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Speaker 1: You were listening to Petlifradio dot Com and.

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Speaker 2: Good morning or good afternoon to all of you out there.

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You're here live for the next half hour with doctor

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Jeff Werber, your host for Ask the Beats with Doctor

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Jeff here on pet Life Radios only live call in

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radio show. Let me distress those words again. Call in

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radio show. We want to hear from you after this

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wonderful July fourth, hoping everyone had to save July fourth,

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I want to hear about your pets. On July fourth,

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I'm going to talk about my experiences as getting emergency

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calls like crazy yesterday. But yeah, I want to hear

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from you. Best way to get ahold of us is

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to call us at eight seven seven three eight five

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computer right now as I am from wherever, you can

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go on to a pet Life Radio dot com page

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on the left. You'll see all the different shows here

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on pet Life Radio and you click on Ask the

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Beets with Doctor Jeff. Then you can just join in

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on the conversation on there's little tab there's a box

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there invite friends pet Life Radio, and right now there

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are the only speaker is me, and I want to

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see some others because I want to hear about your

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fourth or July, what you do or what you've done

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in the past to help your pets survive, especially those

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that are fearful, that become very anxious around the fireworks.

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And what's interesting is that I start getting the phone

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calls at least a week ago, sometimes even longer, because

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I don't know, you know, depending on where you live.

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And we're here in southern California, but we start hearing

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fireworks from different areas that you can hear the boom. Now, remember,

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if we hear it, you know that your pets hear

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it because their sense of hearing, much like their sense

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of smell, is so much better than ours. So they

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pick up things, you know, that we would barely hear,

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and they pick them up all the time. It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: So all of a.

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Speaker 2: Sudden, I get a call from somebody on my dog

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is panting. My dog is very anxious. Nothing's changed around

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the house. And I always ask about loud sounds anyway,

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any construction going on nearby? Do you live near an

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airport anything like that. But no, this last week I

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fire works and I heard them as well. So I

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want to hear how your pets espressed, your dogs have done.

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That's a little easier because cats, let's face it, depending

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on who you ask, I think that innate smartness. You know,

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those that are the supporters of the cat is smarter

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will tell you rightly so that you put a cat

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outside defend for itself, and you put a dog outside

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defend for itself, the cat's going to do better. You know,

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it's interesting when you see a cat running around the

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neighborhood with or without idea, you don't think twice about it.

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I mean, it's it's that's the cats. Do you see

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a dog running loose around the neighborhood, Oh my god,

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he must have gone out of somewhere. Let's go catch him,

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Let's go look at his ID, let's get them take

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him in and the scape seem as a microchip, all

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of those things. And if he's you know, tough dog

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causing problems, you're gonna call animal control. But cats, cats

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are cats. You just they do their thing. So I

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do feel that the calls that I get, interestingly with

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four problems around this time of year. They are fourth

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of July, fireworks, thunder and lightning storms, et cetera. Are

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going to be dog related. And I will reiterate once

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again the very very brief suggestion I had last week

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at the end of the show, mentioning also, this is

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probably too late to do anything about it. But if

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I tell you, if we go again through it now,

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then you have a whole year to work on this,

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and a whole year you should be able to do it,

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and your pets should do just great. So once again,

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while I'm waiting to hear from you at eight seven

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seven three eight five eight eight eight two, to let

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me know how things went with your pet, or just

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kind of come in into the conversation, then I will.

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In the meantime we will talk about the suggestion I

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have something you should start literally now. Is that way

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during the year you can play it out and practice,

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and hopefully by the time the real thing happens or

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even a thunder lightning storm, it will be a little different.

