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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mixed in some vodka colored. A podcast from the Mac

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of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor

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Chrysler Dots jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.

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That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Oh,

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Danny's here, and he's got you know what I love with.

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Danny's got a array of hats that I've never seen before.

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This one is a Wyoming hat, right talent, and I

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saw when I was out. Greg Connors is here, The

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empty Nester is here.

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Speaker 2: The empty nest.

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Speaker 3: Is all the Wyoming jerseys that came out of nowhere.

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Oh yeah, like no one was normal. The poor guy

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was in college. No one paid any attention. Now, Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: There's more Wyoming jerseys than you b jerseys in Western

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New York.

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Speaker 3: Did you know? Including the team know right, there's mister

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nfl as a guy who, yes, he comes in here,

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he stops in all the time, just stops in, sits

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down and just starts ranting.

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Speaker 2: But he yes, but he never heard of him.

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Speaker 3: He was a guy who was always on called different

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radio shows and exports shows, all these things. But he

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went to Wyoming. He played football a Wyoming. I didn't

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know that thing he did. He played football at Wyoming

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back in he was a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Really I knew. I knew he played quarterback seventy one

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seventy somewhere around in the early originally from this area.

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Speaker 3: He's originally from Long Island, came up here, went to

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Aquinas as an Aquinas grad and grew up in Fairport.

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But his father said, nope, I want you to go

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into Aquinas and that's where he went. No, kid, Yeah, interesting,

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it is interesting. So I don't know if this is

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an act of getting old or not, but I'm finding

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things that annoy me more and more. And one of

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the things that really annoys me is gum on the ground, right,

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people just spitting their gum out. And I'll put it,

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I can't stand that dog shit on the sidewalk. When

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I'm out either walking or jogging, I'll see these little

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turns and then this one sounds strange. But graffiti, now

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I I don't mind. Like when it's a big mural

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and it looks good and it's a piece of art.

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I I kind of I can understand that that I get,

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but when it's just somebody's tag for their ego or whatever,

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and it just it just looks like, shit.

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Speaker 5: Where do you see?

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Speaker 2: Where'd you see that? Well? I'm walking in here.

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Speaker 3: Uh, this has been about almost two weeks now and

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it's been bugging me. I. So there was somebody talking

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very loudly on their cell phone, and I hear these

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two guys, two young guys, talking about the person who's

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talking loudly, like they're walking out and there. I mean,

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they are loud. You can't not hear this. No they're not,

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but they're just that person's very loud.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: My hearing sucks.

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Speaker 3: So you can't hear you talk loud? You do do that.

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So I see these guys and they're down past. They're

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waiting for Chinese food. They're outside the Chinese restaurant. It's

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a Sunday. Because I was setting the MIC's back up,

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and I don't forget where we had been, but I

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was setting some stuff up, and so I had to

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make a couple of trips back to the to the

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jeep and then come back in and back to jeep,

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and I noticed that. I'm looking down there and I go,

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are they drawing on the top of the red garbage can?

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There's a garbage can there, and I'm thinking, and I

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almost yelled out, like in my dad voice, Hey, what

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are you doing? Yeah? And I kept thinking, and I

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looked like one of them had like a big marker

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in their hand, and it looked like and then all

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of a sudden he stopped doing whatever, and the other

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guy steps up and they're doing it. And I'm thinking, nah,

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I'll just keep my mouth shut. But for whatever reason,

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they kept bugging me and bugging me, bugging me. So

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I see them leave and I wait about ten minutes

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and I go down there, and sure as shit, they

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had graffiti the top of the garbage can. Really yeah,

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there was no artistic value to it. It was not

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there was some kind of message about that somebody loves somebody.

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I couldn't tell. I'm like, what the I almost yelled like,

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I go, And then I thought, what if I did

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what happens next? What happens next? Because they're young, guys,

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because then I'm going they'll probably come down.

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Speaker 2: When you say young, you mean high school young, I

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knowledge young.

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Speaker 3: I don't know because one of them had facial hair

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and the other guy looked like he couldn't grow facial hair,

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so I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Tell if they were. You know, sometimes at fifteen, some

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Speaker 3: Puberty and his whole body just explodes and there's fur everywhere,

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and somebody else not so much. So I have no idea.

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I don't know how old they were, but it was

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bugging me and bothered me and I and I'm bothered

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that I didn't say anything, because when I walk down there,

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I go, God, that just shits up an area to me.

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Speaker 2: So if the boys were here, they would tell you that.

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I always say I say stuff, yeah, and oftentimes, and

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depending on where I am, i'll say so. Sometimes I

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won't for fear of my safety.

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Speaker 3: But well, I was thinking, like, I don't want retribution.

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I don't want well, drawing on the windows, you know,

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smashing something.

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Speaker 2: Because you don't want anything to escalate.

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Speaker 3: No, But they didn't look like guys who would be

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escalating anyway.

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Speaker 2: They were you know, just too so dumb, you know,

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for me, it's like, well, then let them know that

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what they're doing is intacceptable.

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Speaker 3: Come on, And I know it sounds like an old

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man thing, but I was like, god that, why does it?

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Speaker 2: It just seems to.

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Speaker 3: When you see graffiti, it's in certain neighborhoods, and you go,

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I know what neighborhood this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my trip to New York it was like this

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always saw for the first hour.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you get used to it.

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Speaker 4: And I said to my wife, it's all looks the same,

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none of it. I mean it's all bubble letters and yeah,

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it all looks the same. There's no street art. But

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then I go, why do they call it tagging? Soft

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Speaker 3: Like for somebody's name, and it all does is like

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feed somebody's ego. I don't know who looks at this,

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but like, you know, well, Jamison was getting really into

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graffiti at one point, and he came up with like

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his own on my car, Yeah, because he did do

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it on the sink at school and got into a

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lot of time. Oh my god, he had his own

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his own thing. Portlain. Second, I'm like, we don't need

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to be shipping.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got in trouble for you. The thing

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is that if you gotta tag and the people see it,

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they know you did it. Right. My old thing is

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I always say come on, yes, that's come on.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna. I was about to go hey,

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because I was gonna, hey, what are you guys doing? Like,

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I'm just thinking, this is a nice area. We don't need,

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you know. It's not like they were doing it on

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a brick wall out in front here, but they were was.

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Speaker 2: On the top of the carbs camp.

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Speaker 3: For whatever reason, it annoyed me, and I go, come

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an old man, they're comeback to be Yeah, but it's garbage.

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Well right, it's the garbage lid. It just looks shitty.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, just like shitty.

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Speaker 2: I'm going you can.

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Speaker 3: Tell a lot about neighborhood when you walk in there,

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you know, if they have barbed wire or bars on

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the windows, something that you go, okay, I'm expecting graffiti

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will be the next thing, and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Which oftentimes happens. Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just just an old man observation. I was like,

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I saw that. I go, man, I'm still annoyed that

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I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 2: So if you see somebody harassing somebody on a yes,

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then you say stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've even had an incident when I was married

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where we were leaving Dix and I think it was

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the Dicks of Henrietta, and we watched these kids, what

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thought you met? Like graffiti?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, somebody has washed their car.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. I had a car break down in

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the in the Pontillo's at the Base and I needed

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to get like a toe or whatever, and I left

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it there and it had lightly snowed. Those guys who

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owned the restaurant, like Steve and his son. His son

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went out and drew a giant penis that's just shooting

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like seamen or whatever out in the snow.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was, it couldn't help it.

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Speaker 3: I had it was uh no, this was leaving Dix

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and these kids chased another group of kids out to

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the car and we're leaving and Jenna's yelling something about

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you gotta you gotta do something. You guys are like

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what am I So finally now I'm like so annoyed.

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I whip back into a parking lot and I jump

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out and y'll, hey, cut it out, and they all

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just sort of looked at me, and a couple of

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the other guys walked away, and I'm like, that could

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have gone terribly wrong, like completely terribly wrong, and yet

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Speaker 4: It could have turned into a George from Seinfeld moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be the big man here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then George.

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Speaker 2: That's why I've come to learn. If you when when

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I say come on, yeah, because then because then, I

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mean you say that, people are be like, yo, what, well.

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Speaker 3: You know what you're doing wrong?

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing it right. And if they say

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mind your own business, it's like, yeah, but stop doing

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what you're doing. You know you shouldn't be doing it

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right exactly. And then you know, one time I was like,

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do I have to call the cops? And somebody was like, oh, we.

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Speaker 3: Are you some big man.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna come over here, We're gonna take care of you.

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to the cops then, because I'm gonna call the cops

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right now. Stop what you're doing. I'm gonna call the cops.

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Speaker 3: Is there a way to gently like walk go, hey,

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what you're drawing?

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Speaker 4: Man, I'm sure fellas you know this is a nice

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drawn Yeah, you know what would be better?

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Speaker 2: You did this? Yeah? Nice.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't do that because I was all I was

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so close to hey, what are you doing? I was

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so close to doing that, and I didn't. And I'm

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annoyed that I didn't, because I go, this is where

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we work, this is you know, take a little pride.

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That's the biggest problem I have. I think now in

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certain areas is no pride. Nobody gives a ship. Yeah,

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I tell that right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can also tell the way kids finish their

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jobs or failure to finish their jobs or their tasks.

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You know, clean your room, yes, or pick up the

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sidewalk or pick the trash out. You know, it's like

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do everything, don't do You know you're gonna say something damn.

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Speaker 5: But well no, no, no, no, like I was.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: They say, when you're driving, people get road rage, right,

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especially if they've been driving a long time. They say, like, so,

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what's your instant reaction? Somebody cuts you off, you hit

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your horn, you flip them the bird? They say, actually,

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that just emboldens people to be angry er. Yeah, said Instead, though,

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if you give them a thumbs down out the window.

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bad move on my driving? Like now you're thinking to

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yourself in your head, maybe I'm not a great driver

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for a second and then but you're not reacting anger.

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Speaker 5: Who's my point is? Is there a way to kind.

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Speaker 3: Of get the There is? But I think most people

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in the moment aren't gonna. I mean it's hard. Yeah,

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you know what, it takes less to do this than

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it does to do this. True, what have I got

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a rotator cuff problem?

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Speaker 4: Or when I'm driving at a Fairport they got that

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sign like the smiley face. If you do over like

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like five miles an hour, it gives you.

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Speaker 3: The mad face.

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Speaker 5: I feel bad, but I will tell you I'm speeding.

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Speaker 4: I gotta slow down.

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing. I feel bad.

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Speaker 3: So it does that on two point fifty coming into

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Fairport and thirty one coming into Fairport and I or

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is that thirty one f I can never I always

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have to slow down, so I get the smiley face.

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Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Today I was a little freaked out because the car

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behind me pulls out and it wasn't raining, or maybe

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it was lightly raining, and their winshel wipers are going

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on high and I'm thinking did something break on their

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car because they're I could see it on my roof

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view and they're right on my bumper. And especially when

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I came up to that sign, I'm doing thirty nine,

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I go, I don't want to get the front I

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don't want to get the front face right right, jam

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on the brakes almost and that guy was practically in

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the back seat. But I'm like, you know this right

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speed limits thirty safe. You're right, that's a that's a

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fair point. Like does that have a bigger impact thumbs

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down versus the middle finger?

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Speaker 2: Well, that kind of goes towards. One of the things

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I always try to tell the boys is, you know,

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Luke is like a superhero, right he goes in He

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always tries to help people. That's his thing. And Luke's

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a tough kid, but he's a teenager. And my whole

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thing was he would be he would go help someone,

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he would get in trouble, and it's like, no, you

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have to understand what the authority is. You have to

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understand what the process and the structure is, and then

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you got to use that to achieve whatever it is.

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You're trying to do, but trying to help somebody, you

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can't necessarily jump in and then beat the person upright,

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beating the other person up, because then you're the one

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who's gonna get in trouble. You go to you want

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to stop it, you want to prevent it, but you

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also then want to call the authorities. You have to

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go to the authoritative figure in school, it's you know, teacher, principal, whoever,

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when you're out in the general community, you down that

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one to one, right, Like, that's what you do. And

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he's like, I don't want to call the cops because

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I don't want to get in trouble from the cops.

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I'm like, quote, they're the ones who are going to

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help him protect you. That's what the process. That's what

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you have to do, exactly, and as long as you're

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not doing things wrong, you shouldn't worry about it. Now,

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him being multi racial, I think he probably has certain sensitivities,

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but you know, it's like, look, that's what you have

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to do. You have to become comfortable and trust that process.

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And now with him being away from school, one of

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the things did I tell you the story about he

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was at school for about forty five minutes. We're we're

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driving back home. I don't have my phone on. I

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get home and I look at my phone and I

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get a text from Luke. Hey, Dad, I walked into

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a glass door and broke up my lip. And I'm thinking,

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oh my god, who did he piss off? In forty

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five minutes?

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Speaker 3: What you know?

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Speaker 2: What happened? Well, he was walking out the door and

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went to push the door bar. But the doorbar wasn't

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the bar that opens the door. It was a lever

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and he just pushed it and then kept walking. The

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door didn't open, ran right into he goes. I wish

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him for something else. I could tell you that happened,

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but it's not it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'd be more proud of me if

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I got into a fight.

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Speaker 3: How many times have you seen that? After though, Oh

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my god, right, we've done it.

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Speaker 4: I've run into a glass door before, I tell you myself,

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I have.

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Speaker 2: I really prepared my son to go to school, right,

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that's the scary part. What are you gonna do.

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Speaker 5: Forty five minutes into his college career?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it happens. That's that's just it's what happens.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think he prepared the kids. What

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is it like now? Are you feeling uneasy? Do you

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have like you know, are you lost in a why?

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, you know, I text you earlier

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to yay. I'm like, am I overly emotionally dependent on

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having my kids around me? Because with Will being gone?

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Will went to take his girlfriend back to college. So

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I'm this is like, I'm alone now, and I'm like,

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I feel, you know, lonely.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna I've got two dogs.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I should feel lonely. The ox is.

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Speaker 3: Always like, yeah, you like having people around and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I was just like holy shit.

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And then I'm like, wow, am I overly dependent? I've

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become too dependent on my kids?

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Speaker 3: I texted you to I go, I just love them, right,

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you just love them?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: But every I have, every parent I've talked to who

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has all their kids have gone on and let they

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have that same feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so it's been you know, it's it's different.

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It's a whole different mindset for me. Well, I text Greg.

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Speaker 3: And said, do something that you can't do when the

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boys around, and I was gonna say, now you can

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walk around naked, skinny, dip in your pool. But I

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go that maybe a little too much. So I just

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said to do what I you know what that is.

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I don't know what it is, but I'm like, those

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are the things you want to do. Yeah, enjoy the

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peace and quiet, stretch out, take a nap. Yeah, it's uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've always been going, going, going, Yeah, and

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when it hasn't been work, it's always been spending time

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with the kids and just doing stuff. So you know,

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today I worked out. I was doing work when we talked,

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and then I was getting done and I'm like, all right, now,

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normally I'll go down and I annoy the kids. We

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go outside and we'd play in the pool or do something,

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play corn hole or you know, we do something. But yeah,

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it was, uh, it's it's it's when it is an adjustment,

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that's an adjustment. I'm going to do the.

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Speaker 3: Adjustment in a week. The other way I got one

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around all the time.

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Speaker 5: Now the reverse reverse.

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Speaker 3: I want to call it isn't it is that way?

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Speaker 2: And I told Bill, knowing what that's like, and enjoy

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I enjoy that, I do, you know, I've i spent

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every weekend with my kids since they were born, because

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I was never one work to do sleepovers and stuff.

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It just wasn't my thing.

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Speaker 3: I you know, it's because you're Italian.

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Speaker 2: We don't do sleep I just don't. My mom didn't

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let it do it for me.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't do it. But we wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want me going over to people's houses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like, I want to see my kids.

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I'm work a lot, so I don't see them. I

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want to see them. So if I see him in

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a way, go to bed, I see him.

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Speaker 3: They wake up.

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Speaker 2: And so now when they'm calling them, like what the hell?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where are they at? I know it's it's quiet.

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Speaker 2: It's weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what given like three weeks yeah, right,

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or or by Thanksgiving when they come home and go,

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but god, I can't wat you guys leave.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny. It's funny, Bill because as

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throughout the summer with graduation parties and their friends and

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their girlfriends and all that. I mean, I was, I

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was like fourth on the pecking order in terms of priorities. Yeah,

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and I and I and I said to their mom,

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I was like, you know, this is I'm imagining what

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they're putting us through and her through. Now is kind

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of like when you were going through pregnancy in the

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sense that you were uncomfortable, you had all these things

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that kept you up. And you know how they say

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that prepares you for when they come. And then and I'm like,

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I'm like, they're so annoying. I was like, just get

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the hell out. Yeah, I never because I knew it

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was coming. But I was like, yeah, it's the same

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type of mindset that they have.

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Speaker 3: And now and now that it's happened, it's like, shit, yeah,

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well this is time. This is your time, man. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and football season coming, so you know when Luke

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playing football down Alfred Will at Penn State, the Bills,

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I've got, you know, football every weekend from Nabsville Love Valentine's.

