1 00:00:23,879 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: And hello, how are you happy Thursday to you? Today's 2 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:33,039 the fifth day of February, year of Our Lord, twenty 3 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,799 twenty six. My name is Tom Sullivan. And we got 4 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:44,359 a lot on Savannah Guthrie's mother today. A lot of experts, 5 00:00:44,359 --> 00:00:48,320 a lot of officials talking news conferences, long news conference 6 00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:52,600 in Tucson held by the sheriff. FBI was there as well, 7 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:56,960 so there's some of that. We've got. The Save Act, 8 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,240 this is one that is being debate. It's an old 9 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:08,560 debate about requiring voter ID, and the arguments are the 10 00:01:08,599 --> 00:01:14,439 same old arguments if you'd require voter ID. Why I'll 11 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:17,959 play some of the people that commented on this about 12 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:24,560 the fact that that's going to somehow discriminated against minorities. 13 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,239 I'll play the interview for you. It's an eye opener, 14 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:41,239 to say the least. Federalizing, nationalizing elections I brought up. 15 00:01:41,239 --> 00:01:44,840 But the big story today, truly is because of the 16 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,319 fact that so many officials and a long news conference. 17 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:50,400 I'm not going to play the news conference for you, 18 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,560 but a lot of the comments about what was said 19 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,719 at the sheriff's news conference today in Tucson, Arizona, I 20 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,359 think are good observations. Jim Kavanaugh is the former head 21 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:12,759 of ATF Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms. Always articulate guy. He weighed 22 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:16,400 in on, well, let me before we get into him. 23 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,000 First of all, they came out, the FBI came out 24 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:25,960 and said fifty thousand dollars reward for finding Nancy. They 25 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:28,840 talked a little bit more. They were trying not to, 26 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,599 but finally the reporter squeezed it out of him, the 27 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,960 fact that there were there's one ransom note. It was 28 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,520 sent to three different news ass outlets the same ransom note, 29 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:48,840 and apparently the ransom note had a deadline of five 30 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:55,520 o'clock today, five pm today and the second deadline on there. 31 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:57,879 I don't know if they said if you don't do something, 32 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:00,879 what something's going to happen. They didn't get into any 33 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,719 of that. They said there's a deadline of five o'clock 34 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:12,879 today and another deadline on Monday, February ninth. So what 35 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:20,000 that involves is they're not saying as far as they 36 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:27,520 gave more details. On January thirty first, which was Saturday, 37 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,080 said at five thirty two pm, Nancy traveled to local 38 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:37,280 families home, and now we're finding out that she took 39 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:42,159 an uber to go over to her daughter's home, and 40 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:46,400 that was at five thirty two pm on Saturday. The 41 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 issue then is about the uber driver, and the sheriff 42 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,319 said that they were in contact with the uber driver 43 00:03:52,439 --> 00:04:00,240 and interviewed him. At ninety eight pm, dinner's over, Family 44 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:05,840 drops Nancy off at home and garage door opens. That's 45 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,159 at nine eight At nine point fifty, the garage door closes, 46 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,879 So there's some sort of indicator that they have a 47 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:18,439 timing on those. But the thing about that is they 48 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:22,279 say family drops Nancy off. So the reporters were asking, 49 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,319 because yesterday there were a couple of reports out that 50 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:34,639 are not verified that the brother in law Nancy's daughter Anna, 51 00:04:35,319 --> 00:04:41,439 her husband was a maybe is the term used, maybe 52 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,680 a suspect. They didn't say he is a suspect, but 53 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,360 they walked it right up close to the line. So 54 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,920 then a reporter said, well, on this family drops Nancy 55 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:55,879 off at nine forty eight pm, what do you mean family? 56 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,399 Was it Anna or was it her husband? And the 57 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:05,399 sheriff would not answer that. He said, we're going to 58 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:11,959 stay with family, So they avoided saying who was the 59 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,000 person who dropped Nancy off at her home at nine 60 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,720 forty eight pm on Saturday. Then we moved to Sunday, 61 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:30,560 February first, one forty seven am, the doorbell camera disconnects. 62 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,040 Apparently they think that whoever did this literally went up 63 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:41,319 to the doorbell and disconnected it. It wasn't a ring doorbell, 64 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:45,920 it was a Nest doorbell, same kind of thing, and 65 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,399 somebody went up and knew to disconnect it. That's at 66 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:57,519 one forty seven am. At two twelve am, software detected 67 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,480 a person on that camera. But there's no video available 68 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,319 and no subscription. So they had a camera but it 69 00:06:06,439 --> 00:06:10,879 was worthless, and they went to Google, who operates the 70 00:06:11,519 --> 00:06:17,759 net Nest system. They have, you know, lots of different 71 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:20,439 products that they offer. One of them this camera, and 72 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:27,519 apparently Nancy Guthrie did not keep up on her subscription, 73 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,439 so there was no video available. But somehow software detected 74 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,560 a person on the camera at two twelve. Well, they 75 00:06:37,639 --> 00:06:42,279 said the camera was already disabled at one seven this disconnected, 76 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,800 So I don't know how that works, but that's what 77 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:52,040 they told is the pacemaker app shows that it was 78 00:06:52,120 --> 00:07:01,079 disconnected from her phone at two twenty eight am. That 79 