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Speaker 1: No, No, it's called Sony being Sony, And yes we
Speaker 1: are talking about Daredevil. That shouldn't be surprised anyone. Yes,
Speaker 1: you are reading correctly. Spider Noir trailer breakdown number two.
Speaker 1: You said, wait a minute, didn't you break down a
Speaker 1: behind the scenes one last week?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes we did. You know what Sony did.
Speaker 1: A couple of days after we did, they dropped a
Speaker 1: trailer for Spider Man Noir. So guess what, it's a
Speaker 1: new episode, but it's same stuff, different day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just they decided, you know what, we're just
Speaker 3: gonna run it back. Works so well last week, we're
Speaker 3: gonna do it again. I'm gonna only say I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do this one more time, you know.
Speaker 2: Channel that spider Spider verse stuff. So, but how has
Speaker 2: been your week?
Speaker 4: A week, it has been good.
Speaker 3: Is the culmination of my week at the job that
Speaker 3: I've been at for over five years since I've moved
Speaker 3: back to Kansas City, and you know, I'm getting ready
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Speaker 4: So a little bit nervous, a little bit excited.
Speaker 3: But today or this week as a whole, has been
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Speaker 2: Did you whispering tea? You never turn it back on family?
Speaker 5: Brother?
Speaker 3: We we we made some promises to meet up. I
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Speaker 4: I think it was you know, until we see each
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Speaker 2: I think that's who. I think that's who did that
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Speaker 3: Yes so uh, like I said, bittersweet, but on on
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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, this week's again.
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Speaker 1: All right, So we are going to start off this
Speaker 1: cast not necessarily down Daredevil. First, we have lost another
Speaker 1: comic book legend this week. Jerry Conway died a few
Speaker 1: days ago, born nineteen fifty two and passed away. Like
Speaker 1: I said a couple of days ago, he's another legend.
Speaker 1: I mean literally this this man. To hear his story,
Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of give you kind of how
Speaker 1: he kind of started and before we go into what
Speaker 1: he is, who he's responsible for bringing to you know,
Speaker 1: the forefront of our you know, love of these characters.
Speaker 2: You'd never believe where he kind of started.
Speaker 1: And it's it's just a fascinating kind of like right
Speaker 1: time right moment.
Speaker 2: Where it is.
Speaker 1: But it was age nineteen that Jerry Conry received the
Speaker 1: job that would change his life, starting with Amazing Spider
Speaker 1: Man number one hundred and eleven, nineteen years old. Given
Speaker 1: the reins of the Amazing Spider Man replacing replacing, this
Speaker 1: is Who's replacing stan Lee as series writer on the
Speaker 1: flagship title for three years. He took over that title,
Speaker 1: took it all the way up to issue number one
Speaker 1: forty nine, and some pivotal moments during his run He's
Speaker 1: just Spider Man alone. He is coming head to head
Speaker 1: when the Green Goblin murders Gwen Stacy after discovering his
Speaker 1: nephetist secret identity. Peter never fully recovers the lost while
Speaker 1: Harry Osborne falls in his father's footsteps becoming that Green Goblin.
Speaker 1: During that time, he introduces he is a co creator
Speaker 1: of the Punisher Let that Sink in So also the
Speaker 1: co creator by John Romita Senior, and Ross and Drew.
Speaker 2: And just others where there.
Speaker 1: During his time he he joined up and wrote for
Speaker 1: The Fantastic Four Thrower, The Avengers, and the Defenders. One
Speaker 1: of the standouts of writing was on Miss Marvel, launching
Speaker 1: the series that repositioned Carrol Danvers as her own cosmic hero.
Speaker 1: Some other notables at this point that he co created
Speaker 1: or created.
Speaker 2: At DC.
Speaker 1: He co created Power Girl, Jason Todd, and Killer Kroc,
Speaker 1: and he wrote the Justice League of America titles during
Speaker 1: the Bronze Age for eight years. He is he was
Speaker 1: a legend. Jerry Conway again.
Speaker 2: He stepping into the foots.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Stanley was the best writer for Spider Man,
Speaker 3: but I mean stepping in after the person who created
Speaker 3: the character. And you are told, at nineteen years old,
Speaker 3: it's yours. You know, I can't imagine, you know, no pressure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're still a kid. This is the flagship, and you
Speaker 3: are taking over from the creator of these characters and
Speaker 3: continuing this story in this legacy. And I mean those
Speaker 3: are huge shoes to feel, and he did amazing with
Speaker 3: those stories. I mean that the Spider Man, the Gwyn
Speaker 3: Stacy stuff is iconic, the Punisher debuting again iconic. Then
Speaker 3: these are moments that live on in these characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and penned Marvel Spotlight number two. Conway penned and
Speaker 1: introduced another prolific character, World by Night. So you know
Speaker 1: it's you know, we're getting to the point where we're
Speaker 1: losing a lot of these legends.
Speaker 2: You know, he's he will be forever remembered for what
Speaker 2: he created.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has lasted a legacy that you know,
Speaker 1: at seventy three years old, I mean he did his
Speaker 1: time for king and country. I could say I never
Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him and thank him for that,
Speaker 1: which is why I mentioned in another group app chat
Speaker 1: I'm in while it was so important to me last
Speaker 1: year too to meet a number of these creators that
Speaker 1: are getting up there and in age, and especially one
Speaker 1: stands out of my mind as Jose Luis Garcia Lopez.
Speaker 1: Just the style the DC Style Handbook was based off
Speaker 1: of his creations and things and characters. So just to
Speaker 1: have him sign the style book that really was released,
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a moment for me. Just it's
Speaker 1: like just getting to say thank you people like Larry hawmuch,
Speaker 1: people like Chris Claremont.
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 1: That's why I go to these conventions. Just not to
Speaker 1: get signatures, not to get sketches necessarily, that that's the
Speaker 1: asking I hate, but to get to meet people who
Speaker 1: have influenced my life at that point, just to say
Speaker 1: thank you. That that is that that means more to
Speaker 1: me than anything people like Don Rossis. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's as opportunities I can't pass up, and I'm
Speaker 1: getting that opportunity again this year at HeroesCon So I mean,
Speaker 1: I I think it's it's it's you know, cliche to
Speaker 1: say it's goal of life. But his legacy is secured,
Speaker 1: his books will be forever there in that, and so
Speaker 1: we hear at Marvel Alliance send our you know, thoughts
Speaker 1: and prayers to the friends and family of mister Conway
Speaker 1: and two fans are definitely in mourning with you all.
Speaker 1: But your legacy lives on and the characters in the
Speaker 1: stories you've created, yes, very much so. So all right, well,
Speaker 1: unfortunately there's no easy segue to that, but let's get
Speaker 1: into Daredevil Born Again Season two, episode seven, The Hateful
Speaker 1: Darkness pen ultimate episode. Marvel, in my opinion on Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: has had a very positive history in breaking down and
Speaker 1: bringing on a panelment episode that really raises the bar
Speaker 1: and sometimes outshines even the finale. Do you think that
Speaker 1: this season met that expectation? The presend has been set
Speaker 1: for penelement episodes.
