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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What What's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 3>Than what?

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, we got

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<v Speaker 2>a returning guest, Absidari and Mott. We had him on

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<v Speaker 2>before and I actually, you know, really enjoyed our talk

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<v Speaker 2>and I had these two gentlemen with me as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to get us back together and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>talk about something else. And uh, you know, I figured

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<v Speaker 2>alchemy is always a good topic, especially of us. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us are kind of interested in

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<v Speaker 2>that thing, alchemy in itself. And uh yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 2>got Gin the Ninja back with us. Jin what is up?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much and let everybody know what the

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<v Speaker 2>deal is and though who you are, where they can

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<v Speaker 2>find you.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, Nick, and thank you Absidarian, Mott

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<v Speaker 1>and Robbie.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm Jim and Ninja. I have a show called

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<v Speaker 1>Rushold Saints. I'm often with Nick on oo reject It's

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<v Speaker 1>not always, but frequently, and I've been doing a five

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<v Speaker 1>part series on Twitter Spaces called The Aon of the Daughter,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a plus ultra series is what.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm calling it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a speculative ontology of the history of magic

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of where we're going into the future. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's sort of what I have been working on lately.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have an episode with KB Goldtooth, who is

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<v Speaker 1>like a personal friend, a journalist, really cool guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>he looks a lot at Laurel Canyon and Bowie and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the magic behind the lyrics, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about the.

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<v Speaker 4>Magic of the media.

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<v Speaker 1>So that episode will drop either right after this or

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow and more or it will drop by the time

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<v Speaker 1>this comes out. So thank you guys for having me,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, really looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, sir, appreciate you. What was jumping on, Robbie,

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<v Speaker 2>Marx my man. Please let everybody how you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks for having me on, Nick, It's good to

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<v Speaker 3>hang out here with everyone. And generally I go by

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<v Speaker 3>our mars. I'm an artist and I do posters for

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<v Speaker 3>bands and miscellaneous festivals and stuff, but in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 3>I research and kind of dig into a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the esoteric and occult kind of subject I've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>that for a while and as a result of that,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got my own podcast, which is other shows I've

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<v Speaker 3>been on, which is the metamind cast if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to check that out. But you can find all my

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<v Speaker 3>links at our what is it link tree r m

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<v Speaker 3>A r X link tree r marx and that'll pull

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<v Speaker 3>up all my stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Thank you very much, Robbie. And you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>been a guest on here for a long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's done a lot of work on this show, so

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can even again it's so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be on his podcast, so but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>go check it out over there. He has done a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of work on this show. And this must be

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<v Speaker 2>a break for him actually coming on and jumping on

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<v Speaker 2>with another guest, because normally it's him like reading out

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<v Speaker 2>of his book for two hours.

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<v Speaker 3>It's somewhere and focusing on the art.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true, that's true. That is true. And now

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<v Speaker 2>our guests Absidarian Mott, sir, let everybody know what you

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<v Speaker 2>deal is again please, Well.

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<v Speaker 5>Good night, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm an esoteric researcher, practicing mystic I go pretty deep

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<v Speaker 5>into both the Eastern and Western traditions, going to aerodyite research,

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<v Speaker 5>not that surface level armchair you know, over intellectualizing stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>But I really go into you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>to I focus on the key figures and their teachers,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, I really enjoy esoteric research. You can find

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<v Speaker 5>me on link tree that absidarian and my patreon specializes

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<v Speaker 5>in a lot of esoteric research. Monthly, I share a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of esoteric links and PDFs. Some of that stuff

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<v Speaker 5>I can't even share on social media just you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like if you're on Facebook or Instagram, you just can't

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<v Speaker 5>share the links. So there's a lot of occult and

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<v Speaker 5>esoteric deep dives links and PDFs and my on my

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<v Speaker 5>patreon also you can find me across social media and yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>just looking forward to a good show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, sir. I will include everybody's links

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom. Yeah, so tonight we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about alchemy. And I was gonna guess kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe go around the room and ask, you know, what

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's idea of alchemy is. For me, I'll start with myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I do wonder if there is like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly something with actually you know, physical metals and manipulating it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm sure that's you know, possible in some ways,

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<v Speaker 2>but for myself, I do kind of look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, from the occultist angle. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's could be so many different things. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think sometimes at the center of it it is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about possible like spiritual change or even a change within

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's physical body due to magic, you know, having a

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<v Speaker 2>magical experience. But uh, yeah, I mean, I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's multiple different layers of what alchemy could really be.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the spiritual, is it the physical, or is

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<v Speaker 2>it actually changing like you know, you know, metals. I

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<v Speaker 2>do think that sometimes when it is talked about, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be all three of those or maybe just one

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<v Speaker 2>or two of them. That's my opinion of alchemy, and

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<v Speaker 2>it probably really doesn't help, you know, just make some

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<v Speaker 2>more complicated. But that's how I look at it now. Jen,

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<v Speaker 2>If you just wanted to get an idea of, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what do you think about with alchemy and stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, so, I'm actually really glad that you went ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of me, Nic, because I think that in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of build off of each other in our ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a tantric Buddhist so as a but so

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<v Speaker 1>as a tonic Buddhist. I agree that there are three

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<v Speaker 1>layers or a tripartite sort of shift in reality, which

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<v Speaker 1>also matches metallurgical alchemy. So I would also say that

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<v Speaker 1>metallurgical alchemy is kind of maybe the base art or

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<v Speaker 1>the base science. And then there's the transmutation of the

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<v Speaker 1>physical body, so that would be like the inner layer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the secret layer, you could say, is a

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<v Speaker 1>transmutation and consciousness. So I think it's all of those

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<v Speaker 1>three things. And then also with single pointedness, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something that we talk a lot about. Crowley also talk

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss this idea. But it's a Buddhist idea of

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<v Speaker 1>having a consciousness that pierces the three worlds, so your mind, body,

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<v Speaker 1>and speech are all together pointed in sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>great work, I guess you could say.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I think it's that is alchemy rather.

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<v Speaker 6>Than the individual components or the individual mechanisms, is putting

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<v Speaker 6>all of it together and then you know, going to

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<v Speaker 6>another place basically.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's sort of my idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for that. It's very interesting. It made me

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<v Speaker 2>think about a few things. I appreciate that, uh Miter Marx,

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<v Speaker 2>Robbie Marx.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it's interesting in regard to the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, manifesting change as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the the change of the metamorphosis of the self, the

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<v Speaker 3>olchemical rainbow that basically produces those changes. But along with that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and gen you were talking about the macro,

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<v Speaker 3>the internal, but then you also have the micro or

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<v Speaker 3>the macro you're talking about the micro, you have the

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<v Speaker 3>macro aspects of all those symbols being interrelated as far

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<v Speaker 3>as even within the heavens and using all those elements

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<v Speaker 3>in coordination with one another to basically reduce down and

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<v Speaker 3>try to bring forth that you know, medicine to heal

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<v Speaker 3>all souls or you know, the philosopher's stone. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of a cosmic as well as an inner working,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, environmentally and circumstantially, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I I totally agree with that, Robbie.

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<v Speaker 2>That was very well side. Thank you so Absintian. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it was I kind of like your idea of

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<v Speaker 2>a topic. Where would you like to start it? Where

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<v Speaker 2>do you think would be important, you know, to start

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<v Speaker 5>So I was thinking, you know what, the origins I'm

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<v Speaker 5>pretty interested in the origins of the emerald tablet and

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<v Speaker 5>also just curious everyone's feedback on that, because there's you know,

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<v Speaker 5>that's such a big topic and I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 5>figure out out the origins of that with the Arabic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, just the original language allegedly wasn't Phoenician.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you guys heard anything about the

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<v Speaker 5>original language of what it was written on. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you also have the links with Enoch and the Bible

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<v Speaker 5>preserving the knowledge on on two stone tablets, which is

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<v Speaker 5>also linked to freemasonry, you know, the pillars. So just

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<v Speaker 5>I think em Emerald tablet, it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Great Yeah, the Emerald Tablet. I mean, you get into

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<v Speaker 3>some of the mythology of that and in regard to

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<v Speaker 3>it being a stone that was handed down from the

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<v Speaker 3>heavens with angelic, I've seen angelic language. I've also seen

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<v Speaker 3>adversely that it was part of the crown of Lucifer

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<v Speaker 3>that was not loose and basically but you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>and there's the difference of course between the Emerald Tablet,

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<v Speaker 3>which was translate it was lost and found and then

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<v Speaker 3>translated in a Greek school, and then you end up

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<v Speaker 3>with Isaac Newton with it, you know, basically doing a

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<v Speaker 3>further translation of it versus this modern emerald tablets of

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<v Speaker 3>the Culton Colorado.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Okay, I guess I'll take it after that,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Robbie. So I tend to be a Central Asianist,

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<v Speaker 1>and that I look at it as I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>to me, it doesn't matter conceptually where it came from.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the ideas, if you can translate them into

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<v Speaker 1>like even a more medieval language, I think that's actually

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<v Speaker 1>more interesting because then you can sort of that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that modern magicians can work with. But obviously I love

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<v Speaker 1>the mythology aspect because that's a lot of what I

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<v Speaker 1>also talk about in we're in complement to Robbie and

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<v Speaker 1>doing his long mythology series. So I feel like I

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<v Speaker 1>look at it in both ways. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the tontra was remixed in the you know, eighth till

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<v Speaker 1>twelfth century.

