WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.599 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:29.320 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 3 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:29.960 the poll? 4 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.119 The question why. 5 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:40.560 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 6 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.640 Where the truth we find? 7 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:51.240 They built their tails on grafts and lines, on theories. 8 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.240 They stake their designed. 9 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:59.960 Put down here on this solid graph. 10 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.240 The answer scream. 11 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:11.280 They're all around, Rise and break through all the lies. 12 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:12.640 So fast. 13 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:17.159 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 14 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.680 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm 15 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:23.799 your host is always George Hobbs. As we record it 16 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.640 is Wednesday, August sixth, twenty twenty five. The weather here 17 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.640 in the Mid Atlantic region has been absolutely beautiful, and 18 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.640 our guest today knows about great weather. He's joining us 19 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.120 from southern California and his name is Scott. And again, Scott, 20 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.159 thank you so much for your time this afternoon. I 21 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:40.079 really appreciate it. 22 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:42.200 Yeah, yeah, good to meet you. 23 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:45.799 Yeah. Likewise, and I know again we've been playing email tag, 24 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:50.000 but we were able to finally connect and set up 25 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.680 a time and here we are, and again, thank you 26 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:54.719 very much for your time. And before we get started 27 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.920 deep into the conversation, take a few minutes and introduce 28 00:01:57.959 --> 00:01:59.319 yourself to the audience if you would. 29 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:06.239 Yeah. So I'm Scott. I was born and raised Inventura County, California, 30 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:10.240 kind of between LA and in Santa Barbara. Out of 31 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:12.840 high school, I moved to ben Oregon, lived there for 32 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.879 a couple of years, and my future girlfriend there or 33 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.080 future wife, she was born and raised in Orange County. 34 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:24.719 We happened met in the Pacific Northwest. Ended up coming 35 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:26.960 back to California, getting married, and then moving up to 36 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:31.439 Washington for about nine years, had some kids up there, 37 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:34.599 and then went through the pandemic up there, and kind 38 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.080 of moved back down home to California just a couple 39 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:37.680 of years ago. 40 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.240 So you were in Washington during the pandemic. 41 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:48.400 Yeah, were you? You're in a big city or it's Bellingham, Washington, Okay, 42 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.319 So you weren't at an hour two north of Seattle. 43 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:54.120 Okay, So you weren't really close to that nonsense that 44 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:55.560 was going on during the summer. 45 00:02:56.360 --> 00:02:58.479 No, but I was right up against the Canadian border, 46 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:03.479 and it's it was that was interesting. 47 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.840 Really in what in what in what manner I. 48 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:08.719 Worked at a large I still do work at a 49 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.719 large grocery chain up there. Transferred down here and the 50 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.800 Canadians would would come in over the border to shop 51 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:20.199 at our store. Oh yeah, yeah, And then of course 52 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:22.240 the border closures had a big effect on that. It 53 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:26.960 was it's pretty a liberal area. And of course working 54 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.439 with the public in a grocery store with the clash 55 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.280 of two countries, it was just a lot of drama 56 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.719 and a lot of a lot of hectic stuff going on. 57 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.919 Did you see a lot of people like becoming authoritative, 58 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.360 like assuming had authority and you know, going off about 59 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.599 masks and social distancing in the grocery stores. 60 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:49.919 Yeah, for sure. There's some coworkers that really took it 61 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:54.400 to the limit, kind of being super bossy about things 62 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.840 and trying to implement rules and social distancing and all 63 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.439 that stuff. And then they want to let me clock 64 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:02.639 in without without a mask on. So if that's about 65 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.719 as far as I went on the clock, I kept 66 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.639 a mask on. But other than that, I thought the 67 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:08.039 whole thing was ridiculous. 