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And as a matter of fact, while you're doing the

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fireworks sound effects, you can also do the thunder and

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lightning sound effects, So that way you'll basically be getting

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both these reconditionings done, this counter conditioning done at the

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same time. The way you do is this you want

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to get. You can go online and you can download

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sound effects. You can find them and all different soundffects,

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you know, construction sound effects, thunder and lightning, sonic booms,

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planes taken on and off. I mean, you could find

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a sound effect for everything. We used to first of all,

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get these audio tapes. There's a little pass when you

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say then we had the CDs. I still have a

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CD somewhere of sound effects. You can still get those,

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but now you can pretty much find anything online. So

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you download your sound effects for fireworks. And the key

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is remembering that dog's ability to hear perceive sounds is

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much better than ours, much more sensitive years. So you're

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going to start sitting down with your dog in a

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good comfortable part of the house wherever it is you

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normally chill with your pet, and you're going to play

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this sound effect so low you probably won't even hear it,

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but your dog will, and play it for you know,

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maybe ten to fifteen seconds, and give your dog big

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hugs and kisses and say, oh my god, here's such

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a good boy, and give a treat, and that's it.

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So that this sound is so low it's not going

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to cause that anxiety or fear yet. So what you

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do is you continue on each session every couple of days,

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and you are going to play the sound a little

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bit louder, and your reaction each time is going to

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be the same. Oh my god, you're so good. So

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basically what we're doing is conceptually, when you think about

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how we really like to train dogs, we like to

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a number of different techniques. One is called operating conditioning.

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We'll talk about that another time. That's like clicker training,

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for example, is operating conditioning, and the other one is

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to desensitize and then counter condition. So we're not only

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trying to minimize or eliminate the fearful reaction to the

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loud sound stimulus, we are also counter conditioning him or

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her to actually look forward to to want to hear it,

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to like it. Why, because they're gonna get treats every

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time they hear this. They're gonna come to you. In fact,

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when it works, and it does, when the fireworks start,

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your dog's gonna be running to you happy, not tail

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Latina's legs, not wanting to hide, not looking for protection

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from you. They're gonna come over to you because they

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want their treat, because they're gonna start making association that

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that sound means I'm getting a treat and I'm getting

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hugs and kisses, and it's a difference. So it's something

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they actually will look forward to. They can't wait. They're

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calling their friends and telling them, I can't wait till

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next year's fourth of July because I'm gonna get I'm

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gonna get all this attention in these treats. But the

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bottom line is they are not going to be fearful.

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It's no longer a fear response. It's something that we're

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gonna look forward to. So you can picture it. You

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continue to play this sound louder and louder, and then

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hopefully they will get to the point where this means

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nothing to them, sort of like when we hear background

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sounds it means nothing to me. A perfect example, I

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am in my office and I'm in one of the

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exam rooms and I happen to be talking to my

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dad who was there, and all of a sudden, in

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the middle of the conversation, goes, let this drive you nuts.

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I go, what drive me? Nuts, he goes just listen,

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so I stopped talk for a second. I hear and

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in the back I can hear the dogs in the

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main treatment rule, I can hear the run I mean,

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just a lot of yapping dogs in them waiting room.

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Let's face it, I've Verney Hospital is a high energy,

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noisy place, but for me it's blocked out. That to

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me is normal background noise. I don't even think twice

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about it. So it's interesting. What we want to do

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is get to that point with your dog that these

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sounds in the background are just background. They don't do

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any they don't have an effect. If anything, there's something

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they look forward to because they're going to get some

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treats because of the desensitization and the counter conditioning. So

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that's kind of what we're our goal, if you will,

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and it's very easily done. The only thing is, as

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with any behavior modification technique that involved some desensitizing, involves

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some counter conditioning, it takes time because you have to

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go baby steps for example. I mean, it's no different

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than this. I mean, think about it. I had a

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client call me yesterday. This was one of the few

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not fourth of July related complaints calls that he had

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a dog with some diarrhea, and we talked about put

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him on a bland diet and then we're going to

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gradually switch him on to his regular food. So he

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called me and he told me that as soon as

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they got back to the regular food, the diary of

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starting it. So my first question was, of course, is well,

