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Speaker 1: Welcome to soft core history.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to self core History. I'm your host for

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the week, Damn Regester, joined as always by Rob Fox.

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Speaker 1: Happy Mother's Day, my wife, who I left alone.

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Speaker 2: To do this show. Congrats, dude, Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Bab we gotta work. I'll go to work. Did you

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like your president that you bought yourself? What are you

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gonna fuck? Pray for it? She's crying.

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Speaker 2: See you're going through it.

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Speaker 1: Woke the kids up from a nap, just screaming at her.

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But I made an Instagram post that was really nice.

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Speaker 2: That's all you needed to all that matters Flowers Instagram

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post the amount of Peamaker not have to cook breakfast?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Do you think women one hundred years ago felt so

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ballsy chewing their husband's out for going to work as

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women do tend to do these days.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, Jack Manvil's here by the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: That other voice you hear is Jack Mandiville. I can

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host Rob Okay, okay, but yeah, Jack, thank you for

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coming in on Mother's Day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Yeah, there's a big sacrifice

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on my part. I had to call my mom for

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fifteen minutes today and I'm here.

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Speaker 2: I haven't done that yet I will.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's important. And plus she's East coast, so she's

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she's an hour ahead. Yeah, you're really ticking down.

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Speaker 2: It's more of a dinner time call, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, all right, I agree, Yeah, dinner or morning.

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Speaker 1: But I can never call my parents in the morning

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because they're at church. So like by the time I'm

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conscious enough to fucking do anything, which is like ten am,

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Like I'm awake at six forty five, but I basically

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just lay down on the couch in the playroom and

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I'm like play, just play, and just like fall asleep.

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Speaker 3: Well, the good news is you got a whole little

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clan where they can entertain themselves. They don't necessarily need

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you at this point.

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Speaker 1: As soon as the baby is good to go, I'm

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just on an autopilot. Yeah, because they'll just beat the

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shit out of each other while I take a.

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Speaker 3: Nap and they'll be self. They'll they'll police themselves, the

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older one will you know, kind of enforce things. Yeah,

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they'll start enforcing the rules. You sat down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to get there.

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Speaker 2: I forgot to get my mother a gift today.

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Speaker 1: I think the phone calls, the gift phone calls, the

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gift phone calls, I'm the gift. Yeah, but I did

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get Jack a gift from mothers.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. As I was thrifting this Ted Williams

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Diamond Moments commemorative plate, and it just so happened. I

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was like deep diving on him earlier today.

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Speaker 2: We had a little connection.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna live forever.

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Speaker 1: Baby, his head is frozen. Yeah, it's good to go.

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You just need to get the tech. TeX's not there yet.

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He's a war hero.

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Speaker 2: Probably would have way more records in baseball.

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Speaker 3: Could arguably bean if he hadn't been interrupted those what five.

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Speaker 1: Or six seasons in his prime in his prime.

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Speaker 3: Could arguably if he would have had those seasons, we

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could definitely say he would have quite possibly been considered

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the greatest baseball player of all time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got basically robbed of of what, yeah, five

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seasons in his prime and then like honestly, like you know,

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he robbed himself because he went back. He was like,

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y'all do Korea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And he was an officer, like you know,

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you know, you can just resign your commission. You can

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just leave if you want to. That's kind of the

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rules about being.

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Speaker 1: An officer duty calls. Yeah, because I don't think he

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didn't get any bodies in World War Two. He didn't

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really know, he didn't really do anything in World War

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two like you. Yeah, Korea is where.

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Speaker 3: He he got down. Uh three air medals, which three

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or four? No five? No five air medals, which means

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he did over twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Missions, which is nuts in a fighter jet, in.

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Speaker 3: A fire jet. And you know who his wingman was

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for a substantial point, John Glenn, John Glenn. Yeah, two

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all American iconic figures flying side.

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Speaker 1: By side, God fucking damn it.

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Speaker 3: And he and he had a couple and Williams had

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a couple real close calls.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got a couple of kills too, I believe.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, air to air.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what he killed on

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the ground, but air at air, I know he had

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a couple takedowns.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: That's a fucking dude.

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Speaker 3: And then came back and won the fucking batting time. Yep.

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Speaker 1: I believe they said there's like a I don't know

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if it's true or not, but I read once or

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someone told me once that he had basically like twenty

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five vision, not twenty ten twenty ten's allegedly like perfect

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human vision twenty twenties normal, and his vision was just

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so insane that he could see the enemy planes coming

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before anyone else. He was an eagle eye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, probably from his Mexican side. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

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people forget he his mother was Mexican.

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Speaker 1: He's Californian, right, He's from San Diego. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna talk about another dead eye today. That's

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a transition in the business. Boys love to hear it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to the wild West. I feel like that's

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one of your wells. Now. It is Peep peep peo,

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China in the wild West.

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Speaker 2: That's all I got.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask, oh, I love you guys, Chinese episode.

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Can I tell you before I'm so, I don't want

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to interrupt, Can I tell you my That's what.

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Speaker 1: The show is. The show is just to interrupt. Yeah,

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you're here to interrupt.

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Speaker 2: It cares about the actual topic.

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Speaker 3: Every morning, I wake up anywhere between six and seven,

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and if I go cue up the sauna, uh do

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my morning ritual. I sit in the sauna for twenty

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minutes every morning. I get twenty minutes of you guys

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every morning and then I shot with the showers right

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next to the sauna, So so I get about half of

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your episodes in every morning.

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Speaker 1: Dude. Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people can only handle me for

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twenty minutes in real life.

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Speaker 3: Can I be honest with you? Sense, Sometimes I get

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so excited about a topic, and I love your guys's

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voice on things, but you know, you guys have the

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tendency to hit the topic that maybe around the ten

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to fifteen minute mark, So sometimes I will fast forward

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straight to the topic. I find your guys' lives intriguing

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and I love knowing you and being friends with you,

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But sometimes I'm just excited that you guys are talking

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about you know a Russians are, and I just want

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to get straight to the point.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: That's probably why we're not more successful. Very good criticism.

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Speaker 1: We will not take it though, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

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will continue to do the show as we do.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're jumping right into it for this show, under ted,

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I'm the one slowing it down today.

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Speaker 2: No, today we're going to talk about bass.

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Speaker 1: Read oh yeah, oh hell yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I haven't known the topic

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coming into a show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we usually tell Jack, But uh, most guests we

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don't tell didn't tell him today. I figured we'd have

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to have a man with such illustrious like lip hair

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to speak on Bass Reeves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's Jack.

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Speaker 3: He had a Western stash.

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Speaker 2: And you're you're up there. You have one of the

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better stashes that I know.

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Speaker 3: If my mustache was any smaller, they would accuse me

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of being a pedophile.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta have the rugged western look because the

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hairline's not helping me. Now.

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Speaker 1: You know what my favorite Bass Reeves factoid is. I

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don't know if you put it in this or not.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're already doubt of me. Go ahead, well, just.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know if he'll come up. You know

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who one of his descendants is, tell us a direct descend,

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direct descendant, noted NHL enforcer Ryan Reeves, no shit, direct descendant.

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Speaker 2: He's got a couple of bass that are like professional athletes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've been out of touch with hockey the last

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few years. Is he a white guy or a black guy?

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Speaker 1: Black guy who it will beat the shit out of you.

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One of my favorite, one of my favorite blues moments

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in history. When he played for the Blues. He just

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he was in a series with the Stars. Just beat

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the shit out of some Stars player. I think thereinforcer

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blows a kiss to the Stars bench as they're taking

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them off to the penalty box. Yes, so the blood

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is strong in the Reefs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both enforcers in their own rights.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I just think it's really cool. You're doing it on

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a prominent black figure, not during Black History Month. That's

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very progressive of you.

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Speaker 2: I know, we tried that for like a year and uh,

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it kind of fell flat. Yeah, we did an athlete

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an artist, and you talked about how.

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Speaker 1: Was the only one that wasn't like he played the

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guitar or he played basketball. Basically did the society that

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like no longer exists the land of Punt. Yeah, it's

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where Egypt got all its treasure from.

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Speaker 3: Like if Egypt south where they get darker.

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Speaker 1: It was like yeah, it was like Ethiopia and Somalia,

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like the Horn of Africa where they were at. So

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if a pharaoh wanted some monkeys or some gold, whatever,

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some wild shit to put in his his castle, his whatever, boom,

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go to Punt get that wild.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not about forcing race into everything. You know,

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he's just a bad motherfucker.

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Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, uh but some some

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people think about that strategically where you're like, no, this

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I just want to do this guy he's cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's just is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So Bass Reeves was born into slavery in eighteen thirty eight, Arkansas,

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serving the family of State Legislator William Steele Reeves.

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Speaker 1: I love that it was an actual like congressman. Yep,

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I mean state congressman, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But still probably better to be born into like higher society.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we're most slave owners were you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, the amount of people who owned slaves in the

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Speaker 3: It was nine percent, I believe is then eight or

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nine percent was the number. Yeah. And then they somehow

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convinced all the poor whites to hate to be angry

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not at them the rich people, but the poor black right.

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Speaker 1: The rich people who, by the way, refused to modernize

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the economy at all.

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Speaker 3: And the poor whites suffered as a result. Yeah. Oh,

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completely didn't get angry at the rich whites. They got

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angry at the other poor people. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Reeves moved to Texas when Bass was eight,

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and he would work the fields as a water boy

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until he grew older and helped tend to the horses

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and work as an apprentice with the blacksmith. He was

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then taken as a companion for William's son.

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Speaker 1: George R.

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Speaker 2: Reeves, who was a tax collector, sheriff and eventual speaker

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of the Texas House of Representatives.

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Speaker 3: Were they run the same age, No, he's a little older.

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Reeves was a little older.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now Bass's responsibility would shift over time to be George's valet,

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butler and even bodyguard.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he's learning some tricks of the trade.

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Speaker 2: They grow to like each other, like as much as

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Speaker 3: That's what happening with Jack Daniel and Nearest Green, who

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was the first master distiller of Jack Daniel Nearest Green.

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Basically as soon as slavery ended in eighteen sixty five,

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Jack Daniel had grown up with this older slave. He's like, hey,

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you want to come work for me? You can just

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I'll be the jobs you'd be the Wozniak.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. I mean, it's it's like tough for people

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to admit, because I think it almost sounds like if

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you say it, it's like a like you're like kind

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of tacitly endorsing slavery or like saying slavery wasn't that bad,

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but like these are human beings, obviously you're gonna develop

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right then. Yeah, Like it's just like it doesn't mean

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naturally being around somebody that long. Yeah, like it doesn't

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mean slavery is good, but like they're humans.

