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Speaker 1: Let's start it off with this one little Supreme Court

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ruling here.

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Speaker 3: Here's are rather arguments hearing arguments in blockbuster cases challenging

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transgender sports brand sports bands.

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Speaker 1: What's the latest on this one?

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Speaker 4: Well, it is the latest because it's been a hotbed

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issue for a while. We've talked about many of these

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instances where what happens is a transgender female who's a

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biological male is playing on female sports team or competing

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in female competition. And you know, there was the instance

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with the swimmer and Riley Gains, the Kentucky swimmer, the

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woman who you know couldn't win, and so she's been

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a real activist in this. And what happened when all

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these things were being seen that there was transgender females

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playing in whether it was high school or college or whatever,

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in female on female teams, states began to pass laws

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and the majority of these laws were really basically saying, hey,

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biological male who is a transgender female. No problem with that,

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they're saying, but you can't participate on female teams and

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compete against other females. So what happened when laws like

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this were passed. Activist groups and even individual plaintiffs they

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come forward and they challenge these laws, and they challenge

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them based on what are constitutional issues? Really, not just

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oh we don't like these issues. We're saying these violate

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constitutional rights. Well, two states that made it through the

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appeal system. They made it through the state system, they

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made it through what's called the Federal Court of the

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appeal system, and the United States Supreme Court SCOTIS decided

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to hear these cases. And SCOTIS doesn't usually hear cases

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unless they think it's an important issue to hear. It's

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an issue of first impression and it needs to be

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decided to set a precedent and to give guidelines going

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forward with other laws. Well, the state of Idaho, in

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the state of West Virginia's cases came up which were challenged.

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So people challenging these losses and they're unconstitutional. Well, the

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basic arguments are by the people challenging it are that, hey,

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this violates Title fourteen Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution

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where it involves gender rights, and whenever it involves gender,

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things need to be highly scrutinized, and you can't be

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treating you know, you can't be discrimination. That's really what

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it comes down discrimination. Well, the other side, the ones

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supporting the laws and these things, they're saying, hey, there's

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really no constitutional right that addresses biological males transgender females

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to play on women's teams. That's really the issue, and

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you know, it's an emotional issue, it really is. So

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arguments were heard, and most of the legal analysis coming

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out think that it's it's going to uphold these laws,

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essentially saying yeah, these laws are okay, and transgender females

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cannot play on female teams. It's unfair, it's unfair competition,

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that type of thing. But the question now that looks

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how far reaching is that? How broad is that opinion?

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these laws, and twenty three actually have not paid these

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laws and don't have them on the books. So the

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question is, will this just go to these plaintiffs here

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and say, yeah, your banned these laws? Are okay or

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other states with laws, and it probably sends a message

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they'll probably be upheld. So, you know, one person argues said, hey,

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we need this to be a national law. We can't

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have it that. You know, transgender females can participate in

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one state and they can't in another, you know, where

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it applied. But regardless when the decision come down, I'm

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message to everyone kind of with the leaning of the court,

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and the court is a conservative court, so large part

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they probably will uphold these laws.

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Speaker 3: Still, it's perfectly fine for a transgender female though, to

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play on a men's team, right if they make the team.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what a lot of people say, they're a

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biological I mean, this gets into a lot of issues

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that I don't fully understand. And I'm mindful and respectful

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and sensitive to individuals that go through this, and they,

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if you claim to be transgender, and you claim to

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be a transgender female, that's okay, and everybody needs to

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respect each other. There's rights and boundaries and everything. But

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then when it goes into well are we gonna let

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you participate in female sports and female competitions against you know,

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female athletes. And the one big one was this, uh,

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this pennsylvani University of Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania swimmer, six foot four

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dude who was just an okay swimmer on the men's team,

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and he says these transitions, gets on the female teams,

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and he wins the national championship, and a lot of females,

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you know, were like, hey, we fought for this our

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whole lives and now we're we're not allowed to win.

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So that's where it's really looking like an unfair advantage.

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But to your question, sure they can, if they can

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Speaker 1: Team, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's beenny, I don't think there'd be

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any challenges to that.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Well, yeah, exactly like, it's like you can still

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play sports. It's not like your band from participation of sport.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a it's a uh. It's a complicated issue

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with strong feelings on both sides.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know there were a couple of transgender

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females in Utah and it was just a couple, but

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you know, I mean, their parents argue that this is

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their chance to play sports and have competition and do

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all that, and it goes to their mental health and

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mental well being. And then you ask the question, well,

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could they have made the men's soccer team or the

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men's basketball team or you know, but that's not who

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they wanted to be. That's their argument.

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Speaker 3: Let's move on to NCAA basketball players and gamblers being

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charged for allegedly rigging games.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of hullablue.