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You're booked. It's all good, it'll be fun.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We watched the preseason last night. I'll tell you that

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Mitch Trubisky scares me a little bit. Oh he did

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not look good at all. But there were a couple

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guys I thought because I thought Russeau played pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only in for like eleven like pressures on.

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Speaker 5: Seven a half six, Hey, what do you been the

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last year?

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Speaker 2: Davis? I thought looked great. Yeah, I mean I really did.

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Speaker 3: He ran a nice cut.

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Speaker 2: I think we talked about this act during camp time,

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but I thought Ray Davis during camp was probably the

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really displayed himself as this is the solid draft picked

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that they picked him at. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The problem with Ray Davis during camp is they put

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the ball on the ground four times in two weeks, right,

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So that's kind of like, come on, man. And he

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had a great run in the Red and Blue scrimmage

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in Buffalo. It was like the second play was in,

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he had like a sixty five yard run. But at

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the end of the play I can't remember who was

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came from behind him knocked the ball out and I

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was like, come on, we already have a.

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Speaker 3: Guy for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you already had two for that single pair

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we dumped. Yeah, and now he started for the Giants,

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you know, and Moss was the same thing, and you know,

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it's like, come on, so but he held the ball

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yesterday he played well, you know, disappointing and cook a

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little bit. But but the person that disappointed me the most,

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the person that actually gave me a lot of pause

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because I had to rewatch it when we were at

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the at at our friend's event, and so I had

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to rewatch it the person that gave me the pause,

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and I'm and I'm I'm concerned. Is Kean g me

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that ball in the A zone?

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Speaker 3: He did, but it looked like it was just out

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of his reach.

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Speaker 2: This is my this is my thing, and you could.

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I watched that probably ten times because what he didn't

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do is he didn't extend. He had alligator arms. Now,

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I think if he ran across the field deeper into

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the safety, if he took two more strides towards the safety,

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it would have been a fifty to fifty battle of

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him in the safety. But in that slot where Trubisky

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threw it, he could have gotten his head ripped off,

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which he almost did, but he didn't. Even it was

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alligator arms. It was a bad throw. I didn't know

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a lot of that was a bad throw.

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Speaker 3: When I first saw it and I saw him sort of,

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it looked like he reached back.

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Speaker 2: Did he reach back? Well, what was high? Yeah? It

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was high in a little to the center of the field,

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which is the difference between a number one quarterback who's

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a top ten guy, who's his second string or a

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you know, bottom twenty twenty five there. So that was

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the one thing. And but you know, if if if

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they can identify that's what he can't do, then you

470
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just put him the situation right rather than running that slant,

471
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run him to the corner, run the post corner and

472
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get him high. Get because keon kN knocket. And if

473
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you watch the way he ran the route, it was

474
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one of the worst route runs. I mean he didn't

475
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even he didn't drive left and plant and then come

476
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back hard. He took like a quick stutter step and

477
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then came back. It's like, come on, man, the guys

478
00:20:20,079 --> 00:20:23,119
in guys in Division III football, due that's move you

479
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,400
gotta you gotta drive and then you gotta come off,

480
00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,319
create the separation and then and then get it. He

481
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,720
didn't do that, which that that that in combination of

482
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how I went to catch the ball. It's like, look,

483
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,039
if that's not if he can't run that route, put

484
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the ball high man hes separation.

485
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Speaker 5: When you watch.

486
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Speaker 3: It, when you watch it again, you have nobody to

487
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,480
yell out of the house an he wore Is it

488
00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:45,039
just the dog?

489
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Speaker 2: What is he doing well, I'm doing that even if

490
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they're not in the house.

491
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Speaker 3: We're at somebody's engagement. They're having a little gathering for

492
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their engagement last night, and we're watching the game and

493
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his Tony Filets just wonderful and Mary Allen and he's

494
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,960
just this beautiful woman. They're getting they're engaged, and he's

495
00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:12,079
watching the game and will every once in a while

496
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you hear Greg kind of get pipe up all of

497
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,640
a sudden, like, come on, and we'll go.

498
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Speaker 2: Jack, break it down, bring it, bring it down. I

499
00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:21,400
would never we were at a bar. We were at

500
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a bar. I could never tell my upstairs and we

501
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,160
were at the bar. We're at Barbelle, and you know,

502
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,640
and there's other people there who we don't know, and

503
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he's just like, this is so embarrassing. I mean, it's

504
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like he just he's so funny. That's just me, man.

505
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Speaker 4: I don't even ninety of the people in that bar

506
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:39,799
are thinking the same thing.

507
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Speaker 3: Well, they were upstairs. We were upstairs at an event.

508
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So people well, there were a lot of Dallas cowboy

509
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,759
fans there because Greg brings out some cowboys hat right,

510
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,720
excuse me, Buffalo Bill's hats and shirts and stuff. And

511
00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:56,200
this one young woman wanted one, and then her boyfriend.

512
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Speaker 2: Or her fiance, her daughter, her daughter's fiance. No boys,

513
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,559
not in our house.

514
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Speaker 4: There's a viral picture going around. I retweeted it of

515
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:12,079
two guys going to college. I don't know what college

516
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are going to. Their roommates, the freshmen they just met.

517
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,160
One's a Michigan fan, one's an Ohio State fan. They

518
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,680
both have huge flags over their bed. And this guy rights,

519
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:24,319
this is not gonna go well.

520
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Speaker 2: School either one of the state, either one of I

521
00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:34,519
gotta look it up, but they do Northwestern. Yeah, okay,

522
00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:40,119
that's oh my gosh, Yeah, that's mundy. That's hilarious. We'll

523
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take a moment. We're going to talk to uh.

524
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Speaker 3: There was a whole whole bunch of stuff happening in

525
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the city, but the idea of bail reform, and a

526
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nineteen year old girl died as a result of a shooting.

527
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She was not the intended target, became a target. And

528
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Frank Imbrino is the is an our captain, and he's

529
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going to talk to us, and I think we're going

530
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to have to say from the beginning that these are

531
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Frank's opinions, not the opinion of the Rochester Police Department. Yeah,

532
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,279
you know, he and I have talked about that already,

533
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So we'll give him a call and just kind of

534
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:18,319
get into this because he was quoted in a local

535
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,799
article about this, and just as to what bail reform

536
00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:27,079
was supposed to be and what it's kind of become

537
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,920
seems to be two different things. And we'll get his

538
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on that.

539
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Speaker 2: And with you as a lawyer here too, And I

540
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know that's not.

541
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Speaker 3: The law you practice, but I think you would be

542
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familiar with that kind of stuff.

543
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be along another graveyard ship. As he says

584
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:55,279
goodbye to his wife and kids. It's been his live,

585
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:03,440
just like his dad, having a way under the weight

586
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,400
to the badge. George straight the way to the badge.

587
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Speaker 3: And I think the beginning of the video they show

588
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,599
New York State troopers. Oh really yeah, I think showing

589
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in the video you realize how.

590
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Speaker 4: Big George strait is in parts of the country, Yes,

591
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,759
like Texas and Tennessee.

592
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 5: No, he's huge.

593
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Speaker 3: Frank Lombrino is a captain with the Rochester Police Department.

594
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He was quoted in an article about the shooting in

595
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a Beechwood neighborhood. But what we talk about a lot,

596
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and we've talked about a lot, and we've had different

597
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,240
law enforcement on to talk about bail reform. So in

598
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,559
twenty nineteen, New York ended the use of money bail

599
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and jail for most cases involving misdemeanors and lower level feltings.

600
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Speaker 2: And the idea was.

601
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Speaker 3: More that people have jobs, what's the point of incarcerating them,

602
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And it sort of it seemed if you had the means,

603
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you could get out of jail, if you didn't have

604
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the means you could, So they were trying to even

605
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the playing field and focus more on the crimes. From

606
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what I understand, and I think this law, I don't

607
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even know that everybody fully understands it who has to

608
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,160
implement it, But I think this law has been changed

609
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,079
three times since twenty twenty when it went into effect

610
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in January of twenty twenty. And I think they've even

611
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,720
now tried to carve out some things where there are

612
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:17,000
cases where you can hold somebody for bail, but I

613
00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:20,720
don't understand how in the Beechwood case, from what I'm

614
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:25,400
reading the shooting, these are almost seems like at nineteen,

615
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,000
it's hard to say that somebody has a career as

616
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,559
a criminal, but they seem to be career criminals and

617
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,039
with more on that is. Frank Lombrino, Good afternoon, captain.

618
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Speaker 2: How are you.

619
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Speaker 6: I'm good, guys, how you doing doing well?

620
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Speaker 3: Great? Connors from Connors and Ferris is in here as well.

621
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And Dan Burrillo, who is part of the podcast on

622
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,720
a regular basis and has done radio with me for

623
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,640
many years over time. But can you talk a little

624
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,599
bit about this because I think in the article you

625
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,440
even said that the family of the nineteen year old

626
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,359
is pissed is the word you used over the fact

627
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,279
that these guys who have had I think they've been

628
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,400
out on illegal possession charges before. I think there was

629
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also burglary. I think there might have been an assault

630
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,440
on one of these on a record of one of

631
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the young men. I don't know if you can kind

632
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:13,720
of speak to that.

633
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,839
Speaker 6: Sure, well, you know I ken say, is both of

634
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these guys, they were both twenty one years old. They

635
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,720
both had multiple prior flony convictions already, and like I

636
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,039
think I had mentioned, it's not easy in New York

637
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,640
State to get a felony conviction, and for these guys

638
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,000
to have at least two felony convictions already at the

639
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:36,480
young age of twenty one is super impressive, you know,

640
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,440
when speaking about one of the defenders, mister Horton, he

641
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,960
had been incarcerated, he'd been in prison for a short

642
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,799
period of time. When he was in prison, he got

643
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,359
arrested at least a couple different times for assaulting other inmates.

644
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Yet he was still paroled while he was on parole.

645
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He actually, and this is what is really aggravating, nineteen

646
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,960
days before mass Isaac got shot and killed needlessly, he

647
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,599
got locked up on a stolen moped by his parole officers,

648
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,920
driving the long way down a one way street in

649
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,759
the city of Rochester.

650
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Speaker 2: The reason that violated his parole doing.

651
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Speaker 6: That absolutely, I mean, he violated the law and he

652
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,680
was violating his parole. Now it's important to note that

653
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,839
you know, the reason that parole and the RPD officers

654
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720
were targeting him, if you will, is because they knew

655
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that he was involved in a bunch of bad stuff,

656
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,319
shootings and everything else. So they were targeting him, they

657
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,559
were watching him. They catch him right handed on a

658
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,720
stolen bike, charge him, put him in jail, and you know,

659
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,359
less than twenty four hours he's out of jail. And

660
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,079
you know, to me, that's disgusting. Clearly he violated his parole.

661
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:45,920
Clearly he should have been locked up and at least

662
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,480
held for a little while. Was twenty four hours, and

663
00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:53,519
yet he's out on the streets and ends up killing innocent,

664
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beautiful young girl and seriously wounds two young men.

665
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Speaker 3: Why is it then? Because of the judge and from

666
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what I've read and I tried to do some research

667
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880
to have a little bit of an understanding of the law,

668
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:10,759
it sounds like there are cases that you can hold

669
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,799
people with bail and the criteria is met by these

670
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:15,599
two young guys.

671
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in addition, they also, you know, mister

672
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,720
Horten also had a benchmark in history. Now, who is

673
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,799
eligible for bail? Who is not eligible for bail? Honestly,

674
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,880
I have no idea anymore. People talk about it, and

675
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,440
you see some guys getting locked up on gun charges

676
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,599
and they got a decent amount of bail set. You

677
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,839
got other guys getting locked up on gun chargers and

678
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,079
the judges releasing them on their own recognisance.

679
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: So these are our opinions, yes, yes, yes, nothing to

680
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,119
do with I mean, it's like, here's my opinion, your

681
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,559
opinion and the officer's opinion is is that's what we

682
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,680
think there's no you know, the police department, in the

683
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:58,319
DA's office, they make decisions that affect their areas, and

684
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,119
the judges, you know, I mean his frustration for me,

685
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:08,240
I feel myself, and it's like, what's the The law

686
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,559
is written and it's supposed to be interpreted as black

687
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:13,440
and white, yes, but there's so much gray that goes

688
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440
into it, and he's even talking about how that gray is.

689
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,680
And so these are our opinions, not not necessarily policies

690
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,799
of in the individual Organization's unfair. I think that's probably

691
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,319
I think, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you on that.

692
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:26,079
I just wanted to No.

693
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's in You're one hundred percent right. I'm

694
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,920
not here to talk about what the actual law says.

695
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:32,960
What I'm here to say is I see them both.

696
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,240
So that leads me to believe the a lot of

697
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,279
it is a judge's discretion. If you've got some guys

698
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,000
getting bail set and other guys getting released on the

699
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:43,000
road and recognizance on the same charges, then you know,

700
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:46,839
not any happily intelligent person would say, yeah, I think

701
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,119
that's not the judge.

702
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: Frank, how many years have you been in uniform?

703
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Speaker 6: Thirty two years.

704
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: Thirty two years.

705
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,839
Speaker 6: Actually it'll be thirty two in November.

706
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: The thank you, Yeah, so thirty two years.

707
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,279
Speaker 3: This law changes in theory, in theory, would you agree

708
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,640
with the law and and how? Was explained to me

709
00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:10,880
by Mayor Evans a long time ago, was if somebody

710
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,640
steals a pack of gum, we don't want to prevent

711
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,519
them from missing work and not being able to meet

712
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,039
the rent or being around family. And the idea was,

713
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:25,119
I think that if you let low level offenders, nonviolent misdemeanor,

714
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:29,240
low level felonies out, that you would have the family

715
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:34,039
support and they usually I don't know how they study

716
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,279
this stuff, but I thought it was they were less

717
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,440
likely to be repeat offenders.

718
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: That was the.

719
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,119
Speaker 6: Less Yes, So the theory is theory is great. That

720
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,160
you know, we don't want anybody sitting in jail for

721
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,279
stealing a pack of gum. So if they steal a

722
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,680
pack of gum every day, that's another story.

723
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,079
Speaker 2: Right, gotcha?

724
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Yes, with a fresh breath. But I don't understand. So,

725
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720
so what happens, because if this is at the judges discretion,

726
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,200
as you're saying, some are in somewhere out like these

727
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,480
two guys seem to meet the criteria of the law

728
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:08,759
as it's written, with the changes and the carve outs

729
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,279
that have been made to since twenty twenty, they seem

730
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,720
to have me and met all the criteria to be

731
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:15,319
held in jail on bail.

732
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,079
Speaker 6: And yet well, yeah, the one different thing with mister

733
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:22,200
Horton is when we talk about less is more, let's

734
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,200
forget bat reform for a minute. Less is more. There

735
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,799
was certain parole reforms that were put in a place

736
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,240
with lesss more. Now, I'm not a parole officer, and

737
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,319
you know, I can't tell you all the intricate details

738
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,240
about it, but what I can tell you is, prior

739
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,240
to less is more being passed, I think it was

740
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:41,000
maybe March of twenty twenty two. Prior to that, you

741
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,720
get a poole lee on a violation, he's going to

742
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,680
get held in custody until he is appears before a

743
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,440
parle judge or administrator, whatever you want to call them.

744
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,519
Because less is more. Somebody that gets picked up on

745
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,799
a parole violation, they have to appear before either a

746
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,960
city or county courtyard, depending on what day of the

747
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480
week they get arrested, within twenty four hours, and that

748
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:07,240
city or county court judge then says whether or not

749
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,519
they get held on that parle violation. So that's a

750
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,639
huge change, unless it's more that a lot of people

751
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,360
don't know about it.

752
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,159
Speaker 3: So it's got to be within twenty four hours.

753
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, for for a violation, for you know,

754
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,960
we say a technical violation, and you know, we can

755
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:24,639
argue this all day long, right, but is.

756
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: There a chance that don't think there's no room for

757
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,039
that for a judgment, is that they don't have their

758
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,000
dockets are full, that they're not going to be able

759
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:34,719
to see somebody within that twenty four hour or is

760
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,519
that or am I no?

761
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 6: They they have to. That's why it's either county, coart

762
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,000
or city court has said beliast seven days a week now.

763
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,679
Speaker 2: So they'll they'll adapt, they'll adopt to that, and they'll

764
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,679
have court administration that will take care of it. And

765
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,880
you know, one of the things this is again this

766
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,320
is just my perception of how things go within the

767
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,840
legal system, is that when you judges have discretion, okay,

768
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:01,960
and when you give someone discretion their own life experiences

769
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,079
and their own life objectives or ideals of things. You know,

770
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:10,519
some people would say political ideologies and whatnot influence way

771
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,400
they make their decisions. I see it on my side

772
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320
what I do all the time. I mean, it's like,

773
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,039
it's it's unbelievable to think that you can have the

774
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,840
same law and one judge can make one decision and

775
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,320
very similar, if not identical facts. Another judge can make

776
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,440
a completely different decision. The law gives them that ability

777
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,360
to do that. To me, is that that's what's inconsistent

778
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,920
with why the law was written.