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Speaker 3: They were forced to be with each other. A friendship

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came out.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it work right now, right, like you develop

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a relationship with the people you work with. Yeah, yeah,

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for better or worse. But during this period, Bass requested

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permission to learn to read from George, which was denied, like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's slave out in one oh one, that's too

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much power, right.

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Speaker 2: However, George was like, I can't teach you how to read,

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that's too dangerous, but I will teach you how to

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fire a gun.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Like a slave that can read, that's a lot.

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But an illiterate with a literate gun owner, yeah, love that.

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I'll teach you how to love that man a deadly weapon.

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Can I give an alternate theory on this? Is that

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it's easier to teach someone to shoot a gun than read.

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And George was like, God, I don't want to do school. Yeah,

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I'll just give you a gun. Yeah, because I already

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dread like having to help my kids with their homework,

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So like, yeah, I kinda I kind of get like

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just being like, God, I don't want.

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Speaker 3: To teach you to fuck, but you know how to

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you know how, you know your way around a firearmy,

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and so will they.

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Speaker 2: Bass excelled right from the jump. And George would actually

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enter him into shooting competitions and pocket the prize money.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's the point of having a slave if you

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can't put him into athletic competition and and pocket everything.

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Speaker 1: The dog and the Kennel Classic or whatever, cash the check. No,

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it's the fucking odor. And that's how they looked at.

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Speaker 3: Because the dogs can't read.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Once the Civil War breaks out, George was commissioned as

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a colonel in the eleventh Texas Cavalry. Bess would go

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with him as a body servant and help out with

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maintaining the Confederate camps.

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Speaker 3: That's when when all those guys that are weirdly try

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to justify certain things when they're like, well there were

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a lot of blacks in the Confederate Army. I'm like, yes,

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they were following their masters.

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Speaker 2: Around right right, they're shining shoes, like they get back

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taking ditches.

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Speaker 1: They get back from a battle and they're like, we won.

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It was a glorious day. And every slaves like, yeah,

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he did it, God damn it. He came back so heavy.

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Speaker 2: That was until one fateful day when him and George

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were playing give Him Poker, a little crazy late night

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game of poker. They get into an argument and Bass

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knocks his owner out cold.

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Speaker 3: That's a death sentence.

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Speaker 1: Kind of gotta just roll at that point.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, I guess the soldiers around didn't see it. So

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he's like, I need a high tail out of here.

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So he makes a run for it. He's like, all right,

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just knocked out my boy. No one's really gonna defend

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me here.

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Speaker 1: I gotta leave. So this was like while they were deployed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is during the Civil War.

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Speaker 1: Well, at least hopefully there's some Union lines nearby, right,

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you don't need to make a track. You don't need

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to make a track across the so looking for help.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, but like ther Point is like a

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lot of slaves that escape, Like if you escape from

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a Georgia plantation, you get a long way to go, better.

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Speaker 2: To go to Indian territory. Actually, okay, turns out so

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no one Georgia's soldiers would not take kindly to see

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in their colonel unconscious at the feet of his slave.

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Bass makes a run for it and ventures into Oklahoma

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and Kansas.

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Speaker 3: There old was he at this time out of curiosity.

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Speaker 1: So that during the Civil War he was born in

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thirty eight, okay, so pretty young, he's twenty. There.

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Speaker 2: He comes across the Cherokee, the Creek, and Seminole nations,

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learning their customs, languages, and tracking skills.

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Speaker 3: And from what I understand, not with all necessarily all

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native populations, but a lot of tribes were pretty open

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to have having black guys show up and kind.

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Speaker 4: Of as long as they're not the white man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He kind of goes off the map during this time,

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and not much is known about his eighteen sixties. But

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after the war was over and he was a free man,

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he returned to Arkansas to farm with another former slave

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that he took to his wife, Ginny, And there are

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now four kids that he pumped into her.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, oh wow, good right off the bat rob numbers.

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Speaker 2: I mean you look at that stash and it's like

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she was probably pregnant just looking at him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like an immediate like boom and mustaches were They

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were probably as popular as beards were back then.

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Speaker 1: Right, they're pretty poppy like Chamberlain had a good like

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similar to yours.

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Speaker 3: It can brush out.

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Speaker 1: But most people did have I think beards over mustaches.

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Speaker 3: What was ambro burnside? Would you classify that as a

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mustache or a beard?

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Speaker 1: Ooh, mustache and the burns.

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Speaker 3: Because it was burnside?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just the longest mustache on earth.

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Speaker 3: But typically mustaches don't connect with the sideburns, right, yeah,

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I don't know that'd be a good debate heard or mustache.

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Speaker 1: I think if it's not on the chin, you can't

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call it a beard.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So it can connect then with the sideburn yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But if it doesn't touch chin, I don't know. I

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don't think. I don't think that counts all right.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen seventy started he started making some side cash as

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a scout tracker for the US Marshall's office. With his

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knowledge and connections in the Indian Territory. He turned that

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into a full time gig. In eighteen seventy five, when

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the hanging Judge Isaac Parker was appointed for the Native Territory.

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Parker appointed James F. Fagan as US Marshall with two

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hundred deputies under him.

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Speaker 1: Damn, there's a big territory. Yeah, that's just a lot

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of deputies.

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of bad dudes here in Oklahoma

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in that it's the wild West, it's Oklahoma, it's Kansas

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Otch City, that whole area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, even the law enforcement of that day were a

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little gray and the good.

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Speaker 1: Guy arena, including Reeves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and not not because he was breaking any

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like moral things, but like they would take things on

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the side.

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Speaker 1: And also it was pretty much a judge dread situation.

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Speaker 3: You had to do what you had to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's your kind of judge Jerry and executioner

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a lot of the times. Yeah, like there's not how

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many how many horse do you's got a jury trial?

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Speaker 3: Well, and because they run because they all operated in gangs.

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So if you take them alive, you run the risk

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of their gang coming to get you. Yeah, and try

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to free them.

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Speaker 2: So Fagan was wildly impressed with the stories he heard

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about Bass, and Reeves became one of the first black

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deputies to serve the west west of the Mississippi River.

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There were a couple of others, but he's by far

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the most prominent.

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Speaker 3: There was an initial that sheriff of Milwaukee that's on

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Fox News all the time?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really does that's modern bass?

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Speaker 3: Reeves?

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Speaker 1: Certainly doesn't he have like a reevesy and mustache too?

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I think so? Yeah, I think he does.

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Speaker 2: He probably bases his entire appearance, probably does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and he's got he's all decked out like he's

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freaking Horatio Hornblower.

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Speaker 1: With all the military medals, the general patent fucking what

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do you call that?

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Speaker 3: The ribbons stack?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now.

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Speaker 2: There was an initial speed bump when Bass was arrested

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in charge for a non job related assault with an

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intent to kill Bud. He's found not guilty in April

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of eighteen seventy five.

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Speaker 1: And what about his business fucking.

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Speaker 3: Qualified immunity man who was the jury of his peers,

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other ex slaves or other cops?

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Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, I think Isaac Parker, like every time he

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gets brought up on charges Isaac Parker, who's the you know,

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the judge of the entire territory, who's in essentially his

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boss just lets him off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no internal It was that like his sorry, yeah,

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there's no internal affairs in this deputy program. They like you.

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They're like, let's just keep doing your Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Was this guy like his mentor Uh.

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Speaker 2: Not Parker, but maybe Fagan was a little bit. Fagan

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was the marshal that hired him, but uh, Judge Isaac

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Parker also liked him, and he was known as the

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hanging judge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna be real unprofessional quick. I'm gonna go

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I saw some uh lucy's over there.

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Speaker 1: I got I gotta go over there.

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Speaker 3: I gotta have the nick right now.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get some nicotine in you. That's fine, especially

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when we're talking about the wild West.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's why I tosd on him for the show.

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Speaker 2: Now, the old saying back in that time was there

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was no Sunday West to Saint Louis and no God

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beyond Fort Smith, Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love that. Yeah, I like that. I need

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to just like get that on a throw pillow in

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my home. There's no Sunday west to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Just get that tattooed on your arm. Yeah yeah, I

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just thought that was a hard ass quote.

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Speaker 1: That is a hard ass quote.

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Speaker 2: And no God beyond Fort Smith.

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Speaker 1: Which, by the way, Fort Smith not very far west,

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no either, Saint Louis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Fort Smith is.

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Speaker 3: Back then, that was that was it. Once you once

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you went over that river, you were good luck everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Joe. Fort Smith is like where Fayetteville is.

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Speaker 2: So the territory that the United States Court at Fort

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Smith uh covered was about seventy five thousand square miles.

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It's a big old land.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The capture of a wanted man or woman.

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Speaker 2: Dead or alive would is obviously how he was compensated

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for his his work. They would also get money for

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miles traveled and reimbursed for any money they spent feeding

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the criminals. Okay, not a bad gig, you know, yeah,

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other than danger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, other than you might die going after a murderers.

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And this was not a job for the week. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Only about twenty five percent of non natives in the

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territory were law abiding citizens. Indian territory is where you

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went to disappear and start over.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah. But also, I don't know that it's great

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that you pay police on commission, like your pay like

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a lot, your pay, your entire pay is based on

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commission and your own Like you know how people abuse

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like a company credit card when they're traveling. Yeah, that's

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just how they're paying these I got the paperwork, yeah yeah, yeah,

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they got all the receipts, everything you need right here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that wouldn't fly as much in modern policing.

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Speaker 1: What if we let just cops only be black. Although,

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doesn't it well that's Atlanta, the old Daniel Tosh joke. Yeah,

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doesn't it fly though? I mean that you have like

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a speeding ticket, quotas and shit like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think every municipality is different. But that does

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seem to.

472
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Speaker 2: Be a thing. It is, but they say it's not.

473
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In the two decades that Isaac Parker was judged, over

474
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one hundred deputies were killed in the line of duty.

475
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In total, today, about three hundred deputies have died since

476
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,839
the inception of the US Marshall's Office, So about a

477
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third of these deaths went down in these two decades

478
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in that territory alone.

479
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Speaker 1: Good lord. I mean they're just going after like psychotic criminals.

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you guys always say, you can kill

481
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a cop and just move a couple counties over and yeah,

482
00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:46,920
you're good, shave your mustache off.

483
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: You can become the sheriff.

