Speaker 1: You're listening to something rather than creator and host Canvalenting
Speaker 1: that is your producer, pie A Bower.
Speaker 2: What you do.
Speaker 3: Your approach is very unique, you know, blending the philosophy
Speaker 3: par with art and then you just have like a
Speaker 3: killer lineup of guests.
Speaker 4: So I mean, those two things to me make it
Speaker 4: a really unique thing in the podcast world.
Speaker 5: That's screwfy, thank you.
Speaker 2: And then you know, the dissemination of entertainment, news and
Speaker 2: everything else is so different now there's things kind of
Speaker 2: like a shiny cord or sitting on the sidewalk. People
Speaker 2: are gonna.
Speaker 5: Trying to be conspected. That's so kind of you. Like
Speaker 5: in talking we're recording now, like even like I realized
Speaker 5: just like about the show, right, it's like such a strange,
Speaker 5: strange thing to do. Hey, and and listeners, we've got
Speaker 5: KGMR here and you'll hear the excitement throughout my voice,
Speaker 5: my voice throughout the entire show. Listeners, recent performance of
Speaker 5: dedication sounds of the great nineteen seventies show The Rockford Files.
Speaker 5: I'm wearing the shirt. We'll get to put some video clips,
Speaker 5: but just listeners, so you know what you popped into.
Speaker 5: But about the show, like yeah, like it's independent, right,
Speaker 5: Like who tries independent things?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 5: I like, I've like, well you do, right, but like
Speaker 5: and in Portland we do, and I like independent doing
Speaker 5: a show. But it's like in this world like looking
Speaker 5: for things right, being conspicuous like I said bomb right,
Speaker 5: like like the shiny quarter. I was reading an article
Speaker 5: two or three days ago, and let's talk about AI
Speaker 5: podcast slap slot. Let's talk this about really dirty right.
Speaker 5: Let's there were hundreds of shows like this one day
Speaker 5: from what this one publisher about everything in the universe,
Speaker 5: even at fake AI names, and it's about like everything
Speaker 5: ever to be created. So like the amount of content,
Speaker 5: like this flood of like what the fuck is it?
Speaker 5: Like history of everything ever with you know, Janey Robot
Speaker 5: and Johnny Robot your favorite AI robot guess host, like
Speaker 5: even just the finding, like or the looking. I bumped
Speaker 5: into one. So I'm a baseball nut, so I find this.
Speaker 5: I didn't look at the heading or the description was
Speaker 5: a baseball thing baseball nut for me talking about pictures
Speaker 5: of pictures eighty years ago players. I'm listening to it
Speaker 5: and it was the first AI AI want I read
Speaker 5: into it, like all the words were misspelled on the front.
Speaker 5: I'm listening to this, I'm like, I don't even know
Speaker 5: what I'm listening to. Is it was like blips and
Speaker 5: blops and it be like the words were all wrong
Speaker 5: And that was my introduction little me. Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: was shocked even in podcasts right now, like the what
Speaker 5: in the weird? It's like I have never seen a
Speaker 5: flood of whatever the word is. So that's just me.
Speaker 4: I like that you use the word slop. I was
Speaker 4: just having this conversation with some folks who are pro
Speaker 4: using AI and the creative process all videos, music, et cetera.
Speaker 4: I mean, and not only is the output slop, but
Speaker 4: I was explaining how the creative process right, when you
Speaker 4: come up against an obstacle or a hindrance, it's a
Speaker 4: beautiful process. And I use the backlash of the Hunter
Speaker 4: as an example. You know, we're framing this our long
Speaker 4: entertainment piece, and in doing that, we'd get to points
Speaker 4: where like we knew something didn't sound right and we
Speaker 4: couldn't figure it out, right, I couldn't figure out and
Speaker 4: then mill and I, you know, he would have an
Speaker 4: idea and then we'd be so fucking excited about that
Speaker 4: idea and it's like, yeah, if we were using AI,
Speaker 4: it would eliminate that whole creative process and that struggle
Speaker 4: and then the excitement and the spark and anyway.
Speaker 5: To the core of like even doing the show and
Speaker 5: at any point, Bob, let me know your thoughts on this.
Speaker 5: But it's like, for me, there's an application that I
Speaker 5: can't stand. All right, so I'm a trained philosopher right
Speaker 5: in this world? What is a trained philosopher like and
Speaker 5: classically training and all that stuff, But it's like, when
Speaker 5: did people abdicate the desire for like what it is
Speaker 5: to be human, like on the creating, like on the thinking,
Speaker 5: like when we're like individuals say I don't want to
Speaker 5: do that thinking anymore. I don't want like that magic
Speaker 5: or I'm not saying everybody's doing it, but like I'm like,
Speaker 5: I thought that was the why me doing the show.
Speaker 5: I liked that. I thought that was the thing like
Speaker 5: in my head. And I'm not trying to be naive.
Speaker 2: I think it kind of gets a little tricky at
Speaker 2: having thought about it quite a bit because if you
Speaker 2: go back even there's arpeggiators and tools that aid in creation,
Speaker 2: but at some point you turn the corner and it
Speaker 2: just takes the people out of it entirely. But you know,
Speaker 2: back to what kick Kim was saying, the setup for
Speaker 2: or what we've got going on with the Rockford files,
Speaker 2: with the backlash of the Hunter is a lot more complex,
Speaker 2: and neither of us are great at setting up synths
Speaker 2: and middies and the interfaces, and so part of it
Speaker 2: is kind of like trying to jump a bicycle or
Speaker 2: something for me, you know, like we go in and
Speaker 2: set up and let's see how this works. Are we
Speaker 2: going to lose a speaker, We're going to lose the signal.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things that are super helpful
Speaker 2: just inside the Able to Live program that could kind
Speaker 2: of tangentially be considered to be AI because there's a
Speaker 2: lot going on under the hood with the sound processing
Speaker 2: and elimination of feedback and things like that, where in
Speaker 2: the passage, you like drag these huge amplifiers and equipment
Speaker 2: and it's it's all on you to try to figure
Speaker 2: out how to keep them from howling and and and
Speaker 2: being terrible. So in some ways it's easier, but in
Speaker 2: other ways, just as you were saying, it starts to
Speaker 2: remove the human aspect. I was thinking, we go and
Speaker 2: visit my aunt at her apartment and she'd have some
Speaker 2: YouTube thing on that was just on a loop and
Speaker 2: it was it was just a robot telling a story
Speaker 2: and it would just loop and she didn't notice. It
Speaker 2: was kind of really disturbing, so kind of like your
Speaker 2: baseball thing that it's just almost seems like nonsense, and
Speaker 2: it reminds me of that Fahrenheit four fifty one or
Speaker 2: whatever where they put the show on and it's just
Speaker 2: it's just gobbledygook, you know, So trying to stay away
Speaker 2: from that and then all so pulling a lot of
Speaker 2: more vintage equipment into the mix to try to keep
Speaker 2: the the human aspect there.
