1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,599 Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Siko's I am BAF family coming 2 00:00:07,639 --> 00:00:09,960 at you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous, 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,560 mister Grant Hughes. We continue our off season look aheads 4 00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:15,480 for every team. If you haven't done so already. If 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,640 this is your first time listening watching us, subscribe go 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,800 check out all of our off season look aheads. There's 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,960 a playlist on YouTube. You could scroll through our podcast 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,320 feed wherever you get them, and join our discord to 9 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,120 come talk about these off season look aheads. The link 10 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,559 to that's in the podcast and YouTube description. Before we 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,479 hop into some Dallas Mavericks talk, Grant, do you have 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,960 anything that you would like to get off your chest? 13 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see how we can get Kobe 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,960 White and Al Horford onto the Mavericks like we have 15 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:42,200 for every other team so far. 16 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:44,399 Speaker 1: Here's what you do? You trade Cooper flag? 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll do it. So they'll do it. 18 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:49,799 Speaker 1: This is the sort of the I don't know if 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,159 it's defining, but kind of the off season shaping question 20 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,079 I find myself asking and I wasn't expecting to ask it. Grant, 21 00:00:56,719 --> 00:01:01,320 does getting Cooper Flag change the haves his offseason approach 22 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:05,040 at all, and it does change it, but to what 23 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:06,239 extent and how. 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: So you your phrasing uses the word does, And I 25 00:01:12,439 --> 00:01:15,200 will say the answer to that framing is probably not. 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,159 If the word word should. Should getting the number one 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,760 pick change the Dallas Mavericks offseason plans? The answer is 28 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:28,280 absolutely it should. It should change them, like thoroughly, Like 29 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,079 there should be a complete reorganization of what you're trying 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,719 to do as a team because you lucked into this pick, 31 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,280 right like what Like, I just I think it absolutely 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 has to. And like, honestly, if well, there's a whole 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,359 road to go down, if like if other management were 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,680 in charge, first of all, the situation would be different. 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,560 But like if it were not the group that changed 36 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:53,280 the team so so wildly by trading Luca, you would 37 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:55,480 say like, oh, yeah, they're gonna just they're gonna totally 38 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,599 start over, right like or something close to that. 39 00:01:57,719 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: But I don't. 40 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:00,439 Speaker 2: I don't think that's what Dallas is going to do 41 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:03,040 because because what so I know there's more to get to. 42 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,920 What would it what would be the first thing you 43 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:09,639 would do if you were like, you're what is what 44 00:02:09,759 --> 00:02:12,199 is bullet point number one on your off season two 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,800 do list. If you're Dallas and you know you got 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:15,759 the first. 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Pick, trade Anthony Davis. 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,879 Speaker 2: Correct, that is the only answer. I agree with you, 49 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,520 and I don't think they're going to do that. So 50 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,759 now we can move on. We can move to the 51 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:26,439 next part of the run through. 52 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Do you buy though before we want to get into that, 53 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,240 I just want to get the Cooper Flag stuff out 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,919 of the way element of it. Yeah, The reporting is 55 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,759 they're going to keep the pick, which I think that's 56 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,120 the right decision at least, and I'm assuming they will 57 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:39,120 use said pick on Cooper Flag. Do you think is 58 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,000 there like any player that would get you, as Dallas 59 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,719 thing here that you could talk yourself into saying this 60 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:47,560 will probably lower the bar bit. The Mavericks can say 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,719 whatever they want right now, but Nico Harrison would definitely 62 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:55,039 think about moving this pick for player What who I mean? 63 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,199 Speaker 2: So you have to start with Giannis would spark a 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,560 conversation even that that's kind of dumb because Kyrie is 65 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:03,199 not going to play for most of next year, So 66 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,280 what do you what are you doing? 67 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:06,759 Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're not moving Kyrie or 68 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:09,479 Anthony Davis, which I'm not, if you're trading Cooper Flag, 69 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,599 you probably shouldn't because you're all in on Now how 70 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,599 many players are you giving up to get Yannis then? 71 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,199 And that's right, so Kyrie's out till January at least, 72 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:18,800 and then you give it up four of your rotation 73 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,280 players to get Johanness in there. 74 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,319 Speaker 2: So but what about going the other way and like 75 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,840 the Spurs or the Sixers say we'll give you our 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,159 second slash third pick and a bunch of young guys, 77 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 or there's like someone out there is willing to offer 78 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,199 you a couple unprotected in the future, and it's a 79 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:41,000 team that, like you, have reasonablieve shorting their future is 80 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,599 a good idea like that actually, because of what you 81 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:48,280 pointed about pointed out about any like high dollar incoming 82 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:50,960 salaries like it make it would almost make more sense 83 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,800 if you just you're not convinced Flag is who everyone 84 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,439 says he is. You think the difference between the number 85 00:03:56,439 --> 00:03:58,520 one and the number two or three is not as 86 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,759 big as everyone says it is, and you think getting 87 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,599 more assets is the way to