484
00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:50,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

485
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Speaker 2: There was a point in the journey known as the Deadline,

486
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marked by a railroad track about eighty miles west of

487
00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,079
Fort Smith, where outlaws would actually leave notes and threats

488
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calling out but he's by name like bass Reeves.

489
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Speaker 1: Oh, so they'd write there like hey, hey, bass Reeves,

490
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,240
I'm gonna shoot you in the face.

491
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Speaker 3: This and this is this is coming out of post

492
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,839
Civil war Missouri where you want to talk about uh

493
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,440
state and I think you guys have covered this before.

494
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,839
You want to talk about a state that didn't play

495
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,960
by the rules of war, like it would have been

496
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,160
unconceive you know, shit happens in war, but it would

497
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,759
have been unconceivable for Lee or Grant to kill civilians

498
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,519
and stuff like that. Where in Missouri these were like

499
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,599
blood vendettas. These guys, these people were getting into they

500
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:33,839
were basically like terrorism.

501
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Speaker 1: There were like two simultaneous civil wars happening in Missouri.

502
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There was the normal civil war with you know, troops

503
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,160
and divisions and generals and stuff like that, because Missouri

504
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,039
had the third most battles in it, after Tennessee and Virginia.

505
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Those were the two states of the most battles. Missouria

506
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the third most battles. But there was that side of it,

507
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and then there was also an entire guerrilla war going

508
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on with terrorism, like literally just terrorism. Yeahah, literally from

509
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,440
boat from hashtag busts.

510
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: And those guys needed to do something after the war too,

511
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,079
so I'd imagined, yeah, yeah.

512
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Speaker 1: And they didn't. They didn't want to go work at

513
00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:10,079
a steel mill or something.

514
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,039
Speaker 3: No, they weren't moving up to Chicago for the economic opportunity.

515
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,319
Speaker 1: No, no, that dude. I mean we even covered uh

516
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,039
fucking Utah Mormon wars. Yeah, like it didn't matter where

517
00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,400
you went west, like it was just open season.

518
00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:24,799
Speaker 3: It was.

519
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: There were no there were no rules.

520
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Speaker 2: No. Other than his vast knowledge of the land, his

521
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:33,079
ability to speak multiple native languages, and being an absolute

522
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,480
dead eye with his firearms, Bass was also a large

523
00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,880
man for his time, standing at six to two, and it

524
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,519
was often noted how big his fucking hands were.

525
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,319
Speaker 3: His polls and guns were tiny, back then. Yeah, he

526
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,400
probably was like had as fit as mits over the

527
00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:54,359
entire gun. That'd be like, you know, like Shacks does volunteer,

528
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,519
he does the volunteer ad he imagined like you know,

529
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,519
domestic disturbance call and Shack shows up up through your

530
00:24:00,519 --> 00:24:03,359
front door. That probably what was like Bass Reeves rock

531
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,799
around good Older.

532
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: Who author DC Gideon, who interviewed Reeves, wrote, his long,

533
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,240
muscular arms have attached to them a pair of hands

534
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,680
that would be comparable to a giant, and they handle

535
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,680
the revolver with ease and gray somehow.

536
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: So basically he's like a one of the like when

537
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,160
you when you see like it in the NFL draft,

538
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,039
they like show a receiver's hands, like the guy's already big,

539
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:27,200
you know what I mean. But then they show the

540
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359
hands and they belong to a man that's like twice

541
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,039
his size.

542
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you get in a fistfight with this guy,

543
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,799
it's like getting hit by concrete.

544
00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just grabs your head actually and it's just

545
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,720
like squashed it. Yeah yeah, yeah.

546
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Always wearing a large hat, Reeves was usually a spiffy dresser,

547
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,480
with his boots polished to gleam and shine. He was

548
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:49,799
known for his politeness and courteous manner, but he also

549
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,440
was a good time that would wise crack jokes and

550
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,359
could hold his own with a bottle of whiskey or two.

551
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: I mean, he's six too, he should be able to

552
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,400
take it down pretty deep.

553
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,799
Speaker 3: Like Andre a giant, He developed.

554
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,799
Speaker 2: A way to ride his horses to appear much smaller,

555
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:08,000
and would often disguise himself as a preacher, farm hand,

556
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,920
even an outlaw.

557
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: That makes sense at the time too, because it's like, well,

558
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:18,640
I can't be a US Marshall. He's black, yeah, black, sure, yeah,

559
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,240
I mean, but then once you kind of get a reputation,

560
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:23,680
you're like, oh, that's fucking bass Reading, right, Eventually.

561
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 3: Like oh fuck, it's a black eye on a horse

562
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,319
with a big mustage.

563
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah shit.

564
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,319
Speaker 2: It was very identifiable, like he was not hiding very well, well.

565
00:25:32,599 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: It can't be bass Reads. He got a collar on. Yeah,

566
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,119
that's the preacher. No, that's just that giant preacher that

567
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,119
we heard about. Callous his hand, yeah, and a gun.

568
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:46,039
Speaker 2: His weapons of choice were the Winchester Models eighteen seventy

569
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:47,359
three and eighteen ninety two.

570
00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, lever action, motherfucker.

571
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: He also briefly used the eighteen seventy three Colt single

572
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:58,039
action forty five caliber peacemaker. By protocol, Bass could not

573
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,519
venture into the territory alone. Most of these man hunts

574
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:06,400
involved entire posse's of deputies, scouts, guards, cooks, and it

575
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,599
was required the Bass had at least one other man

576
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,400
with him during his travels. A typical round trip would

577
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,240
be around eight hundred miles and they would often haul

578
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:18,599
back multiple outlaws at a time in their covered wagons.

579
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: That would be such a good period buddy cop series,

580
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,640
The Black Marshal, the White Marshal and all the adventures

581
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,720
and all the silly adventures.

582
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:31,519
Speaker 1: They get on to kind of jango, right, they did

583
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,799
said with the django, But they did that also if

584
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,880
like a true like wacky comedy this he's a black

585
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,079
guy but Shanghai nun Oh. Yeah, yeah, they're like buddy

586
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,680
cops but in the West with I mean you just

587
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:47,519
turn on the money printing machine at that point to

588
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,079
a Bass Reeves.

589
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: Kind of buddy cop with one of his Indian scouts. Yeah,

590
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:54,759
hit all the quotas, check the box.

591
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,319
Speaker 1: They did make a Bass show.

592
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: They did basically just came out on Paramount plus.

593
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:01,279
Speaker 1: Yeah was isn't it with its with that actor who

594
00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:02,279
rules from Westworld.

595
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,759
Speaker 3: I watched the first couple episodes. It was pretty good.

596
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,400
I thought it got naturally sidetracked, but it was I

597
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:08,519
should pick it up.

598
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: So I actually came across this topic because I was

599
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,640
watching The Harder They Fall on Netflix twenty twenty one

600
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:15,640
Western with Idris Elba.

601
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: Jonathan Major was playing bass Reeves.

602
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:21,279
Speaker 2: No, he played Rufus Buck, Okay, Majors play bass.

603
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Nope.

604
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,759
Speaker 2: Oh he played nat Love, the guy.

605
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: That plays his next slave name right there.

606
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: Uh. Delroy Lindo played bass reads Okay, who you would

607
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,599
know by his face?

608
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Actually a character, aacter.

609
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,519
Speaker 3: It's it's such a you know, and it happens with

610
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:42,279
obviously no shortage of white it happens with white actors

611
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:47,960
as well. But uh, there's so many black British actors

612
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,759
that are playing iconic American figures. And I'm not I'm

613
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,599
all for an actor doing an actor, but it's just

614
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,680
sometimes like this belongs to this roles for an American play.

615
00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:01,599
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about immigrants stealing jobs British actors? Oh?

616
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,400
Oh my god.

617
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: I didn't even know Idris album was British until like

618
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,160
three years ago.

619
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of disappointed with the movie honestly, what

620
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,880
oh that it had? I mean it was loaded cast.

621
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,960
It just it kind of fell short. Yeah, it wasn't great.

622
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: It was David o'wale you or however you say it,

623
00:28:20,839 --> 00:28:24,200
who played Baths Reeves in the Taylor Sheridan Show. Actually,

624
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,160
but that was like Bass Read's bad motherfucker. I needed

625
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,880
to look into this guy. Yeah.

626
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Bass's personal record at a time was seventeen men. So

627
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,839
he hauled up seventeen men and took him.

628
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,839
Speaker 3: Back, probably not even counting people he probably killed.

629
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, since Reefs could not read or write, he would

630
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,359
have still he learned.

631
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: Different Indian languages, but still didn't learn to read or write.

632
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Fuck that dude, who cares at this point? Yeah, at

633
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,319
this point he's got he's gotten this far. Uh.

634
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,359
Speaker 2: He would have somebody read him the warrants, and he

635
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,839
would memorize the contents in which the warrant had on it.

636
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,279
When asked to produce the warrant, he never failed to

637
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:03,119
pick the correct one, so he at least memorized which

638
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:03,880
was which.

639
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,039
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, feels like reading would have been easier at

640
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,400
that probably yeah, yeah, yeah, just memorized the alphabet dude.

641
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,319
Speaker 2: On one occasion, Reeves pursued two outlaws in the Red

642
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,720
River Valley near the Texas border. He and the other

643
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,880
men set up camp about twenty eight miles from where

644
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,559
the outlaws were believed to be hiding at their mother's home.

645
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,960
After studying the terrain and devising a plan, Reeves disguised

646
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,359
himself as a drifter and arrived at the house wearing

647
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,079
worn shoes, dirty clothing, carrying a cane, and had a

648
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:34,319
little floppy hat on top.

649
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,319
Speaker 3: A bit of an actor himself, Yeah.

650
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: He told the woman who answered the door that his

651
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,519
feet were aching after being pursued by a posse who

652
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,960
had put three bollet holes in his hat. After asking

653
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,240
for a bite to eat, she invited him in, and

654
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,920
while he was eating, she began to tell him of

655
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
her two outlaw sons, suggesting that the three of them

656
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,519
joined forces with a hobo. Well, he's not a hobo,

657
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
but he's, like, you know, an outlaw of sorts.

658
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: He had a cane. He's an old rickety hopo. As

659
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,599
far as she knows, like he's just like, oh, my

660
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,160
feet I could barely walk. She's like, you look good enough.

661
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,559
You should join my outlaw sons the criminals. You could

662
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,240
be the getaway driver or the fall guy, you know

663
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,200
at that. Yeah.

664
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: The three came inside and she introduced her sons to Reeves.

665
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,359
After discussing their crime to Trio, greed that joining.

666
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,039
Speaker 1: Would be a good idea.