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<v Speaker 4>So this idea of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Emerald, it's very familiar to me in that in Joe Tisha,

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<v Speaker 1>which is tontric astrology or regular astrology Indian astrology, the

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<v Speaker 1>emerald is the stone of bood or mercury, and so

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<v Speaker 1>obviously if you're listening Bood Buddha, there's a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a soundscrat element of commonality, which means

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<v Speaker 1>the speech. So it's like this idea of like putting

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<v Speaker 1>your full will into the world, like very transmuting the

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<v Speaker 1>green into from jade. That's often how it's described in

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<v Speaker 1>contrac tests, like from jade, which is self luminous, so

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<v Speaker 1>light cannot pass through, but emerald light can pass through.

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<v Speaker 1>And so then there's also a relationship between blue and green.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you start to get this like nebulous thing

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<v Speaker 1>where blue green is the color of consciousness. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, like with the emerald tablet, you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>something that's perennial perhaps, but that has been reconstituted over

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Osyrus was also emerald green. His color was emerald green.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know if it's like a metaphor for

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably a decent part of the story or the

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<v Speaker 2>symbolism if you're to probably really understand like what the

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<v Speaker 2>Eumberald tablets are, But to me, I just felt like

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<v Speaker 2>over you know, the other stuff. So I never really

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting if you think about it conceptually

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<v Speaker 1>like Nick does, and then more materially like Robbie describes,

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<v Speaker 1>because in I think in the between those two things,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's why I was saying, I'm sure, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something to figure out and understand. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to kind of ask you, actually, Matt. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff, but like you know, and then that interested

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<v Speaker 2>like researching certain things brought you to this and you're

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<v Speaker 2>really interested in it, or did you like go searching

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<v Speaker 2>into like this type of stuff right a way when

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<v Speaker 2>once you heard about it?

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<v Speaker 5>So I came upon alchemy with my mystic background and

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<v Speaker 5>I understood it in the beginning was basically speeding up

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<v Speaker 5>the forces of nature. You know, there's transmutation off your

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<v Speaker 5>And uh, you know I got into self development in

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<v Speaker 5>in my twenties with meditation, going to the gym, just

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Yeah, Like for me, I think I kind

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<v Speaker 2>at it differently. Who was like, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you had mentioned earlier too about being able to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about like some of like I guess, the lesser known

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<v Speaker 2>people when it came to alchemy. Did you want to

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, certainly, so, I mean we talked a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>about Aluise Smilander and his his his background with their

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<v Speaker 5>German restcutions a little bit with Prestol that was his

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<v Speaker 5>his teacher and initiator. But you know, there's so many

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<v Speaker 5>interesting figures out. I don't know if anyone's heard of

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<v Speaker 5>Federick girl Galdi, an Italian alchemist in the sixteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 5>He declares himself of German origin, but information is not certain.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, showed up in Venice. But who did he

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<v Speaker 5>work with? He worked with Cagliostro to to to come

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<v Speaker 5>up with the Egyptian rights. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>background and history of you know, teachers of some of

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<v Speaker 5>the movers and shakers of the occult revival during that time,

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<v Speaker 5>with you know, Saint Germain, Cagliostro, the Golden Ros and Cruisers.

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<v Speaker 5>We also have Badder friends Vonn Badder who was he

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<v Speaker 5>Martinize de Pascuali, you know, the Martinist tradition. And one

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<v Speaker 5>and Jacob Frank groups kept coming up, uh throughout my

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<v Speaker 5>my deep research in the alchemy and some of the

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<v Speaker 5>movers and shakers and yeah, they keep coming up with

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<v Speaker 5>links and initiators and just let me see who I

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<v Speaker 5>could talk about. Well, we talked about Moltor last time. JB. Kernin,

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<v Speaker 5>just to recap, was freemason in the seventeen hundreds, and

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<v Speaker 5>he was a German opera singer, so you know, he

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<v Speaker 5>has a background with language and the word. So he

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<v Speaker 5>was into spiritual alchemy. So one of his students was Molotor.

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<v Speaker 5>Molotor is linked with the Asiatic Redan and that group

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<v Speaker 5>is definitely some Sabbathians. So I just found it very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I would not expect to find, of all any group

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<v Speaker 5>was that the Sabbathian presence or influence in the alchemy

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<v Speaker 5>of the seventeen hundreds. So I thought that was really interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh oh yeah, Samuel Jacob Falk, I'm sorry, this was

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<v Speaker 5>who initiated uh Cagliostro. Sorry, not GOLDI it was fulk

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<v Speaker 5>Samuel Jacob Falk initiated Cagliostro and they developed the Egyptian

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<v Speaker 5>right UH Cabalis. Is definitely a lot of interrelation between

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<v Speaker 5>the Kabbala and UH practicing alchemists of that time, which

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I as well found a lot of connection between

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<v Speaker 3>the early ecstatic Cabalis and the alchemists.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's an interesting subject right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it makes a lot of sense, right, Like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're working the sufferer, there's planetary metals, gemstones. Right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>a map, It's just just it's a It's an oncological

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<v Speaker 1>map for your experiences. So if someone, if you hear

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<v Speaker 1>another magician described in experience, you can in your mind

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of see it move through the paths

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<v Speaker 1>where they went with their experience. That's why I think

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<v Speaker 1>why people are so drawn to it. And plus it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like the tree is in a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 1>like more than obviously it's in my opinion, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's in Catholicism. I think it's in Greek Orthodoxy. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's so inherent to so many things. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when once you recognize those things, you then can realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I can use it. Even though we may not even

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<v Speaker 1>speak the same language, we can still relate through the

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<v Speaker 1>tree these ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Certainly, it's definitely a universal system.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing I did, what kind of want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>these alchemists that you're you know, also talking about was

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<v Speaker 2>there anything that like specifically that they might have like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of we're known, like maybe an opinion or a

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<v Speaker 2>theory or something that that left like an impact among

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<v Speaker 2>like the alchemy community.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, certainly. One second. Let me just well, I guess

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<v Speaker 5>I could talk more about Jacob Bame. Jacob Bam, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>he was German mystic sixteen hundreds late, you know, late

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen hundreds into sixteen hundreds, so he had a big

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<v Speaker 5>influence with spiritual alchemy with some forerunners of his was

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<v Speaker 5>like Jane Lead, the Christian mystic in England, and Jacob

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<v Speaker 5>Bame is some of his illustrations that were taken upon

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<v Speaker 5>by the publisher Frankenburg, Abraham Frankenburg. He was a close associate.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of his illustrations formed a lot of the

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<v Speaker 5>teachings of later spiritual groups like the Golden Dawn, of

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<v Speaker 5>all all groups that I wouldn't have expected my research,

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, wow, there's some some links into Jacob

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<v Speaker 5>Bame influencing the early teachings and writings of the Golden Dawn.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a lot of Roa secrution groups, so a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of his work, you know, shows up in places you

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't even think to see it. So Jacob Bame, I

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<v Speaker 5>looking at the history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually don't know too much about that, that

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<v Speaker 2>man at all. So did you know anything about it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I maybe crossed the name, but I'm unawares.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, So just real quick with the Emilt Tallett

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<v Speaker 5>that's basically a translation one of the translations from the

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<v Speaker 5>sixteenth hundreds. Why, I think it's important because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was important to source the original or close to

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<v Speaker 5>the original writings or translations to get the essence of

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<v Speaker 5>the message. And you could see it in that in

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<v Speaker 5>that early translation. This was he tried to translate it

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<v Speaker 5>from the Phoenician, you know, so that and that his theory.

