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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Handle here on a Monday morning, June twenty three, and

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<v Speaker 2>now the world is waiting for the Iranian response to

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<v Speaker 2>the American attack on the nuclear facilities in Iran by

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<v Speaker 2>B two bombers and other aircraft, American aircraft that bomb

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<v Speaker 2>those facilities. Let's move to a very local story, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is Hollywood. Hollywood being Hollywood, and this of course

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<v Speaker 2>is the movie capital of the world, except it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really isn't anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>If La County were a country, the economy we be

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<v Speaker 2>among the world's twentieth largest, but it is heading south.

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<v Speaker 2>Payroll employment is one percent lower than at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty nineteen before the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>For the rest of the country it's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Five percent, and a big reason is the fall in

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<v Speaker 2>film and video production. La County employment in motion picture

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<v Speaker 2>and sound recording is down ten percent in twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The number of shoot days, that's the number of days

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<v Speaker 1>that are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how they measure the amount of production. One measurement

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<v Speaker 2>is the number of days that they blocked off the

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<v Speaker 2>street going into my house and I had to go

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<v Speaker 2>all the way around. And they call it shoot days,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what you want to do to these production

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<v Speaker 2>companies when your street is blocked off.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoot days are days.

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<v Speaker 2>In which they film feature films, TV commercials. That fell

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<v Speaker 2>for the first third straight year in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>California's share of global projects.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, keep in mind, Southern California was the world leader

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<v Speaker 2>still is, but it's falling in film production around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It was twenty three percent in twenty twenty one. It's

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<v Speaker 2>now eighteen percent. So the President wants to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>We all want to fix it because Hollywood is Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>or the film center of the world. That's how we

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<v Speaker 2>got to be famous all over the world. The Hollywood sign,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is sort of magic. Although if you

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<v Speaker 2>actually go to Hollywood, you're not going to see many

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<v Speaker 2>movie studios. There never were movie studios in Hollywood. They're

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<v Speaker 2>all in the San Fernando Valley or they're in West

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<v Speaker 2>LA where.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sony studios are.

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<v Speaker 2>So the President proposed his favorite solution, tariffs on foreign

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<v Speaker 2>made films. Well, the Hollywood folks saying no, tariffs aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to work.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's what we want. More tax incentives.

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<v Speaker 2>And less red tape because the permitting process is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And how about more housing because people have to live

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<v Speaker 2>here and it has become prohibitive. And that's the story

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do over and over again. So the

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<v Speaker 2>governor has proposed more than doubling the California's film and

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<v Speaker 2>TV text credit to seven hundred and fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>That production is moving so quickly out of Southern California

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<v Speaker 2>is real simple.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the cost, that's it. It's way too expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>There are tons of reasons why it should stay here.

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<v Speaker 2>Why film started here, actually started in New Jersey with Edison,

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<v Speaker 2>but and it quickly moved here at the turn of

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<v Speaker 2>the last century and Southern California, particularly quote Hollywood, became

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<v Speaker 2>the center of the entertainment business in terms of films

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<v Speaker 2>and later on television. Film television production has dropped and

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<v Speaker 2>is dropping dramatically, and it's really affecting our economy big

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<v Speaker 2>time because the entertainment business is huge for Southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is going on, Well, a big reason for

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<v Speaker 2>the fall in film and video production. Just to give

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<v Speaker 2>you an idea, La County employment in motion picture and

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<v Speaker 2>sound recordings down ten percent since twenty nineteen, the number

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<v Speaker 2>of shoot days, as I said, fell for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Third straight year in twenty twenty four. It is not good.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, let me give you an example.

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<v Speaker 2>Disney's Marvel Studios, you know where they film Atlanta or

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. Netflix just expanded a production facility in Albuquerque,

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<v Speaker 2>New Mexico, broke round on a huge complex in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's one in in.