667
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: Now they bunk her down in the same room. Reeves

668
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,799
observed the pair as they fell asleep, and as they

669
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:40,599
snored deeply handcuffed the two without waking them up. When

670
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,559
early morning approached, he kicked the boys awake and marched

671
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,839
them out the door. For the first three miles, their

672
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,359
mother followed, cursing Reeves out the entire time.

673
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,839
Speaker 3: I'm certain, I'm certain there was a certain word she

674
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,599
was using in that process.

675
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: One imagines it was used liberally. Yeah, in that three

676
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:02,079
mile walk.

677
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 3: I mean you can be a single mom from Minnesota

678
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,839
and use it.

679
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that legit? Like that lady's just making money,

680
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:14,599
just printing money saying that. Ah, she got like a

681
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:15,279
big go fundme.

682
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

683
00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,319
Speaker 2: I don't believe any of these gofundings anymore. They wash

684
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,319
him money. What's happening?

685
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Wait, that would be a great way to wash money,

686
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:25,839
like you just gotta go viral.

687
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,079
Speaker 3: Well, I saw a great meme about that. I don't know.

688
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,319
I think I sent it to you guys, but.

689
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: You sent to me. Yeah.

690
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the uh uh me and my black friend.

691
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,799
It's got the scene from Scarface where they're countingrinting money. Yeah,

692
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,240
and the two drug lords are talking to me and

693
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,880
my black friend after I call him the N word

694
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
and he records me call him the word.

695
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

696
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,039
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I just sums off.

697
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: No, she just seems like a piece of white trash.

698
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:57,680
But I don't know how gonna.

699
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,799
Speaker 3: Get that money, and she is gonna blow through that.

700
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,039
She's not investing that money.

701
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: First off, I don't think she realizes the taxes that

702
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,119
are about to hit her. That's basically likes to prison.

703
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, plus Minnesota, which is one of the highest stay

704
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,359
income taxes in the country. Oh is it.

705
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's sixty percent of that money's gone already. And

706
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,599
if she doesn't know how to yeah, she again, that's

707
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:18,000
not going into a four oh one k or a

708
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Twitter and social media are just kind of stoking the

709
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,039
race war flames. She's by the land rover tomorrow.

710
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is crazy though the rest of the

711
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:32,119
country doesn't. There's a certain population on Twitter that they

712
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,880
they live on Twitter so much, they really think the

713
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640
rest of the world thinks like them as and is

714
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,359
concerned about the same things they are.

715
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,559
Speaker 4: Their brain is broken, yes, yeah, their brain is broken

716
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,880
by that specific percentage of the population.

717
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Most people just don't give a shit, you know,

718
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,400
Like it's like, okay apathy. Yeah, well yeah, I'm sure

719
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,279
most people they hear about their like, okay, sounds like

720
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,440
an asshole, But I gotta I got things I gotta

721
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:55,799
worry about.

722
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,079
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care if like, yeah, what

723
00:32:58,119 --> 00:32:59,559
a bitch, I guess you should have done that. I

724
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,720
don't care. It's all rage bait. Yeah, really, I don't

725
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,279
care about that though. I don't care that she got

726
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:04,640
a bunch of money, Like, I don't what do you

727
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,200
mean me angry?

728
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,039
Speaker 2: But right, if you just get swooped up in the

729
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:09,759
rage bait, it's gonna consume you.

730
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

731
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: That's why I feel bad when I see like people

732
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,039
who that's their full time job. I'm just like, you're

733
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,359
not happy. No, you're not a happy person. There's no

734
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,119
fucking way.

735
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: So he march thees two twenty eight miles to camp,

736
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,559
where his wagon was waiting. The outlaws were delivered to

737
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,799
the authorities within days, and Bass collected a five thousand dollars.

738
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: Reward, which that is good.

739
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,599
Speaker 1: Don't oh he was he was banking. He was cash

740
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,200
and chicks.

741
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,039
Speaker 2: One of the high points of Ree's career was apprehending

742
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,920
the notorious outlaw Bob Dojer. Dojer eluded Reeves for several months

743
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,519
until the lawman tracked him down in the Cherokee Nation.

744
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,160
After refusing the surrender, Reeves killed Doser in a gunfight

745
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,359
on December twentieth, eighteen seventy eight.

746
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: Were the natives around there willing to cooperate with law

747
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,960
enforcement or would they hide these guys out or depends?

748
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:02,839
Speaker 2: Probably Reeves had a connections though, like he had established this.

749
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,039
Speaker 3: For I mean, if you can speak to another person's language,

750
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:07,759
you get instant street right off the bat.

751
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: Also my guess too, is that like, okay, those guys

752
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400
were hiding out in Indian lands or whatever, which are

753
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,079
kind of probably sparse, right, like they're just the Indians

754
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,559
are also living there and they're doing their thing whatever,

755
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,639
and like, yeah, they might not want like the white

756
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,599
like law enforcement river come in. But like it's an

757
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:27,960
easy pitch from even Bass reason or anyone else. Like, look, dude, like,

758
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,119
do you want this psycho like living in your area

759
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,360
in the cave? Like you what he's not. He's a criminal,

760
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,760
but he's not gonna do criminal things to you. Yeah,

761
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,519
the people no one cares about, Like you want us

762
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,440
to get this guy off your fucking land. Yeah, it

763
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,519
seems like a good pitch.

764
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,119
Speaker 3: Yeah.

765
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: Another bit of a speed bump came eighteen eighty seven

766
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
when Reeves was charged with murder in one of his cooks.

767
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,360
Reeves claimed that he shot the man by mistake after

768
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,079
cleaning his gun.

769
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:57,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

770
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: Guy, well you know what, Yeah, you're right. And people

771
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,840
who are the most experienced farms people on Earth. Man,

772
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,960
it it can happen even with the most experienced people

773
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,599
with firearms.

774
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: It's a great reason to have Jack on the show

775
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:13,000
because you were shot.

776
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: I was shot by an inexperienced person with firearms.

777
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: See that's what I was gonna go to. But I

778
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,679
was gonna go the other way and be like, see

779
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:21,840
that's bullshit. I don't know anyone who's been shot while

780
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,800
cleaning a gun.

781
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: Oh man. Yeah, three tours and no purple.

782
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna find a purple heart at a

783
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:32,559
thrist store and give it to you.

784
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be our goal. Yeah, I found some fatigues

785
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,679
I was about to buy. I'm still valor.

786
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,679
Speaker 1: Should we go to an army surplus until we find

787
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,119
a purple heart? Oh?

788
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:43,079
Speaker 3: They sell them there, for sure.

789
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,639
Speaker 1: We can get one on eBay, certainly. Yeah, they still allegen.

790
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah they're not expensive.

791
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,079
Speaker 1: Is this true? Actually that because I've heard this story

792
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,480
before that they haven't made them since forty five.

793
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: That is what I've heard as well, that the anticipated

794
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,480
casualties for the invasion of Japan were so high that

795
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,280
from Korea, Vietnam, all the shit in the eighties, the

796
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,320
twenty years of global war and terror, we were still

797
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,480
using purple hearts that were made from World War Two.

798
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,119
Speaker 1: By the way, all of the casualties from all of

799
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,000
those wars, wounded and dead, is less than what we

800
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:22,760
anticipated the casualty count being for Japan. Yeah, like it is.

801
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,239
I mean global War on Terror for example, obviously like

802
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,719
a tough fucking fight, but I mean how many people

803
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,079
died in Afghanistan and Iraq Americans like five thousands.

804
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: The KA to wounded in action ratio is very unique

805
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:41,199
in American history because medical technology has gotten so well

806
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,719
that there were a shitload of wounded, but they were

807
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,400
surviving wounds that would have killed them forty fifty years ago.

808
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,079
So the KIA, yes, considering how long the war was,

809
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,719
is considerably low. But if you were operating off the

810
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,599
same technology as in let's say Vietnam, there would have

811
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,800
been three four times ka.

812
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,639
Speaker 1: The same technol in Ukraine right now.

813
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what their combat life saving procedures are,

814
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,360
but I can't imagine it's up to par with Americas.

815
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: Both countries have lost six figs in deaths, which is insane.

816
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Madison plays a huge role in that.

817
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

818
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: Now do you believe that he was cleaning his gun

819
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,719
and accidentally misfired killing this guy, this cook when they

820
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,320
had got into a previous altercation.

821
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,039
Speaker 1: Oh so it wasn't their first the first whoopsie daisy

822
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:33,039
with each other.

823
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:34,679
Speaker 2: And it was like right before this.

824
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: I mean, well, he has been known to beat his

825
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,280
slave masters before.

826
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:44,199
Speaker 1: So no loyalty. Well here us out here.

827
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: So Reeves allegedly got into an argument with the cook

828
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,719
in confront of the cook after the cook killed a puppy.

829
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Pissed me off too, that Reeves had started to grow

830
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:57,320
an attachment to.

831
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: He killed the puppy.

832
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that cook needed a for food. Everyone's let's let's

833
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,920
all be clear. Everyone's on Bass Reeves side at this point.

834
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's one of my I haven't watched this.

835
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,679
Speaker 3: From Did they pick him up in San Francisco from

836
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,159
one of those boats coming in by the chance former

837
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,119
rail road worker bid a chance?

838
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,039
Speaker 1: No race mentioned. I mean, the amount of this is

839
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,840
another thing about the past that I love, so I

840
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,480
always talking about this show on the show all the

841
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,199
time about how human life was like worthless in the past.

842
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,159
You know what I mean, as evidenced by the fact,

843
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,679
like I said earlier, we were just hanging horse thieves

844
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,159
without a trial, hanging them. Yeah, a horse thief. Imagine

845
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:40,840
if today someone caught you stealing a fucking Kia and

846
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,000
they were like, well and just fucking yankee down from

847
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,360
a low a low beam a in a sheriff's office, like,

848
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,119
no trial, nothing, it's death penalty.

849
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,159
Speaker 2: But what people less cars get stolen?

850
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I didn't, maybe a lot of horses got stolen. But

851
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,079
the other thing about that is like if you think

852
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,000
humans didn't give a fuck about humans, then just imagine

853
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:07,280
everything below a human like people were like assholes to animals,

854
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,440
to dogs in particular.

855
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: I just actually wrote an episode on the two dogs

856
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:15,519
that were tried and hung during the Salem witch trials,

857
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:18,719
and cats went on trial too, all got acquitted.

858
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,119
Speaker 1: They're sneaky like that.

