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No purchase necessary void We're prohibited by Law 47 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.239 eighteen plus Terms and editions apply a website for details. 48 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.879 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 49 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.960 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 50 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:25.120 written about them Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Night Stalker DTK. 51 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:29.840 Every week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking 52 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:34.120 and infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with 53 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:49.120 your host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. Good evening, a 54 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.840 brutal serial killer was stocking Omaha. But who would kill 55 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:56.759 with such precision? Detective Derek Moys wasn't sure what he 56 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.120 was dealing with when in March two thousand and eight, 57 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.759 he walked into a home in an affluent Omaha neighborhood 58 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:04.960 and was confronted with the bodies of an eleven year 59 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.840 old boy and the housekeeper. Both had been murdered with 60 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.680 kitchen knives plunged into their throats. Who would do something 61 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:16.919 so vile and why? Lacking answers, Moys and other detectives 62 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:21.159 working the case were stumped. Five years later, a strikingly 63 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.879 similar crime occurred in which two more victims were brutally 64 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.560 murdered with knives expertly thrust into their jugular veins. The 65 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:31.479 modus operandi of the murders pointed MOIS and a special 66 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.719 task force in the direction of looking for a serial killer, 67 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.280 but no one could have anticipated that path would lead 68 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.879 to the Department of Pathology at Creighton University. In Pathological 69 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.759 the Murderous Rage of Doctor Anthony Garcia, authors Henry J. 70 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.599 Cordyce and Todd Cooper, who covered the story for the 71 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.879 Omaha World Herald, recount the dramatic tale of deep seated revenge, 72 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.000 determined detectives, and the sensational trial of the doctor turned 73 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:02.360 serial killer. The bo featuring this evening is Pathological the 74 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:06.400 Murderous Rage of Doctor Anthony Garcia, with my special guest, 75 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:08.039 journalist and author Henry J. 76 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.800 Cortis. Welcome to the program, and thank you very much 77 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:11.879 for this interview. Henry J. 78 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.319 Cortis now Dan, Thanks for having me. I'm glad to 79 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:16.560 join you from out here in Omaha. 80 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.639 Thank you very much. This is an incredible tale of 81 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:28.160 doctor turned serial killer and some dedicated detectives that brought 82 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:33.000 this man to justice. Finally, we talked about your background 83 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:38.839 with the Omaha pardon me, the Omaha Nebraska, John. 84 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:43.399 Held is the name of our paper, right, Thank you 85 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:43.839 very much. 86 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:49.360 I know this was a big case, but why did 87 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.439 you feel it necessary? Why did you want to write 88 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.800 this book? What was it about this case that made 89 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:57.240 you compelled you to write. 90 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.759 This Yeah, and it actually o victually wasn't going to 91 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.319 be a book. I'll give you the background of how 92 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.319 it all came about. The day that Garcia was arrested, 93 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.800 I was at the press conference where the police chief 94 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.240 announced it and the task force announced it, and afterwards 95 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:16.160 I followed the chief back to his office. I was 96 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.199 just a reporter covering the case of the world here 97 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:19.680 and I followed him back to his office just to 98 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.439 kind of get some you know, try to pump him 99 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.759 for some extra information that would be exclusive just for 100 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:28.560 our our readers. But I asked him that very day, 101 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.399 I said, when all this is over, would you be 102 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:36.319 willing to make your detectives available for interview about how 103 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.079 this case was cracked. I didn't even know at the 104 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.639 time who those detectives were, but I just had a 105 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.120 sense that there would be an amazing story there. And 106 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.519 my plan was to wasn't to write a book, but 107 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.120 to to write a multi part narrative for the newspaper. 108 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.480 In fact, I had already I soon after sketched out 109 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.600 what I thought would be like an eight part narrative. 110 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:57.360 It would run from a Sunday to a Sunday and 111 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:01.759 our daily newspaper, but once I got once the trial 112 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:03.959 was over, and once I got to sit down with 113 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:09.800 those detectives, the case, the tale is so truly amazing 114 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:13.360 and detailed that once I started to earth sit down 115 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.120 and writing and I told my editor, this isn't just 116 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.839 the series for the paper, this is a book. And 117 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:22.079 then it turned out to be like fifty two thousand 118 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:25.040 words worth of the Tale of Anthony Garcia. 