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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 3: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: your host is always George Hobbs. As we record it
Speaker 3: is Wednesday, August sixth, twenty twenty five. The weather here
Speaker 3: in the Mid Atlantic region has been absolutely beautiful, and
Speaker 3: our guest today knows about great weather. He's joining us
Speaker 3: from southern California and his name is Scott. And again, Scott,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time this afternoon. I
Speaker 3: really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good to meet you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Likewise, and I know again we've been playing email tag,
Speaker 3: but we were able to finally connect and set up
Speaker 3: a time and here we are, and again, thank you
Speaker 3: very much for your time. And before we get started
Speaker 3: deep into the conversation, take a few minutes and introduce
Speaker 3: yourself to the audience if you would.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm Scott. I was born and raised Inventura County, California,
Speaker 1: kind of between LA and in Santa Barbara. Out of
Speaker 1: high school, I moved to ben Oregon, lived there for
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and my future girlfriend there or
Speaker 1: future wife, she was born and raised in Orange County.
Speaker 1: We happened met in the Pacific Northwest. Ended up coming
Speaker 1: back to California, getting married, and then moving up to
Speaker 1: Washington for about nine years, had some kids up there,
Speaker 1: and then went through the pandemic up there, and kind
Speaker 1: of moved back down home to California just a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago.
Speaker 3: So you were in Washington during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you? You're in a big city or it's Bellingham, Washington, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you weren't at an hour two north of Seattle.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you weren't really close to that nonsense that
Speaker 3: was going on during the summer.
Speaker 1: No, but I was right up against the Canadian border,
Speaker 1: and it's it was that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Really in what in what in what manner I.
Speaker 1: Worked at a large I still do work at a
Speaker 1: large grocery chain up there. Transferred down here and the
Speaker 1: Canadians would would come in over the border to shop
Speaker 1: at our store. Oh yeah, yeah, And then of course
Speaker 1: the border closures had a big effect on that. It
Speaker 1: was it's pretty a liberal area. And of course working
Speaker 1: with the public in a grocery store with the clash
Speaker 1: of two countries, it was just a lot of drama
Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of hectic stuff going on.
Speaker 3: Did you see a lot of people like becoming authoritative,
Speaker 3: like assuming had authority and you know, going off about
Speaker 3: masks and social distancing in the grocery stores.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. There's some coworkers that really took it
Speaker 1: to the limit, kind of being super bossy about things
Speaker 1: and trying to implement rules and social distancing and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And then they want to let me clock
Speaker 1: in without without a mask on. So if that's about
Speaker 1: as far as I went on the clock, I kept
Speaker 1: a mask on. But other than that, I thought the
Speaker 1: whole thing was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting how they really forced people in
Speaker 3: some way, shape or form to participate in that game.
Speaker 3: If you wanted medical assistance. You know, my wife, she
Speaker 3: was forced to wear two masks like to it was
Speaker 3: a ritual it was a public humiliation and it was
Speaker 3: also the way to mark these people is that person
Speaker 3: didn't get the jab. You could tell because they're wearing
Speaker 3: two masks. So it was a very deep and nefarious
Speaker 3: meaning behind what we saw in twenty twenty. And I
Speaker 3: guess I should ask, were you awake prior to the
Speaker 3: pandemic or was it the pandemic or was it something
Speaker 3: more recent?
Speaker 1: No, well, in high school, I definitely started questioning some things.
Speaker 1: I try to not dive too deep into it because
Speaker 1: I knew I could become obsessive and didn't want to
Speaker 1: spiral it, so I kind of kept it at arm's
Speaker 1: length until the pandemic kind of forced me to. You know,
Speaker 1: I got to wake up. I got kids now, and
Speaker 1: I need to make the right choices for my family.
Speaker 1: This vaccine, I know I need to. I can't just
Speaker 1: go ahead and get that. You gotta do a little
Speaker 1: bit more research and Lengthily, none of us got it,
Speaker 1: so dodgetable at there. But I've always kind of been curious.
Speaker 1: My dad, especially, he was big into the Book of
Speaker 1: Revelations and love just talking about what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world, and he was kind of more the the
Speaker 1: fire and Brimstone type, you know, like I need to
Speaker 1: be more scared and I could get caught up in that,
Speaker 1: so I kind of, you know, I try to keep
Speaker 1: my head out of that for a little while, but
Speaker 1: you know, pandemic definitely, I dope back into it and
Speaker 1: come across your podcast, and that woke me up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something to say with eschatology and times eschatology,
Speaker 3: and you know, my whole point is just to if
Speaker 3: to stay ready, and in many of Paul letters he
Speaker 3: says the same thing, just to be ready and focus
Speaker 3: on not so much which people do you get really
Speaker 3: wrapped up in? Right? You saw not that anything that
Speaker 3: happened in Waco was justified. But David what was his
Speaker 3: last name? Boy, shame on me for not remembering his name.
Speaker 3: I'm just having a brain cramp here. It's been a
Speaker 3: long day. But he was very much most of his
Speaker 3: preachings were based on It wasn't solely revelations and things
Speaker 3: of that nature, but it was something he was very
Speaker 3: much wrapped up into. And I think you really have
Speaker 3: to it's okay to be cognizant of those things. And
Speaker 3: even today I'm doing a paper on something one of
Speaker 3: Paul's letters and second Thessalonians, which Paul refers to in
Speaker 3: a prophetic kind of vision from Joel. So many of
Speaker 3: the New Testament books do refer to some of the
Speaker 3: prophetic things in the Old Testament, but I don't try
Speaker 3: to dwell on them or every time something happens, Trump's
Speaker 3: ear getting shot, and try to go to the Book
Speaker 3: of Revelations and try to kind of figure out where
Speaker 3: we are, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, like in high school, I
Speaker 1: did come across. I was reading Michael Crichton's novels. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've read any.
Speaker 3: Of his Jurassic part guy, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He came out with the book called State of Fear,
Speaker 1: and that was kind of showing how people governments. I
Speaker 1: guess they kind of drum up a fear that they
Speaker 1: want to keep the general public in a constant state
Speaker 1: of fear. It's a war, it's a global warming and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And Michael Crane has a interesting way
Speaker 1: of writing. He would do a lot of kind of
Speaker 1: notes and I think it was a I think he
Speaker 1: was a doctor or some type of scientists, so he
Speaker 1: provided a lot of like factual data behind it, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how the global warming was kind
Speaker 1: of kind of a big scam, and he was citing
Speaker 1: a lot of documents and a lot of really good
Speaker 1: arguments against global warming, and of course I was high
Speaker 1: school and just assumed global warming was a real thing.
Speaker 1: It was the first time I thought, maybe, no, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not. Maybe there's something something else to it.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I'm just kind of breezing through the
Speaker 3: shysnopsis of the book, and apparently Antarctica is involved in it,
Speaker 3: the Antarctica cooling controversy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then around the same time too, I
Speaker 1: saw a bumper sticker about nine to eleven saying nine
Speaker 1: to eleven was an inside job and it had only
Speaker 1: been a couple of years since it happened, And it
Speaker 1: kind of just blew my mind that, like what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Like just opening up my different ways
Speaker 1: of thinking. Really, I don't know, it was an interesting time.
Speaker 3: I tried to put myself. I've tried a few times,
Speaker 3: because it wasn't until twenty ten ish. I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: maybe it was eight. But if I saw something like
Speaker 3: that within a year or two of the event happening,
Speaker 3: I don't know how I would have reacted. I think
Speaker 3: it probably back then, if it was you know, semi
Speaker 3: close to it, it probably angered a lot of people, right,
Speaker 3: not understanding, but it posts twenty twenty, in this really
Speaker 3: post dystopian world that we're living in now, I think
Speaker 3: people are almost open to anything. People are certainly more
Speaker 3: receptive and open to things than were, you know, prior
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think so. I think the pandemic
Speaker 1: woke a lot of people up, whether that was intentional
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 3: Where in the journey did fltterth enter.