68 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.879 Yeah, it's it's interesting how they really forced people in 69 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:14.840 some way, shape or form to participate in that game. 70 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:19.879 If you wanted medical assistance. You know, my wife, she 71 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.439 was forced to wear two masks like to it was 72 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:25.279 a ritual it was a public humiliation and it was 73 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.480 also the way to mark these people is that person 74 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.480 didn't get the jab. You could tell because they're wearing 75 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.360 two masks. So it was a very deep and nefarious 76 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:37.959 meaning behind what we saw in twenty twenty. And I 77 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:41.399 guess I should ask, were you awake prior to the 78 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.959 pandemic or was it the pandemic or was it something 79 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:44.560 more recent? 80 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.920 No, well, in high school, I definitely started questioning some things. 81 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.560 I try to not dive too deep into it because 82 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.480 I knew I could become obsessive and didn't want to 83 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.720 spiral it, so I kind of kept it at arm's 84 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.519 length until the pandemic kind of forced me to. You know, 85 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.480 I got to wake up. I got kids now, and 86 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.800 I need to make the right choices for my family. 87 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:07.600 This vaccine, I know I need to. I can't just 88 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:09.199 go ahead and get that. You gotta do a little 89 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.160 bit more research and Lengthily, none of us got it, 90 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:17.600 so dodgetable at there. But I've always kind of been curious. 91 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.639 My dad, especially, he was big into the Book of 92 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.759 Revelations and love just talking about what's going on in 93 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.439 the world, and he was kind of more the the 94 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.399 fire and Brimstone type, you know, like I need to 95 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.399 be more scared and I could get caught up in that, 96 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.879 so I kind of, you know, I try to keep 97 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:37.439 my head out of that for a little while, but 98 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.120 you know, pandemic definitely, I dope back into it and 99 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.480 come across your podcast, and that woke me up. 100 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:48.040 Yeah, there's something to say with eschatology and times eschatology, 101 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.399 and you know, my whole point is just to if 102 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.279 to stay ready, and in many of Paul letters he 103 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.199 says the same thing, just to be ready and focus 104 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:01.160 on not so much which people do you get really 105 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.680 wrapped up in? Right? You saw not that anything that 106 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.480 happened in Waco was justified. But David what was his 107 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:12.240 last name? Boy, shame on me for not remembering his name. 108 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.480 I'm just having a brain cramp here. It's been a 109 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.319 long day. But he was very much most of his 110 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.000 preachings were based on It wasn't solely revelations and things 111 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:26.079 of that nature, but it was something he was very 112 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.920 much wrapped up into. And I think you really have 113 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.920 to it's okay to be cognizant of those things. And 114 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:36.279 even today I'm doing a paper on something one of 115 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:40.279 Paul's letters and second Thessalonians, which Paul refers to in 116 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.720 a prophetic kind of vision from Joel. So many of 117 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.079 the New Testament books do refer to some of the 118 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.680 prophetic things in the Old Testament, but I don't try 119 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:55.199 to dwell on them or every time something happens, Trump's 120 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.879 ear getting shot, and try to go to the Book 121 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.120 of Revelations and try to kind of figure out where 122 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:00.000 we are, you know what I mean? 123 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.560 Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, like in high school, I 124 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.600 did come across. I was reading Michael Crichton's novels. I 125 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:09.920 don't know if you've read any. 126 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.240 Of his Jurassic part guy, right. 127 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.360 Yeah. He came out with the book called State of Fear, 128 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:21.680 and that was kind of showing how people governments. I 129 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:23.920 guess they kind of drum up a fear that they 130 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.680 want to keep the general public in a constant state 131 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:29.720 of fear. It's a war, it's a global warming and 132 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:34.000 all this stuff. And Michael Crane has a interesting way 133 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:36.399 of writing. He would do a lot of kind of 134 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.480 notes and I think it was a I think he 135 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.160 was a doctor or some type of scientists, so he 136 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.759 provided a lot of like factual data behind it, and 137 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.279 he was talking about how the global warming was kind 138 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.639 of kind of a big scam, and he was citing 139 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.759 a lot of documents and a lot of really good 140 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:59.319 arguments against global warming, and of course I was high 141 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.199 school and just assumed global warming was a real thing. 