go, Like, I think 88 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,159 that you could sell me on that a little bit 89 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:10,400 better than you could on we think we're The right 90 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:14,000 move is to go get Kevin Durant or Giannis or whatever. Like, 91 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,399 it's just like not that any you'd ever trade number 92 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:17,759 one for Durant, But you know what I mean, Like 93 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,399 doesn't it would make more sense if you just differed 94 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,639 from consensus on Flag and capitalize on that by getting 95 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,879 a bunch of other young assets and draft capital. But like, 96 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,920 I think the consensus on Flag is probably just right, 97 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:31,800 So maybe you don't do that. 98 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,079 Speaker 1: Is this what if Charlotte came and so we will 99 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:38,639 give you LaMelo Ball an hour pick next year and 100 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,560 your pick next year back for number one? 101 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: I think you got to think about that, right. 102 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: That you could say, your own pick plus what do 103 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,759 they have this year? Number six? Five? What they have 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:52,360 they four? 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: At Wow, Charlotte, that would be pretty sure. 106 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, so four and Lamela Ball and Dallas's own pickback 107 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,120 from Cooper Flag Dallas would have to do that. I 108 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,160 think Charlotte would be what was like, what was going 109 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:04,480 on with the Hornets there? I'm Michael Jordan running them again? 110 00:05:05,439 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: Right, Well, they get Cooper Flaggy I think they actually Dan, 111 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,720 I think both teams. So here's the problem. Charlotte should 112 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:20,319 definitely do that, like without hesitation. But well, I'm sure 113 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:22,360 they'll be pushed back on the without hesitation part. I 114 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,720 think you do that if you're Charlotte, would I think Dallas? Yeah, 115 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,720 that's a you gotta think about it. With Dallas, I'm 116 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,199 not sure. I'd have to think harder about it to 117 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,959 know whether that's like a no brainer. But I man, 118 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:33,759 because then you. 119 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: Can take Yeah, so their own pick, sorry I meant 120 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,920 to say their own pick back in twenty seven, so 121 00:05:37,959 --> 00:05:40,720 you would have your next two draft picks in addition 122 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,920 to la mellow ball and number four. Semi interesting, right. 123 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:45,959 The other one, this is I think this came from 124 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,920 one of our colleagues at Bleacher Report, was what if 125 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,639 you traded Cooper Flag for Jason Tatum and then you 126 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,759 go through the entire gat no Kyrie, not Tatum. Then 127 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,800 you have your own pick next year, and then you 128 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:01,279 run back in twenty twenty seven with another high lottery pick, Tatum, 129 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,319 Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis. 130 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: I uh that would that? Would that allow the Mavericks 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,000 to capitalize on the very end of their what is 132 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,199 it a three to five year timeline? 133 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: I think Jason Tatum's a little too young for that, right. 134 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,560 I think Kevin Durant is more Nico Hammon. 135 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:21,199 Speaker 2: Win now they want to win right now? God, this 136 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:27,800 fuck's so stupid. What if can the Spurs do any 137 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,879 if it were Castle and two and something else? Does 138 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:36,240 Dallas bite at that? Castle is probably not like I 139 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,040 would high enough level prospect for that. 140 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:39,959 Speaker 1: I would need like so many more picks as part 141 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,680 of that, and maybe Devin Vessel as well. 142 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:45,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was going. 143 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: Through the exercise. Yeah, the Charlotte Dee was the only 144 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,800 one I could think, and I actually don't if I'm Charlotte. 145 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:52,360 That's just I know the MAVs pick is more valuable 146 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,920 to the MAVs than anybody else, So they're in fury, 147 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,759 not going to be bad in twenty twenty seven. You 148 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,839 owned the pick, but I don't know. Number three, number 149 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,040 four and LaMelo. For me, it seems like a lot. 150 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,680 But that was the only interesting one I could come 151 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,800 up with. I think this lets us get into so 152 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:06,920 we could talk about Okay, now we're they actually gonna 153 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:11,240 do this offseason. They're Vitals, so they are around one 154 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:14,560 point one million dollars into the second Apron after winning 155 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,959 their draft lottery. So that's the part of this is that, Yeah, 156 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,399 you're happy you have Cooper Flag, You've now gotten more 157 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,959 inflexible because the cop hold goes up. This does assume 158 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,680 that Kyrie and Dwight Powell pick up their player options. 159 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,319 Dwight Powell has the four million dollar player option. I 160 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,720 assume he'll pick it up unless he's gonna opt out 161 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,120 and they're gonna give him a one plus one and 162 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,560 a lower number. The Kyrie stuff is interesting, so I 163 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,240 think we should kind of start there. But as a note, 164 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,639 if Dallas is looking to cut costs, they're eighteen million 165 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,319 dollars plus into the tax overall, So like that would 166 00:07:44,319 --> 00:07:45,920 be if this team doesn't want to pay the tax 167 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,519 because Kyrie's injured and they have Cooper Flag and they 168 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:51,519 feel like they're not resetting but they need a quasi 169 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,759 gap year, that's the number that you would look at 170 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:56,720 them trying to shed, which is difficult to do spoiler alert. 