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<v Speaker 1>In the victim's own words, I woke up to him

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<v Speaker 1>dragging me by the ankles through this field, and he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped my legs. I heard him walk off, and heard

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<v Speaker 1>his car door slam and him drive away. I realized

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't scream, and I couldn't figure out why. I

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<v Speaker 1>had just enough strength to throw my right hand on

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<v Speaker 1>top of my neck, and that's when I felt this

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<v Speaker 1>gaping wound. And I looked at my hand and it

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<v Speaker 1>was full of blood. I was eight years old. I

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<v Speaker 1>was just left to die in a field. I'm Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ben. And this is Wicked and Grim, a true

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<v Speaker 1>crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, the following podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's grabbing semial that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back.

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<v Speaker 3>We are, and it's guess what.

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<v Speaker 1>The last episode before Christmas it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so merry Christmas, happy Holidays, happy Honkah.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you choose to celebrate. If you don't swish, you will.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't celebrate shit, happy Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy, We don't celebrate shit. There you go, yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>happy whatever, happy happy happy Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>In the words of Ren and Stimpy, happy happy joy joy.

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<v Speaker 3>There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We over here celebrate Christmas, so we will be doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Merry Christmas to everyone that celebrates that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hopefully you guys are all ready for the holidays,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's just downtime or not. Hopefully you're not trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get to things done last minute. I know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people are.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, I am not ready for the holidays. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to admit that. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>A big conversation I had at work today with a

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<v Speaker 3>few people was how crazy people are. Oh literally, not

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<v Speaker 3>like running red lights, cutting people off, just short tempers,

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<v Speaker 3>getting angry. I hate that party because it live holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>The saying is it's the most wonderful time of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>But I actually don't agree with it, no at all. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for many reasons, this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the time people get most depressed. Yeah, it's a terrible,

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<v Speaker 3>terrible season for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like our Christmas is going to be fairly chill,

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<v Speaker 1>like we don't have a lot of things going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm kind of into that. Yeah, but I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>worried I'm not going to get my work finished in time,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see, but will you will? But you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be waiting for me after the holidays. Fair enough,

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go, and do you know what? What

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<v Speaker 1>we've got patrons. We do. We always have patrons to

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<v Speaker 1>thing because people are just fricking awesome. We were literally

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<v Speaker 1>like people suck and now like people are awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>People suck except you guys. You're different.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're different.

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<v Speaker 3>You're all amazing. Trust us. You know what we mean

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<v Speaker 3>when we say people suck, we mean the general population.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are in general pop. You guys are cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But we had some people sign up for Patreon this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Who did we have?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I am going to butcher names because I swear

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<v Speaker 3>people make it harder on us each time, on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I wonder, but I'll do my best.

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<v Speaker 3>We had Tamara, Nicole O, Dreene Manassas, Nice, Morland Reedle awesome,

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<v Speaker 3>Leanne Woodruff wonderful, and Ashes Love all sign up for

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<v Speaker 3>Patreon this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Thank you so much. We actually super appreciate that

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<v Speaker 1>we do.

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<v Speaker 3>And even if you don't head over to Patreon sign

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<v Speaker 3>up for whatever reason, even if you just don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to money wise, we don't care. You're here and we

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate the shit out of that too. Sure, So thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we just had one more thing we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to mention.

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<v Speaker 3>We also wanted to thank people for our YouTube. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we posted that Casey Anthony video on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>It's doing well, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>And we got like I think, as of right now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like six point four thousand views. Yeah, so six

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred views right now, and it's only been up

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<v Speaker 3>for like seven days. So that's awesome considering we only

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<v Speaker 3>have five videos on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, I'm pleasantly surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to start posting more on there, I think

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<v Speaker 3>so we do. So, Yeah, thank you guys so much

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<v Speaker 3>for showing us. That's that love over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you haven't watched yet, go watch.

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<v Speaker 3>It links down below.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll see our lovely faces.

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<v Speaker 3>You will. If you don't know what we look like. Surprise,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a beard. Yeah, and you can go see it.

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<v Speaker 1>People lots time, we've got it. People don't really necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>think we look like what we sound and I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if that's a compliment or an insult.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. So although there was a comment on

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<v Speaker 3>our video you can tell that they're Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah shit, we don't hide that at all. Fucking

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<v Speaker 1>e rights, bud, I people can know I'm Canadian. Like

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute, oh fuck yeah, but like literally thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds she's Canadian fucking rites. Anyway. Wow, So today we.