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<v Speaker 5>This was Wilhelm Christoph Kriegsman sixteen thirty three to sixteen

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<v Speaker 5>seventy nine. I believe that the original Emerald tablet was

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<v Speaker 5>written in Phoenician. So he did an amazing translation and

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<v Speaker 5>you'll see, you'll see the essence from that. But so

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<v Speaker 5>Jacob Bame, Yeah, so Jacob Bam. He was a really

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<v Speaker 5>big Christian mystic and the philosopher's stone to him was

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<v Speaker 5>finding Christ in the center, this center if you're being.

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<v Speaker 5>And this shows up with the letter mysticism of like JB.

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<v Speaker 5>Kernin I leuis mylander. It's the letter mysticism, which is

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<v Speaker 5>which is a big top topic in it in itself,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's related to the Hermetic tradition, you know, Hermes,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with with letters and language and the word

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<v Speaker 5>so that so you know, that's that's a big link

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<v Speaker 5>to the spiritual alchemy, is the letter mysticism. And speaking

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, the letter mysticism, hermeis if you take

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<v Speaker 5>if you look at Hermes for example, Hermes, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and then you look at the hiram of of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the Freemo Masonic tradition. If you take away the vowels,

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<v Speaker 5>you get the root h r M Herms. You know that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know when you take out the vowels. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>like that's some some information there. So I saw some

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<v Speaker 5>insights with the letter mysticism, is what I'm trying to say.

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<v Speaker 5>spiritual alchemy by study mean, you know, names and and

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<v Speaker 5>and the letters and the relationship between the vowels and

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<v Speaker 5>the consonants. So Jacob Bain was into that, and you

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<v Speaker 5>know it continued with JB. Kernan who taught alphabet mysticism.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the power of you know, intne in vowels

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<v Speaker 5>or consonants and different parts of your body until you

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<v Speaker 5>get like a Q, you know, a spiritual Q. It's

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<v Speaker 5>like you know, theorgy. You know, it's just communion with

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<v Speaker 5>the divine until you get a signed to the next

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<v Speaker 5>step and then you keep you know, you keep keep

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<v Speaker 5>going with spiritual progress like that. So that's what they

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<v Speaker 5>mysticism and a really cool aspect of spiritual alchemy. If

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<v Speaker 5>if you ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, when you take the intonation of the vowels, they

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<v Speaker 3>were generally looked at as they could him. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you go back to Egypt, it was actually the hymn

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<v Speaker 3>of Osiris, which later you know, influenced the singing spheres

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<v Speaker 3>of Pythagoras.

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<v Speaker 5>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>M Well, I'll just offer this quickly, is that in

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<v Speaker 1>in countrac Buddhism we well also this is also true

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<v Speaker 1>for Shruvig, So I'll say that, but.

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<v Speaker 4>We have the spheres are inside of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this is also a cabalistic idea, especially later Kabala,

428
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<v Speaker 1>but the octivation of the three primary spheres, so what

429
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<v Speaker 1>would be the crown, the throat, and the heart center,

430
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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of an inverted sphere in our in

431
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<v Speaker 1>our consumption anyway, So to activate those red, white, and

432
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<v Speaker 1>blue or white excuse me, white, red, and blue in

433
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<v Speaker 1>that order, that would be you say the bija. But

434
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<v Speaker 1>then there's also a visualization of the bija, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the syllable that goes along with the recitation. So I

436
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<v Speaker 1>think that's really interesting and one of the the whole

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why they sort of created contract

438
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<v Speaker 1>Buddhism was to purify the sandscript from the original data.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Is like it's to purify it into a new ritual language.

440
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<v Speaker 1>So one of the reasons why I think it's it

441
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<v Speaker 1>starts to differ is this idea that you talk about

442
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<v Speaker 1>Robbie with Nimrod and like how the languages sort of

443
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<v Speaker 1>shifted and they kind of moved away from each other.

444
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<v Speaker 1>But then there's these other traditions that are like, let's

445
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<v Speaker 1>see what we can do, let's play with the language

446
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<v Speaker 1>and then like remake it into our own liturgical things.

447
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<v Speaker 1>So that's sort of what I was reminded of when

448
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<v Speaker 1>you were speaking well.

449
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<v Speaker 3>And also within ritual magic, you have words that go

450
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<v Speaker 3>back to these original deities. And at one point even

451
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<v Speaker 3>they went to the Sibling Prophecy prophet tests and asked

452
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<v Speaker 3>if they should re paying those names or if they

453
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<v Speaker 3>should change them, and she said to keep the ancient

454
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<v Speaker 3>names because the intonation of those names are what basically

455
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<v Speaker 3>inflected and brought forth, you know, the power and and

456
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<v Speaker 3>those like you were saying jen as far as those

457
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<v Speaker 3>internal spheres being within you, yeah, you're definitely activating different

458
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<v Speaker 3>points within your body through these different letters. And then

459
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<v Speaker 3>the underground city that they found there over in Phoenicia

460
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<v Speaker 3>that goes you know, the multiple levels underground, like you know,

461
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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirty levels underground. There's one specific room in that

462
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<v Speaker 3>city that has a chamber that you can put your

463
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<v Speaker 3>head in and it's made just at that right height

464
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<v Speaker 3>and you base it with the humming of the e vow.

465
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<v Speaker 3>You can activate a spiritual experience in that chamber just

466
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<v Speaker 3>by sticking your head. It's like a is in a chamber,

467
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<v Speaker 3>you know. So it's interesting how through time, you know,

468
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<v Speaker 3>we've always sought out these ways to elevate the consciousness

469
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<v Speaker 3>through you know, the machine that is the body.

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<v Speaker 4>Well one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so interesting too because in one of our

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<v Speaker 1>one of the so after you sort of practice Buddhism

473
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<v Speaker 1>contract prism for a while, you then may get a

474
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<v Speaker 1>practice where you have to hold what is called a

475
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<v Speaker 1>ganta or a bell and so but this is a

476
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<v Speaker 1>little more advanced. But I mean that it's interesting to

477
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<v Speaker 1>think about that. The bell is also a euphemism for

478
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<v Speaker 1>the female consort, but it's it's not about sex, like

479
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Nick always says this. It's like just because a magician

480
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<v Speaker 1>talks about sex, doesn't mean that's what it's about, right,

481
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<v Speaker 1>It's just a metaphor. So that's what that's what the

482
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<v Speaker 1>bell is. It's like it's the consort, but it's also

483
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<v Speaker 1>the sound. So it's like something else besides yourself, besides

484
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<v Speaker 1>your own consciousness, pervading outward into the world and also

485
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<v Speaker 1>coming towards.

486
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<v Speaker 3>You, like an inter exchange.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly the dialectrical and or separate hol right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I definitely think there's something behind with vibrating

489
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<v Speaker 2>those like even in a lesser ritual of the Pentagram

490
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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the hexagram and all, you know, all

491
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<v Speaker 2>those rituals that like the Golden Dorm or the Oto

492
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<v Speaker 2>will use, they always have you vibrate you know, certain

493
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<v Speaker 2>god names, and they like, really Strawley really stressed doing that.

494
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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like exhaustion, you know, So you know, I

495
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<v Speaker 2>figured there was something behind that with that, I don't know,

496
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<v Speaker 2>you know. And again, like even even with mantras sometimes

497
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<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, people the way they do mantras,

498
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<v Speaker 2>I would be like it's almost like I feel like

499
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<v Speaker 2>you're just kind of like over and over again, just

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<v Speaker 2>vibrating the same sort of thing throughout your body. I

501
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<v Speaker 2>would wonder that's got to do something to you, right, Yeah, yeah,

502
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<v Speaker 2>well that's.