171 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,639 But Kyrie, what is the like, what's the move for him? 172 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,600 What's the right move for the MAVs. Does it opt 173 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:04,839 in and extend, does it opt out sign at a 174 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:07,240 lower average annual value over a longer time? 175 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,959 Speaker 2: What is it? I think my first thought is he 176 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:14,120 should just pick up just exercise the player option, which 177 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,879 is like what forty three I can't remember what the 178 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:17,360 number is. 179 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,439 Speaker 1: His option comes in at forty three point four of 180 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,399 a billion dollars. 181 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: I believe my first thought would be picking up rehab 182 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:29,839 that everybody seems to like the twenty six free agency 183 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,200 scenario better than this one, and just go back out 184 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,679 there and assume that your earning power is still in 185 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,519 the like thirty five to forty million a year range, 186 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,039 maybe higher depending on how short or long the deal is, 187 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,639 and you just do that. But like, there might be 188 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,000 a lot to be said for him, let alone Dallas 189 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,320 in locking down like as much long term money as 190 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,720 you can right now, even if that's like at a 191 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,360 diminished annual rate, particularly if you're like into the near 192 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,799 and mid term future of this team, as Kyrie like, 193 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,080 I'd like to be here with AD and Flag and 194 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,399 we think I think Flag will be ready to help, 195 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,159 like immediately. I still think I would pick it up 196 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,480 and then hit free agency. I wouldn't be surprised though, 197 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,120 if he's like, if you guys can do three year, 198 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,559 I'll opt out three years and one hundred and forty 199 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,519 something like that. I think there's a lot of sense 200 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:25,879 in him doing something like that. 201 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,879 Speaker 1: So I wonder if you're the MAVs and I was 202 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:30,960 wrong about Kyrie Irving's player option by the way, it's 203 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,679 forty three million off forty three point four. I wonder 204 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,200 if you're the MAVs you look at this and say, 205 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,399 Kyrie's not going to play it at least January. Cooper 206 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,480 Flag is a rookie. We think he's ready to help 207 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,240 right away, but he's also a rookie, so you kind 208 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,919 of want to give him time and space to see 209 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,080 what he is and what he can do. If you 210 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,600 consider next year a semi gap year, would it be 211 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,039 worth it for the match to say opt in, we 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,360 will give you this number now, like at forty three, 213 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,519 and then would you sign a three year ninety million 214 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,519 dollars engine So it's sort of ninety plus the forty 215 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:05,200 three that ends up being for four years and one 216 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,960 hundred and thirty four million, which is kind of close 217 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,279 to the number that you threw out or you were 218 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,240 saying three years, is it three years and one hundred 219 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,360 million after that? So that what you've done then is 220 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,960 lowered his average annual value at a time when you should, 221 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,440 in theory be more aggressive, because one, you kind of 222 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,600 have to be better since you're picking twenty twenty seven 223 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,399 goes to Charlotte. But also just I'm just very it's 224 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,919 not just the Kyrie Irving injuries that Okay, Cooper Flag 225 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,200 is now the central part of your team, and what 226 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,240 is he supposed to look like or do in year one? 227 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,080 I know Anthony Davis is there, I know the supporting 228 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,639 cast is fairly deep, but I wonder if they end 229 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,159 up viewing this as sort of a miniature gap season 230 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,720 to explore the Cooper Flag space and then that would 231 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,639 be the impetus for But we'll extend Kyrie or we'll 232 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,799 keep his number high in year one of this current 233 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,559 deal so that it starts to lower as there will 234 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,639 be under more pressure and better position to add talent. 235 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the way that Dallas has behaved, I 236 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:04,399 don't they don't feel like a gap year team. 237 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:06,279 Speaker 1: To me and the games is just how does Antony 238 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,159 Davis feel about a gap year when he's not injured? 239 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:08,679 At least? 240 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: You right, and like we I I doesn't it feel 241 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,159 like do you think it's more likely that as okay 242 00:11:17,159 --> 00:11:19,440 gap year? On one hand, other hand, is you go 243 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,600 swing a deal for Drew Holliday or some other player 244 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,200 of that ILK giving up definitely a center since you've 245 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,480 got plenty of front court options now and PJ. Washing 246 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:32,399 we've talked about you, You've mentioned Gafford and Washington. Is 247 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,399 the core of a Drew Holiday trade like doesn't? Do 248 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,960 you think that scenario is more likely where you're adding 249 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:42,840 like a third veteran, like high end player. Well, your 250 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:45,000 miles may vary on the current version of Holiday, but 251 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:48,360 someone like that to go with Ad to be ready 252 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,200 in a over you know, next next year, for Kyrie 253 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,080 to be back and then flags a year better and 254 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,799 that's your that's your like core four and you maybe 255 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:57,639 get a year or two out of that before age 256 00:11:57,879 --> 00:11:59,879 starts to get the the older guys. 257 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,279 Speaker 1: I do think that would be more I'm not saying obviously, 258 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,039 