Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
Speaker 1: the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
Speaker 1: a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
Speaker 1: what happens. This episode is brought to you by Hot
Speaker 1: Coffee and the last morning of a much needed vacation.
Speaker 2: Word.
Speaker 3: I'm your host Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Speaker 1: Circle Table.
Speaker 3: Hi, hi baby, Hi. Yeah, we've been in vacation mode
Speaker 3: for what feels like three years.
Speaker 1: But no, it doesn't. It doesn't even feel like the
Speaker 1: seven days or whatever it's been. I know it does not.
Speaker 1: I guess nine days.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to make it longer in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Thursday was my last day of work
Speaker 1: and then yeah, so we were off for week. We
Speaker 1: went away for five sleeps and five days and came
Speaker 1: home and decided to record in the morning.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it makes these pills any easier
Speaker 1: to swallow, but try well.
Speaker 3: They do say that your gag reflex is a lot
Speaker 3: less prevalent in the mornings, assuming you have one at.
Speaker 1: All, what what's that?
Speaker 3: Okay, So since the last time we were on MIC together.
Speaker 1: It's been a month, I know, and four days.
Speaker 3: I didn't think something like that. I did a minisode
Speaker 3: because the list of things to talk about was just
Speaker 3: stacking up and I needed to whittle away at some
Speaker 3: of it. And then sitting there, I realized how much
Speaker 3: I always miss you when I'm doing the minisodes. And
Speaker 3: then also I realized it's my birthday. So I didn't
Speaker 3: touch a lot.
Speaker 1: Of it because it was your birthday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of it I wanted to save for you.
Speaker 1: Ten days ago. I know, damn, and I'm fifty.
Speaker 3: I did that already.
Speaker 1: I didn't that already, still are fifty and ten days.
Speaker 3: But there was some stuff I wanted to save for you.
Speaker 3: And some of it was like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk about this shit. It's my birthday for I.
Speaker 1: Get okay, Well, didn't we save a lot? Ng I
Speaker 1: was scrolling through, going.
Speaker 3: It doesn't help that someone shit keeps happening. I know, Well,
Speaker 3: you know what, just like it was my birthday, is
Speaker 3: our last vestiges of vacation. So I will defer to you.
Speaker 3: We will talk about as much or as little as
Speaker 3: you fucking feel.
Speaker 1: Like, well good, how about that? Yeah? That works. I
Speaker 1: guess you know what the problem is this morning. My
Speaker 1: problem this morning is I made the mistake say I
Speaker 1: know every time I don't take my own advice. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for it.
Speaker 3: But just like when you don't listen to series in.
Speaker 1: Traffic, it's different, but okay, it's similar. But I I
Speaker 1: went down a rabbit hole this morning of the comments
Speaker 1: on a thread ostensibly about Gavin Newsom, who is I
Speaker 1: apparently paid someone to write some clever tweets, and it
Speaker 1: caught my eye because it was like, oh, good on
Speaker 1: him for paying someone to feed chat GPT with a
Speaker 1: prompt to sound like Trump and whatever. Give him his
Speaker 1: own medicine. He's been tweeting and stuff, And it doesn't
Speaker 1: take away from the fact that he's been doing this
Speaker 1: right wing podcast tour or the fact that he's clearly
Speaker 1: signaled that he's throwing trans people under the bus regardless
Speaker 1: of what. And the hard part about that is the
Speaker 1: policies in California have not been anti trans, but it's
Speaker 1: this dog whistle shit that why why right? You know?
Speaker 3: And so the.
Speaker 1: Rabbit hole I went down was basically the notion that
Speaker 1: you know, Democrats can't be all things to all people,
Speaker 1: and why do they keep doing this? And then of
Speaker 1: course the third word is Palestine, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: here we go, but uh, we're fucked. Just I'm reading
Speaker 1: you know a lot of young people who are clearly
Speaker 1: disenchanted with our political system. Please don't think I'm not right,
Speaker 1: but the logic is so flawed, and so much of it,
Speaker 1: in fact, flawed enough to say there is none and
Speaker 1: much of what I was reading. And so that is
Speaker 1: what like got to my heart this morning. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, two things.
Speaker 3: One, I'm very sorry because I know how sensitive you are.
Speaker 3: You are such a wonderful empathic person, and you take
Speaker 3: these things in. Two what did you tell me about
Speaker 3: reading the comments? Oh?
Speaker 1: I And these were the author is someone who you know,
Speaker 1: has some interesting things to say, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going to go there. I actually thought this
Speaker 1: was an intelligent common section, and that's why I was
Speaker 1: kind of reading it because it was someone who you know,
Speaker 1: I loosely loosely follow and I went, okay, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna wait through garbage. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't waiting through garbage. It was actually a little more
Speaker 1: disturbing than that, because it's like you know that purism,
Speaker 1: Yes that I get, and you know, and and they're
Speaker 1: mocking the whole vote blue no matter who, and I
Speaker 1: get that too, and trying to say, well, they all
Speaker 1: serve their corporate over lords. No, no, they all don't.
Speaker 1: Are their Democrats that do? Absolutely? Are we always targeting
Speaker 1: the correct people?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, not rarely, not based on what I was reading. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was what I just was like, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is so heavy and exhausting and it's six in
Speaker 1: the morning. What am I doing?
Speaker 3: Oh sweeties?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, let's go talk about all of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had a cleanse.
Speaker 3: Now, did you assume that it was an intelligent comment
Speaker 3: section based upon previous interactions with the comment section from
Speaker 3: this particular author, or you were just assuming that because
Speaker 3: the author was intelligent, that the comments would also.
Speaker 1: Be I don't know, it was charitable thinking, yeah, from
Speaker 1: vacation or something. I don't know what it was. I
Speaker 1: don't generally read comments. I just don't generally. But no,
Speaker 1: what I've read there has usually been intelligent, and I'm
Speaker 1: saying it wasn't intelligent. I'm saying. It just hit me
Speaker 1: in that place of okay, where is this going, because
Speaker 1: it's that burn it all down kind of mentality, and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, but notice what's happening. Oh they're burning
Speaker 1: shit down right now, you know, And y'all may never
Speaker 1: recover from this. I mean, I'm at least older than
Speaker 1: the people that were commenting, but you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know how some of this ever returns, you know, And
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a couple of other things
Speaker 1: that did sort of come up to me, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh good, it's already in the notes
Speaker 1: as we proceed. But it was just I'm not a
Speaker 1: centrist by any stretch, but I am a pragmatist. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then some days I wonder if that's even a
Speaker 1: thing anymore, Like, you know what I mean, do we
Speaker 1: not teach that? Did we stop teaching that? I don't know, pragmatism,
Speaker 1: pragmatism basically, yeah, basically, And that's not saying you know,
Speaker 1: it is saying that sometimes we have to take what
Speaker 1: we get and keep going because you know, what will
Speaker 1: take its place is worse. And I know that they
Speaker 1: don't like that narrative, but it's what, you don't have
Speaker 1: anything better, You don't you have yet to suggest something better,
Speaker 1: You don't seem to have an answer, and you know,
Speaker 1: too often I don't see y'all all the time.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like, and this could be my cynicism,
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people of a certain
Speaker 3: demographic these days, not counting the ones that are actually
Speaker 3: running for office, Yeah, because there's plenty of those.
Speaker 1: There's plenty who are ye running and doing and yes.
Speaker 3: Not talking about them.
Speaker 1: A lot of them are frustrated too, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: We know several. I feel like they have this mindset
Speaker 3: of as long as I am out in the streets
Speaker 3: with my cardboard sign yelling enough times a year, I
Speaker 3: can spend the rest of my time being like just
Speaker 3: angry in the comment section because I'm backing up my shit. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: I am the last person to say that protest isn't effective,
Speaker 3: but protest.
Speaker 1: Alone, well that you know, and and and this this
Speaker 1: let's go right to genocide thing, and you know, labeling
Speaker 1: Kamalah is like genocide Kamala and genocide Joe.
Speaker 3: It's like, really, what do you.
Speaker 1: Think we have right now? Like, what what do you
Speaker 1: think this is? This is, you know, whatever you're accusing
Speaker 1: them of without the diplomacy or the smart people trying
Speaker 1: to fix things. So if this is not one hundred
Speaker 1: times worse in their mind, I want to know why.
Speaker 1: And I can't seem to get that far, like I
Speaker 1: can't seem to find that bar like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: And it just occurred to me putting a reductive descriptor
Speaker 3: ahead of a person's name in order to you know,
Speaker 3: boil down your little comment, your disruptive comment. Where have
Speaker 3: I heard that before? Oh?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I know. And that's and some of
Speaker 1: it is chillingly close to trump Ism in terms of
Speaker 1: just the anti intellectual, anti thanking, anti pragmatism, anti human
Speaker 1: I would argue purism that, Okay, you're not kidding us anywhere, right,
Speaker 1: like anywhere from what I can see, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about like the people that I
Speaker 1: really admire, who aren't taking back money and who are
Speaker 1: like doing shit and you know, really speaking up like
Speaker 1: AOC right, you know, I feel at all. But they're
Speaker 1: in the game, right, They're in there trying to and
Speaker 1: are they doing it as Democrats? Or you know, whatever
Speaker 1: Bernie is at the moment, Like, I know exactly what
Speaker 1: he is, and he's this. I have admired Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: for decades, so leave that alone. But yeah, this is
Speaker 1: where we are, and we keep losing ground because you know,
Speaker 1: we've yet to I don't know.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lack, not a lack, but
Speaker 3: a great reduction in critical thinking, or at least anything
Speaker 3: beyond the most surface of critical thinking. And yeah, it's
Speaker 3: becoming it's sounding like both sides are on the same level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and they're not. They you know, I
Speaker 1: did the two wings of the same bird. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: does that fall short in so many ways? It does?
Speaker 1: You know, our human beings perfect? God? No, right, you know.
Speaker 1: Does absolute power often corrupt? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We've known that for a long time too. That's why
Speaker 1: we want as many checks and balances as possible. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the money the fuck out of politics,
Speaker 1: you know, in the ways that it has been. But again,
Speaker 1: we don't get there from here. That's fine, and we
Speaker 1: don't get there from eating our own I guess that's
Speaker 1: the thing I'm most tired of is you know, when
Speaker 1: you are brutally condemning people you actually agree with, something's wrong, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, Okay, we agree on
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of things, and there's a couple of things,
Speaker 1: you know, we just take a more nuanced view of
Speaker 1: Therefore we can't speak to one another.
Speaker 3: Right, I'd rather be mad than listen or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess anyway, that's that was my morning. So
Speaker 1: now it's yours as well. Good morning.
Speaker 3: I love you, I love you? Or is there anything
Speaker 3: else about us that we will talk about?
Speaker 1: I mean, vacation was fun.
Speaker 3: Vacation was fun.
Speaker 1: It was not travel, it was vacation. It was we
Speaker 1: plopped ourselves down a little house on the Delaware Bay
Speaker 1: and watched the water and did very little, right. We
Speaker 1: did a lot of eating. Well, I did a lot
Speaker 1: of cooking, So we did a lot of eating exactly,
Speaker 1: you know. Reading.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was beautiful, not having anywhere to be relaxing
Speaker 3: and all day to get there cha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even reading. I wasn't doing it because the
Speaker 1: weather was not conducive to laying on the beach. But
Speaker 1: it was beautiful to watch because we had, you know,
Speaker 1: a panoramic view. We really did to watch the water
Speaker 1: and that part itself was just meditative and relaxing and
Speaker 1: agreed lovely and.
Speaker 3: Good beach house, good, good beach o.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. And and you know, it's in a
Speaker 1: very quiet place that I'm not going to name because
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it a quiet place. But it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was just lovely. And what a great
Speaker 1: opportunity to just recharge. Yeah, yeah, step away, recharge, not work,
Speaker 1: put it all aside for just you know a few days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was reading a book by a friend of
Speaker 3: ours in front of the show Doctor Alfred Martin, about
Speaker 3: black fandom, called for Us by Us. And there's two
Speaker 3: reasons why I was reading this book. One because we'll
Speaker 3: be talking to doctor Martin on the show in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks about the book. And two because I'm
Speaker 3: in that book there because there's a section about black
Speaker 3: fandom and the Golden Girls, And well, anyone that knows
Speaker 3: me knows I have a near unhealthy obsession with the
Speaker 3: Golden Girls.
Speaker 1: Near there's a word, and.
Speaker 3: I low key have since it was on the television
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: We had several rousing rounds of Golden Girls against humanity.