779
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 3: It's interesting as you're saying that, I'm thinking of the

780
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,280
Supreme Court not to drift off into here, but no,

781
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,519
it's true why we have so many judges then writing

782
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:45,960
the decisions and deciding what's going to happen, because not

783
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,320
everybody sees everything the same.

784
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Way, right, And that's why there's always an odd number

785
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,159
when it comes to those appellate rights. And oftentimes when

786
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:58,239
you see those decisions written, it's got political, ideological, you know,

787
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,800
tentacles to it. Yeah, and it's not that it's politics.

788
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,159
Is that people have a mindset of how things should

789
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,280
go in society in different things, and it's unfortunate when

790
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,559
it comes to situations like what he's talking about, just

791
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,159
you know, somebody needlessly lost their life. Yeah, well see then.

792
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,679
Speaker 3: It's like, why that's the thing? And Frank, I almost

793
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:21,280
feel like it's got to be. Is it harder today

794
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,159
to do your job?

795
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you have no idea. And I couldn't.

796
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,360
I couldn't sit here and articulate in the ways in

797
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,039
which it's harder today than it was even five or

798
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,840
ten years ago. They've made it almost impossible, you know.

799
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,519
And when you talk about parole before of a probation

800
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,360
or this or that, I can pay it. In the

801
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,039
last five years, probably one in every four cases where

802
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,199
we've made an arrest the suspect has been on some

803
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,039
type of supervisor release. The fact, I think the exact

804
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,239
number is like twenty seven percent, you know, and that's

805
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,760
going back in the last five years, and that's a

806
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,239
big number.

807
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 3: It's a big number. It feels like the number of

808
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,599
people committing the crimes that we hear about that make

809
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,840
the headlines of du La is pretty small compared to

810
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,519
the rest of the city. But I also feel like,

811
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,199
I remember somebody was in here and I forget who was.

812
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:16,119
They were trying to talk to Alney about bail reform

813
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:20,199
and what this means and this person is a surgeon

814
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,480
and he sees the bullet wounds come in and the

815
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:26,119
shootings and the victims right, and he's And they said

816
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,519
that they went out on the streets of Rochester and

817
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:31,480
they knocked on doors asking people, you know, do you

818
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,519
want more police or less police?

819
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: More?

820
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: And everybody on the street was like, more police. We

821
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:39,599
want to feel safe in our neighborhoods. That's the majority.

822
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,480
So it's the minority. It's a minority portion of the

823
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,000
city that's committing these crimes. But man, it is it's scary,

824
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,360
and it's hard to police when all of a sudden,

825
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,800
here's a guy who's out and out again and out again,

826
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:53,519
and I almost feel like, you know, it's that that

827
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,159
thing my mother used to say, if I give you

828
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,960
an inch, you're going to take a mile, right, I

829
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,920
mean at the same time, yeah, same kind of mentality

830
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,280
when nothing's being done. And I got to think that

831
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,639
I'll just ask you this. You don't have to necessarily answer.

832
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,599
How many police officers are just like, forgive my friends,

833
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,039
fucking I'm done. I can't do this.

834
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and again, we can go off in

835
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:19,599
a million different directions here, but you know, police officers

836
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,039
are not afraid of getting shot, right, Yeah, I mean

837
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:24,920
that's certainly we know that that's a risk that we

838
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,639
take when when we swore the old we understand that

839
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,599
that's not their biggest fear today. Their biggest fear is

840
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,159
doing the job that we want them to do and

841
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,159
that the community needs them to do, and then getting

842
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,079
second guests and now they're up on trial or they're

843
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:42,639
getting land based in social media. And you know, the

844
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,400
example that I like to give sometimes is there's a

845
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,480
car in front of me. Okay, I'm working in uniform.

846
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:49,639
There's a car in front of me. I know that

847
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,880
there's at least one or two guns in that car,

848
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,719
and there are a bunch of gang bangers, right, whether

849
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,679
it's because I just saw them on social media two

850
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,519
minutes ago, I know one hundred percent there's a gun

851
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:02,119
in that car. Now the car turns right. If I

852
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,639
turn right and I pull that car over, you know,

853
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,400
there's probably a fifty to fifty shot that I'm going

854
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,920
to get in a shootout, right, and that that somebody's

855
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,480
going to end up getting killed. And I'm willing to

856
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,320
take that chance that I'm going to win that fight.

857
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:19,480
But you know, what I'm not willing to do, and

858
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,960
I'm willing to put my family through what's going to

859
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,480
happen the next you know, six months, two years, while

860
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,880
everybody's second guess is what occurred? You know, that's that's

861
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,159
the fear that guys have. And you've still got guys

862
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:32,960
out there busting their bus doing the job, and you've

863
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,199
got guys turning right and pulling that car over. But

864
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,599
anybody who says there isn't you know some guys that

865
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:39,639
are like, you know what, it's not worth putting my life,

866
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,280
in my family's life on the line when I know

867
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,599
that I'm going to lock this guy up and he's

868
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,760
going to get let out tomorrow anyways, you know, and

869
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,239
they turn left. You know, it's it's a sad, sad,

870
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,880
scary time that we live in right now. And all

871
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,960
these things were passed with good intention, but there's a

872
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,079
lot of other ramifications that people did not think through.

873
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,679
People did not get input from who they should have

874
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,199
got input from before they pass these policies. You know,

875
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,719
on bail reform is the same thing. Nobody thinks, there's no

876
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480
police officer you're going to find it, says somebody that

877
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:12,760
steals a pack of gum should be held in jail

878
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,039
for thirty days, sixty days, or a year. Nobody's going

879
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,719
to say that, right, But you're also also you get

880
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,639
locked up for a gun that there needs to be

881
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,039
at least a cool off period for God's sakes, right,

882
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:25,119
you know, at least more than twenty four hours that

883
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:29,280
you're being held. You know, people have good most people

884
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,039
have good intentions. They're just not educated enough. And it's

885
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,920
not through any fault of their own because they're getting

886
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,079
bad information. They don't understand the ramifications of some of

887
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:39,119
these things that have been jammed, you know, down our

888
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,079
throats the last couple of years.

889
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you almost, And I don't know.

890
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure some politicians have done rhinolongs and things,

891
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:50,559
but it's the closest thing I can think to walking

892
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,639
in your shoes to see.

893
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that doesn't happen very often.

894
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure they don't.

895
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 6: You know, they don't do that very often. And you know,

896
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,599
I'd like to know who they talked to when they

897
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,159
come up with some of these crazy ideas, because it

898
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,440
seems like everything that happens in New York State is

899
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,039
done for suspects and for the bad guys. They don't

900
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,559
do anything for victims or for victims families. I can't

901
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,320
think of one piece of legislation that's been passed, you know,

902
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,440
in the last bunch of years it's done anything for

903
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,000
victims or their families.

904
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: What do you say to the what do you say

905
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,000
to officers when they you know, as they're dealing with

906
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:29,440
this kind of stuff. What support is there? Because you're right,

907
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,039
I mean social media. Now, whether you're an athlete, right,

908
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,320
we can rip on somebody dropped the pass in the

909
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,800
game and we can get right to their person in

910
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,119
their pocket and let them know how we feel. But

911
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,519
you can do the same thing with someone who's trying

912
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,880
to keep the community safe. And you know, we could

913
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,119
point out all the things that the person who maybe

914
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:52,840
now is seen as the victim, broke the law in

915
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,639
so many different circumstances, in so many different ways, and

916
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:57,960
they go, hey, this was a bad person we didn't

917
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,920
want on the streets. And yet now now it's you know,

918
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,280
they're victimized. We shouldn't have we, you know, I mean,

919
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,679
I'm thinking of a case right here in the city

920
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:10,679
of Rochester where there was somebody high on PCP running

921
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,119
around jumping and all of a sudden, you know, there's

922
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,280
an arrest and the person winds up because of the drugs.

923
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: Dying. And yet boy, there was a I think hell the.

924
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 6: Peg for that, Yeah, there was, there was. And you know,

925
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,280
again there's people who aren't properly informed and don't know

926
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,960
all the facts that are jumping to conclusions. And you know, unfortunately,

927
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,599
there's a certain segment of the community, in a small segment,

928
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,880
who hates the police. They hate anything the police do,

929
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,000
and the police they are never going to do anything

930
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:42,480
right in their eyes. And we know who those people are, right,

931
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,199
that's the small percentage of people that live in our community.

932
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,679
The vast majority of people support the police, need the police,

933
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,639
love the police. But you know, those people go to

934
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:54,280
work every day, they actually have jobs, they have families,

935
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,239
and you know, they can't be as active on social

936
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,840
media as that small percentage are. Who are the haters

937
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,320
always will be the haters. And you know, as far

938
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,360
as to your question, how do you motivate you know,

939
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,360
the officers to do their job. You know, it's certainly challenging,

940
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,280
but they you know, and most of our officers they

941
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,679
plug along. They know that they have a job to do.

942
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,960
They know that the community needs them and if the

943
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,159
community wants them to do their job. You know, I'll

944
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:20,920
never forget when I was in the in the vice squad,

945
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,719
we were doing you know, we would do search warks

946
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,400
on gating houses all the time, right, and it was

947
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
a thankless job. But what made it worth it is

948
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,440
when we're pulling away in the raid van and you

949
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,000
see the old lady behind her blinds, sneaking, sneaking a

950
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,280
peek and giving us the thumbs up because she had

951
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,000
to live next to that drug house, right, And we're filthy, dirty,

952
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,960
disgusting from searching this nasty house next door. But then

953
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,559
we see the old lady peeking her head out the

954
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:46,440
window giving us the thumbs up, and we're like, shit,

955
00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,320
that's why we do the job, right, And and that's

956
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,519
what guys have to remember that are out there every day.

957
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you like to see done happen with

958
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,159
bail reform? And I don't even know if if you

959
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,679
can answer that, but what would you like if you

960
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,800
could see happy with a lot like that?

961
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 6: They they got to start from scratch again. I think

962
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,800
there was good intentions and there may have been a

963
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,840
few good things in bail reform, you know. But if

964
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,679
you want to get specific, you know, the first thing

965
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,639
is you get caught with a gun, you get caught

966
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:14,760
right handed with a gun, you got to get held,

967
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,519
you know, at least for a week or two weeks

968
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,599
or something, you know, because there needs to be a

969
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,400
coup op period. And that goes the same thing with

970
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,320
these guys in the prole violations. That makes it feel like.

971
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: So much sense because I'd be like, you have to

972
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,159
wait forever to like get a gun permit, right, but

973
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,880
they're going to let you back out after you give it.

974
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,360
A crime allegedly with a gun, Well, shouldn't be this, listen.

975
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 6: One interesting thing, Yeah, one interesting thing.

976
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,559
Speaker 7: Is everybody talks about your gun laws and we need

977
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:40,519
more gun laws, this and that. We don't need more

978
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,079
gun laws. We have to enforce the laws that are

979
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,480
currently on the books. You can pass any law you want.

980
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,360
If somebody breaks it and they're out of jail the

981
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,280
next day, what.

982
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 6: Good is the law doing? And you know, and I've

983
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,400
been up in homicide I don't know ten twelve years

984
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,760
and throughout my career, I think I've had one murder

985
00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:02,400
was committed with a legal handgun. And that's you know,

986
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,840
probably don't know a thousand murders and that was maybe,

987
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,119
I think two years ago on Hudson Avenue, you know,

988
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,920
other than and maybe a few domestics sprinkled through here

989
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,119
and there. But you know, one street crime, street murder

990
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:16,199
that was committed with the legal handguns out of a thousand,

991
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,039
that's not the problem.

992
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of and a lot of people

993
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,199
in some of those communities have the illegal guns for

994
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,480
protection right right, the not the ones that are using

995
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:31,880
them to be more on the offensive side of it.

996
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,119
They're there for the defensive side of it because of

997
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,360
what's going on in their next to the next door neighbors.

998
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,159
And and you know, if you begin to as soon

999
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,039
as those people begin to feel more confident or comfortable

1000
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,159
in terms of the enforcement of the law that those

1001
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:48,199
who aren't have bad intentions can't get access to it

1002
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,880
or the access and there's those gonna be the black market,

1003
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,639
that there is some enforcement and that they're going to

1004
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:56,639
be held accountable for those decisions, then I think you

1005
00:45:56,679 --> 00:46:00,119
start to see probably an erosion of people who are

1006
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,519
doing it for protection reasons that don't have the aggressive

1007
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:06,840
side of it. And that's probably The single biggest threshold

1008
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,719
issue I see from the outside looking in to what

1009
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,880
the police have to deal with is that side of it.

1010
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:14,719
And when you have more guns out there, it's easier

1011
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,000
for them, those who have bad intentions to get them. Yes,

1012
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:19,079
it is. Well, it used to be.

1013
00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: I thought that they would even tell you, like you

1014
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,159
could find a gun. Guys would throw it in waste

1015
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:26,960
baskets or something on a street corner and let someone

1016
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,760
else know that the gun was there. It was almost

1017
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,159
like a neighborhood I don't know if it's the neighborhood gun.

1018
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,760
That sounds silly, but I mean, right, I mean I

1019
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,360
thought that was. I thought that was part of the

1020
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,519
case in the city of Rochester. I remember hearing that

1021
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:39,199
or reading that.

1022
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,159
Speaker 4: Martin case where the gun actually traveled to several different things.

1023
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other the thing that's so uh, just

1024
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:48,559
kind of disturbing, is it. I've never and this is

1025
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,480
where I feel like I live in a bubble. I

1026
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,679
never felt like I needed protection of any kind.

1027
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,079
Speaker 2: So I'm the same way. But you know, my youngest

1028
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:03,639
son is multiracial and he living in Pittsburgh, felt like

1029
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,239
he needed to carry like he's you know, he loves

1030
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,960
to hunt. But he carried a knife, not a gun,

1031
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,039
but a knife. And I'm like, you're in Pittsburgh, what

1032
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:14,000
the hell you need a knife for.

1033
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:15,039
Speaker 3: You don't need a knife.

1034
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,039
Speaker 2: And he was like, well, Dad, need I need to

1035
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:19,360
be protected because there's a lot of white kids here

1036
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,119
that don't like black people. And I'm like, yeah, but

1037
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,800
that's what you have, the authorities for something happens, then

1038
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,880
you call the cops, you call your parents. You know,

1039
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,280
that's the whole thing about the authoritative structure we're talking

1040
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,400
about earlier. But he that's the way he felt, and

1041
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,679
he grew up with me, his entire life, eighteen years

1042
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,039
with me. You're right.

1043
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean that sort of gives you a good insight

1044
00:47:41,519 --> 00:47:43,199
to the mentality of I feel like I need this

1045
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,000
to protect myself.

1046
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: But that's his mentality and he lives out here. Yes,

1047
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
I mean, the kids that are in the city, that mentality,

1048
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,079
I can't even imagine how amplified.

1049
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 6: Amplify a big time.

1050
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then their parents.

1051
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,559
Speaker 6: What they say today, what these guys say now is

1052
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:58,679
I'd rather get caught with the gun than without a gun.

1053
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Heard that?

1054
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,679
Speaker 3: Wow, that's it. Yeah, And perspective assured it. That's exactly

1055
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,440
it is, exactly when they do the gun buybacks, Captain,

1056
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:15,400
when they do you know, I know he's laughing, But

1057
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,559
I've seen these like gun by Back and I'm always

1058
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:19,679
amazed because on the news they show you a stockpilot

1059
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:21,719
of we got an arsenal in the city.

1060
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: How how do you you don't know who's got one?

1061
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 4: Who doesn't free haircuts and pancakes for your goods?

1062
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying. But that's what it is.

1063
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:31,199
And really is that enough incentive? Give me one, I

1064
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:35,480
get a light, but fifty dollars Walmart gift card for

1065
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:39,719
a gun? But yet you seem it seems like people

1066
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,519
do come out of the woodwork with guns. And if

1067
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,639
that's a portion of what was that like one percent

1068
00:48:47,679 --> 00:48:50,400
of what's on the street, I mean, how many people

1069
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,199
I don't know.

1070
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 6: Let's put it this way. They have good intentions behind

1071
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,159
the gun by Back. Yes, I'm gonna leave my comment

1072
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,760
on that. Okay, you know the biggest thing is, you know,

1073
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,559
you know, go back five ten years ago, people did

1074
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,280
not want to get caught with a gun because they

1075
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,719
knew that they were going to they were going to

1076
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,719
be in jail for a decent amount of time. Right,

1077
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,079
even if they're being held pre trial and they knew

1078
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:16,519
that there was a chance they were going to if

1079
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,559
the Fed picked up the case, they're going away for

1080
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:20,840
five years to a federal prison. You know, if we

1081
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,079
would make and I'd like to think that I was

1082
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,000
more proactive in my younger days. If we made one

1083
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,039
gun the rest of the week, that was a lot, right,

1084
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:30,800
that was an achievement. Today you can go out and

1085
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,599
pretty much stop it. You know, any car, if you

1086
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:34,760
stop five cars, you're going to grab one of them.