119 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:31.319 Absolutely, you start off with the reader immediately introducing some 120 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.240 of these detectives that you have access to, and especially 121 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:39.360 Detective Derek Moyce, and you open with him just coming 122 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.839 to the crime scene of eleven year old Tom Hunter 123 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:45.360 that we talked about in the introduction, and that Shirley 124 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:49.199 Sherman who is a housekeeper for the family, for the 125 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:53.079 Hunter family. So tell us about Detective Derres Morris and 126 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.399 what he finds, and tell us a little bit more 127 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:59.040 about the home in which this murder occurs and who 128 00:06:59.040 --> 00:06:59.560 are the owners? 129 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:03.680 Right are? Yeah? Where this where this murder occurs. It's 130 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.920 it's in a very affluent older neighborhood in Omahana and 131 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.439 the home is the home of the husband and wife 132 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:15.600 doctors and uh and Derek moys he's just the nighttime 133 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.519 detective on the homicide squad, and so he the bodies 134 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:23.759 are are discovered around five o'clock, and so he just 135 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:25.519 happens to be assigned to it. But it's the first 136 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:30.240 of just many remarkable instances where Derek Moys just happens 137 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.519 to be the guy on the spot when when important 138 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:37.680 things occur. In this case, so he's the first detective 139 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:40.839 walk in the door. He walks in, there's some cleaning 140 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.079 supplies set out in front of him, just kind of 141 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.519 casually sit down there and then off off right to 142 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:47.959 his to the left is the body of eleven year 143 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.720 old boy with a knife. And not not only had 144 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.519 he been stabbed in the neck and the knife had 145 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:58.560 been left in his neck and so extreme and he 146 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.199 continues the case. He walks into the kitchen just beyond 147 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.040 where the boy is, sees a knife block on the counter. 148 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.160 It's he recognizes right away that from the stainless steel handles, 149 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:12.319 this is the knife. This is the block from which 150 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:16.160 that knife came from. And uh, and he he knows 151 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.240 that there are two bodies in the home. And after 152 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.240 he goes through the kitchen, uh, he he comes upon 153 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:26.560 the second body, the housekeeper, also with a knife with 154 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:31.560 a stainless steel handle still stuck in her neck. And uh, 155 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.120 you know, this is a detective who you know, Omaha 156 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:36.559 has a share of homicides, but there's a detective that's 157 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:40.200 used to dealing with you know, gang related shootings and 158 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:45.360 and drug related crime. And and so he just sees 159 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:47.879 right away this is wow. This is a huge departure 160 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:53.519 from anything I've ever encountered. And the the knife wounds 161 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:56.639 in the neck particularly baffled them. And in fact, they 162 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:59.879 they would baffle him and and all of the detectives 163 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.039 or for the next five years. 164 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.600 You talk about what the police deduce quick enough in 165 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:15.559 terms of speaking to Bill, William Hunter and Claire. So 166 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.480 what do they find out in terms of what likely happened, 167 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:21.240 even though they still don't have an idea of motive 168 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.399 or any rationale to this thing. What can they determine 169 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:27.159 from speaking to the parents in terms of timeline and 170 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:31.080 what likely happened there from where they look at this time. 171 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:34.960 Yeah, Tom, Tom was a latch key kidd. He as 172 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:39.240 eleven year old in the seventh grade, he tended to 173 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.120 he'd get off his bus right in front of the 174 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.279 home there at three o'clock and we know he did 175 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.240 with the We have a video of from the bus 176 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.000 that shows that happened, and and they typically would enter 177 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:55.919 the house and and just do his thing. We know 178 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:58.159 in this case he went down, he grabbed a doctor 179 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.600 Pepper and went down and was playing video game. Because 180 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:05.279 at the time his body was discovered by his father 181 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:09.919 two hours later, the video game was still on. In fact, 182 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.919 Bill Hunter referred to it as that awful music, you know, 183 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.279 the background music of the video game that was playing. 