503
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's like your beginner contric practice is like

504
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<v Speaker 1>the recitation of names. So you do the Nama jappas,

505
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<v Speaker 1>and then you also do the which are usually one

506
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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eight in number, which may sound odd to

507
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<v Speaker 1>the Western magician, but if you think about it, seventy

508
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.839
<v Speaker 1>two is nine and one oh eight is also nine,

509
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<v Speaker 1>so there's clearly an inter relationship there, right, And then

510
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>your beads are also one hundred and eight usually most

511
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<v Speaker 1>of the time, maybe not always. And then then after

512
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<v Speaker 1>you graduate, you start doing the syllables. So that's exactly

513
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<v Speaker 1>what Nick said. It's like you're cycling through them and

514
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<v Speaker 1>you want to do as many rotations on the rosary

515
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<v Speaker 1>as possible, and sometimes you have to do hundreds of

516
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<v Speaker 1>thousands of recitations before you can graduate sort of move

517
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<v Speaker 1>up the ladder or whatever. So yeah, it's like it

518
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<v Speaker 1>to do it to exhaustion is actually considered to be

519
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<v Speaker 1>really powerful for your lungs because the metaphor they give

520
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<v Speaker 1>is the air is like a wind horse. It's like

521
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<v Speaker 1>a Tibetan wind horse. So it's like a horse that

522
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<v Speaker 1>flies on the wind. And so when you're doing it properly,

523
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<v Speaker 1>there's supposed to be like a clicking sound up through

524
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<v Speaker 1>your lungs, and then it kind of clicks, and that's

525
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<v Speaker 1>considered to be like the whos of the horse riding

526
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<v Speaker 1>on the wind, So you're sturgling and channeling it through.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, can I just add up about you know, we're

528
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<v Speaker 5>basically talking about mystical concentration, right, So in the yoga traditions,

529
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<v Speaker 5>there's three layers of the mystical concentration. Dhurana is concentration

530
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<v Speaker 5>is if you're able to hold your mind and concentrate

531
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<v Speaker 5>on a subject for twelve seconds. And then the second

532
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<v Speaker 5>stage is danana, which means meditation. It equals to twelve

533
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<v Speaker 5>durana's times twelve seconds, which is one hundred and forty

534
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<v Speaker 5>four seconds, meaning if be able to concentrate on a

535
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<v Speaker 5>subject or image or mantra for one hundred and forty

536
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<v Speaker 5>for one hundred and forty four seconds without in mind wandering,

537
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<v Speaker 5>that's jana. No, that's meditation. And then the third stage

538
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<v Speaker 5>it's called samadi, which is twelve djananas times one hundred

539
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<v Speaker 5>and forty four seconds, which equals twenty eight minutes and

540
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<v Speaker 5>forty eight seconds. That means you attain somebodi. If you're

541
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<v Speaker 5>able to concentrate on something for twenty eight minutes, that's

542
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 5>that's an initiate. That's an adept right, that's not a

543
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 5>neo fighter or a low level someone just starting off

544
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<v Speaker 5>with the wandering mind, the monkey mind. So I thought

545
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<v Speaker 5>that was an interesting key insight there.

546
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And in Samadi states are quite interesting.

547
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<v Speaker 5>In regard to.

548
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<v Speaker 3>The amount of information that the body is able to

549
00:33:53.039 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 3>intake and the equitable flow between both sides and entering

550
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<v Speaker 3>into a state of of you know, seeing the whole

551
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>negative and positive as both positive and negative.

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<v Speaker 7>It's uh yeah, well it's interesting or abi that you

553
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<v Speaker 7>say that, because Samadi fire is in tantra, this is

554
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<v Speaker 7>specifically a contric thing.

555
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<v Speaker 1>But Samadi fire is heatless, right, It's a pristine wisdom fire.

556
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<v Speaker 1>So it's a heatless fire, very alchemical, but it also

557
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<v Speaker 1>has that quality of heat like tumo, like building your

558
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>body respiration and you're breathing, so you're breathing goes up

559
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's however, many counts. I mean, I'm not as

560
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<v Speaker 1>Ouggen practitioner, but yeah, they do this and they will.

561
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<v Speaker 1>And so I think even the idea of firewalking, like

562
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.519
<v Speaker 1>when you see like Taipusam or one of the festivals

563
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<v Speaker 1>devoted to Shiva or one of his sons, you will

564
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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of the coal walking and firewalking. And

565
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<v Speaker 1>Kashiva has a nature of agony, that nature of fire

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<v Speaker 1>from one of his faces. So I think that that

567
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<v Speaker 1>is is a lot. It's like can you overcome You

568
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.559
<v Speaker 1>have to overcome an element of yourself. So there's like

569
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<v Speaker 1>three layers of somebodi as well. So I think that's

570
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<v Speaker 1>also relational to like how the three worlds or the

571
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<v Speaker 1>three properties of matter, the three you know, like ice, water,

572
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<v Speaker 1>and vapor. Like, I think it's all it's that's very

573
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<v Speaker 1>interrelated to like what somebody is and why it's so

574
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<v Speaker 1>hard to sort of describe it across traditions because I

575
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<v Speaker 1>think it's so complicated and there's different stages of it.

576
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<v Speaker 1>So what it appears from the outside observer is not

577
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<v Speaker 1>exactly maybe pure somebody, but there's like a you know,

578
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>a partiality or something, but the other person doesn't necessarily

579
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<v Speaker 1>understand that there's multiple components.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Jim, any uh anything anybody wanted to talk

581
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<v Speaker 2>about and bring up specifically? Anything else? What else did you?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absiderian?

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, the stages of alchemy with with the colors.

585
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<v Speaker 5>I thought that was interesting. The colors albedo, which is white,

586
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 5>rubetto red and then I'm sorry, it starts with negretto, black,

587
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.760
<v Speaker 5>Alberto white, then rubetto red. So you got black, white,

588
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.000
<v Speaker 5>and red, you know, like black Saturn, the dark knighted soul,

589
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 5>the lead white you know, purification related to the moon,

590
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.599
<v Speaker 5>and then red. You know, what has to do with

591
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.400
<v Speaker 5>the blood, and I thought it was interesting in the

592
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<v Speaker 5>correlation with Mylanders spiritual alchemy and which was taught throughout

593
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<v Speaker 5>the tradition, that there was three baptisms. There was the

594
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<v Speaker 5>baptism of water in the beginning, the beginning of the

595
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 5>spiritual life, your your entrance into connecting with the astralight

596
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 5>with water, spiritual dreams, the begining of a new life.

597
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.840
<v Speaker 5>Then you had the baptism of blood, your transmutation of

598
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.039
<v Speaker 5>the end of the body from you know, the electromagnetic

599
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 5>you know currency in your blood. It's really powerful. And

600
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<v Speaker 5>then lastly baptism by fire, which is one attains the

601
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.679
<v Speaker 5>word you know, you're so yeah. So those are the

602
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<v Speaker 5>three baptisms that many mystics allude to in their writings,

603
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 5>like Jane Jane Lead alludes to it JB. Kernan, But

604
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<v Speaker 5>Mylander is one of the most popular teachers in modern

605
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<v Speaker 5>times of of this this aspect of the spiritual alchemy.

606
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<v Speaker 3>The three baptisms. When you trace that back, you actually

607
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 3>see that the mystery schools, the Frygian mystery schools, coming

608
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<v Speaker 3>right all the way up to Mithras or Mythris. Basically,

609
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<v Speaker 3>those are the three baptisms through the various stages of

610
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<v Speaker 3>initiation that you you know, proceed through as well.

611
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<v Speaker 1>I also think it's interesting that some of the alchemists

612
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<v Speaker 1>like them, especially the medieval, but then the later more

613
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<v Speaker 1>practical practical we'll call them practical magicians, who were looking

614
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<v Speaker 1>at the older alchemy, they couldn't decide the order like that.

615
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<v Speaker 1>They some of them had to slight disagreements in the order.

616
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<v Speaker 1>And then also some people added the citronaitis or the

617
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.000
<v Speaker 1>fourth sort of golden thing, and then they couldn't decide

618
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<v Speaker 1>if that went between black and red or red and black,

619
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<v Speaker 1>or white and red. And so I think there's something

620
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<v Speaker 1>really interesting there because in tantra We, the saying is

621
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<v Speaker 1>is that red always transmutes into gold in terms of iconography,

622
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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like what I if a deity is

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<v Speaker 1>pictured like that. So I'll give an example like Vadrioghini.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes she is understood not necessarily depicted as gold, but

625
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<v Speaker 1>she is understood as gold even though she's depicted as red.