142 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.240 It was the first time I thought, maybe, no, maybe 143 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.160 it's not. Maybe there's something something else to it. 144 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:12.720 That's interesting because I'm just kind of breezing through the 145 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:17.920 shysnopsis of the book, and apparently Antarctica is involved in it, 146 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.040 the Antarctica cooling controversy. 147 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.720 Yeah. Yeah. And then around the same time too, I 148 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.160 saw a bumper sticker about nine to eleven saying nine 149 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.800 to eleven was an inside job and it had only 150 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:33.399 been a couple of years since it happened, And it 151 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.759 kind of just blew my mind that, like what are 152 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.840 you talking about? Like just opening up my different ways 153 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.759 of thinking. Really, I don't know, it was an interesting time. 154 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.720 I tried to put myself. I've tried a few times, 155 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:51.960 because it wasn't until twenty ten ish. I could be wrong, 156 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:55.600 maybe it was eight. But if I saw something like 157 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:57.759 that within a year or two of the event happening, 158 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:00.480 I don't know how I would have reacted. I think 159 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.799 it probably back then, if it was you know, semi 160 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.559 close to it, it probably angered a lot of people, right, 161 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:11.080 not understanding, but it posts twenty twenty, in this really 162 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.919 post dystopian world that we're living in now, I think 163 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.200 people are almost open to anything. People are certainly more 164 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.919 receptive and open to things than were, you know, prior 165 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:20.759 to twenty twenty. 166 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.080 Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. I think the pandemic 167 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.360 woke a lot of people up, whether that was intentional 168 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:26.679 or not. 169 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:30.799 Where in the journey did fltterth enter. 170 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:36.639 When I moved back to California a couple of years ago, 171 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.120 I started working again with my mom. She owns a 172 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.559 local honey business here in Ventura, and she's on the 173 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:49.240 same page on all of this except flat Earth. But 174 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.320 she was she was anti vax and was part of 175 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.879 there's a community called Brave. They were trying to stay 176 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.960 open throughout the pandemic and they just really you know, 177 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.720 dinner to the line. And so me and my mom 178 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:05.519 were talking about, you know, the conspiracy theories and all 179 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.799 that kind of stuff, and one that I'd been seeing 180 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:09.799 around the internet was flat Earth and asked her, what 181 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.759 do you think about that, and so we did a 182 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.480 quick search on it, and I learned that there was 183 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:17.840 some biblical basis to it, which I'd never realized before, 184 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.960 and that made me curious. And I found a book 185 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.120 by I think it's Matthew Long, The House that Jesus Built, 186 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.039 and then I read that it's a short, short, little book, 187 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:33.840 and it has a Christian bias toward it, you know, 188 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.879 showing me that the shape of the Earth is definitely 189 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.639 based in biblical fact. And so some Spotify searches, I 190 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:46.919 came across some David Weiss interviews. Listen to him, he 191 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.200 interviewed I think there was a podcast with him and 192 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:53.559 Matt Long, and and then of course I found yours 193 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:55.720 and then Why the Lie, and it just went on 194 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.720 from there. I've caught up with every episode. 