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Speaker 3: Like one of the fastest growing markets right now is

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just being able to bet on just about anything. And

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obviously college athletics is being extremely impacted by gambling. And

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these young men and young ladies that are getting into gambling.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing

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at all. What's the latest in this particular scenario.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is another big case, another big indictment. I

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guess I should say that that's come down. And you know,

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we've talked recently. There was the NBA case with Terry Rozier, right,

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similar type of case. There was the Chauncey Phillips, you know,

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poker ring case. So there's been a lot of these

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sports betting cases that we've talked about. This one. Maybe

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what's a little different about it is it involves college

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basketball players, and it really involves I mean a whole

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bunch of schools involved in this. I think there's gosh,

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there are forty schools I think implicated in this. Most

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of them are all mid major schools, and none of

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our local schools I don't see on this list. I mean,

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but just as an example, Ben, I mean schools like Abilene, Christian,

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Alabama State, Buffalo, Choppin State, Eastern Michigan, Fordham Kennesas State.

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I mean, you get the idea, right, and so a

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lot of times what was happening is you had some

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people on the outside who would contact these players, usually

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on underdog teams, and a lot of times this involved

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just the point spread, and so you know, they get

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these players on the underdog team to shave some points, right,

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not score, you know, keep their point totals down so

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that whether going into halftime or by the end of

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the game, they'd win their bets. And I mean so,

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I mean there was a like a four hundred thousand

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dollars bet placed on a game between Kennesas State and

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like Buffalo, right, I mean, it's crazy who's betting on this?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: Or there was another one for Butler to cover a

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six point five spread against DePaul. Well, what's coming out now?

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I mean talking about DePaul in particular. I mean, and

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this just goes back two seasons. This is all very

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current stuff, right, I mean DePaul went oh to sixteen

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in Big East play two years ago. Four of their

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players from that team are implicated in this. Some of

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these guys are on current rosters. And as of as

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this news coming down, this is just today that this

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in these charges came out. They've been cut from their

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teams a few of them already. So anyway, it's it's again,

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like you said, kind of just more of the same.

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We've we've seen some of this, but here we are.

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This is impacting some lower levels of college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be. I mean, I hate

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to legalize certain things.

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Speaker 3: Right, There'll always be kind of a market for this stuff,

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but it's I think the NCAA president has like asked

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the federal government to like to help him, and I

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can't remember what was what the specific request was, but

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limit the ability of college sports gambling because it's infiltrating

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the competitive the competitive.

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Speaker 1: Nature of sport, especially at the collegiate levels. So this

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isn't issue. This is a big issue.

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Speaker 3: And more and more young people are are gambling that

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literally their their funds away and going into debt just

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to gamble.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, exactly, And that's what they're asking for. And

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one of the one in particular what they're asking for

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is a ban on these prop bets, right, so you know,

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I mean, if we're just going to bet that Richie

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I mean you can bet on anything right in these

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in these games, you know how many minutes played or whatever.

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And so they've just made it so easy with online betting,

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and and uh, it's yeah, it's all over the place,

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but we've got to have some new rules in place.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on.

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Speaker 3: RAMS owner and Inglewood legal battle over placement of billboards.

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Speaker 1: A little marketing and advertising lawsuit. What are we at?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Exciting stuff for everything. Yeah, this is crazy exciting stuff.

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So the owner of the Los Angeles Lunchiz Los Angeles Rams,

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uh multi molti billionaire. H mister, how do you say

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Cronky, crunky, crunky. He is uh the owner of the Rams,

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but apparently part owner of that. He fas a lawsuit

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against the city of Inglewood where he's claiming they've entered

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into an agreement with Wild Media stop his sixty billboards

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around Hollywood Park where Sofi Stadium is. He's claiming that

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this violet skill when this thing was going on, that

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he put this up, probably saying, hey, you know, we

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can't have stuff like that around here. This is kind

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of our place to market and that type of thing

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and earned revenue and he and he, uh, this advertisement

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would undergot the exclusive sponsorships table ambush of marketing around

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some of the world's sporting events. It's not just the

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rams of there's not the charges to play there. There's

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a ton of going around. You start putting up sixty boards,

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it's going to make place look like, you know, like Vega.

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The city response there there says, hey, wait a minute,

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this is you're being greedy, mister. We have a right

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we want with personal public property as long as we

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go through their proper processes to go through that. And

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you know, and this is revenue for the city. And

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so I guess what it comes down to. Was there

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an agreement and what part of that agreement go and

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does it violate that agreement? So fighting stuff. We'll see

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if thingle would gets to put up any billboards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, your your connection is a little bit uh,

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you know, disrupted. But so I don't know if you

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want to move to the other spot where.

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Speaker 1: You're at before. But oh sorry, you're okay. I can

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hear you now. But yeah, you're okay disrupted there.

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Speaker 4: But fans out there, what I said was really not

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too exciting you. You didn't miss a lot about a

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multi multi billionaire so in a city over billboards?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk aeron judge, then all rise legal

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when in a trademark lesson case.

