WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:07.960 You're listening to something rather than creator and host Canvalenting 2 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:12.199 that is your producer, pie A Bower. 3 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:17.640 What you do. 4 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:21.800 Your approach is very unique, you know, blending the philosophy 5 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.079 par with art and then you just have like a 6 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:27.960 killer lineup of guests. 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:31.160 So I mean, those two things to me make it 8 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.840 a really unique thing in the podcast world. 9 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:36.719 That's screwfy, thank you. 10 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.679 And then you know, the dissemination of entertainment, news and 11 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.200 everything else is so different now there's things kind of 12 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.000 like a shiny cord or sitting on the sidewalk. People 13 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:49.799 are gonna. 14 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.920 Trying to be conspected. That's so kind of you. Like 15 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.439 in talking we're recording now, like even like I realized 16 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.479 just like about the show, right, it's like such a strange, 17 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:08.000 strange thing to do. Hey, and and listeners, we've got 18 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:13.200 KGMR here and you'll hear the excitement throughout my voice, 19 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:18.079 my voice throughout the entire show. Listeners, recent performance of 20 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:25.359 dedication sounds of the great nineteen seventies show The Rockford Files. 21 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:30.159 I'm wearing the shirt. We'll get to put some video clips, 22 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:32.840 but just listeners, so you know what you popped into. 23 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:39.439 But about the show, like yeah, like it's independent, right, 24 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.000 Like who tries independent things? 25 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:41.200 Now? 26 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.159 I like, I've like, well you do, right, but like 27 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:50.359 and in Portland we do, and I like independent doing 28 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:54.439 a show. But it's like in this world like looking 29 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.959 for things right, being conspicuous like I said bomb right, 30 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.359 like like the shiny quarter. I was reading an article 31 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:05.200 two or three days ago, and let's talk about AI 32 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:09.439 podcast slap slot. Let's talk this about really dirty right. 33 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:16.479 Let's there were hundreds of shows like this one day 34 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.719 from what this one publisher about everything in the universe, 35 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.759 even at fake AI names, and it's about like everything 36 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.159 ever to be created. So like the amount of content, 37 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:33.439 like this flood of like what the fuck is it? 38 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:40.000 Like history of everything ever with you know, Janey Robot 39 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.439 and Johnny Robot your favorite AI robot guess host, like 40 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.560 even just the finding, like or the looking. I bumped 41 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:52.439 into one. So I'm a baseball nut, so I find this. 42 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.199 I didn't look at the heading or the description was 43 00:02:57.240 --> 00:03:00.639 a baseball thing baseball nut for me talking about pictures 44 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:03.840 of pictures eighty years ago players. I'm listening to it 45 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:06.400 and it was the first AI AI want I read 46 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.520 into it, like all the words were misspelled on the front. 47 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:12.159 I'm listening to this, I'm like, I don't even know 48 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.319 what I'm listening to. Is it was like blips and 49 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.719 blops and it be like the words were all wrong 50 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.400 And that was my introduction little me. Yeah, but I 51 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.560 was shocked even in podcasts right now, like the what 52 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.520 in the weird? It's like I have never seen a 53 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:37.120 flood of whatever the word is. So that's just me. 54 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:42.159 I like that you use the word slop. I was 55 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.879 just having this conversation with some folks who are pro 56 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:50.919 using AI and the creative process all videos, music, et cetera. 57 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.800 I mean, and not only is the output slop, but 58 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:59.560 I was explaining how the creative process right, when you 59 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:05.719 come up against an obstacle or a hindrance, it's a 60 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:09.639 beautiful process. And I use the backlash of the Hunter 61 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:13.520 as an example. You know, we're framing this our long 62 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:19.519 entertainment piece, and in doing that, we'd get to points 63 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:23.600 where like we knew something didn't sound right and we 64 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:25.600 couldn't figure it out, right, I couldn't figure out and 65 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.600 then mill and I, you know, he would have an 66 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.279 idea and then we'd be so fucking excited about that 67 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.199 idea and it's like, yeah, if we were using AI, 68 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:39.839 it would eliminate that whole creative process and that struggle 69 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:43.800 and then the excitement and the spark and anyway. 