Speaker 5: With the Yeah, I loved I love the discussion because
Speaker 5: like and I like to like queer up the discussion,
Speaker 5: like just in the sense of like, because what you're
Speaker 5: saying is true, Like there's some there's going to be
Speaker 5: a process that ain't like tied to our hands, you know,
Speaker 5: like that that in that tech that's going to do that.
Speaker 5: So I think that there are distinctions. Right for me,
Speaker 5: I was like, like there's questions I think, like that
Speaker 5: we're navigating, like how close is it to us, like
Speaker 5: how like do we control it or not? And I
Speaker 5: think me being exposed to like somebody who typed in
Speaker 5: please talk about the history of like really good baseball
Speaker 5: players from nineteen hundred to nineteen fifty and put it
Speaker 5: into twenty six episodes. Well, like you know, like that
Speaker 5: was it. But it's a great point with technology, it
Speaker 5: always is doing something unto itself a bit. So oh man,
Speaker 5: we got so much to talk about, like and this
Speaker 5: is about the rock Ford Files too, and everybody, so
Speaker 5: let me tell you kgm are uh uh uh. Kim
Speaker 5: and I know each other. And Bob is Bobby good too?
Speaker 7: For you?
Speaker 2: Fine? And Bobby I discovered there's another Bobby Reid, and
Speaker 2: our wires kind of got crossed a little bit, probably
Speaker 2: thanks to AI. No offense to the other Bobby Reid
Speaker 2: ri e a d saxophonist and accomplished composer who's got
Speaker 2: a pretty heavy online presence.
Speaker 5: But God bless all the Bobby reads. And if we
Speaker 5: just take the first initial, take the first initial and
Speaker 5: the last name, well we're gonna go. We're gonna go
Speaker 5: like bread or something. We're just we're just workshopping it
Speaker 5: right now. We're just workshopping it.
Speaker 8: So but I want to tell.
Speaker 5: Everybody because people have to know. So I do the
Speaker 5: show and obviously some I I get to meet a
Speaker 5: great guest, like people that I never thought I would
Speaker 5: ever meet, like like for me, Francis McKee of the Vasilines,
Speaker 5: like you didn't have an interviewed her once and she's
Speaker 5: a yoga practitioner. But fans might not know and listeners
Speaker 5: show might know that I'm going back on kgm R
Speaker 5: like a few months. This isn't just because of the
Speaker 5: Rockford Files kind of like bait that you put out
Speaker 5: for me. But I, I mean, I got the album,
Speaker 5: like and and if you're if you're looking at this
Speaker 5: video clip, I got the I got the album and
Speaker 5: and recently what we're talking about here was in Portland
Speaker 5: a few days ago. My partner Jenny and I went
Speaker 5: to the performance of KGMR, which included, Uh, for me,
Speaker 5: it was the Rockford Files. Now the Rockford Files you're
Speaker 5: gonna tell us a little bit more about. But for
Speaker 5: me was a show I really enjoyed and I like
Speaker 5: the particularities. Not to be analytical, but seventies TV shows
Speaker 5: were gritty. You all talk about all the different Colors
Speaker 5: the weird drama. It's like, it feels like completely different
Speaker 5: action show. My brother Chris is close in age and I.
Speaker 5: We both watched The Rocker Files on reruns which would
Speaker 5: run before we could access everything at the same point
Speaker 5: you'd have to watch at a particular time TV. And
Speaker 5: me and my brother had the type of heads where
Speaker 5: while we watch everything, let's say of the show. So
Speaker 5: you know, we were big on it. And so when
Speaker 5: I heard about this show, I said, well, Portland does
Speaker 5: this sometimes. It sometimes creates something that's just for me.
Speaker 5: I don't care about the rest of the world. I
Speaker 5: really do, but this is for me. And you had
Speaker 5: already recorded parts of your performance at that I think
Speaker 5: might have been late twenty twenty five, so I'm like,
Speaker 5: already I'm gonna get a taste of it. But for me,
Speaker 5: quick description. I want you to talk about the project.
Speaker 5: But for me, it was like the colors were amazing.
Speaker 5: As a painter and an artist, I was like, the
Speaker 5: colors on the show, that's rightly showing this me right here.
Speaker 5: The sound and the loops and the experimentation and what
Speaker 5: you did to like. For me, it was like expanding
Speaker 5: out the ethos and the feel of this show and
Speaker 5: almost having like an internal soundtrack to pull back onto
Speaker 5: the show that came from the show. So I was
Speaker 5: stripping in my head, like on the ideas of what
Speaker 5: you were doing and anything rock for files. I'm in
Speaker 5: the door and then you expanded it out. But as
Speaker 5: a matter of curiosity, I'm an audience for that. How
Speaker 5: did you trip out on the Rockford Files? What is
Speaker 5: your project? What are you trying to do? Like indulge me,
Speaker 5: like this is my show in Rockcord File. I don't
Speaker 5: know maniacs have a title. I'll find all this out,
Speaker 5: but talk to us like about this.
Speaker 2: So like you, the first time that I saw I
Speaker 2: was pretty young and it was in syndication, so it
Speaker 2: was the second time around. My dad was a huge
Speaker 2: fan of the Rockford Files, right, and he was also
Speaker 2: into like getting the first VCR, so he has a
Speaker 2: collection of Rockferd files, and initially it still had the
Speaker 2: original advertisements from the seventies killed. So I started thinking
Speaker 2: about it kind of in that context and grabbed one
Speaker 2: of his tapes and then Kim and I watched a
Speaker 2: few that were available on Roku or something, but with
Speaker 2: ads and the pace of the show initially is what
Speaker 2: I really liked because there's tension there, but it it's
Speaker 2: very relaxing because I think there's probably more talking in
Speaker 2: the first couple commercials when we watched it with commercials
Speaker 2: than there was in the entire first episode. Wow, there's
Speaker 2: just a lot of space and a lot of Los
Speaker 2: Angeles in nineteen seventy four, just as it was cars
Speaker 2: driving by, and so that kind of got us into it.
Speaker 2: And then I found that you could We found that
Speaker 2: you could order the whole entire series on DVD for
Speaker 2: like twenty two dollars. So that's kind of a no brainer.
Speaker 2: It's a box set and.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to my phone at the moment. Keep going.