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let's go through the process again. He was doing well

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right on the on the regular food.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: On the bland food, yes, he would. So tell me

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how you made this switch. He goes, well, I put

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in fifty percent of his regular's old food and time

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out fifty percent. I'm thinking you got to start with

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ten percent and then do that for a couple of days,

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and then you boost to twenty percent, do that for

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a couple of days, and then thirty percent, do that

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for couple. It's got to be a gradual switch. You

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have to ease the system back into it. And it's

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the same thing as we're talking about the desensitizing and

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the playing the fireworks sound effects extremely low. It's because

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we have to gradually gradually get them used to that sound.

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If you just go straight to like I'm gonna try

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this in four sessions, and I'm gonna go from zero

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twenty five to fifteen and then one hundred. It's not gonna work.

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It's got to be zero three percent and then five

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and then seven and just so you got to go. Really,

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that's why I even said last week though it's a

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conceptually boy, this could be great, but you're not gonna

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do it in a week. It's gonna take a lot

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longer than a week. So now that you are aware

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of the tricks, you're gonna get it done. It's gonna

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be a these sound effects tapes. Play them very small,

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make the association positive instead of negative. If you don't

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want to use treats, no problem, just use hugs and kisses,

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just to you know, a good pattern. Head, good boy,

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good boy. You know dogs. Hey, let's face it, dogs

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love when we love them. They love to get the

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positive reinforcement and not the negative reinforcement, which is why,

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you know, think about it. As we mentioned, the reason

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why somebody dogs continue to do this is because they

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come to you. They're fearful as all can be, their

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tails between their legs, they're frightened, they're trying to hide.

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They come to you for love, and what do you

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give them love? So what do you just do? You

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just reinforced the bad behavior, You reinforce the fear. The

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goal is not to reinforce the fear. The goal is

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to decrease it, to eliminate the fear and make it

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something positive, something good. So I still want to hear

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from you. So we're just about to go into our

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short break. But eight seven seven three eight five eight

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I do want to hear how your pets did this

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fourth delight. Let's share it with others, and then when

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we get back, we're going to share some of my experiences.

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about your experiences with your pets during this pass forth

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of July. I actually had a relatively mild emergencies. Only

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one was very traumatic. A dog was a young dog

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actually was freaking out and he was a rescue. So

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you know, with rescues they could be a little bit

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more hyper reactive in that we have no idea what

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their prior history was, where they lived, what kind of

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training they received, what kind of attention they received. So

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I wasn't too surprised. But he was trying to dart

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run in the backyard freaking out from the sounds, they

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said the owners, and he ran by a little latch

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from a fence that was they had. It was a

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double latch. It was one high up and one low,

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and he literally ripped open his side just this tore

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about a seven inch gash into his skin through his skin,

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had to go to emergency. Most of the others are

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the typical. It's like, oh my god, my dog is

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so anxious, won't stop shivering and shaking.

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Speaker 3: You know, interestingly that owners know their pets, so they

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know that we start getting the phone calls, oh a

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week or so before, two weeks before. Can we get

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the tranquilizers, Can we get the ace promosine, Can we

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get the xenax, Can we give benadryl?

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Speaker 2: All these things? And I'm thinking to myself, clearly, this

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is not the first time, Because if were the first time,

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they wouldn't they wouldn't know, they would need anything. So

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instead of doing what we just discussed and trying to

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train and counter condition and take a little time and

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make it better solve the problem, they opt for continuing

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just to cover up the problem with drugs. Certainly, I'm

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not a huge fan. Now, let's fay if we have

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a dog that it gets himself so worked up, so anxious.

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You know, anxiety and stress is not a good thing

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on the body. We know that. So then is if

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you're looking at to evils these anxiety on the body

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and the increase of cortisol levels and all the effects

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that that has on the body, or giving some ace

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promosin right to chill your pet for you know, twelve hours.

