Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice
mixed in some vodka colored. A podcast from the Mac
of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor
Chrysler Dots jeep Ram. It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome.
Speaker 3: Thanks for getting your pot on, Thanks for telling a friend.
That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Oh,
Danny's here, and he's got you know what I love with.
Danny's got a array of hats that I've never seen before.
This one is a Wyoming hat, right talent, and I
saw when I was out. Greg Connors is here, The
empty Nester is here.
Speaker 2: The empty nest.
Speaker 3: Is all the Wyoming jerseys that came out of nowhere.
Oh yeah, like no one was normal. The poor guy
was in college. No one paid any attention. Now, Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: There's more Wyoming jerseys than you b jerseys in Western
New York.
Speaker 3: Did you know? Including the team know right, there's mister
nfl as a guy who, yes, he comes in here,
he stops in all the time, just stops in, sits
down and just starts ranting.
Speaker 2: But he yes, but he never heard of him.
Speaker 3: He was a guy who was always on called different
radio shows and exports shows, all these things. But he
went to Wyoming. He played football a Wyoming. I didn't
know that thing he did. He played football at Wyoming
back in he was a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Really I knew. I knew he played quarterback seventy one
seventy somewhere around in the early originally from this area.
Speaker 3: He's originally from Long Island, came up here, went to
Aquinas as an Aquinas grad and grew up in Fairport.
But his father said, nope, I want you to go
into Aquinas and that's where he went. No, kid, Yeah, interesting,
it is interesting. So I don't know if this is
an act of getting old or not, but I'm finding
things that annoy me more and more. And one of
the things that really annoys me is gum on the ground, right,
people just spitting their gum out. And I'll put it,
I can't stand that dog shit on the sidewalk. When
I'm out either walking or jogging, I'll see these little
turns and then this one sounds strange. But graffiti, now
I I don't mind. Like when it's a big mural
and it looks good and it's a piece of art.
I I kind of I can understand that that I get,
but when it's just somebody's tag for their ego or whatever,
and it just it just looks like, shit.
Speaker 5: Where do you see?
Speaker 2: Where'd you see that? Well? I'm walking in here.
Speaker 3: Uh, this has been about almost two weeks now and
it's been bugging me. I. So there was somebody talking
very loudly on their cell phone, and I hear these
two guys, two young guys, talking about the person who's
talking loudly, like they're walking out and there. I mean,
they are loud. You can't not hear this. No they're not,
but they're just that person's very loud.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't.
Speaker 5: My hearing sucks.
Speaker 3: So you can't hear you talk loud? You do do that.
So I see these guys and they're down past. They're
waiting for Chinese food. They're outside the Chinese restaurant. It's
a Sunday. Because I was setting the MIC's back up,
and I don't forget where we had been, but I
was setting some stuff up, and so I had to
make a couple of trips back to the to the
jeep and then come back in and back to jeep,
and I noticed that. I'm looking down there and I go,
are they drawing on the top of the red garbage can?
There's a garbage can there, and I'm thinking, and I
almost yelled out, like in my dad voice, Hey, what
are you doing? Yeah? And I kept thinking, and I
looked like one of them had like a big marker
in their hand, and it looked like and then all
of a sudden he stopped doing whatever, and the other
guy steps up and they're doing it. And I'm thinking, nah,
I'll just keep my mouth shut. But for whatever reason,
they kept bugging me and bugging me, bugging me. So
I see them leave and I wait about ten minutes
and I go down there, and sure as shit, they
had graffiti the top of the garbage can. Really yeah,
And I don't know why it bugs the shit in
It meant nothing. It was done in like graffiti, but
there was no artistic value to it. It was not
there was some kind of message about that somebody loves somebody.
I couldn't tell. I'm like, what the I almost yelled like,
I go, And then I thought, what if I did
what happens next? What happens next? Because they're young, guys,
because then I'm going they'll probably come down.
Speaker 2: When you say young, you mean high school young, I
knowledge young.
Speaker 3: I don't know because one of them had facial hair
and the other guy looked like he couldn't grow facial hair,
so I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Tell if they were. You know, sometimes at fifteen, some
guy hits.
Speaker 3: Puberty and his whole body just explodes and there's fur everywhere,
and somebody else not so much. So I have no idea.