1087
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,679
It's got a gun in it. And there's no fear

1088
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,280
for anybody getting caught with a gun today. And it's sad.

1089
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,000
And I can't tell you how many murders we've had

1090
00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:47,320
over the last several years where if they weren't carrying

1091
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,840
a gun, that the murder wouldn't have happen because they're

1092
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,159
getting bumped into when they're walking out of the diner

1093
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,400
on Monroe Avenue, or somebody looks at them wrong, or

1094
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,880
they you know what I mean, Because they happen to

1095
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,920
have a gun, they pull it out and they do

1096
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,239
something stupid. There's no fear of get caught with the gun. Anymore. Well,

1097
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:02,880
it's it's gone that.

1098
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: And as you're speaking, and I'm I'm you know, my

1099
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,239
thoughts are kind of racing in my head here, but

1100
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:16,119
I'm thinking about the lack of respect for life, almost

1101
00:50:16,119 --> 00:50:17,639
as those games.

1102
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 2: You're playing a video game, like these.

1103
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: People, when you're these this nineteen year old young woman,

1104
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,119
they got caught in the crossfire, I'll say, uh, is

1105
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,079
gone forever. And I don't know, does that register what

1106
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,599
is the psyche of the citizen, of the young citizen

1107
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:37,280
in the city that's committing these crimes. I it's really

1108
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,239
somewhat disturbing in a way, and you almost wish that

1109
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,400
how do you prevent Is there some sort of intervention

1110
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,320
early on? And I'm sure this is studied, and I

1111
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,679
know that there's been many attempts at different things, But boy,

1112
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:49,800
I always thought like what Roland Williams was doing in

1113
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,679
the city with the kids was building their self esteem

1114
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,760
and making them feel better about themselves that they didn't

1115
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,960
have to gravitate towards this kind of stuff.

1116
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't that's huge. That's it's a huge,

1117
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,639
and I think that's an important element of it. But

1118
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,599
then you know, again, the access to the gun, and

1119
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,079
then you know there's a there's a mental health component

1120
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:11,920
to it, right with compulsivities and you know all that.

1121
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,920
And then you have when you're under the age you know,

1122
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,159
i'll say twenty one and younger perhaps maybe nineteen twenty

1123
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,239
or younger, you don't you don't make decisions. You know,

1124
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,320
you get caught into that. You know, like he says,

1125
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,760
somebody bumps you, and then you're a man. You protect yourself.

1126
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,800
You got to show you're a man. All of a

1127
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,840
sudden you're making bad decision. Thirty seconds later there's another

1128
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,559
quick bad decision, and all of a sudden, these are

1129
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:33,880
these kids, lads are changed it.

1130
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: Like a first merge, right.

1131
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 6: You know, and make the same mistake twice right.

1132
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,679
Speaker 3: Number two? Right now there you go gone, Well though,

1133
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,360
no buy back with that wife by backing the wife

1134
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,000
fifty to Walmart.

1135
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:54,639
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1136
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 3: Did that work.

1137
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 6: But a couple of interesting points that you just made,

1138
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,320
and you made, you know, you know, programs like what

1139
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,559
Roland Williams what to do and getting to these kids

1140
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,039
when when they're a young age is critically important.

1141
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:09,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

1142
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 6: And you know one other thing where I'll say, there's

1143
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,360
a little bit of a disconnect. Your eighteen year old

1144
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,079
today is not the same eighteen year old of ten

1145
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,800
years ago. Their mentality, they are in the street world

1146
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,320
and eight you know, a sixteen, seventeen year old is

1147
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,840
you know, twenty five thirty years old. You know twenty

1148
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,159
years ago is starting younger and younger. And one of

1149
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,079
the things that's really frustrating for law enforcement, right and

1150
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,679
when we talk, let's say raise the age these kids

1151
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:40,639
are going to everybody. Every single kid makes a stupid mistake, right,

1152
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,679
why do we not make the same mistake again, such

1153
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:49,679
as getting married twice because there was well there was ramifications.

1154
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,039
You know, you're fifteen years old and you get caught

1155
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:55,480
steel on something. There was ramifications, right, so you're like, geez,

1156
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:58,000
I don't want to do that again. Right now, you

1157
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,280
have these fifteen sixteen year olds getting caught doing something

1158
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,440
i e. Stealing a car, and absolutely nothing happens to them. Okay,

1159
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,119
they get a they get in the police chase, they

1160
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,199
can crash, and what happens to these kids They get

1161
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:12,880
a piece of paper it shows them that tells them

1162
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,360
to show off back in court. They're not learning their lessons.

1163
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,440
So you know what happens and I've seen it time

1164
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:21,000
and time again. Today they're stealing a car. Tomorrow they're

1165
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:23,880
doing a car jacking. And then on Friday, guess what,

1166
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,119
they shot and killed the guy during a car jacking.

1167
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,039
And now, because we didn't intervene the first time that

1168
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,199
that kid got arrested with a stolen car, we did

1169
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,639
not intervene, We did not provide for him the services

1170
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:36,280
that he needs maybe to get his shit together, and

1171
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,599
now he's going to jail for murder and some innocent

1172
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,119
person is dead. And that's where our system today is

1173
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,039
broken down. We did you know, sometimes a fifteen or

1174
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:46,039
sixteen year old kid needs to get put away to

1175
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:48,039
Dreulie Albia for a week or two. And you know

1176
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,639
how many times parents have pulled us take this kid,

1177
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,639
take him and put him away. He needs to learn

1178
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,480
a lesson, and we got to tell the parents sorry,

1179
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,119
We got to give him a parents ticket. Here you go.

1180
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,119
We are not helped. Everybody wanted to help these kids.

1181
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,480
With these ragety age laws and some of the other things.

1182
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,559
They're not helping these kids. They are hurting them. And

1183
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,840
we're losing an entire generation. And we as adults are

1184
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,159
not stepping up and providing for them the services they need. Unfortunately,

1185
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,679
sometimes these kids are better off to be in a

1186
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,239
facility that's treating them properly and giving them the help

1187
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,239
that they need than they are being at home. And

1188
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,039
there's nothing now to help these kids. And that's where

1189
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:27,079
we've really lost it. And if we want to turn

1190
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,639
things around, we need to start there first.

1191
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think the one thing that any citizen can

1192
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,639
do is you have a vote, and you've got to

1193
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:39,840
you got to do some homework and find out the

1194
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,719
representatives that are representing you and what they stand for

1195
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,639
and where they are on these laws, especially if you're

1196
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,719
living in communities where this is directly affecting.

1197
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: You well, and I would think even once that further.

1198
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,880
You know, voting obviously is the power that you have,

1199
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,840
but making your perspective and your experiences to the politicians

1200
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,679
how the laws have affected you or the people around you,

1201
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:05,800
I think can make even a stronger impact. You know,

1202
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,639
Harry Bronson, who's a good friend of mine, works a

1203
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,840
lot with the labor side of things within the New

1204
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,440
York State. You know, we bring him examples of how

1205
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,000
the laws that they've had, how they how it impacts

1206
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:21,079
actually impacts people rather than the theory and the intention

1207
00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:23,400
of it, because the intention of it is great, but

1208
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,239
the practicality of it is so different.

1209
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,119
Speaker 4: Isn't that the phrase the road to hell is paved

1210
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,960
with greater intentions? Yes, yes, absolutely, yes, yeah, communism sounds good.

1211
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: I think you you you've heard Frank Lombrino say, look, yes,

1212
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,079
we don't want to lock a guy up. And then

1213
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:44,519
the peking were common sense, just and I wish they

1214
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,719
would do almost as Greg is saying, I wish you

1215
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,360
would ride along with the officers, see what's happening, talk

1216
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,519
to the people who are living in the streets, living

1217
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,199
these streets, these these parts of the city that are

1218
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,360
directly affected by this kind of crime, and see what

1219
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,360
they say. I don't know.

1220
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 6: Yes, because you just list nobody feels safe in a community,

1221
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:04,719
everything else is going to go downhill, right one hundred.

1222
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,639
People are going to want to send their kids to

1223
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:08,400
schools there, People are not going to want to open

1224
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,440
businesses there. Everybody needs to be safe. That that's the

1225
00:56:12,519 --> 00:56:15,320
first and foremost, and that's the primary role and responsibility

1226
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,079
to government is to keep his citizens safe. And you know,

1227
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:21,320
there's just in New York. We've just we've gone astray

1228
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,360
and we just need common sense to come come back

1229
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,119
to the table and make things better.

1230
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 2: Common sense. I have this I agree with so much.

1231
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,320
We use the word you know, this is this should

1232
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,079
be common sense. The problem is common sense is only

1233
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:37,719
common to the person who's thinking it.

1234
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good point.

1235
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: So if you and I think it's we all think

1236
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,559
it thinking, oh yeah, we all have that common viewpoint.

1237
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,840
That's just common sense. But the other person that's one

1238
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,760
of the table doesn't even see it. It's just like

1239
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,400
so I when I hear, as i've gotten older, when

1240
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,079
I hear common sense, I'm just thinking, Unfortunately, these twenty

1241
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,159
eight year old kids or fifteen year old kids, and

1242
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,159
then our legislators whatever age they are now, in their

1243
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,159
own life experiences, they're not saying it the way we're

1244
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,199
saying Otherwise, they wouldn't have done something so stupid as

1245
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,159
to do what they just did.

1246
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 6: Now. And a lot of times they rely on numbers, right,

1247
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:13,719
And I hate reverting to statistics or numbers because when

1248
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,440
you're especially when you're talking about New York State, you

1249
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:19,679
can't get accurate numbers on anything. They want to talk

1250
00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,760
about recidivism rates or this or that it is so

1251
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,559
hard to track any type of numbers regarding you know,

1252
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,840
arrests and criminal histories in New York State. You can't

1253
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,440
even imagine. So, you know, if you're relying on numbers

1254
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,760
to make any of your decisions, you really have to

1255
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,119
question those numbers and dig deep. How did they come

1256
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,599
up with those numbers? For example, I tell you that,

1257
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,840
you know, twenty seven percent of our cases in the

1258
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,000
last five years are based you know, suspects we're on

1259
00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:47,960
probation or parole. Right, I'm giving you that number because

1260
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,599
that can provide you the names of that of those suspects.

1261
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,320
So I know that those are accurate. But for some reason,

1262
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,840
New York State makes it impossible to find accurate statistics.

1263
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,400
They're not keeping you know, maybe they're keeping numbers and

1264
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,760
you just don't want us to know what they are,

1265
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:03,960
you know. And that was a big thing with this

1266
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,360
bail reform. You know, it was a big fallacy that

1267
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,719
you got all these people in prison for you know, say,

1268
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,880
marijuana possession. Right, that's a bunch of crap. Nobody's in

1269
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,519
prison for marijuana possession. I'll tell you that right now.

1270
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,079
If they are in prison for marijuana possessions because they're

1271
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:25,199
moving thousands of pounds of marijuana across the borders.

1272
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,679
Speaker 2: Or they had the possession, they had a firearm, and

1273
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:28,960
they had something else. Fight because let me just.

1274
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: Say this, I feel like the marijuana possession type thing

1275
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:36,199
growing up down Stay. I remember taking a field trip

1276
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,199
to New York City. We went to Times Square. I

1277
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,519
was in eighth or ninth grade. I watched two guys

1278
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:44,000
pass a joint back and forth in front of an

1279
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:47,440
officer and he did nothing. I remember thinking, and then the.

1280
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: Second older, I go, yeah, because those guys are.

1281
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,039
Speaker 3: Doing nothing to no one who gives a shit when

1282
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:57,719
there's so many other more impactful, horrible things that are

1283
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,760
going on that he needs to pay attention to or

1284
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:01,400
be alert.

1285
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 6: But you know the funny thing route right now they

1286
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,599
legally and we can get I don't even want to

1287
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:07,239
go down this rabbit. Now they legalize marijuana. They didn't

1288
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:10,360
want us, you know, messing with people, you know, selling marijuana.

1289
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:12,800
So now what's happening. Who's messing with the people that

1290
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:13,719
are selling marijuana?

1291
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: Nobody?

1292
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,119
Speaker 6: Now they're not getting their tax money.

1293
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: Yeah the state is that is true? Yes they are.

1294
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,679
Speaker 6: So now you got the state rating these places because

1295
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:26,360
they're getting cheesed out of their tax money. But that's

1296
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,920
not good on that rabbit hole, all right, we won't.

1297
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time and and and thank you for

1298
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,199
talking about this. And I just think it's something that

1299
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:36,079
as we come up. I don't know even if election,

1300
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,599
just pay attention. I think Greg brings brings up a

1301
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:42,800
great point. Try to talk to your representatives. Let them

1302
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,079
know ary can I mean, boy, if they've got an

1303
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,280
email and they've got social media, hit them up on

1304
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,039
it as a hard and long and repeatedly. I would

1305
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:53,079
think maybe, yeah, maybe.

1306
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,119
Speaker 6: My opinion to people is you have to try to

1307
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:57,199
educate yourselves and know, we live in a society where

1308
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,119
everybody just looks at the headlines and that's it. But

1309
00:59:59,559 --> 01:00:01,960
you know, don't be afraid to question something that you're hearing.

1310
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,719
To ask good questions, do a little bit of research.

1311
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,800
Don't just go based on you know what person A

1312
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,880
or person B is saying. You got to do your

1313
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,639
own research and just be careful where you get your

1314
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:13,440
numbers from. Be cognizantle.

1315
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I I thank you for your time and uh,

1316
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:17,480
stay safe.

1317
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: And your service. Thank you all.

1318
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 6: Thank you guys, appreciate it very much.

1319
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: Anytime you got it by by man, that is uh right.

1320
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,280
Just the idea that that I need a gun to

1321
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,440
stay safe is like a mentality and and I'm yeah,

1322
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:34,840
I remembered hearing and reading. So I remember one young

1323
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,840
kid saying that he was a he got roughed up

1324
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,440
by a gang or beat up, uh because he looked

1325
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,480
like the guy that they're wrong them or where they

1326
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,360
were going after. And he's like, yeah, I was so scared,

1327
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,360
and that the idea of having a gun just to

1328
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,559
protect myself, it was something I needed.

1329
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,199
Speaker 2: So there was there was a situation that happened several

1330
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,199
years ago where there was a suburban kid who posted

1331
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,039
on social media that anybody and I can't remember exactly

1332
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:05,360
how the post was, but he essentially had what what

1333
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,239
ultimately was identified as a toty pistol or baby gun,

1334
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,079
but essentially said that he was going to shoot up

1335
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,280
and he minority that he saw and he was from

1336
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,719
Pittsburgh and that's when Luke was And then there was

1337
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,840
other things that were going on that Luke saw on

1338
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,719
social media. He was getting like his own you know,

1339
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,400
they were how scary, harassing texts and stuff and he

1340
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:33,440
was fifteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and that's why he

1341
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:36,119
felt he needed that to feel safe. Now, he needed

1342
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,559
to feel safe, you know, against Caucasians because of that

1343
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,719
was the hates out of it. But when you're in

1344
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,159
the city and having known people and friends that live

1345
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:47,800
in the city, you know they use it because it's

1346
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,119
you know, of the same race, right that they're like,

1347
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,880
you know, even even you know if you're Caucasian, you're

1348
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,039
there because of the of the circumstances you find yourself

1349
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,440
in that are more threatening. So you they need it

1350
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,960
more for protection than than you know, more than being

1351
01:02:03,079 --> 01:02:03,760
an aggressor.

1352
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 3: When you tell those Luke stories, Hey, you worry about

1353
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,239
like what was he feeling?

1354
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:09,559
Speaker 2: What was he inside?

1355
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,079
Speaker 3: Because you have no I would have no way of identifying, right,

1356
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:15,199
I would have no way of understanding that. But what

1357
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:18,119
we forget because it was so different than when we

1358
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:21,239
grew up, is social media can reach you at any

1359
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,800
point at any time, So people are anywhere bullying you

1360
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,880
or whatever, or sending a message, even if it's one

1361
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,199
that's not directly at you but speaks about you as

1362
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,599
a minority, whatever that like, that that was it didn't

1363
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:37,199
target anyone in particular, I thought the kid.

1364
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: Might have even used the N word, if I remember, yeah,

1365
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:40,599
in that video.

1366
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:43,159
Speaker 3: Uh, And I thought it was posted in May, but

1367
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:46,159
then got re something again in the fall, and that's

1368
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,079
when it started to make nudes and noise. It's like

1369
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:50,800
these things don't die. But let's say you're you're Luke

1370
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,360
and you see that boy, wouldn't you be scared? Yeah?