184 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.919 So Doctor Hunter came home around five o'clock, which, as 185 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:24.159 we now know, was about two hours after the murders, 186 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.480 because it was not long after Tom came home that 187 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.200 their neighbors reported seeing a man, an olive skinned man, 188 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.120 drive up the street kind of like he was scoping 189 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.200 out addresses, pause in front of the Hunter home, continue 190 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.679 around the corner park, make his way to the home 191 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.559 very casually. About a half hour later, around three point thirty, 192 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:54.679 equally very casually walking away. And the man had been 193 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.519 driving a Silver CRV, And so that's pretty much all 194 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.559 they had at that point. We know it's olive given man, 195 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.720 the silver CRV. Nobody had a license plate. The thought 196 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.080 that it was an out of state plate, and but 197 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.080 that's all they had to go on. And and just 198 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.679 the extremity of these types of murders. And part of 199 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:15.399 the problem that the detectives faced right away was they 200 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.879 didn't even know who the vic you know, intended victim was, 201 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.039 you know, was it Tommy himself, the boy? Was it 202 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:27.879 the housekeeper, was it the Hunter parents? And and because 203 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:31.320 there was no clear motive, police ended up looking in 204 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.159 a lot of different areas. And uh, the housekeeper had 205 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.720 some uh in her family, there was some history of 206 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.960 drug use, and she had been having a big conflict 207 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:47.320 with her daughter's boyfriend and uh and and there had 208 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:52.080 been some physical violence associated with him. And so the 209 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.440 place kind of that was kind of a natural first 210 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.600 place they looked because because there was a there there 211 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.799 there was did appear to be a violent individual there. 212 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:06.120 There had been a murder the previous year that happened 213 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:08.200 in Omaha where a woman was stabbed to death, and 214 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.960 in that case, the knife had been left in her neck, 215 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.279 and which was just a very unusual thing. No one 216 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.720 in Omaha could ever recall any case or that had happened, 217 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.399 let alone two in a year. And so that case 218 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.480 was and they had a suspect in that case who 219 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:27.240 had not yet been arrested, and so they probe ties 220 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.480 he may have had to anyone there in the house. 221 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.399 And then the Hunters, of course were asked about patients 222 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.759 and folks they worked with, and in fact they were 223 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:42.360 questioned many times early on about that, and and Bill 224 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:45.200 Hunter in particular, he just could not imagine anybody he 225 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.159 had ever worked with or had ever known who could 226 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:50.960 have done something like this. He just thought he had 227 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:56.320 had no conflicts with anybody recently. Now, there were some 228 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:59.840 other folks in the in the Creighton Pathology department, which 229 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:04.440 is the where he worked, and there were some other 230 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:09.480 folks who were suspected. The suspected a doctor who had 231 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.399 been in the program a couple of years earlier, who 232 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.200 was a Russian background, and who had been seen as 233 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:19.600 kind of creepy variously. There were some people who who 234 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.440 who thought he was a little bit shifty, and and 235 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:27.320 so he was a suspect who many Bell Hunter didn't 236 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.879 even think he was a suspect either, but several others 237 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.399 that Creighton did, and he ended up getting a good look. 238 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:36.720 But you know, of those three primary suspects early on, 239 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:41.879 the violent boyfriend, the guy who had who they believed 240 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.440 had committed a similar murder, and this Russian doctor. They 241 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:51.080 were all pretty heavily vetted and they went nowhere. They 242 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:53.639 didn't get they in all cases, they found that these 243 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:58.279 people had an alibi for the time of the murders. Uh, 244 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.399 and they were pretty stomped. And after a while they 245 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:06.200 started focusing on Tommy's interaction and video gaming and online 246 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:08.639 to think whether he had you know, this could have 247 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:12.639 been some type of internet crime and UH. They looked 248 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.399 a lot into his interactions and they found some interactions 249 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:19.320 that concerned them and with with some with some folks, 250 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:24.799 including in an online chat room where he was interacting 251 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.919 with a guy who was much older. You know, this 252 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.679 is a website that was for pre teens, and he 253 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:34.600 was interacting with a guy who turned out was in college, 254 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.799 you know, much older than than the the and so 255 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.120 it's like, what is this college guy doing in this 256 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:45.879 chat room? He was being vetted. So there were a 257 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:49.600 lot of different ways that they looked early on, but 258 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.279 all of them led led nowhere, and within a year 259 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:58.200 the case was cold, was transferred to the cold case unit. UH. 260 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:02.399 They followed up on st reluctant stuff, but to the 261 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:06.679 great frustration of everyone in Omaham. The original case just 262 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:07.840 didn't get anywhere. 