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<v Speaker 2>The UK, there is more square footage of sound stage

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<v Speaker 2>than in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>Two key reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>One, other locations are offering lucrative, less restrictive incentives. They're

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<v Speaker 2>offering not only tax breaks, they're offering to underwritight to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for film production up to the point of thirty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the cost of making a film. And here

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<v Speaker 2>in southern California there's no place for anybody to live anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>housing shortage, shortages aggravated by the wildfires. While the cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living here is prohibitive. Now La is a great

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<v Speaker 2>place to film. There's a reason why the film industry

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<v Speaker 2>really started here. Ocean mountains, desert within a few hours drive.

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<v Speaker 2>You can shoot almost any movie of any kind here.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of going outside on location, almost any

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<v Speaker 2>day you can shoot. You don't have to worry about

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<v Speaker 2>the weather because of our weather A god of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Everard, a former chairman of Film LA, says it's

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<v Speaker 2>worth paying more for the talent pool here because of

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<v Speaker 2>the superior quality of the shows on the screen. However,

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<v Speaker 2>and this makes sense, we're living off of Hollywood's endowment.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference is the cost of filming is so great

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<v Speaker 2>now here that the films and TV shows don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be as good. They just have to be good

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<v Speaker 2>enough because the cost is so high. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>have the recent raids and the protests. Now there's not

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<v Speaker 2>too many illegal migrants that work in the film industry, granted,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's about uncertainty and business hates uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 1>And think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>The big name actors and the big name directors still

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<v Speaker 2>are here in southern California. It's the mid level people

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<v Speaker 2>that can't afford to be here. Same thing with Silicon Valley.

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<v Speaker 2>The high end people are there, the mid level people

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<v Speaker 2>are out. They can't afford to be there. Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>top executives are there in New York, but the mid

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<v Speaker 2>tier jobs or go to other places. Cheaper housing, lower taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and just the cost of doing business here not just

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<v Speaker 2>the taxes, not just the housing. But for example, the

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<v Speaker 2>cost of producing using a dog on the set is

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<v Speaker 2>almost one thousand dollars. That's one day for a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you go to one of the major studios in

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<v Speaker 2>Hong Kong, it's a couple of dollars per day. And

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't even pay to bring them back to their trainer.

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<v Speaker 2>They either let them go where they eat them. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just cheaper get them to the crafts people and you

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<v Speaker 2>have them for lunch. And this is a dog that

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<v Speaker 2>you hired to be on the set. It's a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what the governor wants to do is increase

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<v Speaker 2>the tax the underwriting and the tax break. And here

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<v Speaker 2>is the problem, and this is where the cost the

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer dollars. Does the film the filming of that movie

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<v Speaker 2>or that TV show and giving tax breaks and underwriting

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<v Speaker 2>it with tax money, does it do more for us

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<v Speaker 2>than not? Does it actually make money for the town

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<v Speaker 2>or does it cost money? And the detractors are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>if it costs us money, why do it. And for

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<v Speaker 2>people that argue we still want to keep the reputation

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<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood, go to Hollywood. Yeah, it's a nice place

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<v Speaker 2>to visit, but it's all tourism. It's all tourists. How

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<v Speaker 2>many people actually live in Hollywood walk along Hollywood Boulevard

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<v Speaker 2>or walk along Sunset?

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<v Speaker 1>Who live there?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, bill Wyn Tracy, my wife and I first

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<v Speaker 3>got married, We lived in Hollywood for two and a

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<v Speaker 3>half years, three years something like that, and we would

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<v Speaker 3>go in that area every now and again for things

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<v Speaker 3>that we needed. And we'd be walking through there and

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<v Speaker 3>you have to you're bombarded with people trying to sell

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<v Speaker 3>things a tourists and you'd have to go live.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, live here, live here, live here, and just.

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<v Speaker 2>And you were one in thousands. For example, go to

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas. How many people that live in Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 2>ever get near the strip? It is one hundred sent tourism.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, our friend Saville, my partner, you know, lives

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, and uh, when I go to visit him

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll go to dinner along the strip one of

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<v Speaker 2>the high end restaurants that he pays for, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's two three times a years when he actually goes

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<v Speaker 2>along the strip. So Hollywood is really a myth, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nice myth and it and at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>and not too many years ago, Hollywood was really a sewer,

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<v Speaker 2>a toilet where they had adult film, these little adult

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<v Speaker 2>film palaces and dance clubs and strip clubs. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually Disney bringing the Capital Theater back that reversed it.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to give Disney, Michael Eisner a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>credit for bringing Hollywood back.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was similar. Pardon Times Square? I think was

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<v Speaker 1>it Disney that did Times Square too?

