WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:14.960 Welcome to the Marvel Lines podcast, recover anything and everything 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.359 to do with the Marvel Universe from the comics, TV and movies. 3 00:00:17.399 --> 00:00:19.160 We go from verse six one six of the Mojo 4 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.559 versus the TVA in order to bring to Marvel Universe 5 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:22.039 right to you. 6 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:23.519 I'm the Man without Fear. 7 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.280 Chris, I'm the Nerve with mouth David Alliance a sevenible 8 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:32.640 volume two hundred and ninety five kind of five five 9 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:36.200 episodes that we're gonna be until we hit episode of 10 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:39.159 three hundred and three hundred episodes of this show. 11 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:41.719 That's gonna be. That's gonna be a big theme day. 12 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:46.880 Yeah, so we are in the final countdown. I am excited. 13 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:50.719 I think about it every time. I'm like, I want 14 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.640 to play the song. Maybe on two ninety nine, I 15 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.079 will have you. 16 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:58.439 We's got demonetize for you who've actually paid us in pennies. 17 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:05.239 The the AI that they use is listening to us 18 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:07.359 and thinking that we are actually the band in Europe 19 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:07.799 right now. 20 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.480 Yeah, we're gonna get a copy right strike, We're gonna 21 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:13.079 get We're gonna get a very angry message from mister 22 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:13.799 Snell in the morning. 23 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:16.519 So what did you do? 24 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:18.879 You took down a gig first by one song. 25 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:23.920 But yeah, we we are. We are trudging along. 26 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.519 We got five episodes and until we get there, and 27 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:29.719 I am super super excited about that. 28 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:31.439 It's gonna be a big milestone for the show. We're 29 00:01:31.519 --> 00:01:33.280 very excited about it. But uh, but. 30 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:36.760 Hey, if it is his episode falling two ninety five. 31 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.560 But if you look at what we're discussing, you might see, 32 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.400 Wait a minute, did they change the show? Did they 33 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:42.280 forget to change the show? 34 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:42.599 Notes? 35 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.519 No, No, it's called Sony being Sony, And yes we 36 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.439 are talking about Daredevil. That shouldn't be surprised anyone. Yes, 37 00:01:48.480 --> 00:01:52.200 you are reading correctly. Spider Noir trailer breakdown number two. 38 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:54.599 You said, wait a minute, didn't you break down a 39 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:56.000 behind the scenes one last week? 40 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.079 Yes, yes we did. You know what Sony did. 41 00:01:58.079 --> 00:01:59.920 A couple of days after we did, they dropped a 42 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:03.640 trailer for Spider Man Noir. So guess what, it's a 43 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.079 new episode, but it's same stuff, different day. 44 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:10.520 Yeah, they just they decided, you know what, we're just 45 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:12.840 gonna run it back. Works so well last week, we're 46 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.520 gonna do it again. I'm gonna only say I'm gonna 47 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:16.879 do this one more time, you know. 48 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.919 Channel that spider Spider verse stuff. So, but how has 49 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:20.560 been your week? 50 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:22.719 A week, it has been good. 51 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.960 Is the culmination of my week at the job that 52 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.639 I've been at for over five years since I've moved 53 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.560 back to Kansas City, and you know, I'm getting ready 54 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.560 to start on a new adventure. 55 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.960 So a little bit nervous, a little bit excited. 56 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.039 But today or this week as a whole, has been 57 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:45.199 just a roller coaster of emotions, and today in particular, 58 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.879 as it was my last day and me and Brent 59 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.520 hugged it out before I walked out the building today. 60 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:53.000 Did you whispering tea? You never turn it back on family? 61 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:53.319 Brother? 62 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.960 We we we made some promises to meet up. I 63 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.000 didn't play these song from the end of Fast and 64 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:02.840 Furious seven. 65 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:06.199 I think it was you know, until we see each 66 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:06.680 other again. 67 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:09.960 I think that's who. I think that's who did that 68 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:10.879 song wasp leief? 69 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:18.080 Yes so uh, like I said, bittersweet, but on on 70 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:19.919 to next chapters. 71 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:22.719 Yes, so yeah, this week's again. 72 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.240 You know, I didn't realize it until I kind of 73 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:29.000 was writing my message to my school for that I 74 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.240 drop on Sunday afternoons. But I said, literally, it's two 75 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.599 and a half weeks left, two and a half weeks left, 76 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.680 and the school year is done. It is crazy, absolutely crazy. 77 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.759 It just seems cliche to say, but man, it's wild. 78 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.639 So moving along, keep this and we got we had 79 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.159 the penultimate episode of Dared double Breakdown. We got Spiderman 80 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:54.120 Noir to talk about another trailer. So let's get into it. 81 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:56.039 But before we do, we have to do these lovely 82 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:57.800 network plugs. So we are part of the gey Cultimate, 83 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.000 a lines network with six shows coming to wide range 84 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.400 of geek and nerdom. 