70 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.839 To the core of like even doing the show and 71 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.959 at any point, Bob, let me know your thoughts on this. 72 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.399 But it's like, for me, there's an application that I 73 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.720 can't stand. All right, so I'm a trained philosopher right 74 00:04:56.759 --> 00:05:00.120 in this world? What is a trained philosopher like and 75 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.480 classically training and all that stuff, But it's like, when 76 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:07.160 did people abdicate the desire for like what it is 77 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.959 to be human, like on the creating, like on the thinking, 78 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.879 like when we're like individuals say I don't want to 79 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.959 do that thinking anymore. I don't want like that magic 80 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.199 or I'm not saying everybody's doing it, but like I'm like, 81 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:23.560 I thought that was the why me doing the show. 82 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.199 I liked that. I thought that was the thing like 83 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.120 in my head. And I'm not trying to be naive. 84 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.439 I think it kind of gets a little tricky at 85 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:36.439 having thought about it quite a bit because if you 86 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:45.560 go back even there's arpeggiators and tools that aid in creation, 87 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.560 but at some point you turn the corner and it 88 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:55.560 just takes the people out of it entirely. But you know, 89 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.879 back to what kick Kim was saying, the setup for 90 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.360 or what we've got going on with the Rockford files, 91 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.600 with the backlash of the Hunter is a lot more complex, 92 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:15.600 and neither of us are great at setting up synths 93 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:22.079 and middies and the interfaces, and so part of it 94 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:24.199 is kind of like trying to jump a bicycle or 95 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.759 something for me, you know, like we go in and 96 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:29.079 set up and let's see how this works. Are we 97 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:32.879 going to lose a speaker, We're going to lose the signal. 98 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:37.759 And there's a lot of things that are super helpful 99 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:44.199 just inside the Able to Live program that could kind 100 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:49.079 of tangentially be considered to be AI because there's a 101 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.839 lot going on under the hood with the sound processing 102 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:56.160 and elimination of feedback and things like that, where in 103 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:59.959 the passage, you like drag these huge amplifiers and equipment 104 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.439 and it's it's all on you to try to figure 105 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:08.160 out how to keep them from howling and and and 106 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:11.519 being terrible. So in some ways it's easier, but in 107 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:16.360 other ways, just as you were saying, it starts to 108 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.439 remove the human aspect. I was thinking, we go and 109 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.839 visit my aunt at her apartment and she'd have some 110 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.480 YouTube thing on that was just on a loop and 111 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:32.600 it was it was just a robot telling a story 112 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.199 and it would just loop and she didn't notice. It 113 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:41.480 was kind of really disturbing, so kind of like your 114 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.199 baseball thing that it's just almost seems like nonsense, and 115 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.959 it reminds me of that Fahrenheit four fifty one or 116 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.519 whatever where they put the show on and it's just 117 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:58.480 it's just gobbledygook, you know, So trying to stay away 118 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.120 from that and then all so pulling a lot of 119 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:07.079 more vintage equipment into the mix to try to keep 120 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.920 the the human aspect there. 121 00:08:10.120 --> 00:08:14.560 With the Yeah, I loved I love the discussion because 122 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:17.079 like and I like to like queer up the discussion, 123 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:19.600 like just in the sense of like, because what you're 124 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.600 saying is true, Like there's some there's going to be 125 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.720 a process that ain't like tied to our hands, you know, 126 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.720 like that that in that tech that's going to do that. 127 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.839 So I think that there are distinctions. Right for me, 128 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.200 I was like, like there's questions I think, like that 129 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.240 we're navigating, like how close is it to us, like 130 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.120 how like do we control it or not? And I 131 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.240 think me being exposed to like somebody who typed in 132 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.159 please talk about the history of like really good baseball 133 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:52.000 players from nineteen hundred to nineteen fifty and put it 134 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:55.879 into twenty six