we're not saying that specific deal, but if you're asking 259 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:07,159 me whether the MAVs would go through a gap year 260 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,799 versus are they gonna consolidate and try and land somebody, 261 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,679 I think the latter is more likely, And I think 262 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,039 that kind of touches upon their biggest need, which is 263 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,759 it's another ball handler, because they don't I mean, would 264 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:23,320 you could say Cooper Flag could be one, Like, you 265 00:12:23,399 --> 00:12:27,000 need another primary ball handler, and preferably it's a player 266 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,519 who can also play with Kyrie because he will come back. 267 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,600 And I know Kyrie could play off anybody, but you 268 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:34,200 want someone who will be strong. I know Luca wasn't 269 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,240 strong defensively, but if they're not gonna have great size, 270 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,919 it'll be like this six foot eight inch point guard. 271 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:42,039 You want them to be someone like Jew Holliday who 272 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,600 is fine playing off the ball and can be a 273 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:47,840 defensive monster still. And that's like, you know, getting away 274 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:49,559 from I know they've been a team that a lot 275 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,200 of people said, like Derek White would make so much 276 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,200 sense for them, and I don't disagree. I just don't 277 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,919 know if they have the asset firepower to go in 278 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,039 there and do it. Because they could trade up to 279 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:00,799 three first round picks this year. One of those is 280 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:04,120 Cooper Flag, so the Lakers twenty twenty nine and then 281 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:06,879 Dallas's own twenty thirty one or twenty thirty two. I 282 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:09,799 don't think that's enough, Like the bones of that as 283 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,000 a deal, I think you're setting your sites lower than 284 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,200 Derek White, right, Like, I don't know that does that 285 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,600 get you Derek White. I mean, if it's PJ. Washington, 286 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,120 like you're you would have to get into third team 287 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:22,200 because I'm besueing Boston wants to cut off money there. 288 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,519 But if it's PJ. Washington and two first for Derek White, 289 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:26,080 and I don't think that's getting it done. 290 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,639 Speaker 2: No, I think you're probably right about that. I think 291 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,399 that gets the holiday would just be easier to get 292 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:35,200 I don't think you're getting White with that package unless 293 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,919 and the Maps can't do this. You could send back 294 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,120 like somehow way less money and it's like waveable or 295 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,879 expires or whatever, and that's a huge value to the 296 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:47,039 Celtics who are going to try to get cheaper. But 297 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:50,080 failing that, I just think there will be way better 298 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,399 offers for Derek White than what Dallas can put on 299 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,480 the table. I think I. 300 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Would agree, maybe not even way because those picks are 301 00:13:57,399 --> 00:13:59,279 pretty far out, but I would agree with you that 302 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,559 I think there would be better offers. I don't know 303 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:04,559 that there's like a lot of other names that would 304 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,639 bring to mind here, and like, yeah, you could bring 305 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,879 Spencer Dinwidie back, or if you wanted to look at oh, 306 00:14:08,919 --> 00:14:12,039 could they sign a Malcolm Brogden as a stop gap, 307 00:14:12,039 --> 00:14:16,080 but also maybe someone who could play alongside Kyrie when 308 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,320 he's back. But like, I don't like when you start 309 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,120 to go through the list of available trade targets, and 310 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,639 certainly when looking at the free agents, it's all right, like, ok, 311 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,919 Dennis Shrewder, like maybe that would work for a little bit, 312 00:14:26,039 --> 00:14:28,120 but like there's no one that like sort of pops 313 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,519 to me, is, oh, that would make sense for them 314 00:14:29,559 --> 00:14:31,799 to see if they could. Because look, the other part 315 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:34,080 of the Cooper Flag thing is you already mentioned that 316 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,879 Daniel Gaffer going to the final year of his deal, 317 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:38,960 he's extension eligible, but he's also expendable because you're Derek 318 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:43,440 Lively and Anthony Davis with Cooper flaggets, does that PJ. 319 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,080 Washington in August, I think you could sign an extension 320 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,480 for four years eighty nine point two million dollars. If 321 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:50,639 you're Dallas, do you offer that or are you trying 322 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:52,679 to use his expiring money in a trade because it's oh, 323 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,440 between him and Anthony Davis and we have Nagee Marshall too, 324 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:58,240 is he somewhat expendable and maybe someone who has a 325 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,159 little bit of standalone valu value so that we could 326 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:02,799 move him as part of a trade. You know, you 327 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,840 threw out Drew Holliday. I just I'm trying to figure 328 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,519 out like another name that would just sort of make 329 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,639 sense here where it's okay, this really fits what they 330 00:15:08,679 --> 00:15:10,799 need now, but then it's also will continue to fit 331 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,320 like the roster once Kyrie Irving is back. 332 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: I think like just keeping Washington at that rate kind 333 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,240 of makes more makes more sense, right, because you do 334 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,120 need a guy like that to to sort of like 335 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,639 fit in between what you've got up front with Davis 336 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,600 and Flag and well, I don't know. Yeah, that that 337 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:29,919 raises the question of like, well, what position is Davis 338 00:15:29,919 --> 00:15:32,919 gonna play and Flag? Because then if like with PJ, 339 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,919 Washington has to be your three or you're like a 340 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,279 two kind of like a giant two in your best line. 341 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,279 Speaker 1: Boys line up with people? 