I don't know how old they were, but it was
bugging me and bothered me and I and I'm bothered
that I didn't say anything, because when I walk down there,
I go, God, that just shits up an area to me.
Speaker 2: So if the boys were here, they would tell you that.
I always say I say stuff, yeah, and oftentimes, and
depending on where I am, i'll say so. Sometimes I
won't for fear of my safety.
Speaker 3: But well, I was thinking, like, I don't want retribution.
I don't want well, drawing on the windows, you know,
smashing something.
Speaker 2: Because you don't want anything to escalate.
Speaker 3: No, But they didn't look like guys who would be
escalating anyway.
Speaker 2: They were you know, just too so dumb, you know,
for me, it's like, well, then let them know that
what they're doing is intacceptable.
Speaker 3: Come on, And I know it sounds like an old
man thing, but I was like, god that, why does it?
Speaker 2: It just seems to.
Speaker 3: When you see graffiti, it's in certain neighborhoods, and you go,
I know what neighborhood this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, my trip to New York it was like this
always saw for the first hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you get used to it.
Speaker 4: And I said to my wife, it's all looks the same,
none of it. I mean it's all bubble letters and yeah,
it all looks the same. There's no street art. But
then I go, why do they call it tagging? Soft
in the blow?
Speaker 3: Like for somebody's name, and it all does is like
feed somebody's ego. I don't know who looks at this,
but like, you know, well, Jamison was getting really into
graffiti at one point, and he came up with like
his own on my car, Yeah, because he did do
it on the sink at school and got into a
lot of time. Oh my god, he had his own
his own thing. Portlain. Second, I'm like, we don't need
to be shipping.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you got in trouble for you. The thing
is that if you gotta tag and the people see it,
they know you did it. Right. My old thing is
I always say come on, yes, that's come on.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna. I was about to go hey,
because I was gonna, hey, what are you guys doing? Like,
I'm just thinking, this is a nice area. We don't need,
you know. It's not like they were doing it on
a brick wall out in front here, but they were was.
Speaker 2: On the top of the carbs camp.
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, it annoyed me, and I go, come
an old man, they're comeback to be Yeah, but it's garbage.
Well right, it's the garbage lid. It just looks shitty.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, just like shitty.
Speaker 2: I'm going you can.
Speaker 3: Tell a lot about neighborhood when you walk in there,
you know, if they have barbed wire or bars on
the windows, something that you go, okay, I'm expecting graffiti
will be the next thing, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Which oftentimes happens. Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just just an old man observation. I was like,
I saw that. I go, man, I'm still annoyed that
I didn't say anything.
Speaker 2: So if you see somebody harassing somebody on a yes,
then you say stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've even had an incident when I was married
where we were leaving Dix and I think it was
the Dicks of Henrietta, and we watched these kids, what
thought you met? Like graffiti?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, somebody has washed their car.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I had a car break down in
the in the Pontillo's at the Base and I needed
to get like a toe or whatever, and I left
it there and it had lightly snowed. Those guys who
owned the restaurant, like Steve and his son. His son
went out and drew a giant penis that's just shooting
like seamen or whatever out in the snow.
Speaker 2: It was. It was, it couldn't help it.
Speaker 3: I had it was uh no, this was leaving Dix
and these kids chased another group of kids out to
the car and we're leaving and Jenna's yelling something about
you gotta you gotta do something. You guys are like
what am I So finally now I'm like so annoyed.
I whip back into a parking lot and I jump
out and y'll, hey, cut it out, and they all
just sort of looked at me, and a couple of
the other guys walked away, and I'm like, that could
have gone terribly wrong, like completely terribly wrong, and yet
I got my adrenaline. I got so jacked up over
over shit.
Speaker 4: It could have turned into a George from Seinfeld moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be the big man here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then George.
Speaker 2: That's why I've come to learn. If you when when
I say come on, yeah, because then because then, I
mean you say that, people are be like, yo, what, well.
Speaker 3: You know what you're doing wrong?
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be doing it right. And if they say
mind your own business, it's like, yeah, but stop doing
what you're doing. You know you shouldn't be doing it
right exactly. And then you know, one time I was like,
do I have to call the cops? And somebody was like, oh, we.
Speaker 3: Are you some big man.