195 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:00.759 Yeah, The House that Jesus Built, The Biblical Shape of 196 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:04.120 the Earth by Matt Long and Jessica Long. It looks 197 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:09.360 like it's done very well, great reviews. I'll have that 198 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.000 link in the in the show notes as well. I 199 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.000 feel like someone has mentioned this before. I don't think 200 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.879 i've I haven't purchased this. That's something I'll have to 201 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.919 certainly look into. You said, your mom was on board 202 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.399 with most stuff, but not flatter Is she on board now? 203 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.679 No? I keep talking to her about it. We were 204 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:31.120 a family of pilots, and my aunt's a there's a 205 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:35.320 pretty big pilot. She's also she's a homesteader, she's got chicken, 206 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.799 she's anti VAXX and all that stuff. And she said 207 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.360 she did her research on flat earth and as a pilot, 208 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.879 she doesn't she doesn't buy it. Then she talked my 209 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.559 mom out of going down that that rabbit hole. 210 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:47.960 Have you I keep trying, I'm sorry, no good. 211 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:49.759 Keep trying to talk her. Yeah, I keep trying to 212 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:51.840 talk her into it, but no luck yet. 213 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.799 Have you asked her some some questions like nosing down 214 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.960 and things of that nature to make up for the curve? 215 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:01.799 I haven't. I haven't talked to my aunt specifically about 216 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:02.639 the subject yet. 217 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.360 Okay, but my mom has. 218 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.480 And she's she's kind of I think she's on the fence. 219 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.559 She's a little more receptive to me talking about it. Now. 220 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.240 How many hives does your mom have? 221 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:19.159 Her? Her husband, my stepdad, is the beekeeper and one 222 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.039 of my brothers helps out with him, and she sells 223 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.399 the honey. But they've got hives all over southern California. 224 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:29.279 Oh really, yeah, it's awesome. Have you have you got 225 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.039 the equipment on and going out and messed with the 226 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:31.679 bees before. 227 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.279 I helped him out, you know, through high school. But 228 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:37.919 I haven't haven't done that much lately. I went more 229 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.559 towards I'm an artist and kind of just do that 230 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.080 my brother's help out with the bees. 231 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.120 Did you do that painting behind you? 232 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.919 No, that actually was belonged to my grandfather, was a 233 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.559 gift from his friend Matt Jefferies, who designed the Star 234 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.840 Trek starship Enterprise for Star Trek. 235 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.840 Really yeah nice. 236 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.639 So, yeah, he was good friends with my grandfather, who 237 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:03.720 was an aviation artist and a muralist. 238 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.159 Yeah, obviously your family is very That is interesting your 239 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.639 family going back to your grandfather all about flying and yeah, 240 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:13.879 you know, one of the things that I recall was 241 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:15.279 when I was in the military, I was in a 242 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:19.399 metovac unit. We had seven black Hawks and the technical 243 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.720 manual specifically stated that to treat the earth as flat, 244 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.759 non rotational. And you know, in the military, you train 245 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.039 as you fight, you know, you train as you do 246 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.320 and that always stuck with me. But and again at 247 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:34.799 the time, you just I was younger, busy, you don't 248 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:38.720 really take the time to dive deeper into those things 249 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:39.799 like I probably should have. 250 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.440 Yeah, that's something I Yeah, I haven't really heard talk 251 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:47.840 about in your podcast, but I was thinking the whole 252 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:50.759 nosing down thing. When you're flying, you'd have to constantly 253 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.080 be doing a nosing down on a globe, But on 254 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:57.120 a flat earth, where'd you have to be constantly turning 255 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.159 left or right depending which direction you're going? 256 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.759 Would you have to eventually. 257 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:04.960 You know, like a tryas circle right and right? Well, 258 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.120 where's the further away you are from the north pole? 259 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:10.200 Yep? Now, if you flew strictly with a gyroscope, you 260 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:14.200 would eventually the curve would go down and you'd continue 261 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.960 to go straight. However, with your compass, that's always going 262 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.840 to be on the black rock rupus nigris right, that's 263 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.200 the way the compass is going to be doing. So yeah, 264 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.679 that that's a great point as well. 265 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.600 Yeah, so you kind of just flies straight, you'd have 266 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.759 to constantly, like would you do the pilots have to 267 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:35.440 adjust for that and make adjustments going right or left. 268 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:39.600 I mean, if they put themselves on the proper whatever 269 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.080 asthmth right one hundred and eighty six degrees or whatever 270 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:43.799 it is, then they wouldn't have to really. 