626
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<v Speaker 1>So we always like know that it's all is the

627
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<v Speaker 1>transformation from from right into gold. But it's interesting that

628
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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't decide and then all the different the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the different names like Christianity is a more of

630
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<v Speaker 1>a three name tradition, and then Judaism they say, is

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<v Speaker 1>like the fore name the i Hovah.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so it's like the fore name tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody kind of has these disagreements theologically of like

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<v Speaker 1>how many stages there are, how many names there are?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And it's interesting, you know when you read and

636
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<v Speaker 3>I've read some Asian alchemists in China that you know,

637
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<v Speaker 3>there's the the metaphysical idea of doing this within yourself

638
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<v Speaker 3>to turn to fashion your spirit into the idea of

639
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 3>the pure you know, gold per se. But then you

640
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 3>know you have the the other aspect where they're physically

641
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.280
<v Speaker 3>trying to make this medicine to extend their life, to

642
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<v Speaker 3>cure their ills, to do and you know when when

643
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<v Speaker 3>you go from the negreto being the black the primum materia,

644
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<v Speaker 3>and then you burn it off, you purify it, you

645
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<v Speaker 3>separate out the oils from the salts through the white vase,

646
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<v Speaker 3>and then you take the oils and that you've that

647
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<v Speaker 3>you've you know, drawn out of this uh this uh

648
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<v Speaker 3>negreto through purification, and you take those oils and you

649
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>recrystallize them into you know, the Philosopher's Stone. So you know,

650
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<v Speaker 3>there's been this idea of it being something to and

651
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<v Speaker 3>like Cagliostro as far as the mythos of you know,

652
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<v Speaker 3>this guy walking through Europe, who was it Edward Bulward

653
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<v Speaker 3>Lytton that that wrote that book about him that you know,

654
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 3>he's basically popping up hundreds of years, but he you know,

655
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<v Speaker 3>and he had given somebody a small piece of the

656
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 3>red Stone, you know that he and refined and you

657
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 3>just get these stories, you know, and it's the uh,

658
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 3>the physical material aspects of you know, prolonging the life

659
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 3>versus the internal work of like the Kristin Rosenkrutz, basically

660
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<v Speaker 3>working to achieve that purity of the pure Christ within themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, No, I totally agree with you, Robbie.

662
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<v Speaker 1>I think that the thing is with Chinese alchemy is

663
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<v Speaker 1>that was in particular. But I think that Daoism is

664
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<v Speaker 1>sort of an indigenous dharma. That's sort of how I've

665
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<v Speaker 1>been looking at it. And I think a lot of

666
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<v Speaker 1>the Tibet writers would are not excusing autist writers. I

667
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<v Speaker 1>think many of the Chinese writers would agree. Now there

668
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 1>was there contention, is it the same thing exactly? No,

669
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<v Speaker 1>But I think that there is enough of a dialogue,

670
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<v Speaker 1>enough of an understanding that, yeah, Daoism is kind of

671
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<v Speaker 1>a novel dharma. So I think that there are some

672
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<v Speaker 1>Daoists who were talking about like the physical alchemical or

673
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<v Speaker 1>like medicine making stage. Obviously Quicksilver has a lot to

674
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>do with that. Cinemar and like, yeah, yeah, one hundred

675
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<v Speaker 1>percent of especially for Chinese, which is interesting because Gava

676
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<v Speaker 1>lead mars like you not lead mars.

677
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<v Speaker 5>Read.

678
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<v Speaker 1>It's just there's something very it's cinnebar is so potent

679
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<v Speaker 1>and toxic.

680
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.599
<v Speaker 4>But then they're obviously just like fire right, it's like

681
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 4>very transformative, very transmutational, but just a little bit too

682
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Speaker 4>much heat burns you exactly.

683
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, there's something that is definitely talking about,

684
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<v Speaker 1>like the three works at the same time, like doing

685
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 1>what while you're doing the medicine making maybe in your consciousness,

686
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you're also performing the inner ritual and then in the

687
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.920
<v Speaker 1>secret third thing, which is that you're doing it both together, right,

688
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>then you're creating whatever, like exactly.

689
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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, jin something I wanted to ask you, and then

690
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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna maybe ask Ebsidian and I know that's Robbie,

691
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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to ask you specifically because of being

692
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<v Speaker 2>more you know, I think your Eastern philosophy and stuff,

693
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 2>can you see I mean for me, and I'm not

694
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<v Speaker 2>necessarily saying it's the same thing for you, which just

695
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I know you've been into this stuff for a while.

696
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<v Speaker 2>For me, uh, I guess from just you know, looking

697
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 2>at some stuff or different styles and maybe because of

698
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 2>like again, you know, sometimes I say, I do think

699
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<v Speaker 2>when you have certain experiences, you can kind of see,

700
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<v Speaker 2>like see what's being said in different artistic languages in

701
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.639
<v Speaker 2>a way you can kind of like you have an idea.

702
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 2>I think, are you able to like see sometimes like

703
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the same thing maybe being expressed, but just differently due

704
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>to the artistic styles of like how the difference between

705
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<v Speaker 2>Western and Eastern?

706
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<v Speaker 1>This is a really great question, And I actually came

707
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.599
<v Speaker 1>up the other day with Todd and so I think,

708
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can now.

709
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<v Speaker 4>So I think that when you've had certain.

710
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<v Speaker 1>Experiences, like obviously not waking experiences, will say, but maybe

711
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 1>more magical experiences, you you get you have a maybe

712
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a fundamental grasp of what the contours of those things are.

713
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<v Speaker 1>So then it becomes much more noticeable in iconography later on.

714
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<v Speaker 1>But then also you have to remember that when I

715
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>did the original Contra series with you, Nick is that

716
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<v Speaker 1>one of my reasons was because when you would talk

717
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:46.480
<v Speaker 1>about Kabbala in your early Reject episodes, I would understand

718
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 1>what you were talking about. But in my own conceptualization.

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<v Speaker 2>That's, yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at it.

720
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<v Speaker 2>I assume just you know, maybe because are the things

721
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I know you've studied that you're into, that you might

722
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>be able to see that because I will say, like

723
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 2>if you wanted to go look at certain people's like

724
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Heinrich Kohnrath or well, Michael Maher didn't make his emblems,

725
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.559
<v Speaker 2>I forgot the matheas something made him for him. You know,

726
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff that Robert Flood's done, you know, very different style

727
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 2>of like all chemical imagery than you would see, like,

728
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, somewhere else. But I do think if you

729
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of understand like certain things, you can see the

730
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 2>same shit being said. I think, like I think with

731
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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the art that I think you

732
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>show on Twitter, I think that is like, besides it

733
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<v Speaker 2>being very detailed and you know, symbolic, you have in

734
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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, a hell of a lot more colors being used,

735
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>which then I think that starts to play in other

736
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe specific or you know, or just adds to it.

737
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<v Speaker 2>So like for me, I can kind of almost see

738
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 2>like this stuff being said. It's just some have different

739
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 2>ways of being a little bit more specific or just

740
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>different styles, you know. But from looking at both, I

741
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.719
<v Speaker 2>think I can you know, I can see a lot

742
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>of the same thing.

743
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:21.079
<v Speaker 1>There's an idea in contra that if you understand seventy

744
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<v Speaker 1>percent of the image at least conceptually, like have that

745
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of magic or like we'll say experiential magical experiences

746
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:33.760
<v Speaker 1>or knowledge by true knowledge, you have a seventy percent

747
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>understanding of most things. Now what you understand like one

748
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. That's the same way I am with like

749
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>other things, like yeah, I have a degree of understanding,

750
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.679
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's imperfect.

751
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 4>But the more I learn, the more I'm like.

752
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, this actually goes quite well together.

753
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 4>This actually makes a lot of sense.

754
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 1>So you sort of have to push the force of

755
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>like your perception along and or of like make sure

756
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.639
<v Speaker 1>that you're not sticking to the old things, not because

757
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 1>they're not good necessarily, but you're not applying that other

758
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 1>way of thinking, the other systemic thinking to the new thing.

759
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 1>So that is a challenge that I've had sort of

760
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 1>like being like, okay, well they don't view it exactly

761
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the same, but that's okay because the meaning is very similar.

762
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<v Speaker 3>Well, and interestingly, I think that one of the things

763
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<v Speaker 3>that the resecructions did do, being highly interested in Oriental philosophy,

764
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 3>was they tried to take all of these philosophies and

765
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 3>reduce them down into some sort of a single you know,

766
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:49.480
<v Speaker 3>like system.

767
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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Nick, if you want to go, okay, well, I

768
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 2>just want to say, yeah, there's definitely that the case, Robbie,

769
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<v Speaker 2>Like you can see it in Vietnam.

770
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<v Speaker 1>I think really particularly with the early Jesuits and like

771
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 1>the sixteen hundreds they were in Vietnam.

772
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 4>The first ones were French Jesuits.

773
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 1>They changed the alphabet into the latinized alphabet Freese, and

774
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>obviously then you see these sort of other religions developing

775
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that are synthetic, meaning not necessarily that they're fake, but

776
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>that they are synthesized. Confucianism, Buddhism, Christianity altogether, like Zaudai

777
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 1>that's the eye and that's sort of like the eye

778
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of Jupiter, and it's like the singles is exactly like

779
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 1>the money I but you know, their religion is very syncretic,

780
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's also very Catholic and then also very Rosicrucian.

781
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 4>So I think that you definitely have.