Speaker 1: When I moved back to California a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I started working again with my mom. She owns a
Speaker 1: local honey business here in Ventura, and she's on the
Speaker 1: same page on all of this except flat Earth. But
Speaker 1: she was she was anti vax and was part of
Speaker 1: there's a community called Brave. They were trying to stay
Speaker 1: open throughout the pandemic and they just really you know,
Speaker 1: dinner to the line. And so me and my mom
Speaker 1: were talking about, you know, the conspiracy theories and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and one that I'd been seeing
Speaker 1: around the internet was flat Earth and asked her, what
Speaker 1: do you think about that, and so we did a
Speaker 1: quick search on it, and I learned that there was
Speaker 1: some biblical basis to it, which I'd never realized before,
Speaker 1: and that made me curious. And I found a book
Speaker 1: by I think it's Matthew Long, The House that Jesus Built,
Speaker 1: and then I read that it's a short, short, little book,
Speaker 1: and it has a Christian bias toward it, you know,
Speaker 1: showing me that the shape of the Earth is definitely
Speaker 1: based in biblical fact. And so some Spotify searches, I
Speaker 1: came across some David Weiss interviews. Listen to him, he
Speaker 1: interviewed I think there was a podcast with him and
Speaker 1: Matt Long, and and then of course I found yours
Speaker 1: and then Why the Lie, and it just went on
Speaker 1: from there. I've caught up with every episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, The House that Jesus Built, The Biblical Shape of
Speaker 3: the Earth by Matt Long and Jessica Long. It looks
Speaker 3: like it's done very well, great reviews. I'll have that
Speaker 3: link in the in the show notes as well. I
Speaker 3: feel like someone has mentioned this before. I don't think
Speaker 3: i've I haven't purchased this. That's something I'll have to
Speaker 3: certainly look into. You said, your mom was on board
Speaker 3: with most stuff, but not flatter Is she on board now?
Speaker 1: No? I keep talking to her about it. We were
Speaker 1: a family of pilots, and my aunt's a there's a
Speaker 1: pretty big pilot. She's also she's a homesteader, she's got chicken,
Speaker 1: she's anti VAXX and all that stuff. And she said
Speaker 1: she did her research on flat earth and as a pilot,
Speaker 1: she doesn't she doesn't buy it. Then she talked my
Speaker 1: mom out of going down that that rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: Have you I keep trying, I'm sorry, no good.
Speaker 1: Keep trying to talk her. Yeah, I keep trying to
Speaker 1: talk her into it, but no luck yet.
Speaker 3: Have you asked her some some questions like nosing down
Speaker 3: and things of that nature to make up for the curve?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't talked to my aunt specifically about
Speaker 1: the subject yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, but my mom has.
Speaker 1: And she's she's kind of I think she's on the fence.
Speaker 1: She's a little more receptive to me talking about it. Now.
Speaker 3: How many hives does your mom have?
Speaker 1: Her? Her husband, my stepdad, is the beekeeper and one
Speaker 1: of my brothers helps out with him, and she sells
Speaker 1: the honey. But they've got hives all over southern California.
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, it's awesome. Have you have you got
Speaker 3: the equipment on and going out and messed with the
Speaker 3: bees before.
Speaker 1: I helped him out, you know, through high school. But
Speaker 1: I haven't haven't done that much lately. I went more
Speaker 1: towards I'm an artist and kind of just do that
Speaker 1: my brother's help out with the bees.
Speaker 3: Did you do that painting behind you?
Speaker 1: No, that actually was belonged to my grandfather, was a
Speaker 1: gift from his friend Matt Jefferies, who designed the Star
Speaker 1: Trek starship Enterprise for Star Trek.
Speaker 3: Really yeah nice.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he was good friends with my grandfather, who
Speaker 1: was an aviation artist and a muralist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously your family is very That is interesting your
Speaker 3: family going back to your grandfather all about flying and yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the things that I recall was
Speaker 3: when I was in the military, I was in a
Speaker 3: metovac unit. We had seven black Hawks and the technical
Speaker 3: manual specifically stated that to treat the earth as flat,
Speaker 3: non rotational. And you know, in the military, you train
Speaker 3: as you fight, you know, you train as you do
Speaker 3: and that always stuck with me. But and again at
Speaker 3: the time, you just I was younger, busy, you don't
Speaker 3: really take the time to dive deeper into those things
Speaker 3: like I probably should have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I Yeah, I haven't really heard talk
Speaker 1: about in your podcast, but I was thinking the whole
Speaker 1: nosing down thing. When you're flying, you'd have to constantly
Speaker 1: be doing a nosing down on a globe, But on
Speaker 1: a flat earth, where'd you have to be constantly turning
Speaker 1: left or right depending which direction you're going?
Speaker 3: Would you have to eventually.
Speaker 1: You know, like a tryas circle right and right? Well,
Speaker 1: where's the further away you are from the north pole?
Speaker 3: Yep? Now, if you flew strictly with a gyroscope, you
Speaker 3: would eventually the curve would go down and you'd continue
Speaker 3: to go straight. However, with your compass, that's always going
Speaker 3: to be on the black rock rupus nigris right, that's
Speaker 3: the way the compass is going to be doing. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that that's a great point as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you kind of just flies straight, you'd have
Speaker 1: to constantly, like would you do the pilots have to
Speaker 1: adjust for that and make adjustments going right or left.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they put themselves on the proper whatever
Speaker 3: asthmth right one hundred and eighty six degrees or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, then they wouldn't have to really.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's something I just thought about and never
Speaker 1: really heard anybody to talk about that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if you look at the and I'll put
Speaker 3: the this in the show notes, the sixteen emergency landings
Speaker 3: that prove flat Earth. If if you look at the
Speaker 3: raw that they're taking when the emergency happens and where
Speaker 3: they land, it makes no sense on the globe. It
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense when you line it up on the
Speaker 3: flat Earth map.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I looked at those the emergency landings.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty solid silver bullet there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. So going back to your.
Speaker 1: How old are you, I'll be thirty nine this month.
Speaker 3: Thirty nine. You look much younger than that. Uh have
Speaker 3: you all had? Have you always been? Did you grow
Speaker 3: up in the church?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. My grandparents were very strong Christians, and
Speaker 1: I was born and raised going to a Venturia missionary
Speaker 1: church here and so I've always always had a faith,
Speaker 1: always had the Bible as my backing through life, and
Speaker 1: I kind of ebb and flow, you know, you don't
Speaker 1: follow as closely as you should, but of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: flat Earth. Definitely. I got a copy of the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch. Actually the it's a complete fifty four book apocrypha,
Speaker 1: so it concludes first second thirty Knock and Jasher and Jubilees.
Speaker 3: And how these.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm trying to read the Bible cover to
Speaker 1: cover and I'm inserting the appropriate books where I think
Speaker 1: they should belong, like Jasher kind of covers Genesis, and
Speaker 1: now I'm going through Joseph and Asenath going through the
Speaker 1: story of Joseph. So it's all very interesting and definitely
Speaker 1: all those apocryphal books talk about kind of the shape
Speaker 1: of the Earth and the four winds and the four corners,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really eye opening. I could see why
Speaker 1: they hit all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that is something that doesn't get talked
Speaker 3: about enough, is the wind and the Even when I
Speaker 3: was in the military, we had a cadence says, let
Speaker 3: the four winds blow from the east to the west,
Speaker 3: and you know, you think about it and then you
Speaker 3: start reading. Recently, I got a new book of Enoch,
Speaker 3: large print because my eyes aren't what they used to be.
Speaker 3: But it also came with a free audio book. You
Speaker 3: just scanned the QR Code and I was going to
Speaker 3: Baltimore listening to it and they start talking about the
Speaker 3: chambers and yeah, you know, you really start to think
Speaker 3: the wind, something invisible is touching you. You don't understand
Speaker 3: the power in that, right, Yeah, yeah, definitely, So I'll
Speaker 3: let you take the reins here. As far as your
Speaker 3: journey to the truth again, was flat earth prior? Was
Speaker 3: there one big awakening where you started to open your
Speaker 3: mind of these things or was it really the pandemic
Speaker 3: that opened your mind to the veils dropping from your eyes?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So there was kind of the pandemic had a
Speaker 1: big part in it. I was starting to follow some
Speaker 1: Instagram pages that were trying to share the truth about
Speaker 1: the vaccines. Then they kept getting shut down. And there's
Speaker 1: one guy followed in particular who was warning everyone about,
Speaker 1: you know, don't take the shot, and I kind of
Speaker 1: found I aligned with him on everything, and then I
Speaker 1: would see him post some flat earth stuff and I
Speaker 1: kept thinking that's weird, like why is this guy talking
Speaker 1: about truth? And then he's talking about this flat earth stuff?
Speaker 1: And so I was reading his comments and his arguments
Speaker 1: and stuff, and he said, just read your Bible and
Speaker 1: that that blew my mind. I was like that, what
Speaker 1: do you mean it's in the Bible. If it's in
Speaker 1: the Bible, then okay, maybe I'll take a look at it.
Speaker 1: And then I kind of just went on from there
Speaker 1: and then rereading Genesis and you know, Joshua and Job
Speaker 1: how they it's all it's all been right there the
Speaker 1: whole time, and which is interesting. Yeah, my brother is
Speaker 1: actually a pastor, and so I've had conversations with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's on the fence as well. I
Speaker 1: think I think he kind of more tolerates my my approaches.