1371
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:55,599
Speaker 2: You know in your point, your point, I think with

1372
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,840
today's you know, as an adult, as a parent of

1373
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,920
a child who didn't have social media. Yeah, you know

1374
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,280
when we left school and the bullying that took place

1375
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,159
in the school, and it did we got home, we

1376
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:08,119
were safe. Yeah, we were safe in our house. Yeah,

1377
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,400
you could let us sigh relief. The only way that

1378
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,559
you'd be threatened if somebody came to the house, because

1379
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,599
that's what we would know, or they call on the phone,

1380
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,000
but then somebody's gonna answer it. Here, you're getting that

1381
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,639
just bombarded at you. And you have all the time,

1382
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:21,880
and you have control because you could turn it off.

1383
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,800
But kids don't know how to turn it off. Their

1384
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,519
brains just don't know.

1385
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: If you can't regulate that, and the social media, we

1386
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,480
don't even know what it is. I mean, like, I'm

1387
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,599
aware of Snapchat and I'm sure I sound like an

1388
01:03:32,639 --> 01:03:35,079
old guy, but I don't know how to exactly do it.

1389
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,000
And I'm sure there's things I know that there's discord

1390
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:40,280
and these different things that I'm not even familiar with

1391
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,559
in terms of social media.

1392
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 2: So so going through that as a parent, I went through,

1393
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:48,599
and the boys mom went and we Jenny tried to

1394
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,599
like eliminate that stuff. So we would go in, put

1395
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,639
all the restrictions, tell them they can't have it. We

1396
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,400
would check, she would check their phones at night to

1397
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,360
make sure it wasn't there, and they hit it. They

1398
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,199
had all these other apps to hide things and then

1399
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:04,840
get access we did. You know, here we are, we're

1400
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,280
trying to be as visual as possible, but teenagers are teenagers. Yes,

1401
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,679
you know. It kind of reminds us me as a

1402
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,000
kid growing up in Hornell. We were looking for certain things.

1403
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:17,440
Yeah right, well, my parents wouldn't let us have those things,

1404
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,039
and they took precaution to prevent us to have access

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01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:25,199
to these things. We always found a way to get it, prohibition. Yeah,

1406
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:27,239
it's true.

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: It's true. It is going to be I'm even thinking,

1408
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:31,159
like now I go boy, I snuck out of the house,

1409
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,800
got in a car with other teenagers in the middle

1410
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,079
of the night, rode around. You go almost like that,

1411
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,559
you seem to be able to have prevented a little

1412
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,639
bit with life three sixty. I know where you are,

1413
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280
Let me check their phone. I mean, maybe you go

1414
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:46,840
to bed thinking they're in the room, but you can

1415
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,840
take the phone. But boy, it's even deeper than that

1416
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,199
now because there's all kinds of I mean, how many

1417
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,719
times are you sitting with somebody having a conversation and

1418
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,280
they're having conversations that you're not aware of with people

1419
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,599
who aren't even physically in the same space. Is a

1420
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,519
text or chat or whatever, and it's all the time,

1421
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:05,119
and with kids that can be very scary.

1422
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:06,199
Speaker 2: And I always say.

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01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 3: Even with adults, you see people's moods change because there's

1424
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,880
something on social media, right, and just imagine if it's

1425
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,599
directly directed at you, it's a it's a whole different world.

1426
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:18,400
I can't wait for Jameson to move in as a

1427
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,960
as a police officer.

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01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: I can't imagine how they have to then deal with that,

1429
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,880
because you know, again you can deal with a rational

1430
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,360
person or what appear would be in most instance, somebody

1431
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,519
who's rational, uh, but have some mental health challenge that

1432
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:38,880
something triggers them and now they become irrational, or they

1433
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,239
take they ingest a drug or alcohol or something that

1434
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,960
affects their decision making on that.

1435
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: And and what.

1436
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,119
Speaker 2: Can trigger them can be something they see on social

1437
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:49,079
media and then all of a sudden they lose it. It's

1438
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:51,840
their job, you know, in him saying their job is

1439
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,360
significantly substantially more difficult. I mean, look at the look

1440
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,920
at the things we just talked about. We're not even

1441
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,000
in the professional would probably come in and give us

1442
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,719
a thousand weeks difficult.

1443
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,079
Speaker 4: I remember when Duffy was the Chief of Police and

1444
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,039
I was working at Wham my first rate of Joe

1445
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:05,480
oh four.

1446
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:08,719
Speaker 3: So it's like twenty years ago. So something had happened.

1447
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 4: It had to be significant twenty years ago. It had

1448
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,840
to be significant twenty years ago.

1449
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,119
Speaker 3: Twenty years ago it was oh four.

1450
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:17,119
Speaker 4: And we so Beth and Chad, we got Duffy on

1451
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:18,960
the show at like seven fifteen, So this is a

1452
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:19,320
big deal.

1453
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,599
Speaker 3: Forgett the chief of police on within.

1454
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 4: Like ten minutes of a story breaking, and he goes.

1455
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,639
Speaker 3: This is two thousand.

1456
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 5: The reason why I say it was two thousand and four.

1457
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: He goes, now we're starting to see the results of

1458
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,079
the crack babies growing up. Now he now the capin

1459
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,920
just the captain just said an eighteen year old now

1460
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,800
is now what not what they were ten years ago?

1461
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:41,599
The thing about twenty years ago, but they were coming

1462
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:46,079
up and the crackman like, it's worse. Yeah, it's even worse.

1463
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,400
I wouldn't want to be a police officer.

1464
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,199
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying now when I meant like our

1465
01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:53,599
guys saying they don't want to deal with this. It's

1466
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:56,440
not about being shot. It is about being questioned or

1467
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,119
not being able to do your job to the fullest

1468
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:01,760
as you see fit. And I don't know what that is.

1469
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,039
And I think most officers do agree with the bail

1470
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:08,599
reform and maybe even the raisey age to a certain extent.

1471
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,360
We'll take a moment. Dan said something, and I think

1472
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,119
we have to do this since Greg is here. Yeah,

1473
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:17,480
I think it's good Netflix. And what they do, what

1474
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:18,039
is it called.

1475
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,719
Speaker 4: It's called the Keeper the Keeper test, the Keeper test.

1476
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,119
Speaker 3: The Keeper test. Are you aware of this idea? I

1477
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:26,440
will explain this, but it's as a business owner and

1478
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,760
as you know, you run a successful law firm in

1479
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,480
multiple markets. I'm just curious as to your thoughts on

1480
01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:37,280
this because I can't tell if it's great or if

1481
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,320
it's almost too anxiety inducing. I don't know.

1482
01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:41,679
Speaker 2: We can't wait to hear about it.

1483
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:43,000
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Speaker 8: Gotta girl from the sasside. I'm praising it. First time

1514
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:28,079
I was saying a womba had to get somebody.

1515
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:31,319
Speaker 2: Was just at the Samhuan concert and yeah, it was

1516
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,039
a great show. The first time I ever saw him.

1517
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:35,760
He was great. I really enjoyed it.

1518
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,039
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would know Sam. I know

1519
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:41,640
the songs, I don't know if I would know him, but.

1520
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: Like Randon, I wouldn't know what he likes. You know

1521
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,039
what I'm saying? I didn't know which guy.

1522
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: He wasn't stage first, singing like I know other bands,

1523
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:48,359
I don't know.

1524
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,239
Speaker 2: I don't know him.

1525
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 3: I don't know Samun, but the country or he raised

1526
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:57,039
kind of a yeah, spoken words a lot of his songs.

1527
01:09:57,079 --> 01:09:59,079
Speaker 2: It's like, how is that country cop?

1528
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,239
Speaker 3: It's cop to call it pick cop.

1529
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,359
Speaker 2: I think the words of the songs making country, yes,

1530
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,439
and that twang in his voice makes the country Okay,

1531
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,800
it's yeah, I think.

1532
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:14,399
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1533
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a big country fan, so.

1534
01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:19,079
Speaker 3: No, I'm not a huge country fan either, but it's

1535
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,000
almost like you can't avoid it. And now even post Malone.

1536
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,560
I just watched Post Malone play at the Grand Ole

1537
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,199
Opry and do like with country artists, like old school

1538
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,000
country artists, and do their song. I got to stand

1539
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,560
on that stage once you did. Oh yeah. So I

1540
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,119
get up there.

1541
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 4: I have my little moment taking it all in, and

1542
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,560
my wife is like, it's after four seconds, all right, honey,

1543
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,279
we gotta go like, hey, sh I have my moment.

1544
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,199
Other people like their moment too, Hey give it back.

1545
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 3: Okay, We're done.

1546
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:51,319
Speaker 2: That's it. We're on our way. Yeah, Will Lakes Country,

1547
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:53,239
you know my my twenty two year old.

1548
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's huge in that age group, right.

1549
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,880
You go to those shows, it's all young people and

1550
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:01,279
the girls are.

1551
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, the people watching was fantastic. I

1552
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,640
bet it was really entertaining, very entertaining. So Dan sent me.

1553
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 3: This thing and it's about Netflix. And Netflix offers like

1554
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,000
really big dream salaries and they're looking for the top

1555
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:22,840
talent for all their stuff. And when you think about Netflix,

1556
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,760
I mean how it has evolved over the years from

1557
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,760
renting you movie he said, I would mail in and

1558
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,399
mail back to I think. I think when I go

1559
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,760
look for something to watch, I'll go to Netflix. Even

1560
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,039
if I hit like HBO, Max and Prime, I'll wind

1561
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:40,920
up back at Netflix, Hulu too. I always find something.

1562
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1563
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,359
Speaker 3: Their programming seems to better, or their options are better.

1564
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,119
Speaker 2: But this is.

1565
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,399
Speaker 3: Where they they tell managers to constantly consider firing the employees.

1566
01:11:53,079 --> 01:11:55,279
And it's kind of a mind bending paradox as they

1567
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:57,600
put it out there. But they're saying that it's the

1568
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,039
keeper test, and somebody breaks it down. They say the

1569
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:04,560
keeper test is brutally simple. Managers regularly ask themselves if

1570
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,439
this person wanted to leave? What I fight hard to

1571
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,479
keep them. If the answer is no, it's time for

1572
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,039
a tough conversation. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Now,

1573
01:12:14,119 --> 01:12:16,840
as somebody who has to do that and run offices,

1574
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,960
I mean, is that Do you do that in a

1575
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,079
way like could I do it without this person? Yes? Yeah,

1576
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:23,800
I'm sure you do.

1577
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 2: We do Yeah, we do it. We do it with

1578
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,159
every single employee at least once a year.

1579
01:12:30,399 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.

1580
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 4: The parade last year or and s Patrick's a little light.

1581
01:12:37,319 --> 01:12:39,479
I got to step it up, ran out of cups

1582
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:40,840
in the first half of the parade.

1583
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:45,399
Speaker 3: But they're saying at Netflix, now, this isn't an annual review,

1584
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:50,039
it's not even quarterly. It's a constant evaluation every single day.

1585
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:54,319
So they're going imagine the pressure and the potential for growth.

1586
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,079
And Netflix's reasoning behind this, they say, is that it

1587
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:01,880
creates less stress, not more are because it's brutal honesty

1588
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,680
with your performance on a daily basis any kind of

1589
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,279
I guess that would eliminate any I don't know where

1590
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:11,159
I stand that this which.

1591
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: It's really it's interesting because our side of it is

1592
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,960
almost it's almost the opposite side. Its almost one hundred

1593
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,880
and eighty degrees. It's so hard for us to find people, right, right,

1594
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,680
It's so hard for us to find people who will

1595
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,880
come in and one want to work and then to

1596
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:29,039
have the capacity and share the same mindset of our

1597
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:31,560
you know, our focus is customer service. Our our focus

1598
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,399
is response in this Do they have that mindset? It's

1599
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:38,159
hard to find people to do that, and so oftentimes

1600
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:41,680
it's do they once we find them, and then the

1601
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,880
review is do they share that? And then are we

1602
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,960
better with them or without them? Right? You know, we've

1603
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,920
had I've had We've had some people in our offices

1604
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,560
that have come in, they come in to work every day,

1605
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,920
their gung ho, but they're just not they don't have

1606
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:59,319
that softer service mentality. And it's like, you know, it's

1607
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:01,960
a body, but we better off as an office having

1608
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,119
them here in that mindset or not. And we've had

1609
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:06,560
to make some hard decisions. Very hard to see.

1610
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they say here there's like no sugarcoating, it's

1611
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,880
all kind of out there how you are every day.

1612
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:15,600
But why they implement the system that may encourage turnover

1613
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,039
when you're paying top dollar. The answer is talent density

1614
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,560
is what Netflix says they have a talent density that

1615
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,119
you get the absolute best people that are going to

1616
01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:28,560
be able to maintain and meet the standard. Yeah.

1617
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you are in a space that

1618
01:14:31,399 --> 01:14:34,359
can attract and have talent of that fashion. I think

1619
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:36,479
the NFL is the exact same way. Yeah right, yes,

1620
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,720
the NFL. It's almost a meritocracy in a way.

1621
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 3: I mean it really is.

1622
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,239
Speaker 2: It is, and it's you know, it all depends on

1623
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:49,039
your space and how how that works, and you know

1624
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:53,479
the numbers that are in there. It's for us. I

1625
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,600
think in a normal professional setting it's difficult because how

1626
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,359
can you know where's your margin, where's your revenue on

1627
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:04,600
those things? Because oftentimes I think you have to do

1628
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,760
that with your sale side of whatever business you're in,

1629
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,600
your revenue generation, you have to have that mentality. If

1630
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,439
you don't, then you're just you're going to be below

1631
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,239
average to blow average. But then it's all the other

1632
01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:18,960
support services that that provide that for your talent, your

1633
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:24,920
revenue generating talent. And in our space, you know, other professions,

1634
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,800
I think it's hard to find people that are gonna

1635
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:31,199
stay and when you pay them, you know, when you

1636
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:34,199
pay them and you pay the competitive or above competitive pay,

1637
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,399
they then chase other pay right. You know, you think

1638
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,800
you're providing a great place to work, and somebody comes

1639
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,640
in and they just you know, COVID was a perfect example.

1640
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:45,920
We're above the curve and how we paid, and then

1641
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,199
all of a sudden we went below the curve and

1642
01:15:47,279 --> 01:15:50,800
we lost everybody for no reason. I mean, I mean

1643
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,239
I should say no reason. They had obviously reason. But

1644
01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:56,079
I thought that we were very responsive and flexible and

1645
01:15:56,119 --> 01:16:00,680
adaptable during the time and in you know, did everything

1646
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,079
that we our space, people in our space were providing.

1647
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:06,960
And then it just flipped because everybody in the space,

1648
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:11,279
it then went it went remote. Yeah, you know, attorneys

1649
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:14,279
didn't work remote. You lived in the community that you work.

1650
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:17,319
That's what we did. There would be some like specialties

1651
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:18,880
and like appeals where he didn't need to live in

1652
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,319
the community. But now it's all over the place and

1653
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,000
we lost you know, I mentioned you guys, we've lost

1654
01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:27,840
We lost six attorneys in like six or seven months. Man.

1655
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,399
Speaker 3: I just that's that's a high rate. And they're saying

1656
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,239
with this keeper test that you're not having one or

1657
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:38,159
two standouts, you're getting a team of all stars, the best,

1658
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,800
and that it isn't just about who to let go?

1659
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:44,319
But how to raise the bar or raise the standard?

1660
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,880
And I guess in a way, I I mean I

1661
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,680
kind of like that, but I think, who's the first

1662
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,079
person to go, Hey, guys, I got a great way

1663
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:54,680
to get the best talent?

1664
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 2: We do the keeper?

1665
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,159
Speaker 3: Like who comes up with that idea? And then how

1666
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:00,560
does everybody else at the table who's gonna be.

1667
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 2: How do they feel about it? Well, I you know,

1668
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,479
having been through some of this, not not the way

1669
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,439
you described it is. You know, the person who's in charge,

1670
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:19,279
the person either whoever's the CEO or president, they're the

1671
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:21,680
one who comes up with it, and then they have

1672
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,000
to execute and implement it. Uh and uh, they themselves.

1673
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,359
If you've got a board of directors, I mean I

1674
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:30,840
can tell you know, sitting on some boards I'm on.

1675
01:17:31,039 --> 01:17:33,560
Is that that's what you do with the CEO. Is

1676
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:37,000
that that's ours? It's the keeper test with the CEO

1677
01:17:37,159 --> 01:17:40,560
the CEO, I mean that is that's the model period. Uh.

1678
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,640
And sometimes given the circumstances, you keep somebody because of

1679
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,880
the options aren't as good and so that's a keeper.

1680
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,119
And sometimes you have somebody who's doing great, but you know,

1681
01:17:51,359 --> 01:17:55,079
in that space there's other talent that's better, and then

1682
01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:57,680
you gotta you progress and move to somebody else.

1683
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,399
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is like, once you get into

1684
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:01,720
one of these companies they call them fang companies, right,

1685
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,920
which means Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google one of

1686
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,119
those five companies, and there's there's a there's a couple

1687
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,279
others too that they kind of categorizeing that once you

1688
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,279
get into a Netflix something like that, even though you

1689
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:15,039
are successful, there's also the outside companies, the other four

1690
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:17,600
companies coming after you too, because now you've cracked that

1691
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,720
that ceiling. So now you work for Google, you work

1692
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,520
for Amazon, you work for Netflix. You got to be

1693
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,039
pretty bright, right, Have you had significant time there?