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Of course we're gonna offer the ace, But what I

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prefer is instead of doing that would be to spend

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that time the effort and know, since you know that

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it's coming every year, you know from prior experience how

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your pets are, and do it the right way. It's

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sort of like when treating allergies, and I say to people, yes,

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regardless of the drugs on the market, and there are

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some pretty darn good ones now that can solve the

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problem through suppressing the symptoms, the itching the scratching, maybe

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even steroids which will help eliminate the actual allergic response

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along with other things, but it's not getting to the

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source regardless. It's the band aid. Another example that drives

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me nuts is the hyper thyroid cat and we've discussed

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this before here on the show, but on the hyperthyroid cat,

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we know that yes we can use a medication, all right,

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fema is all for limbsol, and yes it could help

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the symptoms, but it's doing nothing really to solve the

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ultimate problem, which back when I started practicing with surgery,

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let's remove that overactive thygroid gland or both if needed,

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and then supplement or now I recommend the radioactive iodine

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treatment the same way they treat people, but there you're

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actually fixing the problem, and in many cases the animal

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is left what we call you thyroid needs nothing, no treatment, nothing.

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It's perfect if the old fashioned surgery. Yes you have

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to supplement with them thyroid supplementation. But when you're using

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the filmasol, which is a very effective drug for what

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it's supposed to do, it is just the band aid.

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It is just masking symptoms and you're stuck with it forever.

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so infirm, that there's no way they're going to make

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it through surgery. There's no way they're going to make

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it through the radioactive iodine treatment, or when you're there

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you just can't afford to do the treatment. Then yes,

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of course, go with the flmasol. But if given an option,

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you want to go with something that is getting to

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the root of the problem. And that's how I feel

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about desensitizing these pets of ours during fourth or July,

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during thunderstorms, whatever fireworks in general, is if you desensitize them,

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if you fix that problem at its source, then the

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animals do better and you don't have to rely on drugs,

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et cetera. Same thing with as I said, allergies and

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all of these problems. So just something that can think about,

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something to consider. But so had about four or five calls,

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and it's interesting, it's almost I can predict the calls

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I'm going to get fourth or July, and you know,

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of course it's a closed day. You know, obviously emergency

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hospitals are open, but general practitioners like myself are usually not.

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So when I got my phone, I got my page,

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so they know how to get a hold of me,

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and the calls are so predictable at this point. Usually

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they don't result in trauma, but at least physical trauma

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and the emotional trauma when the pet is shivering, shaking, anxious, panting,

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you know, hiding, hiding under beds. Really it's said you

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would not like to see your pet like this, which

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is why given the options of drugs versus nothing, yes,

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I'm going to go for the littlelace promising. You know,

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Benejoel is really good. Benajoel goes a long way, and

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it does nothing for allergy, really very little for allergy,

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because histamine is not a major player in the pet allergy.

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We've talked about this before, but it really does have

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a pretty good sedative effect. Things like a benadel, things

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like gataracts. They can work pretty darn well. So think

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about that. You know, most people don't realize this, but

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if you look at many over the counter sleep aid

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medications for us, of course, other than the melatonin type

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of natural stuff, but I'm talking about the good old

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fashioned sleep medications. The active ingredient twenty five milligrams diphen hydromene.

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What is diyphon hydromene it's benadrel, so you can you

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know you're better off just buy it some benadrel And

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it does have that effect on pets too, as a

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matter of fact, when it comes to allergies. Is the

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reason why we sometimes like to use it is because

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it does have that calming, that set of effect. Now

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there's something else out there. I want you to write

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this down and talk to your veterinarians about because it

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really is pretty effective. I've seen it work many times.

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It's a new medication that's really not a medication. It's

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more of a supplement and it goes under the trade

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name Zilkeen Zylkne. But here's what it is, and I

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think it's really fascinating because it's more of the naturopathic

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approach that I like. You know, also, pro Sense, the

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product line that helps support our show, has comming tabs,

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and the comming tabs have things like camameal valerian passion flower.