Speaker 3: So even though that we see it in black and
Speaker 3: white and not just in one right, it's not one
Speaker 3: of those things where you see one verse like you
Speaker 3: could argue, you know, the Genesis sixth conspiracy, but there
Speaker 3: are a plethora of versus and instances. And then you
Speaker 3: look at the apocrypha, which your brother may or may
Speaker 3: not look at, but there's just examples that the earth
Speaker 3: doesn't move or or is he kind of a does
Speaker 3: he say, well, that's just a that they didn't know
Speaker 3: what they were talking about then, or b is it
Speaker 3: more of an allegory or a parable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a mix of all of that kind
Speaker 1: of I just think he's not sure and he doesn't
Speaker 1: really want to question it too much.
Speaker 3: And that's the psychological operation of the dark rulers of
Speaker 3: the world, as you noted, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely the how would you just the whole doctrination. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just the school system and the not nation. We
Speaker 1: grew up with the globe and it's hard to shake
Speaker 1: that off.
Speaker 3: What do you think the top three tools that they
Speaker 3: use to kind of reinforce the psychological operation upon us?
Speaker 3: You said the education, right, What would you say, like movies,
Speaker 3: television and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, movies, television, things we listened to. And
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it. I don't know if it's because I've
Speaker 1: come around to flat Earth, but I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a lot more in NASA bumper stickers and T
Speaker 1: shirts and they feel like they have a clothing line now,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing just all kinds of space stuff everywhere.
Speaker 1: Star Wars is big again, and yeah, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just part of our culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting if you if you put NASA into
Speaker 3: the Google engine, you know this whole Like, it's funny
Speaker 3: when you're awake, when you read the NASSING administrator calls
Speaker 3: for a nuclear reactor on the moon. It's just yeah,
Speaker 3: it boggles by twenty thirty. It's just so you're telling
Speaker 3: me they're going to put a nuclear reactor on the
Speaker 3: moon within four years, because this year is just about gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember once here and talk of them building
Speaker 1: a ladder to the moon or some kind of elevator.
Speaker 3: System like the Tower of Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Yeah, go ahead. Oh no, what
Speaker 1: were you going to say?
Speaker 3: I was going to say, did you kind of relate
Speaker 3: to your brother? I don't want to beat this, but
Speaker 3: did you relate to your brother about how you coming
Speaker 3: upon this knowledge brought you closer to God? And I
Speaker 3: can just tell that you're very passionate about the Bible now,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying you weren't before, But for most
Speaker 3: people when they come upon, you know, biblical cosmology, it
Speaker 3: brings them closer to God and back in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I explained that to him and I shared him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's listened to it, but that
Speaker 1: denotal debate and he kind of shares a lot of
Speaker 1: test monies from people saying that flat earth has brought
Speaker 1: them closer to God and I think anything that is
Speaker 1: bringing people closer to God can't be a bad thing,
Speaker 1: and I try to that argument with outer space. It
Speaker 1: leads a lot of people away from God. You know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't line up with Genesis and just the infinite galaxies, don't.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't make sense with the God that
Speaker 1: made earth as his creation and his focus. Why would
Speaker 1: he make this infinite outer space and then just send
Speaker 1: us rocketing through and a crazy chaos. You know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because on one hand it has brought
Speaker 3: so many people closer to God and back in the fold.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, there's many passors and they've talked
Speaker 3: to me in person and on email saying that they're
Speaker 3: aware of it, but they're afraid to bring it up
Speaker 3: because the flip side, they're afraid they're going to drive
Speaker 3: people away from the church.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's something I haven't really brought up with
Speaker 1: anybody at church. You know, I don't want to cause
Speaker 1: any I don't know any arguments or anything, but is
Speaker 1: the true? Are you starting your own church?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're working on planning a church here in the
Speaker 3: very near future, and that's something to everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: I get a lot of questions, and we shouldn't be afraid.
Speaker 3: And this, when I state this, I'm speaking for myself.
Speaker 3: I'm not this, not me browbeating anyone. But it's a
Speaker 3: shame because we should be able to speak truth in
Speaker 3: our church right. Truth should be right. Jesus said, I
Speaker 3: am the way, I'm the truth, I am the Life,
Speaker 3: and we should we shouldn't be afraid to talk about
Speaker 3: things that we have conviction in. And I have testimony
Speaker 3: of three years of people coming on this podcast and
Speaker 3: telling me how it's brought them, their family members, people's addictions,
Speaker 3: Like this isn't something to sneeze at. And I know
Speaker 3: at you know in my heart of hearts that we're
Speaker 3: not on anything that's spinning. I've been on every type
Speaker 3: of aircraft you can think of, every type of vehicle
Speaker 3: you can think of. I know when I'm moving, and
Speaker 3: God gave me my senses for a reason. And when
Speaker 3: you realize that everything, you know, it's like we've been
Speaker 3: lied to about everything except that we're on a spinning
Speaker 3: ball with all that numerology, and that our light is
Speaker 3: ninety three million miles away. You know, it's just I
Speaker 3: get asked that all the time. Are you going to
Speaker 3: talk about this or you're going to talk about that?
Speaker 3: Obviously you want to focus on the gospel, but you
Speaker 3: know that there is you know, on a Wednesday night
Speaker 3: class or something. I think I think it's worth a discussion, right,
Speaker 3: a discussion, Right, Why can't we have a discussion? Right?
Speaker 3: We all have biases, we all have disagreements. Why can't
Speaker 3: we shake hands? And if we disagree, we disagree? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the church should be a sanctuary. It should be
Speaker 1: somewhere you feel safe. And we're all followers of Christ.
Speaker 1: We should be able to have, you know, civil conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really seem to mariby case on that subject,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we know. I want to say I've looked
Speaker 3: at this. I feel like I've researched before. And the
Speaker 3: word deceive is in the Bible like sixty six times,
Speaker 3: Like we know there's sixty six Bibles. I'll fact check myself.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm thinking of another word. But that's what Satan does, right,
Speaker 3: and we should, especially again after twenty twenty, we should
Speaker 3: step away from That's what Psalms one to eighteen eight says,
Speaker 3: don't put your trust in man, put your trust in
Speaker 3: God and going back to COVID once again. That's that's
Speaker 3: what we all did. We turn on the TV at
Speaker 3: five pm Eastern every every day, seven days a week
Speaker 3: to get the latest update.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that word deceive, I did a little of
Speaker 1: research on it a while ago. The Hebrew word nasa
Speaker 1: means to deceive. It translates in English to beguiled, yep.
Speaker 1: And it was first first used when and say and
Speaker 1: tempted Eve with the.
Speaker 3: Apple Genesis three I believe, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then of course with the giant tongue of the
Speaker 1: serpent and the NASA logo. It's all it's all right there,
Speaker 1: I am. I made up a mock NASA logo that
Speaker 1: it's just a NASA logo, but I wrote above it
Speaker 1: the Hebrew verb and then the strongs and cordance number
Speaker 1: H five three seven seven with the definition of NASA
Speaker 1: underneath it to seduce a guy ale or deceive greatly.
Speaker 1: And you know, as an artist, I'm trying to come
Speaker 1: up with some kind of some flat Earth icons, some
Speaker 1: things that grab attention and get the conversation going.
Speaker 3: And you're you're like an oil paint artist.
Speaker 1: I'm everything. I do is by hand, you know, pen
Speaker 1: and ink paint. I don't know how to do anything
Speaker 1: digitally on a computer. I kind of feel like some
Speaker 1: something about digital art I feel like kind of loses
Speaker 1: the soul of the art.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. And you know, I've been dabbling in
Speaker 3: music for some time and then you get like Suno
Speaker 3: and these things to come along, and it's like, I
Speaker 3: remember when I made my little album in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: because there was not a whole lot going on, and
Speaker 3: how long that took, and the tediousness with you know,
Speaker 3: garage band and everything. And now you put in a
Speaker 3: few key words and it puts out a complete song
Speaker 3: in like thirty seconds. While it's cool, on the other hand,
Speaker 3: it does take away from the art itself, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And you can do the same thing
Speaker 1: with AI images. You can just type in some prompts
Speaker 1: and it'll give you that image that you're looking for.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. I like using my own mind,
Speaker 1: on my own hands and coming up with my own
Speaker 1: creative ideas.
Speaker 3: Of course, you have like an online store.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't. I have a just I post
Speaker 1: things to Instagram on my art account.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, if you wouldn't mind give me your Instagram
Speaker 3: when we're done, I'll put it in the show notes
Speaker 3: in case the listeners want to check it out. Would
Speaker 3: that be okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be fine.