1694
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:24,520
Speaker 5: Sure?

1695
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,279
Speaker 4: But even if you don't, guess what they move on

1696
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,479
like salespeople for better opportunities. Yeah, they're basically just all

1697
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,319
like going around different companies once you crack that ceiling. Now,

1698
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,159
the belief is if like a startup could come to

1699
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:37,680
you and go, hey, look, we saw what you did

1700
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,720
at Google, or we saw what you did at Facebook,

1701
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:40,600
why don't you come with us.

1702
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,119
Speaker 3: We'll get throw you a bunch of equity.

1703
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 4: And now, so it kind of does raise the bar

1704
01:18:45,079 --> 01:18:47,840
at the same time, the worry is the anxiety part

1705
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:49,640
of it, Like now am I gonna say what?

1706
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,359
Speaker 3: What? What's the cost? Is it my family?

1707
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 4: Is it my my the NFL, my health.

1708
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 2: The NFL has poached from from those companies. When you

1709
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,600
look at some of the NFL executives now they're former.

1710
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:02,279
I mean, I know some people that have been in

1711
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:05,760
the Buffalo Bill's organization who have come from Google, who

1712
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:06,600
came from Amazon.

1713
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 3: So that's a great training ground they went in. I

1714
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,800
had never heard of the keeper test prior to this

1715
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,279
at all. And I understand the standard. No, but as

1716
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,680
I'm going through here and you go look from there's

1717
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,319
no room for coasting in this.

1718
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: You gotta be all the time on your on your guard.

1719
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 3: And I from what I read, employees describe it as intense,

1720
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:32,520
but a rewarding atmosphere if you if you can can

1721
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,199
hack that sort of thing. And I I just wonder, like,

1722
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,119
let's say you aren't meeting the standard and you can't

1723
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:42,520
get there, what does that do? You go somewhere else

1724
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,000
and you raise the stand. I don't know, you know

1725
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,239
what I put this as I almost like putting a kid,

1726
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:50,600
like putting Jordan in McQuaid where now there was a

1727
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,199
shit ton more work. And the reason I wanted him

1728
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,760
there was he could coast where he was, and I

1729
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,399
didn't want him as to coast. I wanted those margins

1730
01:19:58,439 --> 01:19:59,880
tightened up because I went, there's a lot of potent

1731
01:20:00,119 --> 01:20:02,920
the right and I almost see it as you want

1732
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,760
to be a jag lawyer. Right, but there's a summer

1733
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,119
reading list Jordan at this school. Yeah, but when they

1734
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:13,359
see things like, uh, it's too harsh and it's anxiety inducing, well,

1735
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,840
then you're not cut out. Well well, and then that's

1736
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,000
the flip side. Oh go ahead.

1737
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:19,119
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is then you're not going

1738
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,359
to succeed at that level of competition within the business world.

1739
01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 5: You got it, kind of weans it out.

1740
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,279
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is shouldn't we all be trying to

1741
01:20:25,319 --> 01:20:27,920
perform it work instead of coast. We all get accustom

1742
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,119
the coast to get some point. And at that point

1743
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,199
when you do that, you have to realize it. Like

1744
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,119
when I worked in radio with you guys, I was

1745
01:20:34,119 --> 01:20:36,439
like always trying to make sure I was at my

1746
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,439
utmost performance because I could get In radio, you get

1747
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,600
cut at any time and they don't care, you know,

1748
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,760
shouldn't we always be like performing to like our best level,

1749
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:46,720
even if we're not cut out for like one of

1750
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,680
those companies like a Netflix. Should we always be trying

1751
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,479
to do our very best? If we like made mediocrity

1752
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,039
the standard for the default, I don't know.

1753
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: I don't know in terms of what I hear what

1754
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,439
you're saying. And I think that there are we're mediocrities, okay,

1755
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,920
but those aren't usually your dream, Joe. And the other

1756
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,119
side of it is man in a rising tide floats

1757
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:09,880
all boats. If all of a sudden the standard goes

1758
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:12,399
up and everybody else is raw raw, I'm going to

1759
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,439
jump in there as well, or I'm going to be

1760
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,960
left behind. And if I like what I'm doing, I

1761
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:20,039
kind of like that that whole mentality. When we did

1762
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:22,199
the Breakroom, I used to say to you all the time,

1763
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:26,039
in my mind, we own this and what we're doing

1764
01:21:26,119 --> 01:21:29,840
is renting space from the company that owns the microphones,

1765
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,520
and this is our shingle out there. And I always

1766
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:33,399
remember I.

1767
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:36,039
Speaker 2: Got into a big argument with the GM and.

1768
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,520
Speaker 5: I I am the CEO of the break Crow.

1769
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 3: I did tell her that I did say that, and

1770
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,720
you were I did say that, but you were, but

1771
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,800
it was an idea of I wanted.

1772
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,399
Speaker 4: To resonate throughout management. They kept repeating that back to

1773
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:48,279
us all my time.

1774
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,319
Speaker 3: But I was like, just I wanted to win.

1775
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to win, right, we want to more

1776
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,359
than they did. Well, just you know what I mean.

1777
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,680
Somebody that takes that as a threat to me just

1778
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,039
doesn't understand this. You know, structures, because when you're own

1779
01:22:02,119 --> 01:22:05,520
a business like radio, you've got ten shows you should have.

1780
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,840
You have ten presidents of the show. Now I you know,

1781
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:11,119
we're the owners of all of them. So it's like

1782
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:14,079
having ten subsidiary companies that have independent p and ls.

1783
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 3: You got it.

1784
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,640
Speaker 2: So you want to you want that mentality because that's

1785
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,239
that's how you can succeed in the business model that

1786
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:23,479
exists in America. Now, if you don't succeed in that,

1787
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,720
that just means you're not cut out for it. That's fine,

1788
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:28,119
you know. And I was laughing a little bit because

1789
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:31,680
you guys were talking about, you know, succeeding and always

1790
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,199
doing your best. Well again, that's kind of like common

1791
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:37,000
sense to me. Yes, what I've learned over my twenty

1792
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,720
eight years now is that what I do to be successful,

1793
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,479
What I've done for myself to compete and to be

1794
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,159
the best I can be requires me to work sixty

1795
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:49,640
hours a week, well, seventy hours a week. Well, there

1796
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,039
are a lot of people that can be their best

1797
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,399
or perform at what their best is because they want

1798
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,760
to work forty hours a week, So could they be

1799
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,039
better working fifty? Sure, they don't want to now, and

1800
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:06,159
I've seen that temperament from just prior to COVID, but

1801
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:09,600
most certainly post COVID they don't. They don't want to

1802
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,359
do that. Okay. And the money and that part of success.

1803
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:17,199
People are the generation of and I would say people

1804
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:22,800
from forty below or thirty five younger, they don't really

1805
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,479
care about the money. They want the money, but they're

1806
01:23:27,119 --> 01:23:30,079
what goes in to get that at that next level.

1807
01:23:30,119 --> 01:23:33,640
They'd rather work forty and take a little bit less

1808
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,920
or the same than having to work more, but have

1809
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:37,600
the potential to earn more in their future.

1810
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's interesting you say that. I have always

1811
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,840
subscribed to and read different books where some leaders of

1812
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,279
companies say a boss's job is to know what makes

1813
01:23:48,279 --> 01:23:52,720
the employee tick. And if Dan has a kid who

1814
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,239
plays soccer and he wants to be at every game,

1815
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,359
and it's willing to take a lesser salary and leave

1816
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:00,680
work some days at three o'clock to catch the game

1817
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:02,880
that he's seen. You know, he gets to see his

1818
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,319
kid play soccer. You should let him do that as

1819
01:24:06,399 --> 01:24:10,199
long as whatever the work requirements are are met, even

1820
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,199
if he's doing it after hours or something like that.

1821
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 2: But he's taking a lesser pay grade. So is that okay,

1822
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,600
that's entirely consistent with the keeper theory. Yes, right, And

1823
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,680
but that's what so when you talk about the best

1824
01:24:21,039 --> 01:24:24,000
is so you know, we've had people in our profession,

1825
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:26,159
you know, lawyers outs what you do, you work, We're

1826
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:29,000
paid based on time. That's what that's what our that's

1827
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:32,119
what the model is based on essentially. And so you know,

1828
01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:35,720
having somebody that can have we try to give since

1829
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,720
the time, since the day Tom and I started the office,

1830
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,560
it was we don't care where you are, we don't

1831
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,119
care what you do. Just get your job done. I

1832
01:24:41,119 --> 01:24:42,520
don't care how long it takes you. If it takes

1833
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,560
you eight hours, if it takes you five hours, just

1834
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,039
get your job done. And so they always had control

1835
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:50,199
over their schedule to be able to do those things

1836
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:55,000
because we subscribe to the same element to it. Ultimately,

1837
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,239
where there has been friction through our twenty five years

1838
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,119
now of doing this is our our expectation of doing

1839
01:25:01,119 --> 01:25:03,680
the work and their expectation of doing the work is

1840
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,760
very different. So when we say we want you to

1841
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,800
have we want you to do A, B, C and D,

1842
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,439
Well they can get A and B done because it

1843
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,439
takes the extra time to do C and D. But

1844
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,720
they realized, I don't really need to do C and D.

1845
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,239
That's just the way you guys used to do it.

1846
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:20,279
That's the old school way. This is the new school way.

1847
01:25:20,319 --> 01:25:23,159
I gotcha. So there where you become that.

1848
01:25:23,319 --> 01:25:25,520
Speaker 3: The thumbs up thumbs down emoji. You can tell how

1849
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,479
old somebody is if they use it or not, right,

1850
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,800
I mean, there is there's a shift. Yeah, there's a shift,

1851
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:33,439
and I don't know if it's good or bad.

1852
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,560
Speaker 2: But getting back to your point about it, the boss,

1853
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:37,920
you either have to adapt to.

1854
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,159
Speaker 3: That, yes, or find new people. Yeah, and that's not easy.

1855
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 2: Well, you're going to be dealing with the same temperamental,

1856
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:46,840
the same mentalities, because.

1857
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:48,520
Speaker 3: You know, it is job security almost a thing of

1858
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,880
the past. And I say that in terms of AI.

1859
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:54,560
We look at AI now and the number of jobs

1860
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,479
that can be replaced. I can't tell you how how

1861
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,720
often I will use AI to polish up things that

1862
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,039
I write, sure, just to make it a little bit

1863
01:26:04,079 --> 01:26:06,079
because I want it to stand out.

1864
01:26:06,319 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1865
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Speaker 3: In terms of you know that, I always think you've

1866
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:13,279
got to embrace AI, right, yeah, because you're not gonna

1867
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:16,039
put that genie back in the bottle. But because of that,

1868
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,039
and because of things like this with the keeper test,

1869
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,960
is the Keeper test almost the way to do it now,

1870
01:26:21,079 --> 01:26:25,119
because there is no real job security period and if

1871
01:26:25,159 --> 01:26:27,079
you want job security, you better raise your standard. I

1872
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:27,399
don't know.

1873
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should always be looking to improve and prove improve.

1874
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:33,319
I mean, well, I think job security is I mean

1875
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:36,520
it's a supply and demand thing, right, I mean the

1876
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,239
supply of lawyers is far less than demand. So there

1877
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:42,319
are job security.

1878
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1879
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: You know, we're still we're looking to add three more attorneys.

1880
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,640
We can't find them. We're still looking, and so the

1881
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,479
people that are there, is there job security? Yeah, as

1882
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,000
long as you do what you're supposed to do. You know,

1883
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:59,560
we've hired six attorneys in the last twelve months, and

1884
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:04,920
we fight three because they didn't work. They weren't they.

1885
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:08,159
We have an expectation, Our clients have an expectation, and

1886
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,560
you know, if if you don't meet it, you can't.

1887
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,039
You can't just be there just as a warm body.

1888
01:27:13,119 --> 01:27:15,000
It's part of the keeper test. I mean, I wouldn't

1889
01:27:15,039 --> 01:27:17,039
call it at the time it was going through, but

1890
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:22,159
that's just part of it. So yeah, it's uh, you know,

1891
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:25,239
it's it's but in business you have to adapt, you

1892
01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:27,000
have to stay focused.

1893
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 3: I see people have jobs, like jobs in corporate, in

1894
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:33,439
the corporate world, and I go, how the fun does

1895
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,960
that person keep their job? How do they fund?

1896
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:38,239
Speaker 2: They got their feet up, they're off the like, I

1897
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:39,520
say to myself, what do they do?

1898
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 3: We just have guys go to Buffalo. They would leave

1899
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:46,479
and go to Buffalo for lunch and come back to get.

1900
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 4: It Mighty Taco or what were they doing transit transmitters.

1901
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,520
Speaker 3: But then they would grab a couple other guys with

1902
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:56,720
them and they'd take off and I'd be like, how

1903
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:57,359
the fuck is that?

1904
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, that's they would drive out the transit

1905
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:01,560
road to get mighty top.

1906
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 2: I think part of it. I know exactly what you're

1907
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,920
talking about, and I buy there all the time.

1908
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:08,560
Speaker 3: Part of the reason is nobody else could do what

1909
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,800
they did. I used to always make the joke that

1910
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:14,319
the engineer had the easiest job in radio because he

1911
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:18,039
could walk in and go, it's gonna take like two

1912
01:28:18,119 --> 01:28:20,439
or three days, gotta get some part. You have no idea,

1913
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,319
I don't have any knowledge to know what's going on here.

1914
01:28:23,359 --> 01:28:26,479
And that that's usually the way it was.

1915
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's supplying demand. Yeah, right, you have you have

1916
01:28:30,119 --> 01:28:33,199
a skill set that that is in high demand and

1917
01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:35,159
there's not a strong supply. You're you know. One of

1918
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:37,640
the reasons why Luke wanted mechanical engineering is because he

1919
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:41,439
likes to fix things, breaks things and then fix things. Whoa, look,

1920
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,039
things are breaking all the time around and you got

1921
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:46,239
to build things all the time. And so he's like, yeah,

1922
01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:49,560
smart and I and I encourage him to do it.

1923
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,960
But that's you know, and I'll say, right now, Will's

1924
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,239
thinking about going to law school. Why I told him,

1925
01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:55,960
I said, look, this is the best time to go

1926
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,880
to law school. There's a huge demand, there's a small supply.

1927
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,960
You can go there and you get the background. You

1928
01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:03,159
can pick where you want to.

1929
01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:06,359
Speaker 3: Where you want to go, do what you want to be. God,

1930
01:29:06,399 --> 01:29:09,279
you could be a TV analyst, you know, for news,

1931
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:11,560
you could be an agent, you could be so many things.

1932
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,199
Speaker 2: Number just get the background, get this, get you know,

1933
01:29:14,279 --> 01:29:16,560
just get that schooling. And you know, when you think

1934
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,640
about it as a general economy is you know, the

1935
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,720
way things are evolving in terms of technology. If you

1936
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:30,239
can get some background in some technology based applications, you

1937
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:32,600
don't need that. You can work in Rochester and work

1938
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,279
for a company in California or Chicago. I mean, it's

1939
01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:41,279
it's amazing with what how that opportunity exists now and

1940
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:43,960
they're paying you based upon not necessarily where you live

1941
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:47,159
like they like we used to, but where you're making

1942
01:29:47,159 --> 01:29:49,439
your job, where their job is. And you know, somebody

1943
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,800
who lives in San Francisco makes about one hundred percent

1944
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,319
words than somebody that lives in Rochester. But if you

1945
01:29:55,359 --> 01:29:59,079
can do the job that they need from Roster, you're golden, right,

1946
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,840
which is great, Which is.

1947
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:05,319
Speaker 3: Great because the cost of living in San Francisco is astronomical.

1948
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:09,159
Speaker 2: Call to Rochester, right, it's crazy, lame thing. And I

1949
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,560
would assume other places.

1950
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,039
Speaker 4: It's insane absolute I've had to recruit over there.

1951
01:30:14,039 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 3: It's it's hard. Boston too. The keeper test is your

1952
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,760
Boston implement the Keeper test. No, I don't think, so

1953
01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:21,680
said tell them, you know what, it's.

1954
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,079
Speaker 2: The number one.

1955
01:30:22,199 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing I think. I think greging up

1956
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,840
brings up a great point. It's hard to find people,

1957
01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:29,840
let alone the Keeper test. It's hard to find people.