342 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, in that point guard, I mean, I don't know. 343 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,200 I kind of as I talk it out, I don't 344 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,039 hate the I think Washington can guard a lot of 345 00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:52,000 two is probably, but like that that's just a weird configuration. 346 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,200 Where are we on? This is a more global question, 347 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,960 someone like we'll just use Washington? Is he he's more 348 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:01,320 valuable if you do sign him to that extension as 349 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,840 opposed to trying to trade him as expiring salary unless 350 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,279 you find just unless it's a team that just desperately 351 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,080 needs salary relief, right, Like, it still is the case 352 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 that adding years and dollars to somebody makes them a 353 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,919 better trade candidate unless you go overboard, right I think, especially. 354 00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: Because at four years and ninety, what is the average 355 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,039 annual value of twenty two point five that's a yeah, 356 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:24,200 that's solid number for him. That's like what twelve percent 357 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,360 of the salary cap or the moving forward. 358 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the expire the expiring salary angle would 359 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,559 have to be like, it's just a way bigger number 360 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,039 than what he's making for them to have the discussion 361 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,000 of is the more valuable expiring and he would have 362 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:37,759 to be a worse player too, probably. 363 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: Do you do you sign any value to Okay, let's 364 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,679 say they can't get like maybe it's just we'll bring 365 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:45,679 Spencer Dinwide back and we'll try to fill some of 366 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,039 the ball handling, like just on the fly as you go. Maybe, 367 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:50,840 like again, Cooper Flagg could do a lot of that, 368 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,000 and that would be a great way to kind of 369 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:54,600 test the depths of what he's able to do. So 370 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:56,879 if you can't get someone who you think can run 371 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:00,960 the show in like for longer stretches of time, does 372 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,440 acquiring more bankable shooting help offset that at all? To 373 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,799 where should they be a Cam Johnson team or should 374 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:09,759 they be trying to get in on I mean, as 375 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:11,759 of right now, they don't even have the Miniamalida offer, 376 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:13,200 but it's like a like should they be getting in 377 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:15,720 I'm like a Gary Trent junior or Moleague Beasley somehow 378 00:17:15,759 --> 00:17:18,079 we're just trying to like trying to buy low on 379 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,400 a Simoni Fontechio or like going that route, because it's 380 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,079 kind of slim pickens when you're looking at the actual 381 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,599 floor generals, especially if we're narrowing the criteria to say 382 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,920 who can also play next to Kyrie Irving. 383 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: Whicheah comes back, I would just say that I think 384 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:37,160 because of the positional stuff that's gonna be complicated with, 385 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,160 Like the three, four and five minutes are like pretty 386 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,119 well spoken for. So I do think you need shooting, 387 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:46,160 and it probably needs to be backcourt shooting, and that 388 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,640 can be a two to three like ideally that can 389 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,319 guard you know, more than one position. But if you're 390 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,680 not gonna be able to get someone that is, you know, 391 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,720 a Kyrie stand in or like a a I don't know. 392 00:17:57,799 --> 00:18:00,359 We given up on Jayden Hardy? Are we done? Are 393 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:00,680 we done? 394 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: There? 395 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 2: As a as a possibility, I feel. 396 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: Like they would be more likely to turn to Max Christie. 397 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:08,319 Speaker 2: For I forgot Max Christie's on this team. I love 398 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,799 Max Christie. Oh this team is how many you throw 399 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,160 him in? 400 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: Yark White? Deal? Maybe Max Christie into first and PG? 401 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,319 Speaker 2: You got my attention, You've definitely got my attention. Is 402 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,559 Dallas gonna win sixty games next year? I forgot about 403 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,359 Max Christie. We need to scrap this whole thing and 404 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,799 start over lead with him? 405 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: Uh? 406 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be I mean, it's just got 407 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:31,200 to be a guard. And like I guess, I I 408 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,160 don't think you get away with not adding significant playmaking 409 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,039 though even with Flag maybe being okay at that and 410 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:40,920 even with Davis, like I guess, you know, the Lakers 411 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,319 tried to use him as more of a hub for 412 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,799 a minute there. I don't think you're gonna survive offensively 413 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,240 without someone you know, making plays and running the offense 414 00:18:49,319 --> 00:18:52,640 and shooting. So yeah, that's got to be the focus. 415 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: Is there something too? And it would require you're gonna 416 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,480 need a third team. Probably well, I mean LA could 417 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,720 take back more money. I just don't know if the deal. 418 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,039 But bog Doug Bogdanovich for Daniel Gafford plus salary. I 419 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,359 guess the challenge is Dallas. So Daniel Gafford's at what 420 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:12,640 fourteen next year and Bogdanovic, Oh, butomcially at sixteen? 421 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: Oh this is sound? 