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<v Speaker 3>Have no chick, but I am drinking whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>You are, actually, so today we're sharing. We will be

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<v Speaker 1>sharing Jennifer Schwitt's story. Now trigger warning. As I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>the intro, this story does involve a little girl who

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<v Speaker 1>is eight years old, which is real shitty.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to be nice and tell you right off the

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<v Speaker 1>bat that this is a survivor story, so you may

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<v Speaker 1>want to stick around to find out how incredible this

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<v Speaker 1>little eight year old just is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I know this is not going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>fun one, but I'm also very anxious because I want

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<v Speaker 3>to hear the story and I'm super pumped that it

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<v Speaker 3>is a survivor story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, see, like if it was an eight year

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<v Speaker 1>old involved and it wasn't a survivor story, it would

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<v Speaker 1>just be shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right Yeah, Like, I know we're going to go through

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<v Speaker 3>some depressing shit here. Oh yeah, but I know the

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<v Speaker 3>light at the end of the tunnel, so I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward to getting to that light part, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So in August ninth, nineteen ninety, in Dickinson Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Dick Dickinson. Like Charles Dickinson, Jennifer Schewett was home with

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, Elaine. Elaine was a single mom, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was doing everything she could to make sure that Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>had a good childhood and didn't miss for anything. And Jennifer,

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<v Speaker 1>even though at that very young age, understood what her

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<v Speaker 1>to give her, which I'm like, that's impressive, that is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded as though they had like a really good relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>which I loved, love it. In one article I actually read,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like they were each other's everything, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so cute, so cute. That is so Jennifer, like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of children, especially at that age, was afraid of

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<v Speaker 3>I can't blame her.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm kind of afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I still am. I Okay, I'm going to admit something here.

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<v Speaker 3>Mirrors in the dark. Yeah you read that fuck out

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<v Speaker 3>of me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you hate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So when I go to the bathroom in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of night, that light is getting switched on, or

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<v Speaker 3>I do not make eye contact with the mirror. I

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<v Speaker 3>like talk to myself my head like it's okay, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay. And I walked by it really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even outside, like in the dark when I

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<v Speaker 1>the house, like I almost to seel like running like shit, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mean, it takes away one of your five senses.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, right, you can't see very well.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's this saying that I heard not too long ago. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>it's that you're not afraid to be alone in the dark.

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<v Speaker 3>It's that you're afraid you're not alone in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's it. Yeah, that's terrifying, isn't it. Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fucking horrifying. And that nails it.

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<v Speaker 1>It does, and I hate that. Oh gosh, Now I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how I'm gonna get through this. Okay. So,

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<v Speaker 1>being that Jennifer was going through this phase, she would

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<v Speaker 1>often sleep with her mom in her mom's bed, but

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<v Speaker 1>this particular night, Jennifer was particularly restless, and since Elaine

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<v Speaker 1>had an early shift at work the next day, she

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to make sure that she had had a

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<v Speaker 1>good night's rest, so she asked Jennifer if she could

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<v Speaker 1>said that she would, adding because I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I know, way to tug at the heart strings.

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<v Speaker 1>She is like a little sweetheart, and I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of rare at that age to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>be showing your parents like appreciation. So it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>just shows like what an absolute gem she is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so. And I don't know if i'd say

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<v Speaker 3>it's rare, Like I think a lot of younger kids

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<v Speaker 3>do show that love and appreciation. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 3>how they show it, to be able to show it

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<v Speaker 3>on the level that adults generally communicate it, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that that's pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost just seems like she understands what her mom

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<v Speaker 1>is like. I don't know if sacrificing is the right word,

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<v Speaker 1>but doing for her, yeah, which is really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>She has that compassion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Elaine kissed her daughter good night, and Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>headed to her room, where she turned on her lamp,

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<v Speaker 1>which was shaped like a light bulb that she just

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<v Speaker 1>loved so much because it lit up her entire room

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<v Speaker 1>and she didn't have to be afraid of the dark

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The lamp itself was shaped like a big ass light bulb.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it was like a light bulb and a

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<v Speaker 3>light bulb. Okay, Yeah, I thought it was weird that

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<v Speaker 3>you described that the light was shaped like light bulb.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was like I have a picture in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a lamp that was shaped like a

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<v Speaker 1>light bulb and it was super bright.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I got you now. Yeah, it took me a second,

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<v Speaker 3>so I had to clarify.

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<v Speaker 1>So after spending some time reading, Jennifer was able to

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<v Speaker 1>fall asleep. Now fast forward to the following morning, as

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<v Speaker 1>Elaine was waking up for the day. Within minutes, she

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<v Speaker 1>realized that something was horribly wrong. She hadn't heard anything

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<v Speaker 1>unusual during the night, nothing that woke her up, but

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<v Speaker 1>when she went into Jennifer's room to check on her,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no Jennifer. Her bed was empty, and her

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom window was wide open. Fuck, Like, that is not

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<v Speaker 1>something a parent would ever want.

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<v Speaker 3>Any parent, that would be your Whether it's sea, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's where you're immediately going.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're like no, because whether they were stolen or

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<v Speaker 1>like the kid just kind of like snuck out somehow

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<v Speaker 1>or got out, Like, that's fucking terrifying. So Elaine immediately

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<v Speaker 1>contacted the police, but by then some of the worst

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<v Speaker 1>things imaginable had already happened to her daughter. Jennifer had

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer had no idea who this man was or what

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<v Speaker 1>at this time. The man realized Jennifer had woken and

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<v Speaker 1>before she could even make a noise. As they approached

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<v Speaker 1>But Jennifer wasn't going to make things easy for him.

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<v Speaker 1>shared with her that he was actually an undercover police

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<v Speaker 1>could come and pick her up again. Bullshit, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even make any sense. But like, she's a little eight

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, he's throwing out like you can trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>Any little kid who are that?