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,199 simply could be that she got out of range. It's 80 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,680 a bluetooth connection and once you get you know, so 81 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,920 the pacemaker but maybe just fine, but it was too 82 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:15,160 far away from the phone. That was two twenty eight am. 83 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,199 Then at eleven fifty six am, the family came and 84 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:24,160 checked on Nancy. At twelve oh three they called a 85 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,920 nine to one one and at twelve point fifteen the 86 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,639 first patrol car arrived. So with that, here's Jim Kavanov 87 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:33,560 from ATF. 88 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Well, this is the family reaching out Craig to the 89 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,319 abductors and saying, look, first, let's talk about mom. Let's 90 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,879 humanize mom. You know, she has grandchildren. They love her, children, 91 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:48,600 they love her. She's just a loving grandmother and mother. 92 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:53,800 Humanizer and she that a family talks about Nancy and 93 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,800 humanizes her with the abductors because she's been just an 94 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,959 object to the abductors, an object of their goal, which 95 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:02,560 either is money or some messaging or we don't quite 96 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,680 know yet. So that's very important. I think it was 97 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:07,879 excellent they did that. They need to humanize Nancy. And 98 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,199 they also say we're ready to listen. Here the family, 99 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,600 we want to listen. We want to hear what you want. 100 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:15,680 Do you want money? Do you want a message? 101 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,079 Speaker 3: What is it? 102 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,959 Speaker 2: You want tell us, we want to listen, and they 103 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,680 talk about, you know, the world of manipulated voices. In 104 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,319 other words, they know about these ransom notes. They specifically 105 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:30,920 discuss it, but there's manipulated voices, so we don't know 106 00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:33,120 if it's really the abductors. We don't know if it's 107 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,919 really you. So reach out to us and let us know. 108 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:41,440 And then of course they strengthen mom. They kind of 109 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,360 close with strengthening mob We're all looking, we're all here, 110 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,919 We're not going to give up. So there's a lot 111 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,559 of messaging there from the family. It's very very good. 112 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,240 The abductors just to close, have to They went to 113 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:56,840 a lot of effort to break in, to assault Nancy, 114 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:58,679 to take her away, to hide her out. They went 115 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,799 to a whole lot of effort, and now they have 116 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,320 to close their circle for their goal, and that is 117 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,240 they have to communicate. So the best thing they can do, 118 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,679 their best options the abductors is to release Nancy, leave 119 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,840 her at the foot of a church somewhere the store, 120 00:09:14,279 --> 00:09:18,039 or take the step to communicate to see if you 121 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:18,759 can reach your goal. 122 00:09:19,879 --> 00:09:20,399 Speaker 3: So that's all. 123 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: In response to the video that the Guthrie family released, 124 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,559 Savannah her brother and her sister released a video last night. 125 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:31,320 I'm not going to play the whole thing for you, 126 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,759 but a lot of people questioning it didn't sound like 127 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:41,759 the way that Savannah would talk. It was I'm surprised 128 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:44,559 to did not have a better microphone. It was kind 129 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,320 of one of those in a room, so a little echoey. 130 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,960 But the idea is that apparently the family wrote this 131 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:58,480 this video text to somehow communicate with the people who 132 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,840 abducted their mother, and then the FBI profilers and all 133 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,519 that got involved and wanted to make sure that there 134 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:11,600 were certain words in there like mom and mommy and 135 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,960 describing her as a wonderful grandmother with grandchildren that love her, 136 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,080 all of those things. Apparently the FBI thought that would 137 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 be important to put in as well. Here's a little 138 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:28,279 here's a piece of the clip from Savannah reading the 139 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,159 message that she hopes that the abductors are watching. 140 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: We two have heard the reports about a ransom letter 141 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:42,360 in the media. As a family, we are doing everything 142 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:50,519 that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we 143 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:56,120 live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. 144 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,600 We need to know without a doubt that she is 145 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:07,919 alive and that you have her, we want to hear 146 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,559 from you, and we are ready to listen. Please reach 147 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:14,279 out to us. 148 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,759 Speaker 1: So the abductors are in a pickle. If she is 149 00:11:18,799 --> 00:11:21,759 alive and they have her, they got to do something. 