Speaker 2: And so with that we were able to start to
Speaker 2: zero in and identify some of the parts. What really
Speaker 2: got me started on it was, you know Mike Post,
Speaker 2: who is this prolific writer of music for mostly for
Speaker 2: television that when they started doing these shows in the seventies,
Speaker 2: they would I mean, he did the theme song and
Speaker 2: it was a number one hit, but I know they
Speaker 2: also did they also did the incidental music for the
Speaker 2: entire show. They would present the episode to him with
Speaker 2: no music, and he would call up the people from
Speaker 2: I think it was the Wrecking Crew, who were these
Speaker 2: top studio musicians serious. They would sit down and watch
Speaker 2: the show and say, all right, we're gonna put some
Speaker 2: harmonica here. We're gonna get a trombone, call the slide
Speaker 2: guitarist for this part. And you can hear when the
Speaker 2: keyboardist picks up an early synthesizer that the Mogue synthesizer
Speaker 2: starts to show up. And so that aspect of it
Speaker 2: for me was really interesting.
Speaker 5: And this music is banging listeners. This music, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's some banging music. And thanks for telling me like
Speaker 5: that background like there's some chops behind it. I didn't
Speaker 5: have the words and the names, but for sure.
Speaker 2: He's he's somebody that's worth looking into. Because with the
Speaker 2: Rockford files of the theme song, he saw that it
Speaker 2: had potential and he went ahead and promoted it and
Speaker 2: they released it and it was a hit song. And
Speaker 2: then he just he had had enough of being out
Speaker 2: in front of the curtain and continued. He did the
Speaker 2: song the music for the Law and Order. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's too many to list, and I'm not super super
Speaker 2: knowledgeable about it, but he's an amazing and overlooked. I mean,
Speaker 2: he really is a genius and he worked closely with
Speaker 2: Stephen J. Cannell. I think that's how you say his name,
Speaker 2: who isn't a musician, but he's a guy that was
Speaker 2: apparently really integral to the development of the ideas for
Speaker 2: how this.
Speaker 5: There's there's a truth. There's a through line with Canal
Speaker 5: that goes like I don't know how far back, but
Speaker 5: like in the seventies, because even in the eighties it
Speaker 5: was action shows that were retranslated like eighteen and like
Speaker 5: Rip Tide, which is right after it, but even goes
Speaker 5: beyond that. I'm not an expert on Canal, but there's
Speaker 5: a there's a true line of like the action like
Speaker 5: show with class music and like good actress and actresses.
Speaker 5: You see a lot of upcoming like people in these shows.
Speaker 5: So yeah, shout out on the Canal. And plus the
Speaker 5: post right, Mike Post, you say, Mike.
Speaker 2: Post is uh. I think he's he's a genius and
Speaker 2: he's overlooked. And the music doesn't sound like anything else,
Speaker 2: especially the incidental music. A lot of the theme songs
Speaker 2: are so what is it ubiquitous? Like it's just part
Speaker 2: of our childhood, really anybody who's kind of our age.
Speaker 2: That's what we grew up with that, you know, the
Speaker 2: Chips theme song and night Rider and all of these
Speaker 2: were ingested and stored and so.
Speaker 5: Great, great, great great songs, great song and brain like
Speaker 5: you hear it? Well, like I said, watching every episode, right,
Speaker 5: so how long did you listen? How many times you
Speaker 5: listen to episode? Well, five hundred times, I wonder, I
Speaker 5: wonder if it's seared into my brain, so might talk
Speaker 5: to my brother five hundred and seven hundred times that song?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in the in the in between music, the incidental.
Speaker 5: Between the playing off of it, like the mood, right,
Speaker 5: so it's just an echo.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And so we started to work with that,
Speaker 2: and we zeroed in on this first episode because we
Speaker 2: really liked the visuals, and the entire series is too
Speaker 2: much to tackle, so with with this first piece, we
Speaker 2: concentrated on that and and it really resonated with people, like,
Speaker 2: I know, you were excited about it. We were super
Speaker 2: excited about it, But there were some people that it
Speaker 2: was like something happened to them and I'd never experienced that,
Speaker 2: just going in and like, hey, listen to these songs
Speaker 2: that we're going to play, people are like, yeah, great,
Speaker 2: those were great songs. And this was more like there
Speaker 2: was sort of almost a mania.
Speaker 4: It was like a frenzy after the show.
Speaker 5: Actually, those brains are going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and what's interesting. So we played a shorter
Speaker 4: We did a shorter version that was mostly improv back
Speaker 4: in the fall the Portland Improvisation Summit, an audience that
Speaker 4: was much younger who didn't even know what the Rockford
Speaker 4: Files were. Yeah, and the same thing happens, like just
Speaker 4: people coming up to us afterwards in this kind of frenzy.
Speaker 4: But but this last show, I mean it just even topped.
Speaker 4: That was so exciting to see people so excited and
Speaker 4: like having this other kind of experience that they probably
Speaker 4: weren't expecting.
Speaker 5: Uh kim on that too. Like that fascinates It doesn't
Speaker 5: surprise me, but it fascinates me. Like I think, like
Speaker 5: I thought about in terms of this, like and maybe
Speaker 5: it's like Portland and just the sheer you know, oddity
Speaker 5: of the project. It's you know, we end up circumscribing
Speaker 5: things like in this way or that way, right, like
Speaker 5: serious non serious and everything. But what do you do
Speaker 5: with like like a show or a piece of media
Speaker 5: that's storoughly enjoyable. You didn't pick out in your head,
Speaker 5: like the music. I didn't in my head. I didn't
Speaker 5: step back and say, hell shit, that's a hell of
Speaker 5: a groove. And like you know, like but like people
Speaker 5: have experienced Alred to come in contact with, and there's
Speaker 5: something there the colors for me as a painter. I mean,
Speaker 5: obviously it's weird to trip out like in listeners like
Speaker 5: but it's beautiful. You'll hear voice of like mentioning particular
Speaker 5: colors that are pulled out in this LA from nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy four, and you giggle that first because you're like,
Speaker 5: what are we up to?
Speaker 9: Denver Golden Melody, buccaneer in carmel base, Cameo white, porcelain blue,
Speaker 9: Denver Go.
Speaker 5: But then you're looking at it and like it was
Speaker 5: this contrast of Bobby that you had mentioned about, like black,
Speaker 5: white and gray sawm on I five twenty six, And
Speaker 5: you know what happened you you planted the seed and
Speaker 5: I'm driving and I'm looking.
Speaker 6: Black car, black car, black car, great car, white car,
Speaker 6: fucking Trump sticker, white car.
Speaker 8: But but but then I'm like seeing how I was
Speaker 8: tripping watching that show, and like my brother and I,
Speaker 8: whether it's in nineteen eighty two or twenty twenty six,
Speaker 8: in this bright colored bar in Portland, It's like, I'm
Speaker 8: a painter.