Speaker 3: Awesome support our fellow listeners. Have you pardon me? Have
Speaker 3: you been have you done anything like a firmament or
Speaker 3: anything like that in your art yet?
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a painting of the Flammarion engraving
Speaker 1: and kind of nice. That's just been such an iconic
Speaker 1: image for me, and I want to include other classic
Speaker 1: paintings in with it, like I don't know, Starry Night
Speaker 1: or the Great Wave, but kind of just make this
Speaker 1: awesome epic piece that highlights the you know, the firmament
Speaker 1: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: That's awesome looking forward to that. What would you say,
Speaker 3: you know, when you started going through all the evidence,
Speaker 3: what were your six silver bullets, the things that truly
Speaker 3: convinced you that we were not on a spinning ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of wrote out some silver bullets.
Speaker 1: One is obviously that the Bible describes it as such,
Speaker 1: the Word the Word of the Bible. The Word is Christ,
Speaker 1: and Christ is truth, and the Bible is what every
Speaker 1: fact should be based on and we take everything and
Speaker 1: judge against God's word. So when the Bible talks about
Speaker 1: the flood, that that doesn't work. You know, on a
Speaker 1: globe or the Tower of Babel. They weren't building a
Speaker 1: tower to outer space. And you know when Joshua, we
Speaker 1: need the sun and the moon are held still, and
Speaker 1: they're held still over specific points. It doesn't just say
Speaker 1: they held still randomly. They were held over specific locations,
Speaker 1: which you know leads me to think. You know, they're local,
Speaker 1: there are local lights. They're able to be held over
Speaker 1: specific cities or countries. And and since that's in so
Speaker 1: many different books of the Bible, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: just one guy writing all this. It's throughout history. So
Speaker 1: many cultures have talked about the shape of the earth.
Speaker 1: And I think there's just so much evidence, and it's
Speaker 1: all points to the Bible and all points to the truth.
Speaker 3: You've done. You said you've been reading a lot of
Speaker 3: the apocrypha and things of that nature, and you did
Speaker 3: mention in your email kind of the Nepheleine. Do you
Speaker 3: think that they played a part of this the architecture
Speaker 3: that we question, whether it be you know, the Egyptian
Speaker 3: Pyramids things of that nature. Do you think that they
Speaker 3: had a hand with these you know epic you know,
Speaker 3: this epic architecture that we see around the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they probably had a hand in building
Speaker 1: the pyramids, is my thought. And the fact that there's
Speaker 1: that they still line up with the constellations today kind
Speaker 1: of shows it was something more to it than just
Speaker 1: slaves building it or Egyptians building it, and then the
Speaker 1: pyramids in South America. Listening to whenever I can find
Speaker 1: interviews with Gary Wayne with the Genesis sixth conspiracy. And
Speaker 1: then recently I've discovered a guy named La Marzouli. I
Speaker 1: think his name is. He talks a lot about the Nephalem.
Speaker 1: I think he's done a docu series on the Nephalem.
Speaker 1: I might be saying his last name wrong.
Speaker 4: L A.
Speaker 1: Marzuli I found ye. Yeah, I've listened to a lot
Speaker 1: of his stuff, and he believes that the Mephyalem are
Speaker 1: still here today. It's all part of that that seed war.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a flat earther, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: that biblical history.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I hear a lot, you know, we're
Speaker 3: kind of led to believe that the Nephilame were kind
Speaker 3: of wiped out at the flood. I like hearing people
Speaker 3: how they break down, so he does. He kind of
Speaker 3: saying that the dark rulers of the world are basic
Speaker 3: the Nephilee and they're trying to wipe us out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, either they're Nephilem or they're at the top controlling
Speaker 1: other people. They're kind of the influence behind everything. The
Speaker 1: Nephilem are such an interesting subject. I think they had
Speaker 1: their offspring where this is where that their offspring where
Speaker 1: the giants is that let me see, I wrote this
Speaker 1: down here, but that's basically where we get evil spirits
Speaker 1: from after the flood.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. He's got a great He's got a heck
Speaker 3: of a following, two hundred and forty thousand subscribers, so
Speaker 3: I'll definitely check.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think he's got a series on
Speaker 1: the Nephilin as well. But yeah, the way I've discovered
Speaker 1: it is the fallen Angels had the Nephilem, and then
Speaker 1: after the flood the giants. They either survived the flood
Speaker 1: somehow there was a second incursion, but the spirits of
Speaker 1: the Nephalim or the giants became the evil spirits since
Speaker 1: they were born here on earth. They can't you know,
Speaker 1: return to the to heaven or hell. They're kind of
Speaker 1: trapped in this limbo. They're evil spirits among us.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I'll put the link to this video he did.
Speaker 3: It's called how did the Nephalim Return After the Flood?
Speaker 3: And it's one of his most viewed videos and somebody
Speaker 3: commented that he was one of the very few pastors
Speaker 3: who actually take the time to explore Genesis three and six.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting. This is another one of those topics
Speaker 3: that pastors will steer clear of because they don't want
Speaker 3: to be labeled and they don't want people leave in
Speaker 3: their church. But the serpent seed is really it is
Speaker 3: another We are in a seed war. Pardon me, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: And as I mentioned, you know a few times lately,
Speaker 3: is now they're not just going after our seeds, the
Speaker 3: human seed, which I do think twenty twenty played and
Speaker 3: twenty one with the with the jab played a part
Speaker 3: of large part of. But now look at all the
Speaker 3: other seeds, all the plants and the vegetables and everything.
Speaker 3: Everything's being gmoed, everything's being modified, and that's what they
Speaker 3: want to do, they want to get in the way
Speaker 3: of us, and God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah they do. You're more recent interview, the guy
Speaker 1: talked about forget what his name was, I think it
Speaker 1: was with Travis that you had, Yes, just recently.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: He was talking about how they were messing with the
Speaker 1: food with the I think it's the.
Speaker 3: Hy K gene, that's right, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the natural flavor thing. And that's something that I discovered,
Speaker 1: you know, during the pandemic and anything with natural flavor
Speaker 1: in it, you know, I avoid anything synthetic. I try
Speaker 1: to cut all that stuff out of my diet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this is something that really it's only been
Speaker 3: around for about the last fifty years. HIK two ninety
Speaker 3: three cells were generated in nineteen seventy three by these
Speaker 3: transfection of cultures of normal human embryonic kidney cells. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the Netherlands. And you know everything about our food,
Speaker 3: about our beverages, the water, the fluoride in the water.
Speaker 3: It truly is a seed war. And between the matrix
Speaker 3: they've created with everybody working fifty hours a week in
Speaker 3: rush thrush, rush, and then all the distractions that everybody
Speaker 3: are worried about between our sports and our music and entertainment.
Speaker 3: We're not paying enough attention to really to stop. And
Speaker 3: it is a war. I want to make it perfectly clear.
Speaker 3: You may doubt a seed war, but it's an information war,
Speaker 3: and it's a spiritual it truly is, and the truth
Speaker 3: is very important. And then that goes all the way
Speaker 3: back to do we dare talk about these things? I
Speaker 3: do believe we should. Does it have to be the
Speaker 3: main topic of sermon? Of course not, But you know,
Speaker 3: there's seven days in a week. You know, have we
Speaker 3: have discipleship classes, we have youth groups and all these
Speaker 3: other things. You know, once you're comfortable with everyone, there's
Speaker 3: no reason why you can't simply have a biblical cosmology class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 3: And if you come in just like and here's the thing,
Speaker 3: if you start out the conversation with a twenty minute
Speaker 3: preamble about all right, listen, guys, we're gonna have to
Speaker 3: talk about this, they're going to be freaked out. And
Speaker 3: if you just come on and talk about it like
Speaker 3: it's normal chat, people are aren't going to freak out
Speaker 3: about it. And probably the key is not to come
Speaker 3: out and say flat Earth class, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that term flatter definitely raises some red flags, I
Speaker 1: like biblical cosmology or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think whenever the last episode is that, that's
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop using that term. I'll never use it again.
Speaker 3: But you know, unfortunately, you know, if this was called
Speaker 3: the Biblical Cosmology Files, I'd probably only have seventeen listeners
Speaker 3: to this point. It's just the way of it's all about,
Speaker 3: you know, those words and in the in the search engines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's that's what That's how I found
Speaker 1: you flat Earth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that is something I think as a whold,
Speaker 3: as a community. At some point like New Year's twenty
Speaker 3: twenty six, we just never used that word again.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm on board with that, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3: Well what other bullet points did ja for us?