150 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,159 They've got they can't just just maybe maybe they will 151 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,559 leave her someplace that people can find her. But at 152 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,440 this point they're saying just contacts. Well, they're afraid to 153 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:35,679 contact because they're afraid that they will there will be 154 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,960 a trace and then the police will find them. But 155 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 at the same time, Savannah is absolutely right. I mean, 156 00:11:42,159 --> 00:11:46,720 with AI and all the manipulation of voice and video images, 157 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:50,159 you've got to You've got to do more than just 158 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,279 take a photo of her. You've got to do something else. 159 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,200 Robin Draeke FBI, former FBI weighed in. 160 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,759 Speaker 5: They did pick up new information that was hopefully focusing 161 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:04,120 in their efforts in a new area. The fact that 162 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,399 they brought in canines, I thought was really relevant because 163 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:12,000 those dogs are phenomenally sense. They're tracking people, they're also 164 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,320 identifying new potential leads for them, as well as bringing 165 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,200 in drones. So that new renewed presence out there gives 166 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,519 me hope they're collecting a lot of information that we're 167 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:23,399 completely unaware of at this Paul. 168 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: More of the former NYPD guy, he has been sent 169 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,240 down to Tucson to see what he can find out there. 170 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,480 This is what he said today. 171 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, according to the sheriff, what they did was they 172 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,519 took the physical camera and sent it to the company 173 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,960 that makes it and that administers it. 174 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: It's Google. 175 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 6: From what I understand, it's actually not ring its nest, 176 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,840 the same kind of thing, so that they could try 177 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,360 to examine it to see if they could digitally extract 178 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:53,039 something that could shed a little bit more light on 179 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,159 what occurred. And the answer is a fast null. It 180 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,960 looks like, as the sheriff said, the subscription had expired, 181 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,840 the thing was over writing, and they just didn't get 182 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,120 anything off the camera. And you know, I was hoping 183 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,960 for the same thing because he said that thing at 184 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000 the beginning of the press conference about we're in the 185 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,399 await the analysis mode. And that's why, just to clarify, 186 00:13:14,519 --> 00:13:17,639 I went with the DNA question because if you remember 187 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,559 the Coburger case, where it looked like, in a similar way, 188 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,639 they've hit a bit of a wall. They don't have 189 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:26,960 somebody that they're looking at early on they did the 190 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,200 genetic genealogy when they got the DNA off of the 191 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,320 night HASP. In this case, they said earlier that they 192 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,759 put out the DNA on a rush job from the 193 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:41,360 most likely place, which was the front of the house, 194 00:13:41,919 --> 00:13:45,159 and they expected to get an answer back overnight. That 195 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,879 time is come and gone. So when he said we 196 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,559 were awaiting analysis, what I was hoping we were going 197 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,559 to get from the local FBI agent, and that's why 198 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:57,879 I asked him, was yes, we got alien DNA that 199 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,639 shouldn't be there, but the person's on I identified. If 200 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,200 the person was identified of it person hit in the 201 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,039 federal database, that code is database, we'd already know who 202 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,000 it is. They apparently don't have that, nor did they 203 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,279 submit it yet. So what does that tell me? I 204 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:13,480 think at this point the DNA you have to say 205 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,200 is a blind alley. And to support that little bit 206 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,279 of a dampening metric, I would argue is that the 207 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,720 sheriff said kind of casually, but I felt it was 208 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:25,679 important that they were going to be putting up billboards 209 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,279 around the area and in Arizona to try to sensitize 210 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,600 the population here. To Nancy, what she looks like and 211 00:14:33,639 --> 00:14:37,000 what's going on. You don't do that if you're making 212 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,600 real good progress or you're awaiting analysis from something that 213 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:43,080 you feel is going to blow the case open. So 214 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,519 I don't feel right now like they're in a position 215 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:48,600 to say, hey, we're making great progress. But let me 216 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:51,679 be clear, you got a lot of investigative muscle here. 217 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 They're going to get who did this? I feel certain, 218 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:55,679 just may take some time. 219 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,279 Speaker 1: So the question about the camera and the fact that 220 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,320 they no, there's nothing in the camera. It sends a signal, 221 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,279 It sends a digital file to your computer or to 222 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:11,159 your iPhone and maybe to a cloud. But what they 223 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,480 were looking in the camera for? And they also said 224 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:17,000 that it had been disconnected at one forty seven, So 225 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:20,519 if they disconnected it, maybe the culprit left the camera. 226 00:15:20,559 --> 00:15:23,759 There's still there's a lot of questions out of all 227 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:27,159 of this. Then the question was asked about, you know, 228 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,440 you're only sixty miles from the Mexican border. Could this 229 00:15:30,519 --> 00:15:36,240 be a cartel? Because of the fact that the cartel's 230 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,720 business of getting money from people that are trying to 231 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,919 get across the US border, that business has dried up. 232 00:15:44,679 --> 00:15:47,759 Is there somebody in the cartel that's in Mexico, that 233 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,159 is hurting for money and thought they would do this. 234 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 6: I would put that in these sort of outer ring 235 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,879 of possibilities. Of course, you can't discount it. You were 236 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,120 very close, and you know what happens in situations like that. 237 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,080 This would be a desperate move, certainly if you're a 238 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,000 cartel member. So why would a cartel member do something 239 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:07,639 that could potentially draw a light to the cartel because 240 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:10,440 this is not how they normally make money, certainly from America. 