Speaker 3: I think that this was a a very good, not great,
Speaker 3: but a very good penultimate episode. As listeners know, I
Speaker 3: judge my Daredevil episodes on by how well people catch hands.
Speaker 3: Because it is Daredevil. No one really caught hands this episode,
Speaker 3: but it was still good. Like the character, the continued
Speaker 3: character development and some of the moments of here. I
Speaker 3: will say that, uh, and I will touch more on
Speaker 3: this with some notes that.
Speaker 4: I added to our show touching it to our show
Speaker 4: notes that the.
Speaker 3: Writers of this show are are are showing a little
Speaker 3: bit of their personalities and their personal taste with within
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, it it was.
Speaker 3: It was a good episode, and it really it sets
Speaker 3: up my excitement going into the finale.
Speaker 2: No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good episode. I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it is the It's an interesting one where
Speaker 1: I think it it has, like you said, set up
Speaker 1: the chess board.
Speaker 2: It by no means it's the best panult of but episode.
Speaker 1: It is one that I think really brought a couple of.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: What is it just it's hard to kind of say that,
Speaker 1: especially when we know season three is happening at that point.
Speaker 1: Like I've been I've been lucky. I've not seen any
Speaker 1: of this head photos. I don't know how I've been
Speaker 1: able to avoid it, but I have.
Speaker 4: But I did like.
Speaker 2: Some lucky you I know. Yeah, I have seen some
Speaker 2: of the twists.
Speaker 1: And turns from the you know, ideas of what's going
Speaker 1: to be happening. But I like some of the the
Speaker 1: change the not the changes, but some of the revelations
Speaker 1: and some of the things that you I've kind of
Speaker 1: predicted and talked about the show. They seem to be
Speaker 1: kind of making, uh, bringing to fruition. So yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyways, what do you think we should we start
Speaker 1: talking about it?
Speaker 3: Spoiler wall, Yeah, I will say to your point about
Speaker 3: the spoilers, two of my three factor fictions this week
Speaker 3: had to get axed because I unfortunately I'm good on Twitter,
Speaker 3: but if someone throws something on Instagram, and it's really
Speaker 3: hard for me to be able to avoid that because
Speaker 3: it will just.
Speaker 4: Pop out of nowhere. And yeah, I caught some of
Speaker 4: those spoilers and I was so mad because I was like, well,
Speaker 4: X snay that, X snay that.
Speaker 2: But yeah on that.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's let's go ahead and get into episode seven,
Speaker 3: The Hateful Darkness.
Speaker 2: Make sure you point those out when they come up.
Speaker 1: So all right, So the episode opened when the aftermath
Speaker 1: of the violent crackdown outside of city Hall. Bloodstains at
Speaker 1: the steps of city Hall, candles and personal.
Speaker 2: Belongings remain on the street.
Speaker 1: Mass casts you know, all all the things are happening,
Speaker 1: and Matt, back in Daredevil suit, moves through the streets,
Speaker 1: listening carefully as the city reacts. Meanwhile, Karen Page is
Speaker 1: being processed by police and taking a holding sale. Wilson
Speaker 1: fitst visits her personally. He accuses Karen of helping destroy
Speaker 1: everything he is trying to build, calling her accomplished, a
Speaker 1: deranged vigilante, and framing her as a criminal disguised as
Speaker 1: a hero. This insists that while the public might see
Speaker 1: her as heroic, he sees her as only chaos and disobedience.
Speaker 4: Ha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that big ha that that takes place
Speaker 3: of me. And it is funny because Marvel has released
Speaker 3: a two hour just replay of the ha.
Speaker 2: It's of the essence of the Zemo dance, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so in a little bit of again art imitating life.
Speaker 3: You know, Fist knows who Daredevil is, who this vigilante is.
Speaker 3: He he knows both sides of Matt Martin, but the
Speaker 3: way that he talks about him as this deranged vigilante
Speaker 3: or talking about the chaos and the disobedience, like, you know,
Speaker 3: this guy is doing good to the evil.
Speaker 4: That you're doing.
Speaker 3: But you, in your mind, everything you do is for
Speaker 3: the quote unquote greater good or making New York better,
Speaker 3: and you can't see past the chaos that you are creating.
Speaker 3: And it's it's just it's such an interesting facet to
Speaker 3: his character that you know, he he is creating all
Speaker 3: this civil unrest, but to him, it's everyone else's fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Karen's not want to back down.
Speaker 1: She she tells him she's never seen him so scared before,
Speaker 1: and that she likes it now.
Speaker 2: Karen, Karen's channeling. You know, she's learned a lot. You know,
Speaker 2: she's not the timid, you know, secretary anymore. She's spending
Speaker 2: time with Frank, spending time with Matt and Foggy. You
Speaker 2: know she is. I love it.
Speaker 1: The comment hits a nerve with Fisk, reaches through the
Speaker 1: bars and grabs her by the throat and tightens the
Speaker 1: grip before coldly reminding her that this is about order.
Speaker 2: Yep, and you like your comments here?
Speaker 4: This show has a fetish. This is officially a choke
Speaker 4: counter number one for this episode, and I say that
Speaker 4: you should know that means that there are going to
Speaker 4: be more choke onnor had.
Speaker 2: A few had an interesting one last week. Oh boy.
Speaker 1: So Karen fires back, telling him that he went too
Speaker 1: far the night before and that both the city, both
Speaker 1: both she and the city know it. But before leaving,
Speaker 1: Fist tells her that she has one phone call and
Speaker 1: warrants her to choose carefully.
Speaker 2: And this is what I know.
Speaker 1: I kind of had talked about that, and this was
Speaker 1: this was the factor fiction I had is not necessarily
Speaker 1: vanessa death being inadvertently caused by Fist, but that the
Speaker 1: death of Vanessa would push him over the edge that
Speaker 1: he would go to. I'm not saying Vanessa totally always
Speaker 1: kept him in line, but his calculations were more. He
Speaker 1: is acting on emotion, he's acting on vengeance, and she's right.
Speaker 2: And I think again, I.
Speaker 1: Think this part of him realizes that she's also right,
Speaker 1: but won't obviously a good he won't admit it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could tell that without Vanessa in his life,
Speaker 3: he he is unraveling and he's becoming unhinged and that
Speaker 3: ability to kind of rain himself in where in the
Speaker 3: past a little bit, since he's become mayor and his
Speaker 3: rise to power as mayor, he's he's been raining himself in.
Speaker 3: He's been calming down and not reacting so easily. But
Speaker 3: now that that anchor point isn't there, he's he's letting
Speaker 3: loose a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we go back to Jessica Jones. It pays
Speaker 3: mister Charles a visit, a very personal visit, as I
Speaker 3: like to say.