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To hear his story, 157 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:24.360 I'm going to kind of give you kind of how 158 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.439 he kind of started and before we go into what 159 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:32.920 he is, who he's responsible for bringing to you know, 160 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:37.519 the forefront of our you know, love of these characters. 161 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:39.600 You'd never believe where he kind of started. 162 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.680 And it's it's just a fascinating kind of like right 163 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:46.480 time right moment. 164 00:07:47.839 --> 00:07:48.319 Where it is. 165 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.759 But it was age nineteen that Jerry Conry received the 166 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:57.360 job that would change his life, starting with Amazing Spider 167 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:03.600 Man number one hundred and eleven, nineteen years old. Given 168 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:08.480 the reins of the Amazing Spider Man replacing replacing, this 169 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:12.480 is Who's replacing stan Lee as series writer on the 170 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.920 flagship title for three years. He took over that title, 171 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:19.639 took it all the way up to issue number one 172 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:23.959 forty nine, and some pivotal moments during his run He's 173 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.800 just Spider Man alone. He is coming head to head 174 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:35.200 when the Green Goblin murders Gwen Stacy after discovering his 175 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.240 nephetist secret identity. Peter never fully recovers the lost while 176 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.039 Harry Osborne falls in his father's footsteps becoming that Green Goblin. 177 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:45.879 During that time, he introduces he is a co creator 178 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.960 of the Punisher Let that Sink in So also the 179 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.240 co creator by John Romita Senior, and Ross and Drew. 180 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:58.919 And just others where there. 181 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.840 During his time he he joined up and wrote for 182 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.879 The Fantastic Four Thrower, The Avengers, and the Defenders. One 183 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.320 of the standouts of writing was on Miss Marvel, launching 184 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.519 the series that repositioned Carrol Danvers as her own cosmic hero. 185 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.919 Some other notables at this point that he co created 186 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:18.080 or created. 187 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:19.679 At DC. 188 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.399 He co created Power Girl, Jason Todd, and Killer Kroc, 189 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:27.240 and he wrote the Justice League of America titles during 190 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.679 the Bronze Age for eight years. He is he was 191 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:36.559 a legend. Jerry Conway again. 192 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:37.480 He stepping into the foots. 193 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:39.440 I'm not saying Stanley was the best writer for Spider Man, 194 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.879 but I mean stepping in after the person who created 195 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.759 the character. And you are told, at nineteen years old, 196 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:52.159 it's yours. You know, I can't imagine, you know, no pressure. Yeah, 197 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:56.080 you're still a kid. This is the flagship, and you 198 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.320 are taking over from the creator of these characters and 199 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.600 continuing this story in this legacy. And I mean those 200 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.519 are huge shoes to feel, and he did amazing with 201 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.480 those stories. I mean that the Spider Man, the Gwyn 202 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:20.679 Stacy stuff is iconic, the Punisher debuting again iconic. Then 203 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.720 these are moments that live on in these characters. 204 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:30.600 Yeah, and penned Marvel Spotlight number two. Conway penned and 205 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:38.919 introduced another prolific character, World by Night. So you know 206 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.679 it's you know, we're getting to the point where we're 207 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:43.000 losing a lot of these legends. 208 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.240 You know, he's he will be forever remembered for what 209 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:47.679 he created. 210 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:51.440 I mean, he has lasted a legacy that you know, 211 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:53.840 at seventy three years old, I mean he did his 212 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.279 time for king and country. I could say I never 213 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.000 got a chance to meet him and thank him for that, 214 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:00.720 which is why I mentioned in another group app chat 215 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:04.080 I'm in while it was so important to me last 216 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:09.799 year too to meet a number of these creators that 217 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.919 are getting up there and in age, and especially one 218 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.799 stands out of my mind as Jose Luis Garcia Lopez. 219 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.960 Just the style the DC Style Handbook was based off 220 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.200 of his creations and things and characters. So just to 221 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.879 have him sign the style book that really was released, 222 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:28.440 I mean, that was a moment for me. Just it's 223 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.519 like just getting to say thank you people like Larry hawmuch, 224 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:32.639 people like Chris Claremont. 225 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:33.840 I want. 226 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.720 That's why I go to these conventions. Just not to 227 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.080 get signatures, not to get sketches necessarily, that that's the 228 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:40.559 asking I hate, but to get to meet people who 229 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.720 have influenced my life at that point, just to say 230 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:47.399 thank you. That that is that that means more to 231 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:50.200 me than anything people like Don Rossis. You know, it's 232 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.279 just it's as opportunities I can't pass up, and I'm 233 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.799 getting that opportunity again this year at HeroesCon So I mean, 234 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:59.559 I I think it's it's it's you know, cliche to 235 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.799 say it's goal of life. But his legacy is secured, 236 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.480 his books will be forever there in that, and so 237 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.159 we hear at Marvel