episodes. Well, like you know, like that 135 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.960 was it. But it's a great point with technology, it 136 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:04.120 always is doing something unto itself a bit. So oh man, 137 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:05.679 we got so much to talk about, like and this 138 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:08.600 is about the rock Ford Files too, and everybody, so 139 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:13.559 let me tell you kgm are uh uh uh. Kim 140 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:17.080 and I know each other. And Bob is Bobby good too? 141 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:17.799 For you? 142 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:23.480 Fine? And Bobby I discovered there's another Bobby Reid, and 143 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:27.399 our wires kind of got crossed a little bit, probably 144 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:32.080 thanks to AI. No offense to the other Bobby Reid 145 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:36.919 ri e a d saxophonist and accomplished composer who's got 146 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:38.879 a pretty heavy online presence. 147 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.159 But God bless all the Bobby reads. And if we 148 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:46.000 just take the first initial, take the first initial and 149 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:48.720 the last name, well we're gonna go. We're gonna go 150 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.559 like bread or something. We're just we're just workshopping it 151 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:53.639 right now. We're just workshopping it. 152 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:55.679 So but I want to tell. 153 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.919 Everybody because people have to know. So I do the 154 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.960 show and obviously some I I get to meet a 155 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:06.000 great guest, like people that I never thought I would 156 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.159 ever meet, like like for me, Francis McKee of the Vasilines, 157 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:13.799 like you didn't have an interviewed her once and she's 158 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.480 a yoga practitioner. But fans might not know and listeners 159 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.720 show might know that I'm going back on kgm R 160 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.360 like a few months. This isn't just because of the 161 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:27.799 Rockford Files kind of like bait that you put out 162 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.240 for me. But I, I mean, I got the album, 163 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.799 like and and if you're if you're looking at this 164 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:37.039 video clip, I got the I got the album and 165 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.840 and recently what we're talking about here was in Portland 166 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.840 a few days ago. My partner Jenny and I went 167 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:52.799 to the performance of KGMR, which included, Uh, for me, 168 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.360 it was the Rockford Files. Now the Rockford Files you're 169 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.039 gonna tell us a little bit more about. But for 170 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:03.159 me was a show I really enjoyed and I like 171 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.960 the particularities. Not to be analytical, but seventies TV shows 172 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:12.480 were gritty. You all talk about all the different Colors 173 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.519 the weird drama. It's like, it feels like completely different 174 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:23.159 action show. My brother Chris is close in age and I. 175 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.759 We both watched The Rocker Files on reruns which would 176 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.639 run before we could access everything at the same point 177 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.840 you'd have to watch at a particular time TV. And 178 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.039 me and my brother had the type of heads where 179 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:44.080 while we watch everything, let's say of the show. So 180 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.200 you know, we were big on it. And so when 181 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.399 I heard about this show, I said, well, Portland does 182 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.200 this sometimes. It sometimes creates something that's just for me. 183 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:55.159 I don't care about the rest of the world. I 184 00:11:55.919 --> 00:12:02.279 really do, but this is for me. And you had 185 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.559 already recorded parts of your performance at that I think 186 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.360 might have been late twenty twenty five, so I'm like, 187 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.519 already I'm gonna get a taste of it. But for me, 188 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.879 quick description. I want you to talk about the project. 189 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:21.720 But for me, it was like the colors were amazing. 190 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.960 As a painter and an artist, I was like, the 191 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.840 colors on the show, that's rightly showing this me right here. 192 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:32.480 The sound and the loops and the experimentation and what 193 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:36.799 you did to like. For me, it was like expanding 194 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:41.120 out the ethos and the feel of this show and 195 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.879 almost having like an internal soundtrack to pull back onto 196 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.440 the show that came from the show. So I was 197 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.279 stripping in my head, like on the ideas of what 198 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:56.000 you were doing and anything rock for files. I'm in 199 00:12:56.080 --> 00:13:01.039 the door and then you expanded it out. But as 200 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.279 a matter of curiosity, I'm an audience for that. How 201 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.399 did you trip out on the Rockford