Speaker 3: That was, Yeah, I got cards against Humanity Golden Girls edition,
Speaker 3: I think from Kathy, probably for my birthdare for Christmas.
Speaker 1: We shuffled the deck a couple of times. So oh
Speaker 1: it was fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We played that lunge on vacation and it was lovely.
Speaker 1: It was fun and funny. I love that game.
Speaker 3: I'm such a fan of Pargigans, Humanity and the Golden Girls.
Speaker 3: It was the two great tastes. It tastes great together.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: So our rip list is still populated. I chipped away
Speaker 3: at some of the ones that were more meaningful to
Speaker 3: me than us, but there's still a few here if
Speaker 3: you would like to get into them.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, some of these are from a while ago.
Speaker 1: It's still Chuckman's own was ge a month ago today.
Speaker 1: Chuckman's own we lost in July. Yeah, you know, feels
Speaker 1: so good. Was I guess biggest hit that was the jam?
Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. He died at eighty four, two times grabb
Speaker 1: me winning musician Rochester, New York and a sleep at
Speaker 1: his home, which is.
Speaker 3: The best way. And so Chuck Man June. I always
Speaker 3: think of when I was a kid like that was
Speaker 3: always on the radio. And you know, when you're a kid,
Speaker 3: you're always happy, so I associate that song being happy
Speaker 3: and maybe in your house. Okay, fair, But I just
Speaker 3: remember dancing around my parents' bedroom when that song came on.
Speaker 3: And also my dearly departed bestie Christina. She got to
Speaker 3: choose the hold music for the law firm she were
Speaker 3: tad and it was Chuck Man Jeongne's greatest hits. So
Speaker 3: it was delightful every time I called to talk to
Speaker 3: her at work, and they were always busy, so I
Speaker 3: was always great with didity did did.
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 1: So the held music was Chuck Manju Yes, interesting and
Speaker 1: it was the Jail Okay. The next one made me sad,
Speaker 1: even though I mean, she had a long and wonderful life.
Speaker 1: But Cleo Lane died at ninety seven. She was a
Speaker 1: jazz singer. She recorded albums across six decades. Damn yeah.
Speaker 1: She was also she was an actress and she had
Speaker 1: a four octave range. Last of the Blonde Bombshells was
Speaker 1: one of her you know, later movies. She was known
Speaker 1: for the Mystery of Edwin Druide. I was even on
Speaker 1: Broadway with that, and you know, she was married to
Speaker 1: John Dankworth. He was a saxophonist and a bandleader and
Speaker 1: performed together all over the world, from intimate nightclubs all
Speaker 1: the way to the London Palladium.
Speaker 3: That's a girl.
Speaker 1: I was always so fascinated by her. I loved her voice,
Speaker 1: I loved her style. I just yeah, I always admired clearling.
Speaker 3: And was she the one who did you always know
Speaker 3: that she was black? Or did you find out later?
Speaker 1: I want to say I found out later? Or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she I mean her name was Clementine Dinah Campbell,
Speaker 1: by the way. When she was born in nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: seven in West London. Her father was Jamaican okay, settled
Speaker 1: in England after fighting in World War One. Her mother
Speaker 1: was an english woman and clearly had said her mother
Speaker 1: made sure no one gave her daughter grief over her
Speaker 1: mixed heritage. If anyone insulted us, she would run at
Speaker 1: them with a broom work.
Speaker 3: Was it one of those cases where like if you
Speaker 3: asked her if she was black, she would say, of course,
Speaker 3: but she wasn't going to say anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't, I guess, I mean it wasn't. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was kind of not a thing. Oh, okay, I guess.
Speaker 1: Or is that the wrong way to say it.
Speaker 3: Well, not note you mean, but I always think, like.
Speaker 1: I don't think yeah, I don't think she ever said
Speaker 1: I'm not right what I'm saying. I think she was
Speaker 1: just you know, clear lane.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean you're the only reason why I
Speaker 3: now know who she is. Was okay, But in watching
Speaker 3: several of her performances that you showed me, I totally
Speaker 3: understand your love for her.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, she was no joke.
Speaker 3: She was that girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the.
Speaker 1: Definitely one of the most celebrated jazz singers in England.
Speaker 1: She made her formal New York debut at Alice Tully
Speaker 1: Hall in September of nineteen seventy two, but she had
Speaker 1: informally performed with her husband's band at Birdland in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty nine.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: The critic John S. Wilson wrote in the Times that
Speaker 1: the British had been hoarding what must be one of
Speaker 1: their national treasures.
Speaker 3: Sounds accurate to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she said, They said, what took you so long
Speaker 1: to try to conquer the United States? She said, we
Speaker 1: had waited for the Beatle hysteria to die down in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. In nineteen ninety seven, she was named
Speaker 1: Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire, and
Speaker 1: she performed well into her eighties. Yeah, yeah she.
Speaker 3: I loved her in Blonde Bombshells.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was just so good.
Speaker 3: That entire cast actually is funny.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it was. It was terrific. It was terrific. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She toured many years, recorded album after album. She collaborated
Speaker 1: with many folks like mel Tormet right, Charles James Galway.
Speaker 1: She was among the guests at Symphony Hall in Boston,
Speaker 1: singing with the Boston Pops as they celebrated their hundredth birthday.
Speaker 1: She sang the Way You Look Tonight and a duet
Speaker 1: with Tony Bennett in twenty eleven at a concert at
Speaker 1: the Palladium marking his eighty fifth birthday. Nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was she like one of your divas?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: In fact, that might be how now that I'm remembering,
Speaker 3: that might be how her name came up at all
Speaker 3: with us, because I might have asked you, like, who
Speaker 3: is your divas? Because everyone has their diva, like minus Janet,
Speaker 3: yours is also share. Some people have Dolly Parton, some
Speaker 3: Diana Ross And you said share and Cleolane if I'm
Speaker 3: recalling correctly, And I was like, who's that? And you
Speaker 3: probably said something like who's Cleolane and looked at me
Speaker 3: like I sprouted a second head, and then you went
Speaker 3: down a rabbit hole with me. And now I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of Leoline too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one of them. I'm trying to think who
Speaker 1: I mean. So was Lucille Ball in a totally different way,
Speaker 1: Not as a singer obviously, but as you know, a
Speaker 1: woman that I always admired in show business. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a shuff full of books about Lucy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no share. But Clail Lane just always fascinated me.
Speaker 1: And that voice and what she could do with that
Speaker 1: voice was hell yeah yeah because she had yeah, such
Speaker 1: a range.
Speaker 3: She really did speak speaking of Lucille.
Speaker 1: She was elegant.
Speaker 3: She was speaking of Lucille Ball. I love. There's this
Speaker 3: video of her later in her career. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: who the talk show host was. His name was David.
Speaker 1: Okay, because she kept susking maybe maybe.
Speaker 3: And it was the clip of like she's she's up
Speaker 3: on the stage, she's the guest, and women were standing
Speaker 3: up to ask questions and the host kept putting his
Speaker 3: arm around on them or putting his hand on them.
Speaker 3: So every single time she would be like, take your
Speaker 3: hands off of David, David, take your hands away, David,
Speaker 3: take your hands away. I can see her shirt. David
Speaker 3: put your hand in and I'm just like, damn a.
Speaker 3: She clocked him every single time and be damn dude,
Speaker 3: how often do you get away with this when you
Speaker 3: don't have Lucy olle Ball telling you to keep fucking handsty.
Speaker 1: So right, anyway, cleiar Elaine was ninety seven, and we
Speaker 1: should all say ninety seven years preston power Cleo Lane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a talent. You know, her husband died I want
Speaker 1: to say twenty ten and like backstage or whatever that anyway,
Speaker 1: the night that he died, she went on stage and
Speaker 1: you know told the audience at the end of that show, damn,
Speaker 1: the show must go on.
Speaker 3: She probably dedicated the entire performance to.
Speaker 1: Him, I would imagine. But yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Used to say that's how I wanted to go, like
Speaker 3: perform like really fearce last show and then go off
Speaker 3: stage and sit down.
Speaker 1: And that's that. Yeah. Hm, there you go.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I still believe that, right.
Speaker 4: But.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to say in the last ten years
Speaker 1: she had you know, she had retired, but well into
Speaker 1: her eighties she was still performing. So there we go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a sad one. That one made me sad, even
Speaker 1: though again ninety seven. Hey, and speaking of fierce blondes,
Speaker 1: was she well, okay, Lannie Anderson died she was seventy nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah she was. She was, but probably mostly known I
Speaker 1: mean for w Carape and Cincinnati, That's how I know,
Speaker 1: and being married to Burt Reynolds and maybe more famously
Speaker 1: divorcing Burt Reynolds. Yeah, yeah, that was her, you know,
Speaker 1: big thing. She did do some other stuff, the Jane
Speaker 1: Mansfield stories, you know, with Arnold Schwarzenegger playing Mickey Haggertey.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry what Yeah, she played, She played Jane manfe
Speaker 1: When did that come out in the eighties.
Speaker 3: It was a telefilm that feels like it would be
Speaker 3: delightfully horrible. I didn't think horrible until you said Arnold
Speaker 3: Swartz and nigger.
Speaker 1: Well, well yeah, anyway, she had a rare form of
Speaker 1: it looks like uterine cancer. Yeah, she should battle with
Speaker 1: that for a while. But yeah, she she you know,
Speaker 1: played this role where she was like the smartest person
Speaker 1: in the room, the pretty blonde who worked at the station,
Speaker 1: who was also not a bimbo, but you know, smarter
Speaker 1: than everyone else.
Speaker 3: So she and that's I think that's why she stuck
Speaker 3: out to me as a kid, because she was my
Speaker 3: She might have been my first example of that tall,
Speaker 3: statuesque blonde, but because she wasn't stupid, which has become
Speaker 3: the trope, right, Like, I think that might have influenced
Speaker 3: the way that I see women in media, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So that was good timing. Okay, I've
Speaker 3: never been a fan of unintelligent.
Speaker 1: Women, she said of the role of I don't want
Speaker 1: to play this part because she's just here to deliver
Speaker 1: messages and is a window dressing. Then the creator, I guess,
Speaker 1: said well, how would you do it? And she said,
Speaker 1: let's make her look like Lana Turner and be the
Speaker 1: smartest person in the room with her character Jennifer refusing
Speaker 1: to take dictation, type letters or make coffee, as the
Speaker 1: opposite of the dumb blonde stereotype that blanketed TV back then. Exactly.
Speaker 1: She started all but one of the show's ninety episodes
Speaker 1: during its four season run through April of nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was like between her and Jillian Anderson,
Speaker 3: okay on uh It's a Living Okay, I think that was.
Speaker 3: I'm glad those were like two of the first uh
Speaker 3: pretty Blonde I saw on television because like Jillian Anderson's character,
Speaker 3: like she didn't take no shit from nobody, especially the man.
Speaker 1: What was Jillian Anderson's character?
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know her name, but she was one
Speaker 3: of the fierce KICKI servers on It's a Living.
Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: At the same time as Cheryl Lee Ralph.
Speaker 1: Of course, there was also like the Sugar Bakers, and
Speaker 1: that came later.
Speaker 3: Oh, that came later, little bit. But I already had
Speaker 3: my appreciation of fierce women by that point, which is
Speaker 3: why I watched Designing Women and the Golden Girls. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean she did counter that and was well played.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, seventy nine yep.
Speaker 3: So from going too soon that not soon enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have one rest in Hell. James Dobson, the
Speaker 1: motherfucker who was behind Focus on the Family, Yeah, died
Speaker 1: at eighty nine. Good these about time.
Speaker 3: These are the times that I hope that Hell is
Speaker 3: as hot as these people.
Speaker 1: Say it is, right and they're all meeting back up,
Speaker 1: going right. Yeah, he was political, very political in his bullshit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: against the rights of queer people.
Speaker 3: And yeah, his contemporaries were Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson.
Speaker 3: That should tell you all you need to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was pushing all their bullshit into the mainstream.
Speaker 1: He's one of the founders of all that. So yeah. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: another one dead good.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly.
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing a bit good, shall we?
Speaker 3: That's good place to take a break before we get
Speaker 3: into some good news. Yeah, good segue, I think. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, so we will be right back with some good.
Speaker 2: News and we're bad.
Speaker 1: We're back, okay. So Keith Herring's life is set to
Speaker 1: be turned into a TV series, Yeah, by the director
Speaker 1: of Looking, Andrew Haig.
Speaker 3: A lot of people were like, really, of all the
Speaker 3: things the man's done, you chose Looking as the example.
Speaker 1: Well, because he has done other things, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't care for Looking much. I thought
Speaker 3: it was boring, dry and white, but.