241 00:16:10,519 --> 00:16:12,799 You'd be bringing a lot of heat. It would have 242 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,120 to be somebody who went rogue, maybe somebody who owes 243 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:17,559 a middleman a lot of money, something where they're just 244 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:18,399 really desperate. 245 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,879 Speaker 3: It would be a really foolish move. 246 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 6: If you're a car if you're actually card carrying member 247 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:25,879 of the Sinaloa Cartel or something like that, because all 248 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:27,919 you're going to do is bring down the weight of 249 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,279 the federal government here. But that said, the fact that 250 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,600 they contacted TMZ and not the actual network that Savannah 251 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:40,039 works for argues some lack of familiarity with the landscape here. 252 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,679 And the other thing I'm wondering too, is this thing 253 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:46,600 about the Apple Watch. We know that they talked about 254 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,639 the fact that she had an Apple Watch and that 255 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,320 there was a floodlight. So when did that come in? 256 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,279 And they were a little unclear about that. They said 257 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,000 they were running it down. Here's what I would be 258 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,720 looking at. Is there anything in previous social media and 259 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:02,679 it doesn't have to be from the victim. It could 260 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:05,440 be from Savannah innocently putting out I spent a day 261 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,119 with my mother, etc. Where it's clear the mother is 262 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:08,880 wearing the water. 263 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 7: There is there is. 264 00:17:10,039 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 6: I can confirm that we have a picture we've been 265 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,880 showing often with Nancy Gothrie wearing the apple It's a 266 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,039 white Apple watch. So that pours a little bit more 267 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,119 water on the idea that this ransom note and it 268 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,599 could definitely be genuine. But the fact that there's no 269 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,559 protocols for an exchange, the fact that some of this 270 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:32,839 stuff is already out there, starting to suggest to me 271 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,119 that this is somebody sitting in a place we can't 272 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,920 reach who knows about bitcoin, maybe knows something about ransomware, 273 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,559 maybe something someplace in Russia or something like that, and 274 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,039 just piggybacked on this whole thing. 275 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be. It could be somebody that's watching 276 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,000 the news from some far away country and said I'm 277 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,480 going to try and get some of that money. As 278 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,839 far as the ransom note, the FBI said the same 279 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,480 one was sent to three places. Paul brought up TMZ 280 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:04,039 and the fact that nobody sent the ransom note to NBC. 281 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,400 So they sent the note to TMC and to two 282 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:20,680 local television stations in Tucson, KOLDTV and KGUN TV. So 283 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:24,039 that says to me that they at least took the 284 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:28,000 trouble to know what local media was there, or they 285 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:30,920 live in the area and they know exactly that those 286 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,720 are two local television stations. Sheriff also brought up the 287 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:38,960 fact that they are thinking about the fact that maybe 288 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:43,039 this wasn't supposed to be an abduction. Back to Paul Moro. 289 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 6: In that case, then your most likely scenario is a 290 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,079 burglary gone bad, I mean taking off the table, something 291 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,759 crazy or revenge thing, or some other motive that's a 292 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,799 lot more malevolent. You would have to say then that 293 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,480 it was somebody who maybe made the connection, thought that 294 00:19:01,559 --> 00:19:06,039 this person was very wealthy because of the connection, and thought, 295 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:07,359 you know what, I'm going to go in the house. 296 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 3: She's probably got jewels that her daughter bought for her. 297 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 6: And you know, look, I gotta give a reference that's 298 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,440 kind of blunt, but in cold blood the famous Truman 299 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,279 Capodi that came out of a jail house rumor that 300 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:24,880 a family had a lot of money, and so in jail, 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,839 the two perpetrators schemed the whole thing and committed to crime. 302 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,400 And there's not a lot of history of successful kidnappings 303 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,200 or things like that by any means. So you got 304 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,759 to look at things like that. Who has gotten out 305 00:19:37,759 --> 00:19:40,559 of jail recently. You got to work your informants. Is 306 00:19:40,599 --> 00:19:43,200 this from the criminal class that may have heard something 307 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,039 like this. That's why the reward is very important. I 308 00:19:46,079 --> 00:19:48,680 have to say, I still think the reward needs to 309 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,920 be higher. You have to incentivize somebody who's maybe next 310 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,759 to the perpetrators here to say I'm going to give 311 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:55,759 this whole thing up. I had nothing to do with it, 312 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,079 but I'm not going to be quiet for their sake 313 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,119 because I'm looking at a big score. Still surprised that 314 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:05,200 you're not getting non government rewards being piled into this thing. 