WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:18.399 Coming to you from the dining room table at East 2 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:22.480 Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle 3 00:00:22.920 --> 00:00:26.839 the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze 4 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:31.079 a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see 5 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:34.679 what happens. This episode is brought to you by Hot 6 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:39.840 Coffee and the last morning of a much needed vacation. 7 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:40.640 Word. 8 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:43.399 I'm your host Charles Tyson Junior. 9 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.159 And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full 10 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:47.079 Circle Table. 11 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:53.960 Hi, hi baby, Hi. Yeah, we've been in vacation mode 12 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.000 for what feels like three years. 13 00:00:57.200 --> 00:01:00.640 But no, it doesn't. It doesn't even feel like the 14 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:04.519 seven days or whatever it's been. I know it does not. 15 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:06.319 I guess nine days. 16 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.239 I'm trying to make it longer in my head. 17 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:15.680 Yeah, I mean Thursday was my last day of work 18 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:19.000 and then yeah, so we were off for week. We 19 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:27.840 went away for five sleeps and five days and came 20 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:32.480 home and decided to record in the morning. 21 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:33.239 Yes. 22 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:37.239 I don't know that it makes these pills any easier 23 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.560 to swallow, but try well. 24 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.879 They do say that your gag reflex is a lot 25 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.280 less prevalent in the mornings, assuming you have one at. 26 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.200 All, what what's that? 27 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:55.840 Okay, So since the last time we were on MIC together. 28 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.840 It's been a month, I know, and four days. 29 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.760 I didn't think something like that. I did a minisode 30 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:05.840 because the list of things to talk about was just 31 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.360 stacking up and I needed to whittle away at some 32 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:14.319 of it. And then sitting there, I realized how much 33 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.400 I always miss you when I'm doing the minisodes. And 34 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:20.400 then also I realized it's my birthday. So I didn't 35 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:21.520 touch a lot. 36 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.280 Of it because it was your birthday. 37 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:26.800 Yeah, some of it I wanted to save for you. 38 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:32.000 Ten days ago. I know, damn, and I'm fifty. 39 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:33.280 I did that already. 40 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:37.680 I didn't that already, still are fifty and ten days. 41 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:41.199 But there was some stuff I wanted to save for you. 42 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:44.280 And some of it was like, I don't want to 43 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:45.719 talk about this shit. It's my birthday for I. 44 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:50.479 Get okay, Well, didn't we save a lot? Ng I 45 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:51.800 was scrolling through, going. 46 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:57.000 It doesn't help that someone shit keeps happening. I know, Well, 47 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:00.240 you know what, just like it was my birthday, is 48 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.039 our last vestiges of vacation. So I will defer to you. 49 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:06.199 We will talk about as much or as little as 50 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:07.560 you fucking feel. 51 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:11.719 Like, well good, how about that? Yeah? That works. I 52 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.560 guess you know what the problem is this morning. My 53 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.759 problem this morning is I made the mistake say I 54 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.680 know every time I don't take my own advice. I'm 55 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:23.479 sorry for it. 56 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:27.159 But just like when you don't listen to series in. 57 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:34.439 Traffic, it's different, but okay, it's similar. But I I 58 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:37.960 went down a rabbit hole this morning of the comments 59 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:44.000 on a thread ostensibly about Gavin Newsom, who is I 60 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:48.599 apparently paid someone to write some clever tweets, and it 61 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:50.960 caught my eye because it was like, oh, good on 62 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:56.960 him for paying someone to feed chat GPT with a 63 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.680 prompt to sound like Trump and whatever. Give him his 64 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.479 own medicine. He's been tweeting and stuff, And it doesn't 65 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.599 take away from the fact that he's been doing this 66 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:12.520 right wing podcast tour or the fact that he's clearly 67 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.240 signaled that he's throwing trans people under the bus regardless 68 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.079 of what. And the hard part about that is the 69 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:23.279 policies in California have not been anti