Files? What is 202 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.320 your project? What are you trying to do? Like indulge me, 203 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.320 like this is my show in Rockcord File. I don't 204 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:19.919 know maniacs have a title. I'll find all this out, 205 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:22.639 but talk to us like about this. 206 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:29.200 So like you, the first time that I saw I 207 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.200 was pretty young and it was in syndication, so it 208 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:36.480 was the second time around. My dad was a huge 209 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:39.679 fan of the Rockford Files, right, and he was also 210 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:45.960 into like getting the first VCR, so he has a 211 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:51.000 collection of Rockferd files, and initially it still had the 212 00:13:51.080 --> 00:14:00.159 original advertisements from the seventies killed. So I started thinking 213 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.840 about it kind of in that context and grabbed one 214 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:07.039 of his tapes and then Kim and I watched a 215 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:13.480 few that were available on Roku or something, but with 216 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:19.000 ads and the pace of the show initially is what 217 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:23.440 I really liked because there's tension there, but it it's 218 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:28.840 very relaxing because I think there's probably more talking in 219 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:32.639 the first couple commercials when we watched it with commercials 220 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:38.279 than there was in the entire first episode. Wow, there's 221 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:44.000 just a lot of space and a lot of Los 222 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:50.600 Angeles in nineteen seventy four, just as it was cars 223 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:55.399 driving by, and so that kind of got us into it. 224 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:59.440 And then I found that you could We found that 225 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.720 you could order the whole entire series on DVD for 226 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:06.360 like twenty two dollars. So that's kind of a no brainer. 227 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.360 It's a box set and. 228 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.600 I'm not going to my phone at the moment. Keep going. 229 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:17.960 And so with that we were able to start to 230 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:23.399 zero in and identify some of the parts. What really 231 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.799 got me started on it was, you know Mike Post, 232 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:33.759 who is this prolific writer of music for mostly for 233 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:40.879 television that when they started doing these shows in the seventies, 234 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.000 they would I mean, he did the theme song and 235 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.600 it was a number one hit, but I know they 236 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.440 also did they also did the incidental music for the 237 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.279 entire show. They would present the episode to him with 238 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:57.240 no music, and he would call up the people from 239 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.879 I think it was the Wrecking Crew, who were these 240 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:05.360 top studio musicians serious. They would sit down and watch 241 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.440 the show and say, all right, we're gonna put some 242 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.720 harmonica here. We're gonna get a trombone, call the slide 243 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:16.120 guitarist for this part. And you can hear when the 244 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:22.080 keyboardist picks up an early synthesizer that the Mogue synthesizer 245 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:27.120 starts to show up. And so that aspect of it 246 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:30.480 for me was really interesting. 247 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.440 And this music is banging listeners. This music, I mean, 248 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.679 it's some banging music. And thanks for telling me like 249 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.120 that background like there's some chops behind it. I didn't 250 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:43.720 have the words and the names, but for sure. 251 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.559 He's he's somebody that's worth looking into. Because with the 252 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:51.720 Rockford files of the theme song, he saw that it 253 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.879 had potential and he went ahead and promoted it and 254 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.480 they released it and it was a hit song. And 255 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.080 then he just he had had enough of being out 256 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:05.759 in front of the curtain and continued. He did the 257 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.880 song the music for the Law and Order. I mean, 258 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.759 there's too many to list, and I'm not super super 259 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.160 knowledgeable about it, but he's an amazing and overlooked. I mean, 260 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.160 he really is a genius and he worked closely with 261 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:24.000 Stephen J. Cannell. I think that's how you say his name, 262 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:28.000 who isn't a musician, but he's a guy that was 263 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:34.160 apparently really integral to the development of the ideas for 264 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:34.599 how this. 265 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.640 There's there's a truth. There's a through line with Canal 266 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:39.839 that goes like I don't know how far back, but 267 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:42.119 like in the seventies, because even in the eighties it 268 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:46.319 was action shows that were retranslated like eighteen and like 269 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.400 Rip Tide, which is right after it, but even goes 270 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.640 beyond that. I'm not an expert on Canal, but there's 271 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.000 a there's a true line of like the action like 272 00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:01.400 show with class music and like good actress and actresses. 