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<v Speaker 1>You're listenings KFI AM six forty the Bill Handle show

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<v Speaker 1>on demand on the iHeartRadio f KFI.

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<v Speaker 2>It is handled here in the morning crew. It is Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>February eleventh.

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<v Speaker 1>As we continue on with the program, now a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about the fires, and we talk about the history

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<v Speaker 1>of these fires. Do you know that fires in southern

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<v Speaker 1>California go back, I don't know, thousands of years. How

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<v Speaker 1>is that possible. It really started with a conquistadoris and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you about that in a moment, but let's talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go back to nineteen sixty one. I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>you a little history of fires in southern California. So

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one, you had a trash pile up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Mulholland Drive area and a fire broke out, picked

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<v Speaker 1>up by the Santa Ana Wins and then went as

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<v Speaker 1>the canyons and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was apocalyptic.

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<v Speaker 1>And what made that one pretty interesting is how many

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities lived in that area. And this is why I

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<v Speaker 1>caught the world Tension actor Kim Novak. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>these names may not be very important or you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know them, but this in nineteen sixty one, these were

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<v Speaker 1>a List actors, actor Kim Novak, her home was destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she was actually took a hose out to home

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<v Speaker 2>to save it.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy by the name of Richard Nixon who had

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<v Speaker 1>lost the presidential as you know, in nineteen sixty and

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<v Speaker 1>then ran for governor and was killed by Pat Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>the governor, the father of Jerry Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>So he went to practice law in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, his home that was about to go, and there

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<v Speaker 1>he is with a garden hose trying to soak the

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<v Speaker 1>wooden roof shingles.

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<v Speaker 2>Fred McMurray who starred.

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<v Speaker 1>In My Three Sons at the time and big television

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<v Speaker 1>series in the sixties or early sixties, he had to

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<v Speaker 1>evacuate his family and he took worker studio workers from

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<v Speaker 1>the set to help evacuate his family.

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<v Speaker 2>So the fire reaches bell Air.

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<v Speaker 1>The mansions of bell Air where a lot of very

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<v Speaker 1>high end people live. Thermal heat which we've seen before

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<v Speaker 1>with the embers that just happened, lifted the wood shingles.

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<v Speaker 1>They were all of wood at that time, high end

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<v Speaker 1>of the air. Fifty mile an hour winds hurled them

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<v Speaker 1>more than a mile over Brentwood by nightfall. The bell

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<v Speaker 1>Air fire destroyed four hundred and eighty four homes, including

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<v Speaker 1>homes of Burt Lancaster, huge actor, comedian Joey Brown, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you've never heard of, but massive star Nobel

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<v Speaker 1>Laureate who Willard Libby, which is a fairly big news.

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<v Speaker 1>So firefighters extinguished the flames. And there was Jajah Gabor

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<v Speaker 1>dressed up in well in Jaja Gaborland and she is

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<v Speaker 1>with a shovel going through the lumber of her or

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<v Speaker 1>the rubble of her home, looking for a safe that

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<v Speaker 1>was there with her jewels in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And she had a zillion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Worth of jewels. That's that's who she was. So the

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<v Speaker 1>bell airfire became known as the big one. Back then,

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred and eighty four homes, that was the big one.

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<v Speaker 1>It forced everyone in La to reckon with the dangers

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<v Speaker 1>of fire.

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<v Speaker 2>They really dealt with it now.

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<v Speaker 1>They realize that people in La realized, okay, fires in

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<v Speaker 1>the canyons are no small deal. So l officials in

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<v Speaker 1>response put in a bunch of new fire safety measures,

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<v Speaker 1>more firefighting helicopters, new fire stations, a new reservoir, and

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<v Speaker 1>no more.

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<v Speaker 2>Untreated wood shingles.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to be treated later on, it was no

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<v Speaker 1>more wood shingles of any kind. And you will see

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<v Speaker 1>today you will not see wood shingles on a house.

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<v Speaker 1>A roof lasts about thirty years, and we're already about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years into an ordinance of no more wood shingles.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have concrete and tile and that's fire proof,

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<v Speaker 1>actually not only just fire resistant, so also in high

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<v Speaker 1>risk fire areas, a brush clearance program. And so this

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<v Speaker 1>is what they're doing now. But I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't do is they didn't stop building in the canyons.

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<v Speaker 2>That they didn't do.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was no measure push to radically rethink of building.

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<v Speaker 1>It just disappeared new housing tracks all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>And then larger and more deadly fires swept through the region.