Speaker 5: I have a painter sensibility. Look at that fucking yellow,
Speaker 5: like look at that green, like look at that weird
Speaker 5: like that green's almost gross, but it's gorgeous. Or like
Speaker 5: that shiny brown and like that's big. Right, It's an
Speaker 5: eccentric little thing to point out, but I'm like, it's
Speaker 5: at a different landscape that you're looking at, Like it
Speaker 5: looks completely different than the thing that has the name
Speaker 5: La God Bless La. It's colorful as hell right now.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's bland, but what you point out
Speaker 5: was like this was a moving picture or something.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting you mentioned the colorful bar because it's
Speaker 2: not a colorful bar. It's it's white, and it's very
Speaker 2: hastefully put together by Alan Hill Barbotellon, and it concentrates
Speaker 2: on Spanish wines. Originally he had it called something else,
Speaker 2: but he got to cease and desist. From a boat
Speaker 2: to box company.
Speaker 5: Jerks is just like a EU type of thing. Cheese,
Speaker 5: all right, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: But so to give a shout out to Alan. You know,
Speaker 2: he's very strict about how he feels about his wines
Speaker 2: and how things should present, and he was willing to
Speaker 2: take a chance on having us show up out there.
Speaker 2: And there was a little bit of a question about
Speaker 2: whether or not he knew what he was getting into
Speaker 2: with having us come to perform Backlash of the Hunter.
Speaker 2: But it was a great spot to have it, I think,
Speaker 2: and I recommended it for people to go and enjoy
Speaker 2: his corner spot. It's been there for about nine years
Speaker 2: but it's never crowded.
Speaker 5: So beautiful, beautiful spot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, back to the cars. Can what I reflect on,
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, what is the different experience emotionally and
Speaker 4: like with your perception if you are existing in a
Speaker 4: world where like in the seventies, where there's all these colors, right,
Speaker 4: and I feel like, for me, what that does? I
Speaker 4: feel a certain kind of freedom and a freedom of expression.
Speaker 4: And then when I think about being in a less
Speaker 4: colorful world, right, it feels more staid and robotic.
Speaker 5: I feel that. And maybe it was the warm clay
Speaker 5: Adida suit I bought recently, and I said, hey, and
Speaker 5: maybe it's the rock from File shirt that I tracked down,
Speaker 5: but you have an influence on me and making me feel,
Speaker 5: you know, more comfortable in my skin. Talk about the
Speaker 5: talk about your aims with kg MR as as as
Speaker 5: a project, like like overall I listened uh uh to
Speaker 5: the album is it saying? I think at the pronunciation
Speaker 5: Saint Roque, it's the rock rock R O c H.
Speaker 5: Saint rock folks is what I'm referring to. And uh,
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed this album. And like I said, had
Speaker 5: seen the recent experience. So like I'm around, I'm around
Speaker 5: your art, but what about the art project itself? And
Speaker 5: you know, obviously I dig on it? What a what?
Speaker 5: What do you know?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 5: You know? Why are right? Like?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: What what do you? What do you? What are you
Speaker 5: trying to?
Speaker 8: Do?
Speaker 5: You have fun? It's high quality, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, we come up with ideas and flesh them out,
Speaker 2: and some of them make it into songs and some
Speaker 2: of them do not. I think for me a lot
Speaker 2: of times I sort of tow the line between clever
Speaker 2: and stupid, and we try to, you know, come up
Speaker 2: with stuff that's going to be hopefully up to but
Speaker 2: not beyond into just being stupid.
Speaker 5: Now you're in the spot. I mean, I'm a particular audience,
Speaker 5: but yeah, the performance people were digging on that for sure.
Speaker 4: You know, we're both such long time musicians. Both of
Speaker 4: us were those little kids who actually practice their instruments
Speaker 4: every day, you know, and we both go really far
Speaker 4: back playing music. For me, it's always been emotion led.
Speaker 4: So I feel things and it literally comes out in
Speaker 4: my fingers at the piano. And so some of the
Speaker 4: very first creative things I did was like a little kid,
Speaker 4: and I had a mini cassio, just a lot like
Speaker 4: the one we used in Backlash of the Hunter. I
Speaker 4: had one of those plugin like two octave Magnus organs,
Speaker 4: and I would pretend I was creating soundtracks for horror films,
Speaker 4: and then at one point decided like I wanted basically
Speaker 4: a sample of all different people saying hello. So I
Speaker 4: was prank phone calling people and I had my tape
Speaker 4: recorder and as soon as they said hello, I'd hang up.
Speaker 4: And then I thought, took the next person, and I'd
Speaker 4: do it, And so I did. I had this cassette
Speaker 4: tape of like all these different people saying hello. Well,
Speaker 4: the last one I did, people had a tracer on
Speaker 4: their phone and next thing the cops were at.
Speaker 5: Anyway, it's gonna end. Everything's gonna end sometimes.
Speaker 4: But it's a long story of a way of saying that.
Speaker 4: I think for both of us. You know, Bob's been
Speaker 4: in bands is basically his whole life just a way
Speaker 4: to emote, really, and it looks a lot of different ways.
Speaker 4: And so when I think about the aim of KGMR,
Speaker 4: like we don't have one if you go through our
Speaker 4: whole discography, like it's so different, and that's not even
Speaker 4: incorporating a lot of this stuff that Bobby's made on
Speaker 4: his own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, my folks had me playing
Speaker 2: violin when I was in kindergarten and then I think
Speaker 2: I was thirteen and I came home one day and
Speaker 2: my dad had bought an electric guitar that he claimed
Speaker 2: was his. But I don't know, what do they say, like,
Speaker 2: give a man enough fish and they'll be hungry tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Teach a person to fish and they'll spend the rest
Speaker 2: of their life drinking beer in a boat. I think
Speaker 2: I think there's a parallel there with you know, given
Speaker 2: a teenage boy an electric guitar, you're you're rolling the
Speaker 2: dice with how they're going to be uh spending their
Speaker 2: time and where they're going to be spending their time
Speaker 2: and what they're going to be doing. But and then
Speaker 2: we had tape recorders around and I would record, you know,
Speaker 2: tennis shoes in the dryer and terrorize my brother with it.
Speaker 2: And I don't some of the things I feel like.
Speaker 2: I think of ideas, and initially, even to me, I
Speaker 2: think that is just totally silly and kind of stupid.
Speaker 2: But when I really look at them and start to
Speaker 2: pick them apart, there is some something there that's that's
Speaker 2: has more to do with serious things than just a
Speaker 2: silly idea. You know, There's there's a depth to it.