273 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:05.640 You see a lot of upcoming like people in these shows. 274 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.039 So yeah, shout out on the Canal. And plus the 275 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.599 post right, Mike Post, you say, Mike. 276 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.519 Post is uh. I think he's he's a genius and 277 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:19.000 he's overlooked. And the music doesn't sound like anything else, 278 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.240 especially the incidental music. A lot of the theme songs 279 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:27.160 are so what is it ubiquitous? Like it's just part 280 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.720 of our childhood, really anybody who's kind of our age. 281 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.640 That's what we grew up with that, you know, the 282 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:38.200 Chips theme song and night Rider and all of these 283 00:18:39.640 --> 00:18:45.839 were ingested and stored and so. 284 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:49.480 Great, great, great great songs, great song and brain like 285 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:52.759 you hear it? Well, like I said, watching every episode, right, 286 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:54.839 so how long did you listen? How many times you 287 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:59.000 listen to episode? Well, five hundred times, I wonder, I 288 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.839 wonder if it's seared into my brain, so might talk 289 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.680 to my brother five hundred and seven hundred times that song? 290 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:10.480 Yeah, well, in the in the in between music, the incidental. 291 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.960 Between the playing off of it, like the mood, right, 292 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.759 so it's just an echo. 293 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:20.559 Right, Yeah, And so we started to work with that, 294 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:23.240 and we zeroed in on this first episode because we 295 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:30.000 really liked the visuals, and the entire series is too 296 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:35.039 much to tackle, so with with this first piece, we 297 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:40.559 concentrated on that and and it really resonated with people, like, 298 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.839 I know, you were excited about it. We were super 299 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.319 excited about it, But there were some people that it 300 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:51.200 was like something happened to them and I'd never experienced that, 301 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:53.799 just going in and like, hey, listen to these songs 302 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.319 that we're going to play, people are like, yeah, great, 303 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.680 those were great songs. And this was more like there 304 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:02.480 was sort of almost a mania. 305 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.880 It was like a frenzy after the show. 306 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.160 Actually, those brains are going. 307 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:12.440 Yeah, yeah, and what's interesting. So we played a shorter 308 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:17.279 We did a shorter version that was mostly improv back 309 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:22.200 in the fall the Portland Improvisation Summit, an audience that 310 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.039 was much younger who didn't even know what the Rockford 311 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:31.400 Files were. Yeah, and the same thing happens, like just 312 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.519 people coming up to us afterwards in this kind of frenzy. 313 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.759 But but this last show, I mean it just even topped. 314 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.880 That was so exciting to see people so excited and 315 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.079 like having this other kind of experience that they probably 316 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.880 weren't expecting. 317 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:53.200 Uh kim on that too. Like that fascinates It doesn't 318 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:56.920 surprise me, but it fascinates me. Like I think, like 319 00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:59.799 I thought about in terms of this, like and maybe 320 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.759 it's like Portland and just the sheer you know, oddity 321 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:09.680 of the project. It's you know, we end up circumscribing 322 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:11.640 things like in this way or that way, right, like 323 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.519 serious non serious and everything. But what do you do 324 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:19.200 with like like a show or a piece of media 325 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.039 that's storoughly enjoyable. You didn't pick out in your head, 326 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:24.000 like the music. I didn't in my head. I didn't 327 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.200 step back and say, hell shit, that's a hell of 328 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.759 a groove. And like you know, like but like people 329 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.200 have experienced Alred to come in contact with, and there's 330 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.160 something there the colors for me as a painter. I mean, 331 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:39.480 obviously it's weird to trip out like in listeners like 332 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:45.839 but it's beautiful. You'll hear voice of like mentioning particular 333 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:49.240 colors that are pulled out in this LA from nineteen 334 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.759 seventy four, and you giggle that first because you're like, 335 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:54.319 what are we up to? 336 00:21:54.880 --> 00:22:11.119 Denver Golden Melody, buccaneer in carmel base, Cameo white, porcelain blue, 337 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:15.359 Denver Go. 338 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.119 But then you're looking at it and like it was 339 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.799 this contrast of Bobby that you had mentioned about, like black, 340 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.400 white and gray sawm on I five twenty six, And 341 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:34.880 you know what happened you you planted the seed and 342 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.640 I'm driving and I'm looking. 