859
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know cats, they would the dog. A

860
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,800
dog is a type of animal that would be okay

861
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,880
with a public defender, or cats would be like, I

862
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,440
need to invest in a good lawyer. Yeah.

863
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

864
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: There was a guy in like the thirteen hundreds that

865
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,199
claimed to be the true King of England and they

866
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,199
eventually hung him, but he blamed his cat and.

867
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,599
Speaker 1: They also hung the cat. Yeah, I forget it was

868
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,159
like John Dritis or something. An episode. He was switched

869
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:49,480
at birth thing right allegedly Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, lopped

870
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,119
off his ear, which I kind of buy.

871
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: We did on Patreon, so check that out. It was

872
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,079
a while ago, but pictureon dot com saw software history.

873
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:05,199
So is tried before Judge Isaac Parker's boy. The United

874
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,559
States attorney W. H. H. Clayton also a friend represented him,

875
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,400
and in the end Reeves was acquitted. It's good too,

876
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,039
the judge.

877
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like the John Gottie of the wild West.

878
00:40:16,679 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: So he's I liked, what's even the defense there? So

879
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,239
you were in the kitchen with this man.

880
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: No, they're out literally on the frontier. Oh okay, okay,

881
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,679
this was them like next to their wagon.

882
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I'm imagining like back at the sheriffs.

883
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Now we're talking out in the wild wide Okay. Then, yeah,

884
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:36,000
that's totally plausible.

885
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: Misfired is gun. They got into an argument, could have

886
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,639
been about the dog.

887
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: And also there's a little bit of controversy like if

888
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,159
that was even true, like maybe it was Reeves that

889
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,280
was anti dog and the cook was trying to save

890
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:49,639
the dog.

891
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: So there's a little bit of a this is just

892
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,400
a better story for me. Yeah, I want this to

893
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,320
be clean for Reeves.

894
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,559
Speaker 1: I don't even care. I'm painting a better picture. Whatever

895
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,519
he did enough good.

896
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,519
Speaker 2: I don't want Reeves to be the anti dog guy. Yeah.

897
00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:02,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

898
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I Also there's also kind of rumors that he just

899
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,599
didn't care for the food the cook was making.

900
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: I hope that's what it was like, truly.

901
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, law enforcement back then was definitely operated in

902
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:20,440
the gray area as far as their moral compass.

903
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: You have to and at this point, he's indispensable, right,

904
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:25,960
Like if you if like you're a he's like a

905
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,760
detective who's caught twenty serial killers. Wait till you hear

906
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,480
his numbers. Oh I'm sure.

907
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,559
Speaker 3: And the thing is, it's not even like, oh, he's

908
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,360
out there getting the bad guys. Like he's a money

909
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,679
maker for these motherfuckers. Yeah, he's he's a breadwinner.

910
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,599
Speaker 2: Every head he brings in is straight cash home. In

911
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,239
eighteen eighty nine, after Reeves was assigned to Paris, Texas,

912
00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,880
he went after Tom Story's gang of horse thieves. He

913
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,079
waited along the route that the gang was known to

914
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,960
have and used in surprise Tom's Story with an arrest warrant.

915
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,079
The outlaw panic and drew his gun, but Reeves drew

916
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,639
faster and shot him dead. The rest of the gang disbanded,

917
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,000
and we're never heard from again. In his three decades

918
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:12,000
of law enforcement, bass is credited for nearly three thousand arrest.

919
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: God damn, but he was getting them in bulk.

920
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,159
Speaker 2: Seventeen seventeen fifteen.

921
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 3: Because well, you know, it's like Will Chamberlain sex numbers.

922
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:23,320
It's like, well, yeah, he was doing ten a night

923
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,800
at some time, so yeah, yeah, it makes sense that

924
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,000
he'd achieve the numbers he did.

925
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: He only killed between fourteen to twenty oh in the

926
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,159
line of duty, not including the cook. Yeah yeah, yeah,

927
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:36,559
not including that's.

928
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,639
Speaker 3: Just extra crecy the possible murder that he did.

929
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of these outlaws just knew his reputation.

930
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,039
Speaker 1: We're like, I'm not fucking with this dude. Dude's a

931
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,639
quick draw. He will kill me.

932
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: I'd rather take my chances with the hangman.

933
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: It does show that he probably had a tremendous amount

934
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,079
of restraint. If that was the only amount of kills

935
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:54,480
that he was involved, he's one of.

936
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,519
Speaker 2: The higher kill counts too for a deputy. Yeah, yeah,

937
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:02,079
pretty high. Twenty twenty is pretty high.

938
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,559
Speaker 3: What are the marshals? Man? That was such a and uh,

939
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,800
that was such an important mission in their history, right

940
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,320
with no shortage of work to do, And now just like, oh,

941
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,280
this guy escape county jail. Just go tracking. He's probably

942
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,119
at his mom's house.

943
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: It's not a lot.

944
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,119
Speaker 3: It's not as sexy as it used to be.

945
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: Tom Jones.

946
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: Now, despite putting his kind of body on the line

948
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:32,360
for all these arrest he was never wounded. Despite having

949
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,639
both his hat and belt shut off on separate occasions.

950
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: Damn, never took a stray, never took one. He's quick.

951
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: Do you do you think mel Brooks loosely based Yes,

952
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,159
the main character from Blazing saddles off of him.

953
00:43:49,199 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I would say Jengo probably too loosely based on Oh.

954
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would make sense. Well, I mean I

955
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,239
don't know about Brooks, but Tarantino is definitely like well

956
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,559
read into history.

957
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, both of them. I mean, maybe it's just a

958
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,199
coincidence because this is like the only famous black US

959
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:06,679
Marshall in the West.

960
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: Right, A couple others, but yeah, he's the guy.

961
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are some big black heavyweights, but everybody knows

962
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,360
Jack Johnson. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, because he loved white women.

963
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: Now, he tracked and killed in the Tory's outlaw Jim Webb,

964
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,599
who had murdered over eleven people.

965
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,039
Speaker 3: That's a serial killer, yeah, yep, or spree.

966
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,599
Speaker 1: We did a whole episode on another guy who hard

967
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,320
What on Harden is that? Who was Yeah? Who was

968
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,320
just like I'm a cowboy and it's like, no, you're

969
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,119
a serial killer.

970
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

971
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,679
Speaker 1: His name was John Wesley Harden. Yeah, and it was

972
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,039
just it was like he tried to act like relative

973
00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:44,039
of my friend Shay. Yeah, which she gave you the idea,

974
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:44,800
She gave me the idea.

975
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

976
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: It was a great episode. But it was funny because

977
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,920
he was just like, no, no, no, I'm just doing

978
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,599
wild West stuff. And it's like, no, you're no, you're

979
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,480
a serial killer. Yeah, you're a serial killer who put

980
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,920
on a cowboy hat. Like that's not the same.

981
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 3: You did not need to order that Chinese migrant. You

982
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,000
didn't need to murder that Chinese migrant worker right there.

983
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,039
He did not do anything to you, No No.

984
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,559
Speaker 2: Reeves also rounded up Wiley Bear along with his gang,

985
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,800
which included John Simmons Sam. Lastly, Reeves was in a

986
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,519
gunfight with Creek Desperado Frank Buck, who he shot and killed.

987
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,599
It's just kind of some exploits of his. He also

988
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:22,599
had to arrest his son. He had eleven kids. Ultimately,

989
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,039
well one of them broke bad, Dana.

990
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of.

991
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: Them broke bat and killed his wife.

992
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: Killed his wife like his so he killed his daughter

993
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,840
in law and he had to go had a cuff.

994
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: The crazy thing is like, nowadays there's plenty of there's

995
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:41,519
you know, depending on the size of the community, there's

996
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:43,639
other cops to do that. But sounds like he was

997
00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:45,320
the guy in the area and nobody else was gonna

998
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:47,079
be put on that job.

999
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: So he captures his son Benny, and he serves eleven

1000
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,800
years at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas before he was released

1001
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,920
and lived the rest of his life as a model citizen.

1002
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: Got a sweet deal because again, if he's still in

1003
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,159
a horse, see, all he.

1004
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: Did was kill his wife.

1005
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then you're.

1006
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, they couldn't vote, so are they real?

1007
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:10,519
Speaker 1: Exactly?

1008
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:14,119
Speaker 3: Women couldn't even vote there, that doesn't really make them human.

1009
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: Really sounds like he got a benefit of his dad

1010
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,760
being Bass Reeves. Yeah, and turning himself in.

1011
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Really, Oh, he turned himself in. Yeah, they kind of

1012
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,920
met halfway. He didn't put up a fight.

1013
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure he was aware of his dad's reputation too.

1014
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,119
Speaker 1: They do tell you that if you're getting arrested for anything,

1015
00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:33,400
even semi serious, the more compliant you are, the better

1016
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:37,280
better chances you have of not being completely fucked.

1017
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Reeves's wife also dies at some point, like in the

1018
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,000
late nineties and eighteen hundreds.

1019
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: She gave him eleven kids. At that point, what's the point.

1020
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: He remarries and then young when Oklahoma becomes a state.

1021
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,880
In nineteen oh seven, Reeves, then sixty eight, became an

1022
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,440
officer of the Muskugee Police Department. He served there for

1023
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,360
two Yearsgie, ok oh, okay.

1024
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the when you drive through Oklahoma, the amount of

1025
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,239
unpronounceable cities and towns.

1026
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, we see because it's not it's not some tribe

1027
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,920
that's indigenous to Oklahoma. It's twenty tribes that are from

1028
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,039
Florida and Georgia that that's not even their native land.

1029
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:20,519
Speaker 2: No, they got driven there.

1030
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: It is just every like the exit is which gibberish word? Yeah,

1031
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:25,679
what the fuck?

1032
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,559
Speaker 3: Well, it's like I'm from Minnesota and there's a lot

1033
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,159
of Ojibwe and Lakota words, but those are the only

1034
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,880
two players on the block in that state, right, so

1035
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,079
you just get used to pronouncing them. But Oklahoma is

1036
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,199
like there's like so many different tribes that were pushed

1037
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:38,599
into that.

1038
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: Area of different languages. Yeah yeah, yeah, real quick, before

1039
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,840
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Speaker 2: He serves there for two years before it becomes ill

1089
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:22,239
and retires. Ultimately, he dies January twelfth, nineteen ten, at

1090
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,320
the age of seventy one.

1091
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: Lived a good life.

1092
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: For oh for that time, oh my god. Hell yeah,

1093
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,400
and considering what he the circumstances he was born into, yeah, slavery.

1094
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,960
And he goes from you.