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was.

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<v Speaker 3>What's his face? The Who's gone nuts?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Was the Mari at the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Giuliani?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, switching gears here. There is a guy by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Derek Mobley who was looking for a job,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is an IT professional in North Carolina, and

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<v Speaker 2>he applied for more than one hundred jobs during a

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<v Speaker 2>stretch of unemployment from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years, and even after that, and back came

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<v Speaker 2>rejection or silence. He was ghosted, and sometimes the rejection

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<v Speaker 2>emails arrived in the middle of the night or within

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<v Speaker 2>an hour of submitting his application.

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<v Speaker 1>And he is not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Millions of US job hunters every year or US job

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<v Speaker 2>hunters submit millions of apps every year online and they

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<v Speaker 2>get gusted, ghosted, or automatic rejection and never know if

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<v Speaker 2>they got a fair shake from.

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<v Speaker 1>Whom from the algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why MOBILEI noticed that a lot of these companies

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<v Speaker 2>have applied for used an online recruiting platform from a.

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<v Speaker 1>Company called work Day.

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<v Speaker 2>And this platform called Applicant Tracking Systems, Well, it helps

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<v Speaker 2>employers track and screen job candidates. He sued him, suited

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<v Speaker 2>him for discrimination, saying the algorithm screamed him out based

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<v Speaker 2>on his age. He's fifty, race, he's black, disabilities, he

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<v Speaker 2>suffers from anxiety and depression, and he's a black graduate

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<v Speaker 2>of Moorhouse College. And he said he applied only for

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<v Speaker 2>jobs that he was qualified for. And he says there's

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<v Speaker 2>a standard bell curve in statistics. You can't have a

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<v Speaker 2>failure rate of one hundred percent. By the way, MOBILEI

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<v Speaker 2>has since gotten hired the old fashioned way, and so

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<v Speaker 2>his lawsuit is now coming up, and it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>significant challenge because virtually every highering decision made these days

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<v Speaker 2>is based on an algorithm. And a federal judge said

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<v Speaker 2>that the age discrimination claim could proceed, and the judge

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<v Speaker 2>said it was it was not on purpose, so that

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<v Speaker 2>part of it punitive damage is not going to fly

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<v Speaker 2>yet he still has a case. Work Day says claims

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<v Speaker 2>have no merit because the software matches keywords on resumes

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<v Speaker 2>with chob qualifications and then it scores the applicants and

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<v Speaker 2>therein lies.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the secret.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when I hired for people for my surrogacy agency,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at keywords, and I looked at qualifications, and

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at do they have experience in the field

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted? And it was sort of an algorithm, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was done individually. We looked at it. This one

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<v Speaker 2>is done via the internet, and this one is done

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<v Speaker 2>with a very sophisticated algorithm. And how fair is that?

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't match those keywords, you're screwed? Now work

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<v Speaker 2>They says. Those keywords are part of a resume and

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<v Speaker 2>your background that lists whether you are qualified or not.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is is, what if you don't put in

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<v Speaker 2>the right keywords and you're qualified? Is that discrimination? What

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<v Speaker 2>if you admit your age or even worse, they know

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<v Speaker 2>how old you are because there's data mining and they

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<v Speaker 2>know everything about you. For example, how do they know

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<v Speaker 2>that Mobili was depressed and suffer for anxiety. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>like they got his medical records. It's like throughout his

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<v Speaker 2>chats and what he posted and I'm not feeling too good,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm depressed today. Put it all together and he said

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<v Speaker 2>there was a pattern there, and so the lawsuit goes on.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have a question, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That is do you use artificial artificial intelligence use AI

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<v Speaker 2>to then figure out when you're looking for a job