782
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 1>And then the theosophy in India, I mean, that was

783
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 1>so popular right from the beginning of the very origins

784
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of theosophy. I think he could even argument that it

785
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 1>partly developed in India, and then the Indians obviously took

786
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 1>the ideas and sort of made it their own, like

787
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 1>with the Kalki Purana, which is discredited sort of Piranha

788
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that was much later. But I just think, yeah, I

789
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<v Speaker 1>think that there is a quest to find the perennial system.

790
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's fruitful, but you know what,

791
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<v Speaker 1>do I know it well?

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00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.559
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting just how every region would have its

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00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 3>own universal kind of understanding based on where they were

794
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 3>and the environment they were in and the things they

795
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 3>were participating, and that leads to those individuated systems, you know,

796
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 3>like holistically, you know, and then the conglomerates, as you know,

797
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.679
<v Speaker 3>populations grew and those conglomerate elements started to come together

798
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 3>and you see the ideas washing back and forth. You know,

799
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 3>with the translations of the subtuagent and bringing the Eastern

800
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 3>text to the West, and it's you know, a very

801
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 3>fract line kind of you know, manifestation that we kind

802
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of subside within a very kaleidoscopic you could say, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew Nick would like that because it's all about

804
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the eyes, right, yeah. Yeah, But even the you know,

805
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>even Sanskrit has a relationship with Phoenician, and even see

806
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<v Speaker 1>like the times where they would turn the letter ever

807
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 1>so slightly and then you look at the Hebrew version

808
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and then the letter is like turned ever so slightly.

809
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<v Speaker 1>So either someone's memory was imperfect or there is like

810
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<v Speaker 1>a cultural shift that is physically manifested in the letter.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's also like something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But I agree with you Robbie, like there seems to

813
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<v Speaker 1>be a lot more in common between traditions than actually

814
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<v Speaker 1>people understand there to be. But I think that the

815
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<v Speaker 1>outer densities, the outer temple level, even the inner temple level,

816
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that screws up people's heads a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they get very dogmatic, very entrenched.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I often call it making kleipas or making skandas.

819
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.079
<v Speaker 1>They're sort of concretizing, cementing what they think of the

820
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<v Speaker 1>world in these very limited perceptions, right yeah, I think,

821
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<v Speaker 1>but I think that the in the more consciousness layer,

822
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<v Speaker 1>that more secret layer, I think that we are kind

823
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<v Speaker 1>of breaking through like the dogma, and then you're able

824
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<v Speaker 1>to see. Okay, this is so similar, like even when

825
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about the degradation between like black and then

826
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<v Speaker 1>the reddening process and then the purifying process. Like Buddhist

827
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:36.039
<v Speaker 1>color magic. I mean, Buddhist color magic is all about this, right,

828
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<v Speaker 1>Like it's the blue to the white, to the red,

829
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<v Speaker 1>to the yellow and to the green, so or different

830
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<v Speaker 1>mondolas have it in different order, just like the medieval

831
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 1>alchemists can really.

832
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Decide on it, right, right, so you have so.

833
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I think that there is something. It's just like how.

834
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 4>You agree that or where you want to arrive.

835
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest disagreement, Like where you want

836
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to go with it seems to be like the biggest.

837
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 2>Well I think like even if maybe it just this

838
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 2>could even maybe just be from your regular understanding. But

839
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes I think if you understand maybe some of

840
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:18.800
<v Speaker 2>the secrets behind, like why certain things are used for

841
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>like symbolism or imagery, you start getting ideas why other

842
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.000
<v Speaker 2>things are being used, you know, like again, like you know,

843
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 2>different birds will be used just because of maybe different

844
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, what's available or what's around in those people's eyesight,

845
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 2>or could it be that they actually have something in

846
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>common that is you know, special, a different you know,

847
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I think even just like understanding, maybe stuff like that

848
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:48.480
<v Speaker 2>could even like show you how maybe sometimes art has

849
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 2>the same message, but it's just using different images to

850
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>do it.

851
00:52:54.239 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Yea, Yeah, within the whole art subject. You know, the colors,

852
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:05.039
<v Speaker 3>they have effect on the psyche depending on how you

853
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.760
<v Speaker 3>use the colors, contrast the colors.

854
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 5>You know.

855
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.079
<v Speaker 3>It's something that I actively play with as as an artist,

856
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:16.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, And and I am doing a sort of

857
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 3>storytelling alchemy, you know, through the creation of the piece

858
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 3>of art and the colors that I use to interplay,

859
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, and even sometimes you know, if I'm hired

860
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 3>to do like I just hired to do both piece

861
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 3>and basically I found the coordinating colors of thought and

862
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 3>basically built the whole piece around, you know, the gray,

863
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 3>yellow and the purple. So it's you know, these these

864
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 3>different and you know, I'm doing it more from a

865
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 3>playful aspect, but you know, it all depends on you

866
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 3>know how you're going to use it, and and but

867
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 3>it does affect the psyche, you know for.

868
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Sure, for sure.

869
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 5>Absodarian, Yeah, you're definitely chiming.

870
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

871
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:10.000
<v Speaker 5>You're speaking about birds that I wanted to discuss, the

872
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 5>birds of alchemy, you know, those those are traditionally signed

873
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 5>sign posts of progress along the way, you know, the

874
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 5>black crow, you know, earlier stages, the black the white swan.

875
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.079
<v Speaker 5>I've had experience with that, and so these are some

876
00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 5>some some symbols that are universal. But I do want

877
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 5>to speak on something you mentioned. If the different systems

878
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 5>with the Eastern and West are the same, I wouldn't

879
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.599
<v Speaker 5>say that they're the same. They're similar. There's some similarities,

880
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 5>but there's there's some stark differences. You know, I've I've

881
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 5>I've learned. So you know, for example, the in the

882
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 5>East with Nadan and then the Taoists practice with the microcosmic,

883
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:56.599
<v Speaker 5>they're not doing that in the in the Western tradition

884
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 5>with with spiritual alchemy. You know. So just so there's

885
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:04.079
<v Speaker 5>some some subtle differences. There's some similarities on on on

886
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 5>the practice or the intention of breath, you know, the

887
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:12.119
<v Speaker 5>focus on concentration, morality, you know, a lot of things

888
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 5>that lead up to the great work that you need

889
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 5>to facilitate the progress. But there are some differences, you know,

890
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 5>whether in Kundalini yoga using a different channel, a nerve

891
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 5>channel than in some of the Western traditions, some of

892
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.840
<v Speaker 5>the mystic work, they're using a different channel than the shushman,

893
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, the middle channel, so you know, there's different

894
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:39.679
<v Speaker 5>nerves going up the spine. So there are some subtle

895
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 5>differences that between the East and the West. You know.

896
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.679
<v Speaker 5>It's not that it's one's better or you know or not,

897
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.920
<v Speaker 5>but it's it's it's important to learn and understand that

898
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, these systems of practice will fit the environment

899
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 5>of where where it was you know, originated from and

900
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:00.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, and I think that's important as well.

901
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah, I mean there's obvious a lot of

902
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Ian Stark differences. When I was talking about it before,

903
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I was really thinking more of like the artistic angle,

904
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, when people like do it like a lot

905
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of art, like is there an alchemist, you know, use

906
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of art to try to display stuff. But yeah,

907
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely some huge differences between both for sure.

908
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:30.719
<v Speaker 5>M H.

909
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll just add that I think I think I

910
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 1>I understand what Nicks saying because it's it's very like,

911
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 1>it's very referential to my my specific Twitter and then

912
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.960
<v Speaker 1>how I sort of look at the the colors and

913
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:49.159
<v Speaker 1>through also Cabala, So I'm using both systems at the

914
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 1>same time. So I think that it's it's interesting because

915
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I find it to be very similar. I don't think

916
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>that they're the same. Obviously, I preference Vadriana. That's because

917
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the best. That's my personal opinion and

918
00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that's also what I practice. So but I also think

919
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of similarity. I think that the

920
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 1>similarities are very strong. And I think there is a

921
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 1>degradation in all systems that has happened. That's very obvious

922
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.760
<v Speaker 1>also to me. And I just think that we're all

923
00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.039
<v Speaker 1>doing the best we can, putting it back together as

924
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 1>the best we can, but also following if we choose

925
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.199
<v Speaker 1>to follow a tradition or not. And so yeah, I

926
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 1>think it's useful comparative that has sort of comparative and

927
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:33.800
<v Speaker 1>but not taking necessarily a skeptical or a pro approach,

928
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 1>like you're looking at it and oh this actively similar,

929
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it's actually different. Yeah, that's sort of how I look

930
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:40.320
<v Speaker 1>at it.