315 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 3: There has to be a reason for that. I just 316 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,759 don't see it yet. 317 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: Though. Another overpiece of the news conference, the sheriff of 318 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:16,960 the county there in Tucson brought up the fact that 319 00:20:17,599 --> 00:20:22,680 Nancy was brought to her daughter's home for dinner on 320 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:25,200 Saturday night via Uber. 321 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 8: We did speak to a driver because Nancy, we learned, 322 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:36,039 had been taken the Uber the family residence the daughter 323 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,960 for dinner, and we located that driver and spoke with 324 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,599 them and got that information. 325 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,319 Speaker 1: Well, Paul Morrow reacts to what the sheriff just said. 326 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,519 Speaker 6: Interesting because a lot of us have been speculating. Now, 327 00:20:49,559 --> 00:20:52,000 she probably didn't drive herself a lot if you did 328 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,920 indeed have a car, and in fact, probably it's not 329 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,640 carrying groceries, going to the doctor, things like that, because 330 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,319 she was elderly, had a hard time getting around. So 331 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,319 what that suggests to me is, obviously she has an 332 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,480 Uber account. So now you can go back into the 333 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,799 Uber account and you can get that just off her 334 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:11,160 credit card and you can get it from Uber. Whoever 335 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:14,640 driver's been, what other drivers has she used? These are 336 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,880 people who have seen the house. As the old saying goes, 337 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,880 what do you cove it? You cover it what you see. 338 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:21,759 And if there have been people that have been in 339 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:24,559 and around the house that have come to the conclusion 340 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,039 that there's wealth for me here by whatever means. That's 341 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:30,799 what you have to start to look at. It sounds 342 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,279 like they washed out the Uber driver. Let's remember we 343 00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:35,799 had an Uber driver in the Coburger case that provided 344 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,799 good information. We have nothing to do with the crime, 345 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,200 so let's not jump any conclusions. But you're definitely going 346 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,720 to be looking at people who were in and around 347 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,079 the house, whether a health aid, a driver, somebody who's 348 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,039 been in the house to drop off groceries or do repairs. 349 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,960 Those are the people you're going to scrape back very hard. 350 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,200 And it's probably or maybe it's not them, it's somebody 351 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,279 related who heard about it. 352 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,079 Speaker 1: So back to the FBI agent Robert Robin Draeke reaction 353 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,279 to all the events that were talked about today. 354 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 5: Paul Morrow was saying, this is a complicated case because 355 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,599 if you're looking at the stats and the probabilities, the 356 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,960 probability of abduction being the number one prime motive and 357 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,279 driver of this is so low and so remote. So 358 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:24,480 it might have been an afterthought as like something went 359 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:28,279 sideways inside that home and chaos ensued, But that messaging 360 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,079 was so rich and so powerful and so impactful on many, 361 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,720 many different levels. So the family comes in, they create 362 00:22:34,759 --> 00:22:37,839 their heartfelt narrative that they want to give out to 363 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,559 the world, and then the behavior experts and the profilers 364 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,279 coming and they start crafting a little bit for a 365 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,200 lot of different audiences there. I thought the really compelling 366 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,559 words in there is that we're here and ready to listen, 367 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,319 because if this person took her out of spite, out 368 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:53,440 of resentment, that's saying, hey, I'm here to listen. But also, 369 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:57,440 Paul said, complicated case means there's a lot of leakage 370 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,519 if there's more than one person that's aware of this 371 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,400 in some way, and so this message they put out 372 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,920 is extremely empathetic. It plays on the emotions of everyone involved, 373 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,839 and so that might spur someone to take some action, 374 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,599 because that's really what they want to do. They want 375 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:13,400 the perpetrator of this is taken action because actions give leads, 376 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,599 they give data points that we can follow up on. 377 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,480 It's a collaboration because anytime you're working on a case 378 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,400 like this, you're collaborating with all the players involved. And 379 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,160 so whether it's initiated by law enforcement order by the family, 380 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,759 it's probably joint idea to put a message out there. 381 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:29,519 And typically what you'll have is like you tell the family, 382 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:32,000 put out a compelling message for your mom and for 383 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,759 the person that did this horrendous crime. And then what 384 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:36,960 they do is as behavior experts, they come in and 385 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,039 try to nudge things in a little bit of different 386 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,880 ways with just language and stuff, so the message will 387 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,960 be very genuine, organic to them, but really tweaked for 388 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,200 the messaging they're trying to get out to these different audiences. 389 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: One more little fact we learned today. The sheriff said 390 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,720 that the blood drops that were on the front porch 391 00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:59,680 of the house were in fact Nancies so could well, yeah, 392 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,839 she lived there, so it could have been from a 393 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,680 previous incident, but most likely it was as they were 394 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,000 forcing her or carrying her. 395 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: Out of the house. 