1095
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: Know, friendship a piece of property to.

1096
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: Uh, one of the most you know, notable names of

1097
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:41,719
the time.

1098
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: Easily a top ten wild less figure, I would say,

1099
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,280
top one. Mustache.

1100
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah have you seen it?

1101
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:50,159
Speaker 1: Uh yes, I've seen it before.

1102
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: I'll just remind you. I mean it's it's I mean,

1103
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:53,920
I always want to.

1104
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: Be remember it kind of look like a black g

1105
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:57,119
Gordon Lyddie perfect.

1106
00:50:57,199 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: That's a good, good ass stash. He's a good looking

1107
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:59,800
can I see.

1108
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great looking guy.

1109
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he.

1110
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 1: By the way, looks show that picture again. It looks

1111
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,440
a decent amount like Ryan Reeves too.

1112
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's genetics, man.

1113
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what was it like his great grand great great

1114
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,800
grandfather great?

1115
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think great great.

1116
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:24,119
Speaker 3: Okay, and there's probably still some DNA clinging on at

1117
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:24,639
that level.

1118
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: I think it's. Yeah, it clings on longer than you think.

1119
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:29,679
I think if you went back in time one hundred

1120
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:32,239
and fifty years and saw your relatives, you'd be like, whoa.

1121
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:35,119
Speaker 3: I'll shut. My great great grandfather was the mayor of Minneapolis,

1122
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:38,079
so his picture is very well documented. There's a lot

1123
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,000
of similarities there.

1124
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. I mean when you have kids,

1125
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,840
like I just look at all, especially Rory's my oldest,

1126
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,159
so he and for whatever reason, he looks very a

1127
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:48,000
lot like me. And I was look at him sometimes

1128
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:51,280
and be like, I'm just raising myself.

1129
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: That's what all parents say.

1130
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like this is just fucking weird.

1131
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: His great great grandson, Willard Reeves Uh plays football in

1132
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,400
the CFL Canadian Football League.

1133
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Did he play college in America?

1134
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,079
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's probably American from is he from Oklahoma?

1135
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,159
Speaker 2: He probably just wasn't good enough to make the NFL.

1136
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.

1137
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: Ryan Reeves is his great great grandson. Yeah as well.

1138
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Reeves g still playing, I believe for the Leafs.

1139
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,199
I think so. He's still in the playoffs right now.

1140
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,760
He's an enforcer, Yes he dude, He's one of the

1141
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,039
best hockey fighters I've seen this century. Obviously, the hockey

1142
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,920
fighters used to be way better, like Tony Twist, well,

1143
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,800
it used to be a lot more of them, right exactly.

1144
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,519
But Reeves is one of one of the few left

1145
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:40,639
that is like a legit. He's there to fuck people up,

1146
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:44,480
and he is. He's fun like, He's a fun ass dude.

1147
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: The reason why I asked if he was a black

1148
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,239
obviously I knew Bass Reeves was black. But the reason

1149
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,679
why I asked if he was a black guy or

1150
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,880
white guy is you It's we see it numerous times

1151
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,000
in American families where Thomas Jefferson, for example, he has

1152
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:04,679
a completely black side wing of his descendants and a

1153
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,360
completely These aren't like mixed inter racial looking people. You're

1154
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,519
if you're a descendant of Thomas Jefferson, you're either completely

1155
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:13,880
white or completely black.

1156
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: Well, actually, the daughter of I think Sally Hemmings that

1157
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,440
was his and he completely freed.

1158
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: And Sally Hemmings was only half black.

1159
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:23,039
Speaker 1: No, she was a.

1160
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:24,599
Speaker 3: Quarter black quarter Oh wow.

1161
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was so passable that they had no problem

1162
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:29,400
like freeing her and.

1163
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, like she looked white and that's all that mattered, right,

1164
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,840
They of course they had that one drop policy, but

1165
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,440
if you were passable, you were just good. You're good.

1166
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And allegedly I think it was his daughter. I

1167
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,400
think it was his daughter, maybe was his granddaughter, but

1168
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,679
she was like, just look white. So they were like, yeah,

1169
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,599
you're probably final for you and go out into the world.

1170
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,679
Speaker 3: Don't tell your husband.

1171
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually did not realize that until we did

1172
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,639
an episode on who did we do it on? I

1173
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,559
forget what it was, but this having all the heaving

1174
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,679
stuff was in there, and I did not realized that

1175
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,679
Sally Hemmings was a quadroon as I believe they call it.

1176
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,079
Speaker 3: She was more white than black.

1177
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a Picton episode about Thomas Jefferson's brother.

1178
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, who was like

1179
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,639
kind of a piece of shit. It's like the party, yeah,

1180
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:17,719
TJ had.

1181
00:54:18,599 --> 00:54:21,679
Speaker 3: Every president has to have that brother or child that

1182
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:24,960
gets them gives them headaches.

1183
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: With the headline, TJ had a sort of like Roger

1184
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,800
Clinton Hunter Biden brother essentially.

1185
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: And you were trying to blame him for actually what

1186
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,039
TJ did.

1187
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh there is there is theories or whatever that they

1188
00:54:39,039 --> 00:54:41,440
were TJ's brothers kids.

1189
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,079
Speaker 3: And not dad was the slaves. They were Hemmings.

1190
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: I believe was banged by the Sally Hemmings mom was

1191
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,480
banged by Jefferson's dad.

1192
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they Jefferson learned that behavior from his dad.

1193
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,119
Oh yeah, I don't know the numbers on that. I

1194
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,599
don't Uh, I don't know if all slave owners were

1195
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,119
doing that, if that was like a common thing, or

1196
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,039
maybe certain states they did it more.

1197
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty common.

1198
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's our episode on Bess Reebs though. What'd

1199
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:13,480
you guys learn?

1200
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: Uh? The numbers were really surprising to me. I knew

1201
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,119
he was a badass, but I only had the cliff notes.

1202
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,920
Those numbers are and you know, obviously became a very

1203
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:24,519
wealthy man.

1204
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:27,559
Speaker 2: Three thousand arrest You're getting like a couple of grand.

1205
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: Three thousand arrest over how many years? Thirty thirty? Okay, damn,

1206
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,679
that's a shit ton. Yeah, like every year that got

1207
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,960
that man just made a long story career grind culture. Yeah,

1208
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,639
I kind of I'd say I didn't know, the numbers.

1209
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,760
Like I kind of thought he was like obviously badass,

1210
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,360
but like more so maybe like a wider situation where

1211
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,119
he had a couple of like hyper bad ass incidents

1212
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,400
that made him bad ass. But no, this guy was jevity, assistent,

1213
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:59,119
grind culture. Yeah, the Emmett Smith of his time, just

1214
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,480
stacking numbers. Yeah.

1215
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: Is he a you know, kind of manipulator with the

1216
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,719
numbers because he was just around for so long.

1217
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:11,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, the best availability, the best ability

1218
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:11,800
is availability.

1219
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,519
Speaker 2: Never got shot. That's crazy that.

1220
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,559
Speaker 1: So here's the thing that is where you reconcile. Was

1221
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:21,039
he just a stack compiler with was he skilled? Is

1222
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,079
that he never got hit? So you know it was

1223
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,079
beyond stat compiling. This was a skilled man. And he's

1224
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:30,960
a big target six to two. Yeah, no, Joe, big

1225
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:35,599
muscular guy that farmed, huge hands. Yeah that's how that's

1226
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:38,159
how he was quick. The fucking hands just handled the

1227
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,239
whole fucking gun a little tiny hand boy.

1228
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 3: Just like it's crazy too when you think about too

1229
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:49,559
white people back then probably didn't have well I guess

1230
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,440
it was to be depending on the situation, but they

1231
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,519
probably didn't have the inherent you know those the fear

1232
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:58,119
of the menacing black man thing that eventually came around,

1233
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:00,719
like they were used to being they were used to

1234
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,320
overpowering black people, right, So they didn't have they probably

1235
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,960
didn't have a fear of that's just based on his color.

1236
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,599
Speaker 1: Psychologically, they would have been more like, uh, I could

1237
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,840
take this guy, let's just get racist. Uh. It'd be

1238
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,000
more like the way you would view an Asian guy today,

1239
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,519
right where you're just like, oh, they're harmless.

1240
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, which obviously isn't the case all the time. And right,

1241
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,760
of course, based off a stereotype, right right, right, right.

1242
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,119
Speaker 2: Right, who's today's hitler? Besides Rob for dropping that.

1243
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: Right there, Yeah, I'm just comparing. I was waiting to

1244
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,880
see racist to say that Asian men are non threatening

1245
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,000
because they could be. They know, muatai, an Asian guy

1246
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,800
could fuck you up just with a gun. I don't know,

1247
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,440
but I'm just saying, like, generally, if you go.

1248
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,639
Speaker 3: To the California prisons, there's a lot of Asian dudes

1249
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,039
in there, like gang bangers. Yeah stuff.

1250
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah say that to the Akuza. I wouldn't because the

1251
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:54,239
Yukuza is the second scariest mafia behind the Russian mafia.

1252
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:58,079
Oh wow, really disrespecting the Italians.

1253
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:03,199
Speaker 3: Eh, Italians had have good historical muscle. I don't think

1254
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:05,119
they're as powerful as they used to be.

1255
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: And also I'm most scared of any mafia that could

1256
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:14,599
potentially sell you a nuke, which was a thing in

1257
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:15,159
the nineties.

1258
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, with the Russians.

1259
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the USSR collapse, there were nukes on the black market. Yeah,

1260
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:26,159
so Russian mafia scariest by far. Who's your hitler?

1261
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,519
Speaker 3: That is a question I was dreading, right, Uh, I

1262
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:33,440
guess you know, you know what the institution, the institution

1263
00:58:33,559 --> 00:58:34,800
of slavery is My hip.

1264
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: Not about answer. His guy was not too bad, you know,

1265
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,880
taught him how to shoot his gun.

1266
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's different classes of slaves.

1267
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,079
Speaker 2: I guess he liked him enough to keep his last name.

1268
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it didn't bother. Changing the last name just.

1269
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,039
Speaker 1: Common practice at that point. It's like, I get that,

1270
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:56,280
I don't want it too much paperwork.

1271
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like when you get divorced. Divorced women they're like,

1272
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,800
I'll just keep whatever this asshole gave me.