271 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:48.440 Okay, Yeah, that's something I just thought about and never 272 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.159 really heard anybody to talk about that before. 273 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.440 Yeah, because if you look at the and I'll put 274 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.879 the this in the show notes, the sixteen emergency landings 275 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.759 that prove flat Earth. If if you look at the 276 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:03.360 raw that they're taking when the emergency happens and where 277 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:05.240 they land, it makes no sense on the globe. It 278 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.200 makes perfect sense when you line it up on the 279 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:07.960 flat Earth map. 280 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:11.080 Yeah. Yeah, I looked at those the emergency landings. 281 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:11.360 Yep. 282 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.279 Yeah, that's a pretty solid silver bullet there. 283 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:18.600 Absolutely. So going back to your. 284 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:23.120 How old are you, I'll be thirty nine this month. 285 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.080 Thirty nine. You look much younger than that. Uh have 286 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.279 you all had? Have you always been? Did you grow 287 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:32.919 up in the church? 288 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:38.200 Yeah? I did. My grandparents were very strong Christians, and 289 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.639 I was born and raised going to a Venturia missionary 290 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.360 church here and so I've always always had a faith, 291 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:48.399 always had the Bible as my backing through life, and 292 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.600 I kind of ebb and flow, you know, you don't 293 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.360 follow as closely as you should, but of course, yeah, 294 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.240 flat Earth. Definitely. I got a copy of the Book 295 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:02.600 of Enoch. Actually the it's a complete fifty four book apocrypha, 296 00:16:02.840 --> 00:16:07.480 so it concludes first second thirty Knock and Jasher and Jubilees. 297 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:07.639 And how these. 298 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.759 Yeah. So I'm trying to read the Bible cover to 299 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.759 cover and I'm inserting the appropriate books where I think 300 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:20.039 they should belong, like Jasher kind of covers Genesis, and 301 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:26.919 now I'm going through Joseph and Asenath going through the 302 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.399 story of Joseph. So it's all very interesting and definitely 303 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.960 all those apocryphal books talk about kind of the shape 304 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.320 of the Earth and the four winds and the four corners, 305 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.840 and it's it's really eye opening. I could see why 306 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:40.879 they hit all that stuff. 307 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.320 Yeah, and that that is something that doesn't get talked 308 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.080 about enough, is the wind and the Even when I 309 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.279 was in the military, we had a cadence says, let 310 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:51.720 the four winds blow from the east to the west, 311 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:53.799 and you know, you think about it and then you 312 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:59.039 start reading. Recently, I got a new book of Enoch, 313 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.440 large print because my eyes aren't what they used to be. 314 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.919 But it also came with a free audio book. You 315 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.799 just scanned the QR Code and I was going to 316 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.000 Baltimore listening to it and they start talking about the 317 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:14.640 chambers and yeah, you know, you really start to think 318 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.880 the wind, something invisible is touching you. You don't understand 319 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:27.720 the power in that, right, Yeah, yeah, definitely, So I'll 320 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:31.200 let you take the reins here. As far as your 321 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:38.720 journey to the truth again, was flat earth prior? Was 322 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.039 there one big awakening where you started to open your 323 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:42.920 mind of these things or was it really the pandemic 324 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.519 that opened your mind to the veils dropping from your eyes? 325 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.799 Yeah? So there was kind of the pandemic had a 326 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.519 big part in it. I was starting to follow some 327 00:17:54.839 --> 00:17:58.240 Instagram pages that were trying to share the truth about 328 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:01.279 the vaccines. Then they kept getting shut down. And there's 329 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.359 one guy followed in particular who was warning everyone about, 330 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.079 you know, don't take the shot, and I kind of 331 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:10.279 found I aligned with him on everything, and then I 332 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.079 would see him post some flat earth stuff and I 333 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.359 kept thinking that's weird, like why is this guy talking 334 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.519 about truth? And then he's talking about this flat earth stuff? 