263 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.360 Let's talk about when they look at a possible motive, 264 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:16.840 was there any indication of robbery or burglary? And then 265 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:21.320 second the feature one of the very interesting unique things 266 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:26.360 is how severe were those insignificant? Were those stabs to 267 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.559 the throat and what was the they were characterists characterized 268 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.600 by these were not They looked like the work of 269 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:38.279 someone more expert in terms what we were talking about. 270 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.279 So tell us about that, right, right, Yeah, the wounds 271 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.759 were I mean that one of the they were so 272 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.320 expertly done, you know, it was almost like a professional, 273 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.399 you know, assassin had done them. You know, when they 274 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:56.919 did the autopsy, they thought that, you know, all of 275 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.840 the wounds and there were both of them had you know, 276 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.639 up to a dozen stab wounds. They were all confined 277 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.080 to the right side of the neck kind of just 278 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:10.360 below the jawline, and which is where where the crowded 279 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:16.919 our artery and is located, and and and and In fact, 280 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.799 then in the autopsy they did find that in both victims, 281 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.879 they ate croted our artery and the jugglar vein had 282 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:27.919 both been completely severed. And and which would be a 283 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:31.600 very quick way to kill somebody and capacitate somebody. And 284 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:34.159 and so the thought was this, whoever did this knew 285 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.480 what he was doing. Now if we can look back 286 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.840 now and say, well, obviously it was a doctor and 287 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:43.559 and and certainly that was thought that that was that 288 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:45.759 was a possibility, which was one of the reasons that 289 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:49.720 they they looked hard and to or at least look 290 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.120 to some degree at the at the folks that the 291 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:58.519 hunters could identify who they'd been associated with. But uh, 292 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:03.279 but the the hunters, the folks that they steered them 293 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:10.319 onto again, it just didn't take them anywhere. Now with 294 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.160 this they say that for me, now, was there another 295 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:15.640 part of that question? I think there was another part 296 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.960 of the question earlier on, and I'm forgetting what that was. Now. 297 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:18.599 We just loved it. 298 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:24.400 When police looked at it, did they see any indication 299 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.720 that there was robbery or burglary? 300 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.680 Right? No, robbery, that was yeah. The house was, you know, nothing, 301 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.119 there was nothing out of the ordinary that the only 302 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.759 thing they found was a bunch of clothes. You know, 303 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:38.799 Tommy's room was a mess. But his parents said, you 304 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.799 know that was tommy. It looked like it had been ransacked, 305 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.720 but that was not the case. And and all around 306 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.240 there were valuables that were completely untouched. It became pretty 307 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:49.960 clear robbery was not the motive here. 308 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:55.839 Now you introduced some other characters obviously very important to this, 309 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:01.039 and that is a Gaindra and Chandra h Utra, and 310 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:05.279 they're also doctors in this pathology department as well. Tell 311 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:10.559 us a little bit about this couple and what happens next. 312 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:16.559 Right, right, so you know one of so five years later, 313 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:19.200 the murders happened in March of two thousand and eight 314 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.720 in the Hunter home. Well, now we're in May twenty thirteen, 315 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.720 in fact, it's Mother's Day, more than five years later, 316 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:32.559 and there are a couple of things happen. There's another 317 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:37.079 doctor in the pathology department named as Chander Buttra who 318 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:40.839 worked with mister Hunter and with another person who's going 319 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:43.279 to become pretty important, the head of the department, which 320 00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:48.359 was Roger Brumback. Well, she was often a Mother's day 321 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.480 outing with her husband and they as they're approaching home, 322 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.799 they find there's a burglar alarm has been tripped at 323 00:18:55.799 --> 00:19:01.519 their home and so her husband they get home minutes later, 324 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:04.400 husband checks it out finds that somebody had tried to 325 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:07.160 force their way into the back of their home, had 326 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.799 been rebuffed and able to get in, and then an 327 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:16.759 alarm and sounded and they had left. It took a 328 00:19:16.759 --> 00:19:19.799 while for police to put this together because the Butchers 329 00:19:19.839 --> 00:19:23.000 did not originally