Speaker 1: Yeah? With the silver bullets. Another one was just our
Speaker 1: senses are common sense, you know, we see the world
Speaker 1: stationary flat. He wouldn't live us, God wouldn't let us
Speaker 1: live a life that isn't you know what it seems.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be that deceitful. He want to have us
Speaker 1: see everything still and calm, and steel lakes and a
Speaker 1: calm sky. If we're flying through outer space and spinning
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, it just it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: God's nature. I had a vision recently of the firmament
Speaker 1: kind of being like like a hen, with the way
Speaker 1: a hen would shelter her chicks, kind of they're protected,
Speaker 1: you know, from the rain and everything. He's got us
Speaker 1: in this little the sort of protected environment, and it's
Speaker 1: it shows how how he loves and how he cares
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 3: And we're not in.
Speaker 1: A cold, dead vacuum of space, you know, where we're
Speaker 1: under right under his his throne.
Speaker 3: That that's a great analogy because that's really what it is.
Speaker 3: It's to protect us, and it's not to protect us
Speaker 3: from comets and asteroids. He separated the waters right water above,
Speaker 3: water below, then there's the shat the ground of shield
Speaker 3: below on three heavens above. But it is to protect
Speaker 3: us from the said water. And he used it one
Speaker 3: time as punishment because and that is something that I
Speaker 3: guess took a while for me to understand, because I
Speaker 3: had a conversation with it might have been Dean Odle,
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I look out in the
Speaker 3: world today and all I see is sin and you're
Speaker 3: telling me things were worse back then. And then maybe
Speaker 3: as an individual who has only been to church and
Speaker 3: just read the general books of the Bible, but when
Speaker 3: you fully understand that what was going on the serpent
Speaker 3: seeds with the human women, it was a seed war.
Speaker 3: And that's why, I mean, things were very very immoral
Speaker 3: back then, and that's why God did it. But he
Speaker 3: also made us a promise, and that's just another reason
Speaker 3: these things should be taught. Right. It didn't just rain
Speaker 3: for forty days. He opened up the firmament and let
Speaker 3: the water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also from the deep the waters below as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I think that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was the three events of the flood.
Speaker 1: It rained, and then the heavens were open, and then
Speaker 1: the water's beneath where come up from below us? Indeed,
Speaker 1: it makes me wonder about the I've heard of the
Speaker 1: sky ice is what they kind of call the firmament
Speaker 1: the researchers in the Arctica. Do you know much about that,
Speaker 1: the sky ice? Anything about?
Speaker 3: So what's interesting was there was at some point on
Speaker 3: YouTube six years ago and I can't find it anymore.
Speaker 3: And again it's the Internet, right, I get it, But
Speaker 3: there was a video of a guy in Antarctica that
Speaker 3: had this blue ice they called it, and word was
Speaker 3: they were trying to reverse engineer it. But you can't
Speaker 3: find that anywhere. Now, maybe it's somewhere, but if anybody
Speaker 3: has that, send it to me, you know, if you
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about. The they called it the
Speaker 3: what the blue ice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. I remember seeing a video of
Speaker 1: a scientist down there trying to I think you had
Speaker 1: some footage too of the firmament as well, if I
Speaker 1: can remember, but I can't, you know, I can't find
Speaker 1: it anymore. Likewise, then there was another thing about the
Speaker 1: waters above the firmament. I guess some high elevation pilots
Speaker 1: have seen kind of like waves up there or some
Speaker 1: kind of sprites that they've seen, which is all, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just incredible. I'd love to see something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Have you noticed some of these pictures that? And
Speaker 3: again I don't know if it's cgi, but some of
Speaker 3: these rockets it looks like it's actually in the water
Speaker 3: up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really it's shimmering, Yeah, like there's a big ripple.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that, you know, that's why the
Speaker 1: stars have that shimmer. I think they're placed inside of
Speaker 1: the firmament.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Do you think the moon? Do you think the moon
Speaker 1: is inside of the firmament kind of where the stars are.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what the Bible says. He placed it
Speaker 3: in the firmament.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not something that we could physically get to.
Speaker 3: No, And it's certainly it is certainly not ninety three
Speaker 3: million miles away. We can argue and guess all day
Speaker 3: how far it is, but it is not. It's not
Speaker 3: even one million miles away. It's not even one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand miles away. And we can prove that just from
Speaker 3: the clouds what are they called in the crepuscular rays
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been seeing the footage of will look like
Speaker 1: airplanes or clouds going behind the sun. You know, it
Speaker 1: made me think, is the Sun and the moon are
Speaker 1: they in our atmosphere or are they just inside the
Speaker 1: firmament unreachable? Because you have you seen those pictures of
Speaker 1: clouds behind the sun. The sun is kind of like
Speaker 1: kind of sitting in the clouds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, everybody's seen a sunset with the
Speaker 3: you know, the sun looks gigantic, right, Yeah, and again
Speaker 3: it could be one of those things where it's a reflection,
Speaker 3: and honestly, it's gonna be one of those things that
Speaker 3: you know, we're not going to know the truth until
Speaker 3: we go on to the next world and then hopefully
Speaker 3: we can look down from heaven and see everything and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard of deathbed people on their deathbed, they
Speaker 1: right moments before their death, they kind of look around
Speaker 1: and they are just odd and like, oh wow, and
Speaker 1: they have a revelation. When the day my grandfather died,
Speaker 1: he told my grandma that he had this huge revelation
Speaker 1: and he just was in a great mood and happy
Speaker 1: all day and he didn't tell anybody what it was,
Speaker 1: but he just he just felt this overwhelming peace and
Speaker 1: he'd like he had just learned something. And then that
Speaker 1: night he passed on. Really, but yeah, you just wonder,
Speaker 1: wonder what people see, what kind of revelation brings that
Speaker 1: kind of joy.
Speaker 3: That is interesting. And he was a man who loved
Speaker 3: the air, right, he loved the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my grandma's family was the pilots, but he did
Speaker 1: the aviation art and he definitely flew a few times.
Speaker 1: He had his art studio at the airport. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he loved the sky.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. So that's a family thing too. The painting huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's from him. I got that from him.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's incredible. My daughter's doing that and hopefully she's
Speaker 3: able to do well with that as well. She's not
Speaker 3: even sixteen yet and she's done some pretty good work.
Speaker 3: We're pretty proud of her.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Let's darken the theme a little bit here, right, all
Speaker 3: of us we're always in search of answers. That's what
Speaker 3: we do, especially all of us in this community. We're
Speaker 3: always asking questions. When you start, when somebody asked you
Speaker 3: the question who was pulling the strings? And obviously at
Speaker 3: the top of that pyramid, we know Satan is there.
Speaker 3: Do you think there it goes straight to like the
Speaker 3: Rockefellers and Rothchild's or do you think there's some whatever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, between them, I think it's a there's a demonic
Speaker 1: spiritual realm with Satan, you know, all the whether they're
Speaker 1: people possessed or influenced by saying. I've seen musicians. I
Speaker 1: think was it Beyonce that feels like she feels something
Speaker 1: come into her when she when she performs. You know,
Speaker 1: there's I don't know if they're clones like what they
Speaker 1: did with possibly Biden or what they call NPC's, but
Speaker 1: just this evil influence over over high ranking people. But
Speaker 1: I think if you've heard their name, like the Freemasons
Speaker 1: and the Rockefellers and all that, then I don't think
Speaker 1: they're at the top. I think they're they're still up there,
Speaker 1: but I think they're real rulers. We don't we don't
Speaker 1: have their names, we don't know who they are. But
Speaker 1: then yeah, under that, I think, you know, the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: I think is is a big power. They own a
Speaker 1: lot of I heard they were as much land in Israel,
Speaker 1: more land than in Israel than anyone else besides the
Speaker 1: State of Israel. Just how much how much money they've.
Speaker 3: Got, Yeah, so if it, and again it depends on
Speaker 3: what resource you're using, but in some cases it's been
Speaker 3: reported that they own up to fifty percent of the
Speaker 3: land in Israel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's that whole thing with the White
Speaker 1: Pope and.
Speaker 3: The Black Pope and the Grape Pope.
Speaker 1: Yeah there's a grape Pope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think I heard some of that on your fath owner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Administration of the Holy See manages over five
Speaker 3: thousand properties worldwide, and like their assets are are in
Speaker 3: the billions. And that's really interesting because you know, when
Speaker 3: you read the Bible, we always say, you know, what
Speaker 3: was that big catchphrase ten fifteen years ago? What would
Speaker 3: Jesus do? Yeah, you know, and then you see people
Speaker 3: like Joel Olstein and all these prosperity preachers, and you know,
Speaker 3: you see the Vatican and the Secret Army, they have
Speaker 3: the Swiss guards and these type of things. That is
Speaker 3: not something that I don't think Jesus would would support.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think that would pass through that. I
Speaker 1: have a needle either.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Some analysis site the Catholic Church owning over seventy
Speaker 3: million hectares, roughly the size of France or the size
Speaker 3: of Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they own what the Lucifer telescope.