396 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: And about the pacemaker, is that how critical is that 397 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,039 to a patient that has a pacemaker in there? Matt 398 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,359 monitors their heart doctor Nicole Sapphire answered those questions. 399 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 7: We do know about Nancy Guthur is she is medically 400 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,640 vulnerable in the sense that she at least has a 401 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,720 hard condition that requires a pacemaker. And what they have 402 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,319 told the public is that that pacemaker stopped sinking early 403 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,799 in those morning hours. Now, this does not mean that 404 00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:39,000 the pacemaker itself stopped functioning. What it means is it 405 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:43,039 was no longer transmitting to the local transmitter. Oftentimes this 406 00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,440 is kept in the household. It can also be connected 407 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,279 via bluetooth to a phone or an Apple Watch. And 408 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:50,599 we were also told that all these devices were still 409 00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:52,559 in the house. So the fact that the pacemaker is 410 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,240 no longer sinking, you know, that is not a cause 411 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,200 of concern in the sense that she has just been 412 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,359 now separated from those devices. Now, it is oran to 413 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,799 note about eighty percent of women over the age of 414 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:05,920 eighty have a pacemaker. The reason that women have pacemakers 415 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:09,440 is because of kind of what happens in older age 416 00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,880 and electrical failure of the heart, and the pacemaker is 417 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,519 implanted to make sure that that heart is continuing to beat. 418 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:16,519 Speaker 5: That video is. 419 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,039 Speaker 7: Heartbreaking, and so that is my biggest concern is what 420 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,599 are those daily medications that she takes. They alluded to 421 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,200 the fact that she has limited mobility. She lives in 422 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:27,240 chronic pain. So it is possible that those daily medications 423 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,799 are pain medications. If they are even low dose opioids 424 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:32,759 and she doesn't have them, then she may be going 425 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,839 through some form of opioid withdrawal in addition to being 426 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,759 in chronic pain, and an opioid withdrawal can be a 427 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:43,200 medical emergency. On top of that, women who have pacemakers 428 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,599 tend to be on medications for high blood pressure by cholesterol. 429 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,200 Sometimes they're on blood thinners for clotting issues, and either 430 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:54,039 arrhythmic medications to keep their heart pumping correctly. So while 431 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,160 going a few days without these medications may in itself 432 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,160 be benign, prolonged absence of not take these medications can 433 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,839 result in a medical emergency. As I mentioned, withdrawal symptoms 434 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,079 high blood pressure, stroke, heart attack, and others. So we 435 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:12,400 hope and pray that she is found soon and gets 436 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,920 the medical attention that she needs. 437 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: So that's the update that we got today. There was 438 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,119 a lot of new information late this afternoon. We also 439 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,799 found out that one of the ransom letters, even though 440 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,960 the same one was sent to three different places, they 441 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,400 said that a ransom letter. They found out who authored 442 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,480 it and it's a person in Los Angeles. The FBI 443 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,720 has located that person and that person is now in 444 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:44,519 custody under arrest. So is the person the author of 445 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:50,440 the three or the one with the different anyway, one 446 00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:54,079 of the authors of one of the ransom letters is 447 00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:58,000 now in custody. You've got to be somewhat twisted to 448 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,240 try and get involved in something like this, But there 449 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:07,680 are twisted people. So let's let me get another story 450 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,440 in here today. The Save Act, the SAVE Act is well, 451 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,519 you can bet that there's two different argues. I'm looking 452 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,680 online at the summary. One of them from the Campaign 453 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,720 Legal Center says a bill in Congress to Safeguard American 454 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:29,200 Voter Eligibility Act to SAVE Act could silence millions of 455 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:35,440 voters by creating new barriers to voter registration. Then there's 456 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:41,400 another version, and this one comes from the House. House 457 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,279 dot gov says the Act may be cited as the 458 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:51,119 Save Act, ensuring only citizens are registered to vote. So, 459 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,960 Harry Inton, this is a fascinating to watch. Harry Nton 460 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:01,640 put his analytical skills together and said, how many people, 461 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:06,079 other than politicians, how many people are for or against 462 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,880 having voter ID laws. 463 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: Take a look here, favorite photo id to vote. 464 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 9: Eighty five percent of white people favorite, eighty two percent 465 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,680 of Latino, seventy six percent of black American's favorite. So 466 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:21,640 the bottom line is this voter ID is not controversial 467 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960 in this country. A photo ID to vote is not 468 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,279 controversial in this country. It is not controversial by party, 469 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,319 and it is not controversial by race. The vast majority 470 00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,039 of Americans agree with Nicki Minaj that, in fact, you 471 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,559 should have a photo ID to be able to vote. 472 