1273
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is what it is, like, you really want

1274
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,800
to change that many documents, like you have a mortgage

1275
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,920
and shit, you're just like, I can't do this fucking

1276
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:13,000
it's too much. This divorce is already terrible enough. I

1277
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:16,119
can't do anything else. But I mean, yeah, if you're

1278
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:19,880
like a valet, like a you know, doing like non

1279
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,360
hard labor shit as a slave, like it's it's a

1280
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,079
better life than the field. Guys, it's not good. Obviously

1281
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,159
you'd rather be free, but you probably that's probably how

1282
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:33,639
he got a sense of style all that stuff, Like

1283
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:37,119
he grew up in a nice house. Yeah, clearly so,

1284
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,159
state legislators. Yeah.

1285
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,639
Speaker 3: When I think of wealthy Southern slave you know Antebellum era,

1286
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:49,599
you know, slave people owners, I think of like Georgia,

1287
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:56,039
South Carolina, the Carolinas, Virginia. Obviously, when it starts getting

1288
00:59:56,039 --> 01:00:00,840
to like Mississippi and Arkansas, yeah, I'm like, were there

1289
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,400
any bougie slave owners in those places?

1290
01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: Is Mississippi and uh Jango.

1291
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,239
Speaker 1: Mississis Okay, Mississippi. Alabama had it too. Yeah, but like

1292
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,960
if you talk about yeah, like Arkansas, Missouri, Texas.

1293
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 3: West Virginia, yeah, it's like you probably had one slave,

1294
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:18,960
that's all you could afford.

1295
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1296
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 2: My h Hitler today is the mother that led a

1297
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,880
hobo into their house. Yes, oh yeah, and gave up

1298
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:27,400
their sons.

1299
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:30,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know what words she probably used, which

1300
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:31,280
is that's not.

1301
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: A bad word.

1302
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you want to get rich.

1303
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: So I'll say it, say it, and then you start.

1304
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,159
Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, I got I got one thing I

1305
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:43,079
want to ask you, guys.

1306
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I don't want to say anymore. Jack ruined it.

1307
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: Jack, go ahead, No, you say it.

1308
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,199
Speaker 1: I just it's not in me anymore. It was in

1309
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:51,719
me for a second.

1310
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. Come on, just please, I'll you know,

1311
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,880
I'll feel terrible about this if you don't do it.

1312
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,119
Speaker 1: Well, you ruined it. I was gonna say it all

1313
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:00,880
right now, I'm not gonna be rich.

1314
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: Oh the word? Uh No, I was gonna ask you.

1315
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,000
I don't know if you guys have discussed this yet,

1316
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:13,079
because it's pretty relatively fresh news to Catholic boys. What

1317
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:14,920
are you thinking about our new American Poe?

1318
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:19,519
Speaker 1: Let's go love him? Have you seen his uh? He

1319
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,599
was caught He was in the in a crowd shot

1320
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:23,119
during the two thousand and fives.

1321
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is a socks fan. We talked about it

1322
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:25,800
on our Patriot Oh you did?

1323
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:26,039
Speaker 3: Okay?

1324
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, socks fan? How do you feel about that? Knowing

1325
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,360
he's a fan of one of your big Twins fans.

1326
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,599
Speaker 3: Well, they're not a threat even to the Twins this season.

1327
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,760
Uh well, I mean I've never really had anything to

1328
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,119
do with Catholicism other than just the understanding certain historical

1329
01:01:42,159 --> 01:01:44,639
parts of it. But as an American, I'm very proud

1330
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:44,800
of it.

1331
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 1: This is a it's honestly a massive historical event.

1332
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,719
Speaker 3: Huge and nobody this wasn't like he was one of

1333
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,559
the front runners, right No, nobody saw him coming.

1334
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,159
Speaker 1: No, he was just Francis's boy.

1335
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like he was totally off the radar, like

1336
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,199
you could gamble on who was going to be the

1337
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:01,440
next Pope. I don't even think he was on the

1338
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:02,280
first ran.

1339
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 3: Wild card win.

1340
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was completely out of left field, a name

1341
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,960
I had not heard until he was made pope.

1342
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 3: Which yeah, but he was one of the bigger Catholic

1343
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,159
figures in the United States, right.

1344
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: No, because he did most of his cardinalship and bishop

1345
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,679
in Peru. And then, yeah, he was not just from Chicago.

1346
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,440
He's an American and he's not. His parents weren't immigrants.

1347
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,000
His dad was a World War Two vet in the

1348
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:28,840
Navy and stuff like that. So that was like a

1349
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,679
rumor going around. Initially he was like an immigrant or

1350
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:33,079
something like that, Like, no, he's an American, grew up

1351
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:35,679
a white Sox fan, and like was at was doing

1352
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,880
he was he did serve in the United States. Uh,

1353
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:40,760
maybe maybe he did. It was a bishop of the

1354
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,840
United remember, but he was a priest in the United

1355
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,599
States for a while. Yeah, and then but once he

1356
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,840
started climbing the ranks, he was not in America anyway.

1357
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: Once Villanova apparently someone's mom.

1358
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a real going viral when the pope

1359
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,719
announcement was made of this family that was like, oh

1360
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,960
my god, it's pop Prevost. Oh my god, my mom's

1361
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,320
situationship in college is a pope? My mom hocked up

1362
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,000
with the pope.

1363
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 3: Well, i mean, obviously they're expected to say celibate while

1364
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,079
they're not. That's what I'm saying, Like people assume these

1365
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:10,880
guys are virgins. I'm like, I'm sure even the modern

1366
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,400
popes quite a few of them banged before.

1367
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,559
Speaker 1: Francis was a goddamn bounce. Francis I think banged. I

1368
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:19,920
think Francis banged Benedict No JP two. I don't think.

1369
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,719
Speaker 2: Benedict's was in Hitler youth. You don't think they're getting freaky.

1370
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: I think maybe he got banged. I don't know they

1371
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:31,679
so yeah, technically Pope Benedict might not a better virgin JP.

1372
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: I think this is this is like just again as

1373
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,719
a non Catholic, and I'm not you know, I'm just not.

1374
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,079
This is like when the the American cricket team beat

1375
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:48,159
pack or Indier Pakistan. Yeah, and I never gave a

1376
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:50,840
shit about cricket before, but I had this national pride

1377
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,440
in me. That's what's going on right now.

1378
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 2: I always get hyped on anything American. Yeah, especially when

1379
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:57,679
other countries talk shit about us, like I.

1380
01:03:57,679 --> 01:03:59,559
Speaker 3: Will we just beat you at your best sport.

1381
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: It's I have seen actually a lot of so you know,

1382
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,719
the one hundred guys versus gorilla thing that was going viral.

1383
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,440
A thing that start going about right after that was

1384
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,079
who would win one hundred British guys versus one hundred

1385
01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:12,039
Brits versus a hundred Americans? And the only people I

1386
01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:17,800
have seen sharing Americans breaking down how Brits would get

1387
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:22,039
roasted by Americans is like my most liberal friends, like

1388
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:24,440
it's always like tiktoks and shit that are like I'm sorry,

1389
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,719
Like I'm not trying to be patriotic, but here's why

1390
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,840
America would kick the fuck out of British people. And

1391
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,480
then they're like and it's like literally all my most

1392
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:33,920
take a hundred dudes that work on an oil rig

1393
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:36,840
and they'll beat the fuck out of anybody that's from England.

1394
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: You're dumb ass, now, But what are the rules of

1395
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,239
that because Brits can no guns obviously, no fists only. Okay,

1396
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,400
it's fair now that what Brits do that we don't

1397
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,559
do their head butters. They love head button. Aah.

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Speaker 2: We got that in us too.

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Speaker 3: I've not seen it here as much as I've seen

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it in the UK.

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01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 2: One of my good friends in college head but a

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01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,239
dude in the nose in a college bar fight roke

1403
01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:00,800
it immediately.

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a forehead to the nose. You're out. Yeah,

1405
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:06,760
you're done. But here's the thing. If you miss ahead,

1406
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000
but if you miss ahead, but you're done, wide open.

1407
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,400
Yeah you're wide open.

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01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh yeah. I think American advantage Americans on that one.

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: I think we're bigger, stronger.

1410
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,719
Speaker 1: I think actually the UK did pass us in obesity,

1411
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:26,000
like per capita. Yeah, obviously, come on numbers.

1412
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: We're also more aggressive. So apparently British chicks are kind

1413
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,880
of uh at lost right now with the men in

1414
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,920
England because they won't approach the women. That's why they

1415
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,559
like American men, because they're more aggressive and we'll actually

1416
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,639
come up and have a conversation with a girl at

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01:05:40,679 --> 01:05:40,920
the bar.

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01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:43,719
Speaker 3: A lot of that has to do with just our

1419
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,559
cultural friendliness.

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01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which I've heard is because we're a quote

1421
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,360
unquote melting pot. Like the reason Americans smile more is

1422
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,119
because there was a language barrier that like people couldn't

1423
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:57,440
there was a cultural barrier where you couldn't like a

1424
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,960
normal thing an irishmen. It would do like if an

1425
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,119
irishman just like oh ye right, and then another Irish

1426
01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:05,000
guy might be like back to you, but an Italian

1427
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:07,079
might be like what are you doing? I didn't know

1428
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:12,280
they were just like hello, yeah, hello, the way you

1429
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,039
are with a baby, you know what I mean. It's

1430
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:17,519
just like I'm just trying to even think of.

1431
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,159
Speaker 2: Like the top UFC fighters that are from England, like

1432
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,599
Patty's not really bisbeing this was fine, Like he was

1433
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:30,280
probably one of the bigger underdog stories becoming champions and.

1434
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: They're big boxing well you know there was Lenox Lennox Lewis.

1435
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:36,000
He was legit, but like the big one is the

1436
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,400
guy that he's He's like, yeah, it's technically British, but

1437
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,719
he's a Gypsy. They're operating on a different level.

1438
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,679
Speaker 1: They're not even English. Yeah yeah, now we're taking Brits.

1439
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,320
No problem, Yes, no fucking problem. Get a couple dudes

1440
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,719
from West Virginia, Get a couple from get a couple

1441
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,920
to have them do meth. Get a couple uh fucking

1442
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,760
townies from Boston who were way too into their Irish

1443
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,719
pride fighting Brits. Even.

1444
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 3: Look at our IVY leagues, right, Like the Harvard football

1445
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,360
team is like, look at the Spanish American War, right,

1446
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,280
Like half the guys in that group, amongst all these

1447
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,800
ragtag crazy people were like IVY leaguers who just wanted

1448
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:14,800
to get out and scrap.