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<v Speaker 1>Who can they trust the police?

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<v Speaker 3>They trust the police, right, Yeah, So that's what he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing right right there. He's trying to gain her trust

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<v Speaker 3>with the first person a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Could so disturbing. And I wonder if even like had

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<v Speaker 1>So he was just throwing out shit to try and

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<v Speaker 3>I guess probably. I bet you if he planned it,

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<v Speaker 3>he would have had like a fake badge or something,

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<v Speaker 3>because little kids, no cops had their back.

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<v Speaker 1>Actress and she'll ask about this here. So so Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>believed him, at least enough that she stopped fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually he pulled into a dark parking lot outside

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<v Speaker 1>her elementary school and killed the engine of his car.

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<v Speaker 1>He told her that this was the place where her

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<v Speaker 1>should be afraid or just believe him. She knew that

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<v Speaker 1>undercover police officers didn't wear uniforms, but she had no

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<v Speaker 1>idea why an undercover police officer would take her from

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<v Speaker 1>her room in the middle of the night, and she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if she believed that an officer could while

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the job, and that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>She's definitely bright if she's thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>She's literally eight yeah, like that's I don't know, she

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<v Speaker 1>blows me away like that's just the icing. Well not,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just like the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, So she's really like analyzing this, like yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Esse, you wait, dude. So Jennifer pushed him a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more, asking him to prove that he was really

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer, but the man only told her that

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<v Speaker 1>his name was Dennis. That was enough for Jennifer for

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<v Speaker 1>was what he said he was. She asked him where

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<v Speaker 1>his gun and his badge were, and Dennis told her

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<v Speaker 1>that they were in the back seat of his car

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<v Speaker 1>and she could actually see them if she knelt on

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<v Speaker 1>the seat beside him and had a look. Jennifer still

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know if she believed him, but she wanted answers,

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing his police badge would at least tell her

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<v Speaker 1>if he was a real policeman or not. Right, So

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<v Speaker 1>she got back in the car and looked at the

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<v Speaker 1>back seat. But that was when Dennis showed his real

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<v Speaker 1>face and Jennifer got the answer she was dreading the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, his real face?

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<v Speaker 1>Was he like true colors?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So Dennis then drove just a few blocks away.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dead and gravel rolled rode, and he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled off into an over grown field. Jennifer, at this

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<v Speaker 1>point was panicking. Dennis then had a knife, held a

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<v Speaker 1>knife to Jennifer's throat and said, am I scaring you?

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<v Speaker 1>Little girl? Am I scaring you?

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's enough to give you goosebumb say? He attacked

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer both physically and sexually. He choked her, tried to

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<v Speaker 1>break her neck, viciously raped her, slit her throat open,

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<v Speaker 1>all before dragging her by the ankles through a field

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<v Speaker 1>and leaving her for dead.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck this guy, oh yeah, shit, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the epitome of like a nasty motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh beyond beyond like when you first started describing his

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<v Speaker 3>assault on her, like beyond disturbed and then having the

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<v Speaker 3>audacity to continue and do those things. And am I

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<v Speaker 3>scaring you little girl? Oh yeah, Like, holy fuck you are, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you're scaring her, you piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well he's getting off on it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it's very disturbing. Oh fuck, Like it's so

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing that people like this exist in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh So, once Dennis left the crime scene without being

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<v Speaker 1>caught or even seen, he was essentially getting away with

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<v Speaker 1>a truly terrible crime. He had no connections to Elaine

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<v Speaker 1>and Jennifer. He'd just seen Jennifer through her bedroom window

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<v Speaker 1>and sense an opportunity, and unfortunately for so many people,

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<v Speaker 1>his moral compass didn't lead him away from taking it.

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<v Speaker 3>So he just happened upon seeing her through a window.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it. Yeah, really, I see. I was assuming since

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<v Speaker 3>he took her specifically to her elementary, that he would

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<v Speaker 3>have seen or known well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a relatively small town. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could have been like the only elementary.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't look up or just so happened to be

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<v Speaker 3>the one nearby or whatever. Yeah, but I was thinking

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<v Speaker 3>there was something to that. But okay, coincidence then.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he'd sliced Jennifer's throat and left her body

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<v Speaker 1>in that field, he was killing the only witness to

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<v Speaker 1>his crimes, essentially guaranteeing that he would get away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that morning, as it became light outside, though by

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<v Speaker 1>just a thread, Jennifer was still holding on. Fuck yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she remembers not being able to move her body. She

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<v Speaker 1>tried to lift her head but couldn't as she went

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of consciousness every time she would come too.

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<v Speaker 1>She was in absolute disbelief that she hadn't died yet.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is coming from an eight year old girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She laid there that entire day. It was right before

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<v Speaker 1>dark when Jennifer she could hear kids playing a game

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<v Speaker 1>of tag in the field she was in when one

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<v Speaker 1>of them actually tripped over her foot and she was discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah, like just brutal kidding. Most people in the

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<v Speaker 1>community were already aware that a young girl was missing,

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<v Speaker 1>so people and law enforcement were on the lookout for

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<v Speaker 1>a child matching Jennifer's description, but I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>could have been ready to find what they found in

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<v Speaker 1>that field that day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I don't think so. No, could you imagine? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know it wasn't even touched on like

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<v Speaker 1>the kids that found her, Like how traumatizing for them? No, kidd,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Jennifer, it's like much worse her trauma, but

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<v Speaker 1>like she would not have looked well oh.