422 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you just send out you would send 423 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,680 out Daniel Gafford And can you you could go super 424 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,400 small with the salary or is it can you pay 425 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,640 someone or even wo LA consider just taking on the 426 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,599 Dwight Powell four million dollars? So can you compensate Brooklyn 427 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,599 to take on the four million? Or is it do 428 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,759 you trade Omax in that deal? Like do you look 429 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:34,559 at that? Or would you consider Jaden Hardy and Gafford 430 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:36,839 for both Don Bogdanovich? Is that something? Is that too 431 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,440 much for the mass? But that might be a sort 432 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,640 of a we're not giving up any picks. Bogdanovich had 433 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,240 a rocky year last year. He was much better when 434 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,519 he went to LA. Was up and down during the playoffs, 435 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:48,119 but not a primary ball handler. You could certainly put 436 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,759 him on the ball, and he can definitely play off Kyrie, 437 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:54,200 and I think he's at this point, peak Bogdanovich is 438 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,559 more dynamic than peak Klay Thompson. 439 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: Right, Oh my god, there's yeah, there are a lot 440 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,599 of like U standing furniture that's more dynamic than Klay 441 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,319 Thompson right. 442 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: Spoken like an aggrieved Warriors. 443 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm not agreed it was the right decision to. 444 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: Let him go. 445 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: I think, like, I don't know, it's interesting, Like I 446 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:17,759 think I think you would do that if you're the MAVs, 447 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,039 even though you could make the case that Gafford is 448 00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:24,000 like just in a vacuum, maybe more valuable than Bogdanovich, 449 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,240 especially pricing in Bogdanovich's inconsistent season and the knees and 450 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,880 all that stuff, But like he immediately becomes the team's 451 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,880 best ball handler, right if he's on the MAVs. Like, 452 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,839 who am I forgetting? So you're just working, You're dealing 453 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:41,240 from a position of strength, which is your bloated front court, 454 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,160 and addressing a position of weakness, which is a backcourt 455 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,960 that just does not have a lot. So I think 456 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,519 you gotta do that, And honestly, I think the Clippers 457 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,160 might be like yeah, we would love to have like 458 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:55,319 real size behind zobots uh and that you probably can't 459 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:58,000 play them together. You definitely, Oh, oh my god, I 460 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:02,920 hope the big Yeah, now, I think I think that 461 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,039 makes sense. I like that one. But yeah, that's the 462 00:21:05,079 --> 00:21:07,160 caliber of player that you're talking about. Though, if you're 463 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,119 trying to keep the deal small and pick free, is 464 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,160 like you gamble on Bogdanovic being healthy and like starting 465 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,039 maybe like yess, that's a lot. 466 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: That's a lot. Another one I was thinking of a 467 00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:20,960 work and tractually obligated to send this player to every team? Hm, 468 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:25,160 would you do? Gafford Christie and I don't like, I 469 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,440 guess you would need the Lakers pick for Kobe White 470 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,359 and Lonzo Ball. You can send White palette of Chicago. 471 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,759 Speaker 2: Too, I think so. But then you've got the same 472 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:39,039 issue Chicago does, where it's like you can't extend White 473 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480 off that number and you're going to face on restricted 474 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:43,279 free agencies and then and then. 475 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 3: Iri is just that's that's real. 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the they have the defense of, Like Kayla 477 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:53,519 Martin still on this team, Naji Marshall, If you're keeping PJ. Washington, 478 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:57,240 Anthony Davis, Derek Lively Cooper Flag. You have the defensive 479 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,559 infrastructure to make that work. 480 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could. Your point of attack will 481 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,559 suck probably, but yeah, you've got enough behind it that 482 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:08,440 you could you could make it work. Yeah. We were like, 483 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,359 that's the first NAUSEI Marshall mentioned too, I keep forgetting 484 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,559 all these guys that Dallas has that like, I actually 485 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:14,519 really like they. 486 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,519 Speaker 1: Have a lot of good players. They do, they just 487 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,640 well because then you're still left at gaffer. I was like, 488 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,440 would you be any better off? Like if you could 489 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,519 get Kobe White while giving up Klay Thompson and you're 490 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,480 just attaching picks, like that would be the way because 491 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,200 then all of a sudden, it's, oh, we're keeping Max Christie, 492 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,759 so we have that point of attack option. Might be 493 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,440 something for them because it just feels Kyrie has to 494 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,200 get paid, Kobe White has to get paid, and there 495 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:39,359 is redundancy there even if they could play together. But 496 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,039 also it's is an offense. Shouldn't that be where you're 497 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:44,279 tripling down anyway? With the Cooper Flyer is not going 498 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,400 to be expensive for a while. Derek Wively stills two 499 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,839 years left on his rookie scale, so maybe you do 500 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,720 do that, Like is there Klay Thompson like using that 501 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:53,640 money as the anchor, and then what picks and what 502 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,839 other stuff might need to be included to make it work. 503 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 2: And then I like that a lot better too if 504 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,839 you could get Kyrie back on like a one plus 505 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,960 one or something, so you're not like, well for the 506 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,119 next because assuming you bring White back after you've traded 507 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,759 for him, which were like two hypothetical steps down the road, now, 508 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,720 like you're not locked into White and Kyrie as like 509 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:15,640 this is the backcourt for three or four years. It's 510 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,480 just it's kind of like Kyrie's there, maybe he's I mean, realistically, 511 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,160 he will not be what he was coming off in 512 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,160 ACL at this age, Like you go another guaranteed year 513 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,400 with him and then you're back to the player option. 