Speaker 3: That's right, is that like New Mexico or Nevada.
Speaker 1: I must Yeah, I'm not sure. I've heard the theory
Speaker 1: too that when the Library of Alexandria burned, that it
Speaker 1: ended up in the vaults of the Vatican, that that
Speaker 1: they hold what's underneath the Vatican is probably.
Speaker 3: Oh, from the fire of Alexandria or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that the library I heard it was. I can't
Speaker 1: fact check this, but that it was the library was
Speaker 1: just moved to the Vatican. All that ancient knowledge.
Speaker 3: Well, listen the Roman Catholic Church, and that again, that's
Speaker 3: an argument where I think history has been We've been
Speaker 3: deceived a little bit as well. I don't think it's
Speaker 3: a coincidence that all the architecture in our capital, and
Speaker 3: we just had a guest on that as we're talking
Speaker 3: at seven twenty three pm Wednesday night and half an
Speaker 3: hour the new podcast with ose I think it was
Speaker 3: I think he said it was in Puerto Rico. There's
Speaker 3: a bunch of Greco Roman architecture down there as well,
Speaker 3: and there's a bunch through South America. So again, I
Speaker 3: think we've been deceived about an awful lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, we've been The whole world has been deceived.
Speaker 1: And that kind of goes with the little season that
Speaker 1: I've been hearing lot about that we're in Satan's little
Speaker 1: season where you set loose to deceive the nations of
Speaker 1: the world for a time, and I've been wondering where
Speaker 1: does that leave us if the rapture some say the
Speaker 1: rapture happened seventy a D. When the Jerusalem Temple was destroyed.
Speaker 1: Christ had his reign for a thousand years, and now
Speaker 1: we're in Satan's little season. So for us believers, what's
Speaker 1: next for us? Then? Are we waiting for anything? Or
Speaker 1: is there just going to be does this just go on?
Speaker 1: Or like, how's it end? Is what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting. I'm glad you brought that up because
Speaker 3: last night at class I pulled the trigger just because Matthew,
Speaker 3: I think it was thirty four came up, Matthew twenty four,
Speaker 3: verse thirty four, and we were talking about how it
Speaker 3: was a hermoneutics class, which hermaeutics mean basically interpreting the Bible,
Speaker 3: and you know, all these events happened in seventy a D.
Speaker 3: Basically with the exception of Christ returning right according to
Speaker 3: the Bible. And then he kind of asked anybody's reflections
Speaker 3: on it. Nobody said anything, so, you know, me, I
Speaker 3: pulled the trigger and I didn't say hi, I'm sure
Speaker 3: jobs hosted the podcast, but I did say, you know,
Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of people who believe that
Speaker 3: we've been lied about a timeline and that possibly, you know,
Speaker 3: that did happen and we'd already had the Millennial Kingdom
Speaker 3: and we're in the Little Season now, and I basically,
Speaker 3: you know, on the zoom call, everybody looked at me
Speaker 3: like I had something growing on my shoulder, like another head,
Speaker 3: like for most of them it's something they'd never even
Speaker 3: heard of before, which again goes to show, you know,
Speaker 3: this is a conversation. I think that's very niche within
Speaker 3: the truth community. But again they claimed that the Little
Speaker 3: Season after the Millennial Rain is kind of this final
Speaker 3: test for humanity after Christ's one thousand year reign, and
Speaker 3: again it the one thing I would encourage people to
Speaker 3: do is to go into strongs concordance like you did
Speaker 3: earlier with the Nasha or what was the h yeah,
Speaker 3: fifty three seventy seven in your concordance and look up generation,
Speaker 3: because there are ways you can kind of interpret it, right,
Speaker 3: But I'll leave it up to y'all. Go to your
Speaker 3: strong s concordance when it talks about when needs all
Speaker 3: these things will come in this generation, research the Greek
Speaker 3: root meaning of generation, and then interpret it for yourself.
Speaker 3: And then you know, revelation twenty eight talks about go
Speaker 3: deceive the nations, gather them for battles. And then it's
Speaker 3: the massive rebellion described as Gog and Magog. And that's
Speaker 3: another interesting thing. And again I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: a deception, but the Bush family I have to search
Speaker 3: for real quick, but I think it was. The senior
Speaker 3: Bush was called Maygog George H. W. Bush Magog like.
Speaker 3: I think it was like nick a call sign or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: George H. W. Bush h Okay. So the connection stems
Speaker 3: from the claims that HW. Bush's sons, George W. Bush
Speaker 3: used a reference to Gog and Magon in the context
Speaker 3: of the Iraq War, okay. And then it's very interesting
Speaker 3: because if you remember we I think it was March
Speaker 3: twenty third, two thousand and three, we went from Kwait
Speaker 3: and Iraq, and the Iraq War kicked off less than
Speaker 3: sixty days later. We're digging up the tune of Gilgamash Gilgamesh.
Speaker 1: You know, right, and yeah, or Neimrod, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nemrod, exactly right. And then you have Bush comparing it
Speaker 3: to Gog and Magog like. And the more you think
Speaker 3: about all of these things, it's like, are we actively
Speaker 3: and unknowingly participating in the war against God. Well, George,
Speaker 3: how can you possibly say that? All right, and it's
Speaker 3: an indirect way, Just hear me out for a second.
Speaker 3: If we're paying taxes and NASA is getting our tax money, NASA,
Speaker 3: I firmly believe the whole real purpose is to get
Speaker 3: through the firmament and to get to God. I honestly
Speaker 3: that's what they're doing. Part of it, sure is a
Speaker 3: PASI scheme, and they can use that money for their
Speaker 3: other black ops, but that's what it's all about. They
Speaker 3: want to defeat God because they know their time is limited.
Speaker 3: So all the time they have they're deceiving the nations
Speaker 3: they're trying to dig up, you know, like was it
Speaker 3: Nemos believe they were using that DNA from Nimrod to
Speaker 3: bring the anti Christ and breaking through the firmament all
Speaker 3: of these things. It feels like that we're like these
Speaker 3: they're making us like these inactive participants in this war
Speaker 3: against God. Do you understand what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do, And I definitely think that back scene,
Speaker 1: I heard us someone explaining how it how it alters
Speaker 1: your your DNA and it's kind of ever removes you
Speaker 1: from from God. You've lost that that God gene and
Speaker 1: you once your DNA's been altered in that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's you know, there's people who say that
Speaker 3: if you believe in the Bible, it's not like a
Speaker 3: genetic and like maybe their thought is if they kill
Speaker 3: that god gene, they can separate you from God. Maybe
Speaker 3: that's what they're hoping they can do. But we know
Speaker 3: that we are saved through our faith and faith alone.
Speaker 3: But I've seen the videos where that gene like it's
Speaker 3: a light and it goes out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've heard of people kind of praying out
Speaker 1: the effects of the vaccine. People that got it and
Speaker 1: regretted it, they were able to kind of pray it
Speaker 1: out of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, we're having this conversation and ten
Speaker 3: years ago, if I if I heard this, I'll be like,
Speaker 3: what in the world is going on? What are we
Speaker 3: listening to? But it really goes so that people are
Speaker 3: truly waking up. And that's the thing. You really have
Speaker 3: to understand. All of this that we've talked about today,
Speaker 3: whether it's vaccines, NASA war, those things don't really glorify God.
Speaker 3: These are tools that Satan uses to deceive and is actively.
Speaker 3: You know, we know how the story ends, but they're
Speaker 3: going to use everything that they have in their disposal
Speaker 3: to try to say face and overcome God, even though
Speaker 3: we know how it all ends in the win. But
Speaker 3: but something I've been thinking about a lot as I
Speaker 3: get older, is like, I don't want to be a
Speaker 3: part of UH, to be a part of this, They're
Speaker 3: they're games, right. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 3: to play a part of that. I want to be
Speaker 3: in the best system whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard definitely that the VACS thing was
Speaker 1: kind of a test for the Beast. It couldn't possibly
Speaker 1: be the mark of the Beast. We're not at that point.
Speaker 1: And you know the Book of Revelation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely it was. I think it was a
Speaker 3: test to see how far they could push it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then with well, with the Book of Revelation
Speaker 1: and where it says that Israel will become a nation
Speaker 1: again and that that generation will we'll see the return. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how does that line up exactly with the Little Season?