Speaker 2: And just because it comes initially through silliness or something
Speaker 2: that sounds like that's just a zany and wild idea,
Speaker 2: you flesh it out and start to really look at
Speaker 2: it and it means something different than it did initially,
Speaker 2: Like why you had this idea of something that seems
Speaker 2: ridiculous and even stupid, and then it turns out that
Speaker 2: it's it's not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like for me in having so many conversations
Speaker 5: with the artists, but like a huge influence of David
Speaker 5: Lynch upon me was like almost like the idea of
Speaker 5: just quite simply that he would capture the image in
Speaker 5: full or and pull it in with his net and
Speaker 5: his brain. So it was like trying to eliminate the prejudgment,
Speaker 5: like why is there a horse in a room standing there?
Speaker 5: That's a white horse? I don't know. That's what I
Speaker 5: pulled in, like in on it, right, And so just
Speaker 5: like kind of like a different approach of like I
Speaker 5: can't predict what I put Like I put my net
Speaker 5: into a dark pool of liquid, and there's this thing here,
Speaker 5: but there it is, you know, like and so for
Speaker 5: me that everybody creates in a different way, but that
Speaker 5: like just opened so much like more about it of
Speaker 5: being like okay, that's a new thing. It just opened
Speaker 5: up for our minds, like what works. You know, you're
Speaker 5: not trying to hit the target audience of Ken Valonte
Speaker 5: and Chris Fallante Rockford Files. You know, put out whatever
Speaker 5: I'll put out because these guys will will take it up.
Speaker 5: But it's like not just simply the nostalgia, but it's
Speaker 5: like reviving like the colors and the sounds and that
Speaker 5: where I walked out of there and I was like
Speaker 5: it wasn't like I want to just watch one episode,
Speaker 5: but I want to like watch and hear all of
Speaker 5: them and then like on the soundtrack idea of like
Speaker 5: like hear this flow of sound and how it how
Speaker 5: it impacts us anyways, like so so so fun, you know,
Speaker 5: like thank you like so much on that project, and
Speaker 5: asking you about the band, like do you do you
Speaker 5: plan on expanding out this performance? Because I listened to
Speaker 5: the track that you had on this episode and it
Speaker 5: was a good amount of time, like thirty thirty five minutes,
Speaker 5: and then I started live. You went out for a while,
Speaker 5: and then I was wanting more like what's like twenty
Speaker 5: twenty six, Like what do you want to experiment with
Speaker 5: or have fun with, like whether it's this project or
Speaker 5: another project artwise.
Speaker 2: Well, so when we got done with our performance over there,
Speaker 2: we had neglected to press record, so I got some
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, I think people got some of it.
Speaker 2: But so we came home and since it was fresh,
Speaker 2: you just set the stuff up and did it again.
Speaker 2: You know, it would be different every time. The looping
Speaker 2: that we're doing is through a couple of nineteen eighties
Speaker 2: guitar pedals, so there's no way to lock them into
Speaker 2: the rhythm or or control them. That way, you're kind
Speaker 2: of pulling stuff as it comes up and see what's
Speaker 2: there and then moving on to the next thing. And
Speaker 2: so we actually got a good recording of it, and
Speaker 2: we've got some video aspect, and we're going to to
Speaker 2: try to assemble that and get it put together in
Speaker 2: a way that people will be able to watch and listen,
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully without running into copyright problems with anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the bits and clips.
Speaker 2: Other than that, I think we've kind of happened on
Speaker 2: a way of working on stuff that feels a little
Speaker 2: more free wheeling than what we've done in the past.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, after playing music together for twenty
Speaker 2: seven years, starting to finally settle into be having this
Speaker 2: comfortable way to interact musically with each other and move
Speaker 2: through stuff and settle on things without without tripping each
Speaker 2: other up or getting too hung up on things that
Speaker 2: maybe don't matter, and working that way without like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is what we're going to do next. It's more
Speaker 2: there's more of an aspect of well, kind of like
Speaker 2: the guitar battles, like a little bit of randomness and
Speaker 2: this is what's next. Because I made this recording on
Speaker 2: my phone of some kids in the park on a
Speaker 2: squeaky swing or something like that, you know, which is
Speaker 2: another great part about the accessibility of high quality music
Speaker 2: equipment and recording equipment. I mean, you sent something to
Speaker 2: us that you recorded on your phone, and the picture
Speaker 2: in the sound quality we're actually excellent. You know, they're passable.
Speaker 2: So it really opens up a lot of a freedom
Speaker 2: in how to work on stuff. That's I think what
Speaker 2: we're looking forward to doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, when I write music, it's it's just
Speaker 4: for me, Like I don't give a shit if anyone
Speaker 4: likes it or not. But it really did move me again,
Speaker 4: like seeing people so delighted performing this, and so we
Speaker 4: kind of like lat on, like we thought that'd be
Speaker 4: the last time we've performed the Backlash of the Hunter,
Speaker 4: and now are thinking, like it really delighted people so
Speaker 4: much and it entertained people that we maybe want to
Speaker 4: do it again. And even if we don't want to
Speaker 4: do it again, I'm very attracted now to this idea
Speaker 4: of creating something that delights people, like using our creativity
Speaker 4: and talents to create something that is truly delighting people
Speaker 4: and giving them that experience that you were talking about.
Speaker 4: So I've never I've never thought about that before until
Speaker 4: what like a week ago at that show.
Speaker 5: It's part of the learning experience like in the seventies
Speaker 5: and stuff too, like for me growing up, Like like
Speaker 5: for me, there was like this is just my my
Speaker 5: my take on it. There was like it seemed like
Speaker 5: real like cultural like advancement and like African Americans on
Speaker 5: TV and other cultural groups. It doesn't feel the same
Speaker 5: as like modern type of stuff, and I don't follow
Speaker 5: the trajectory, but like, well there was sound in like
Speaker 5: inclusion and all stuff. It's just I don't know. I
Speaker 5: had a feel to me that always seemed like more
Speaker 5: more authentic and so like bringing out the colors in
Speaker 5: the sounds for me is like it felt totally like
Speaker 5: that seventies and it's a different world, so like kind
Speaker 5: of allowing that world to exist again and this is
Speaker 5: not a well, I don't know what twenty I don't
Speaker 5: know what the world's going twenty twenty six. I don't
Speaker 5: know what. I don't I just don't even know. But
Speaker 5: like as a as a live culture, like when people
Speaker 5: are tapping into that even with an not being necessarily
Speaker 5: familiar with the TV show, They're like, oh shit, that's
Speaker 5: my grandpa. Like for me, like I was watching, I'm
Speaker 5: being like, oh shit, that's my freaking uncle, like chilling
Speaker 5: out right. That's like, that's what's going on, and like
Speaker 5: that's the d piece. And again not to be overly
Speaker 5: analytical about it, but like pulling that back out, allowing
Speaker 5: people to like live and breathe in that. It's like
Speaker 5: in this world right now? Sure, sure, like do it
Speaker 5: for a bit. Yeah, I don't know that the way
Speaker 5: it feels to me.