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<v Speaker 3>No, right, no, the only thing that they would have

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<v Speaker 3>is the only consolation to it is that she lived

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<v Speaker 3>through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, Okay, sorry, my head's just going a million different

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<v Speaker 3>places with this right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's very sad. So Jennifer was covered in blood,

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<v Speaker 1>her body abused and covered in what looked like a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible rash, but when first responders got to the scene

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<v Speaker 1>to start cornering it off, they were in disbelief that

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<v Speaker 1>she was still alive. She'd actually regained consciousness all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back when Dennis had dragged her across the field,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow she'd kept it together and realized that her

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<v Speaker 1>best chances of surviving this was to play dead. So

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<v Speaker 1>as he's dragging her, her throat's like slit. She's playing dead. Holy,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't make a sound. She didn't even move when

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<v Speaker 1>he dumped her body on top of a fire your

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<v Speaker 1>ant's nest, and then drove away, And those two things

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<v Speaker 1>are probably what saved her life. If Dennis believed she

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<v Speaker 1>was alive, I imagine, being the scum piece of shit

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<v Speaker 1>that he was, he would have finished the job right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And can we just talk about that for

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<v Speaker 3>a sec. Because sure, it's probably kind of obvious that

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<v Speaker 3>playing dead is your most likely survival point in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't even think many adults would think to

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<v Speaker 1>do that necessarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just assume everyone would think that. Okay, okay, just

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<v Speaker 3>for the sake of this conversation. Here, now tell me

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<v Speaker 3>you are conscious being dragged through a field.

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<v Speaker 4>In immensible pain, slit throat, terrified as an eight year old,

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<v Speaker 4>and you have the whereabouts to control your fear, your

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<v Speaker 4>pain to play dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like it's like she is one hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent like a badass of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no kidding. I can barely hold back tears if

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<v Speaker 3>I stub my toe.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Yeah, it's it's unbelievable, and it gets even

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<v Speaker 1>more unbelievable, like it really does. This case is mind

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<v Speaker 1>blowing to me. It's mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we'll continue to blow my mind though, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to so as I was saying, her

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<v Speaker 2>playing dead saved her life in my opinion, very much so.

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<v Speaker 1>And that rash that was all of her body was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a whole bunch of fire ant bites. So Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>said that whenever she started to fall asleep or lose

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness again, the fire ants would bite her and wake

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<v Speaker 1>her up. So doctors believe that those constant bites throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the night had kept her body producing adrenaline and kept

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<v Speaker 1>it from giving up from the loss of blood that

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<v Speaker 1>she was suffering from, which is like wow, yeah, wow wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if he would have just left her in a

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<v Speaker 1>spot that didn't have this atness, like she would have died. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is just mind blowing to me. But back to

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<v Speaker 1>when they found out that Jennifer was still alive in

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<v Speaker 1>the field, The investigators rushed Jennifer to the hospital, still

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<v Speaker 1>not really thinking that she was going to survive, considering

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<v Speaker 1>how much blood she'd already lost and that she'd been

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<v Speaker 1>lying in that field for about fourteen hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but Jennifer was determined not to make this easy

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<v Speaker 1>for Dennis. He'd somehow managed to miss all of her

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<v Speaker 1>major arteries he had sliced through her vocal cords. But

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<v Speaker 1>even nat wasn't enough to stop Jennifer from telling everything

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<v Speaker 1>she could remember about the man who kidnapped and assaulted her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was, of course terrified of most men, especially the

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<v Speaker 1>officers who came to speak with her and regarding her

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<v Speaker 1>room right, being that he said he was a police sir.

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<v Speaker 1>But once they gave her a pen and a pad

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<v Speaker 1>of paper, Jennifer made sure her voice was heard. She

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<v Speaker 1>told them what had happened. With her only being eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, she didn't even really understand what rape was

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<v Speaker 1>and what exactly Dennis had done to her, but the

428
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<v Speaker 1>amount of details she was able to remember is quite incredible.

429
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll start by touching on his name because I think

430
00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.519
<v Speaker 1>it shows just how determined Jennifer was to make sure

431
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.359
<v Speaker 1>that she told the police everything. Because in her notes,

432
00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer spelled his name Dennis d. N n Ees. She

433
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 1>was too young to even know how to spell his

434
00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:47.200
<v Speaker 1>name correctly, and through trial and there she managed to

435
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.799
<v Speaker 1>communicate his name with the place without being able to

436
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.960
<v Speaker 1>say a word wow, she was able to describe his

437
00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.599
<v Speaker 1>car to a t, the color, the dent on the

438
00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:00.799
<v Speaker 1>side of it, that there were beer cans in the car,

439
00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and what kind of beer it was, Holy shit, And

440
00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the brand of cigarettes he was smoking. Wow, Like she

441
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.319
<v Speaker 1>just remembered all of this. Was his name.