Speaker 1: She confronts him over the armed men that sent to
Speaker 1: the house and his daughter was and her daughter was inside,
Speaker 1: and Charle's like, oh, well, I only told them to
Speaker 1: warn her to back off, not to hurt the child.
Speaker 1: But Jessica makes it very clear that no, that's not
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They were going to harm it,
Speaker 1: and that to back off or she will kill him.
Speaker 2: But there he mentioned something to her. He's afraid. But
Speaker 2: then he.
Speaker 3: Says something, Yeah, he lets her know that you're a
Speaker 3: lot to talk, bud. He's heard it through the grapevine
Speaker 3: that her powers don't work as well as they used to.
Speaker 3: He knows that she's been having a glitch ever since.
Speaker 1: Danielle yeah, and so she asked about the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: luke cage and Charles informs her that Luke is currently
Speaker 1: working a job overseas so she doesn't have to which
Speaker 1: was a lot of our theories that were going around.
Speaker 1: So this basically outright without her saying it. That's their kid,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not going to go as far as saying
Speaker 1: they're married necessarily because I could see Jessica just basically Luke,
Speaker 1: you know, Jessica saying I'm not marrying you, but we
Speaker 1: can live together, and you know, you just she doesn't
Speaker 1: seem the one to be the marrying type yet. No,
Speaker 1: she does in the comics.
Speaker 3: But right now, no, yeah, like we said before, in
Speaker 3: the comics, you know that they're married. They have this
Speaker 3: They have a child named Danielle, who's named after her godfather,
Speaker 3: Danny Ran since the Danielle, so all signs point to
Speaker 3: her and Luke are together and everything else like that.
Speaker 3: So they are setting the seeds up for her reasoning
Speaker 3: behind being a part of this.
Speaker 1: So he claims that she accuses him of orchestrating this
Speaker 1: arm deal, but he explains the deal is dead since
Speaker 1: the two Vigilantis destroy the weapons. He claims to be
Speaker 1: finished with this business and mentions that the governor wants
Speaker 1: this out, though he doubts Jessica can pull off a
Speaker 1: move against him without facing serious danger. Hellson reveals something
Speaker 1: bigger the governor, Governor McCaffrey is trying to remove this
Speaker 1: from power, and this may be preparing to stop her permanently.
Speaker 1: Just takes the information to Matt. Though neither of them
Speaker 1: fully trust Charles, the warning makes sense. McCaffrey is the
Speaker 1: one person with power to revoke this free part charter
Speaker 1: and truly damage his operation. So and again that's they
Speaker 1: kind of set the seeds for that when the governor
Speaker 1: was coming and found the you know, the charter of
Speaker 1: from way back when.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they they've been building on the dissension between he
Speaker 3: and the governor and then being at odds and feeling
Speaker 3: very differently about a lot of things.
Speaker 1: So then we head to you know, on the roof,
Speaker 1: we get a I had a blink and I was
Speaker 1: like WHOA. Cherry comes onto the scene and he updates
Speaker 1: Matt on karen situation. She has been officially booked and
Speaker 1: is being fast tracked into vigilante Corps. Cherry warns Matt
Speaker 1: that breaking her out would only prove this right and
Speaker 1: turn Matt exactly into what this wants them to be.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Cherry's alive.
Speaker 1: I you know that around Yeah, just like he They
Speaker 1: gave it a lot of times saying Okay, I can
Speaker 1: buy that he recovered instead of just an episode later
Speaker 1: he looks like he's not.
Speaker 2: He's completely fine, you know. So it was a nice surprise.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, Jessica makes it clear that she can't stay. She's
Speaker 2: not getting involved.
Speaker 1: She came to deal with Charles, tells them to back off.
Speaker 1: She's gotten all she needs. Before leaving, She'd gives Matt
Speaker 1: one final warning. This will not stop unless someone stops
Speaker 1: him first aka permanently.
Speaker 3: Yeah again, Jessica is not the type to shy away
Speaker 3: from doing the dirty work if she has to. You know,
Speaker 3: we saw that with kill Gray, We've seen that with
Speaker 3: some of.
Speaker 4: Her other adversaries.
Speaker 3: So she she's looking at things a lot different than
Speaker 3: Matt is, who still has that guilt, still has that
Speaker 3: I have to do things, you know, this way, I
Speaker 3: have to try and save everybody. So back at the
Speaker 3: high Out, Matt releases Bullseye, giving him what may be
Speaker 3: his only chance of redemption. He tells Dex exactly how
Speaker 3: he feels. He hates him for Foggy Nelson's death and
Speaker 3: every innocent life he's destroyed. As you say, hashtag justice
Speaker 3: for Agent Negan need him, and part of him wants
Speaker 3: to kill him. Another part of him believes he needs
Speaker 3: to forgive him. This is not about saving Dex, It's
Speaker 3: about protecting others. Matt offers him one final opportunity to
Speaker 3: do something good to balance the scales even slightly. Dex accepts, though,
Speaker 3: although he makes no promises about who who he is
Speaker 3: capable of being.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad it says like even slightly. He's like,
Speaker 2: ain't gonna be. You gotta do a lot of good
Speaker 2: deeds to balance those scales. I mean the man is
Speaker 2: a mass murderer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you killed a lot of people.
Speaker 3: You killed the people at the bulletin, you killed the
Speaker 3: people at the church, like you've done some things. You
Speaker 3: killed Deem like you you were doing all the one
Speaker 3: good deed here there is not going to save you
Speaker 3: like you're about to have it. If you want a
Speaker 3: redemption arc, it's about to be a heavy redemption arc.
Speaker 1: You know, one good deal indeed is not enough to
Speaker 1: uh to save a man's life, Yeah, but it is
Speaker 1: enough to condemn him.
Speaker 2: Jack Sparrow said that.
Speaker 1: Karen is later visited by another surprise on the scene,
Speaker 1: Brett Mahone. Mahoney reprized by Royce Johnson, who quietly helps
Speaker 1: her get out of jail long enough to meet Matt.
Speaker 1: Have a little tender heartedness waiting in the shadows, and
Speaker 1: Matt and Karen finally reunite, embracing and telling him everything's happened.
Speaker 1: Karen tells him that Fist visited her and something is changing.
Speaker 1: He is planning something bigger, and she believes he is
Speaker 1: preparing to destroy them publicly and permanently. Matt does agree
Speaker 1: with her on that this is losing the city and
Speaker 1: he knows it, and that means he will use the
Speaker 1: court to humiliate Karen and make the public celebrated. So now,
Speaker 1: I mean, we knew he was coming back, but you know,
Speaker 1: at this point it was it was gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the two episodes.
Speaker 2: But it was a nice surprise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was good to see him.