Speaker 1: Well, he is gay and he will adapt the screenplay
Speaker 1: and direct. He will executive produce alongside biographer Gooch and
Speaker 1: the Keith Herring Foundation. Yes, Herring's work, while profoundly personal,
Speaker 1: speaks to something deep in us. All his bold line
Speaker 1: defined a moment in time, yet his art resonates as
Speaker 1: powerfully today as it did in the nineteen eighties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Keith was born in Reading, raised in Goodstown, Pennsylvania. Studied
Speaker 1: commercial art at Pittsburgh's Ivory School, lost interest preferred instead
Speaker 1: concentrating on his own art. Relocated to New York City
Speaker 1: in seventy eight, studying painting at the School of Visual Arts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen ninety Yeah, arbaids related complications, only
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. His art is iconic.
Speaker 3: He's one of my favorite artists period and contemporary artists.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 3: In fact, if you look at my phone, it is
Speaker 3: a depiction of Keith Herring's dancing bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah, so much work, so so identifiable as
Speaker 1: his Yes, and so this should be interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely going to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, over one hundred thousand people marched in London's
Speaker 1: transplus Pride event, making it this is, at the end
Speaker 1: of July, the biggest trans Pride march in the world.
Speaker 1: According to The Guardian, The event's theme Existence and Resistance
Speaker 1: was developed in response to the recent UK Supreme Court
Speaker 1: ruling that the legal definition of a woman in non
Speaker 1: discrimination law is based on sex rather than gender identity. Oh,
Speaker 1: such a rudimentary understanding of biology. It was an emotional
Speaker 1: and powerful day, the event's co founder, Lewis G. Burton
Speaker 1: told The Guardian. At a time when the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is making sweeping decisions about trans people without consulting a
Speaker 1: single transperson or organization, which is the way, and when
Speaker 1: a small, well funded lobby of anti trans campaigners continues
Speaker 1: to dominate headlines and waste public resources. Here, here our
Speaker 1: community came together to show what real strength, solidarity and
Speaker 1: care looks like. The march began at one pm local
Speaker 1: time on a Saturday and proceeded for just under two
Speaker 1: miles near the BBC Broadcasting House to the Parliament Square Gardens.
Speaker 1: Speakers included heartstopper actress Yasmine Finney and activist Caroline Littman,
Speaker 1: whose transdaughter took her life in twenty twenty two after
Speaker 1: waiting nearly three years for gender affirming healthcare. WOW London
Speaker 1: Transplus Pride began in twenty nineteen as an alternative to
Speaker 1: the city's more commercial Pride March. This year's event gained
Speaker 1: over forty one thousand additional participants compared to last year's
Speaker 1: crowd of sixty thousand. According to the BBC, the message
Speaker 1: was clear, we will not be erased. Our existence is natural,
Speaker 1: historic and enduring. You can try to take away our rights,
Speaker 1: but you will never remove us from society. We are
Speaker 1: a part of humanity and the public will not stand
Speaker 1: by while harm is done to our community. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 1: The event occurred in the aftermath of a recent Supreme
Speaker 1: Court case in which For Women Scotland, an anti trans
Speaker 1: organization May Let's Be Clear, mounted a legal challenge over
Speaker 1: the definition of a woman under the country's twenty ten
Speaker 1: Equality Act. After the court ruled that the law's definition
Speaker 1: of a woman is based on wild logical sex, the
Speaker 1: UK's Equality and Human Rights Commission said trans women and
Speaker 1: men should not be permitted to use the public restroom
Speaker 1: facilities that align with their gender. Alex Palmer Yee from
Speaker 1: Transplus Solidarity Alliance, one of the groups that marched, said
Speaker 1: the EHRC's guidance has not provided any additional clarity and
Speaker 1: actually is going to devastate the lives of trans people
Speaker 1: who will lose access to essential services and spaces. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all so unnecessary and evil and evil for the
Speaker 1: sake of being evil. Yeah. Yeah, we could not be
Speaker 1: a more peaceful group of people. But yeah, but let's
Speaker 1: keep doing this shit. So huge march folks came together.
Speaker 3: Beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this love about finding community.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love the theme existence and resistance. Yep, because
Speaker 3: how often have we said that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Too often. Cuba now allows trans people to change
Speaker 1: ID gender markers without requiring surgery. Even though the country
Speaker 1: fully covers gender from medical care, it's quite hard to access.
Speaker 1: So they will now allow transgender people to change the
Speaker 1: gender markers on their government issued identity cards without having
Speaker 1: to undergo bottom surgery, a legal change long sought by
Speaker 1: the country's trands and non binary communities. On July eighteen,
Speaker 1: the country's National Assembly of People's Power approved a law
Speaker 1: allowing people to change their gender markers without first requiring
Speaker 1: a court approved document proving the applicants had undergone gender
Speaker 1: affirming surgeries. Good. They are updating the technology and policies
Speaker 1: of the nation's record keeping system. Their new civil Registry
Speaker 1: Code will now recognize unmarried couples, emotional unions or cohabitation
Speaker 1: agreements providing some legal recognition of various domestic partnerships work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, it's notable that Cuba became
Speaker 1: the first Latin American country to provide comprehensive coverage for
Speaker 1: gender affirm surgeries and related medical care. There is no
Speaker 1: perfect system, but at least you know that they've removed
Speaker 1: a barrier to updating ID people sleep.
Speaker 3: On Cuba for being progressive in several ways.
Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, that's the country I would like to
Speaker 1: see same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with your love of vintage cars.
Speaker 1: Right, I'd love that they've kept so many of them going.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: This was incredible reading from the Advocate. Early August, New
Speaker 1: York opened America's first city funded shelter specifically for trans people.
Speaker 3: Love that.
Speaker 1: Yes, the shelter has room for one hundred and fifty people.
Speaker 1: It is specifically for transgender and gender non conforming people
Speaker 1: experiencing homelessness. Superators say it's the first of its kind
Speaker 1: in the nation. It's located in Long Island City, which
Speaker 1: is a neighborhood in Queen's managed by Destination Tomorrow, a
Speaker 1: Bronx based LGBTQ plus nonprofit organization. It's called Ace's Place
Speaker 1: in honor of the late mother of Sean Ebney Coleman,
Speaker 1: the founder and CEO of Destination Tomorrow. Her nickname was
Speaker 1: Ace Work. It has room for one hundred and fifty people,
Speaker 1: increasing the city's capacity to serve transigender non conforming people.
Speaker 1: They're already required to provide at least thirty shelter beds
Speaker 1: for this population under a lawsuit settlement, and it houses
Speaker 1: them according to their gender identity. It will cost the
Speaker 1: city sixty five million dollars to run Ace's Place through
Speaker 1: twenty thirty.
Speaker 3: Specifically, New York is required reprovide.
Speaker 1: The opening of Asis Place is an important move forward
Speaker 1: at a time when trans Americans are under attack. Coleman
Speaker 1: told Gothamists. We've watched so many other corporations and foundations
Speaker 1: and businesses just like completely turned their back on the community,
Speaker 1: and the city didn't do it. Said Coleman, who is
Speaker 1: trans masked. The city is keeping in line with what
Speaker 1: New York City has always been. A sanctuary city, a
Speaker 1: safe haven, but more importantly a trendsetter when it comes
Speaker 1: to LGBTQ rights. Almost a third of trans Americans have
Speaker 1: experienced homelessness at some time in their lives, according to
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty two survey, whether that starts with being
Speaker 1: kicked out of the home, or discrimination in the employment market,
Speaker 1: or any kinds of other things. This is a group
Speaker 1: that faces real challenges in the housing sector. Molli Wassau Park,
Speaker 1: Commissioner of the city's Department of Social Services, said Coleman
Speaker 1: said Ace's Place will provide his residence and environment that
Speaker 1: completely affirms who they are and how they see themselves,
Speaker 1: which mentally gives you the strength to face any challenge
Speaker 1: you have. It's an opportunity for you to come home
Speaker 1: and for you to get loved up on and get
Speaker 1: all the things that you need to get right back
Speaker 1: out here and face this world. That I do too,
Speaker 1: because our shelters overwhelmingly are not safe places for trans
Speaker 1: and gender nonconforming folks, right, you know, we deal with
Speaker 1: some horrific stories. Trying to find housing is always a
Speaker 1: challenge depending on where one is, and you know, and is.
Speaker 3: That because of the organization itself or because of the
Speaker 3: other residents or combinations.
Speaker 1: There are combinations thereof We just don't have a lot
Speaker 1: out there, right, you know, specific to us or where
Speaker 1: we are welcomed and properly affirmed, which also means kept safe.
Speaker 1: You know, right, yeah, so good? You know, may more follow.
Speaker 1: There's absolutely a need, especially in this climate, in this
Speaker 1: current political climate, for you know, trans people facing housing
Speaker 1: and security to feel.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Let's say this was notable. A GOP appointed judge shut
Speaker 1: down Texas University's ban on students putting on drag shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just happened. Reading from LGBT Nation August nineteen, Federal
Speaker 1: Appeals Court has ruled that West Texas A and M
Speaker 1: University's ban on student organization drag performances violates the Constitution's
Speaker 1: First Amendment protections of free speech. The court's Thursday ruling
Speaker 1: overturns a twenty twenty three District court ruling in favor
Speaker 1: of the university. Haha, yeah, good, good, because it's crap
Speaker 1: and it's ridiculous exactly, and good the more time. And
Speaker 1: that was a jew. It's always notable when you know that.
Speaker 1: Even there are pointed judges okay, occasionally get.
Speaker 3: It right, right, believe it or not, there are smart
Speaker 3: Republicans left well or should I say saying Republicans left well, Yes.
Speaker 1: At least in judges who are supposed to be Some
Speaker 1: of them actually take it seriously that they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be non partisan right and judge according to the law
Speaker 1: and the Constitution, not a political agenda, especially the ones
Speaker 1: that have been there a while. Not so for most
Speaker 1: of the more newly appointed judges. So the city of
Speaker 1: Delray Beach, Florida, voted to maintain its Pride themed intersection
Speaker 1: in defiance of wrong right and his ridiculous administration. After
Speaker 1: the city's vice mayor gave an impassioned speech about how
Speaker 1: symbols matter. City Manager Terrence Moore ordered the Pride symbols
Speaker 1: to be eliminated in the wake of a coordinated campaign
Speaker 1: by Desantas and the Florida Department of Transportation to remove
Speaker 1: rainbow intersections across the state.
Speaker 3: Which we'll get into in the cavalcad.
Speaker 1: But efforts led by Delray Beach a vice rob Long
Speaker 1: resulted in a majority of city commissioners voting to keep
Speaker 1: the intersection in place, at least for the time being.
Speaker 1: It holds special significance as it was dedicated to the
Speaker 1: victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting when it was unveiled
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and the Palm Beach County Human
Speaker 1: Rights Council, not taxpayers, paid for the project Maayam. Just
Speaker 1: a month ago, the city's Pride Seemed intersection was defaced
Speaker 1: for the third time when a driver in a black
Speaker 1: pickup truck intentionally left hire marks across the crosswalk. When
Speaker 1: do we stand our ground and when do we surrender
Speaker 1: without even a conversation, a Long said during an impassioned
Speaker 1: speech at a recent board meeting. Long pointed out that
Speaker 1: the FDOT never issued a formal enforcement letter, nor did
Speaker 1: Delray officials make any plans to install a Pride symbol
Speaker 1: elsewhere after plans to destroy the intersection were announced. Beyond
Speaker 1: its symbolic weight to the community, the Pride intersection has
Speaker 1: a practical benefit, he said, citing a study across seventeen
Speaker 1: states that found crashes involving pedestrians or cyclists dropped fifty
Speaker 1: percent at painted intersections. And yet they're trying to say
Speaker 1: they're distracting. God, Republicans suck.
Speaker 3: I mean they're distracting. If you're triggered by colors in an.
Speaker 1: Order, well they are, fuck nugget. It's the tingle they
Speaker 1: get when they're near a rainbow. Well it disturbs them.
Speaker 1: The study also found that injuries resulted resulting from crashes
Speaker 1: dropped thirty seven percent and found a notable increase in
Speaker 1: drivers yielding to pedestrians at painted intersection.