514 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,599 Maybe maybe not. I think all of that makes more 515 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:34,240 sense if you're not fully in on Kyrie, you know, 516 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,200 for the next four years or whatever. 517 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,839 Speaker 1: One thing that could be interesting, and I think it 518 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:42,000 would require the Pistons making another move or deciding that hey, 519 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,160 they're not their guy. If you are looking for a 520 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,680 stop gap, like this could be a semi interesting Jade 521 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,319 and Ivy team Like this sort of a second draft guy. 522 00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I like Jade and Ivy in that 523 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:54,839 capacity on a lot of teams. I think it would 524 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,359 really stress test a lot of the stuff. We're not 525 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,759 sure Ivy's good. You know, if you put him in 526 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:04,319 that in like a real like on the ball a 527 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,960 lot roll withah with me, Yeah, I mean. 528 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: That would be that would be tough. But yeah, you 529 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:11,680 he might. 530 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: He's someone that the again, the highs and the flashes 531 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,839 and stuff are like, yeah, it might be worth worth 532 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:18,759 a flyer for sure. 533 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:21,759 Speaker 1: The I think this person that it's another Celtic. We're 534 00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:25,079 gonna trade all the Celtics. I think this contract is 535 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,680 too valuable to Boston given where they're headed. But Peyton 536 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,079 Pritchard here would make a ton of sense, especially in 537 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,960 the interim with that, and that's someone who could also 538 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,519 defend as well. 539 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I don't mind him next to Kyrie 540 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,039 for that reason. Yeah, that's interesting. That gets you. I 541 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:45,640 mean that like super charges, you're you're shooting right, because 542 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,920 like he's he's one of the guys that's pulling up 543 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,720 from super deep creating a bunch of space. That that's 544 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,640 a fun one if you're if you're Boston, though, like 545 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:57,359 Pritchard Pritchard. I feel like, is this is someone you 546 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,599 include in with another of your higher salar guys to 547 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,200 really bring something back. But I don't know, maybe not. 548 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,559 Maybe they'll just take maybe. 549 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,039 Speaker 1: Drew Holliday, Peyton Pritchard, construction that's involved a little bit here, 550 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,160 Gafford and Washington, and then I don't know what the 551 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,200 other money is, Like you're giving up Christy. Can you 552 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,720 get Kayleb Martin to Brooklyn instead? That would be Then 553 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,079 all of a sudden, it's Drew Holiday, Kyrie Irving and 554 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,960 Peyton Bridge, a lot of former Celtics in all former 555 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,200 Celtics in Metrio at that. 556 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: Not the worst approach considering how good Boston's been for 557 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,039 like ten years, right, take all those guys. 558 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:28,839 Speaker 1: I think of all the names that I've thrown out there, 559 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,759 and we do this all off the cuff. I've decided 560 00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:32,240 this year not to come in with targets like we 561 00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,079 prep with the cap situations. We know all that, But 562 00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:35,200 I was like, let me just come in and throw 563 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,759 some names. I think Peyton Pritchard is my favorite one. 564 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,240 I just don't know what you give up to get him. 565 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,559 If you're taking back Drew Holiday maybe that's considered part 566 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:45,200 of the compensation, but yeah, you definitely need to rope 567 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,480 in other teams. And you're talking about taking back forty 568 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:53,240 million dollars, So that's like like Clay and PJ doesn't 569 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,000 even get you there. 570 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,079 Speaker 2: If you're gonna have to have Gafford too, I mean 571 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,880 you could. So if you end up, if you're Dallas 572 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,920 and you've ended up with Pritchard and Holiday, you have 573 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,039 Irving recovering, you still have Christie in in this hypothetical, 574 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:13,799 and probably Marshall you're probably out, Washington, Thompson, Gafford, you 575 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,599 still have Lively flag age. This team is good. 576 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they get. 577 00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: If they get pritchered in a Holiday, which is like 578 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:23,640 I don't know, there's a two percent chance that happens, 579 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,440 just because we're spitballing, Like I think they would win 580 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,240 a lot of games like this. They have a lot 581 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:33,200 I don't know what, just as you can't trade Luca 582 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,160 and then potentially win like like fifty plus sixty games. 583 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,960 That seems unreasonable. But Dallas has I think the takeaway 584 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,359 here is Dallas has a lot of movable like salary 585 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,759 that gives it quite a bit more flexibility than maybe 586 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,079 we than I thought like at first, Blush. 587 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,519 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. And I have two final 588 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:57,559 quick questions, the Kevin Durant stuff, if you can do 589 00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:59,799 without getting Cooper Flag and so now you're step laddering 590 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:03,039 your way with what four contracts? And then are the 591 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:05,920 Suns taking like just the Lakers pick or maybe just 592 00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:08,599 your distant pick if you're Dallas or you considering that 593 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,599 if you can, if you can say hey, we're gonna 594 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,480 sit here and end up with Derek Lively, Anthony Davis, 595 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,880 Cooper Flag, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving at some point, 596 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,079 maybe not until February, or is that you you know, 597 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,599 you say it's gutting too much of their depth, but 598 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,400 look at all the like name, all the support Clay 599 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,519 Naji Marshall, PJ. Washington, Daniel Gafford, Kayla Martin, Max Christi. 