442
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 3>You're probably gonna touch on this. I'm sure did he

443
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:14.920
<v Speaker 3>give his real name?

444
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>He did? He did?

445
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.279
<v Speaker 3>What a fucking idiot? Good?

446
00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is good. I think regardless of that, they

447
00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>would have we'll touch on that, okay. And on the

448
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 1>top of it all, she sat down with a sketch

449
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.720
<v Speaker 1>artist and through her pen and her pieces of paper,

450
00:23:33.160 --> 00:23:36.559
<v Speaker 1>she described exactly what Dennis looked like.

451
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

452
00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like amazing.

453
00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:43.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, but I don't know if I sat down

454
00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:44.799
<v Speaker 3>with a sketch artist tomorrow, I don't know if I'd

455
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 3>be able to describe them what you look like. I've

456
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.640
<v Speaker 3>been married to you for over a decade.

457
00:23:49.599 --> 00:23:54.599
<v Speaker 1>I know. Like, honestly, it's just it's kind of it's unbelievable.

458
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know how to describe it. But how

459
00:23:56.559 --> 00:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>like she's eight years old.

460
00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 3>That's incredible, like absolutely incredible. There's no words that can

461
00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 3>describe how someone can have that consciousness to put all

462
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 3>that together. In a situation like.

463
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>That, when you're scared to death at.

464
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:15.039
<v Speaker 3>The age of eight, Yeah, like, holy fuck, I.

465
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Know, I know, I'm blown away. So the police and

466
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 1>the media made sure that the sketch of Dennis was

467
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>put up everywhere, but unfortunately, the case still went cold.

468
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh dang.

469
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Really, Jennifer had to live with the terror of knowing

470
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that Dennis was still out there somewhere, and if he

471
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:38.240
<v Speaker 1>came for her again, she wouldn't even have a voice

472
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to scream with. But that eight year old girl was

473
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.519
<v Speaker 1>determined to make sure that Dennis got what was coming

474
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to him. One day, when she was still in her

475
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>hospital room, Jennifer cleared her throat and she managed to

476
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>make a sound.

477
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

478
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Her doctors were amazed. Dennis had sliced all the

479
00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 1>way through her vocal cords, and her doctors didn't think

480
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>there was any way that they would ever heal again,

481
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.759
<v Speaker 1>but Jennifer once again proved them wrong.

482
00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Fucking go Jennifer, I.

483
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Know she's badass. Slowly but surely, she kept working at it,

484
00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and she got her voice back, And in her own words,

485
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>she likes to think that she hasn't stopped talking since,

486
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 1>which is a good thing. Because she'd have to stay

487
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 1>stronger than most people ever have to be for another

488
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:39.960
<v Speaker 1>eighteen years. That was until a new detective, Tim Chromy,

489
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 1>took over her case and told her that he was

490
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 1>determined to make sure that the man who did this

491
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to her was finally brought to.

492
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Justice eighteen years later.

493
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Teen years later. Holy fuck, which is awesome.

494
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.599
<v Speaker 3>I assume this guy was going to get caught within months.

495
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, Wow, okay, no, So he began the huge task

496
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.519
<v Speaker 1>of trying to piece all of the evidence together after

497
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>almost two decades of no breaks in the case. But

498
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in that time, DNA technology had come along in leaps

499
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 1>and bounds, and something happened that blew this case wide open.

500
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Block.

501
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so at the crime scene there was pieces of

502
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:31.799
<v Speaker 1>clothing left behind. I think there was some of Jennifer's underwear,

503
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like a T shirt his the assholes underwear and his

504
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.519
<v Speaker 1>shirt or something. So using some of the clothing that

505
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 1>had been found in that field, the investigators were able

506
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to extract a sample of her attackers DNA. They sent

507
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 1>it away and it took some time, like I think

508
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>about a year to get results. Being that this was

509
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>an old case, it wasn't really like top priority, right,

510
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>But eventually they got a hit from the database. That

511
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 1>hit came back from a man, Dennis Earl Bradford. He

512
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 1>was convicted in nineteen ninety seven for kidnapping in Hot Springs, Arkansas,

513
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and sexually assaulted a woman he met at one of

514
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the local bars. He was sent to prison, and it

515
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.279
<v Speaker 1>was from the sexual assault that his DNA was put

516
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>into the national database. At this time, however, Dennis was

517
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>living a somewhat normal life in Arkansas. He was allegedly

518
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>living with his wife and three adult step sons and

519
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 1>was a welder. I hate that.

520
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 3>That just like disturbs me that he was a welder.

521
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you was a welder? That he's just like

522
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>living a fucking normal life. And even without what he

523
00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>did to Jennifer the other shit that he had done. Oh,

524
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:53.960
<v Speaker 1>how the fuck is he just living a normal life?

525
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Imagine being his wife and his being part of his

526
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 3>family and then finding out this shit. Yeah, like I

527
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 3>met you within piece.

528
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Of they have known any of it.

529
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 3>I doubt it, highly doubt it.