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These are herbs flowers that we know have a calming,

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sedative effect and it's not drugs. So if you have

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dogs you can get them to take some of this.

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You look for the comming tabs by pro Sense. That

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would be a great thing Zilke in the way it

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works is a little bit different. Obviously, anyone who's seen

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nursing puppies or kittens, or any mom who's nurse their

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baby knows that during the nursing process, the baby, the pets,

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whatever it is, are in a state of kind of

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like euphoria. They are so calm, so relaxed. Why is that?

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Is it just because they're nursing and getting the milk

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or is there something else to it? Well, researchers have

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found that in casin casein is milk protein, there is

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a substance that has a natural calming effect, which clearly

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solves that question, answers that question as to why, ay

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you watch to poppy or kitten nursing, they are in

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heaven and it's because not Yes, I'm sure they're soothed,

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that they're bonding with mom, they're being fed all those

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good things, but the actual calm is because of this

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substance in milk protein. So a French company actually harnessed

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this product, this substance whatever it is, I guess it

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might be kind of like a hormone or a pheromone,

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and they've created they put it into these tablets these

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capsules called zilkin, and it really is effective. So it's

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really good for those times. Not sad something you want

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to keep them on forever, but when you know they're

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going to be in a stressful situation, you know that

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every time you go to work in the morning, they're

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a little stressed. The neighbors complain that there's barking, fourth

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of July, thunderstorms, things that are somewhat predictable, and where

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you can actually give this capsule and it works extremely well.

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So I want you to, you know again, think about that,

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because that's a good idea to think of some natural

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ways to calm your pets. That's okay too, but I

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guess the worst thing if you know that you have

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a pet that gets this worked up over fireworks, the

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worst thing you can do is nothing. So it's either

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going to be something drug wise. If that's just the

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direction you want to go, okay, research it though, talk

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to your doctors, go online, something more natural like a

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pro sense or a zilk gem or take. In my opinion,

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the best approach would be to start.

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Speaker 3: Now or you know, give it does not be now

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today on July fifth, but give yourself a good six

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months but put it on your calendars and start, you know,

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look into the sound effects CD or the sound effects download.

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Speaker 2: And start sooner when you have plenty of time to

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accomplish the task of desensitizing and counterconditioning. Make it fun.

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And what's gonna happen is it's almost like anything. Why

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do I say, when you teach your pets to have

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their teeth brushed, do it before a meal, before a walk,

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before playtime, before treat Because what's gonna happen is at

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first it might be a little uncomfortable for them, but

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then dogs live by association, so they know that when

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they see that brush and they see that paste, so

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they smell the paste or taste the paste, they know

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what's coming. Oh my god, I'm gonna eat, Oh my god,

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we're going for a walk, or we're gonna I'm getting

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a treat. So you're turning something that was difficult, was

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a negative, and you're turning into a positive. And if

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nothing else, besides the fact that it's going to solve

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your problem, it's going to enhance that bond that you

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share with you and your pets. So it's great for

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bonding and the time that you're gonna spend doing this

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exercise of desensitizing counter conditioning means you're gonna spending at

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least ten fifteen extra minutes with your pet a few

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times a week, if not every day. So trust me,

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you're gonna love it. They're gonna love it, and it'll

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probably bring down your blood pressure as well, knowing that

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your pets are not going to be so worked up

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come next year's fourth of July. Anyway, that's all we

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have time for. Next week, I'm going to talk about food.

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I'm going to tell you a little bit experience I've

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had my recent media trip. I was up in Toronto

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and Vancouver, and we're going to talk to some interaction

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I've had with a Twitter person who a lot needs

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to be discussed about food. I think there's a lot

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to learn from my experience. So we're going to go

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there next week. Thanks again to pro sense and Calm,

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and we'll be here next week, same time here on

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pel Life Radio. Have a good review.

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