> 01:31:12,960
into football. No, there you go. So why would we

1346
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,960
even be upset about that? Yeah?

1347
01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:21,560
Speaker 1: Exactly well said exactly right. Why do you have anything

1348
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,199
to plug or anything or No?

1349
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:30,399
Speaker 2: I am you know. I am currently working through somewhat

1350
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:35,560
of a major injury still in July. No, in July,

1351
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:41,880
I suffered a lower back spring that caused compression on

1352
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:43,279
my psiatic nerve.

1353
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh that sucks.

1354
01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 2: So right now it's work and physical therapy and they're

1355
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:57,479
looking at something you're familiar with through Jenny nerve ablation. Okay,

1356
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:02,000
So so yeah, right now it's you know, and that

1357
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:07,000
tied into my voting for Kamala Harris because working for

1358
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:09,319
the post office and I'm not ashamed to say I

1359
01:32:09,359 --> 01:32:11,880
work for the post Office. I do have to add

1360
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,520
that the views and opinions I express do not reflect

1361
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:19,319
those of the United States Postal Service or the government.

1362
01:32:23,319 --> 01:32:26,840
I want to protect the benefits I'm getting.

1363
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm.

1364
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,199
Speaker 2: Getting workmen's comp My physical therapy is fully covered because

1365
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,920
the injury happened at work.

1366
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Speaker 1: Good.

1367
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 2: I mean that includes transportation for me to get to

1368
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:44,840
my physical therapy. Like yeah, so yeah, I had to

1369
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:50,479
vote to protect my finances. Yes, And if you're gonna

1370
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,640
threaten to take away those things from me, then I

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01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,680
have to vote in the best interest of me exactly.

1372
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,560
That's what I had to do. And so yeah, yeah,

1373
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,199
that's really what's going on. I mean, I you know,

1374
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:13,680
it's it is one of the most frustrating injuries I

1375
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:18,520
have ever had, because you can go for days at

1376
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:24,279
a time and not feel anything. Yeah, be totally fine,

1377
01:33:24,359 --> 01:33:26,960
and then it hits. And it could be the littlest

1378
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:31,239
thing you do, like it in a chair, or like

1379
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:37,800
you turning the shower wrong, or you scrub the dishes

1380
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,319
too hard. The littlest thing can trigger it, and.

1381
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: That pain is yeah, and that pain is awful. I

1382
01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:48,880
had a few years ago, I had a psiatic pain

1383
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,600
and it just it lasted for a couple of weeks

1384
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:53,920
and then it just kind of went away on its own, unfortunately.

1385
01:33:54,039 --> 01:33:56,199
I don't know, I don't know why. I did a

1386
01:33:56,199 --> 01:33:57,840
lot of stretching, and I think that helped it. So

1387
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,399
it wasn't It wasn't like an actual injury. Say, it

1388
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,479
was just something was causing my static nerve to bother me.

1389
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:05,720
But I just remember the way that pain would radiate

1390
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,279
it just ah, it was just such a drag. So

1391
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:10,039
I feel for you.

1392
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,079
Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is. There are people

1393
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:16,119
who have it way worse than I do. I mean,

1394
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:18,880
are there nights that I have to sleep sitting up

1395
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:25,079
in my on my chase on my sectional? Yeah? Does

1396
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:28,239
that suck? Yeah? But there are people in this country

1397
01:34:28,279 --> 01:34:30,560
that don't have a chase to sleep on.

1398
01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, there are people.

1399
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:38,199
Speaker 2: There are people in a hospital that they fall asleep

1400
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,600
and they're like, is this gonna be a Yeah. So

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I'm very fortunate and that's the way I look at it.

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So so yeah, but no, I'm definitely open to doing

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this more frequently. I think there's gonna be a lot

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01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,399
more to talk about. Yeah, I think there's going to

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:35:00,399
be a lot more to discuss, and I think you know,

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people don't laugh at the ridiculousness of this. Use Matt

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01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:11,239
and I as an example, but make sure you eat

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pineapple on pizza.

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Speaker 1: No common ground there, all right? On that note, I

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need to go eat something delicious just to cleanse my palace.

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01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a KFC and it ain't sitting good.

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01:35:29,319 --> 01:35:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah does it ever? KFC? I can't eat that either,

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01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,000
all right? Aaron Pilcher my favorite conservative even if you

1414
01:35:36,039 --> 01:35:38,880
are we're more center right, but what I'll still call

1415
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,920
you my favorite conservative.

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01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm down with it. And if anyone has a

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01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,800
problem with me being a conservative, send me a message.

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01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,840
We can discuss.

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01:35:47,119 --> 01:35:48,119
Speaker 1: I know someone who might.

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01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 2: Oh well, I know someone else. But I know someone

1421
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,680
else who might you know if you can figure out

1422
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:57,239
the technology of doing so.

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01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: A certain New Yorker Yeah, uh uh no like.

1424
01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 2: Section eight housing in Poughkeepsie.

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01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't posted anything in uh like two months? Now.

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Do you think he's dead?

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Speaker 2: I mean we're gonna stop there because I don't want

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01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:17,960
to say something that's totally mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't want him to be dead, because once he's dead,

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that there's no more. Uh, there's no more possibility of redemption.

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01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 2: That's very true.

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01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:27,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 2: I thought I thought we would hear something him singing

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01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,359
to the high praises when Trump or Trump won.

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01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he'd posts something. But he didn't. That's

1436
01:36:37,119 --> 01:36:39,399
why I think he might. Uh maybe I don't know,

1437
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:41,840
maybe you know what.

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01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:48,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully that individual is in good health. And on

1439
01:36:48,119 --> 01:36:50,399
that note, I have to cleanse my palate.

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01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: All right, Eric, thank you so much, my friend.

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01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It was good, it was

1442
01:36:57,319 --> 01:36:58,279
it was fun.

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01:36:58,279 --> 01:37:01,680
Speaker 1: All right, and thanks everyone everyone for listening. I mean

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01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:03,760
they're not listening live, but I will. I will post

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01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,640
this shortly and uh, all right, Eric, take care of

1446
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:07,359
have a good night.

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01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: You as well. Bye bye bye Commander, don't get Supreme

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Leader maxill coming