Speaker 2: You're gonna come over here, We're gonna take care of you.
And I was like, well, you're gonna have to talk
to the cops then, because I'm gonna call the cops
right now. Stop what you're doing. I'm gonna call the cops.
Speaker 3: Is there a way to gently like walk go, hey,
what you're drawing?
Speaker 4: Man, I'm sure fellas you know this is a nice
drawn Yeah, you know what would be better?
Speaker 2: You did this? Yeah? Nice.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that because I was all I was
so close to hey, what are you doing? I was
so close to doing that, and I didn't. And I'm
annoyed that I didn't, because I go, this is where
we work, this is you know, take a little pride.
That's the biggest problem I have. I think now in
certain areas is no pride. Nobody gives a ship. Yeah,
I tell that right.
Speaker 2: Well, you can also tell the way kids finish their
jobs or failure to finish their jobs or their tasks.
You know, clean your room, yes, or pick up the
sidewalk or pick the trash out. You know, it's like
do everything, don't do You know you're gonna say something damn.
Speaker 5: But well no, no, no, no, like I was.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: They say, when you're driving, people get road rage, right,
especially if they've been driving a long time. They say, like, so,
what's your instant reaction? Somebody cuts you off, you hit
your horn, you flip them the bird? They say, actually,
that just emboldens people to be angry er. Yeah, said Instead, though,
if you give them a thumbs down out the window.
Then they actually feel bad, like, oh, was that a
bad move on my driving? Like now you're thinking to
yourself in your head, maybe I'm not a great driver
for a second and then but you're not reacting anger.
Speaker 5: Who's my point is? Is there a way to kind.
Speaker 3: Of get the There is? But I think most people
in the moment aren't gonna. I mean it's hard. Yeah,
you know what, it takes less to do this than
it does to do this. True, what have I got
a rotator cuff problem?
Speaker 4: Or when I'm driving at a Fairport they got that
sign like the smiley face. If you do over like
like five miles an hour, it gives you.
Speaker 3: The mad face.
Speaker 5: I feel bad, but I will tell you I'm speeding.
Speaker 4: I gotta slow down.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. I feel bad.
Speaker 3: So it does that on two point fifty coming into
Fairport and thirty one coming into Fairport and I or
is that thirty one f I can never I always
have to slow down, so I get the smiley face.
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Today I was a little freaked out because the car
behind me pulls out and it wasn't raining, or maybe
it was lightly raining, and their winshel wipers are going
on high and I'm thinking did something break on their
car because they're I could see it on my roof
view and they're right on my bumper. And especially when
I came up to that sign, I'm doing thirty nine,
I go, I don't want to get the front I
don't want to get the front face right right, jam
on the brakes almost and that guy was practically in
the back seat. But I'm like, you know this right
speed limits thirty safe. You're right, that's a that's a
fair point. Like does that have a bigger impact thumbs
down versus the middle finger?
Speaker 2: Well, that kind of goes towards. One of the things
I always try to tell the boys is, you know,
Luke is like a superhero, right he goes in He
always tries to help people. That's his thing. And Luke's
a tough kid, but he's a teenager. And my whole
thing was he would be he would go help someone,
he would get in trouble, and it's like, no, you
have to understand what the authority is. You have to
understand what the process and the structure is, and then
you got to use that to achieve whatever it is.
You're trying to do, but trying to help somebody, you
can't necessarily jump in and then beat the person upright,
beating the other person up, because then you're the one
who's gonna get in trouble. You go to you want
to stop it, you want to prevent it, but you
also then want to call the authorities. You have to
go to the authoritative figure in school, it's you know, teacher, principal, whoever,
when you're out in the general community, you down that
one to one, right, Like, that's what you do. And
he's like, I don't want to call the cops because
I don't want to get in trouble from the cops.
I'm like, quote, they're the ones who are going to
help him protect you. That's what the process. That's what
you have to do, exactly, and as long as you're
not doing things wrong, you shouldn't worry about it. Now,
him being multi racial, I think he probably has certain sensitivities,
but you know, it's like, look, that's what you have
to do. You have to become comfortable and trust that process.