530
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the local police department pulled Dennis over on

531
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a traffic stop and arrested him on a warrant. Now

532
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have a glimpse into how the questioning

533
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>of Dennis went. It was conducted by Detective Tim Cromi

534
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 1>and FBI Special Agent Richard Renninson. So agent said, you

535
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.559
<v Speaker 1>ever heard the name Jennifer Shwitt. Dennis said yes. He

536
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>told them that he remembered the story and seeing signs

537
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:46.599
<v Speaker 1>back in the Dickinson Dickinson area. I just wrote, Dickinson,

538
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck does that even mean? That's the town

539
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>I know, but I should have said, like, I don't

540
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.559
<v Speaker 1>know I word. So he had seen signs back in

541
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>the town of Dickinson about her being abducted, and he

542
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:01.279
<v Speaker 1>said that he prayed for her.

543
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he fucking did.

544
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>So the agent then said, did you ever have occasion

545
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to come in contact with her? And he said yes.

546
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>He then asked tell me about it, and Dennis said no,

547
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And apparently the way he said no was enough to

548
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>send chills up your spine, like very just no, like

549
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 1>no emotion kind of thing.

550
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised he admitted anything.

551
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I know that even knew the name.

552
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

553
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So the detective then said, you don't want to

554
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and Dennis said no. The detective said,

555
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 1>is there a reason why. Dennis said, you did your homework.

556
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>The agent you're right, we did do our homework. And

557
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>then the agent said, if you're remorseful about this, people

558
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.799
<v Speaker 1>need to hear that. And the detective said, there's two

559
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sides to every story. It was explained to Dennis that

560
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 1>he needs to provide all the details of the attack

561
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>so Jennifer could have the closure that she needs after

562
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 1>all these years, and Dennis did crack. He said, not

563
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 1>a single day goes by where I don't see that baby.

564
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.160
<v Speaker 1>There is no other side to the story. She was

565
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>an innocent and I was a sick, deranged, beat up,

566
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>little fucking' punk. He also described himself as a savage animal.

567
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>The interview went on for some time. He told detectives

568
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 1>that he didn't know why he attacked Jennifer or why

569
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 1>he'd done anything that he'd done to her all those

570
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and he completely broke when the detectives told

571
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>him that Jennifer had actually survived the attack, had told

572
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>them his name, and managed to help a sketch artist

573
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>put together a sketch of him that almost exactly matched

574
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the picture of Dennis's driver's license from the time. He

575
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>could not believe that jenn was still alive.

576
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Wow m hm. So I mean just like that detective said,

577
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 3>there's two sides to every story here, Yeah, first and foremost,

578
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Dennis lowest to the low, absolute fucking scum. And I

579
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 3>don't say this about many people, at most people who

580
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 3>commit crimes like this. However, I will give him props

581
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 3>for realizing how fucking scummy he is, for realizing what

582
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 3>how disgusting what he did was. Yeah, and having compassion

583
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 3>towards what he did.

584
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's actually amazing because kind of how the

585
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.319
<v Speaker 1>interview was going, I didn't necessarily expect it to go

586
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>any other way.

587
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So because most people would deny, deny, deny, go

588
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 3>to court, not guilty, like you know. Yeah, And it

589
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 3>sounds to me like he, yeah, I did this, and

590
00:31:57.480 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 3>I was fucking disgusting for doing it.

591
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>And I think he had been caring it for too

592
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>long that it almost like he needed to get it

593
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 1>off his chest. And even after the attack, I don't

594
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>have it in there, but he had tried to kill himself.

595
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, like he knows that he did something yeah.

596
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:18.839
<v Speaker 3>Really wrong, So I feel for him for that, but

597
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't change what he did.

598
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>No, and the fact that he got to live eighteen

599
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>more years and had two more victims that we know of. Yeah, right,

600
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>there's probably more. Yeah, So his arrest was like lifting

601
00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a weight from Jennifer's shoulders. She now knew that they

602
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>had him, that he confessed, and all that was left

603
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 1>was to take him to court for sentencing, and Jennifer

604
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>was going to make sure that she did her part

605
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 1>to get him sentenced to the full extent of the law.

606
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>She spent hours going over her witness impact statement and

607
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>getting ready to face Dennis in the courtroom, which was

608
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 1>set to take place exactly twenty years to the date

609
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that Jennifer was found in that field, the exact Wow

610
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 1>anniversary twenty really yeah.

611
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 3>Holy shit, Sometimes the universe just does some fun I

612
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>know shit to you.

613
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I think that they had a say in the

614
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>date choice because like he was going to play guilty,

615
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 1>so they could pick a dight and they want to

616
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>pick like the anniversary dight, which is kind of which

617
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>is neat. Yeah, but Dennis still had one more card

618
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 1>left to play, and he played it. He was found

619
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 1>dead in his cell one morning. He'd hung himself during

620
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the night, robbing Jennifer of the chance to tell him

621
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.359
<v Speaker 1>exactly how she'd been affected by the things that he

622
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>had done to her. Being the incredible human that Jennifer was,

623
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>she was still determined to say her piece and not

624
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>let Dennis also take this away from her. So in

625
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 1>August twentieth, twenty ten, the twenty year anniversary, She's still

626
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>decided to read her impact statement out loud beside Dennis's grave,

627
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>telling him everything holy shit with I know, and there's

628
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 1>a photo of this. It's just like wow within it,

629
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>she said, this is just part of it. You chose

630
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the wrong little forty five pound eight year old girl

631
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to try and murder because for nineteen years I've thought

632
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 1>of you every single day and helped in searching for you.