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<v Speaker 1>And all the fire the safety improvements improvements prompted by

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<v Speaker 1>the bel Air fire, well they were there, but they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't outpace the new development and climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that simple.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we have the Eton and the Palasages fire,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the big one, sixteen thousand structures, twenty nine people dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and once again new reckoning. How many LA homes came

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<v Speaker 1>to be built on land that is so vulnerable to fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is should they even be rebuilt? And at this point

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<v Speaker 2>we're grappling with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Pine, it was a fire historian Professor Meredith Arizona

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<v Speaker 1>State University studies this.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, straight out. California is built to burn straight out.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way the topography is the way the climate

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<v Speaker 1>works in California, it is built. So what happened and

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<v Speaker 1>this really got crazy more than a century ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happened one hundred years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the building on hillsides really started with a venge vengeance.

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<v Speaker 1>So Los Angeles begins to overtake San Francisco as the

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<v Speaker 1>most populated city on the West coast, and real estate

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<v Speaker 1>developers begin their eye begin to look up to the

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<v Speaker 1>foothills of the Santa Monica and San Gabriel Mountains. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a nineteen twenty three ad that showed renderings of the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish Revival houses that we have in southern California, and

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<v Speaker 1>there they were over steep hillsides, over bluffs. The ad read,

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<v Speaker 1>the future of Los Angeles is in the hills right

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<v Speaker 1>there billboards. Matter of fact, that's when Hollywood Land, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Sign was first built, and it was Hollywood Land

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<v Speaker 1>and it was advertising a tract, a real estate track

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<v Speaker 1>in the hills. And then the land part dropped out,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course now we have the world famous Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>sign that was nineteen twenty three. You know what the

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<v Speaker 1>lots cost in those days two thousand bucks. You know

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<v Speaker 1>what that is today, thirty six thousand dollars. Now can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine a lot for thirty six thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>the hills. So in the twenties, now it was boom

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<v Speaker 1>time for La the whole country. It started to go

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<v Speaker 1>crazy before that the nineteen thirteen construction of the La Aqueduct.

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<v Speaker 1>This is William Mulholland who engineered that Mullholland Drive at

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<v Speaker 1>the top of the hill, and that paved the way

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<v Speaker 1>for one hundred thousand people to move into the city

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<v Speaker 1>each year because there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Water before that.

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<v Speaker 1>And when that aqueduct came down the mountain, all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, the San Fernando Valley became a fertile landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>For growing particularly oranges. Before that it was desert.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a matter of fact, if you go up

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<v Speaker 1>to the north valley right off Fornaldi, you can see

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<v Speaker 1>where the aqueduct spills into the area that fills up

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<v Speaker 1>the San Fernando Valley and the reservoirs. Bell Air marketed

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<v Speaker 1>itself as the exclusive residential park.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the West.

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<v Speaker 1>There were lavish real estate ads, sales brochures, and bell

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<v Speaker 1>Air was so exclusive. Not only did the area, the

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<v Speaker 1>owner of the bel Air Tract and others not sell

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<v Speaker 1>to blacks or Hispanics, not that they had money anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're talking in the twenties, but also no Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course that's a given.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody in the motion picture industry was allowed to buy

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<v Speaker 1>because that was considered less.

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<v Speaker 2>Than today bell Air. Well, you tell me, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>The bell Air count Country Club started because of the discrimination.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Californians are drawn to the woodlands, the base of the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't want to live down in the canyons. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted views. So there they are at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the mount on all these hillsides. Perfect place for a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>This all started.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Spanish colonizer that can kiss the daughters came

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<v Speaker 1>in the fifteen hundreds. The natives, the Indians as they

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<v Speaker 1>were known the Native Americans, would use burn. They did

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<v Speaker 1>controlled burns. That's been going on for hundreds and hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of years. So the Spanish go kiss, the daughters come.

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<v Speaker 2>By, and they stop it cold. That continues.

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<v Speaker 1>On eighteen fifty, legislators passed the Act for the Government

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<v Speaker 1>and Protection of Indians. No intentional burning anymore. So the

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<v Speaker 1>move to suppress fire, that's what that was about. Magnified

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<v Speaker 1>the risk of fire, the destructive fires. And in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, the Fire Chief one an ordnance prohibiting wood shingles.