Speaker 2: I think that there's there is that, especially in the
Speaker 2: early seasons, and I think it's important to mention that.
Speaker 2: You know, James Garner was a social activist. He was
Speaker 2: heavily involved in helping to organize the March on Washington.
Speaker 1: D C.
Speaker 5: Good Man, James.
Speaker 2: Very early advocate of legalization in marijuana. He stood up
Speaker 2: for actors that were working with him, and he encouraged
Speaker 2: them and mentored him, mentored them, and he you know,
Speaker 2: he took on the MGM. I believe in a lawsuit
Speaker 2: that most people told him that they were going to
Speaker 2: ruin his career. He was going to ruin his own
Speaker 2: career taking these people on and he won, and then
Speaker 2: after that they asked him to be on The Rockford Files.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the early episodes have some really
Speaker 2: strong female characters, and some of them when we were
Speaker 2: watching them, you know, they have warnings about things that
Speaker 2: have since come to pass, like the collection of people's
Speaker 2: personal information in data centers. I mean, it is pretty uncanny.
Speaker 2: And uh, he's a He's an interesting and complex character
Speaker 2: who who came up from nothing, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, shout out, thanks for thanks, thanks, thanks for
Speaker 5: bringing that out. I knew, I knew some pieces of that,
Speaker 5: and for me, I was always like, if I had
Speaker 5: half the looks of James Garner, I could go a
Speaker 5: long way in this world. I mean, God, bless God,
Speaker 5: blessed to me. And I don't know him intimately anything,
Speaker 5: but I knew that too, And I knew he dealt
Speaker 5: with a ton of ship on the show, in the
Speaker 5: contract and the physical pieces. I mean you even allude
Speaker 5: to that in the performance, like he dealt with that
Speaker 5: ship is a worker on there and probably wanted to
Speaker 5: do things a certain way and they were giving him.
Speaker 5: I don't know the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But Gretchen Corbett, uh is an actress who's from Portland.
Speaker 2: Her her name Corbett Avenue is named after her family,
Speaker 2: and she plays a lawyer in the early seasons and
Speaker 2: they she ran into something where they were going to
Speaker 2: do more with her and pay her the same amount
Speaker 2: or less, and James Garner encouraged her to just to
Speaker 2: just walk away. You know, she was an important part
Speaker 2: of the show and then all of a sudden she's
Speaker 2: just gone. And you know, she went on to do
Speaker 2: a lot of other things and she's still alive and
Speaker 2: active in working in drama in Portland. But he wasn't
Speaker 2: one to like, oh well you you please don't leave.
Speaker 2: We need you for the show. And he just you know,
Speaker 2: he helped people a lot. Tom Sellick too, He helped
Speaker 2: Tom Sellick. They were getting Tom Selick set up to
Speaker 2: be either a replacement for Rockford, but then they decided
Speaker 2: to put him in Magnum PI and Magnum p I initially,
Speaker 2: I guess was going to be this show with this womanizer,
Speaker 2: schmoozy pretty boy thing. And Tom Salick really didn't want
Speaker 2: to do it, and James Barner encouraged him that, like,
Speaker 2: this is your chance to try to get what you want.
Speaker 2: You're never going to have a better place to be
Speaker 2: able to do it than right now, and so you
Speaker 2: ended up with you know, however, many hundred seasons of Magnumede,
Speaker 2: you know, which is another wow.
Speaker 5: So he wow.
Speaker 2: He appears as as this pretty boy like everything always
Speaker 2: goes right for him. You probably remember in the Rock.
Speaker 5: I Do I Do His the shirts were impeccable, the
Speaker 5: cases came through at the end.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, with.
Speaker 5: A certain amount of you know, there was different Rockford.
Speaker 5: Rockford had to put a little more blood and guts,
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, always it's in the case paid for
Speaker 5: it physically, mentally, Yeah, social time hard hits to the head.
Speaker 4: There's a there's a pre robust fan site on Facebook
Speaker 4: for the rock profiles and I love Someone posted the
Speaker 4: other day and said, what was that episode where uh
Speaker 4: where Rawford gets like the crap beat out of him
Speaker 4: and he doesn't get paid in the end.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just every episode.
Speaker 5: How many episodes were there? Those episodes like you imagine
Speaker 5: at the end of like a really rough day, like
Speaker 5: you're getting stiffed on the pavement, I can't imagine, right,
Speaker 5: you know, in this world, but like then you're gonna
Speaker 5: be like looking pay my ass too, Like, pay my ass.
Speaker 5: I'm almost dead. I'm calling from the freaking hospital. Pay
Speaker 5: my ass, Like this whole check's going to the hospital bill.
Speaker 5: This is nineteen seventies America. I'm not tied to an employer.
Speaker 5: I'm a freelancer. Oh poor guy. Anyways, made it through.
Speaker 5: So no, uh, anyways, Hey, you want to answer any
Speaker 5: of like the huge concept. You want to just like,
Speaker 5: uh like, why is there something rather than nothing? You
Speaker 5: want to answer that quickly. I mean we've been kicking
Speaker 5: rock and files in our you want to be like
Speaker 5: like the you know, going from from from all this,
Speaker 5: like like like let me ask each one of you
Speaker 5: are at the same time, like two of the big ones.
Speaker 5: But what is art? What is art?
Speaker 2: Kim warned me about these questions, and uh so I've
Speaker 2: been thinking about him. I was in an airport, probably
Speaker 2: more than a decade ago, and this guy's in a suit.
Speaker 2: He's coming up the escalator and he's waving his arms
Speaker 2: around and talking loud and making all these weird faces.
Speaker 2: People were kind of looking at him, like and he
Speaker 2: gets to the top and I see that he's got
Speaker 2: you know, one of these like an earphone thing end
Speaker 2: and he's he's on a phone call and he's waving
Speaker 2: his arms around and making all these weird faces and
Speaker 2: talking all loud, and and I think art is the
Speaker 2: earphone that lets you do things in a way that
Speaker 2: people aren't going to judge you as being insane because well,
Speaker 2: it's okay that they're doing that. It's art, you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's just a construct. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think you could go on an eye when people
Speaker 2: use it, use art to hide their wealth and make
Speaker 2: statements about things. But in some ways it's sort of
Speaker 2: a slippery, a slippery definition. But I think that part
Speaker 2: of it is that, you know, giving yourself permission to
Speaker 2: do things.