And now with him being away from school, one of
the things did I tell you the story about he
was at school for about forty five minutes. We're we're
driving back home. I don't have my phone on. I
get home and I look at my phone and I
get a text from Luke. Hey, Dad, I walked into
a glass door and broke up my lip. And I'm thinking,
oh my god, who did he piss off? In forty
five minutes?
Speaker 3: What you know?
Speaker 2: What happened? Well, he was walking out the door and
went to push the door bar. But the doorbar wasn't
the bar that opens the door. It was a lever
and he just pushed it and then kept walking. The
door didn't open, ran right into he goes. I wish
him for something else. I could tell you that happened,
but it's not it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'd be more proud of me if
I got into a fight.
Speaker 3: How many times have you seen that? After though, Oh
my god, right, we've done it.
Speaker 4: I've run into a glass door before, I tell you myself,
I have.
Speaker 2: I really prepared my son to go to school, right,
that's the scary part. What are you gonna do.
Speaker 5: Forty five minutes into his college career?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it happens. That's that's just it's what happens.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think he prepared the kids. What
is it like now? Are you feeling uneasy? Do you
have like you know, are you lost in a why?
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, you know, I text you earlier
to yay. I'm like, am I overly emotionally dependent on
having my kids around me? Because with Will being gone?
Will went to take his girlfriend back to college. So
I'm this is like, I'm alone now, and I'm like,
I feel, you know, lonely.
Speaker 3: I was gonna I've got two dogs.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I should feel lonely. The ox is.
Speaker 3: Always like, yeah, you like having people around and stuff.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I was just like holy shit.
And then I'm like, wow, am I overly dependent? I've
become too dependent on my kids?
Speaker 3: I texted you to I go, I just love them, right,
you just love them?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But every I have, every parent I've talked to who
has all their kids have gone on and let they
have that same feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so it's been you know, it's it's different.
It's a whole different mindset for me. Well, I text Greg.
Speaker 3: And said, do something that you can't do when the
boys around, and I was gonna say, now you can
walk around naked, skinny, dip in your pool. But I
go that maybe a little too much. So I just
said to do what I you know what that is.
I don't know what it is, but I'm like, those
are the things you want to do. Yeah, enjoy the
peace and quiet, stretch out, take a nap. Yeah, it's uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I've always been going, going, going, Yeah, and
when it hasn't been work, it's always been spending time
with the kids and just doing stuff. So you know,
today I worked out. I was doing work when we talked,
and then I was getting done and I'm like, all right, now,
normally I'll go down and I annoy the kids. We
go outside and we'd play in the pool or do something,
play corn hole or you know, we do something. But yeah,
it was, uh, it's it's it's when it is an adjustment,
that's an adjustment. I'm going to do the.
Speaker 3: Adjustment in a week. The other way I got one
around all the time.
Speaker 5: Now the reverse reverse.
Speaker 3: I want to call it isn't it is that way?
Speaker 2: And I told Bill, knowing what that's like, and enjoy
I enjoy that, I do, you know, I've i spent
every weekend with my kids since they were born, because
I was never one work to do sleepovers and stuff.
It just wasn't my thing.
Speaker 3: I you know, it's because you're Italian.
Speaker 2: We don't do sleep I just don't. My mom didn't
let it do it for me.
Speaker 3: I just didn't do it. But we wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: They didn't want me going over to people's houses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like, I want to see my kids.
I'm work a lot, so I don't see them. I
want to see them. So if I see him in
a way, go to bed, I see him.
Speaker 3: They wake up.
Speaker 2: And so now when they'm calling them, like what the hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, where are they at? I know it's it's quiet.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what given like three weeks yeah, right,
or or by Thanksgiving when they come home and go,
but god, I can't wat you guys leave.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny. It's funny, Bill because as
throughout the summer with graduation parties and their friends and
their girlfriends and all that. I mean, I was, I
was like fourth on the pecking order in terms of priorities. Yeah,
and I and I and I said to their mom,
I was like, you know, this is I'm imagining what
they're putting us through and her through. Now is kind
of like when you were going through pregnancy in the
sense that you were uncomfortable, you had all these things
that kept you up. And you know how they say
that prepares you for when they come. And then and I'm like,
I'm like, they're so annoying. I was like, just get
the hell out. Yeah, I never because I knew it
was coming. But I was like, yeah, it's the same
type of mindset that they have.