Alliance send our you know, thoughts 238 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:14.960 and prayers to the friends and family of mister Conway 239 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.000 and two fans are definitely in mourning with you all. 240 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.159 But your legacy lives on and the characters in the 241 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.960 stories you've created, yes, very much so. So all right, well, 242 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.919 unfortunately there's no easy segue to that, but let's get 243 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:32.960 into Daredevil Born Again Season two, episode seven, The Hateful 244 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:38.360 Darkness pen ultimate episode. Marvel, in my opinion on Disney Plus, 245 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:43.799 has had a very positive history in breaking down and 246 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.639 bringing on a panelment episode that really raises the bar 247 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:53.080 and sometimes outshines even the finale. Do you think that 248 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.559 this season met that expectation? The presend has been set 249 00:12:57.759 --> 00:12:59.000 for penelement episodes. 250 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.840 I think that this was a a very good, not great, 251 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:11.480 but a very good penultimate episode. As listeners know, I 252 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.879 judge my Daredevil episodes on by how well people catch hands. 253 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.639 Because it is Daredevil. No one really caught hands this episode, 254 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.639 but it was still good. Like the character, the continued 255 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:28.200 character development and some of the moments of here. I 256 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.320 will say that, uh, and I will touch more on 257 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:32.799 this with some notes that. 258 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.919 I added to our show touching it to our show 259 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.000 notes that the. 260 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.120 Writers of this show are are are showing a little 261 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.879 bit of their personalities and their personal taste with within 262 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.720 this episode. 263 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.039 But uh, yeah, it it was. 264 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.159 It was a good episode, and it really it sets 265 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.039 up my excitement going into the finale. 266 00:13:56.519 --> 00:13:57.120 No, it was. 267 00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.559 It was a good episode. I agree with you. I 268 00:13:59.600 --> 00:14:06.000 wouldn't say it is the It's an interesting one where 269 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:10.720 I think it it has, like you said, set up 270 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:11.360 the chess board. 271 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.600 It by no means it's the best panult of but episode. 272 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.799 It is one that I think really brought a couple of. 273 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:23.480 I don't know. 274 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:29.799 What is it just it's hard to kind of say that, 275 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.360 especially when we know season three is happening at that point. 276 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:35.840 Like I've been I've been lucky. I've not seen any 277 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.480 of this head photos. I don't know how I've been 278 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:38.759 able to avoid it, but I have. 279 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:40.679 But I did like. 280 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.600 Some lucky you I know. Yeah, I have seen some 281 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:44.480 of the twists. 282 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:50.960 And turns from the you know, ideas of what's going 283 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.080 to be happening. But I like some of the the 284 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:58.879 change the not the changes, but some of the revelations 285 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:00.519 and some of the things that you I've kind of 286 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.559 predicted and talked about the show. They seem to be 287 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:07.519 kind of making, uh, bringing to fruition. So yeah, but yeah, 288 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.759 so anyways, what do you think we should we start 289 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:12.399 talking about it? 290 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.360 Spoiler wall, Yeah, I will say to your point about 291 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.120 the spoilers, two of my three factor fictions this week 292 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:24.799 had to get axed because I unfortunately I'm good on Twitter, 293 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:28.320 but if someone throws something on Instagram, and it's really 294 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.679 hard for me to be able to avoid that because 295 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:31.159 it will just. 296 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:34.159 Pop out of nowhere. And yeah, I caught some of 297 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.159 those spoilers and I was so mad because I was like, well, 298 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.120 X snay that, X snay that. 299 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:39.360 But yeah on that. 300 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.279 Yes, let's let's go ahead and get into episode seven, 301 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:44.440 The Hateful Darkness. 302 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:46.240 Make sure you point those out when they come up. 303 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:49.759 So all right, So the episode opened when the aftermath 304 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.720 of the violent crackdown outside of city Hall. Bloodstains at 305 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.720 the steps of city Hall, candles and personal. 306 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:57.679 Belongings remain on the street. 307 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.360 Mass casts you know, all all the things are happening, 308 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.879 and Matt, back in Daredevil suit, moves through the streets, 309 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.120 listening carefully as the city reacts. Meanwhile, Karen Page is 310 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.639 being processed by police and taking a holding sale. Wilson 311 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.360 fitst visits her personally. He accuses Karen of helping destroy 312 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.480 everything he is trying to build, calling her accomplished, a 313 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:23.840 deranged vigilante, and framing her as a criminal disguised as 314 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.799 a hero. This insists that while the public might see 315 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:31.720 her as heroic, he sees her as only chaos and disobedience. 