Speaker 3: I believe I brought this up the last time we
Speaker 3: talked about this. How that would be more safe than
Speaker 3: a regularly painted absolutely crosswalk, absolutely, because you see it
Speaker 3: come in at least a dozen feet sooner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing, then TATA negates the unproven claims from Transportation
Speaker 1: Secretary Sean Duffy that bride deemed crosswalks are not safe
Speaker 1: because they distract drivers. Whatever. Let's be honest, we all
Speaker 1: know that this is not about traffic safety. This is political. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: It's part of the same culture war climate where symbols
Speaker 1: of inclusion are targeted precisely because they represent acceptance. It's
Speaker 1: about erasing the visibility of our LGBTQ plus people in
Speaker 1: the same time when their rights are again under a
Speaker 1: direct threat. Correct. He emphasized that the city has a
Speaker 1: long history of celebrating marginalized communities. That's not just branding,
Speaker 1: it's part of our civic identity. Symbols matter. They tell
Speaker 1: our residents, visitors, and especially our youth that they are
Speaker 1: seen valued and safe here. Removing our pride intersection without
Speaker 1: commission consensus and without a plan to preserve that symbol
Speaker 1: elsewhere sends the wrong message at the wrong time.
Speaker 3: Again wait till the cable gade.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this was Delray Beach and you know cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you know. Sean Duffy is a former road
Speaker 1: Rules reality star who is now the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh is that why he was picked for transportation because
Speaker 3: the show he was in had the word road in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but you knew.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: I didn't see past the reality show star part of it.
Speaker 3: But then I had to think for a second, how
Speaker 3: that one thinks. I had to boil everything down to
Speaker 3: the most base level.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck me, Yeah, so he said, and I quote
Speaker 1: he issued a social media edict because that's how we
Speaker 1: do things now, to all US governors to remove crosswalk
Speaker 1: art on July first. Taxpayers expect their dollars to fund
Speaker 1: safe streets, not rainbow walks. Again, many of them are
Speaker 1: not funded with tax dollars. Political banners have no place
Speaker 1: on public roads. Oh fuck you. Then take down every
Speaker 1: Trump flag, right, I'm reminding recipients of US Department of
Speaker 1: Transportation roadway funding, that it's limited to features advancing safety
Speaker 1: and nothing else. It's that simple home again, It's not
Speaker 1: about that, obviously, He implied that pride crosswalks are causing
Speaker 1: chaos on the roads and have led to traffic fatalities.
Speaker 1: Complete lie. Far too many Americans die each year to
Speaker 1: traffic fatalities. To take our eye off the ball, he
Speaker 1: told the far right publication Daily Signal. Roads are for safety,
Speaker 1: not political messages are or.
Speaker 3: Not true. Look at Spain, look at Italy. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Duffy didn't specify which percentage of the thirty nine, three
Speaker 1: hundred and forty five traffic deaths in the US and
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four were caused by rainbow cross walks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: However, of course, Florida Transportation Secretary Jared Purdue enthusiastically endorsed
Speaker 1: the federal mandate the day after it was issued. I
Speaker 1: these jackass bullies. Just God, why does anyone wop them?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're assuming a lot.
Speaker 1: I am right, you're right, you're I am the five
Speaker 1: school districts that stand up for trans kids despite the
Speaker 1: quote education departments funding threat, right, they are not giving
Speaker 1: up their pro trans policies and good on them. These
Speaker 1: are five Virginia school districts refusing to revoke their transgender
Speaker 1: inclusive policies that allow trans kids to use facilities matching
Speaker 1: their gender identity, even though the current presidential administration has
Speaker 1: frozen the districts congressionally approved federal education funding over the matter.
Speaker 1: The school districts Alexandria, Arlington, Fairfax, Louden, and Prince William
Speaker 1: say that their policies are required by Title N, the
Speaker 1: federal law prohibiting educational discrimination based on sex. They are correct,
Speaker 1: but while the previous presidential administration interpreted the laws requiring
Speaker 1: schools to maintain trans inclusive policies, the current one has
Speaker 1: claimed that such policies harm cis gender female students because
Speaker 1: the pedophile in chief gives a fuck about cis gender
Speaker 1: female students. Well, only when he can diddle them.
Speaker 3: Well, that's all.
Speaker 1: In June, the federal Department of Education ordered the five
Speaker 1: Northern Virginia school districts to immediately end their inclusive policies,
Speaker 1: including policies that allow trans students to be addressed by
Speaker 1: their personal names and pronouns and to play on sports
Speaker 1: teams matching their identity in a statement announcing the funding freeze,
Speaker 1: I gotta be illegal, right, what would say? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it had generously granted an extension to come into compliance
Speaker 1: with Title nine and follow federal law. They live in
Speaker 1: the land of opposites, and this is what happens when
Speaker 1: you have this many unskilled, being unqualified, ideological idiots running
Speaker 1: your government. Yeah, the additional time did not result in
Speaker 1: a fruitful outcome. Yeah, you didn't throw trans kids under
Speaker 1: the bus like we wanted. You did not deny their
Speaker 1: humanity like we want. Uh huh, And good on the districts.
Speaker 5: The Virginia districts will have to defend their embrace of
Speaker 5: radical gender idealogy, ensuring this date the safety of their students.
Speaker 1: Know they are ensuring the safety of all of their students, You, jackle.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't what these asshats are doing to trans folks be
Speaker 3: the real radical gender ideology?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unclear how many trans students attend the district's
Speaker 1: schools to begin with, though an estimated zero point five
Speaker 1: percent of US people above the age of thirteen or
Speaker 1: trans according to the Williams Institute. Regardless, there is no
Speaker 1: evidence that trans people are a threat to cis gender
Speaker 1: girls and women in restrooms exactly. Schools and cities with
Speaker 1: trans inclusive restroom policies have found no increase in related assaults.
Speaker 1: At twenty twenty one. Study from UCLA's Williams Institute also
Speaker 1: found that trans people are four times more likely than
Speaker 1: sists people to be the victims of violent crime.
Speaker 3: At the hands of who sis people.
Speaker 1: Yep. Nevertheless, the current presidential administration has instructed all schools
Speaker 1: to rescind their trans inclusive policies and to adopt biology
Speaker 1: based a rudimentary understanding of biology based definition of the
Speaker 1: words male and female in all practices and policies related
Speaker 1: to Title nine. Oh god, Yeah, they're following precedent set
Speaker 1: by the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty Yeah, which was the Gavin Grim case,
Speaker 1: which we have talked about before. Yes, for family, students
Speaker 1: and staff concerned about whether or how this decision will
Speaker 1: impact operations in Alexandria City Public schools, please now our
Speaker 1: current policies regarding the rights of all students Jews, restrooms
Speaker 1: and locker rooms and accordance with their gender identity will
Speaker 1: remain in place.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 1: According to a letter sent by the school district. You know,
Speaker 1: this government sanctioned cruelty. It is, well, it serves no purpose,
Speaker 1: no purpose but hate and division, and you know, perpetuating
Speaker 1: evil and perpetuating absolutely evil. That's the only thing it serves.
Speaker 1: And good that there are some school districts who are
Speaker 1: going to abide by decency and the actual law rather
Speaker 1: than this ugly nonsense. Indeed, so I'm going to go
Speaker 1: right to before we take a break. Do you have
Speaker 1: a fifteen minute phase?
Speaker 3: I do, Well, let's hear about it. So last time
Speaker 3: in the I think it was, Yeah, in the miniesot
Speaker 3: I talked about the idea of retroactive fifteen minute phaves.
Speaker 3: I told you about this. It's like songs that had
Speaker 3: the playlist existed when they came out, they would have
Speaker 3: made the list. And I had another one of those
Speaker 3: this week because I heard this song I think it
Speaker 3: was when we were in the food line Okay, del War,
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh my god, I almost forgot
Speaker 3: about this song. I love this song.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So it is by Nick Jonas, and it began I
Speaker 3: know it began my eya opening towards the talent of
Speaker 3: Nick Jonas. I was like, oh, well, I can't hate
Speaker 3: on this. This is good. So this song is called Jealous,
Speaker 3: and it is the jam. It is from probably twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: sixteen ish, and I was reminded of how much I
Speaker 3: enjoyed it, and I was singing my ass off in
Speaker 3: the checkout line.
Speaker 1: Alrighty well, then we're going to go out to the break.
Speaker 3: With Jealous by Nick Jonas.
Speaker 1: We'll be right by yees.
Speaker 3: Like the way is not to let you. I'm started.
Speaker 4: They you won't get to my crazy have lost job,
Speaker 4: even though I know you love it. Cannot I'm a
Speaker 4: chean music now puffing mutchest. I'm getting lady days in
Speaker 4: coming says it's not you ball that day haven't from me,
Speaker 4: nor disrespect. It's my branch of pea. Hellish. I still
Speaker 4: can't yell chant your sexy beauto. Everybody wants to taste.
Speaker 3: That's wild. I still can't yell.
Speaker 4: Chant your sexy beautiful everybody wants to taste. That's why.
Speaker 3: I still can't tell.
Speaker 4: I wish you'd be have to pust it out.
Speaker 3: Oh it's just said a little bit.
Speaker 1: Just on me and we're by We're back.
Speaker 3: So that was the chair on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: Like the first time I heard it, I was ready
Speaker 3: to write it off is bubble gummy, And then the
Speaker 3: chorus came and he hit that note and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you ain't bullshiting. Okay, that note that apparently it's too
Speaker 3: early in the morning for me to hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't go well.
Speaker 3: I missed it.
Speaker 1: Without further ado, let us plow through the cavalcade of nonsense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this list is long, so feel free to speed through.
Speaker 1: It is long, you know, and some of this I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna touch on. Wash your hands after for real.
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton has warned that the Supreme Court will do
Speaker 1: to gay marriage what they did to abortion. She is
Speaker 1: telling queer folks to hurry up and get married, and
Speaker 1: she's not probably far off.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I always think that mean where it
Speaker 3: was like a mock up of her autobiography and the
Speaker 3: author is the bitch that told you so.
Speaker 1: So. She was on the podcast Raging Moderates hosted by
Speaker 1: Jessica Tarlove and with Steve Galloway, and what Clinton said
Speaker 1: was American voters and to some extent, the American media
Speaker 1: don't understand how many years the Republicans have been working
Speaker 1: in order to get us to this point. It took
Speaker 1: fifty years to overturn Roe v.
Speaker 3: Wade.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court will hear a case about gay marriage.
Speaker 1: My prediction is they will do to gay marriage what
Speaker 1: they did to abortion. They will send it back to
Speaker 1: the States. Anybody in a committed relationship out there in
Speaker 1: the community, you ought to consider getting married because I
Speaker 1: don't think they'll undo existing marriages, but I fear they
Speaker 1: will undo the national right. I think she's probably correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as she has been frequently.
Speaker 1: Same sex marriage would be protected by the Respect for
Speaker 1: Marriage Act, a bipartisan measure signed by President Biden in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that requires all states and the federal
Speaker 1: government to recognize same sex marriages performed in states where
Speaker 1: they are legal. Zombie laws against marriage equality and more
Speaker 1: than half the nation are unenforceable because of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court's ruling and overfelt boom. The Respect for Marriage Act,
Speaker 1: introduced after Clarence Thomas said the Court should reconsider decisions
Speaker 1: including Overfeld after overturning the federal right to abortion prevents
Speaker 1: state statutes and constitutional amendments banning ay marriage from being
Speaker 1: enforced on already married couples, but it does not render
Speaker 1: them entirely obsolete. Alito also voiced opposition to the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court's ruling and overfeld Shocker, where he and Thomas did
Speaker 1: dissent in twenty fifteen, and last winter a five page
Speaker 1: statement explaining the Court's decision not to involve itself in
Speaker 1: a dispute between the Missouri Department of Corrections and jurors
Speaker 1: dismissed for disapproving of same sex marriages and religious grounds.
Speaker 1: Alito wrote that the conflict exemplifies the danger he has
Speaker 1: long anticipated would come from the ruling, namely that Americans
Speaker 1: who do not hide their adherents to traditional religious beliefs
Speaker 1: about Homo's Sexual Condo Act will be labeled as bigots
Speaker 1: and treated as such by the government. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You don't need a law for that, bitch. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what, right, because fuck y'all anyway.
Speaker 1: Fuck you exactly. They're labeled as bigots because it's not
Speaker 1: about hiding your adherence to whatever the fuck you believe.
Speaker 1: It's about trying to enforce it on others. Ding And
Speaker 1: the fact that this moron doesn't you know, see or
Speaker 1: accept that is the problem. But you know, I swore, truly,
Speaker 1: I swore They would never overturn row. I believe that
Speaker 1: that was just a bunch of rhetoric to keep the
Speaker 1: fringes of their party happy, right, But they did it,
Speaker 1: and the fringes of the party are now in the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court because we didn't listen to Hillary Clinton back
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. So if you are queer and not
Speaker 1: married yet, y'all might want to do so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that that's true. And every
Speaker 1: faggot that said that they weren't coming for you. Check it.