343 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:46.759 Black car, black car, black car, great car, white car, 344 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.400 fucking Trump sticker, white car. 345 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:57.240 But but but then I'm like seeing how I was 346 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.880 tripping watching that show, and like my brother and I, 347 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.960 whether it's in nineteen eighty two or twenty twenty six, 348 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:09.039 in this bright colored bar in Portland, It's like, I'm 349 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:09.519 a painter. 350 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:13.000 I have a painter sensibility. Look at that fucking yellow, 351 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.480 like look at that green, like look at that weird 352 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.759 like that green's almost gross, but it's gorgeous. Or like 353 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:27.119 that shiny brown and like that's big. Right, It's an 354 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.880 eccentric little thing to point out, but I'm like, it's 355 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:35.519 at a different landscape that you're looking at, Like it 356 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.640 looks completely different than the thing that has the name 357 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.240 La God Bless La. It's colorful as hell right now. 358 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:44.799 I'm not saying it's bland, but what you point out 359 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:49.200 was like this was a moving picture or something. 360 00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.519 So it's interesting you mentioned the colorful bar because it's 361 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:59.839 not a colorful bar. It's it's white, and it's very 362 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:09.440 hastefully put together by Alan Hill Barbotellon, and it concentrates 363 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:13.319 on Spanish wines. Originally he had it called something else, 364 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.480 but he got to cease and desist. From a boat 365 00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:17.559 to box company. 366 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.519 Jerks is just like a EU type of thing. Cheese, 367 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:22.559 all right, we'll figure it out. 368 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.160 But so to give a shout out to Alan. You know, 369 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.079 he's very strict about how he feels about his wines 370 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.880 and how things should present, and he was willing to 371 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.119 take a chance on having us show up out there. 372 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:39.079 And there was a little bit of a question about 373 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.240 whether or not he knew what he was getting into 374 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.160 with having us come to perform Backlash of the Hunter. 375 00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.279 But it was a great spot to have it, I think, 376 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.599 and I recommended it for people to go and enjoy 377 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.519 his corner spot. It's been there for about nine years 378 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:00.880 but it's never crowded. 379 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.400 So beautiful, beautiful spot. 380 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.640 Yeah, back to the cars. Can what I reflect on, 381 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:13.559 it's like, okay, what is the different experience emotionally and 382 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:17.240 like with your perception if you are existing in a 383 00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:21.119 world where like in the seventies, where there's all these colors, right, 384 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.839 and I feel like, for me, what that does? I 385 00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.720 feel a certain kind of freedom and a freedom of expression. 386 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:30.480 And then when I think about being in a less 387 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:35.839 colorful world, right, it feels more staid and robotic. 388 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.759 I feel that. And maybe it was the warm clay 389 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:47.119 Adida suit I bought recently, and I said, hey, and 390 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.680 maybe it's the rock from File shirt that I tracked down, 391 00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:54.480 but you have an influence on me and making me feel, 392 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.400 you know, more comfortable in my skin. Talk about the 393 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.599 talk about your aims with kg MR as as as 394 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:10.880 a project, like like overall I listened uh uh to 395 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:13.519 the album is it saying? I think at the pronunciation 396 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:19.480 Saint Roque, it's the rock rock R O c H. 397 00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:26.440 Saint rock folks is what I'm referring to. And uh, 398 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.960 I really enjoyed this album. And like I said, had 399 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.200 seen the recent experience. So like I'm around, I'm around 400 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.880 your art, but what about the art project itself? And 401 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.400