Speaker 3: And now and now that it's happened, it's like, shit, yeah,
well this is time. This is your time, man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and football season coming, so you know when Luke
playing football down Alfred Will at Penn State, the Bills,
I've got, you know, football every weekend from Nabsville Love Valentine's.
You're booked. It's all good, it'll be fun.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We watched the preseason last night. I'll tell you that
Mitch Trubisky scares me a little bit. Oh he did
not look good at all. But there were a couple
guys I thought because I thought Russeau played pretty well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was only in for like eleven like pressures on.
Speaker 5: Seven a half six, Hey, what do you been the
last year?
Speaker 2: Davis? I thought looked great. Yeah, I mean I really did.
Speaker 3: He ran a nice cut.
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this act during camp time,
but I thought Ray Davis during camp was probably the
really displayed himself as this is the solid draft picked
that they picked him at. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem with Ray Davis during camp is they put
the ball on the ground four times in two weeks, right,
So that's kind of like, come on, man. And he
had a great run in the Red and Blue scrimmage
in Buffalo. It was like the second play was in,
he had like a sixty five yard run. But at
the end of the play I can't remember who was
came from behind him knocked the ball out and I
was like, come on, we already have a.
Speaker 3: Guy for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you already had two for that single pair
we dumped. Yeah, and now he started for the Giants,
you know, and Moss was the same thing, and you know,
it's like, come on, so but he held the ball
yesterday he played well, you know, disappointing and cook a
little bit. But but the person that disappointed me the most,
the person that actually gave me a lot of pause
because I had to rewatch it when we were at
the at at our friend's event, and so I had
to rewatch it the person that gave me the pause,
and I'm and I'm I'm concerned. Is Kean g me
that ball in the A zone?
Speaker 3: He did, but it looked like it was just out
of his reach.
Speaker 2: This is my this is my thing, and you could.
I watched that probably ten times because what he didn't
do is he didn't extend. He had alligator arms. Now,
I think if he ran across the field deeper into
the safety, if he took two more strides towards the safety,
it would have been a fifty to fifty battle of
him in the safety. But in that slot where Trubisky
threw it, he could have gotten his head ripped off,
which he almost did, but he didn't. Even it was
alligator arms. It was a bad throw. I didn't know
a lot of that was a bad throw.
Speaker 3: When I first saw it and I saw him sort of,
it looked like he reached back.
Speaker 2: Did he reach back? Well, what was high? Yeah? It
was high in a little to the center of the field,
which is the difference between a number one quarterback who's
a top ten guy, who's his second string or a
you know, bottom twenty twenty five there. So that was
the one thing. And but you know, if if if
they can identify that's what he can't do, then you
just put him the situation right rather than running that slant,
run him to the corner, run the post corner and
get him high. Get because keon kN knocket. And if
you watch the way he ran the route, it was
one of the worst route runs. I mean he didn't
even he didn't drive left and plant and then come
back hard. He took like a quick stutter step and
then came back. It's like, come on, man, the guys
in guys in Division III football, due that's move you
gotta you gotta drive and then you gotta come off,
create the separation and then and then get it. He
didn't do that, which that that that in combination of
how I went to catch the ball. It's like, look,
if that's not if he can't run that route, put
the ball high man hes separation.
Speaker 5: When you watch.
Speaker 3: It, when you watch it again, you have nobody to
yell out of the house an he wore Is it
just the dog?
Speaker 2: What is he doing well, I'm doing that even if
they're not in the house.
Speaker 3: We're at somebody's engagement. They're having a little gathering for
their engagement last night, and we're watching the game and
his Tony Filets just wonderful and Mary Allen and he's
just this beautiful woman. They're getting they're engaged, and he's
watching the game and will every once in a while
you hear Greg kind of get pipe up all of
a sudden, like, come on, and we'll go.
Speaker 2: Jack, break it down, bring it, bring it down. I
would never we were at a bar. We were at
a bar. I could never tell my upstairs and we
were at the bar. We're at Barbelle, and you know,
and there's other people there who we don't know, and
he's just like, this is so embarrassing. I mean, it's
like he just he's so funny. That's just me, man.
Speaker 4: I don't even ninety of the people in that bar
are thinking the same thing.