1449
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well fucking IVY League football. When Theodore Roosevelt

1450
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,840
had to make football safer from all the murders, it

1451
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,679
was Ivy leaguers. Yeah, that was Ivy League football.

1452
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,679
Speaker 2: We also just have a bigger pot to pull from.

1453
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1454
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, more genetic diversity.

1455
01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:31,519
Speaker 1: Although I will say that doesn't always mean anything otherwise.

1456
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,880
China to be doing better in the World Cup that

1457
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,519
they can't find fifteen soccer players, it's beyond me.

1458
01:07:37,039 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 3: It's because we have black guys.

1459
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: They did too.

1460
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: I actually have British black guys. Is very cool.

1461
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: I think our black guys are tougher than British black guys.

1462
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:45,000
I agree.

1463
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even our our Chicago Muslims are tougher than

1464
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:53,480
British black ass Yeah, Mohammed Leon Edwards took the belt

1465
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:54,599
and then he just lost.

1466
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: The belt to uh Jack Della.

1467
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: But Ausie's will fuck you up.

1468
01:07:59,559 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 3: Oh, that's the Azzi.

1469
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: That's a tough culture fighting Ausies. Although they would have

1470
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,760
a smaller group to select from, that would be I

1471
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,599
think harder. But Ausies are all basically bane. They were

1472
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,159
born in prison, you know what I mean?

1473
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,559
Speaker 2: Like, it's who's the toughest match up hunting on a

1474
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:16,800
hunter for America when it comes to a nation Canada.

1475
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,560
Canada's got some tough motherfuckers.

1476
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, they all know her throw they're scrappers.

1477
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: Did you see the thing that went Varley o day

1478
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,800
the golf course fight in Canada? Those are like sixty

1479
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,079
year old dudes too. Yeah, Jack, did you see that?

1480
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:30,159
Speaker 2: This was weeks ago.

1481
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: Okay, this one guy threw punches and it was very

1482
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,840
clear he had been he had fought in hockey many times,

1483
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:38,640
because it was just like these quick close in jabs

1484
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,359
to the face. He broke the guy's jaw, but it

1485
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,239
was just you could tell he didn't but he got

1486
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,600
in a way, he got it in it, he got

1487
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,680
in a position that made it look like a hockey fight. Yeah,

1488
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,039
and he just fucked the other guy out.

1489
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: Also, they're like, even in the war aspect, Canadians are

1490
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,600
like the kings of war crimes.

1491
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Leo major dude, all sorts of Canadians hate

1492
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,680
us for that episode.

1493
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: We do get a lot of it.

1494
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: Why because we said Leo Manager was a war criminal.

1495
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: Because he went around waving a white flag and then

1496
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,720
shooting Jersey dude, which.

1497
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,399
Speaker 3: Literally they have to have more self awareness. They on

1498
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,520
the Allied side in both world wars, they did the

1499
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,680
most war crimes. Like that's a fact.

1500
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:20,279
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Actually that yes.

1501
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: That well, So when you guys did the show on

1502
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,960
the irishman that tried running into Canada, eventually the Canadians

1503
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,119
stuck up to him and started using kind of non

1504
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:30,960
conventional waves.

1505
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,319
Speaker 1: So Irish Civil War veterans tried to invade Canada and

1506
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:37,720
it actually caused they were they were doing some some

1507
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,800
work for a little bit there, but it actually caused

1508
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,439
Canada to kind of revamp their military into what it

1509
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:44,520
kind of is now today.

1510
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 3: Canadians historically speaking, do some heavy duty war crimes on

1511
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:51,479
the good guy's side.

1512
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: Good for them, Good for them. You got to make

1513
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,920
a mark somehow. Yeah, so I think they would be

1514
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,520
a tough matchup, even though they don't really have any

1515
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,359
good UFC fighters or boxers. George Well, I mean GSP

1516
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,640
is one of the goats, Yes, but he's got he's

1517
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:05,119
long gone.

1518
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 3: That's one guy, you know, if you're drawn from the

1519
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,680
current pool. Well, numbers wise, though, China is gonna be

1520
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:16,159
able to pull some badass people out of even India.

1521
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,319
Speaker 1: India would be a tough matchup just because of their numbers.

1522
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:21,880
I don't know.

1523
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: I think we still got it.

1524
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: I think we think we got it. I think no

1525
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:26,880
one's taking us.

1526
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not even just straight up handhand combat.

1527
01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:35,119
Speaker 3: What about I mean Russians, Russia would be tougher.

1528
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: I think Russia will be tougher than.

1529
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: That's actually the answer, because they have Augustani's.

1530
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was gonna say, and this actually relates

1531
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,760
to the Augustani thing a little bit. Is like the

1532
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:47,079
one thing you're discounting is like, oh, football, hockey, wrestling,

1533
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:49,159
How many countries is that actually big?

1534
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:49,199
Speaker 2: In?

1535
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, like wrestling? The two.

1536
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 3: Russia didn't even really start their hockey program till like

1537
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,000
post World War two.

1538
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,359
Speaker 1: Right, probably not, but they're good at it, but they're

1539
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,960
not They're not fighters. Really, it's Canadians. The Europeans are

1540
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,399
not fighters. It's the Canadians that are the fighters. And

1541
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,880
I guess some Americans like reeves, but like, yeah, the

1542
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,640
Russians are all just kind of like pace and passing

1543
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,239
and and but it is physical, it's for they are, yeah,

1544
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:20,800
but they are more like a beautiful game than Americans

1545
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,319
and Canadians. Jack, thank you for joining us today.

1546
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,039
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it.

1547
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:29,520
Speaker 2: What any good people find you and your wonderful history show.

1548
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 3: Well, I you know that's the only place you need

1549
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,199
to go. I feel I have a history, uh YouTube,

1550
01:11:36,199 --> 01:11:39,880
It's a jacked history j A c k e ed

1551
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,840
history on YouTube. I do I what ten about eleven

1552
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,359
to fIF awesome? Eleven to eighteen minute episodes.

1553
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: You got what like forty episodes already torn, I'm about

1554
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,439
to do twenty oh twenty okay, yeah, well I thought

1555
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,560
I said thirty eight the other day. And I, by

1556
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,279
the way, I do for you what I tell people

1557
01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:59,079
to do for us, which is I, of course watch

1558
01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:00,840
your show. I like to you to help you as

1559
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,359
I leave it on for the dogs, I'm leaving the house.

1560
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,000
I'm just like Jack History playlist. You and my mother

1561
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:08,720
both and my enjoy dogs.

1562
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

1563
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,359
Speaker 2: And your kids that are there, and your wife.

1564
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 1: Uh no, my children would be immediately like turn it off.

1565
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,359
Please just look, leave it on.

1566
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm doing work.

1567
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to work. You don't appreciate me worker.

1568
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:25,199
Speaker 3: You want these toys. You want these nice fucking toys.

1569
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:29,359
Speaker 1: They're all from gray about Shut the fuck up. She

1570
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,760
spoils you. I can cut that pipe off. It tip

1571
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,600
my fucking what. So check out Jack History.

1572
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,319
Speaker 2: Check out our Patreon pictureon dot COM's last software history.

1573
01:12:38,359 --> 01:12:41,319
Two additional episodes every week Wednesday Friday. Get that drop

1574
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:46,319
so much content on that at this point, uh three

1575
01:12:46,399 --> 01:12:51,880
years of evergreen content. So plenty of things to help

1576
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,479
you avoid work and with your commute.

1577
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 3: That's what happens is I'm all caught up on the

1578
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,720
last you know, I'm basically all caught up in the

1579
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,399
last year, and so I found myself going back a

1580
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,399
couple and I get sad, you know, when Jake's on there.

1581
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a good thing going. Jake abandoned us

1582
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:11,199
for nothing.

1583
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:12,199
Speaker 2: He's not even an oyster.

1584
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: Fine, no, what is he doing working at Applebee's.

1585
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,319
Speaker 2: He was gonna do ghost tours or something in Saint Augustine.

1586
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he might be a ghost tour.

1587
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 3: That's there's some dough there out of magic.

1588
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: So we might have to go for spooky if he

1589
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,640
gets that job, We're gonna go to Saint Augustine and

1590
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,600
do a live show with Jake. Yeah, as he does

1591
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,439
a ghost tour.

1592
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 3: And thank you for the Ted Williams Commementer of Play.

1593
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:36,920
Of course, I'm gonna put that up as set deck

1594
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:37,800
for jacked history.

1595
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

1596
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,319
Speaker 3: Even though people don't like watching sports shows, it.

1597
01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: Is what it is. He's history.

1598
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 2: He's an American hero.

1599
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, do something on him being a fighter pilot and

1600
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,640
you're good to go. Military.

1601
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: I'll be just so tempted to go just to lean

1602
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,840
into baseball yeah, yeah.

1603
01:13:53,359 --> 01:13:55,159
Speaker 2: I mean that's how you kind of really grow the

1604
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,520
channel as just military military military.

1605
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,319
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I can't. I'm not gonna

1606
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:03,760
allow myself to be to have that be something that people.

1607
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,720
I was surprised I did an episode on like you

1608
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:11,640
guys have on The Three Stooges. It's it's doing pretty well.

1609
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: People are interested Three Stooges.

1610
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also everyone's at the Three Stages. Anyone our

1611
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,920
age grew up watching it. And also the story's fucked up,

1612
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,800
so like it's a great combat.

1613
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you guys focused on Curly, which I kind

1614
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,159
of spread it out throughout their entire career, but like, yeah,

1615
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:32,159
the Curly aspect is so fucking sad. I didn't get

1616
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:33,399
into the weeds like you guys did.

1617
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,079
Speaker 1: Curly is the o G Chris Farley. Yeah, And obviously

1618
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:39,520
we're gonna sound like idiots if we talk like in

1619
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,079
the weeds military stuff because no other.

1620
01:14:42,079 --> 01:14:44,319
Speaker 2: Of us served, so we'll leave that's.

1621
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,279
Speaker 3: The picture stuff is big picture stuff.

1622
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: Anybody can Yeah, we can't break down you know, combat

1623
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,000
tax unit move yeah, yeah, but you want to, we

1624
01:14:54,039 --> 01:14:57,000
can talk about Gettysburg, right stuff. How what's his name

1625
01:14:57,039 --> 01:14:57,680
without the leg.

1626
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 3: People have entire podcasts on gettys, but that's so media

1627
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,600
of a topic, right, yea.

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Speaker 2: Again, this is softcore history. We love you guys. I

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appreciate you for tuning in for Jack Mandeville, Rob Fox,

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I'm damn for Jester, and you just gouts all served