633
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 1>In my heart, I knew you were out there alive,

634
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>either in prison or living a lie. And now I know,

635
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>listening to my heart all these years and never giving

636
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 1>up on finding you, I was right. Once she finished

637
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>reading through, she questioned whether he'd be hearing her, but

638
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:50.119
<v Speaker 1>in that exact moment, a fire aunt bit her leg,

639
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and she took that to be a sign that he

640
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>finally knew just what he'd put her through and what

641
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>she'd survived.

642
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

643
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Are you okay over there?

644
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I honestly think that his suicide says so much.

645
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 3>I think that alone says that he knew what he

646
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 3>put her through and he couldn't face her. It's not

647
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 3>that he couldn't face the prison time. I think it'said

648
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't face what he had done to her.

649
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah. And I think that he took the

650
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>easy way.

651
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Out there, Yeah, definitely. So wow.

652
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 1>So all that was left for Jennifer to do was

653
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 1>to officially start her new life free from the shadow

654
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 1>that Dennis had cast over it. But there was something

655
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.360
<v Speaker 1>that she was still struggling to do, and it was

656
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 1>all Dennis's fault. Against all odds, Jennifer had survived the

657
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>assault and getting her throat cut. She fought the odds

658
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and got her voice back, and she'd been able to

659
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 1>move on with most of her life, and she was

660
00:35:56.679 --> 00:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>even happily married. But the damage done to her at

661
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 1>such a young age during this assault had made it

662
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>so that she would never be able to have her

663
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 1>own children.

664
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 3>She became a mother, didn't she.

665
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>This was something that Jennifer was on the brink of

666
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>accepting when a doctor saw her story on the news

667
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and reached out to her, volunteering his services. Dennis's actions

668
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>at night made it so that Jennifer wouldn't be able

669
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to give birth naturally, but through treatments and another big

670
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>batch of determination, Jennifer beat the odds again and now

671
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 1>has two children of her own. Fuck yes, yeah, a

672
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>little girl and a little boy. You could look at

673
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:43.159
<v Speaker 1>the story and say that Jennifer is one of the

674
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>unluckiest women in the world. She was stolen from her bed, kidnapped, assaulted,

675
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and left for dead. Or you could look at it

676
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 1>from a totally different perspective. She'd been left on that

677
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 1>at hill, something that probably kept enough of grenaline in

678
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>her system for long enough that she was able to

679
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>be saved. She made doctors and medical staff by defying

680
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the odds, she survived, she got her voice back, and,

681
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.199
<v Speaker 1>last but certainly not least, despite all the things he'd

682
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 1>done to her, she was able to start a family

683
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of her own. In a statement she gave to the press,

684
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 1>she said, I am not a victim, but victorious, something

685
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 1>that very few people that have gone through what Jennifer

686
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 1>has gone through even have the opportunity to say. To

687
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.679
<v Speaker 1>this day, Jennifer has become a fierce advocate for other

688
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>crime survivors.

689
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 3>Hell yes, major badass of the day.

690
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, like she's an incredible human being.

691
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 3>No kidding. And that little uh irony moment of that

692
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 3>fire and biting her on the leg of that last

693
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 3>moment too, Yeah, that's that's something.

694
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like that's definitely the universe saying something

695
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.320
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

696
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.320
<v Speaker 3>I do. I do think that just like that. Detectives

697
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 3>did say that there's two sides to this story though,

698
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 3>and I do feel I know he's not the good guy,

699
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 3>but I do feel for Dennis in this case, how dude,

700
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 3>because he he's a fucking horrible person. However, I think

701
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:29.360
<v Speaker 3>he realizes he's a horrible person and it's very remorseful

702
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:32.360
<v Speaker 3>for that doesn't mean he's a good guy, doesn't mean

703
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 3>he should be forgiven, doesn't mean he didn't do this

704
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 3>absolutely horrible shit. And I do have a feeling that

705
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 3>he if he could take it back, he probably would.

706
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I do think so. I mean, there was

707
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>a I think it was forty eight hours did a

708
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.559
<v Speaker 1>documentary on this, which we'll have a link too because

709
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 1>it was really well done and it shows clips of

710
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.320
<v Speaker 1>him in being interrogated right, Yeah, And like there's other

711
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 1>clips on there too where it shows when he found

712
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>out that she was alive, and it was just like

713
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 1>like he was relieved, and like he was after he

714
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>found out, he was pretty much like crying the rest

715
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>of the fucking interview.

716
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 3>He's still there. He still is, don't get me wrong here,

717
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 3>And I'm so happy for Jennifer. Her story is absolutely

718
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.760
<v Speaker 3>incredibly amazing. There's just that one little piece that I

719
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 3>just kind of want to make sure I mention that

720
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 3>is all it is.

721
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>But honestly, like, how could he have lived with himself?