Speaker 1: Because I hear arguments where it convinces me fully on
Speaker 1: the Little Season. And then we'll hear another argument that
Speaker 1: convinces me the opposite, and I'm so on the fence
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not I'm not sure where exactly we
Speaker 1: are and if we are in the little season, where
Speaker 1: we go after the little season?
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, anyone enough found in the Book of Life
Speaker 3: gets thrown in the fire, you know, the second death,
Speaker 3: and then the the I think it's the the old
Speaker 3: Heaven and the old Earth passes away, and then the
Speaker 3: New Jerusalem descends from Heaven, not from the rothschilds, and
Speaker 3: then you know, God then his people. That's the endgame, right,
Speaker 3: No more death, no more sorrow, no more crying, no
Speaker 3: more pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the dimensions of the kingdom that.
Speaker 3: The one was it one forty four thousand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I want to It wouldn't fit on a
Speaker 1: on a sphere, right, that is what I've what I've learned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: dimensions of that well yeah, with cheek kind of teeter totter,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but if that had happened in the past,
Speaker 1: you know, with the millennial reign, would that wouldn't that
Speaker 1: still be here? Or is that tartaria?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all stuff that you know. It kind
Speaker 1: of keeps me up in night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think most of our listeners, right, we're
Speaker 3: deep thinkers. We like to have answers. And I for
Speaker 3: some things, like I kind of have come to, you know,
Speaker 3: the feeling that you know what, I don't think God
Speaker 3: wants us and I think again, right, I think Revelation
Speaker 3: twenty two the Tree of life, right, it all everything's
Speaker 3: full circle. The Tree of life is accessible again because
Speaker 3: it starts out in Genesis, you know, everything but that tree,
Speaker 3: and they get in trouble and then at the end,
Speaker 3: I think in Revelation twenty two, the Tree of Life
Speaker 3: is accessible again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've recently read the Book of Revelation, and
Speaker 1: that's the fact that I don't remember ever learning in church.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Angel showed me the river of the water
Speaker 3: of life flowing. Yeah, it's in twenty two, no longer
Speaker 3: any curses and everything is restored.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I brought that up. It wasn't received well,
Speaker 3: but I don't think they understood it. I don't think
Speaker 3: they quite understood like the meaning of it. And I
Speaker 3: think it's a relat I don't know how long, like
Speaker 3: when a conspiracy and a quote unquote air quote conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory comes along, I generally tend to research, like how
Speaker 3: long that particular theory has been around, Like, I didn't
Speaker 3: know vaccine questioning vaccines has been around for hundreds of years.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering when that little season theory began.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they'd be interesting to learn. I saw a
Speaker 1: newspaper article from around nineteen hundred that stated that back
Speaker 1: vaccines caused cancer, Like that was a definitive scientific discovery,
Speaker 1: and that was, you know, one hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: years ago. They linked vaccines with.
Speaker 3: Didn't you said that was the eighteen sixties.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a nineteen hundred. It was
Speaker 1: like a newspaper article I saw somebody had there's some
Speaker 1: scientists had made that correlation and it was published that
Speaker 1: long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, and a lot of these things have
Speaker 3: been in our history books for quite some time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's for sure. Is there any other topics we haven't
Speaker 3: touched on that you wanted to mention?
Speaker 1: This is just a small thing. I think one of
Speaker 1: our first emails was about Charlie Duke, the Christian astronaut.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Recently, you know, when I emailed you had My
Speaker 1: grandma is someone that was a solid rock of faith
Speaker 1: in my in my life, and yeah, she was Her
Speaker 1: biggest joy in life was singing hymns and spreading the
Speaker 1: Word of God and talking to anybody she could about Jesus.
Speaker 1: And after I came around to flat Earth, I kind
Speaker 1: of broke the subject with her, and she took about
Speaker 1: a week or two to pray about it and do
Speaker 1: her own little research, and she told me, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of prayed and thought about it, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. And then she shared me an
Speaker 1: interview with Charlie Duke, who was a Christian, and I
Speaker 1: listened to that interview and he sounded pretty convincing. He described,
Speaker 1: you know, standing on the moon, and he talked about
Speaker 1: his faith in Christ and and then that's that's when
Speaker 1: I emailed you about that, wondering what your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the subject were. And then you you talked about the
Speaker 1: MK ultra that maybe, you know, maybe he did believe
Speaker 1: that he was there or or then I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe the moon is within our firmament and he was
Speaker 1: able to go to it, And that's when I started
Speaker 1: questioning all that stuff. But yeah, just Charlie Duke and
Speaker 1: what your thoughts on him were.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I do remember that very clearly, having that
Speaker 3: conversation with you, And you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: I think he's still alive, right, He's one of like
Speaker 3: four astronauts who went to the men who were still alive. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you know number one, I don't know what's in
Speaker 3: his heart, but you know, MK ultra is real. You know,
Speaker 3: you have people like Sir Hans, Sirhan who had who
Speaker 3: was no recollection of that day I think was June eighth,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight, the night RFK got shot, or the
Speaker 3: two weeks leading up to it. And I think they're
Speaker 3: even able to what's the Schwarzenegger movie where they don't
Speaker 3: go on vacation, but they pay five hundred whatever and
Speaker 3: they plant call yeah, total recall, thanks, and they plant
Speaker 3: these vacations in their minds.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: I think there's some truth to that. So I'm not
Speaker 3: a big fan of just calling people. I don't know him,
Speaker 3: I don't know his heart, but I just I mean,
Speaker 3: it doesn't add up that we can go to the
Speaker 3: moon whatsoever. Does he believe that he's doing this for
Speaker 3: the greater good in some warped way. There are people
Speaker 3: who have it all throughout history who have participated in
Speaker 3: these nefarious campaigns under the guise of greater good. And
Speaker 3: and again I'm just pontificating here. I don't Again, I
Speaker 3: don't know mister Duke. I've never met him, but it
Speaker 3: could be any one of those things. Hopefully you know
Speaker 3: it's not. He's just straight up lying and he's a
Speaker 3: Freemasonry and that's in their code. But I think when
Speaker 3: you mentioned him, I feel like I researched him and
Speaker 3: I didn't find him as a Freemason.
Speaker 1: Okay, I know I've read that bow of the Jesuit,
Speaker 1: the Jesuit priests.
Speaker 3: That's brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just their their mission to deceive and
Speaker 1: just go out and you know, fight against against all
Speaker 1: this stuff. And I don't know, maybe maybe I haven't
Speaker 1: really looked into see in what kind of organizations he
Speaker 1: was in, but it would make sense if maybe he
Speaker 1: was aligned with the Jesuits or Freemasons or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, if I remember correctly, the biggest red
Speaker 3: flag of Charlie was they claimed his lineage goes back
Speaker 3: to the Founding Fathers. So if he has that bloodline.
Speaker 3: Then you know, all bets are off right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, another one was Super Bowl. It would be
Speaker 1: Polaris with the Georgia guidestone and how it's never moved.
Speaker 1: It's a fixed point. You know. I believe that God's
Speaker 1: throne is right above that, and that the our borealis
Speaker 1: is the light shining off of God's throne. The Bible
Speaker 1: describes that light as kind of an emerald green kind
Speaker 1: of ye you know, it's it's got to be the
Speaker 1: Aurora borealis and the fact that God is our north star,
Speaker 1: He's our fixed point. He's something that can guide our
Speaker 1: lives and makes sense that his throne would be immovable
Speaker 1: and fixed and below it must be you know, the
Speaker 1: Black Rock and the North Pole, which we kind of
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. There's got to be something up there in
Speaker 1: the North Pole that Yeah, maybe the South Pole is
Speaker 1: could be a distraction. And I believe it's the Book
Speaker 1: of Enoch that talks about a giant magnetic mountain in
Speaker 1: the North Pole.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't hear a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: about that. You know, what is black Rock is? You know,
Speaker 1: as anyone been there, is there any video footage of it.
Speaker 3: So apparently there is. And I know I've said this
Speaker 3: in the last podcast, but justin Trudeau, when he was
Speaker 3: a young kid, his father took him there and he
Speaker 3: talks about that all the time. But and you know
Speaker 3: what's interesting, there is no Arctic treaty, like there was
Speaker 3: an Antarctic treaty.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's interesting. So what Yeah, what's stopping us
Speaker 1: from from going up there? You know, there's not going
Speaker 1: to be an military that turns us around. And Marchus's
Speaker 1: dad is there a hundred Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: that'd be fun. Get some flat earthers to go check
Speaker 1: out black Rock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not sure I ever looked to
Speaker 3: see if I could find pictures, and I'm looking really quick. Uh, well,
Speaker 3: I spelled that wrong. That would be a problem.