Speaker 1: Ah huh, yeah, check it. Because they only started with
Speaker 1: trans people. That is not where they're going to end. Nope, Nope,
Speaker 1: enough about that. Let's see. Okay, I don't like this headline.
Speaker 1: I really don't. It's misleading. So I'm gonna read from
Speaker 1: the Advocate because these are Democrat basically consultants. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a centrist think tank, which okay, fine, but these
Speaker 1: jackgasses tell politicians to stop using terms like LGBTQIA and
Speaker 1: cis gender. The consulting firm third Way released a list
Speaker 1: of words it believes democratic politicians should avoid, including LGBTQIA.
Speaker 1: If you ask this consulting firm, Democrats aren't unpopular because
Speaker 1: they compromise with Republicans to maintain corporate interests. It's because
Speaker 1: they talk about the rights of LGBTQ plus people and
Speaker 1: other minorities too much. Centrist think tank Third Way, which
Speaker 1: they might as well be fucking Republicans as far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, recently released a list of words it believes
Speaker 1: democratic politicians should avoid, referring to them as wildly out
Speaker 1: of touch social positions, meaning basic human rights for minority folk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wildly out of touch social positions. The list includes okay,
Speaker 1: neutral community descriptors like LGBTQAA and bipock. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: like those. Quote, oh are you reading from the list,
Speaker 1: l ship. That's when they don't love.
Speaker 3: What else? Incarcerated people, privilege triggering, othering, microaggression, holding space,
Speaker 3: body shaming, subverting norm systems of oppression, cultural appropriation, existential threat,
Speaker 3: the unhoused, food insecurity, housing insecurity, person who immigrated, birthing persons, cys,
Speaker 3: gender dead naming, heteronormative patriarchy. You know what this sounds
Speaker 3: like to me? This sounds like a bunch of house
Speaker 3: faggots on the ports going get from around here. You
Speaker 3: gonna get us in trouble with massive That's what it
Speaker 3: sounds like to me.
Speaker 1: They insisted. They are not out to police language, ban phrases,
Speaker 1: or create our own form of censorship, they said, though
Speaker 1: its list is eerily similar to Donald Trump's list of
Speaker 1: banned words. Yeah, his administration issued as a guidance after
Speaker 1: he signed executive orders removing all references to DEI in
Speaker 1: the federal government, as well as mandating that the federal
Speaker 1: government deny the existence of trans people by recognizing only
Speaker 1: two sexist despite the scientific and medical consensus that sex's
Speaker 1: a spectrum. Yeah. Third way is the right wing way
Speaker 1: as far as I can say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, we're not banning language or policing language. We're
Speaker 3: just strongly suggesting that you don't use these words at
Speaker 3: all ever, and tap you on the shoulder every time
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a third way, just like Trump take issue with
Speaker 1: gender neutral parenting terms, with them specifically criticizing bursing person
Speaker 1: and Yeah, no evidence suggests that supporting legal rights for
Speaker 1: trans people costs Democrats politically or anything. Uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The GOP spent over two hundred and fifteen million dollars
Speaker 1: on anti trans attack ads about seventy seven dollars for
Speaker 1: every transperson in the United States, which a post election
Speaker 1: study showed had actually no impact on voters decisions only
Speaker 1: eighteen percent of registered voters. In a separate gallop, Pole said,
Speaker 1: candidate's positions on trans rights is extremely important to them
Speaker 1: because they probably know a transperson. Yeah. While some Democrats
Speaker 1: have attempted to distance themselves, yes, they have from the
Speaker 1: trans community by using the same GOP talking points, which
Speaker 1: is what these are. By the way, oh about men
Speaker 1: in women's sports always Many have harshly condemned the strategy
Speaker 1: is not only cruel, but short sighted and ineffect of.
Speaker 1: Illinois Democratic Governor JB. Pritzker said during an April party dinner,
Speaker 1: those same do nothing Democrats want to blame our losses
Speaker 1: on our defensive black people, of trans kits of immigrants
Speaker 1: instead of their own lack of guts and gumption. That
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Thank you. Put your finger in the wind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your wishy washy pussy bitches calling them a think tank
Speaker 1: is is that a knoxymore?
Speaker 3: It's definitely not really appropriate.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this was in the BBC. Florida removed rainbow
Speaker 1: crosswalk honoring the pulse night club victims.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I told you what we get here. Yeah, under the
Speaker 1: cover of night, under the cover of night. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: was in Orlando. Mayor Buddy Dwyer said he was devastated
Speaker 1: by the removal, calling it a cruel political act on
Speaker 1: social media. It is This crosswalk not only enhanced safety
Speaker 1: and visibility for the large number of pedestrians visiting the memorial,
Speaker 1: it also served as a visual reminder of Orlando's commitment
Speaker 1: to honor the forty nine lives taken.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Carlos Giamo Smith, an openly gay state senator, said the
Speaker 1: Florida Department of Transportation has ripped the rainbow colors off
Speaker 1: of this city crosswalk in the middle of the night. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He said the department illegally vandalized city property without providing
Speaker 1: the City of Orlando notice or getting their approval. I
Speaker 1: cannot believe the DeSantis administration has engaged in this hostile
Speaker 1: act against the City of Orlando. I believe it.
Speaker 3: Oh you can't.
Speaker 1: In response to that video, to Santus wrote on Twitter,
Speaker 1: we will not allow our state roads to be common
Speaker 1: for political purposes. That's exactly what you're doing, exact back gas.
Speaker 3: By painting over it. That's what you did.
Speaker 1: Is are words ever going to mean anything again? And
Speaker 1: in these United Divided State ever? Ever again? Are we
Speaker 1: ever going to return to like words meaning what they're
Speaker 1: supposed to mean, I mean.
Speaker 3: When we speak and write them. Sure? God, I know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is just ugly more ugliness. It happened,
Speaker 1: and it happened there at the Pulse Memorial, which is disgusting.
Speaker 1: It's disgusting. It is disgusting, and calling it political doesn't
Speaker 1: make it less disgusting. On the upside, protesters have restored
Speaker 1: it twice so far. They colored it in with chalk,
Speaker 1: even because they called it cowardly and it is right.
Speaker 3: And they use chalk because paint will be considered vandalization.
Speaker 1: Realize that one I do believe, okay, but chalk is
Speaker 1: considered art.
Speaker 3: And I would say, add a nice little top coat.
Speaker 1: Orlando, Yeah, Orlando locals discovered the state had painted over
Speaker 1: the memorial crosswalk created to honor the victims of the
Speaker 1: fatal event, and in response, a group of roughly one
Speaker 1: hundred people began restoring its rainbow colors using chalk. Love
Speaker 1: the pictures of this right. We have endured decades of
Speaker 1: state sanctioned discrimination. This is the Nadine Smith, executive director
Speaker 1: of Equality Florida, which did hold a peaceful protest out
Speaker 1: the site, and like every attack before it, this act
Speaker 1: is designed to spread fear, disspirit us, and push us
Speaker 1: back into the shadows. Yep, that's what they want.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Just as we did in the hours after pulse, our
Speaker 1: community will come together, look out for each other, and
Speaker 1: raise our flags higher. We refuse to be erased. We
Speaker 1: will not let hate win good. Please don't.
Speaker 3: Now. The only thing about that is you use chalk.
Speaker 3: You have to keep doing it. So I hope that
Speaker 3: they are steadfast in their response.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where we figure out how Orlando can repaint it right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're calling their efforts proactive again words that mean nothing,
Speaker 1: nothing at all. It was ridiculous. I really, I really
Speaker 1: do continue to hope love wins because these people are
Speaker 1: unhinged and so far out of step with young people. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see.
Speaker 3: So the immortal Bard Snoop Dogg ha ha, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: Recent on some hotep ass podcast said basically that there
Speaker 3: shouldn't be LGBTQ plus representation in kids movies. Quote, they're
Speaker 3: going to ask questions do we have to show that? Now?
Speaker 3: The film in question was light Year, which we've talked
Speaker 3: about on the show, which was the spin off film
Speaker 3: about Buzz Lightyear and his partner voiced by Uzo Aduba,
Speaker 3: her character. In one scene where they're flashing through time,
Speaker 3: it shows her and her presuming the wife or female partner,
Speaker 3: and they have a two second kiss and it shows
Speaker 3: that they have a baby together. Yes, And he's talking
Speaker 3: about how he was at the movie with his grandson
Speaker 3: and his kid was like, oh, there's two women. How
Speaker 3: can two women have a baby? And all he would
Speaker 3: say is just watch the movie and how why do
Speaker 3: we have to see that? Because it's kids movies and
Speaker 3: they're going to ask questions and what am I supposed
Speaker 3: to do then fucking answer them?
Speaker 1: And he said he doesn't have the answer. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and true women can love each other and you know.
Speaker 3: Right, And that just shows how little you actually think
Speaker 3: a about queer people and be about women that you're
Speaker 3: not fucking because if you had any kind of social
Speaker 3: conscience at all where it related to the LGBTQ plus community,
Speaker 3: you would have already made answer for the kid.
Speaker 1: Sure, people who love each other sometimes raise children together
Speaker 1: exactly period, Like it's not hard, but truly not hard.
Speaker 3: You're a lazy bitch, and we want to talk about
Speaker 3: you know, he wants to get hung up on things
Speaker 3: that are appropriate for children, like I've seen. I was
Speaker 3: looking at some of the lyrics to his songs, and
Speaker 3: there's one particular song, just the one song I read
Speaker 3: about him running trains on women and uh, never referred
Speaker 3: to any of the women in the song in any
Speaker 3: way other than bitch. He talked about being a pimp
Speaker 3: and selling this one girl's pussy fucking another dude's sister,
Speaker 3: and it's all on the same four minute, three minute span.
Speaker 3: But a two second kiss and a frame or two
Speaker 3: of two women and a baby is too much for
Speaker 3: children and causes questions.
Speaker 1: I wonder how does he explain his lyrics to his grandchildren,
Speaker 1: you know, hmm.
Speaker 3: Like put my dick on your forehead so it stays
Speaker 3: on your mind, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that. I guess he's got a problem explaining.
Speaker 3: That he featured on a song where the chorus was
Speaker 3: bitches ain't shit but hosing tricks. They lick on the
Speaker 3: nuts and suck the dicks, so you know.
Speaker 1: But that's okay. Yeah, his grandchildren, Yeah, that's he can
Speaker 1: explain that, you see. Yeah, he just can't explain that,
Speaker 1: you know, two women might be in love and raising
Speaker 1: a child.
Speaker 3: Well, love and women are not two words that go
Speaker 3: together in his.
Speaker 1: Well, acube, that's the bigger problem. Yeah. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say, uh, this next one, Trump you know, ordered
Speaker 1: an authoritarian takeover of Washington, d C. Sending in the
Speaker 1: National Guard. This should scare the fuck out of all
Speaker 1: of us. If you know, weaponizing the military the military
Speaker 1: against US citizens should never be okay, and you know,
Speaker 1: having it happen at all not okay. Watch them keep
Speaker 1: doing it in red states where you know they'll get it.
Speaker 1: People used to it before that anyway. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is fascism, This is this is Nazi shit, this
Speaker 1: is this is yeah mm hmm. The only upside lying
Speaker 1: to you about the crime in DC. We're absolutely lying.
Speaker 1: It's at its lowest point in thirty years, down thirty
Speaker 1: five percent in twenty twenty four and another twenty six
Speaker 1: percent so far in twenty twenty five. Everything he's saying
Speaker 1: is a lie about it. Yeah, he is airing political grievances.
Speaker 1: That's what this is about. He's tied this takeover to
Speaker 1: cultural issues, railing against sanctuary cities, said quote, that's why
Speaker 1: they want men playing in women's sports. That's why they
Speaker 1: want transgender for everybody, everybody transgender. Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only upside I can think of is if his
Speaker 3: little birthday parode is any indication at least we won't
Speaker 3: have to worry about the unified sound of jack boots,
Speaker 3: because no one's going to be marching in unison.
Speaker 1: Oh, here's hoping, Here's hoping.
Speaker 3: That's all I got. Well, bringing law and order to
Speaker 3: comproas heavily populated by black people.