316 00:16:31.879 --> 00:16:32.000 Ha. 317 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:38.000 Yeah, yeah, that that big ha that that takes place 318 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.399 of me. And it is funny because Marvel has released 319 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:43.639 a two hour just replay of the ha. 320 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.840 It's of the essence of the Zemo dance, you know. 321 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:53.240 Yeah, so in a little bit of again art imitating life. 322 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:58.000 You know, Fist knows who Daredevil is, who this vigilante is. 323 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.440 He he knows both sides of Matt Martin, but the 324 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:04.039 way that he talks about him as this deranged vigilante 325 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.640 or talking about the chaos and the disobedience, like, you know, 326 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:10.640 this guy is doing good to the evil. 327 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:10.920 That you're doing. 328 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:15.039 But you, in your mind, everything you do is for 329 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:19.200 the quote unquote greater good or making New York better, 330 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.960 and you can't see past the chaos that you are creating. 331 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.960 And it's it's just it's such an interesting facet to 332 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:34.599 his character that you know, he he is creating all 333 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.559 this civil unrest, but to him, it's everyone else's fault. 334 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.599 Yeah, And Karen's not want to back down. 335 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.920 She she tells him she's never seen him so scared before, 336 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:47.839 and that she likes it now. 337 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.319 Karen, Karen's channeling. You know, she's learned a lot. You know, 338 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:54.400 she's not the timid, you know, secretary anymore. She's spending 339 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.880 time with Frank, spending time with Matt and Foggy. You 340 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.519 know she is. I love it. 341 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.720 The comment hits a nerve with Fisk, reaches through the 342 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.160 bars and grabs her by the throat and tightens the 343 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:09.559 grip before coldly reminding her that this is about order. 344 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:12.799 Yep, and you like your comments here? 345 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.599 This show has a fetish. This is officially a choke 346 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:20.759 counter number one for this episode, and I say that 347 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.200 you should know that means that there are going to 348 00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:26.839 be more choke onnor had. 349 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.079 A few had an interesting one last week. Oh boy. 350 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.640 So Karen fires back, telling him that he went too 351 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.480 far the night before and that both the city, both 352 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.799 both she and the city know it. But before leaving, 353 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.279 Fist tells her that she has one phone call and 354 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.839 warrants her to choose carefully. 355 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:45.279 And this is what I know. 356 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.119 I kind of had talked about that, and this was 357 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.119 this was the factor fiction I had is not necessarily 358 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.279 vanessa death being inadvertently caused by Fist, but that the 359 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.920 death of Vanessa would push him over the edge that 360 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.640 he would go to. I'm not saying Vanessa totally always 361 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.680 kept him in line, but his calculations were more. He 362 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:12.680 is acting on emotion, he's acting on vengeance, and she's right. 363 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.720 And I think again, I. 364 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.960 Think this part of him realizes that she's also right, 365 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.599 but won't obviously a good he won't admit it. 366 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.720 Yeah, you could tell that without Vanessa in his life, 367 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:31.200 he he is unraveling and he's becoming unhinged and that 368 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:36.880 ability to kind of rain himself in where in the 369 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:40.319 past a little bit, since he's become mayor and his 370 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.599 rise to power as mayor, he's he's been raining himself in. 371 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.880 He's been calming down and not reacting so easily. But 372 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.359 now that that anchor point isn't there, he's he's letting 373 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:52.079 loose a little bit. 374 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:52.559 Yeah. 375 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.680 So then we go back to Jessica Jones. It pays 376 00:19:56.720 --> 00:20:00.480 mister Charles a visit, a very personal visit, as I 377 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:01.079 like to say. 378 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:03.599 She confronts him over the armed men that sent to 379 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.440 the house and his daughter was and her daughter was inside, 380 00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:09.599 and Charle's like, oh, well, I only told them to 381 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:12.480 warn her to back off, not to hurt the child. 382 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.920 But Jessica makes it very clear that no, that's not 383 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:16.920 what they were doing. They were going to harm it, 384 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:21.359 and that to back off or she will kill him. 385 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.880 But there he mentioned something to her. He's afraid. But 386 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:25.279 then he. 387 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.960 Says something, Yeah, he lets her know that you're a 388 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.480 lot to talk, bud. He's heard it through the grapevine 389 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.079 that her powers don't work as well as they used to. 390 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.359 He knows that she's been having a glitch ever since. 391 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.079 Danielle yeah, and so she asked about the whereabouts of 392 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:45.079 luke cage and Charles informs her that Luke is currently 393 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.440 working a job overseas so she doesn't have to which 394 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.880 was a lot of our theories that were going around. 395 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:56.319 So this basically outright without her saying it. That's their kid, 396 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:56.839 you know. 397 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:58.759 Yeah. 398 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:00.240 Now, I'm not going to go as far as saying 399 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.079 they're married necessarily because I could see Jessica just basically Luke, 400 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:06.279 you know, Jessica saying I'm not marrying you, but we 401 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:08.839