931
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:46.159
<v Speaker 5>Got it. I'd like to just talk about some of

932
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 5>the similarities. I like to references the universal tools of sulfur,

933
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.800
<v Speaker 5>mercury and salt. That's a good universal that's found in

934
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:01.599
<v Speaker 5>all traditions, right just to dificult. It's it has to

935
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.400
<v Speaker 5>do my understanding, will, intention, and your vital force. So

936
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:10.400
<v Speaker 5>that's direction engine fuel. So sulfur is your will, right,

937
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:13.800
<v Speaker 5>your your soul, mercury is your intention, has to do

938
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 5>with your spirit, and salt is your vitality or your structure,

939
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 5>has to do with your body. So that's just this

940
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 5>and that's universal. Right. So you have the salt, mercury, salt, salt,

941
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 5>sulfur mercury, you have gin ki and shen, you have

942
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 5>Brahmha Vishnu Shiva, you have Setva Rogers Thomas, you have

943
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.719
<v Speaker 5>father son, holy spirit. So all these things. To me,

944
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.960
<v Speaker 5>that's that's the universal forms of alchemy.

945
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 2>That's to make me think about I think there's stuff

946
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 2>like that being shown in them. A novel degree in

947
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the O t O hows to think about that. I

948
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know why. It just made me think about that

949
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>now when you're talking about this stuff.

950
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 5>So, so is this a good time. We're gonna try

951
00:58:59.960 --> 00:59:04.480
<v Speaker 5>to produce the Philosopher's Stone at this point. Yeah, so

952
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 5>who's who's up first?

953
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Right?

954
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:10.840
<v Speaker 5>Oh boy? Do you think that Do.

955
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 2>You think that's the the Philosopher's Stone or do you

956
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.159
<v Speaker 2>think that's like are you any of you here into

957
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:21.960
<v Speaker 2>twin peaks? I'm probably probably Do you ever think that's? Like?

958
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 2>What the do you ever think that's what they're talking

959
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 2>about with that, like the piece of the ring that

960
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of fits the table, Like I've always wondered if

961
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 2>that was like something like a reference to like this

962
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the Philosopher's Stone or that tablish because it is like

963
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I think a green table that it's uh, it fits.

964
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. I've always no, I just always wondered

965
00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 2>about if there was a connection with that. I think.

966
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.199
<v Speaker 1>So I think even like the Trinity, like well, obviously

967
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't envision the Trinity like sheep I, Brahma Vishnu,

968
00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 1>but you know there is something or maybe a diead

969
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 1>or even a monad like I. I think that the

970
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 1>emerald is like how to get there through our own eyes?

971
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:05.920
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'll say about that.

972
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:08.599
<v Speaker 1>So I think that it is in that sequence, Nick,

973
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.079
<v Speaker 1>But you know, I think it's very much up to

974
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 1>our perception, our interpretation of that scene. And I think

975
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.719
<v Speaker 1>that's what a lot of twin peaks is because a

976
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of people know it's a fault, but people can

977
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 1>never decide exactly what is it.

978
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know the difference between a cult and the religion.

979
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 3>So basically, if if a cult hangs around for five

980
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 3>hundred years, they're declared religion, that's true. Yeah, So if.

981
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It it's just widely accepted, I mean at that point,

982
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:49.639
<v Speaker 2>it's really yeah, it's really good. Was there anything else

983
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Absodarian that you would like to maybe touch on. We've

984
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 2>got a little bit more time if you want, maybe

985
01:00:58.480 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe let me see.

986
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 5>Uh, you know, we we talked about a lot. Uh.

987
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 5>I think we covered a lot. I mean we don't

988
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 5>really talk about Paracelsus.

989
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 3>But I was just gonna say it's important to.

990
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.599
<v Speaker 5>Talk he is.

991
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.960
<v Speaker 2>He is, you know, I like talking about.

992
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.039
<v Speaker 5>Like like one of his quotes is alchemy is the

993
01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 5>gentle accelerator, acceleration of growth through the use of the

994
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.920
<v Speaker 5>fire of nature. So he's known as a fire philosopher.

995
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:32.480
<v Speaker 5>But he was really interesting character. I thought he's worthy

996
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:37.480
<v Speaker 5>of discussion or just seeing some more esoteric aspects of

997
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.039
<v Speaker 5>his uh, you know, his teachings.

998
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.719
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting with Paracelsus how he goes through. You know,

999
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 3>you have the alchemy of the metals, you have the

1000
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.079
<v Speaker 3>alchemy of the planets, you have the alchemy within the self.

1001
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 3>You have basically, you know, I've seen in several places

1002
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 3>there's seven forms of alchemy. Even getting into the early

1003
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:03.360
<v Speaker 3>talk of Lucifer in you know, the heavens in that

1004
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 3>space of pured you know, refined space with no decay,

1005
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 3>that he was basically doing a cosmic alchemy and basically

1006
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, misused it and and that was his fall.

1007
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.400
<v Speaker 3>But but Paracelsus, just in regard to the planetary aspects,

1008
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.199
<v Speaker 3>going back to the Emerald tablet, you know, as far

1009
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.199
<v Speaker 3>as the sun is its father and the moon is

1010
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 3>its mother, and it talks about you know, basically being

1011
01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 3>in the belly and just stating and but Paracelsus, you know,

1012
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.599
<v Speaker 3>talking about how all the metals come out of gold

1013
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:43.159
<v Speaker 3>and how they can all return to gold. It's just

1014
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, interesting philosophically.

1015
01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.800
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of Taoist stories Robbie like that. I mean,

1016
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.039
<v Speaker 1>I have I have read Paracelsus, but it's not something

1017
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm like talking about or thinking about, but I think

1018
01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:01.039
<v Speaker 1>that in my memory it's all sort of coving bag distilling.

1019
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.639
<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of Daoist attacks that are very

1020
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 1>similar to this, and even the origin story because I'm

1021
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:08.719
<v Speaker 1>preparing to do a show with Nick and JJ on

1022
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:13.760
<v Speaker 1>sort of a Taoist alchemy. And so the Red Emperor,

1023
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:17.639
<v Speaker 1>So if Paracelsus is a fire philosopher, the Red Emperor

1024
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of Chinese cosmology, he is Shenong. So he's the guy

1025
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 1>who brings like medicine, agriculture and even in fact, the

1026
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 1>first Chinese herbal medicine book is called the Shenong bansaal

1027
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>so the it's called Shenong's Herbal So it's like the

1028
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.360
<v Speaker 1>three thousand year old text that it was supposedly given

1029
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:40.559
<v Speaker 1>to them by this mythical giant oxhorn to emperor who's

1030
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 1>read and sits in the south.

1031
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 2>So, oh, do you want to do you want to

1032
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:55.800
<v Speaker 2>talk more? Do you want me to just wrap it

1033
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.079
<v Speaker 2>up there? You think, I don't know, how do you?

1034
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:00.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to talk at that guy,

1035
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 2>we could go on for a while too.

1036
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I just I just want to touch

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<v Speaker 5>on one one interesting esoteric aspect of Paracelsus UH with

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<v Speaker 5>his alphabet of the Magi. He brought that back with

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01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 5>letter mysticism. And if you're familiar with Cagliastro, when he

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<v Speaker 5>addressed one of one of his most famous events was

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01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:26.199
<v Speaker 5>addressing the Masons during the which convention. It was the

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<v Speaker 5>Masonic Convention of seventeen eighty five, which he did some

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01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 5>demonstrations because you know, they were they were really skeptical

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01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.880
<v Speaker 5>of this Cagliastro character, but then he ended up blowing

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01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 5>them away with what his demonstrations and his predictions. He

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<v Speaker 5>predicted a lot, but the tie in there was the

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01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 5>letter mysticism. You know. He he showed them the alphabet

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<v Speaker 5>of the Magi and he kind of laughed at them

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<v Speaker 5>with how they explain the word INR I n R I.