Speaker 3: He was the Precinct fifth, the Precinct fifteen contact that
Speaker 3: they had, and he comes in and I did, like
Speaker 3: you know, in the moment between Matt and Karen, they
Speaker 3: both acknowledge that, hey, we're seeing each other right now, but.
Speaker 4: She's going to have to go back to her cell.
Speaker 3: Like, we have to carry this out because if I
Speaker 3: try and break you out, it's just going to cause
Speaker 3: more problems. Nothing good can come of this. Like, so
Speaker 3: we're going to have our moment, but you do have
Speaker 3: to go back to your cell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that reveals that stopping fists may require crossing
Speaker 1: lines of them expected. Karen immediately understands what he means
Speaker 1: and tells him no. She refuses to let him go
Speaker 1: that far, and the emotional tension between them breaks and
Speaker 1: they kissed before Karen returns to the cell. Again, that
Speaker 1: is the right move, that that she's right, you can't
Speaker 1: leave it or fist wins. So Dia Holkberg holchenbergs you Ma.
Speaker 1: Hochberg meets with meets with Kingpin to discuss the case.
Speaker 1: This demands that he that he excuse me, that she
Speaker 1: be charged with every possible offense, and the DA notes
Speaker 1: that the Attorney General will want to involve himself, but
Speaker 1: this is indifferent. Heather Glenn arrived shortly after for a
Speaker 1: meeting with Fisk, and the day asked for her expertise
Speaker 1: on Karen's case. Before departing, Heather asked Fist for how
Speaker 1: he's doing, and he admits that he is feeling alone
Speaker 1: expression appreciation for where he presents her with a red
Speaker 1: earring that matches the one that she stole in the
Speaker 1: previous episode.
Speaker 2: That little klepto.
Speaker 3: That that was a moment when he opened up that
Speaker 3: drawer and there was the matching earring.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, where's this going.
Speaker 2: Oh, we all were hoping it was going to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: And she apologizes but tells him her not to, noting
Speaker 1: that he finds it cures and people act on impulse.
Speaker 1: He gives her the matching airing to keep.
Speaker 3: That was an interesting sequence there, Uh, not going where
Speaker 3: I was expected.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think Fisk is playing with his food.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was This is not the Fists that
Speaker 3: we all are used to at all, and for especially
Speaker 3: considering that what she stole was something that you know,
Speaker 3: is the reminder of Vanessa's the reminder of that love.
Speaker 3: Like in the past he has put people's heads.
Speaker 4: In car dwarves for less.
Speaker 1: And then turned to the screen and says I'm Wilson
Speaker 1: Fists aka kimping. You're watching You're watching Darried Born Again
Speaker 1: on Disney Plus. Hey, we all predicted it. It's happening,
Speaker 1: all right, so we go. Hey, remember Daniel, Well we're going,
Speaker 1: we're heading back. So at daniel mother's house, he has
Speaker 1: kept Beaty overnight for her protection that little kidnapper, much
Speaker 1: to her anger. Daniel is also struggling, knowing he cannot
Speaker 1: continue to stall on Buck. He apologizes for how they
Speaker 1: have used each other and ask if he was working
Speaker 1: with it with with she was working with Karen. She
Speaker 1: doesn't answer, but lashes out at him for bastardizing her
Speaker 1: work with the bb report. She claims that Fitsz killed
Speaker 1: her uncle. Though Daniel is reluctant to believe it, they
Speaker 1: both know it's true. He tells her Buck is waiting
Speaker 1: for his call and that they need to run. When
Speaker 1: she asks for her phone, he refuses to trust her
Speaker 1: with it. He has then seen texting bucket address. Buck
Speaker 1: receives it in Kington's office. This tells that Daniel's finally
Speaker 1: being useful. They watch the news coverage of Karen's trial,
Speaker 1: wondering if she will draw out a Bigger Fish aka Daredevil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the moments between Daniel and BB were, you know,
Speaker 3: a little bit awkward again. They they know that they've
Speaker 3: both been kind of keeping something from the other, playing
Speaker 3: both sides of everything, you know, So for Daniel to
Speaker 3: be so surprised at this and then when she says like, look,
Speaker 3: we all know that fist killed my uncle, and Daniel's like,
Speaker 3: you don't know that for sure, and She's like, come on,
Speaker 3: you know, I know everyone knows I hit it on
Speaker 3: a podcast.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen. They were telling me supplements too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So like it's just Daniel's still in that mode of
Speaker 3: you know, I want to believe what I've been working
Speaker 3: with it is for the greater good. But he knows,
Speaker 3: I mean, especially after that ride with Buck and everything else, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you've been into some shady shit, my guy.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So before we head into the courtroom, we're gonna take
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back, and we are back. So we
Speaker 1: head into the courtroom and you know, she's beside Kirsten
Speaker 1: McDuffie has cameras and reporters fill the room. District Attorney
Speaker 1: is there open to aggressively presenting Karen as a criminal
Speaker 1: responsive for aiding and abetting the terrorists, violence and collapse
Speaker 1: of public order? This one woman h Kirsten response by
Speaker 1: framing the entire question what is a vigilante? Is a
Speaker 1: vigilante someone who breaks into the law for personal justice
Speaker 1: or the last resort when the broken system can no
Speaker 1: longer provide justice for all?
Speaker 4: Oh burn, Yeah, it's like we're.
Speaker 3: Really having everyone in there take a look, and you know,
Speaker 3: the judges even tell her like, there's no jury to
Speaker 3: play to here, and mcdufferrey responds back, she goes, are
Speaker 3: you sure about that? Because we still have all these cameras,
Speaker 3: there's still the court of public opinion onion like that
Speaker 3: there are people that I can play to here.
Speaker 1: And before the trial continues, she says she's waiting for
Speaker 1: her co counsel and judge is like, well, who are
Speaker 1: you talking about, and then all the piammer paneling comes
Speaker 1: in and Matt Murdoch comes into the courtroom, Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: for the defense, and everyone's like, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, Matt Murdoch is alive.
Speaker 1: He's back for being missing and cares as Kirsten's co
Speaker 1: counsel and taking place beside her as the president RUPs
Speaker 1: around him.
Speaker 2: Fist watches the news from his office, clearly furious because
Speaker 2: that's not who he was expecting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a cool moment. I'd say that was
Speaker 1: a really really cool moment.
Speaker 3: It was he he comes in there, you know, has
Speaker 3: his keen again, the glasses on, suited up, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, yes, we got lawyer met back in there.
Speaker 3: That the crowd has a hush over it. You could
Speaker 3: tell the Vigilante Taskforce members are like super uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, feeling too good.
Speaker 1: So Matt immediately turns to the court room against the
Speaker 1: anti Vigilanti Task Force. He questions Pale directly about the
Speaker 1: task force mission, who he and who created both the
Speaker 1: force and its operating roles.