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<v Speaker 2>It went down that far, that early. But what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Wood shingles weren't made illegal until the nineteen seventies. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the lumber industry, how powerful do you think the lumber

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<v Speaker 1>industry was shut that down. We're not going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing wood shingles, especially with a growing population like that.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that lobbyists changing a law. Well, you had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch more fires, and then the population exploded.

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<v Speaker 1>After World War Two, you had all of these young

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<v Speaker 1>men move into Los Angeles, which was a staging ground

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<v Speaker 1>for the Pacific Fight, and they realized, wow, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this land, Look at these places.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cheap, it's a great place to live.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember my parents' home that they bought in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid fifties twenty six thousand dollars. Today that would be

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, two fifty three hundred thousand dollars North Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful three bedroom, two bath house, gorgeous, decent sized lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So this went on and on with half a dozen fires.

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<v Speaker 1>Now maybe they're getting serious about retrofitting your home.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We'll see, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are looking pretty serious now about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the easy stuff is easy, putting in those vents

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<v Speaker 1>that stopped from embers from coming in, pulling back brush

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<v Speaker 1>fire resistant, fire resistant trees. At the Persian Palace, I

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<v Speaker 1>had big palm trees right next to the house. Those

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<v Speaker 1>ignite which is very which are very easy to ignite

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<v Speaker 1>and burn, would burn down the house. And the fire

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<v Speaker 1>was very close. And people were saying, but weren't you

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<v Speaker 1>worried about the fires? I go, no, I've already sold

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<v Speaker 1>the house, so I don't care. Okay, here's the big story.

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<v Speaker 1>And Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he crazy? Who the hell knows?

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<v Speaker 1>So open Ai Elon Musk is trying to buy now.

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<v Speaker 2>He started open Ai.

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<v Speaker 1>It's obviously an artificial intelligence company with Sam Altman, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is out of it, but he's filed a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>against the company and Altman. And here's why, because Altman

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<v Speaker 1>misrepresented open Ai. And here's the fascinating part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Altman and the other co founders were so frightened of

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<v Speaker 1>what AI could do that they established the company as

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<v Speaker 1>a non profit and gave its code out. It was

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<v Speaker 1>open source code. You can do people can do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>we want you want with it, which is basically the

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<v Speaker 1>company becomes worthless at that point, and there were investors

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<v Speaker 1>that were allowed into the company. How it got started.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what investors want. They do not want a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>They want a for profit. You don't pour hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars into a company and say, okay, it's worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's not making any money because it is a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had to switch at least a part of

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<v Speaker 1>it to a for profit. Musk is suing saying, you lied,

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<v Speaker 1>you lied, You said that it was a nonprofit. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you have most of it as a profit, and now

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<v Speaker 2>That's how big a deal AI is. And so what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on with this is Musk wants to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>He has his own company, x XAI and artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence company. Major companies are investing billions and billions of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred billion dollars the for profit part because.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we've got some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Allman posts on x no, thank you, but we'll buy

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter for nine point seven four.

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<v Speaker 2>Billion dollars ten billion dollars. Musk bought Twitter for forty

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<v Speaker 2>four billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It was worth twenty five billion dollars at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you overpaid, and now it's valued at about ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. Now that's not to say Musk is the

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<v Speaker 1>richest man in the world, the richest person in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So between SpaceX and Tenes and a few other things,

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing just fine. But the Twitter issue is it's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a yuts is what it is from Altman.

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<v Speaker 1>Altman and Musk are now enemies, I mean real enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're suing each other, going going crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here is the issue. A company with big.

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<v Speaker 1>Backers like Microsoft when it started venture capital, well, it

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<v Speaker 1>and investors from Silicon Valley want a turnover very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not patient about their return. They come in

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<v Speaker 1>by a company, want to grow it, and out they go.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first time must sues open AIS in June

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty four. The emails show Musk acknowledge the

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<v Speaker 1>need for the company to make large sums of money.

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<v Speaker 2>He originally invested in it, he is now out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to buy it, and he's filing a lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>because they.

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<v Speaker 2>Breach their charter that it's going to be a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me get this right, all right, part of

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<v Speaker 1>is a nonprofit, Musk issuing it has to stay a nonprofit,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's willing to buy it for one hundred billion

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<v Speaker 1>or at least it's about to make money. And so

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<v Speaker 1>which one do you want?

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<v Speaker 2>No money?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's what it's worth zero if it stays a nonprofit.

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is if he were to keep it a

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, he can have a nonprofit and make

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<v Speaker 2>no money on it. Okay, is he going to do that? No?