Speaker 1: Yep. He also said the Smithsonian should focus on America's brightness,
Speaker 1: not how bad slavery wash. He confirmed White House lawyers
Speaker 1: will go through the museums they're conducting a review of
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian museums, and expressed frustration over the portrayal of
Speaker 1: dark parts of America's history, including slavery. Yeah. Uh huh. Quote,
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian is out of control. Where everything discussed is
Speaker 1: how horrible our country is, how bad slavery was, and
Speaker 1: how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been. Wow. Nothing about success,
Speaker 1: nothing about brightness, nothing about the future, Trump wrote on
Speaker 1: his own social media platform, but we are not going
Speaker 1: to allow this to happen. And I have instructed my
Speaker 1: attorneys to go through the museums and start the exact
Speaker 1: same process that has been done with colleges and universities,
Speaker 1: where a tremendous progress has been made. This country cannot
Speaker 1: be woke, because woke is broke. We have the hottest
Speaker 1: country in the world, and we want people to talk
Speaker 1: about it, including in our museums.
Speaker 3: But museums are dedicated to the past, not the future.
Speaker 1: That's what they are. They want to make sure. The
Speaker 1: White House wants to make sure that the museums reflect
Speaker 1: the unity, progress, and enduring values that define the American story.
Speaker 3: Oh have you seen there's this children's cartoon that's been
Speaker 3: floating around. It's just a little clip, and it's like
Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus and talking about slavery and how it's better
Speaker 3: than being killed, right, And basically the whole point of
Speaker 3: the cartoon is that slavery wasn't that bad? Local kids cartoon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it was just back in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, twenty seventeen, when he visited the National Museum
Speaker 1: of African American History and Culture, where he referred to
Speaker 1: the museum as incredible, done with love, and a truly
Speaker 1: great museum. He praised abolitionist figures Sojourner Truth, Harriet Tubman,
Speaker 1: and Frederick Douglas. He even recounted a story he'd learned
Speaker 1: about a runaway slave. He called the tour of the
Speaker 1: museum a meaningful reminder of why we have to fight bigotry, intolerance,
Speaker 1: and hatred in all of its very ugly forms. Now
Speaker 1: his face. Yeah, out of this phase. The review is
Speaker 1: said to be focused on the National Museum of African
Speaker 1: American History and Culture, the National Museum of American History,
Speaker 1: the National Museum of Natural History, the National Museum of
Speaker 1: the American Indian, the Mathsonian American Art Museum, the National
Speaker 1: Era and Space Museum, the National Portrait Gallery, and the
Speaker 1: Hishorn Museum and Sculpture Garden.
Speaker 3: M hm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's signed an executive order back in March directing Jit
Speaker 1: Evans and Interior Department Secretary Doug whatever to remove improper
Speaker 1: ideology from all areas of the Smithsonian. Wow, wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is right out of the Nazi playbook, folks. Yep,
Speaker 1: there's a whole month.
Speaker 3: There's a few movies, dystopian movies about when the government
Speaker 3: starts sanctioning art.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, how about it? Yeah, how about it?
Speaker 3: Dystopia looked cooler in the brochure.
Speaker 1: The State Department removed anti LGBTQ plus violence from the
Speaker 1: Human Rights Report draft. They scale back criticism of human
Speaker 1: rights abuses in Al Salvador, Russia, and Israel. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: removed all references to violence against our people and gender
Speaker 1: based violence in drafts of their much anticipated annual report
Speaker 1: on international Human rights. Uh huh, Yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be not worth the paper. It's printed on period period. Okay,
Speaker 1: so know it in advance because that's where we live.
Speaker 1: Let's see. This one is especially chilling. The DOJ, the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice in my country, demands every writing or
Speaker 1: record of trans youth care from hospitals. God bless the
Speaker 1: hospital that are standing up against this nonsense. And you
Speaker 1: really know it is specifically and strategically designed to intimidate
Speaker 1: healthcare providers and health care institutions into abandoning their patients.
Speaker 3: And potentially killing them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The Justice Department asked nearly two dozen hospitals
Speaker 1: around the country to provide extensive personal information about young
Speaker 1: patients who have received gender affirming care. They issued a
Speaker 1: subpoena to the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia in June, a
Speaker 1: copy of which was made public this week in court filings.
Speaker 1: According to The Washington Post, the subpoena requests that the
Speaker 1: hospital provide a wide range of documents, including documents sufficient
Speaker 1: to identify each patient by name, date of birth or
Speaker 1: as a security number, address, and parent guardian information, who
Speaker 1: was prescribed to purbity blockers or hormone therapy WOW. It
Speaker 1: also asked for the billing records and insurance claims for
Speaker 1: underage patients receiving gender affirming care, training materials for billing
Speaker 1: encoding practices regarding gender affirming care, the personnel files of
Speaker 1: employees who prescribe medication or who engage in billing activities,
Speaker 1: and every writing or record of whatever description made by
Speaker 1: doctors regarding gender affirming care. It's sent more than twenty subpoenas,
Speaker 1: it announced in July. CHOPS, of course, filed a legal
Speaker 1: challenge under seal seeking to limit the subpoena by The
Speaker 1: filings recently became public because the Department of Justice, of
Speaker 1: course opposed the right to seal the case. Wow, they
Speaker 1: don't care how many of us die. They want USTAD.
Speaker 1: Of course, the co founders and co directors of the
Speaker 1: Gender and Sexuality Development programm at JOB warned that if
Speaker 1: the hospital was forced to comply with the subpoena, that
Speaker 1: would likely prove traumatic for program patients. No shit. They
Speaker 1: noted that receiving gender affirming care, whereas a comprehensive psychosocial evaluation,
Speaker 1: including the disclosure of intimate and extremely sensitive personal details,
Speaker 1: knowing that prosecutors and investigators would become privy to that
Speaker 1: information and possibly made available to the public, will be
Speaker 1: experienced by patients and their parents as a tremendous violation
Speaker 1: of their privacy by their healthcare providers, by CHOP and
Speaker 1: by healthcare facilities in general. You know, people better ask
Speaker 1: if they want this happening to them about whatever they've
Speaker 1: ever received health care for. Do you want it scrutinized
Speaker 1: by people who don't think you deserve it? Because that's
Speaker 1: where we're going. By the way, then it's just you
Speaker 1: know the ideology of I don't know, if you're past
Speaker 1: a certain age, maybe you don't get healthcare. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how this works. I don't know where
Speaker 1: it ends, because we need to live in a nation
Speaker 1: where it never happens.
Speaker 3: Is it wrong that the image that's jumping to mind
Speaker 3: is that, you know, because the optics wouldn't be good
Speaker 3: for them if they actually used gas chambers and mass
Speaker 3: graves and mowed people down. So they're doing it with
Speaker 3: the stroke of a pen and taking away people's health care. Like,
Speaker 3: is that wrong that that's the image that I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Well, not just trying to take away their house care,
Speaker 1: but you know, punish anyone who provides it, right, and
Speaker 1: you know, potentially out them to the public to you know,
Speaker 1: then sick their their basket of deplorables on innocent trans
Speaker 1: people and their families. Yeah, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: it's meant to have a chilling effect, and it has.
Speaker 1: Hospitals have been ending or scaling back programs providing gender
Speaker 1: firm and careac to those under the age of nineteen
Speaker 1: since the beginning of this year. Uh huh, Yeah, more
Speaker 1: than a dozen hospitals. It did so after the subpoenas
Speaker 1: went out. Jennifer Levi, the senior director of trans and
Speaker 1: Queer Rights at glad Law, called the subpoenas a breastakingly
Speaker 1: invasive government overreach, no kidding. It is specifically and strategically
Speaker 1: designed to intimidate healthcare providers and healthcare institutions into abandoning
Speaker 1: their patients exactly. Officials have previously described subpoenas as part
Speaker 1: of an effort to determine whether any laws have been
Speaker 1: broken and to provide leverage for negotiation with healthcare providers
Speaker 1: to provide transgender care. Fuck you for all of it.
Speaker 1: The subpoena requests records as far back as January first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which is prior to Trump's anti trans executive
Speaker 1: order and any other ban on gender firming care. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When reached for comment, the GoJ referred them to its
Speaker 1: July statement Medical and this is the statement. Medical professionals
Speaker 1: and organizations that mutilated children in the service of a
Speaker 1: warped ideology will be held accountable by this Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: said Pam Bondy. God help you all for the blood
Speaker 1: you have on your hands. So I have the stomach
Speaker 1: for one more tiny bit of cavalcade. Pete Buddha. Judge
Speaker 1: decided it was a good idea to have this shall
Speaker 1: we say nuanced conversation about trans folk in sports. You
Speaker 1: know what I want from these motherfucking cis white democrats.
Speaker 1: I want you to keep me out your mouth, right.
Speaker 1: I want you to learn how to set trans people
Speaker 1: have always existed, and if you have questions about their existence,
Speaker 1: you should talk with them. I refuse to engage in
Speaker 1: this political distraction, this manufactured right wing crisis. I refuse
Speaker 1: to participate. Go ask trans people. That's the only way
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to appreciate them speaking about me
Speaker 1: without me, because this nuanced bullshit has to stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because from where I sit, you're no fucking better right
Speaker 1: when you decide to discuss me without me. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave it there, and we're going to take a break.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go eat some steel wool and gargle
Speaker 1: with lie and then come back and pop some culture.
Speaker 3: Okay, please don't really do that.
Speaker 1: We'll be right. We're back. We're back, Good God, Thank.
Speaker 3: Goodness for television.
Speaker 1: You know, I saved one little piece for pop culture
Speaker 1: because Margaret Chow. Let Dean Kane know you'll never be white.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it there, google it, but yeah, Dean
Speaker 1: Kane has decided to join Ice and Margaret put him
Speaker 1: in his place.
Speaker 3: Well, let's not forget the follow up.
Speaker 1: Always wong, never white, always wong, never right, And that's
Speaker 1: how works. You got to lessen baby. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. That's what happens, right, It's the Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas of it, all right.
Speaker 3: At least people know who clar Thomas is.
Speaker 1: Well that I'm gonna convince you I'm one of you,
Speaker 1: even though I know you secretly, No I'm not. And
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I'm gonna still benefit.
Speaker 3: That's the most he's been talked about in about twenty years.
Speaker 1: I know, right, it's disgusting behavior, truly, but yeah, God
Speaker 1: bless Margaret always. So let's talk about what we've been doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we watched a little TV.
Speaker 3: Definitely had the time to watch some TV.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 3: We finally finally saw the Luther Vandros documentary. That was good,
Speaker 3: Luthor never too much, It was good.
Speaker 1: I mean, and it touched on his sexuality. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was someone you have to again context, right, would
Speaker 1: he have been as revered you know as a romance singer, right?
Speaker 1: Love song singer?
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 1: If they knew he'd you know, liked the dick. I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably not. I was coming up in.
Speaker 3: That era and oh at the time, at the time,
Speaker 3: yet no, probably not. But then so many of the
Speaker 3: women who throw their panties in concerts would have been
Speaker 3: surprised at who they were throwing them at.
Speaker 1: Well that that.
Speaker 3: Hell they threw panties at Liberaci.
Speaker 1: Exactly was That's who is That's exactly who was in
Speaker 1: my mind. But it was good. I thought it was
Speaker 1: well done, you know, certainly deserving of a documentary. Good
Speaker 1: to sit and you know, remember how much of an
Speaker 1: impact he had and how much of his music permeated
Speaker 1: the culture.
Speaker 3: And how long he been in show business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they did, you know, talk about his battle
Speaker 1: with uh weight and damage you know, happened throughout his career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well done and worth watching.
Speaker 3: Definitely, And it definitely re cemented my love for his
Speaker 3: music absolutely, And I think you were like, wait, oh,
Speaker 3: he's sang that song too. Oh I love that song.
Speaker 1: There were a couple I forgot it with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like Spandau Ballet or somebody like
Speaker 1: I didn't you.
Speaker 3: Know luth E Vanros's voice was definitely velvet dipped in
Speaker 3: chocolate and while we were on vacation. I do believe
Speaker 3: Ruben stuttered, uh might have been Hasberry Park did uh
Speaker 3: Luther Vanrels tribute concert? Really And I'm like, that's someone.
Speaker 3: That's someone who could do that, Like when Deborah Cox locally,
Speaker 3: right when I heard Deborah Cox was playing the Whitney
Speaker 3: Houston role in the Bodyguard, I was like, yes, I
Speaker 3: see that same thing with Ruben Stutter. Yes, you have
Speaker 3: the voice for that.
Speaker 1: There you go, Yeah, there you go. You watched or
Speaker 1: tried to watch or something. Bo Is Afraid? What is that?
Speaker 3: Finally?
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Bo Was Afraid is the most recent film from
Speaker 3: acclaimed director Ari Astor, who made Hereditary, which is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite horror movies, Midsummer which I never want
Speaker 3: to see again. It was very disturbing. You had you
Speaker 3: were in bed with COVID, so you missed all this,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I watched that movie was very disturbing.