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<v Speaker 5>You know know I come from Judea. I have passed

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<v Speaker 5>through Nazareth led by Raphael. I'm the tribe of Judah.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, gentlemen, how such stupid nonsense to be accepted

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<v Speaker 5>by intelligent Frenchmen. And then he goes on to give

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<v Speaker 5>the true meaning of it using the UH, the Magi

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<v Speaker 5>language of you know, the I and our I and

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01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:19.320
<v Speaker 5>it has to do with alchemy, you know, the Hermetic principles,

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<v Speaker 5>the two principles, the union of polarities, and you know

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<v Speaker 5>the third wonderful thing. So it's a really interesting time

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<v Speaker 5>there with Paracelsus and Cagliastro.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just add this quickly that I actually find it

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<v Speaker 1>really fascinating how both of you sort of referenced the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of this, like the sun is at the sun,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have but it's from mercury. It's from mercury

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<v Speaker 1>that the sun, right, right, So but it is it

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the marriage and then but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>hoe to tiperth. Yeah, I find that so fascinating because

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<v Speaker 1>you see it in many religions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and I think with Paracelsus he even tells you

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<v Speaker 3>that they have switched the metals to basically accult the

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01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:15.119
<v Speaker 3>true practice. So you know, if you become familiar with

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01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:20.760
<v Speaker 3>the concepts, ideas and you can see the truisms within them,

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<v Speaker 3>then you will come to the realization that indeed mercury

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<v Speaker 3>is the sun.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, that's interesting. I remember Rudolph Steiner talked about

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01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:36.320
<v Speaker 5>something similar with astrology and how you know, traditionally Mercury

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01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 5>was swapped with Venus, and that opened up an interesting

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01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.559
<v Speaker 5>rabbit hole. When I went back and studied some of

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01:06:42.559 --> 01:06:47.199
<v Speaker 5>the CIRT information, especially with my Lucifer Unveiled the series,

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<v Speaker 5>I went pretty pretty deep into that topic and how

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<v Speaker 5>the planets were occulted as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, And I would imagine that depending upon the system,

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01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:03.599
<v Speaker 3>they were occulted in different ways. So depending on the

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01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:08.119
<v Speaker 3>system that you're looking at, you have to somehow divine

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<v Speaker 3>the key to be able to unlock the system.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct. You know where I got the key Kabbala the

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01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:18.119
<v Speaker 5>four worlds. You just use the four worlds and you

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01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:21.480
<v Speaker 5>see your placement on the tree whichever subject you're on,

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01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 5>and there's a lot of cabalistic keys that unlock Rudolph

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01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.239
<v Speaker 5>Steiner's work. Some of it sounds fantastic on you know

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01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 5>when you when you first read it or whatnot, but

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<v Speaker 5>then you look at it, you know, from the cabalistic perspective,

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<v Speaker 5>it makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Steiner's work.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, I could see him being influenced by.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh he was one hundred, there's like no, oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, definitely definitely he uh and JB. Kernan was

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<v Speaker 5>another influence we have evidence that he plagiarized from JB.

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<v Speaker 5>Kerinnin didn't give credit on some of his lectures, which

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<v Speaker 5>it's coming out in the second Mylanders book. It's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to talk about Rudolph Steiner. You know, we

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01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.000
<v Speaker 5>put him on the pedestal, but you know he's a

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<v Speaker 5>great teacher for you know what he what he shared,

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01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.279
<v Speaker 5>but he's still you know, he presented some ideas as

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<v Speaker 5>his as his own that you know, we learned it

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01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 5>really wasn't his ideas one hundred percent, which is and

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of it comes from Mylander's background and especially JB. Kernan,

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01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:34.399
<v Speaker 5>like word for word some of his letter mysticism teachings.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I just want to say this one thing about

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<v Speaker 1>the planet's being occulted, because I think it's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that the idea was brought up because it is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of understood to be like that in TNTRA, where like

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<v Speaker 1>the certain deities that are placed supernal to the planet

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01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:56.000
<v Speaker 1>are stars or like greater than the stars, so the

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<v Speaker 1>stars actually are supernal to the grajas are supernal to

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01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.760
<v Speaker 1>the planets. So I think that's interesting because we are

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<v Speaker 1>much more in a planetary culture like we we are

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<v Speaker 1>names of the week. I mean it's we really revolve

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<v Speaker 1>around the planets. And then also that idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>they can shift, and I think this is true for

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<v Speaker 1>like the jets erratic astrology, like the the ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>the actually the sphere, the planetary nature of the sphere

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01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:28.720
<v Speaker 1>changes in different sort of turnings of the wheel and

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<v Speaker 1>so and like what Robbie was saying, like what is

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<v Speaker 1>the key to use? Well like and so some of

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<v Speaker 1>the tuns crop sees there's like a sixty year cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a seventy year cycle. And some of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the very online Indian Twitter guys, they'll use like

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<v Speaker 1>these really weird vedic calculations and make like and say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh the Kelly goes like a million years old, But

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<v Speaker 1>when you use the contric calculation, it's actually quite short

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<v Speaker 1>periods of time.

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<v Speaker 4>Like who do you listen to? Why do you listen

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01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.920
<v Speaker 4>to it? And so yeah, that's something that I'm really fascinated.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like haulting on the planets and how they work

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a shift, like there's a shifting nature

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<v Speaker 1>of them, so you have to also sort of account

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 3>So the uh Me and Jen are about to do

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<v Speaker 3>a series on the Books of Enoch. But the Books

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01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:21.319
<v Speaker 3>of Enoch they go into the different gates and the

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<v Speaker 3>different planets and how the planets move and interact with

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01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:29.279
<v Speaker 3>one another, and the season, and then it also corresponds

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01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:37.199
<v Speaker 3>all the miscellaneous angelic forces that associate with those different houses, seasons, planets, gates,

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01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:41.800
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. It's it's a quite interesting calendar.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is really interesting. Sorry, Nick, this is a

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01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 4>really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie, because honestly, it's when you brought the idea to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, this sounds like so much like

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01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Chalco Sambara, like like a very high level tontric text

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01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 1>where he's talking about like oh, there's odiot comes in

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01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:04.119
<v Speaker 1>on this portal and it's depicted in this way, and

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01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:07.079
<v Speaker 1>then there's this thing and he's standing on this like

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01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:09.680
<v Speaker 1>these animal gods and this is the reason why. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, Like, the Book of

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01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Enoch is kind of like a version.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe not one to one, but there's right, there's clearly

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<v Speaker 4>like yeah.

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01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 1>A system there that makes total sense, Like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Uh, I guess we'll just wrap it up

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<v Speaker 2>the other right.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, it's good minute, eleven minutes and eleven seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, all right, thank you very much, Absdentian for

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01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 2>coming on. That was actually, you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>fun It was a fun hour and fifteen minute you know,

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<v Speaker 2>less than that with the intro, uh you know, show

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<v Speaker 2>very well, uh, well done. We talked about a lot

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01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:56.600
<v Speaker 2>of different things. I think it was just interesting stuff

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01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:00.359
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to alchemy real quick before we wrap

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01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:02.720
<v Speaker 2>it up, Jin, do you want to plug yourself one

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01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:03.399
<v Speaker 2>more time?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Just follow me on Twitter at Wukong Reborn or

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01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:12.199
<v Speaker 1>at Threshold Saints also an ins same Threshold Saints. And yeah,

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01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you can just see what I'm up to, always doing something.

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01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.880
<v Speaker 1>And I have a space live space on Saturday, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will be on several more quite a few more episodes.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Rejux in the near future. So see and yeah,

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01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:25.840
<v Speaker 4>subscribe and likes the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And mister Marx,

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01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.279
<v Speaker 2>thank you again. You want everybody, I want to let

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01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:33.760
<v Speaker 2>everybody know where they can find all the work that

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01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:35.399
<v Speaker 2>you've done on other people's shows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I just want to say thanks for having

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01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:41.520
<v Speaker 3>me on. It's always a great conversation. This is like

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01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.039
<v Speaker 3>some really fun stuff. And like you're saying, this is

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01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:47.439
<v Speaker 3>a nice break for me. So yeah, if you want

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01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:52.199
<v Speaker 3>to find my stuff, my artwork, my Twitter, Instagram, et cetera,

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01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 3>et cetera, you can go to my link tree, which

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<v Speaker 3>is our m A r X R Marx at link

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<v Speaker 3>tree and then I'll pull up everything I got awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much again, sir. I always love having

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01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you on and Absidarian let everybody know again where they

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01:13:06.760 --> 01:13:07.760
<v Speaker 2>can fund your stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, well, thanks again, gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. You

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<v Speaker 5>guys can find my work on linktree, Apsidaren. At linktree

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01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:20.159
<v Speaker 5>you'll find all my links their social media, Patreon and

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01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:21.359
<v Speaker 5>research links there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you of course, and thank you for coming on, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm pretty sure we'll have more discussions going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all again for coming on tonight. Everybody's links

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<v Speaker 2>are in the bottom so you can check out all

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<v Speaker 2>their work. And until the next one, everybody be well

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<v Speaker 2>later