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Speaker 1: What do we got?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know how baseball teams or any team

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does this right when a player's got a certain name

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and they find some angle right, and they might do

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this in the stadium on banners or on you know,

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digital displays. And so this started happening in Yankee Stadium

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with Aaron Judges. He was becoming popular. This goes back

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to about twenty seventeen. And so one was all rise

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right when Aaron Judge is up, or the other one

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was here comes the Judge and so playing on this

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legal theme with his name Judge. So at about that time,

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Yankees are using these phrases. There's a guy in Long

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Island who runs to the trademark office to register those

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two phrases. He's going to put them on hats and

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you know, T shirts and whatever and so some merch

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and so this got into a dispute with the Yankees

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over this trademark and the Yankees and Aaron Judge. I

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guess Aaron Judge had not filed his own trademark for this,

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and so part of the argument was, we'll wait a minute.

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This is obviously about me, Aaron Judge, and this is

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going to be really confusing for consumers. They're thinking, you

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know that this is not a this is official merchandise.

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He's not, and Aaron Judge isn't earning anything from that.

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So they fought for what's called the common law trademark,

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and they did. They did win their case in spite

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of the guy who was going to make the T

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shirts claiming that, well, you know, I had no I

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just I like these phrases all rise and here comes

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a judge. I don't know anything about Aaron Judge. I've

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never heard of him. I've never been to a Yankees

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baseball game. I've never seen him play. I don't know

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anything about it. I just I just happen to like

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these phrases. This has nothing to do with Aaron Judge.

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And the court was not buying that. So I guess

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the word is, if you've got a phrase you want

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to use, better trademarket, better trademark lavoida legal fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, How do you check trademarks? Can we google that?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: You know, is there a trademark website to see if

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something's trademarked?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is the US Patent and Trademark Office, and

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so a lot of times. You know, if you've got

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a one one thing that you know intellectual property lawyers do, right,

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is they'll monitor these kinds of things for their clients, right,

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And see if anybody's filing anything or coming up so

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that they're on top of it. But yeah, it's something

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you just have to be vigilant about.

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Speaker 3: Gotta be vigilant, gotta be proactive. Final thing here a

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little update on the river Side abuse case. X coach

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testifies to witnessing abuse.

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Speaker 1: What do we have here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we quick quick on this. We talked about

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this last week and follow This is a lawsuit that

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grows out of the acclaim by a gentleman who played

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for an all star team back in the seventies and

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early eighties that was sponsored by Riverside Church. It was

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kind of the first of its type, an all star

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basketball team with really good players that traveled around the

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country and even outside the country with sponsorships. Well, years

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and years later, this mister Powell comes out with claims

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that the coach, Ernest Lorch, who was a multi millionaire

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lawyer in New York City, was sexually abusing him and

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other players. Well, mister Lorch has since he has since

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passed away and can you hear me? Yes, yeah, gotcha, Okay,

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he since passed away. So a lawsuit goes against Riverside

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Church and the issue is this he's soon in Riverside Church.

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At Riverside Church is saying, well, wait a minute, mister

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Lurch was the bad actor. This guy was the pedophile,

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sex abuser. Not you know, we're not on this, but

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he's saying, hey, he was under your supervision. He was

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the coach of this team. He sat on your board

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of trustees. You knew or should have known that this

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stuff was going on, and you could have prevented it. Well,

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so now the thing starts to trial this week, and

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whenever a trial starts, the plaintiff, the person bringing the lawsuit,

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mister Powell, he has the burden of proving everything. He

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has to prove the legal arguments. He has to prove

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his claims that Riverside knew or should have known about

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this going on. He has to prove his damages. He's

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claiming PTSD and mental health and emotional damages from this

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happening forty years ago. Well, one of the witnesses, bombshell

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witness was an assistant coach of the team who said

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he walked in on mister Kring Lurch and saw him

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actually abusing sexually abusing a player, and he actually went

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and reported it to the pastor of the church. Well,

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here we come. Forty years later. They bring him into

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trial and he testifies he actually took a bunch of

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players and said he wasn't going to keep him there

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because he didn't think they were safe. It's reported that

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it was widely known around a lot of people that

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this guy was a bad dude and there was some

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inappropriate stuff going on. Well, the defense has attacked this

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and saying, hey, this was forty plus years ago. How

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can you remember all this. He's bringing this now, Why

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is he bringing it now and didn't bring it earlier?

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So we'll hear from all the plaintiff witnesses. The jury

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gets to hear all of that, and then the defense

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will put their case on and we'll see what happens.

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But this is a type of This is a type

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of testimony, and apparently there were a couple of other

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players that testified. That really goes to the heart of

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mister Powell's arguments about Hey, the church, he was under

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their supervision, They knew and should have done something about it.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, that is our sports court for today.

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Speaker 3: The verdict is out and we appreciate you joining us

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for yet another Sports Cord segment. You guys are better

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ben, we love coming on here. It's a good

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen, thank you so much. Always a pleasure talking sports

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Speaker 4: Hey, thanks Ben be all.

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Speaker 3: Right, thank you, gentlemen. We'll go to break. That was

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