1958
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,159
Speaker 2: Well, I can do the Keeper test on myself. Yes,

1959
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,560
I mean, you know, and the people that ultimately, you know,

1960
01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:39,680
when you're when you're managing something, you want everyone to

1961
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,479
have that same mentality. That's what you want, That's what

1962
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,359
you look for in somebody. And when you find that,

1963
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,359
you know, and I've said since Tom and I started

1964
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:51,279
the office, is that our hardest thing is bringing the

1965
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:54,199
right people in. We know how to run our business now,

1966
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:56,439
it's not to make sure we have the right players,

1967
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,840
you know, people that share the values, that share the mentality,

1968
01:31:00,279 --> 01:31:02,079
that understand what it is that we do and want

1969
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:04,920
to be there. That's that's the hardest part, is making

1970
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:07,600
sure you got one person does not win a championship

1971
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:11,720
or making an office or a business successful. Not one doesn't.

1972
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,760
It takes a full team, but one of them can

1973
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,880
ruin it and destroy it. Yes, and I've seen that,

1974
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:22,600
I've lived that. Really, Oh my God, really, yeah, all right.

1975
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,159
Speaker 3: Torture that will uh. We'll take a moment. Somebody run

1976
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:29,640
in asking for a little personal advice. And then since

1977
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,439
Greg is here, I did see another thing online that

1978
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,520
I just think is again as a business owner, and

1979
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:39,920
this one is uh. I don't think this one Greg

1980
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:40,279
would like.

1981
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 2: I don't think. So we'll get to that right after that.

1982
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 3: Corylston, Maine, a one on nine West Main Street in

1983
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:49,000
the village of Webster, has a culinary masterpiece, the Costanza

1984
01:31:49,239 --> 01:31:55,000
Sausage Plate. Savor the flavors of Costanza sausage delicious, paired

1985
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:59,319
perfectly with herbed wedged potatoes and sauteed green beans.

1986
01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 2: I love Santee green beans.

1987
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,520
Speaker 3: And at Cobblestone on Maine, you're going to experience a

1988
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,279
new sausage style weekly. It's a nice little surprise every

1989
01:32:07,279 --> 01:32:10,640
time you come in. Treat your taste buds at Cobblestone

1990
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,680
on Maine. Today. One on nine West Main Street in

1991
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:14,880
the village of Webster.

1992
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 4: Victor Chrysler Dodge geep Ram Route ninety six in Victor

1993
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:21,520
and online at Victor cdjr dot com.

1994
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 3: Jojo Bistro and Winebar is the perfect place to wind

1995
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,159
down after work. It's going to become your favorite neighborhood hangout.

1996
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:30,479
It's just minutes from home in the village of Pittsford

1997
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,039
and the village of Webster. Jojo Bistro and Winebar offers

1998
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:36,359
a great happy hour and they don't just have specials

1999
01:32:36,359 --> 01:32:39,920
on wine, but on beer and cocktails. There's five Vallard

2000
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,720
margaritas and mules. They are a steel and dangerously tasty and.

2001
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 2: Special happy hour snacks are available as well.

2002
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 3: Stop in Monday through Friday from four to six JoJo's

2003
01:32:49,720 --> 01:33:02,279
Bistro and Winebar. Listen carefully to the words of this song.

2004
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:08,520
Speaker 2: When they started.

2005
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 9: Sunday afternoon, we started and met soon lazily watching again.

2006
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,479
After the doorbell can enter in a little ray and

2007
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:28,560
they say, I'm always to blame, but I got a philosophy.

2008
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:36,399
Nobody's listening. It's something I'm still going to say. Don't

2009
01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:46,000
Monday own your so's.

2010
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 3: Right, Don't be stressing to keep her test on a

2011
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:50,359
Sunday'll lainger Monday on your Sunday. Won't your answer bless?

2012
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:55,920
You got late bells today? That's right, your planing ship.

2013
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,560
Speaker 5: Bench you We're not in edition soon.

2014
01:33:59,159 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: So it's some.

2015
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:07,359
Speaker 9: Say, but I remember you as a kid, spontanes things

2016
01:34:07,399 --> 01:34:09,640
it did, it was your full time job.

2017
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 3: Just play. It's just an interest in Chris Trapper. My

2018
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:23,720
brother introduced me that song and I go, boy, that's

2019
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,399
a really powerful song. And when he says, there, I

2020
01:34:26,399 --> 01:34:29,439
remember you as a kid. I caught CBS Sunday morning

2021
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:32,239
and I'm gonna forget the actress's name, but she played

2022
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,479
uh Lotca's girlfriend on taxi years ago and she talked

2023
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,800
about Andy Kaufman and how he was such a because

2024
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,840
he made up the language that he spoke and she's like,

2025
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:46,279
when I started, he's like, just there is no wrong,

2026
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,680
just play, just play. And she's like he was so

2027
01:34:49,039 --> 01:34:52,079
free because he played like a child, like he just

2028
01:34:52,079 --> 01:34:54,640
didn't care. And it all worked out, and I go,

2029
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,239
I know, but it doesn't seem to fit in the

2030
01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,640
adult world to be able to do that exactly.

2031
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 2: You know. I'm saying, like, I.

2032
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,520
Speaker 3: Wish we could all be a little freer, but it

2033
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:03,399
just doesn't work.

2034
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 2: Doesn't grow the Monday. It owns my Sunday and Saturday Friday.

2035
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,239
You know, I mean, it's been and as an owner

2036
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:15,399
in this regard, as you know what happens now, we've

2037
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,159
planned six months, a year, two, three years ago. And

2038
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:21,279
so if I didn't plan it wouldn't happen now. If

2039
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:25,119
I wasn't thinking about twenty twenty five right now and

2040
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:27,399
planning for it, the things that we need to get

2041
01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:30,199
done wouldn't be done for the thirty five people that

2042
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,439
work for us, right, And so you know, it's like,

2043
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,279
that's what keeps me going. That's what that's what the

2044
01:35:35,399 --> 01:35:37,720
drive is. And you know it says you're planning for

2045
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,119
a vacation in six months, you're not doing your renovation now,

2046
01:35:41,319 --> 01:35:43,680
you know, I laugh because I'm like, that's part of

2047
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,720
what that's part of me. Yeah, you know, I'm looking

2048
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,159
forward to the six months I'm planning a vacation. You know.

2049
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:53,479
The Bills game in Miami, Napa, Seattle, you know, La.

2050
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:58,319
Speaker 3: I loved it yesterday I heard I heard the whole

2051
01:35:58,359 --> 01:36:02,000
itinerary breakdown yesterday. I go, man, that is amazing. But

2052
01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:04,960
there's a lot of work that makes all that possible.

2053
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so but it's it's there's somebody

2054
01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:13,800
it's really comes on the priorities, right, And we were

2055
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,039
talking about the priorities of some of the new I'll

2056
01:36:16,039 --> 01:36:18,640
say a new generation. I think It's always been that

2057
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,920
way for certain people. They've just made different decisions. And

2058
01:36:23,399 --> 01:36:25,880
you know, I would submit, if you were a lawyer

2059
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,600
trying to be a lawyer in the nineteen nineties and

2060
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,920
you wanted to work forty hours, you worked for the government,

2061
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:35,840
right you worked at government legal job. I'll tell you

2062
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,000
right now. In the private industry, it was unheard of

2063
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:43,039
for lawyers. And my experiences in the nineties, if you

2064
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:45,960
as a young lawyer, you didn't work sixty to seventy

2065
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,880
hours a week, unheard of. If you didn't, now it's

2066
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:53,159
unheard of if you do really Oh oh yeah, I

2067
01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:56,000
mean right now, I would say. You know, for friends

2068
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,000
of mine that are partners in firms in Buffalo and Rochester,

2069
01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:03,359
a news shits average work week is forty to forty

2070
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:05,720
two hours a week. That's it. I say, that's it.

2071
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,039
Which is you know people are like Greg, it's full time,

2072
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,640
but yeah, it's it's it's a whole different mentality.

2073
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 3: Well, I remember one of my I remember my mom

2074
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:20,600
talking about one of her coworker's sons graduating from Yale

2075
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,520
Law School and he got a job at a big

2076
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,640
law firm in New York City for ninety grand this

2077
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,000
would have probably.

2078
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Been I gotta think if I was a kid it

2079
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,359
was the mid eighties. Oh yeah. And but the hours, yeah,

2080
01:37:34,399 --> 01:37:35,079
like you.

2081
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:37,399
Speaker 3: Know, on call all the time, weekends, all this stuff,

2082
01:37:37,399 --> 01:37:38,720
and I don't know if that's worth it, but he's

2083
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:40,920
got to pay off those loans. And I'm going, yeah,

2084
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,760
but that's probably what makes that person tick. Yeah, do

2085
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,640
you understand you know what I mean? They like that

2086
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:48,600
that high pressure that like. I think that I could

2087
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,239
always have it adapted to that sort of thing. I

2088
01:37:51,359 --> 01:37:56,279
like that intensity. I enjoy the intensity, the research, the digging,

2089
01:37:56,319 --> 01:37:58,319
the finding an answer, that kind of thing. I love

2090
01:37:58,359 --> 01:37:58,680
that shit.

2091
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean part of it is is you know,

2092
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:03,000
you do something and there's an outcome. Yes, you know, yes,

2093
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,119
it's it's outcome driven. So you work at it, you

2094
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,279
work until it's done, and then when you get to

2095
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:11,800
that completion, you've accomplished something. And then some people are like, Okay,

2096
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:13,359
I've done it and I'm gonna take some time off

2097
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:17,520
or I'm not gonna know. And the people that are successful,

2098
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,680
who have traditionally been successful in the law business anyways,

2099
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,000
as soon as they get done with one, they're grabbing

2100
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:25,399
the next one. Yeah, And then the ones who are

2101
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,800
really good, balanced two or three at a time look

2102
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,359
at this and that's you know, that's the But you know, again,

2103
01:38:31,399 --> 01:38:35,000
it's priorities. And I do think the younger generation younger

2104
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:39,039
here and listen to me, I'm fucking old, you know again, forties,

2105
01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:41,680
thirty five and younger, the priors are different. They want

2106
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,600
more life experiences, they want more quality of life.

2107
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:45,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's.

2108
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 2: Experiential, which is great, it's just that's just I didn't have.

2109
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,880
My life experiences were going to Elector State Park in

2110
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,800
Stony Brook. That's what my life experiences were. And that's

2111
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,720
what the that's what the bench was. That was the

2112
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:01,640
benchmark for us. It wasn't flying to Florida and flying

2113
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,239
to Europe. That wasn't the benchmark. That wasn't it. And

2114
01:39:05,319 --> 01:39:09,239
so now it's you know, it's much more experiential for

2115
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,640
kids and families. And you know, I'm a I've spoiled

2116
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:16,439
my kids because I've become that experiential person myself. But

2117
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,960
now Will's got to find a job that he can

2118
01:39:19,159 --> 01:39:21,720
earn money or earn a living, if that's what he

2119
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,119
wants to do, continue in those experiences. He's got to

2120
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:25,800
find a job that can support.

2121
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,319
Speaker 3: There's also that rich dad, poor dad mentality, right that

2122
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:34,680
always the kids. I knew kids who came from families

2123
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,800
and they were well educated, and this kid was just

2124
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,920
a fuck up, like he would fuck oh my cousin.

2125
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,960
My cousin is a prime example. I have a cousin

2126
01:39:42,319 --> 01:39:43,840
whose dad was a neurosurgeon.

2127
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 2: I have a theory on this.

2128
01:39:46,079 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 3: Had all kinds of you know stuff. He was always

2129
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:52,119
in minor trouble, kicked out of private schools, different things

2130
01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:56,079
like that. Now owns like three or four restaurants in Augusta.

2131
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,640
I was just with my son who had a young

2132
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:02,760
lady with him who's from Augusta. She's going to Nazareth

2133
01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:06,560
and in that whole process, she's like, oh, yeah, I

2134
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,800
know the restaurant. So I called him. He's down in

2135
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,159
Belize because he owns a rest certain police now, but

2136
01:40:12,279 --> 01:40:14,319
he was like this giant fuck up. And I feel

2137
01:40:14,359 --> 01:40:17,680
like the standard was always I want to maintain here.

2138
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:20,439
I'm gonna have to do this and I'll find what

2139
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,079
I love to do and I'll just do it better

2140
01:40:22,119 --> 01:40:25,720
than anybody. He's the guy that hires all the private

2141
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:31,439
chefs that go for the UH for Augusta to the golfers,

2142
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,439
if you want a private chef, he finds them and

2143
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:35,039
hires them.

2144
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:38,520
Speaker 2: That's his job. Yeah, that's fantastic. And you know a

2145
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,159
lot of that is, you know, your dad's in neurosurgeon.

2146
01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:43,880
You're gonna have certain access and opportunity to think others

2147
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:45,720
wouldn't have. You know, the kids in the rash we

2148
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,520
were talking about that are carrying guns aren't gonna have

2149
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:50,159
that same access or opportunity. So you got to make

2150
01:40:50,199 --> 01:40:53,760
something of it. And I thought you were going to

2151
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,920
take a different path, a different way on this is

2152
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,399
that you know, I know as many kids' parents were

2153
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,720
very successful and then the next generation wasn't as successful

2154
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,840
because it was a little soft reform. They don't have

2155
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,560
the same well, they don't have the same drive or

2156
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:09,960
the same My dad used.

2157
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 3: To say to me, your generation will be the first

2158
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,039
generation to not do better than their parents, is what

2159
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,520
he said to me when I was growing up. Just

2160
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,319
just because things got comfortable.

2161
01:41:19,359 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 2: You mean you and yourself will not do better than him.

2162
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, like my generation, because my generation wouldn't. Oh, as

2163
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,720
a generation, I don't know if we did or didn't

2164
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,359
in terms of do better. I think everybody sort of

2165
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,319
you know, did pretty well, but he's his thing was

2166
01:41:34,359 --> 01:41:38,880
as a generation, probably because now you had you didn't

2167
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:39,840
have to work as hard.

2168
01:41:41,079 --> 01:41:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, more things seemed handed to you. But I don't know.

2169
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:47,600
The look we had one car, We had one bathroom

2170
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:51,319
in one car in Hornell when I grew up. My

2171
01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:54,479
kids had more than one bathroom in their house and

2172
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,439
they have more than one car. And in fact, you know, right,

2173
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,479
and I view that I'm less because of the opportunity

2174
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,880
that and the access my parents gave me to go

2175
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:05,760
to Alford and then go to law school and then

2176
01:42:06,199 --> 01:42:07,520
you know, and then the rest I had to do

2177
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,920
on my own. You know, I didn't inherit money. My

2178
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:16,039
my parents didn't pay for my law school. They didn't

2179
01:42:16,039 --> 01:42:18,159
pay for my first house. You know, my kids are

2180
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,439
going to have it a little bit differently than that,

2181
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,920
and I I wonder whether they'll have the same drive

2182
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:28,119
or have the same priorities in terms of work ethic

2183
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:32,239
as I've had, because they you know, because it was,

2184
01:42:32,279 --> 01:42:34,880
it was, it was. It wasn't given to me.

2185
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't. But I wonder too, though, watching you and

2186
01:42:39,039 --> 01:42:42,920
what you did to succeed to have all that, if

2187
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:46,399
that's sort of is ingrained somehow to where do you

2188
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,000
see it and go, I've got to I know what

2189
01:42:48,039 --> 01:42:48,520
I have to do.

2190
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 2: I saw how what he did? You know, I think,

2191
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,119
you know, again, it's too young for the kids to

2192
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,159
to really kind of demonstrate that they both do well

2193
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,039
in school, which is part of a work ethic there.

2194
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:01,600
And it's uh, you know, in the end for me,

2195
01:43:02,359 --> 01:43:05,239
and I think every parent, particularly those whose kids go

2196
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,319
leave leave the house when they get to that point

2197
01:43:08,359 --> 01:43:11,319
and go off to school, is uh, you want them

2198
01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:14,039
to be happy, yes, and not what I find to

2199
01:43:14,079 --> 01:43:16,880
be happy, not what I want them to do to

2200
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,720
be happy, but what do they want to do to

2201
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,880
be happy? That was my thing. This is what my

2202
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,880
brother had said to me about one of my guys.

2203
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:27,479
It's not your life. Yeah, I candidly had a tough time,

2204
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,800
but you know, over when they were at the end

2205
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:31,600
of their high school careers deciding what they want to

2206
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:35,640
do for college, I had. I struggled with what I

2207
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,439
thought they should do and what they wanted to do,

2208
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,880
and I had you know, it took a lot of restraint,

2209
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:43,479
but you know, I stepped back and I'm letting them

2210
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:45,920
kind of fill their path. And they just got to

2211
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,079
find their you know, we give them the wings. I

2212
01:43:48,079 --> 01:43:50,000
don't want to clip them. I want them to spread

2213
01:43:50,039 --> 01:43:52,560
them as big as they can go. And unfortunately it

2214
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:54,960
means that I'm you know, sitting at home with my

2215
01:43:55,079 --> 01:43:57,000
films with the two dogs, but.

2216
01:43:58,880 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 3: With you, guys.

2217
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 2: Someone it was so funny planning your fall.

2218
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 3: So Greg and I are going back and forth this morning.