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: Well, there's a guy, his name is Amy Horrowitz, and 473 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,599 well let's get his story. He went out and did 474 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,200 some surveys on the street. Well, let's play those first, because, 475 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,079 as Harry said, eighty five percent of whites, eighty two 476 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:55,359 percent of Latinos, seventy six percent of blacks are four 477 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:02,799 photo ID when you read the vote. And so Amy 478 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,119 went out onto the street of various cities around the 479 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:12,759 country and he started with asking only white people about 480 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,319 do they do they? Are they for or against a 481 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,440 requirement for photo ID to vote? 482 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: Do you have an opinion of voter d laws. Yeah, 483 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,799 they're usually pretty racist and they're bad. I think voter 484 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000 ID laws are a way to perpetuate racism. You say, 485 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,119 would you go as far as those laws are racist? 486 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:32,559 Speaker 7: For sure? 487 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: Do you think it suppresses the African American vote? 488 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 7: Definitely, because they're less likely to have state IDs. 489 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 10: Minority voters are less likely to have the kinds of 490 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,640 ideas that have been described or required. 491 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 6: These type of people don't live in areas with easy 492 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,039 access to d mbs or other places where can get identification. 493 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,839 Speaker 3: You can always get ideas do over the internet. Is 494 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,400 that also make it difficult for black people. 495 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 10: In particularly, Yeah, ye have to have access to the internet. 496 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,359 You have to be able to pay an incident service 497 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,599 provider for certain faith. 498 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: Do you think that's harder for black people to go online? 499 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,599 Speaker 5: Well, I feel like they don't have the knowledge of 500 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,200 how of like how it works. 501 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,119 Speaker 3: A lot of people have smartphones, they might have data. 502 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 11: For most of the communities, they don't really know what 503 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,799 is out there just because they're not aware or like 504 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,279 they're not informed. I also think there's a repression of 505 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,400 like black voting with how they how if you're a 506 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,920 convicted felon, like you're not allowed to vote and everything. 507 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,559 And when you look at swing states like Florida, that's 508 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640 a huge population of the of the like African Americans. 509 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: Wow, he found a lot of racists. I mean those 510 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,039 were all young white men and women and they all 511 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,480 were saying, no, it's it's racist, it's terrible. And besides that, 512 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:51,079 minorities are too dumb or too poor, or they're convicted felons, 513 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:57,599 so it's not fair. Wow, what a bunch of racists. 514 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,519 That's their view of Black America or Latino America. So 515 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,759 let's go to another group that he stopped on the 516 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:12,000 sidewalks of America, and this is all African Americans responded 517 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:16,039 to his questions about should there be photo ID required 518 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:16,519 to vote? 519 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: Do you carry ID? Yes? 520 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 8: I do. 521 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: Do you know anybody who any black person doesn't carry? 522 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: Idea? 523 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,799 Speaker 3: No, and one that I know has ID. 524 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 4: Why would they think they don't have ID? 525 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,799 Speaker 7: Huh, that's a lot. 526 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 3: Why would they say that do you have ID? 527 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 11: Yes? 528 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 10: Because I have my ID and my friends have the idea, 529 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:33,920 so we know what we need to carry around. 530 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,839 Speaker 7: Everybody that I know have ID, Like that's one of 531 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,440 the things you need to walk them around with New 532 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:39,759 York with ID. 533 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: Do you know any black adult who does not have ID? 534 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 10: No? 535 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: I don't. Is it a weird thing to even say that? Yes? 536 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:51,799 Speaker 1: It is okay. So the white people said that blacks 537 00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,680 can't figure it out, they're too poor, they don't know 538 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,519 how to get ID, or they're convicted felons, and the 539 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,279 black people are all going, I'm don't know anybody that 540 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:09,319 doesn't have ID. So go back to Harry Inton. What 541 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,000 was it. Eighty five percent of whites, eighty two percent 542 00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,960 of Latinos in seventy six percent of black say there 543 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,240 should be photo ID to vote. And the guy who 544 00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:24,319 did this survey, like I said, his name is Amy Horowitz, 545 00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,559 and this is why he did it. It's an interesting story. 546 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,119 Speaker 12: It's also they deny that there's voter fraud out there. 