trans, but it's 70 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:30.800 this dog whistle shit that why why right? You know? 71 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:31.680 And so the. 72 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.959 Rabbit hole I went down was basically the notion that 73 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:38.319 you know, Democrats can't be all things to all people, 74 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:40.800 and why do they keep doing this? And then of 75 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.000 course the third word is Palestine, you know, and I'm like, 76 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:53.959 here we go, but uh, we're fucked. Just I'm reading 77 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.040 you know a lot of young people who are clearly 78 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.680 disenchanted with our political system. Please don't think I'm not right, 79 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:07.319 but the logic is so flawed, and so much of it, 80 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:11.839 in fact, flawed enough to say there is none and 81 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.160 much of what I was reading. And so that is 82 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.920 what like got to my heart this morning. I was like, 83 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.839 oh Jesus, two things. 84 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.360 One, I'm very sorry because I know how sensitive you are. 85 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:31.600 You are such a wonderful empathic person, and you take 86 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:33.920 these things in. Two what did you tell me about 87 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:35.360 reading the comments? Oh? 88 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:43.319 I And these were the author is someone who you know, 89 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:47.879 has some interesting things to say, and I didn't know 90 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.879 what was going to go there. I actually thought this 91 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:53.680 was an intelligent common section, and that's why I was 92 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.759 kind of reading it because it was someone who you know, 93 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:00.839 I loosely loosely follow and I went, okay, hey, I'm 94 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.720 not gonna I'm not gonna wait through garbage. And it 95 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:07.120 wasn't waiting through garbage. It was actually a little more 96 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.079 disturbing than that, because it's like you know that purism, 97 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.600 Yes that I get, and you know, and and they're 98 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.000 mocking the whole vote blue no matter who, and I 99 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.160 get that too, and trying to say, well, they all 100 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:26.920 serve their corporate over lords. No, no, they all don't. 101 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.639 Are their Democrats that do? Absolutely? Are we always targeting 102 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:33.160 the correct people? 103 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:33.360 No? 104 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:38.000 No, not rarely, not based on what I was reading. So, yeah, 105 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.120 so that was what I just was like, Oh my god, 106 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.360 this is so heavy and exhausting and it's six in 107 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.120 the morning. What am I doing? 108 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:46.240 Oh sweeties? 109 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:49.800 And I'm like, oh, let's go talk about all of it. Yeah, 110 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:51.439 so I had a cleanse. 111 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:54.879 Now, did you assume that it was an intelligent comment 112 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.600 section based upon previous interactions with the comment section from 113 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.480 this particular author, or you were just assuming that because 114 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.600 the author was intelligent, that the comments would also. 115 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:07.759 Be I don't know, it was charitable thinking, yeah, from 116 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.759 vacation or something. I don't know what it was. I 117 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:15.920 don't generally read comments. I just don't generally. But no, 118 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:21.160 what I've read there has usually been intelligent, and I'm 119 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.639 saying it wasn't intelligent. I'm saying. It just hit me 120 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.160 in that place of okay, where is this going, because 121 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:33.680 it's that burn it all down kind of mentality, and 122 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.600 it's like, okay, but notice what's happening. Oh they're burning 123 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:41.319 shit down right now, you know, And y'all may never 124 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.199 recover from this. I mean, I'm at least older than 125 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:48.439 the people that were commenting, but you know, I don't 126 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:52.480 know how some of this ever returns, you know, And 127 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:54.879 we're going to talk about a couple of other things 128 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.480 that did sort of come up to me, and then 129 00:07:57.480 --> 00:07:59.439 I was like, oh good, it's already in the notes 130 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:06.959 as we proceed. But it was just I'm not a 131 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:12.920 centrist by any stretch, but I am a pragmatist. Yeah. Yeah. 132 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.360 And then some days I wonder if that's even a 133 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.920 thing anymore, Like, you know what I mean, do we 134 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.879 not teach that? Did we stop teaching that? I don't know, pragmatism, 135 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:30.839 