Speaker 2: The answer is Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 1: Kirsten follows up by exposing the absurdly of heavily armed officers,
Speaker 1: claiming they were only there performing a welfare check at
Speaker 1: Matt's apartment. She pushes harder directly raising questions about Hector
Speaker 1: allah Ala and this broader abuse of power. Watching the
Speaker 1: tribal fil Governor McCaffrey realizes that the moment has come.
Speaker 1: She calls the attorney Gentleman orders the suspension Baberk to
Speaker 1: move forward to order and end this rain as you
Speaker 1: know rain as you know it's ending the freeport.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And you know this is interesting when they
Speaker 3: are talking to Pal and everyone else, they're like, so,
Speaker 3: how'd you end up here?
Speaker 4: In what was going on? And you can tell like that.
Speaker 3: They're trying to to stand firm on their convictions, but
Speaker 3: also they know like, uh, we're kind of caught up here,
Speaker 3: like there's there's only so much that I.
Speaker 4: Can say or do and still come off as the good.
Speaker 3: Guys, where I really just that there's no there's no
Speaker 3: answer for the stuff that we've been doing.
Speaker 4: And they know it, and it's hard to get around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, uh, Daniel drives Bby to bucks location. She becomes
Speaker 1: very suspicious and admids his guilt and confessing his role
Speaker 1: and burying Christophe Christophe's body. He reaches the destination and
Speaker 1: begins dragging her out of the car. You know this
Speaker 1: is New York. No one's gonna say anything because you
Speaker 1: know that's truly New York. She asked him if he's
Speaker 1: really if this is really who he wants to be,
Speaker 1: sparking a change of heart. Who turns the phone, tells
Speaker 1: her to run and hide, go and goes to meet
Speaker 1: Buck alone. So we know this is gonna get star
Speaker 1: getting interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The Intividulian task Force waits for Matt to leave the
Speaker 1: courthouse while the f remains at home in the parking
Speaker 1: Garager group of honest honest officers attempts to escort Matt
Speaker 1: and Kirsten to safety, but they are ambushed by the
Speaker 1: anti Vigilian to task Force. Matt protects Kirsten during the
Speaker 1: onslaught while Cherry and Angie Kim fight back. Matt is
Speaker 1: ultimately is ultimately shot in the leg, but he and
Speaker 1: Kirsten managed to escape. He takes that shot, He takes
Speaker 1: that sleg pretty well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm bold moved by the task Force just
Speaker 3: rolling through there fully suited up, like not even hiding
Speaker 3: who they are, and going after Matt while he's under
Speaker 3: the protection of the NYPD.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was a pretty intense sequence, so
Speaker 2: it was a good move.
Speaker 3: So at the same time this is happening, Governor McCaffrey
Speaker 3: is being an assassination Champion has done in her life
Speaker 3: and trying to strangle her before he can finish the job,
Speaker 3: Blade strike out from the shadows.
Speaker 2: And Bull's Eye appears.
Speaker 1: Without saying much, she silently saves the governor, giving that
Speaker 1: exactly what he asks for.
Speaker 3: One genuine good act. So he thinks he's free and clear.
Speaker 1: That's not how low, that's not how life works, but whatever,
Speaker 1: and he's smiling as the police arrive.
Speaker 2: And this is choke counter. Do we call this joking?
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 4: She gets choked in some manner. So choke counter number two.
Speaker 1: So Daniel decides to face the music and meets Buck
Speaker 1: in the abandoned apartment. When Buck asks where BB is,
Speaker 1: Daniel tells him she isn't coming. Disappointed in his protege,
Speaker 1: Buck repeatedly demands her location. Daniel finally stands up to him,
Speaker 1: and Buck responds the only way he knows how, headbutting
Speaker 1: him and doing what and beating him viciously? What else
Speaker 1: does he do?
Speaker 4: He gets him in a rear naked choke choke counter
Speaker 4: number three.
Speaker 2: Number three, going for the hat trick. Blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Uh this was I. I have issues with Daniel and
Speaker 3: and and and I'm gonna speak to Daniel Manda. Man, bro,
Speaker 3: you you doing a lot for somebody who gave you
Speaker 3: so little my guy, Like, yeah, y'all wasn't at that
Speaker 3: stage in y'all relationship yet. And you willing to stand
Speaker 3: toe to toe with Buck, who you know is a
Speaker 3: trained killer for this girl, Like, my, dude, well, what
Speaker 3: is it about her that that you willing to step
Speaker 3: up and say f you Buck to his face, knowing
Speaker 3: what was about to happen like that?
Speaker 4: I you're simping over here, Daniel, And that's what you
Speaker 4: got got.
Speaker 1: Yep, So back in yourself. Karen is visited by Heather.
Speaker 1: This is probably my favorite.
Speaker 2: Scene in the entire episode.
Speaker 1: His behavior has become increasingly erratic a little bit. Karen
Speaker 1: declines a psychological valuation from her knowing Heather is working
Speaker 1: for Kingpin. When Heather insists that isn't how it works,
Speaker 1: Karen claims that she already knows how to beat the
Speaker 1: questionnaire and suggests they try something else, Karen begins talking
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Matt and Code, which visibly agitates
Speaker 1: Karen Heather. Karen strikes a nerve, prompting Heather to turn
Speaker 1: off her recorder and get parsonal. She brings up Karen's history,
Speaker 1: specifically the deaths of her brother and Wesley, as well
Speaker 1: as her relationship with Matt and Frank Castle. The two
Speaker 1: exchange barbes about Matt until Karen asks Heather if she
Speaker 1: knew Vanessa had Foggy killed.
Speaker 2: Karen asked if.
Speaker 1: Heather ran into the fist because Matt Dumpter, then mockingly
Speaker 1: apologizes for going too far. Heather has another muse vision
Speaker 1: and slaps Karen across the face. She warns Karen not
Speaker 1: to pity her, but Karen says it's too head there,
Speaker 1: strikes her again even harder, and Karen laughs in her face,
Speaker 1: and Heather abruptly ends the season. This was I mean,
Speaker 1: this was probably the moment I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's the first time I actually like Heather as a character.
Speaker 3: This is the most depth I think we've gotten out
Speaker 3: of Heather. Like, I love the exchange between her and Karen.
Speaker 3: Karen's like, yeah, let's not do this. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: something else. Let's talk about what it's like to be
Speaker 3: in love with an emotionally unavailable man, and to be
Speaker 3: in love with that man who then has to leave
Speaker 3: you every night because he has his sense of duty
Speaker 3: to save others. And like you could tell, she is
Speaker 3: just poking and prodding at Heather and it is great,
Speaker 3: Like she never mentions Matt's name once or mentions bad
Speaker 3: the daredevil things. But it's just like ah, she's she's
Speaker 3: getting you right right where she knows she can.
Speaker 1: Yep so, but continues to torture Daniel, though badly be
Speaker 1: and Daniel continues to protect Phoebe. Buck draws his gun
Speaker 1: and Daniel makes one final attempt to reason with him,
Speaker 1: asking him how long will it be before Buck is
Speaker 1: the one on the floor with a gun to his head.