547 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:32,279 And the reason why I made that video originally is 548 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,160 because I was going to vote and in Los Angeles 549 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200 at the time, and my father had died just like 550 00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:43,920 six seven months prior to that, and I went to 551 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,839 vote and his name was on the voter rules, okay, 552 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,480 which I wasn't crazy because you know, he just died 553 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,960 if I don't know how long it takes them to read 554 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,039 the voter rules, but somebody had voted for him. 555 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:55,759 Speaker 3: Right there's a check martin next to name. 556 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 12: And I said to the guy, go, my father died, 557 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,960 he's dead. 558 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:02,119 Speaker 3: It came in, gave his name, gave. 559 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 12: His address because easy look that up, and they voted 560 00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,640 for him. And that's what inspired me to do that video, 561 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,480 because there's massive, massive amount of voter fraud out there, 562 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,839 and voter d were eliminate a lot of that. 563 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,039 Speaker 1: But yeah, but just think about this when you when 564 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,640 you see the next group come forward, uh and say that, no, 565 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,440 we can't have this, this will discriminate against blacks. Oh, 566 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,319 I want to hear things like this. I think back 567 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:34,079 to Malcolm X who said white Americans who identify as 568 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:38,319 a liberal are the most dangerous and deceitful thing in 569 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:43,759 the Western hemisphere. So that was Malcolm X on white liberals. 570 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,799 And boy, you just heard it in that in that 571 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,279 sidewalk survey, they all thought that blacks were incapable of 572 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,960 getting photo ID. What a put down. I'm sure they 573 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,759 don't think of themselves as racist. They probably think of 574 00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:04,079 themselves as wonderful people to help the poor, uneducated black person. 575 00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,319 We'll see if the Say Act get anywhere. But the 576 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,199 Democrats in Congress are of course very much opposed to it. 577 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,159 On Wall Street, today's Wall Street's getting pretty interesting. This 578 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,880 is another big down day today for the markets. A 579 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,719 lot of the a lot of the companies out there 580 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:29,039 that are in the business of building data centers so 581 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:34,400 they can expand their AI power. A lot of Wall 582 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,320 Street investors are thinking maybe they've gone too far, maybe 583 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,400 they're spending too much, they're not getting a return on 584 00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:47,079 investment yet. And if you take and they're worried about 585 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,639 the fact that software companies that AI is going to 586 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,639 be able to wipe out software companies. So a lot 587 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,239 of the software company stocks tech stocks have been going 588 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,199 downhill for weeks now. But if if you think about it, 589 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,320 even a company who wants to plug in AI into 590 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,239 their company, they're not going to go in and tear 591 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,480 out all of their software and run their entire company 592 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,960 on AI. That just is if that happens, it's many 593 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,280 many years down the road. So there's a lot of 594 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480 kind of crazy thinking I think going on on Wall 595 00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:26,840 Street right now. And then add on to that, they're 596 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,039 all trying to figure out who is going to be 597 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:32,280 the leader of AI, and they're throwing a lot of 598 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,519 money at it. It's making Wall Street nervous. Last night, 599 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,639 after the market closed, Alphabet Google if you will, came 600 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:44,199 out with their fourth quarter earnings and their plans for 601 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,159 making more investment in AI, and they said they're cap 602 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,800 x spending the capital that they will spend to push 603 00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:00,880 into new eras of AI wall was thinking they're going 604 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,599 to go really crazy, maybe spend one hundred billion dollars. No, 605 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,360 it turned out they said we're going to spend one 606 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,760 hundred and eighty five billion dollars. So alphabet slash Google 607 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,159 is going to pour even more money into AI investments. 608 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,239 And so all of this is causing a lot of 609 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,679 selling in the tech sector because people are afraid that 610 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,599 their companies have gone too far, their software is going 611 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:30,800 to be wiped out, that they're not going to get 612 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,679 a return on their investment from their capac spending for AI. 613 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,440 But again may also just be the fact that there 614 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,760 was a big run up in all of these tech stocks. 615 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,960 So today, when all was said and done, the Dow 616 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,360 started lower and stayed lower, went down five hundred ninety two, 617 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,559 the Dow at forty eight thousand and nineh eight, SMB 618 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,519 down eighty four, Nasdaq down three hundred and sixty four, 619 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000 the price of gold down one hundred and fifty two 620 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:07,719 dollars to forty seven ninety eight, price of oil down 621 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,519 two bucks to sixty three dollars or a barrel of oil. 622 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:18,519 And Bitcoin is also part of the selloff. I mean, 623 00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,000 they were up to about one hundred and twenty five 624 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:25,480 thousand dollars. They're now half of that lost fifty percent. 625 00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:30,320 It's now down. It was down today to sixty three 626 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:35,159 thousand and some change for bitcoin. So a lot of 627 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:40,000 volatility is really showing up on Wall Street trading. So 628 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,039 that's it for today. Thank you for coming by. We 629 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,239 will be back again tomorrow. Yay it's Friday. We will 630 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:47,840 see you that