Speaker 5: That helps me a lot what you said right there,
Speaker 5: because like one of the things I kept bumping into
Speaker 5: early on, because like in doing this show, I kind
Speaker 5: of expanded my like identity myself as an artist, and
Speaker 5: I realized there was just this inflection that was very simple,
Speaker 5: like like it had to do it like that, you know,
Speaker 5: like in your head, Okay, that was an artist I
Speaker 5: had to do with and habit in that space and
Speaker 5: say fuck all like it. But it's a big jump
Speaker 5: to do. It was for me to be like like
Speaker 5: we're people would look at you is like you're doing
Speaker 5: an artistic thing. You're like, wait a second, I am
Speaker 5: the artist right here, like you know, and so like
Speaker 5: the way you describe it, like for me in that
Speaker 5: space that it's doing and it's like, okay, they're doing
Speaker 5: that thing. This a man, it just clicked for me,
Speaker 5: Like definitely, Kim.
Speaker 4: For me, it's really about taking them intangible human experience
Speaker 4: and making it tangible, right because again, like for me,
Speaker 4: my creative process almost always comes out of emotion.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 4: Intangible ways of being and feeling as a human and
Speaker 4: art makes that tangible. And I think about you know,
Speaker 4: our dog dying two days ago. You know, we spent
Speaker 4: all day crying and then at some point in the
Speaker 4: evening we just started playing music. We were listening to music,
Speaker 4: so you know, like Bob first put on this Thin
Speaker 4: Lizzie album.
Speaker 2: The Friendly Ranger of clon tars Castle.
Speaker 4: We started there, you know, and with the line in
Speaker 4: that song that says, you know, say goodbye to a
Speaker 4: very good friend. And then after that we were just
Speaker 4: for listening to music for hours and you know, listening
Speaker 4: to things that were helping us process all of the grief.
Speaker 4: And all of those songs we listened to helped make
Speaker 4: it become more tangible, this human experience we were having
Speaker 4: of loss and grief and sadness.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you and thank you for sharing that. Also,
Speaker 5: today's as we're recording is uh record record store day.
Speaker 5: It is record doors record store day, so uh, I
Speaker 5: gotta go search for album. Yeah, maybe it's just this
Speaker 5: compulsive thing. There was one album I saw advertised that
Speaker 5: I really and somebody who I've had on the show
Speaker 5: April March, and she does kind of uh French uh
Speaker 5: French like retro songs, completely fluent in French and English.
Speaker 5: But it was interesting. She used to be the lead
Speaker 5: designer and animator for Ren and Stimpy hm hm the
Speaker 5: cartoon as well. Anyways, I'm gonna I'm gonna end up
Speaker 5: hunting down or trying to hunt down the April March album.
Speaker 5: But like, yeah, just the music. Like for me, I
Speaker 5: grew up. I grew up my parents listen to a
Speaker 5: lot of sixties and seventies and motown and stuff, a
Speaker 5: lot of variety of music. But as a kid, it
Speaker 5: was like early hip hop and rap, and as I
Speaker 5: went along, like I really like to be able to
Speaker 5: get into like angers and frustrations and music was like
Speaker 5: just the one place, but you found the magic alchemy
Speaker 5: of the Rockford Files. You tapped into it. Yeah, well
Speaker 5: at least you know, with this small subset here.
Speaker 4: But one thing I want to say about, like you're
Speaker 4: talking about growing up in the music your parents were
Speaker 4: listening to. So I love to dance, Like, I really
Speaker 4: love to dance. I mean to dance all the time.
Speaker 4: But I think the reason I love to dance is
Speaker 4: because growing up my parents were disco dancers. And they would,
Speaker 4: you know, was whatever Thursday night or whatever. The furniture, yes,
Speaker 4: not only, but for the thren, they'd roll up the
Speaker 4: rug in the living room, they'd put the vinyl on.
Speaker 4: My mother would strap on her heels and they would practice,
Speaker 4: and my brother and sister and I would you know,
Speaker 4: sit on the couch just like wide eyed and watching them,
Speaker 4: watching them dance, and you know, the beat, and that
Speaker 4: beat just got in me. And so it was this
Speaker 4: kind of like birth of happiness around a beat for me.
Speaker 4: And so like that's lifelong, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's a it's a it's it's a beautiful thing. I
Speaker 5: grew up. Well, my parents were young too, like my
Speaker 5: mom had me. She was seventeen, right, so there's still kids.
Speaker 5: You know, it's going to get a Friday Night sometime, right,
Speaker 5: Like I don't have to explain shit. You're like, can
Speaker 5: they get these little kids and they're like they're in
Speaker 5: they're like they're in their late twenties, sent me shiit
Speaker 5: Friday night. But you had the part and then the
Speaker 5: parties too, Like I don't know. It's just like the
Speaker 5: way with like resources that were put in a few
Speaker 5: dollars here or there. I remember like a big, big
Speaker 5: trash can and it was like the generic beer where
Speaker 5: it be like b E E R on it and
Speaker 5: like in the ice. So you got the records, you
Speaker 5: got all those records, you got the beer and.
Speaker 2: Ice thing Like that's like the beer's.
Speaker 11: Like three dollars a case or serve. Yeah, yeah, this
Speaker 11: is Rhode Island. There's no like returnable, there's no deposit.
Speaker 11: This is like hardcore like seventies to each No. But anyways,
Speaker 11: music and dance, like what do you have? Like it's
Speaker 11: not that difficult to explain.
Speaker 5: Like at the tenement, like twenty something people there, like
Speaker 5: there's a lot of energy that needs to get out
Speaker 5: that is uh that is? That is beautiful? W Where
Speaker 5: do people find uh KGM more stuff? I've been talking
Speaker 5: about it. I have tangibles that have an album, but
Speaker 5: where where do people stream stuff? Rockford files are not
Speaker 5: lovers of music? Where did they go?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on all the places. It's not all the places.
Speaker 4: We maintain a website to kgmar dot com, which is
Speaker 4: like a cure, like if you just want curated like
Speaker 4: we have a page of instrumental songs, a page of
Speaker 4: you know, rock songs of wards. We break it out
Speaker 4: in that way, which I think is more listener friendly.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's in all the It's in all
Speaker 4: the usual streaming places.
Speaker 5: I think personal indulgence, you know, and just make sure
Speaker 5: you keep going with the rock profiles, not to extend
Speaker 5: it out too far where you get bored and start
Speaker 5: to hate the project. But if you can choose in
Speaker 5: between putting some more ear into the project or not,
Speaker 5: I would say go to the ear of the project.