Speaker 1: That's got to be where the company gets its name from.
Speaker 3: Right, precisely right, And they say symbolism will be their downfall,
Speaker 3: and sure enough, Yeah, that's interesting. I cannot find a
Speaker 3: picture of it anywhere. I'm sure, Well, there's one thing
Speaker 3: on TikTok, but who knows. With everything that's CGI and
Speaker 3: generated today, who knows. But that's something I think that
Speaker 3: we don't talk about enough that we should probably look into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and would black Rock then, as the mountain be
Speaker 1: kind of a conspiracy theory or is it an acknowledged fact?
Speaker 1: You know that, because I don't know if anybody that
Speaker 1: I know that knows about it. And the fact that
Speaker 1: it's a giant magnetic mountain and that's well of our
Speaker 1: compasses point toward it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. I just know that it
Speaker 3: was a gerardis Mercader, the guy who basically came up
Speaker 3: with the nautical maps, right, and they say it was
Speaker 3: thirty three French miles. There's your thirty three. So that's
Speaker 3: a good question in himself. And then he sent the
Speaker 3: letter to John d who is a very controversial figure
Speaker 3: as well. It says, in the midst of four countries
Speaker 3: is a whirlpool into which they are emptying those four
Speaker 3: and drawing seas which divide the north, and the water
Speaker 3: rushes around and descends into the earth, just as if
Speaker 3: one were pouring it through a filter funnel. Which there
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 1: Okay, that reminds me. I was reading a couple things
Speaker 1: written by actually Edgar Allen Poe. He wrote The Voyage
Speaker 1: the narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, a character
Speaker 1: that travels the oceans and thends up going to the
Speaker 1: end of the Earth. Then he also Poe also wrote
Speaker 1: a short story it's just a few pages, called Manuscript
Speaker 1: Found in a Bottle, and he talks about that the Merketer.
Speaker 1: There's a line from the book that says, I became
Speaker 1: acquainted with the maps of Merketer or Mercator, in which
Speaker 1: the ocean is represented as rushing by four miles into
Speaker 1: the Northern Polar Gulf to be absorbed into the bowels
Speaker 1: of the Earth, the pole itself being represented by a
Speaker 1: black rock towering to a prodigious height.
Speaker 3: And you said that was Poe. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a the ms. Manuscript Found in a Bottle
Speaker 1: is a short story about a guy that ends up
Speaker 1: shipwrecked on a doom ship that's spiraling a giant whirlpool
Speaker 1: with this group of age people that don't seem to
Speaker 1: be aware that he's with them, and they're just recording
Speaker 1: things on this doom ship. Yeah, there's another quote in it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting. It says, it is evident
Speaker 1: that we are hurrying onward to some exciting knowledge, so
Speaker 1: me never to be imparted secret whose attainment is destruction.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this current leads us to the Southern Pole itself.
Speaker 1: The ice opens suddenly to the right and to the left,
Speaker 1: and we are whirling dizzily in immense, constant concentric circles
Speaker 1: round and around the borders of gigantic Amphitheater, the summit
Speaker 1: of whose walls is lost in the darkness and the distance.
Speaker 1: So to me, that kind of sounds like, you know,
Speaker 1: the walls of Antarctica.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And which writing was that?
Speaker 1: From manuscript found in a bottle?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, written in eighteen thirty one, so like how Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder how Poe himself would have got knowledge of
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Wrote in October eighteen thirty three, originally published. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: look into that one. I'm not sure that it's of course,
Speaker 3: they have to put that thing in the end. Some
Speaker 3: critics believe the story was meant as satire, right, but
Speaker 3: nobody really knows. Hero don't know that the Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 3: were basically named after him because he wrote the Raven.
Speaker 3: Yeah he wrote the Raven, right, Yeah, yeah, you did.
Speaker 3: I think they actually named the street outside the like
Speaker 3: Edgar Allan Poe Rode or whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the narrative of Arthur Gordon Pim. He writes
Speaker 1: a preface to us saying that it's a true story,
Speaker 1: but since no one would believe it, the the original
Speaker 1: guy contracted Poe to write it as fiction so as
Speaker 1: you know, just to get his story out there, because
Speaker 1: he knows that if he approached the public with the story,
Speaker 1: I want to be believed. So he hired Poe to
Speaker 1: write at as satire.
Speaker 3: You know, I can see that if we had something
Speaker 3: supernatural happened to us and we knew nobody would believe it,
Speaker 3: we'd probably try to present it as a joke, right
Speaker 3: or something, or a story, right, because we don't want
Speaker 3: to be you know, if we tried to tell somebody
Speaker 3: the earth was flat or something crazy like that.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. All this stuff has been around. I mean
Speaker 3: that's two hundred years old, the story, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then looking into it, I heard he gets his
Speaker 1: story ideas and stuff from other stuff. You know, you
Speaker 1: just go down this rabbit hole where he picked this
Speaker 1: up from this and just this. The subject has been
Speaker 1: around for so long and so many authors have written
Speaker 1: on it. It's just kind of gets forgotten. That's why
Speaker 1: I like to collect old books and have the actual
Speaker 1: physical copies like you. I've got about two thousand physical books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in the same way. My wife. Every time
Speaker 3: I do an interview, she goes, let me guess you
Speaker 3: found another book, and they mentioned another book. Amazon's coming
Speaker 3: every other day, dropping off books every time I have
Speaker 3: an interview. You know what's interesting, A lot a lot
Speaker 3: of these books talk about what I guess people would
Speaker 3: describe as hollow Worth. But when you read I think
Speaker 3: First Enoch in the chapter, one of those chapters in
Speaker 3: the thirties, it talks about the kind of compartments, and
Speaker 3: I can understand what they mean by Holloworth. Have you
Speaker 3: gotten that Foreign Enoch yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read all of First Enoch. I decided not
Speaker 1: to read second or thirdy Knock. I don't trust those ones.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've read read a Knock and I will
Speaker 1: leave that. There's a legend of agartha Agatha. It's a
Speaker 1: legendary kingdom that is said to be located on the
Speaker 1: inner surface of the Earth, related to the hollow Earth concept,
Speaker 1: and I think that has got some some ties to
Speaker 1: what's described in Enoch and as far as Hollow Earth,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it's it's just shie all,
Speaker 1: it's it's the pit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is very interesting. Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 3: Well it's it's been the almost seventy five minutes already.
Speaker 3: Was there anything else that you had that you wanted
Speaker 3: to mention that we haven't had a chance to talk
Speaker 3: about yet.
Speaker 1: I think we're pretty much covering everything.
Speaker 3: That's been a great conversation. We've touched on a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and we brought up a lot of things
Speaker 3: that we haven't mentioned before. So I think this is
Speaker 3: going to be received really well. And Scott's email is
Speaker 3: going to be in the show notes if you'd like
Speaker 3: to reach out to him, and he'll send me your Instagram.
Speaker 3: I think you said, yeah, that's it, so you can
Speaker 3: check out his art and support a fellow Truther, And
Speaker 3: as always, Scott will leave you with the last word.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For my last word, I'd like to just read
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty two thirty seven. Jesus said, unto them, thou
Speaker 1: shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
Speaker 1: and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Speaker 1: This is the first and great commandment, and the second
Speaker 1: is like unto it, thou shalt love the neighbor as thyself.
Speaker 1: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Speaker 3: Amen, well done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just go with God.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And when we present this in from remember to
Speaker 3: be you know, humble. One of the things we all
Speaker 3: need to work on, especially myself, is humility. You can
Speaker 3: never approach people like you are the end all be all.
Speaker 3: You know, know all of these things. We're all in
Speaker 3: search of the truth. But the one thing we should
Speaker 3: all agree on is the only way forward is through
Speaker 3: you know, our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, and you know,
Speaker 3: everything else is knowledge that we are thirsting for and
Speaker 3: we want to share with our fellow men. And we
Speaker 3: can also agree on, after two hundred and twenty five
Speaker 3: of these conversations, that this is an important conversation and
Speaker 3: it deserves to be shared with others. Would you agree, Scott.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I agree. Anything that leads people to Christ
Speaker 1: has got to be good.
Speaker 3: Amen. Thanks for your time, man, it was great to meet you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, thanks to all of our listeners. As we
Speaker 3: continue to wind things down here in the next several weeks.
Speaker 3: I want to thank everybody, of course who has been
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Speaker 3: everybody who's supported this journey over the last I mean
Speaker 3: I've been doing podcasting now for many many years. Uh,
Speaker 3: thank you, guys, and I hope you enjoyed this episode.
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Speaker 3: head on a swivel. Until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see it.
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