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<v Speaker 2>So what does open ai do well?

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<v Speaker 1>It accuses Musk of being jealous that he was no

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<v Speaker 1>longer involved in the startup.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that simple, and it has become a personal fight.

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<v Speaker 1>So now AI companies are well, can you imagine what

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<v Speaker 2>He started?

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<v Speaker 1>There was a first company started actually chat GPT open

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<v Speaker 2>Is that owns it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only downside about AI now because it AI

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<v Speaker 1>takes massive amounts of energy, takes very high end, very

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<v Speaker 1>expensive chips, and the Chinese have been able to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of guys have been able to do it

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<v Speaker 1>with cheap with chips that barely power your refrigerator or

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<v Speaker 1>you're old, Atari far far cheaper, quicker, better.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens. That's up in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>How unusual the Chinese producing products at a much much

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<v Speaker 1>lower cost but at the same time having the tech.

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<v Speaker 1>Great story I want to share with you. The owner

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<v Speaker 1>of Sony, right after World War two, had started manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>tape recorder super scope and he had just started was

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<v Speaker 1>and he met with an American CEO of a company

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<v Speaker 1>even before Sony started it was just a startup, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans sitting down with him this is in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>said the only thing Japanese business can do is make

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<v Speaker 1>my ties. Well, the Japanese so certainly showed him, didn't they.

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<v Speaker 1>And the same thing as happening with China, where they

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<v Speaker 1>are ahead of the game. They're able to produce great

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<v Speaker 1>ev cars at about the third of the cost that.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay for him here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating stuff, the way life is going. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a story about the Altadena fire in which a one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred year old woman was left in a senior home. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a fire anywhere near where I am and

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 2>With most of us. She was alive, still is.

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<v Speaker 1>Alive, and she wasn't rescued until two firefighters went in

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking for people, and they found her down

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<v Speaker 1>the hall and they were able to rescue her. And

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<v Speaker 1>therein lies a big issue because her son said, if

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just a question of luck, she wouldn't be around,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he has called for total reform. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the reform is pretty easy, and it has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with that the authorities have every senior home, they have

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<v Speaker 1>it on record, and as soon as anything near a

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<v Speaker 2>So that is fairly easy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think this goes beyond that and talking about

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<v Speaker 1>how elderly people, how important elderly people are in.

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<v Speaker 2>Our lives, not much. Do you know?

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<v Speaker 1>There are countries that the senior homes don't exist because the.

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<v Speaker 2>Culture is old people live at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Most homes in those countries are multi generational. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>And if you go to Japan, you go to certain

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<v Speaker 1>places in Europe, one hundred year old great grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yess, her great great grandmother would be at home.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd be wrinkled and old and barely able to function.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman walked down the hall, she walked out a walker.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day, I was in a restaurant with a

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember, but she was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting down and her family with a walker.

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<v Speaker 1>It was awaiting. We were waiting. Her family with a

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<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, I mind. You know, I'm sitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>And literally they said she's one hundred years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>looked down at me and said, I'm one hundred years old,

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<v Speaker 1>not in therefore I should sit down. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>just very proud of it and said I'm one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>you are, you're not taking this seat. Now, that part

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<v Speaker 1>is not really the way it happened, but I'm one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>Old and moving with a walker.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody who heard that went over there and congratulated her

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<v Speaker 1>and said that is a wonderful thing. A centenarian who

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<v Speaker 1>Did you I thought that was Did you see the

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<v Speaker 1>video of the one hundred year old woman that they

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I did. I just like, she's like, don't lose me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's perfectly lucid. She goes, I'm here, don't lose me.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't lose me.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, the joking, the joking I did.

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<v Speaker 1>About telling that one hundred year old woman that you

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<v Speaker 2>You guys have a lot to talk about the day

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<v Speaker 2>he's the buggy whip. No, not a lot, did you guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Although they called you know what they did, They called

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<v Speaker 1>her first before me, even though I was there first,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm screaming at the hostess, yelling, hey, I was

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<v Speaker 1>here first. It's like when my kids were born. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a DJ from and this is absolutely true. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a DJ from some minor rock station and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife was pregnant and she was delivering as Marjorie was delivering,

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<v Speaker 1>and she went in first, and I'm screaming, has anybody

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<v Speaker 1>looked at the ratings? What is she doing first? That

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened, By the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, do you hear any of us giving pushback? No? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe it. That didn't happen. All right, you've

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