Speaker 1: Karen is returned to her cell with a visible bruising
Speaker 1: on her face. King Pantasine at home pondering his next move.
Speaker 1: Matt returns to the Clinton Church asks the Samarian to
Speaker 1: pray for him. Feeling helpless and alone, He prays for
Speaker 1: God to help him and pray for him.
Speaker 2: In his time of need.
Speaker 1: Just as he finishes some someone walks in with very
Speaker 1: infamous boots Jesse.
Speaker 4: We get that that scene from the trailer with those
Speaker 4: boots walking in the church, Jessica.
Speaker 1: Jones is back again right at the moment, and so
Speaker 1: as the episode ends with a gunshot to the head
Speaker 1: as Buck executes Daniel, and that's how the episode ends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sets up.
Speaker 1: It's very very interesting of how this this season is
Speaker 1: gonna gonna be, you know, I think all in all,
Speaker 1: so far, the you know, it's it's been a it's
Speaker 1: been a more consistent season, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very different tonally and consistently to last to
Speaker 3: season one. There's definitely a difference, a good difference.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I am.
Speaker 3: I'm happy with where this is headed. I was not
Speaker 3: going into this episode. I was not expecting everything with
Speaker 3: Daniel to happen so much. I thought that we would
Speaker 3: probably have another episode with him. I did think that
Speaker 3: something was going to go down with him. I did
Speaker 3: not think that he was going to survive this season,
Speaker 3: but I thought that maybe he and BB were going
Speaker 3: to be on the run from Buck a little bit
Speaker 3: more instead of where they took it. But I do
Speaker 3: think that that final scene was impactful, not only full
Speaker 3: or you know, the loss of Daniel's character again another
Speaker 3: one of.
Speaker 6: The the good people are one of the people who
Speaker 6: had some morality to them and could kind of see
Speaker 6: that maybe we're not doing the right thing here.
Speaker 3: And even Buck at that moment right beforehand, was like,
Speaker 3: uh am I doing what's right? Does it anyway? But
Speaker 3: you could tell like people are struggling with their role
Speaker 3: within this administration right now.
Speaker 1: Well, it's very interesting because the actress who plays Bbe
Speaker 1: went on the Brandon Davis Show for his main character Spotlight,
Speaker 1: and she revealed that they did shoot a scene where
Speaker 1: Buck doesn't shoot Daniel. That would be a very interesting
Speaker 1: kind of play in the sense of, like, you know, attention.
Speaker 1: They did both scenes, so there probably was some debate
Speaker 1: of like which way they want to go with him.
Speaker 1: I would love to see what the idea was for
Speaker 1: how that was gonna play out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so, like I said, we had Daniel come
Speaker 3: to terms with you know, his moraley. We've had Sheila
Speaker 3: in previous episodes, and now we had that quick glimmer
Speaker 3: of Buck, you know, having just at least taking a
Speaker 3: second thought before pulling the trigger. Like all the people
Speaker 3: around Fisk are are having moments except for Heather. She's
Speaker 3: full on embrace the darkness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's gonna be very interesting to
Speaker 1: see how she ends up. But you know, we've made
Speaker 1: our predictions already. I don't see that. I see that
Speaker 1: more and more coming true.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but all right.
Speaker 1: Well we will see the final episode of the season
Speaker 1: of Dared Devil Born Again is coming at US next
Speaker 1: week and then followed up by the Punisher special presentation.
Speaker 1: So we've got two more weeks of pretty solid content
Speaker 1: coming at you.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to see the end of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go rolling right into our only news item.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's gonna seem like didn't we just
Speaker 3: talk about this? Are we just recycling content because we
Speaker 3: need it? No, that's not what's happening.
Speaker 2: So let me no, there we go. Wasn't shown up?
Speaker 2: All right? Yes, we have a new Spider Man noir trailer.
Speaker 2: This one interesting enough.
Speaker 1: They actually put in both black and black and white
Speaker 1: and authentic black white, and then you could also view
Speaker 1: this in.
Speaker 2: True hue color.
Speaker 1: But we will watch it at this point in the
Speaker 1: lower thing. But you know, we'll do the sound on
Speaker 1: and everything like that. So let's see what Sony is
Speaker 1: doing with this.
Speaker 2: There you go back a little bit.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we get our first kind of you get
Speaker 1: another look at Electro.
Speaker 2: Gotta love it.
Speaker 1: And there's Nick Cage being Nick Cage.
Speaker 4: Full Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: He's definitely putting on some sort of kind of accent
Speaker 2: with this, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's leaning heavy into that kind of old schooly
Speaker 3: Brooklyn style.
Speaker 2: Yep. Cool look at the city. And then we got
Speaker 2: silver Main.
Speaker 1: I just love I mean again, it's it's you say
Speaker 1: what you wanted about this, just how they're filming this
Speaker 1: and the black and white just looks so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I.
Speaker 3: Said before that that that is going to be my
Speaker 3: viewing of choice is going to be the black and white.
Speaker 4: I just it fits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little Spider again.
Speaker 1: Despite my chagrin, his name is Ben Riley.
Speaker 2: Hashtag not my Ben Riley.
Speaker 1: I I probably I still I've actually looking forward to
Speaker 1: the show, but it's just like, yeah, there's only one
Speaker 1: Ben Riley, and I'm sorry, you're you're not mine.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen I haven't seen one cut off hoodie yet. Yep,
Speaker 3: she's a theem fatale of this season. So yeah, we
Speaker 3: got sand Man.
Speaker 2: Look at that. That's not bad, not bad c G. I.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that moment of the sand kind of engulfing
Speaker 3: hit his fist before the punch.
Speaker 4: That that that's a cool little motion.
Speaker 2: So he's definitely got a organic webbing.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like in that moment he's resisting it
Speaker 1: and says, you know what, no, I'm not gonna just
Speaker 1: die like this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again we we've got that organic webbing being
Speaker 4: shown as it's.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm pretty now it's organic webbing, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's it's looking like it.
Speaker 1: I do like the look. I mean again, they got
Speaker 1: the look from the comics pretty down.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 2: I love the Yeah there we go bamah yeah h bam.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool effect.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that sequence that that that's spire Man
Speaker 3: that's swinging through just look looks amazing. And we got
Speaker 3: our first look at Man Spider, you know, so they're
Speaker 3: doing some experimentation.
Speaker 1: That's creepy. That's very creepy. But that's Man Spider Tombstone
Speaker 1: h repeatedly. Yeah, and I like it that again, he's
Speaker 1: not portrayed as the the And okay, so let's take
Speaker 1: a look at that real quick.
Speaker 3: Yeah that that that's organic.
Speaker 2: That's organic glid they did. They did it on purpose
Speaker 2: to show that that Cliff there yet Spider Noir, authentic
Speaker 2: black and white true you.