pragmatism basically, yeah, basically, And that's not saying you know, 136 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:34.960 it is saying that sometimes we have to take what 137 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:40.320 we get and keep going because you know, what will 138 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.360 take its place is worse. And I know that they 139 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.200 don't like that narrative, but it's what, you don't have 140 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.759 anything better, You don't you have yet to suggest something better, 141 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:54.720 You don't seem to have an answer, and you know, 142 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:59.240 too often I don't see y'all all the time. 143 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:04.919 You know, I feel like, and this could be my cynicism, 144 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.960 I feel like a lot of people of a certain 145 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.320 demographic these days, not counting the ones that are actually 146 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:15.039 running for office, Yeah, because there's plenty of those. 147 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.480 There's plenty who are ye running and doing and yes. 148 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:20.240 Not talking about them. 149 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.720 A lot of them are frustrated too, I know, I know. 150 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:28.840 We know several. I feel like they have this mindset 151 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.200 of as long as I am out in the streets 152 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.279 with my cardboard sign yelling enough times a year, I 153 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:38.399 can spend the rest of my time being like just 154 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.360 angry in the comment section because I'm backing up my shit. Meanwhile, 155 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.759 I am the last person to say that protest isn't effective, 156 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:47.879 but protest. 157 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:52.759 Alone, well that you know, and and and this this 158 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:59.440 let's go right to genocide thing, and you know, labeling 159 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.919 Kamalah is like genocide Kamala and genocide Joe. 160 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.399 It's like, really, what do you. 161 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:09.919 Think we have right now? Like, what what do you 162 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.440 think this is? This is, you know, whatever you're accusing 163 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.879 them of without the diplomacy or the smart people trying 164 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.120 to fix things. So if this is not one hundred 165 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.759 times worse in their mind, I want to know why. 166 00:10:25.919 --> 00:10:28.879 And I can't seem to get that far, like I 167 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.360 can't seem to find that bar like you know what 168 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:31.720 I mean. 169 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:36.360 And it just occurred to me putting a reductive descriptor 170 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:40.080 ahead of a person's name in order to you know, 171 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.240 boil down your little comment, your disruptive comment. Where have 172 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:46.840 I heard that before? Oh? 173 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.600 I know, yeah, I know. And that's and some of 174 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:55.000 it is chillingly close to trump Ism in terms of 175 00:10:55.279 --> 00:11:03.159 just the anti intellectual, anti thanking, anti pragmatism, anti human 176 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:10.200 I would argue purism that, Okay, you're not kidding us anywhere, right, 177 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.679 like anywhere from what I can see, I mean, you know, 178 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.600 and I'm not talking about like the people that I 179 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:20.240 really admire, who aren't taking back money and who are 180 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.679 like doing shit and you know, really speaking up like 181 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:28.559 AOC right, you know, I feel at all. But they're 182 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.879 in the game, right, They're in there trying to and 183 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.320 are they doing it as Democrats? Or you know, whatever 184 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.200 Bernie is at the moment, Like, I know exactly what 185 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:42.440 he is, and he's this. I have admired Bernie Sanders 186 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.440 for decades, so leave that alone. But yeah, this is 187 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.639 where we are, and we keep losing ground because you know, 188 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.480 we've yet to I don't know. 189 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.559 I feel like there's a lack, not a lack, but 190 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:04.399 a great reduction in critical thinking, or at least anything 191 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:10.120 beyond the most surface of critical thinking. And yeah, it's 192 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:16.320 becoming it's sounding like both sides are on the same level. 193 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.559 Yeah, I know, and they're not. They you know, I 194 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:25.360 did the two wings of the same bird. Yeah. Wow, 195 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:30.840 does that fall short in so many ways? It does? 196 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.120 You know, our human beings perfect? God? No, right, you know. 197 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.240 Does absolute power often corrupt? Absolutely? 