report that attempted break in. They didn't 330 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:26.559 think it was a big deal. But two days later, 331 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.039 please show up at the home of doctor Roger Brumback, 332 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.720 who again, like I said, was he was the head 333 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.440 of the Creton Mythology apartment and colleague of both Bill 334 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:40.119 Hunter and Chander. Buttra he and his wife were found 335 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:46.680 murder in their home, and they had both be well. 336 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.599 Roger had been shot, but they had both also been 337 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.119 stabbed to death. In fact, they'd been stabbed to death 338 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:56.119 with knives that were taken from the home, stabbed in 339 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.400 the right sides of their necks. And so this this murder, 340 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.839 these bodies are discovered two days after Mother's Day. And 341 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.359 who was the first detective who walks in the door 342 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.319 but Derek Moys and uh, the same one who had 343 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:15.920 been on the case five years earlier. And he he's 344 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.880 with a colleague named Scott Warner, and he right away 345 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:26.000 starts noticing things that are very familiar to him and uh. 346 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:32.359 The two victims another immaculate home, no sign of burglary, 347 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:39.480 and both killed with with with knife wounds to their necks. 348 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:45.160 Although in this case the the Roger Prumbback, it appeared 349 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.960 had been initially accosted at the front door with a gun. 350 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.640 The way that Derek Moys pieced it together was Roger 351 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.960 someone showed up the front door, accosted Roger, shot him. 352 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.880 There was a struggle with Roger Moore of the shots 353 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:09.400 we were let off, but the cartridge eventually fell out 354 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:11.640 of the gun, but not before Roger had been shot. 355 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.880 The assailant then took the gun and used it to 356 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:21.440 batter Mary in the head, his wife. He proceeds to 357 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.079 go and get knives from the kitchen, gets ends up 358 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:31.720 in a horrible fight with Mary where she's trying to 359 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:34.559 fight off this man with the knife before she's subdued 360 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:39.000 and just suffers very grievous wounds as she's trying to 361 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.960 fight off this guy with the knife. And then after 362 00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.799 he killed Mary, he went over to Roger, who was 363 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.519 also probably already dead. He'd been shot three times. But 364 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:53.920 the assailant goes over to Roger, and just to make 365 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:58.119 sure he's dead, he leaves that signature knife move wound 366 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:02.839 in the side of of his and so Moist recognizes 367 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:05.880 this right away, and he doesn't think, oh my god, 368 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.640 these cases are related because you see some goofy things, 369 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.160 but he was but his antenna was up. And then 370 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:15.640 with the shortly after he makes his first casing of 371 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:20.759 the home they place identify the victim to be Roger 372 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.880 Brumback of the creat University Pathology department, and all of 373 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.279 a sudden things are starting to fall into place. 374 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:32.000 Here at the crime scene, they find a gun, but 375 00:22:32.200 --> 00:22:34.400 there is a problem with this gun, and they also 376 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.119 describe that as likely part of the reason in the 377 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:44.240 subduing of Mary, that this gun has been broken. Tell 378 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:46.079 us what kind of gun that they find there, at 379 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.440 least the parts are. And again this is important later 380 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:49.839 in this. 381 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:54.519 Truck right, because so the gun there's no gun at 382 00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:58.160 the theme, but there's the clip is there? It fell 383 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.519 right in the doorway where was first assaulted. And then 384 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.160 it was pretty clear when the person assaulted Mary with 385 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.640 the gun, this now inoperable gun which has no clip 386 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.119 in it, when when he struck her in the head, 387 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:12.519 the gun broke, and because Derek moys who was kind 388 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:16.759 of a gun nut, very quickly noticed the recoil spring 389 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:19.160 and the rod and a and a piece of the 390 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:21.559 frame that had broken off the front of the gun, 391 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.920 which is what caused the other pieces to fall out. 392 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.480 And so there were some gun pieces left behind, which 393 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:33.400 which which the resident gun expert at the at the 394 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.680 Omaha Police Department Uh very quickly determines to be a 395 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.599 Smith and West with and Smith and Wesson St. Nine 396 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:46.039 and and that does become important later on as as 397 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.720 Derek moys Uh and the task force attempt to piece 398 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.480 together what's happened here. 399 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.680 You talk about the formation of this task force and 400 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:00.880 this twelve person team three four member groups. Tell us 401 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:05.759