Speaker 1: Now, they did actually put this trailer out in the
Speaker 1: True Who. So if you want to see what it
Speaker 1: would look like, you know, it's not not my cup
Speaker 1: of tea, but I'll definitely at least give it an
Speaker 1: episode just to watch us to see it. Yes, so
Speaker 1: that I mean again, it's still increasing my keeping my
Speaker 1: hot for this show pretty well, much to our chagrin,
Speaker 1: it is going to release all episodes that on that date.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think we're gonna end up doing
Speaker 1: what we did with wonder Man Who, is going to
Speaker 1: break it up into two because even though it's you know,
Speaker 1: our summers would have officially begun by that point, I
Speaker 1: think there's something to be said just to kind of
Speaker 1: spread it out and give ourselves a break on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to do a.
Speaker 1: Quick little check on some of the socials. I don't
Speaker 1: believe anything came in for questions this week. No not
Speaker 1: there no questions there, and I know they didn't come
Speaker 1: on on Twitter. So yeah, so no questions this week,
Speaker 1: that's okay. You know some weeks it happened some weeks
Speaker 1: that you know, they're probably maybe a few that are
Speaker 1: coming our way when in the final episode drops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the finales do tend to garner more questions, especially
Speaker 3: where do we think things are going next? All right,
Speaker 3: so fact or fiction? Let me pull those up from
Speaker 3: last week. All right, fact or fiction number one, come on?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I love it when you're trying to find it and
Speaker 3: they don't want to, they don't want to come up,
Speaker 3: and you got all this lovely dead airs.
Speaker 2: Oh there we go. So hmm, well this is interesting.
Speaker 2: There was voting happened.
Speaker 3: But now I must say, because I know that I've voted,
Speaker 3: and now it's I'm looking at it on my end
Speaker 3: and it's not showing either.
Speaker 1: So that's the first because I know votes were happening.
Speaker 1: I checked it yesterday and votes had happened, so interesting
Speaker 1: enough for the first time Marvel Lines history, the polls
Speaker 1: did get posted. But now Twitter being Twitter, it's showing
Speaker 1: absolutely no results, like zero percent, like there was absoutely
Speaker 1: no votes. And I know there were a number of
Speaker 1: votes posted.
Speaker 2: For the So yeah, so I got nothing for you guys.
Speaker 4: We're just gonna say everyone agreed with everything that we said.
Speaker 2: Cool yes to David, maybe you have better luck this
Speaker 2: week when I post him, But uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, where are they? Oh well, I
Speaker 3: guess that never happened, So all right, David, your turn
Speaker 3: this week. So, like I said, I did have to
Speaker 3: scramble a little bit because this week's episode, plus some
Speaker 3: stuff from the leaks did knocked out my factor of fiction.
Speaker 3: So factor fiction number one Matt will sacrifice his identity
Speaker 3: to save Karen.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you know, I guess it. I I've my prediction
Speaker 1: is that Matt's gonna end up. You know, his secret's
Speaker 1: gonna get out and it's gonna go to jail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. I definitely think that's very,
Speaker 2: very plausible. It's not gonna go fact on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, me too. I I think that that is
Speaker 3: the the from this version of Matt we've seen that
Speaker 3: that seems like something that he would do if it
Speaker 3: meant keeping her out of trouble. Is taking admitting that
Speaker 3: he is jaredevil in sacrifice.
Speaker 2: In that identity. So what do you got next?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: Number two, we will get a very Nick Cage slash
Speaker 3: over the top spider bite.
Speaker 4: Scene in Spider.
Speaker 2: Noir spider bite scene.
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, he's going full Nick Cage.
Speaker 1: He was normal before, but when he got Pitt, he
Speaker 1: became Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I say they they're leaning into it as much as
Speaker 1: they can, so why not.
Speaker 3: I I think that if you're going to cast Nick Cage,
Speaker 3: you're going to go full Nick Cage. I think everyone knows,
Speaker 3: including Nick ca at this point that it has become
Speaker 3: a walking meme and they are going to lean into it,
Speaker 3: at least for a scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all right. Number three, all right.
Speaker 3: And my last one is this is just for the
Speaker 3: fun of it. Bull's Eye will return as part of
Speaker 3: the new Abingers. No, I'm with our I'm with Travis
Speaker 3: over a geek burst on this one.
Speaker 2: Thunderbolts. I need him on Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1: He'll kill everyone in the room and it'll just be
Speaker 1: a downright fight between him and Elena in the end.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I I thought about the the thunderbal say, and so
Speaker 5: I was just like, man, just having him on on that,
Speaker 5: you know, we replace Ghost as the assassin, and but
Speaker 5: it would just be be fun to see his annoyance
Speaker 5: with that level of people.
Speaker 2: I definitely would.
Speaker 1: I guess I think everyone's ending up dead and it's
Speaker 1: a fight between him and so. Yeah, but all right,
Speaker 1: well I will you can get well, I'll put those
Speaker 1: out on Sunday.
Speaker 2: We'll see if we get polls from them at that point.
Speaker 3: Let's see, we've got Kevin Davis and the Chad Hollywood
Speaker 3: trades just want Trash MCU or Star Wars right now.
Speaker 3: Josh Deamaro and Dana wal didn't focus on win back
Speaker 3: their fan base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, it's there. I think it just
Speaker 2: goes into the sense of like.
Speaker 1: People want a quality of product, and you know, it'd
Speaker 1: be interesting to see, you know again, did the did
Speaker 1: you know? Did episode the first season of Daredevil born again,
Speaker 1: burn the fans, or it was Dared Devil as popular
Speaker 1: as people thought it was, or just wanted to move
Speaker 1: on to a different Internet.
Speaker 3: Doesn't make it a bad show. It's just not as
Speaker 3: watched again, so we'll have to see. Yeah, but all right,
Speaker 3: so we do. We'll close out this episode with, as always,
Speaker 3: com up, a club age of Ultron issue seven.
Speaker 2: This was one I've been waiting for, going into an
Speaker 2: all bit of history.
Speaker 1: Then you know, we look, we look and see exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on, and they end up in this. They
Speaker 1: come back and uh, New York ain't the same, nor
Speaker 1: is the Savage.
Speaker 2: Land the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, there there's consequences. Step on a butterfly,
Speaker 3: everything changes, and yeah, they make it. He and Sue
Speaker 3: make it out of the Savage Land on their return
Speaker 3: to New York, and it looks a little bit different.
Speaker 3: There's now uh, dinosaurs and savage people in this new era.
Speaker 4: There's a.
Speaker 3: The Stark Guard is walking around trying to on patrol
Speaker 3: and keeping everything together. There's obviously there's been some changes
Speaker 3: as a result of them.