198 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:38.600 Yeah. 199 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:41.600 We've known that for a long time too. That's why 200 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.399 we want as many checks and balances as possible. Of course, 201 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.120 I'd love to see the money the fuck out of politics, 202 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:53.200 you know, in the ways that it has been. But again, 203 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.200 we don't get there from here. That's fine, and we 204 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.840 don't get there from eating our own I guess that's 205 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.320 the thing I'm most tired of is you know, when 206 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:10.000 you are brutally condemning people you actually agree with, something's wrong, right, 207 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:11.960 you know what I mean? Like, Okay, we agree on 208 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.399 ninety five percent of things, and there's a couple of things, 209 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.879 you know, we just take a more nuanced view of 210 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.639 Therefore we can't speak to one another. 211 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:25.279 Right, I'd rather be mad than listen or something. 212 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.519 Yeah, I guess anyway, that's that was my morning. So 213 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.679 now it's yours as well. Good morning. 214 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.360 I love you, I love you? Or is there anything 215 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:37.159 else about us that we will talk about? 216 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.000 I mean, vacation was fun. 217 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:40.559 Vacation was fun. 218 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:45.080 It was not travel, it was vacation. It was we 219 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:49.399 plopped ourselves down a little house on the Delaware Bay 220 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:53.080 and watched the water and did very little, right. We 221 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:54.639 did a lot of eating. Well, I did a lot 222 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.200 of cooking, So we did a lot of eating exactly, 223 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:58.919 you know. Reading. 224 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:03.639 Yeah, it was beautiful, not having anywhere to be relaxing 225 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.399 and all day to get there cha. 226 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:09.679 Yeah, and even reading. I wasn't doing it because the 227 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:13.840 weather was not conducive to laying on the beach. But 228 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.279 it was beautiful to watch because we had, you know, 229 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.279 a panoramic view. We really did to watch the water 230 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.840 and that part itself was just meditative and relaxing and 231 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.720 agreed lovely and. 232 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.639 Good beach house, good, good beach o. 233 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:35.960 Yeah it was. And and you know, it's in a 234 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:37.960 very quiet place that I'm not going to name because 235 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.360 I'm going to keep it a quiet place. But it was, Yeah, 236 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:44.240 it was. It was just lovely. And what a great 237 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:51.279 opportunity to just recharge. Yeah, yeah, step away, recharge, not work, 238 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.440 put it all aside for just you know a few days. 239 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:01.879 Yeah, I was reading a book by a friend of 240 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:06.360 ours in front of the show Doctor Alfred Martin, about 241 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.759 black fandom, called for Us by Us. And there's two 242 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:14.000 reasons why I was reading this book. One because we'll 243 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.639 be talking to doctor Martin on the show in a 244 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:22.440 couple of weeks about the book. And two because I'm 245 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:27.039 in that book there because there's a section about black 246 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:32.720 fandom and the Golden Girls, And well, anyone that knows 247 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:38.159 me knows I have a near unhealthy obsession with the 248 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:38.919 Golden Girls. 249 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:42.320 Near there's a word, and. 250 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.720 I low key have since it was on the television 251 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:46.279 in nineteen eighty five. 252 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:51.159 We had several rousing rounds of Golden Girls against humanity. 253 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:55.519 That was, Yeah, I got cards against Humanity Golden Girls edition, 254 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.600 I think from Kathy, probably for my birthdare for Christmas. 255 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:02.759 We shuffled the deck a couple of times. So oh 256 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:03.200 it was fun. 257 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.080 Yeah. We played that lunge on vacation and it was lovely. 258 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.519 It was fun and funny. I love that game. 259 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:14.120 I'm such a fan of Pargigans, Humanity and the Golden Girls. 260 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.879 It was the two great tastes. It tastes great together. 261 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:16.559 There you go. 262 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:26.320 So our rip list is still populated. I chipped away 263 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.120 at some of the ones that were more meaningful to 264 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.639 me than us, but there's still a few here if 265 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:34.960 you would like to get into them. 266 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:39.120 Sure, sure, some of these are from a while ago. 267 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:44.039 It's still Chuckman's own was ge a month ago today. 