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<v Speaker 2>and it puts the words that you need to at

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<v Speaker 2>least get an interview. And do they have an AI

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<v Speaker 2>program that realizes that there is a program of AI

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<v Speaker 3>See, it's a little strange because we use work day.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's the exact same thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>we use work day. And I used to do the hiring, ye,

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<v Speaker 3>and I use the filters to put them in a

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the well, the point is that these are

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<v Speaker 1>These are companies that don't. And I remember we talked

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<v Speaker 2>When you used when you would hire, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd filllter out everybody who wasn't happy with minimum wage

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<v Speaker 2>and would stay with minimum wage for the next ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a filter.

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<v Speaker 3>You filtered out, we'd have no one working for us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much what happens, isn't it. That's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>ye okay, I get it out of your system. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done with that all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Around Mount Saint Helen's, the number of rescues just keeps

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<v Speaker 2>on climbing.

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<v Speaker 1>One man twenty one years.

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<v Speaker 2>Old kayaked over a waterfall. Brilliant, huh, A spinal injury.

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<v Speaker 2>A fifty four year old woman glaciated. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know there was a word down Mount Saint Helen's. That's

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<v Speaker 2>sliding down a snow covered slope. I guess just on

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<v Speaker 2>her ass. She struck a rock and suffered a head injury.

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<v Speaker 2>There are more and more of these coming up, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are some shriff now because usually they're county rescue

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<v Speaker 2>teams pondering sending you know, send them a bill, Send

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<v Speaker 2>them a bill. The sheriff Summershire said, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Sacamania County, I need to find a creative

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<v Speaker 2>way to deter the current behavior we're witnessing while attempting

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<v Speaker 2>to recoup the financial burden placed on our country, on

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<v Speaker 2>our county. In May, in Sacramon County, the number of

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<v Speaker 2>search and rescue missions just exploded compared to.

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<v Speaker 1>The same month last year. By the way, He's not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Utah Garfield County announced it was requiring permits for

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most remote and challenging slot canyons. Effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an insurance policy. You want to go off the trail,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go in that area, you're paying an

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<v Speaker 2>extra permit to pay for potential search and rescues. Nationwide,

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<v Speaker 2>last year, over thirty three hundred of these rescues. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>and man, you know that's just it's dumb for these

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<v Speaker 2>people to go. Now, we're only talking egregious stuff off

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<v Speaker 2>the trail, going into areas, going there in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of winter where there's snow.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would people do that? Explain that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>When I go to Brents, Delhi or I go to

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<v Speaker 2>Anaheim White House, I don't get lost.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't have to look for me.

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<v Speaker 2>As matter of fact, they know exactly where I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean hiking off are these trails?

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<v Speaker 1>Amy? Do you hike? Nop good, Neil?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I want to fall off the trail.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Nail, Neil. Do you hike what you hike? What

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<v Speaker 1>can I know? I hike?

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<v Speaker 2>Kno do you hike, no chance. See, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>live a while, all right. For those of you that

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<v Speaker 2>hike and go off the trail and do these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>weird sports. You know you're gonna die. It'll kill you

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<v Speaker 2>every time. You know I'm here to help you. I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to live a long life. Stop this crap

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<v Speaker 2>hiking and off the trails. People should get nailed, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way for that, because these these searches are a fortune. Yeah, Amy,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, in some ski areas when

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<v Speaker 2>you go out of bounds, they do charge.

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<v Speaker 1>You good good, especially when you hit a tree and

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<v Speaker 1>they have to come and rescue you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Sunny Bono story, you know, Offully one got

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<v Speaker 2>in an argument with a tree. He lost, the tree

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<v Speaker 2>won the argument. We're done. Coming up, Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomorrow morning we start all over again on a Taco Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Amy and Will five to nine, five to six wake

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<v Speaker 2>up call, Neil and I join a board at six

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<v Speaker 2>right till about now. And of course you got Kono

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<v Speaker 2>and and who make the show happen, which without them

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<v Speaker 2>show would probably be better. All right, Gary and Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>up next. This is KFI AM six point forty.

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