600 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,960 They go six deep of just like, oh, those guys 601 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,720 would be in a playoff rotation, right Yeah? No, I. 602 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know why I feel differently 603 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,200 about Pritchard and Holiday, like liking that versus not liking Duran. 604 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,759 Speaker 1: I prefer that route just because it's more bodies. 605 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: It's more bodies, and it's the positions that you actually need, 606 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,119 Whereas if you're gonna add another guy who can really 607 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,119 only play the four or the five, at this point, 608 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,400 it's like, well, at some point you're just not You 609 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,400 just can't play all your best players, and that's like 610 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,599 a diminishing return situation. I I don't think I want 611 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,640 to be in the Durant business. If I'm Dallas, I don't. 612 00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: Know it's three mega salaries unless kyriees are gonna drop 613 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,519 precipitously after next year, or maybe Kevin Durant his next contract. 614 00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,359 Maybe that's lower than we expect. I agree with you. 615 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,039 So my final question is they have a lot of options, 616 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,559 but we're kind of unsure of their direction. How much 617 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,519 of a priority do you think they won't be a 618 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,839 second Apron team? They're getting out of that, But how 619 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,480 much of a priority do you think it'll be to 620 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,880 continue to trim just like your tax bill in general. 621 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,200 So as the numbers that I threw out there is 622 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960 they're eighteen million dollars above the tax I think I'd 623 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,599 be moderately surprised, but not even close to shocked if 624 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,000 it was they tried to do something that just saved them. 625 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,079 Can you send Gafford? He makes more than the mid level, 626 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,240 so that gets a little tricky. But can you just 627 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,240 send Gafford somewhere for minimum money back and then maybe 628 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:53,079 lop off another middle rung salary and duct attacks that way? 629 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,720 Is it? Do you reevaluate at the trade deadline where 630 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:57,319 that would be harder to do, but you have until 631 00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:58,599 the end of the year to duck the tax. I 632 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920 just think this team is deep and it can be good. 633 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,039 But unless they're gonna make like kind of an all 634 00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:06,480 in trade, which neither of us would indoors. Yeah, I 635 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,519 don't like, they're not a team you want to be 636 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,160 into the tax for right. 637 00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: I don't think so. And my first thought was gonna be, well, 638 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,519 maybe you just wait till the deadline, like we talk 639 00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,839 about all this stuff like it has to happen before 640 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:22,640 the season opener or whatever. But like if the if 641 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,960 the goal is so, I would say, if they're gonna 642 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,240 do that, if they're gonna say like, let's just get 643 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:29,599 let's let's take the repeater stuff out of the equation, 644 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,519 let's get under the tax, you you gotta do that now, 645 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,960 because you can't assume Brooklyn's gonna have you know, tens 646 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,400 of millions of dollars of space to facilitate a dump 647 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,599 like that in February. So I think we'll understand their 648 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,920 feelings on the tax soon, because you can't wait and 649 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,359 expect to really do that as effectively get out of 650 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,599 the tax. I mean, how concerned should they be? I 651 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,880 mean that ties into just a much bigger question of like, 652 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000 we know what they say their timeline is, but like, realistically, 653 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,720 are you gonna be a really expensive contender with Davis 654 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,960 and a healthy Kyrie and someone else you bring in 655 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,920 over the next half decade or are you eventually going 656 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000 to realize you need to just reorient this thing around 657 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,279 flag and at which point, like you'll probably be under 658 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:19,960 the tax anyway, you know. So I think it should matter, 659 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,000 but only if they're going the route of like we're 660 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,039 kind of stripping down and doing a bigger reset with 661 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,839 a Davis trade, for example. But because I don't think 662 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:29,839 they'll do that. I also don't think they're going to 663 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,480 really go nuts about trimming money just. 664 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Because anything else on these mavericks are you ready takes 665 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,599 out of here? 666 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,039 Speaker 2: Just that they're way better than we thought they were 667 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:39,720 since having talked a lot of town. 668 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 3: They're bad. 669 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: They're just in such a weird spot. It's it's the 670 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:47,720 word is. It's weird. It's awkward. And I do think 671 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,240 it's fair to say their front office does not deserve 672 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,079 the benefit of doubt. 673 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think it's gonna be time before the. 674 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: Front office in Executive of the year until like leading 675 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:00,680 could trade too. 676 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, right up until something happened. So yeah, yeah, 677 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,759 So that was that was an interesting one. Thanks everybody 678 00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,079 for listening, for watching. As Dan mentioned at the top, uh, 679 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,160 make sure you're subscribed wherever you're listening to this, make 680 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200 sure you're giving us a positive give us a five 681 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,039 star review. Uh, leave comments on the on our YouTube videos. 682 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,920 Help the algorithm love us back. 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