Speaker 4: Taking out Hank Pim in the past and changing things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when they get to New York. There the
Speaker 1: Fantastic Guard is attacked and instead of the Avengers showing up,
Speaker 1: the Defenders show ups. You've got a really all splotage.
Speaker 1: You got Catain America, You've got Nova, you got Doctor Strange,
Speaker 1: you got Captain Marvel, you got Hulk.
Speaker 2: You've got on.
Speaker 1: First glance until later on in the book, you think
Speaker 1: it's Cyclops. No, it's Cable Wolverine and is brown and
Speaker 1: tan and a very much battle damaged thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both Hulk and Thing have are shown some damage,
Speaker 3: like one half of Hulk. You can tell it's a
Speaker 3: little bit beat up.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: We've got Colonel America, I believe his new title in this.
Speaker 3: And yet it's an interesting grouping for this Defenders looking
Speaker 3: nick furious with the patch YEP.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, they they.
Speaker 1: Are very much of the idea that the and they
Speaker 1: mentioned it while in the Savage Land, uh the scroll invasion.
Speaker 1: So they're kind of saying, you know, they're not they're
Speaker 1: not scrolls, but they knowsy not trust them. And even
Speaker 1: as they're trying to escape as invisible, Wolverine's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna work. I'm a hunter and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: confident that my guy is still gonna do.
Speaker 4: It's like, if I can smell him, he can smell me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like this kind of cat and mouse
Speaker 1: kind of game that they've got going on, and they
Speaker 1: get to stand toe to toe and our Wolverine is
Speaker 1: able to take down their other one and kind of
Speaker 1: filey his back a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he even says, he's like, don't don't worry,
Speaker 3: you'll walk away from this.
Speaker 4: You'll you'll heal.
Speaker 3: And it's when thing punches Wolverine through a wall and
Speaker 3: he gets knocked out that they realize, Okay, they're not scrolls,
Speaker 3: because scrolls would.
Speaker 4: Revert back to their normal form when knocked out.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so they bring them out and they're
Speaker 1: getting ready for interrogation and who shows up a very
Speaker 1: kind of ghostly looking Tony Stark. Yes, you wanted to
Speaker 1: tell their uncle Tony exactly what's going on here?
Speaker 3: With all these different Iron Man armors. It looks like
Speaker 3: a suit of armor around the world has been achieved.
Speaker 3: And you know what rereading this, That's the first thing
Speaker 3: I thought about when I got to that panel was
Speaker 3: this far around the world thing, like, like, well, he
Speaker 3: got his dream.
Speaker 2: He got his dream.
Speaker 1: So we will head into issue eight next week with
Speaker 1: maybe some more interest of what happened to this world.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so two ninety five in the books, looking
Speaker 1: forward to the final episode of Dareduvil Season.
Speaker 2: Two next week.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so tell David, tell people that they can follow.
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Speaker 2: All right, postcards discussion day, What you got?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: I listened to an episode of the Escape pod podcast,
Speaker 4: so you all don't have to sorry, but some of
Speaker 4: their takes are just but on this one they had
Speaker 4: uh did you.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, did you threaten me? I?
Speaker 4: I can't with with the escape Pod most days, but.
Speaker 1: I more catch I more catch the interesting takes on
Speaker 1: TikTok and that's more than enough for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But on this episode, Brad Wonderbaum was on and one
Speaker 3: of the things that he talked looked about was that
Speaker 3: Mama Milanie's Miss Marvel should be in every MCU project possible,
Speaker 3: just stating that she's incredible. So with that being said,
Speaker 3: because I totally agree, which Marvel project do you want
Speaker 3: to see her in next?
Speaker 4: And what do you want to see her doing?
Speaker 1: I mean, I again, I'm a huge amount of Vallani fan.
Speaker 1: I love the Miss Marvel character. I agree, she's still
Speaker 1: a very underused character right now. I don't necessarily need
Speaker 1: to see her in every single project. Yes, the low
Speaker 1: hanging fruit is Young Avengers Champions. That's boring, boohis we
Speaker 1: want that. I don't know if it's gonna happen or not,
Speaker 1: but that's that's the easy low hanging for an answer.
Speaker 1: What would be interesting is you know, I, you know,
Speaker 1: part of me could see her very much as kind
Speaker 1: of like a defenders in training. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: she's from you know, she's from Jersey. She brings into perspective.
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, you got a lot of these,
Speaker 1: you know, to the point of, like you had Danny
Speaker 1: Rand kind of this plucky kind of thing, plucky kind
Speaker 1: of character at that point, you know, be interesting to
Speaker 1: bring in a you know, Miss Marvel to that. You
Speaker 1: know what I would say, I would say this, let's
Speaker 1: put let's put Miss Marble on the.
Speaker 2: Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 4: That would be super, super fun.
Speaker 1: Joke's side, I don't really mean I wanted to hear
Speaker 1: on that street level of interesting, but let's put her
Speaker 1: on the Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that that that's actually a good one for me.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: I would like for them to animate her and add
Speaker 3: her to your friendly neighborhood spider Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd be down for that.
Speaker 4: I think that that she would fit amazing in that universe.
Speaker 3: And just again one of those you know, we had
Speaker 3: a little bit of Daredevil, we've had some Doctor Strange,
Speaker 3: you've had others.
Speaker 4: You know, this is somebody that you could bring in
Speaker 4: and she would fit that vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, So, yeah, it'd be interesting. Again,
Speaker 1: I think we're we are gonna see her in either
Speaker 1: Doomstair Secret Wars, but I'm looking forward to her. I
Speaker 1: don't think we're getting a headline project with Miss Marvel,
Speaker 1: but you know she's gonna be He's gonna be used,
Speaker 1: and I think they're just trying to figure out the
Speaker 1: best avenue.
Speaker 2: For But yeah, so that's our take.
Speaker 1: So we will see you next week for episode for
Speaker 1: volume two ninety six, for the final episode of season
Speaker 1: two of Dared Double Borne.
Speaker 2: Again and who knows, maybe Sony be Sony and drop
Speaker 2: another Spider Noir theory.
Speaker 1: But mister Windebaum, I know you're a listener, a loyal
Speaker 1: listener of Marvel Alliance. If you're gonna do the escape pod,
Speaker 1: you might as well.
Speaker 2: Come on Marvel Lines.
Speaker 3: You know we're we're I think that you know we're
Speaker 3: gonna make that hard pitch, and I think you're gonna
Speaker 3: you'd have a good time.
Speaker 1: We're gonna treat you a lot better. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: much more comfortable. I'm putting it out there, so come on.
Speaker 4: We don't have click bag takes, but we do have we.
Speaker 2: Have great conversation. You know what, let your hair down.
Speaker 2: We're not here to get the gotcha question. We're not
Speaker 2: here to get the scoops. We're just here to have
Speaker 2: a good time. So maybe mister Windebaum give us a call.
Speaker 2: We'd love to have you on. So all right, we'll
Speaker 2: see you next week. Bye bye, sir,