Speaker 5: I'll show up with with my team geez and even
Speaker 5: talking about you know, some of the things James Gardner
Speaker 5: did to kind of help people like get along, like
Speaker 5: in the workplace, and last I read Hollywood is a
Speaker 5: decent workplace for you know, a certain amount of people,
Speaker 5: but it is a tough ass job that never seems
Speaker 5: to end for a lot of people working in the field.
Speaker 5: So anything else you want to drop in or throw
Speaker 5: out there or whatever, anything else we need to know
Speaker 5: or what have you.
Speaker 4: I think the only other thing that is so meaningful
Speaker 4: to me is Bobby was talking about a little bit.
Speaker 4: But it's that aspect of creating as a couple that
Speaker 4: is intense and it looks a lot of different ways,
Speaker 4: and he was alluding to it, you know, at its
Speaker 4: best can be you know, say I come up with
Speaker 4: something and I remember this one time in particular, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I want the guitar to make the song feel like
Speaker 4: you're underwater, Like what what the hell is that?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: But that's like what I was feeling. I wanted to
Speaker 4: feel like you're underwater. And then he plays his guitar
Speaker 4: part and it's just a thing perfect. And so that
Speaker 4: aspect of knowing each other so well, and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: especially especially you like you really anticipate stuff with me,
Speaker 4: and that's amazing. And at the same time, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes it you know, not I wouldn't even say arguments,
Speaker 4: but gets a little sideways, get.
Speaker 5: No way, no way, no way, and possible.
Speaker 4: The other day, he was playing some guitar solo and
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize it, but I guess I was
Speaker 4: making a really horrible face and he stops. He's like,
Speaker 4: that is the meanest face you've ever made at me
Speaker 4: in your life.
Speaker 5: That is so discorded from what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 5: And I got to, let you know, but.
Speaker 4: So cool to like, you know, to do all that
Speaker 4: as a couple and it's beautiful and amazing and it's
Speaker 4: messy and it's.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a lot easier to get the other
Speaker 2: people to show up to practice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's you know, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And and to have somebody that's more tolerant with things
Speaker 2: that when they're first presented, a lot of people would
Speaker 2: just shake their head and be like, you know, hey, thanks,
Speaker 2: I can't make it ever again, because yeah, I've got
Speaker 2: other things that I need to do and you're embarrassing
Speaker 2: you know. So there's that part of it's really good too.
Speaker 5: Well, even for like my partner Jenny and I were
Speaker 5: like it was like earlier in the week and like
Speaker 5: it was like super nice outside and we had all
Speaker 5: this spray paint and I just take it down the
Speaker 5: Christmas tree half the Easter, and then we put it
Speaker 5: in the backyard and we're spray painting. It's like now
Speaker 5: we can have the tree in the backyard for the
Speaker 5: rest of the things. But it's just like spray painting
Speaker 5: and stuff like to other it's like, you know, like
Speaker 5: I haven't always done it in my life or indulged
Speaker 5: myself in that type of way. And so once I
Speaker 5: started to like I'm gonna be doing that, like I
Speaker 5: could probably kill over spray paint in a tree like
Speaker 5: years and years from now, because it's just do it.
Speaker 5: Do it. Like I missed too much time of not
Speaker 5: doing it, being too too, too, too precious in my
Speaker 5: own head about what is it that it's going to
Speaker 5: be and all that still have the tree back there,
Speaker 5: it's still back there. Yeah, it's like it's it's the
Speaker 5: I don't know what the neighbors think about it, you know,
Speaker 5: in the in the mid in the mid Valley down here,
Speaker 5: but they got a color decorated, a spray paint Christmas
Speaker 5: tree for sure.
Speaker 2: So I think there may be an event that's still
Speaker 2: coming up that's run by a printmaking studio in town,
Speaker 2: Jane Paglio Rulo's studio, Hotelier Meridian. She rents an asphalt roller,
Speaker 2: so if the tree is still around, maybe we can
Speaker 2: ink it up and run it over with a steamroller.
Speaker 5: You see, this is this is how it all. This,
Speaker 5: this is this is dangerous right. This all happens the
Speaker 5: next episode. In the next episode, we had a look. Look, look,
Speaker 5: look we freak it did after this and look what happened.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you definitely need to be a part of that.
Speaker 4: And just real quick, I love that story so much
Speaker 4: because it reminds me of we fell in love on Easter. Yes,
Speaker 4: because we had we blew out eggs and like painted
Speaker 4: them and I think we even put like offensive sayings
Speaker 4: on them or like he has risen or anyway, there's
Speaker 4: this collection of very silly Easter eggs and then we
Speaker 4: went downtown and we snuck them into the the front
Speaker 4: window display of an art gallery.
Speaker 2: They were nice, you know, we didn't know what to
Speaker 2: do with them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, little stamps for them. That was the moment.
Speaker 2: So I stayed there for a few days too, because
Speaker 2: it was kind of up you know, where people walking
Speaker 2: by on the sidewalk would see it, but no one
Speaker 2: who's working there. They changed the display out every month
Speaker 2: or whatever. But for the most part, I think when
Speaker 2: they're out the door, they're out the door, you know.
Speaker 5: So that was kind of that's why I do this
Speaker 5: podcast so we can at least get to the point
Speaker 5: where we got to that story, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, maybe we'll encourage some people to plant
Speaker 2: some artwork and art galleries around town. There's plenty of
Speaker 2: them to cray.
Speaker 5: So, you know, sometimes it's like, what's the most beautiful,
Speaker 5: you know, piece of art ever produced? I don't know,
Speaker 5: Like Mad Magazine fifty two is pretty good. I mean,
Speaker 5: like you know, I mean at a certain point, good
Speaker 5: work on that everybody Kgmr. Great music and obviously, you know,
Speaker 5: drop into some of the fun around the rock Pro
Speaker 5: Files listeners. If you have not watch the television show
Speaker 5: from the nineteen seventies called The Rockford Files, at least
Speaker 5: put your toe in the water, you know, enter the stream,
Speaker 5: as the Buddhists would say, like wherever you are, enter
Speaker 5: the stream, and so the rock for Files I would
Speaker 5: say it other media. Steven J. Canel and so thank
Speaker 5: you for your for your unique art and at the essence,
Speaker 5: I don't know, like what is our is like to
Speaker 5: kick it around, have some fun, think of some ideas
Speaker 5: and be like this is fun to talk about. I'm
Speaker 5: going to focus on what we're talking about now, you know.
Speaker 5: So I really appreciate the both of you, and I'm
Speaker 5: kinda thank you more.
Speaker 2: Thanks Ken, Yeah, thanks for the opportunity. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Really fun to talk with you.
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