Speaker 1: I know you were watching everything. You don't get to
Speaker 1: watch when I'm awake.
Speaker 3: Get at I arguably bo Is Afraid is ari Astor's
Speaker 3: biggest budget project just based on the cast.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's centered around Joaquin Phoenix also there was Nathan Lane.
Speaker 3: I can't even think of all the major actors that
Speaker 3: were in this cast. It was three hours, and by
Speaker 3: the end of it, my response to it was what
Speaker 3: it was very weird, very stylized, was well made film.
Speaker 3: The first hour is great. The next two I wish
Speaker 3: I could get back.
Speaker 1: Could have been an email. So it should have been
Speaker 1: a one hour movie. Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Maybe it could have gone as long as two, but
Speaker 3: three was much much.
Speaker 1: There was much that you know that over indulgence and
Speaker 1: a good editor. That's the difference between that and potentially great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And and you know, like I said, the first hour
Speaker 3: is great, like Joaquin Phoenix's characters will be very paranoid,
Speaker 3: and so all these things were.
Speaker 1: Happening, and nobody does the paranoid like Juaquin phoen for real.
Speaker 3: Though, And like the way it was done is like,
Speaker 3: you know, everyone's coming at him and everyone wants him
Speaker 3: and and I was just praying that this is all
Speaker 3: in his head. And for lack of spoiling, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to leave it that I wish the movie had
Speaker 3: gone where I expected it to. It would have been
Speaker 3: a better movie.
Speaker 1: So recommend. Don't recommend that that sounded like a warning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you have nothing better to do, it's.
Speaker 3: Not so much to recommend as if you feel the
Speaker 3: need to see it for yourself, go ahead experience it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you'll you won't forget it. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: I won't forget it because I won't say it exactly
Speaker 1: not my.
Speaker 3: Key, not for you, as it were. Ari Astor is
Speaker 3: brilliant in that he doesn't just do like scary horror.
Speaker 3: He delves into like the themes of human emotion. So
Speaker 3: it's a well made film.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going to point out I have not
Speaker 1: had a cigarette for a month. I just felt like
Speaker 1: I would say that. Hold on, yeah, before we talk
Speaker 1: about indulgence and vice and everything. We discussed the next one.
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out.
Speaker 3: And you deserve the Applaus.
Speaker 1: Now I have you know, I've hit I have a
Speaker 1: mint vape with some nicotine in it. I don't I
Speaker 1: have not completely purged of nicotine, right, but I don't
Speaker 1: inhale it, I you know, absorb it and not nearly
Speaker 1: as often as I was smoking. I've been very productive. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I all that oxygen to my brain and even
Speaker 1: when I'm enormously frustrated with current events. Uh still no cigarettes.
Speaker 1: I figure it's not going to help.
Speaker 3: Good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was ready. I feel I feel ready.
Speaker 1: My My biggest reservation was that the last time that
Speaker 1: I quit for three years, the brain fog never went away,
Speaker 1: and it was made it very difficult to do my job.
Speaker 1: And at a point where it got particularly challenging, I
Speaker 1: went and bought a pack of cigarettes and like halfway
Speaker 1: through the first cigarette, oh there, I am like immediately,
Speaker 1: and what we kind of deduced it's we're figured out,
Speaker 1: and I think now accurately between my doctor and my
Speaker 1: therapy partner, was that you know, I was not medicated
Speaker 1: enough for my ADHD and therefore was using nicotine as
Speaker 1: the stimulant for my brain. Right, And it's how I
Speaker 1: wound up with an enjoyable cocaine habit for a while
Speaker 1: trying to self medicate. And when we looked at it
Speaker 1: through that lens, I went, oh right, So adderall has
Speaker 1: been a game changer for me. Slows down my mind,
Speaker 1: helps me get my notes done, helps me do my job,
Speaker 1: kept me employed. But it also has the added benefit
Speaker 1: of I'm not missing the you know that heavy dose
Speaker 1: of nicotine that I probably was self medicating with all
Speaker 1: these years. Right, So yeah, it's been a good, solid
Speaker 1: month and I'm not I'm not having gravings again. You know,
Speaker 1: I know that the vape is there, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't touch that nearly as much as right, you know,
Speaker 1: the pack a day of a smoker adderall is a
Speaker 1: wonder drug, no shit. So anyway, I just thought i'd
Speaker 1: bring that up before we talk about Fit for TV
Speaker 1: the Reality of the Biggest Loser. Yes, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they're connected, but I'm connecting them. I thought it
Speaker 1: was really well done.
Speaker 3: It was, and it filled in some gaps because I
Speaker 3: watched like very little of the first season and then
Speaker 3: nothing else anyone on for another fifteen season. Sixteen seasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was sixteen seasons long, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: know I didn't watch it. Probably I watched maybe a
Speaker 1: third of that because I don't know. I was fascinated
Speaker 1: by it for a bit. I don't think Jillian Michaels
Speaker 1: would agree with us. She didn't look great. Knew she
Speaker 1: didn't the end of that. What was your takeaway, I'm curious.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of it is the reason why
Speaker 3: I stop watching the show because at the time that
Speaker 3: this show was on and at its most popular, I
Speaker 3: was full time in dance. So I'm very I was
Speaker 3: very in tune with the body and how it works.
Speaker 3: And I'm watching this show and they're putting these people
Speaker 3: who whose weight debilitated their mobility to a certain greater
Speaker 3: or lesser degree, depending on the individual, and they're putting
Speaker 3: them through these rigorous workouts that you can't go from
Speaker 3: zero to one hundred like that, like a person at
Speaker 3: a more average weight. You can't go from zero to
Speaker 3: one hundred like that and not expect there to be
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Physical realm of right. I expected more of a salacious thing,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't really. I mean, some of it was questionable.
Speaker 1: Some of it, you know, there were people who felt
Speaker 1: exploited and or you know, felt like the metabolism was
Speaker 1: fucked afterwards, right because it was.
Speaker 3: Well, because again, the level of workout that they were
Speaker 3: giving these people is not typical for anyone, right, And
Speaker 3: it's damn near impossible to maintain on your own.
Speaker 1: And wasn't it like burn a minimum of six thousand
Speaker 1: galleries a day? Yeah, well, eating to the trainers somewhere
Speaker 1: around eight hundred or a thousand galleries according to the doctor, right,
Speaker 1: you know, more normal levels. And that was an interesting
Speaker 1: kind of counterpoint, was the doctor Huzanga. I think was
Speaker 1: the his reservations and his input and his you know, and.
Speaker 3: His fight with the producer would listen to him because
Speaker 3: you could make a good TV show or you can
Speaker 3: do things right and healthy insane. You can't do.
Speaker 1: Both, yeah, apparently not. It was really worthwhile. And I
Speaker 1: think I meant more as because you you know, certainly
Speaker 1: had struggled with weight problems as an adolescent dance you know,
Speaker 1: melted those pounds if nothing else, right, true, but the
Speaker 1: whole idea, because you know, I grew up. I mean
Speaker 1: I have struggled with my own weight, but struggled is h.
Speaker 1: I've been conscious of my own weight my whole life. Right.
Speaker 1: My mother was someone who was on weight watchers, you know, perpetually.
Speaker 1: She was a big lady. Not when she was young,
Speaker 1: but after having my brother, after her first pregnancy and
Speaker 1: subsequently and then she she lost something like one hundred
Speaker 1: pounds right before she got pregnant with me while she
Speaker 1: was on a bill, which I should not know, but
Speaker 1: I do right, she would tell everyone it's a little effective, right,
Speaker 1: But I mean I watched her, you know, with the
Speaker 1: I don't French cut green beans were a big thing,
Speaker 1: and tuna and red wine vinegar as a salad dressing,
Speaker 1: and tab and fresca. That's how I figured out I
Speaker 1: liked fresca, but you know, perpetually, and so was my
Speaker 1: sister as a result, you know. And I saw my
Speaker 1: mother with the candies that were really amphetamines and et cetera,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to to I don't know, meet the ideal, right,
Speaker 1: which just never happened. So that's why I was really
Speaker 1: careful about that ship when I raised a daughter, because
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to do that to herself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my, my, The women in my family went through
Speaker 3: various degrees of weight loss journey. Like my mom was
Speaker 3: on the diet for a significant portion of time that
Speaker 3: I remember. That's when you were like except for tab.
Speaker 3: I was like, do you have the same mother? Like
Speaker 3: tuna and boiled chicken bread?
Speaker 1: Right? That was a but that was all a weight
Speaker 1: watcher stuff.
Speaker 3: Cottage cheek.
Speaker 1: Cottage cheese was a big one. Yeah, I liked cottage cheese.
Speaker 1: I you too, are broken I didn't feel broken about it,
Speaker 1: especially cottage sees and pineapple like that was her every fucking.
Speaker 3: Cottagechees and pineapple coindag cheese and peaches. And that was
Speaker 3: when she discovered her affinity for diet.
Speaker 1: PEPSI right, right, we had tab in the house and
Speaker 1: fresco when I was little, and then you know, whatever
Speaker 1: turned into diet cooked.
Speaker 3: My one sister did the diet pills for a while.
Speaker 1: It's a thing, it's you know, it explored that whole thing,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole idea if I'm just thin, my
Speaker 1: life will be better. I mean, that's not how this works.
Speaker 3: Well because they don't give them any kind of therapy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and working in addiction. That was the one thing
Speaker 1: as we watched it we kept talking about was like,
Speaker 1: if you don't address the underlying shit right it, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not going to be a long term solution.
Speaker 3: Right. How many times did I yell the word therapy
Speaker 3: at the television?
Speaker 1: Well several than I did, and I'm a therapist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't do that, And you know, at least one
Speaker 1: of the contestants talked about that. You know, there were
Speaker 1: things they could have introduced that they did not and
Speaker 1: that's one of them, Like, why do I have this
Speaker 1: relationship with food?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Right, why am I, you know, binge eating at too
Speaker 1: in the morning? Why is this happening?
Speaker 3: Because when you go through a significant change like weight laws,
Speaker 3: like plastic surgery, because I was thinking about shows like
Speaker 3: Extreme Makeover the original version or the Swan or even
Speaker 3: if you like had long hair your whole life and
Speaker 3: you cut it, You're you're going through a significant change
Speaker 3: and there's bound to be trauma attached to the things
Speaker 3: that you are shedding or changing that gone unaddressed. You're
Speaker 3: just creating. You're either creating new problems or magnifying the
Speaker 3: old ones or both.
Speaker 1: Right, and changing your eating should kind of be a
Speaker 1: lifelong thing exactly, because diets, I mean they might work
Speaker 1: in the short term, but you know, if you're going
Speaker 1: to return to whatever level of eating right, it's a
Speaker 1: difficult addiction to deal with because you have to eat right.
Speaker 1: You can't give up food. You can't just abstain.
Speaker 3: It don't work that way.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to work with the relationship with
Speaker 1: food exactly. It doesn't work that way. You really have
Speaker 1: to work on that relationship and figure out the whys.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're eating is even disordered, you know,
Speaker 1: as it often but not always is, you know. And
Speaker 1: we don't do a good job either of saying you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bigger than some folks. You're gonna
Speaker 1: always be, you know. But as long as you're healthy,
Speaker 1: you're fine. You don't have to. It's the aspiring to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a ridiculous size or a ridiculous weight that
Speaker 1: is not even healthy for your body. And towards the end,
Speaker 1: they did show the one girl who like apparently they
Speaker 1: all gasped because she looked in her exit and she
Speaker 1: took it to an extreme.
Speaker 3: I know, at one point for me what people refer
Speaker 3: to as my best dancing shape i'd ever been. That
Speaker 3: was when I was undergoing what I call the creative
Speaker 3: poverty diet, where I'm dancing all the time, all day,
Speaker 3: seven days a week, but no one's really paying me,
Speaker 3: so I'm not really eating.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: But while I don't recommend this diet, it.
Speaker 1: Works well, I mean right for weight, but right for health,
Speaker 1: right or you know, sustained energy or any of those things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's just it, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not going to pretend I didn't enjoy
Speaker 3: my time as a thirty two waist. Sure, I get that,
Speaker 3: and my clothes options were a lot cuter.
Speaker 1: I get that, but not sustainable. Right, I was a
Speaker 1: thirty I was down as I was a thirty one
Speaker 1: for quite a while, but then I was a thirty
Speaker 1: three and thirty three for a very long time. Thirty
Speaker 1: three to thirty four was was. I was very thin
Speaker 1: and at that point and under two hundred pounds. I'm
Speaker 1: six feet tall, right, you know, And and that was
Speaker 1: a big boned Well that's big boned in my family,
Speaker 1: Like my frame is not small.