2219
01:44:06,079 --> 01:44:08,840
I had asked him for Tony, who we were at

2220
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,439
the Gates party, just want to send him a thank you,

2221
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:11,840
and I didn't have his number, So I say that

2222
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,920
to Greg, and Greg says, hey, do you have a

2223
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:16,079
chair for me on the podcast? And I right back,

2224
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,279
of course, and then I just list some of the

2225
01:44:18,279 --> 01:44:20,640
things that were playing. That was all just so you

2226
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,520
had a heads up. And then he writes back again,

2227
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:24,039
so do you still have it? I go, yeah, we

2228
01:44:24,079 --> 01:44:26,720
have a chair. We have a chair, and there's always

2229
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:27,159
a chair.

2230
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:29,119
Speaker 5: Well, there was so much other things going on.

2231
01:44:29,159 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm saying he would fit in.

2232
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,560
Speaker 2: I just was letting you know that these were the

2233
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,680
things that so you had a little guys know, I

2234
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:36,520
appreciate that.

2235
01:44:36,399 --> 01:44:38,279
Speaker 3: Perception coming in what we were doing.

2236
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

2237
01:44:39,039 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 3: Somebody wrote about two women, both single mid fifties to

2238
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:49,199
early sixties, Dear Bill. One says to the other at

2239
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:52,079
this long distance request that they have too much time

2240
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:54,520
on their hands. One woman says the other, you have

2241
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,680
too much time. She's very creative, she does these things

2242
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,520
she's and she gets very offended by that. And should

2243
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:01,439
you be offended by too much time in your hands?

2244
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,920
And I go, this sounds so silly to me, because

2245
01:45:04,359 --> 01:45:07,319
I would I would think that if you're doing something

2246
01:45:07,319 --> 01:45:08,720
that it looks like you have too much time on

2247
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,399
your hands. I don't know, it seems like a compliment.

2248
01:45:11,399 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 4: I would say that you want to know what kind

2249
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:13,840
of people have too much time on their hands?

2250
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:17,319
Speaker 2: Billy, I'll tell you what kind of what kind of people, Cliff.

2251
01:45:17,039 --> 01:45:20,520
Speaker 4: People who go on Facebook and bitch and complain and

2252
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,840
cry and go on Twitter and social media and cry

2253
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:27,760
and complain and protest. Yeah, those people have the luxury

2254
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:28,199
of time.

2255
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, isn't It's so wonderful.

2256
01:45:31,319 --> 01:45:34,399
Speaker 4: Whereas there's people like my wife who's always doing a project.

2257
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:36,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, she has a lot of time in her hands.

2258
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:37,359
Speaker 3: It's summer.

2259
01:45:37,399 --> 01:45:40,640
Speaker 4: She's a teacher, and she's made like seven hundred hats,

2260
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,199
six sweaters. I mean like like she could start her

2261
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:45,439
own like clothing line.

2262
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's on a Nazsi. Set her up ANATSI

2263
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:49,960
shop if you have some money.

2264
01:45:50,039 --> 01:45:50,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2265
01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,239
Speaker 4: I've actually asked her about that, but then she went

2266
01:45:53,319 --> 01:45:54,840
to why she can't do it, and I'm like, okay,

2267
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:55,640
I stop, are good?

2268
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 3: All right?

2269
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:56,279
Speaker 2: Whatever.

2270
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 4: But the point is, though, is that she makes great

2271
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:00,520
use of her time because she has that, she makes

2272
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,399
the most of it, so be productive with it.

2273
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:04,039
Speaker 5: And there's no problem with that.

2274
01:46:04,079 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 3: Well you know what, you know what all that stuff is,

2275
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,239
It says to me, Facebook, bitch, and all that is

2276
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:11,680
resistance to whatever you should be doing. You're not doing

2277
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,760
and it's a great distraction to not do it. And

2278
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,520
I'll tell you what. Anybody is a.

2279
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:19,199
Speaker 2: Really quick, easy read, but it's a great read.

2280
01:46:19,319 --> 01:46:22,640
Speaker 3: It's called The War of Art, and it's really about

2281
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:25,119
a writer and trying to get over the you know,

2282
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:28,199
like writers block, and you've just got to be the

2283
01:46:28,279 --> 01:46:31,880
professional who sits down every day and just does it.

2284
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,119
You've got to set up a schedule for yourself and

2285
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:36,640
these are the hours that all I do is write.

2286
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 4: And this Jerry Seinfeld became a successful This guy talks.

2287
01:46:39,239 --> 01:46:43,560
Speaker 3: About he's the one who wrote the legend of Vagarbant Fan.

2288
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:53,399
Am I saying it right? Legend? Yes, So he wrote

2289
01:46:53,399 --> 01:46:55,039
that and became a movie. But he's like, do you

2290
01:46:55,039 --> 01:46:57,000
know how many times he went. He's like, look, I

2291
01:46:57,039 --> 01:46:59,119
had a failed marriage. I had failed this, he said.

2292
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:01,800
I wound to rent a place in northern California. I

2293
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,079
just sat there for twenty four months. He goes, I

2294
01:47:04,079 --> 01:47:06,720
took two months out to do migrant work to make

2295
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,920
money in the state of Washington. He goes, and then

2296
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,079
we'll come back to northern California to this place, and

2297
01:47:11,159 --> 01:47:13,000
I wrote. No one bought the book, but he goes,

2298
01:47:13,039 --> 01:47:15,159
I did it every day for twenty four months. And

2299
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:18,399
eventually something pays off for you. And it is that

2300
01:47:18,399 --> 01:47:21,159
that you just got to do stuff over and over

2301
01:47:21,239 --> 01:47:24,760
and over, right, you know, and not fear failure. And

2302
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,479
I think that's where we have a great distraction. Ah,

2303
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,359
here's something that I'll take my attention away, or something

2304
01:47:30,399 --> 01:47:32,439
for me to bitch about that doesn't impact my life

2305
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:33,840
directly right now this moment.

2306
01:47:34,319 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 4: Look, you hear your phone, Your phone remind you. I

2307
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:38,359
don't know if like I have a Sam sung. My

2308
01:47:38,399 --> 01:47:41,000
phone reminds me of how much time I spent on

2309
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:42,359
the phone this past week.

2310
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, it always does it on his Sunday morning, Yes.

2311
01:47:44,359 --> 01:47:46,279
Speaker 3: Sunday, And I'm like, does it Yeah, me too. How

2312
01:47:46,319 --> 01:47:47,479
much time you spent on the phone?

2313
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 2: How much time? Yeah, I haven't and the different apps

2314
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,560
that here's what it does. It teases now versus text

2315
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:53,439
mess Yeah, it.

2316
01:47:53,359 --> 01:47:56,159
Speaker 4: Teases you with a push notification said you spent forty

2317
01:47:56,199 --> 01:47:58,319
more minutes this week on your phone than you did

2318
01:47:58,399 --> 01:48:00,600
last week. So now you want to click and well,

2319
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,640
how much time did I spend on the freaking phone

2320
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,159
Three hours and fifty three minutes this week. I'm like,

2321
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,359
that's got to change. And that's not on the phone talking, No,

2322
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:14,960
that is like Twitter three hours looking stuff up.

2323
01:48:15,359 --> 01:48:17,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, but most of yours has got to be working

2324
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:17,920
because I.

2325
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:21,119
Speaker 2: Do everything I do in my emails, I do through

2326
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:22,920
that as well. Yeah. So I you know, I have

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01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,239
a theory similar to you know, should the person get offended.

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01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 3: Well why, yeah, obeah, you made.

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01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 2: The choice to say you want to do something the

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01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,479
other person. I mean, that's on the other person. You know.

2331
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,439
There's there's an old saying if you want to get

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01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,600
if you want something done, ask somebody who's busy right,

2333
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,880
because right, because if you want it done, they're going

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01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,239
to get it done because I got other things I

2335
01:48:44,279 --> 01:48:46,640
got to get done right right as opposed to like

2336
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,520
think about it, lament about it. Yeah, put it down.

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01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,000
And you know, well here there's no sense of urgency.

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01:48:52,119 --> 01:48:54,359
I guess in some respect, sometimes you got.

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01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:57,800
Speaker 3: To stop, take a look around and go. Everybody has

2340
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,880
twenty four hours of the day. Some people just do

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01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:01,479
more with it.

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01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I mean and showing up right,

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01:49:06,079 --> 01:49:08,399
you know, I said to Luke, you know, as I

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01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,680
gave him a hug, and I got my eyes are

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01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,079
welled up and I got not in my throat. I said,

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01:49:13,319 --> 01:49:15,039
just make sure you go to every single class. That's

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01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:16,640
what I'm paying for. Yeah, I'm paying for you to

2348
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:20,840
be in class right period. Just show up. Now. You know,

2349
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,239
in life, you're going to figure it out. You show up.

2350
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:25,279
If you don't like it, he's gonna have to find

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01:49:25,319 --> 01:49:27,279
something else to do, you know, he's got to adapt

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01:49:27,319 --> 01:49:29,800
to that. It's uh. And don't be afraid to fail.

2353
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:32,319
You know, some of the greatest successes are based upon

2354
01:49:32,359 --> 01:49:35,720
some of your you know, most horrifying.

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01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 3: Tom Brady Tom Brady motivational thing where he was sitting

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01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:41,960
and I don't, but it was that. Yeah, he said,

2357
01:49:42,039 --> 01:49:44,760
I remember the failures, Oh, because they he goes, those

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01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:46,399
are the things that we should talk about, he goes,

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01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:48,640
The winds are great. Yeah, yeah, we did so many,

2360
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:51,840
but we got them because of the failures. We knew

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01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:54,399
what not to do, what embrace those.

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01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:56,600
Speaker 2: I bet you doctor Rob could give you a great

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01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,159
psychological analysis on why that's good and why that's not

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01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:00,600
so good.

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01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 3: Probably, yes, why would you say say not so good?

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01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:08,159
Speaker 2: Well, you know a lot of it just is driven

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01:50:08,199 --> 01:50:12,199
through anxiousness, your anxiety, and you know I've had I've

2368
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:16,119
had my battles with anxiety. So it's really trying to

2369
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:18,840
get to a point in life of balance where you

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01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:23,039
have that drive without there being anxiety. And for me,

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01:50:23,319 --> 01:50:25,880
growing up the way I was brought up, I haven't

2372
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:30,199
met that. Yeah, it still comes with it better still

2373
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:31,279
is a challenge.

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01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:31,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:35,199
Speaker 3: I don't know how to how to interpret all that

2376
01:50:35,239 --> 01:50:38,079
stuff because then I think of guys like Michael Jordan, right,

2377
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:40,600
and Michael Jordan would get so he would make things

2378
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:47,560
up in his head to piss him off. Back to back.

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01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:50,119
Speaker 4: Gnes and I think it was the he played for

2380
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:54,239
the Nets scure kid, and he said nice game, Mike, Yeah, person,

2381
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:56,399
and then he made up some story in his head

2382
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,239
that the guy was like better than him that day,

2383
01:50:58,239 --> 01:50:59,880
which he was, and then he just to.

2384
01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:04,079
Speaker 5: The next game. I'm sorry, mister Jordan, you didn't do anything.

2385
01:51:04,119 --> 01:51:05,239
Speaker 3: You just played basketball.

2386
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 2: Now, let's make take this full circle. Now, somebody, now

2387
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:12,520
you've got a gun in your hand and you're in

2388
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,319
a playground basketball game, and then somebody says that and

2389
01:51:15,319 --> 01:51:17,239
you take it personally, and then that guy torture you.

2390
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:18,840
What are you gonna do. You're gonna be so pissed

2391
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,239
off you might shoo shoot him. In fact, there's been

2392
01:51:21,279 --> 01:51:23,520
times in the city of Roster there's been shootings at

2393
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,920
off basketball games and so you know, so anyways, get

2394
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,560
thats off on a tangent, bring a little full circle

2395
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,920
from other conversation. But uh yeah, you know, and there's

2396
01:51:33,279 --> 01:51:37,560
oftentimes I think we as parents and as a society

2397
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,239
should probably get to a point where we have to

2398
01:51:39,359 --> 01:51:45,479
drive without creating these self imposed anxiousness parts. I mean, look, Jordans,

2399
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:48,920
you know, Jordan's one of the best competitors to exist

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01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:51,119
in the face of the earth, as is Bezos, as

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01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:54,000
is you know, Bill Gates as you know, you know

2402
01:51:54,079 --> 01:51:58,520
Warren Buffett, who probably is the most non competitive person

2403
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,279
the way that he talks and delivers things. Yes, but

2404
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:05,880
the man prepares himself like no other person in his industry,

2405
01:52:06,199 --> 01:52:08,159
and that's what drives him. You know, he says he

2406
01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:10,319
does it, ah because of his search and his pursuit

2407
01:52:10,359 --> 01:52:13,800
of intellect. Okay, well I think he got enough smarts there, buddy.

2408
01:52:14,119 --> 01:52:16,520
You know, you're ninety three years old, and you know,

2409
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:19,920
come on, still going. He's still going now. Again, that's

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01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:21,720
great as long as he as long as he's not

2411
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:22,520
feeling like I.

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01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:23,279
Speaker 3: Have all that.

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01:52:23,319 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 2: But you know I I still feel that way. I

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01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:28,800
still drive, I still have that drive. I still want

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01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,359
to win, so want to compete. Now, it's just a

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01:52:30,399 --> 01:52:32,720
matter manner of trying to make sure it doesn't create

2417
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:37,039
other issues in terms of anxiety and anxiousness, which then

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01:52:38,359 --> 01:52:39,920
cloud's judgment decision making.

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01:52:40,319 --> 01:52:41,159
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 2: That's because it does everything that keeps doctor Rob busy.

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01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:46,159
Speaker 3: Yes, it is on a.

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01:52:46,119 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 5: Scale of one to ten.

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01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 3: I try to keep everything at least at a seven.

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01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:51,720
Speaker 4: Don't get too extreme to excited, right, you know, like

2425
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,000
what like like like the big thing in baseball which

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01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,439
has kind of killed the game is analytics. They made

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01:52:56,479 --> 01:53:00,720
it so efficient that it's so frick and boring, sit

2428
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:02,079
back and wait for the bomb.

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01:53:02,279 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 3: Well you have more.

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01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 4: You have now like less than ten guys with three

2431
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:08,199
hundred batting averages in each league, and people miss old

2432
01:53:08,199 --> 01:53:11,000
school baseball. You can't manage along with a game anymore

2433
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,840
like you could twenty years ago, because why because analytics

2434
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,079
are out of ten? Can we just scale it back

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01:53:16,119 --> 01:53:16,920
to with seven?

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01:53:17,079 --> 01:53:19,680
Speaker 2: I think the reason why baseball isn't successful anymore in

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01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:22,359
terms of the American culture is because there's more guys

2438
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:24,560
like me that have a d D that can't sit

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01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,199
through a damn baseball game. I can't sit through.

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01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:29,840
Speaker 4: They have now like two and a half hours now.

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01:53:29,359 --> 01:53:32,560
Speaker 2: The faster they have improved, they've really improved.

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01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:33,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the clocks.

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01:53:33,399 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, you.

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01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Football is a perfect American sport because the play lasts

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01:53:37,279 --> 01:53:40,479
for five to ten seconds and then there's a minute break,

2446
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:43,279
the last we get to yell about that player right

2447
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:44,960
all again.

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01:53:45,079 --> 01:53:48,039
Speaker 5: You know, and the clock there's perfect breaks for bathroom.

2449
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:51,079
Speaker 2: Your mind is continuously you have the score.

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01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:56,119
Speaker 3: You also have gambling. Now to that is it?

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01:53:56,199 --> 01:53:59,520
Speaker 2: So? I was gonna say we'll wrap it up. Say

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01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:02,720
I'm good you sure? Yeah? Yeah, I just been saying.

2453
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:08,479
That's why I watch baseball. Team used to be the mess.

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01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,640
Speaker 3: I sometimes I'll throw a ball game on while I work,

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01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:14,319
And the only reason I do that is because it's

2456
01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:16,520
old squad. I'm not even paying attention, but once in

2457
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:18,600
a while, I like the old the sound of a

2458
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,000
baseball game. I don't know what that is, Tiger. He

2459
01:54:21,079 --> 01:54:22,600
used to love Phil Rizzuto when he did.

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01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:26,199
Speaker 5: Think I like the word your happy anniversary, mister and missus.

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01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:30,079
Speaker 4: Claire Smith of Washington Heights seventy two years they've been married,

2462
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:31,560
is madically popped this one up.

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01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 2: For the empty nester. Greg Connor is always good.

2464
01:54:37,039 --> 01:54:40,359
Speaker 3: The Buffalo Bill's looking pretty good.

2465
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say pretty good.

2466
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,319
Speaker 4: I think Steelers have problems.

2467
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:45,359
Speaker 2: Quarterback problems.

2468
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:48,720
Speaker 3: I got yeah for Dan Brillo who always brings it

2469
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:53,520
and has his Wyomi hat on. Bill Moran will see tomorrow, Old.

2470
01:54:53,399 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 5: Dam know what to do TV, you.

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01:54:59,199 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 3: Bad man?

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01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 5: Spend yeahm