722
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Like I think there was It just came back to

723
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>me actually there was times where he had thought about confessing,

724
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 1>but he like wasn't brave enough too.

725
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Basically, yeah, well if you really if you were to

726
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 3>do those sort of things, Okay, let's say he good

727
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 3>and evil side of him. Okay, he was evil and

728
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 3>he turned good. How difficult do you think would be

729
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 3>to face that evil side of you and admit to

730
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 3>people that that was you. You even said he tried to

731
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 3>commit suicide.

732
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Previously, basically right after it. Yeah, but I sometimes wonder

733
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.679
<v Speaker 1>if there's more to it because it seems so weird

734
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to me that this was just like a completely random attack.

735
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 3>I think you would have said, I one hundred percent

736
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.480
<v Speaker 3>think you would have said if it wasn't.

737
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 1>What the fuck kind of person are you? Though? If

738
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:17.719
<v Speaker 1>you're like, so she lived in like an apartment building,

739
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>and like you're just cruising around and then you see

740
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>this light and you look in there and you see

741
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 1>a little girl, and then you're just like, fuck, I'm

742
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna go take this little girl and then I'm gonna

743
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>like rape her and like pretty much leave her for dead,

744
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 1>like because they were like, there's two sides to the store,

745
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, not a single day goes by where

746
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't see that baby. There is no other side

747
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>to the story. She was an innocent and I was

748
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a sick, deranged, beat up, little fucking punk. So he's like,

749
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 1>there is no other side, Like I'm a piece of shit.

750
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I do just want to say I don't

751
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 3>want anyone to misconstrue what I've been saying about about Dennis.

752
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure that people understand I

753
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 3>think it's just worth talking about. That's it. I'm solely

754
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.320
<v Speaker 3>with Jennifer on this. She was a fucking badass. She

755
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 3>was the one who was taken advantage of and fuck Dennis. However,

756
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 3>it's just worth that discussion. Yeah, because most people don't

757
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 3>have remorse. Usually they have remorse if they were caught,

758
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 3>and I think.

759
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, in a lot of cases, they don't even

760
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:18.559
<v Speaker 1>when they're caught.

761
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think Dennis had remorse prior to, like

762
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.559
<v Speaker 3>you said, even because his suicide attempts. He's a shitty

763
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 3>fucking person, Yeah, but he had that shred of humanity.

764
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But we do need to end the podcast about Jennifer

765
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 1>because like he was fucking incredible. I cannot even think

766
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of I don't know just what she went through and

767
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she's like a mom and like goes

768
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>on to advocate for people and got through all that

769
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 1>is literally mind blowing to me.

770
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:55.039
<v Speaker 3>And like, like we were talking about playing dead through

771
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:55.760
<v Speaker 3>all that pain.

772
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that what a made amazes you the most?

773
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Yeah, yes, because when you when you come out

774
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:08.360
<v Speaker 3>of unconsciousness, you're confused, right, It's like waking up and

775
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 3>you're not in bed, and it's like what's going on?

776
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 3>You see that in the octagon when guys are fighting

777
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 3>in the UFC and stuff, they're getting knocked out and

778
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 3>they stand up and all of a sudden, the wrestling

779
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 3>the referee because I think that's the opponent. They don't

780
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.039
<v Speaker 3>remember even getting knocked out, so she would have just

781
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 3>regained consciousness but still had the wits about her to

782
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 3>fight her pain, fight her fear, and just play dead. Yeah,

783
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 3>against every instinct in her body.

784
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>It's incredible.

785
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.679
<v Speaker 3>And then still remember all that shit, the details.

786
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that she like remembered and she had

787
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a scar on his face that she remembered like one

788
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.679
<v Speaker 1>of the oh gosh, who was it was a detective,

789
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the special agent, I can't remember, but they said they

790
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 1>had never seen like what's it called composite drawing? Is

791
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that what it's called so close to what the actual

792
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 1>person looked like, which is and this is coming from

793
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>an eight year old who when she was doing this

794
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 1>was like in pain, she was on drugs, she was

795
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>like traumatized.

796
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 3>And probably not able to speak.

797
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>So she's not able to writing down the details, and

798
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.559
<v Speaker 1>she still made like this picture look so much like him.

799
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So shout out to the artist for that one too,

800
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 3>because I'm sure that was not an easy to have

801
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 3>them as well.

802
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 1>No, they I think they were actually in that documentary

803
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that was that was challenging, but they had

804
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>ways and stuff to try to make it as helpful

805
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>for Jennifer as possible.

806
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 3>So Jennifer fucking badass, total.

807
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Badass of the day of the fricking end of the

808
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 1>year for eternity.

809
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Well well done. That was an awesome episode. Yeah, I

810
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 3>love to hear the survival ones.

811
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I know. That's my holiday gift to you all. It's

812
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a terrible gift, but it's better than it could have

813
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>been if if she had died or something.

814
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 4>Right.

815
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So, if you guys want to check out some

816
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 3>more of our social links all description below. We got

817
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 3>the YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, you name it all down there,

818
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 3>even Patreon if you want to support us there. If not,

819
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 3>it's totally cool here just listening. We appreciate that.

820
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for being here and stay wicked.