268 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:50.639 Chuckman's own we lost in July. Yeah, you know, feels 269 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.879 so good. Was I guess biggest hit that was the jam? 270 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.480 Uh Yeah. He died at eighty four, two times grabb 271 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:05.000 me winning musician Rochester, New York and a sleep at 272 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:06.480 his home, which is. 273 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:12.599 The best way. And so Chuck Man June. I always 274 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.799 think of when I was a kid like that was 275 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:21.839 always on the radio. And you know, when you're a kid, 276 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.839 you're always happy, so I associate that song being happy 277 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:33.200 and maybe in your house. Okay, fair, But I just 278 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.519 remember dancing around my parents' bedroom when that song came on. 279 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:42.480 And also my dearly departed bestie Christina. She got to 280 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:46.799 choose the hold music for the law firm she were 281 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:52.759 tad and it was Chuck Man Jeongne's greatest hits. So 282 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.960 it was delightful every time I called to talk to 283 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.480 her at work, and they were always busy, so I 284 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.559 was always great with didity did did. 285 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:09.880 Did? 286 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:09.839 Did? 287 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.359 So the held music was Chuck Manju Yes, interesting and 288 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.559 it was the Jail Okay. The next one made me sad, 289 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.960 even though I mean, she had a long and wonderful life. 290 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.920 But Cleo Lane died at ninety seven. She was a 291 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:35.480 jazz singer. She recorded albums across six decades. Damn yeah. 292 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.720 She was also she was an actress and she had 293 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:43.720 a four octave range. Last of the Blonde Bombshells was 294 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:47.359 one of her you know, later movies. She was known 295 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.079 for the Mystery of Edwin Druide. I was even on 296 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.119 Broadway with that, and you know, she was married to 297 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:59.799 John Dankworth. He was a saxophonist and a bandleader and 298 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.559 performed together all over the world, from intimate nightclubs all 299 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:06.480 the way to the London Palladium. 300 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:07.960 That's a girl. 301 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:12.799 I was always so fascinated by her. I loved her voice, 302 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:17.559 I loved her style. I just yeah, I always admired clearling. 303 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.960 And was she the one who did you always know 304 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:22.480 that she was black? Or did you find out later? 305 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.720 I want to say I found out later? Or yeah, yeah, 306 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:32.440 I mean she I mean her name was Clementine Dinah Campbell, 307 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.799 by the way. When she was born in nineteen twenty 308 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:41.400 seven in West London. Her father was Jamaican okay, settled 309 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.920 in England after fighting in World War One. Her mother 310 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:49.319 was an english woman and clearly had said her mother 311 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:52.319 made sure no one gave her daughter grief over her 312 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.799 mixed heritage. If anyone insulted us, she would run at 313 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:57.519 them with a broom work. 314 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:01.680 Was it one of those cases where like if you 315 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:03.640 asked her if she was black, she would say, of course, 316 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.039 but she wasn't going to say anything. 317 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:07.759 I didn't, I guess, I mean it wasn't. Yeah, it 318 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.599 was kind of not a thing. Oh, okay, I guess. 319 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.920 Or is that the wrong way to say it. 320 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.000 Well, not note you mean, but I always think, like. 321 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.960 I don't think yeah, I don't think she ever said 322 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.319 I'm not right what I'm saying. I think she was 323 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:26.279 just you know, clear lane. 324 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.319 Okay, Yeah, I mean you're the only reason why I 325 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:35.599 now know who she is. Was okay, But in watching 326 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.720 several of her performances that you showed me, I totally 327 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.400 understand your love for her. 328 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:43.960 Oh god, Yeah, she was no joke. 329 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:44.799 She was that girl. 330 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:45.400 Yeah. 331 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:45.759 One of the. 332 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.440 Definitely one of the most celebrated jazz singers in England. 