335 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:22.000 And so I was reading his comments and his arguments 336 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:25.000 and stuff, and he said, just read your Bible and 337 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.799 that that blew my mind. I was like that, what 338 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.759 do you mean it's in the Bible. If it's in 339 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.119 the Bible, then okay, maybe I'll take a look at it. 340 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.799 And then I kind of just went on from there 341 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:41.319 and then rereading Genesis and you know, Joshua and Job 342 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:43.839 how they it's all it's all been right there the 343 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.400 whole time, and which is interesting. Yeah, my brother is 344 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.000 actually a pastor, and so I've had conversations with him. Yeah, 345 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.920 and he's he's he's on the fence as well. I 346 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.960 think I think he kind of more tolerates my my approaches. 347 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:02.920 So even though that we see it in black and 348 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.240 white and not just in one right, it's not one 349 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.319 of those things where you see one verse like you 350 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.799 could argue, you know, the Genesis sixth conspiracy, but there 351 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.920 are a plethora of versus and instances. And then you 352 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.960 look at the apocrypha, which your brother may or may 353 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:22.519 not look at, but there's just examples that the earth 354 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.200 doesn't move or or is he kind of a does 355 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.599 he say, well, that's just a that they didn't know 356 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:32.880 what they were talking about then, or b is it 357 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.480 more of an allegory or a parable? 358 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:39.440 Yeah, I think a mix of all of that kind 359 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:43.160 of I just think he's not sure and he doesn't 360 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.759 really want to question it too much. 361 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:49.160 And that's the psychological operation of the dark rulers of 362 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:50.599 the world, as you noted, right. 363 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:57.720 Yeah, definitely the how would you just the whole doctrination. Yeah, 364 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.680 that just the school system and the not nation. We 365 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:03.200 grew up with the globe and it's hard to shake 366 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:03.640 that off. 367 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.559 What do you think the top three tools that they 368 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.480 use to kind of reinforce the psychological operation upon us? 369 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.920 You said the education, right, What would you say, like movies, 370 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:17.160 television and things like that. 371 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.640 Yeah, for sure, movies, television, things we listened to. And 372 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.640 I'm seeing it. I don't know if it's because I've 373 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.279 come around to flat Earth, but I feel like I'm 374 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.079 seeing a lot more in NASA bumper stickers and T 375 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.319 shirts and they feel like they have a clothing line now, 376 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.960 and I'm seeing just all kinds of space stuff everywhere. 377 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.200 Star Wars is big again, and yeah, it's just it's 378 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:42.160 just part of our culture. 379 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.200 Yeah, it's interesting if you if you put NASA into 380 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:52.960 the Google engine, you know this whole Like, it's funny 381 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.680 when you're awake, when you read the NASSING administrator calls 382 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.480 for a nuclear reactor on the moon. It's just yeah, 383 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.440 it boggles by twenty thirty. It's just so you're telling 384 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:06.359 me they're going to put a nuclear reactor on the 385 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:08.960 moon within four years, because this year is just about gone. 386 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.319 Yeah. I remember once here and talk of them building 387 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.319 a ladder to the moon or some kind of elevator. 388 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.880 System like the Tower of Bible. 389 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:24.920 Yeah, something like that. Yeah, go ahead. Oh no, what 390 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:25.720 were you going to say? 391 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:28.359 I was going to say, did you kind of relate 392 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.480 to your brother? I don't want to beat this, but 393 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:35.559 did you relate to your brother about how you coming 394 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.799 upon this knowledge brought you closer to God? And I 395 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.279 can just tell that you're very passionate about the Bible now, 396 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.279 and I'm not saying you weren't before, But for most 397 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:48.359 people when they come upon, you know, biblical cosmology, it 398 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.440 brings them closer to God and back in the Bible. 399 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:54.680 Yeah. I explained that to him and I shared him. 400 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:56.240 I don't know if he's listened to it, but that 401 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.640