Speaker 3: I was at like one eighty six.
Speaker 1: That's low for year six two, I know.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say. When you're
Speaker 3: a certain height, right, it don't look good.
Speaker 1: Well, And I was otherwise.
Speaker 3: Healthy, like I was working out, like I said, I
Speaker 3: was dancing all the time. If I could have just.
Speaker 1: Eaten more, yeah, at the point where I was about
Speaker 1: one to eighty, I looked emaciated, right, I didn't look healthy.
Speaker 1: I looked too thin, right, yeah, And yet the charts
Speaker 1: would say that's a healthy wait for.
Speaker 2: Me, right.
Speaker 3: So when I finally started making some money, it was like.
Speaker 1: And then I started taking estrogen and all about.
Speaker 3: Sworld, I started making a little money. It was like, okay,
Speaker 3: now with my job is to eat all the things
Speaker 3: that I didn't get to eat during that time.
Speaker 1: And well, right, and I think it is about balance,
Speaker 1: and I think many of us eed our feelings.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And again it's not easy, but this is you know,
Speaker 1: this is the documentary kind of about one of the extremes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and The Biggest Loser was an extreme.
Speaker 1: It was an extreme and ultimately not you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I refuse to watch that show because it was like,
Speaker 3: it's obviously not healthy for these people, no matter what
Speaker 3: they might think.
Speaker 1: Right, it's not that weight loss can't be healthy. It's
Speaker 1: not that certainly exercise can't be healthy. But it was
Speaker 1: the again the extreme.
Speaker 3: Right, that you can't maintain you can't keep that workout regiment, right.
Speaker 1: Because they were working out like six, eight, ten whatever
Speaker 1: hours day. That's not sustainable.
Speaker 3: There's Marvel actors that have a less rigorous workout regimen than.
Speaker 1: That, right, And you know, and that's the thing. We
Speaker 1: have these ideals that are not possible. So it's no
Speaker 1: wonder so many of us have body image issues, but
Speaker 1: for real for real. It was good. It was worth watching.
Speaker 1: Recommend We watched the new four seasons.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we binged that whole thing in one day.
Speaker 1: We did the whole thing. So eight episodes, one season
Speaker 1: based on the Allen Alda Carol Burnett movie. Audio made
Speaker 1: a cameo.
Speaker 3: Carol did not, No.
Speaker 1: But he did, bet Allan Olda did because he wrote it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure with the scheduling thing, yeah, but he wrote
Speaker 1: the four seasons, which was famously a movie with you know,
Speaker 1: Alan Alda and Carvernett and others and Sandy Dennis, who
Speaker 1: neither one of us can stand. Kind of not but anyway,
Speaker 1: it was interesting.
Speaker 3: The cast is fabulous, well done. Steve Carrell, Steve Carrell,
Speaker 3: will Forte, Coleman, Domingo, charming as a hell. I mean,
Speaker 3: of course he is. And the actor who played his
Speaker 3: Italian husband, I didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know him, but I love him. Great character,
Speaker 1: great portrayal. It was really well done. The first season
Speaker 1: was was worth watching. They left with a cliffhanger and
Speaker 1: apparently there will indeed be a second season.
Speaker 3: So and halfway through a like, why couldn't this have
Speaker 3: just been a movie? And then it occurred to me
Speaker 3: how much in depth they get into the relationships of
Speaker 3: each couple, right, So see, I'm like that's why.
Speaker 1: Right. So as a series, there are eight episodes, eight
Speaker 1: thirty minute episodes or mostly thirty minute. I don't know
Speaker 1: if the last one was a little longer or whatever,
Speaker 1: but eight like half hour episodes basically, and two episodes
Speaker 1: per season. So we do spring, Summer, Fall, and then winter, right,
Speaker 1: and I look forward to season two. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the argument for making things a series
Speaker 3: as opposed to a one off movie, that you do
Speaker 3: get to get more in depth to the characters and relationships.
Speaker 1: And agreed. Yeah, So we did binge to other documentaries
Speaker 1: this weekend. The first was Sunday Best The Untold Story
Speaker 1: of Ed Sullivan, which was amazing, wasn't it good?
Speaker 3: And that was you You were like, let's watch this.
Speaker 1: Because it focused on you know, Ed Sullivan chose all
Speaker 1: of the acts for the twenty three years of his show,
Speaker 1: which and I told you I remember, you know, being
Speaker 1: in my footy pajamas watching Ed Sullivan on Sunday night,
Speaker 1: right because it was on until nineteen seventy one, so
Speaker 1: I actually have memory of the Odd Sullivan Show in color.
Speaker 1: But he was always supportive of black talent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they kept trying to tell him to stop
Speaker 3: putting so many negroes on TV, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: fuck you, I'm gonna have more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he basically did you know, and had that
Speaker 1: sustainability all the way up until nineteen seventy one, which
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have Gladys Knight and the Pips, now what
Speaker 3: that's four right?
Speaker 1: He started it in the forties. Yeah, the big the
Speaker 1: on set of television, he was there and he did
Speaker 1: then you know, Harry Belavante and little Stevie Wonder and yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many.
Speaker 3: So many major cultural moments happened on the Ed Sullivan Show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mm hmm. Bill Robinson bow tangles. Yes, Bill Robinson
Speaker 1: was on the show.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what they talked.
Speaker 1: He was part of his funeral and yeah, they were friends.
Speaker 3: And in the early parts of The Ed Sullivan Show,
Speaker 3: he gave a platform to a lot of former vaudeville performers.
Speaker 1: Because that was his his people, they were his people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he he said television was just suited to vaudeville performers,
Speaker 1: you know, the variety acts.
Speaker 3: We need to go back to variety shows.
Speaker 1: I agree, But that's what happened in like the early seventies,
Speaker 1: because I remember it was, you know, the Joey Heatherton Show,
Speaker 1: and the Tony Orlando and Dawn Show, and Sonny and
Speaker 1: Cher and oh god, so many others like it became
Speaker 1: a big thing about the time as Sullivan was losing ratings.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the old the Old Man.
Speaker 3: The last time I remember.
Speaker 1: It's been seventy when his show stopped.
Speaker 3: Maya Rudolph had a one night only variety show special
Speaker 3: on TV. This was probably at least ten years ago,
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking, this is so wonderful. Why don't
Speaker 3: we do this all the time? And I was praying
Speaker 3: that this was going to be like a recurring thing
Speaker 3: this one time.
Speaker 1: I mean, Carol Burnett truly was a variety show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing, you know, and she started in the sixties.
Speaker 1: I love the Carol Burnette Show. But you know, so
Speaker 1: there were all these He was the only game in
Speaker 1: town for a long time. Yeah, and he had audiences
Speaker 1: of what was that, thirty five to fifty million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because when you think about, you know, just a few channels, and.
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to do when I was
Speaker 3: producing the etcetera show, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Exactly was variety.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it really good, really interesting, well done. It was
Speaker 1: television history.
Speaker 3: And then again, like I said, I didn't realize how
Speaker 3: many major cultural moments moments happened on the.
Speaker 1: Exultation absolutely absolutely yep, worth absolutely worth the watch on Netflix, Yes,
Speaker 1: and the last one on Netflix. God damn it, I
Speaker 1: know left us with questions the truth about Jesse Smallett. Yep,
Speaker 1: how about it.
Speaker 3: I might have to take back some of the mean
Speaker 3: things I have said about mister Smollett on this show.
Speaker 1: Not as cut and dried as we kind of assumed
Speaker 1: jumped on that bandwagon. Then it was there is some
Speaker 1: evidence or at least certainly questions and very legitimate questions
Speaker 1: about his story actually being factual, and the Chicago Police creating.
Speaker 3: The narrative which they have history you're doing.
Speaker 1: And and the brothers seeking to capitalize on the moment.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it was like the evidence to refute his
Speaker 3: story came out way quick.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it was right and then got kind
Speaker 1: of pushed aside and and the video, there's there's ten
Speaker 1: seconds of video missing, right, and it's.
Speaker 3: And allegedly that's what supports Jesse's star.
Speaker 1: Right as a hotel clerk who swore he saw a
Speaker 1: white man.
Speaker 3: Run by and a white woman. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: white woman, who went on.
Speaker 1: To oh yeah different. Yeah, but I'm saying different different.
Speaker 1: She lived in the same building. She said she saw
Speaker 1: a white guy who who had rope on him somehow,
Speaker 1: hanging by the door before Jesse went out. But not
Speaker 1: to conflate those things. The security guard at the hotel
Speaker 1: said he saw this white dude run past, right, And
Speaker 1: there's video from inside the hotel, and it's there's ten
Speaker 1: seconds missing, right, and it's exactly the ten seconds when
Speaker 1: the person ran by, because apparently they were he said,
Speaker 1: it was obvious who they were. And then there's another
Speaker 1: piece of video that shows someone who is clearly not
Speaker 1: one of those very dark skinned the brothers right, clearly
Speaker 1: not him, right, or either of them.
Speaker 3: Right. It might the video might not be easily identifiable
Speaker 3: as a white person, but it's definitely not either one
Speaker 3: of those people.
Speaker 1: It is not a dark skinned black person. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was interesting on a lot of levels, and even
Speaker 1: the filmmaker kind of approached the project assuming he was
Speaker 1: guilty and assuming he had made this, which he has
Speaker 1: always maintained his innocence.
Speaker 3: Yes he has.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Watch it and see if you don't
Speaker 1: have questions at the end, because I do. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I wondered.
Speaker 3: One of the things in the media playbook, and it
Speaker 3: happens most often with women and people of color. They
Speaker 3: will try to make you look crazy.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: They do. If they want to refute your story, one
Speaker 3: of the first things they do is make you look crazy.
Speaker 1: Or help you to wonder if you are right.
Speaker 3: And so I will have to officially say that it's
Speaker 3: looking more and more like there's more to more truth
Speaker 3: on Jesse smallt side, in which case I would have
Speaker 3: to say I formally apologize for all the mean things
Speaker 3: I said about you, calling you a liar and a
Speaker 3: problematic faggot or whatever the hell I said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know enough to be that ten toes
Speaker 3: down in the opinion that I took.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a compelling argument. It is that he
Speaker 1: was telling the truth and this was fabricated, at least
Speaker 1: in part. You know, and we were willing participants in fiction.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, you know, I guess, or we won't.
Speaker 1: But I left with serious questions and I thought I
Speaker 1: had my mind made up, but I said, that's well.
Speaker 3: The first thing that made my eyebrow ut was like
Speaker 3: the fact that Jesse Smallett was actually physically being interviewed
Speaker 3: on camera for this particularly.
Speaker 1: That's why I figured that there had to be at
Speaker 1: least some balance to it or he was going to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I made it up for whatever reason, right, And that
Speaker 1: is not what happened at all, but definitely worth watching
Speaker 1: and watching it as it unfolds and they talk about
Speaker 1: the you know, people who were involved and where they
Speaker 1: are today, you know, so worth the time.
Speaker 3: And real real quick. So going back to Jesse Smallett
Speaker 3: physically being on camera, one thing I didn't I like
Speaker 3: about the the Ed Sullivan documentary is they used AI
Speaker 3: to reproduce his voice to narrate the documentary some of it.
Speaker 3: I hate that. Why can't they just get some I mean,
Speaker 3: I know why AIO takes the jobs of human people,
Speaker 3: but like, get someone to narrate the documentary.
Speaker 1: Just have a narrator so that I mean they were
Speaker 1: trying to put his they were his words. Yes, they
Speaker 1: were just trying, and it was clear that the voice
Speaker 1: wasn't quite his right, so you knew when it was
Speaker 1: the AI voice.
Speaker 3: But it's like when you have someone narrating the story
Speaker 3: and then when you actually use clips from Ed Sullivan,
Speaker 3: it makes his voice pop out more. It was a
Speaker 3: little too seamless. Anyway, that's my only thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, But they didn't do that with I mean, they
Speaker 1: did do some recreation, but.
Speaker 3: Just like that boy band thing we watched where they
Speaker 3: ai the whole performance of the one guy that the
Speaker 3: documentary was about.
Speaker 1: I don't know you hated it, okay. Anyway, well there
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: Probably why we didn't.
Speaker 3: Talk about it what we did at the time, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: probably why I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I try to b lock out things I hate. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a Sunday. We're recording on August the twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: and we have a spaghetti dinner to put together and
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