333 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.079 She made her formal New York debut at Alice Tully 334 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.200 Hall in September of nineteen seventy two, but she had 335 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.000 informally performed with her husband's band at Birdland in nineteen 336 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:01.240 fifty nine. 337 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:01.920 Nice. 338 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.640 The critic John S. Wilson wrote in the Times that 339 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.920 the British had been hoarding what must be one of 340 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:10.400 their national treasures. 341 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:12.920 Sounds accurate to me. 342 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:17.279 Yeah, she said, They said, what took you so long 343 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.720 to try to conquer the United States? She said, we 344 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.160 had waited for the Beatle hysteria to die down in 345 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:26.839 nineteen seventy five. In nineteen ninety seven, she was named 346 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:31.000 Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire, and 347 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:35.599 she performed well into her eighties. Yeah, yeah she. 348 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:38.960 I loved her in Blonde Bombshells. 349 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.079 Yeah, she was just so good. 350 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.240 That entire cast actually is funny. 351 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:48.559 Oh yeah it was. It was terrific. It was terrific. Yeah. 352 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.960 She toured many years, recorded album after album. She collaborated 353 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:59.400 with many folks like mel Tormet right, Charles James Galway. 354 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.640 She was among the guests at Symphony Hall in Boston, 355 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:06.960 singing with the Boston Pops as they celebrated their hundredth birthday. 356 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:10.119 She sang the Way You Look Tonight and a duet 357 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.279 with Tony Bennett in twenty eleven at a concert at 358 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.759 the Palladium marking his eighty fifth birthday. Nice. 359 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:20.119 Yeah, was she like one of your divas? 360 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.119 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, for sure. 361 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.359 In fact, that might be how now that I'm remembering, 362 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.200 that might be how her name came up at all 363 00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:31.799 with us, because I might have asked you, like, who 364 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.480 is your divas? Because everyone has their diva, like minus Janet, 365 00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:40.359 yours is also share. Some people have Dolly Parton, some 366 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.079 Diana Ross And you said share and Cleolane if I'm 367 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:48.200 recalling correctly, And I was like, who's that? And you 368 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.039 probably said something like who's Cleolane and looked at me 369 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.559 like I sprouted a second head, and then you went 370 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:55.079 down a rabbit hole with me. And now I'm a 371 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:56.079 fan of Leoline too. 372 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.079 Yeah, yeah, one of them. I'm trying to think who 373 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.240 I mean. So was Lucille Ball in a totally different way, 374 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.519 Not as a singer obviously, but as you know, a 375 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.839 woman that I always admired in show business. Oh yeah, 376 00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:17.319 this is a shuff full of books about Lucy. Yeah, 377 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:20.880 but yeah, no share. But Clail Lane just always fascinated me. 378 00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.160 And that voice and what she could do with that 379 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.519 voice was hell yeah yeah because she had yeah, such 380 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:28.240 a range. 381 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.640 She really did speak speaking of Lucille. 382 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:32.480 She was elegant. 383 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.039 She was speaking of Lucille Ball. I love. There's this 384 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.920 video of her later in her career. I'm not sure 385 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:43.680 who the talk show host was. His name was David. 386 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.799 Okay, because she kept susking maybe maybe. 387 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:52.720 And it was the clip of like she's she's up 388 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.839 on the stage, she's the guest, and women were standing 389 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:58.799 up to ask questions and the host kept putting his 390 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.559 arm around on them or putting his hand on them. 391 00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.359 So every single time she would be like, take your 392 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.240 hands off of David, David, take your hands away, David, 393 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.480 take your hands away. I can see her shirt. David 394 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.160 put your hand in and I'm just like, damn a. 395 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.680 She clocked him every single time and be damn dude, 396 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:19.799 how often do you get away with this when you 397 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.240 don't have Lucy olle Ball telling you to keep fucking handsty. 398 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.680 So right, anyway, cleiar Elaine was ninety seven, and we 399 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:31.440 should all say ninety seven years preston power Cleo Lane. Yeah, 400 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:33.799 what a talent. You know, her husband died I want 401 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:40.000