Speaker 3: Well, they were upstairs. We were upstairs at an event.
So people well, there were a lot of Dallas cowboy
fans there because Greg brings out some cowboys hat right,
excuse me, Buffalo Bill's hats and shirts and stuff. And
this one young woman wanted one, and then her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Or her fiance, her daughter, her daughter's fiance. No boys,
not in our house.
Speaker 4: There's a viral picture going around. I retweeted it of
two guys going to college. I don't know what college
are going to. Their roommates, the freshmen they just met.
One's a Michigan fan, one's an Ohio State fan. They
both have huge flags over their bed. And this guy rights,
this is not gonna go well.
Speaker 2: School either one of the state, either one of I
gotta look it up, but they do Northwestern. Yeah, okay,
that's oh my gosh, Yeah, that's mundy. That's hilarious. We'll
take a moment. We're going to talk to uh.
Speaker 3: There was a whole whole bunch of stuff happening in
the city, but the idea of bail reform, and a
nineteen year old girl died as a result of a shooting.
She was not the intended target, became a target. And
Frank Imbrino is the is an our captain, and he's
going to talk to us, and I think we're going
to have to say from the beginning that these are
Frank's opinions, not the opinion of the Rochester Police Department. Yeah,
you know, he and I have talked about that already,
So we'll give him a call and just kind of
get into this because he was quoted in a local
article about this, and just as to what bail reform
was supposed to be and what it's kind of become
seems to be two different things. And we'll get his
on that.
Speaker 2: And with you as a lawyer here too, And I
know that's not.
Speaker 3: The law you practice, but I think you would be
familiar with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will get to all that right after this.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be along another graveyard ship. As he says
goodbye to his wife and kids. It's been his live,
just like his dad, having a way under the weight
to the badge. George straight the way to the badge.
Speaker 3: And I think the beginning of the video they show
New York State troopers. Oh really yeah, I think showing
in the video you realize how.
Speaker 4: Big George strait is in parts of the country, Yes,
like Texas and Tennessee.
Speaker 5: No, he's huge.
Speaker 3: Frank Lombrino is a captain with the Rochester Police Department.
He was quoted in an article about the shooting in
a Beechwood neighborhood. But what we talk about a lot,
and we've talked about a lot, and we've had different
law enforcement on to talk about bail reform. So in
twenty nineteen, New York ended the use of money bail
and jail for most cases involving misdemeanors and lower level feltings.
Speaker 2: And the idea was.
Speaker 3: More that people have jobs, what's the point of incarcerating them,
And it sort of it seemed if you had the means,
you could get out of jail, if you didn't have
the means you could, So they were trying to even
the playing field and focus more on the crimes. From
what I understand, and I think this law, I don't
even know that everybody fully understands it who has to
implement it, But I think this law has been changed
three times since twenty twenty when it went into effect
in January of twenty twenty. And I think they've even
now tried to carve out some things where there are
cases where you can hold somebody for bail, but I
don't understand how in the Beechwood case, from what I'm
reading the shooting, these are almost seems like at nineteen,
it's hard to say that somebody has a career as
a criminal, but they seem to be career criminals and
with more on that is. Frank Lombrino, Good afternoon, captain.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm good, guys, how you doing doing well?
Speaker 3: Great? Connors from Connors and Ferris is in here as well.
And Dan Burrillo, who is part of the podcast on
a regular basis and has done radio with me for
many years over time. But can you talk a little
bit about this because I think in the article you
even said that the family of the nineteen year old
is pissed is the word you used over the fact
that these guys who have had I think they've been
out on illegal possession charges before. I think there was
also burglary. I think there might have been an assault
on one of these on a record of one of
the young men. I don't know if you can kind
of speak to that.
Speaker 6: Sure, well, you know I ken say, is both of
these guys, they were both twenty one years old. They
both had multiple prior flony convictions already, and like I
think I had mentioned, it's not easy in New York
State to get a felony conviction, and for these guys
to have at least two felony convictions already at the
young age of twenty one is super impressive, you know,
when speaking about one of the defenders, mister Horton, he
had been incarcerated, he'd been in prison for a short
period of time. When he was in prison, he got
arrested at least a couple different times for assaulting other inmates.
Yet he was still paroled while he was on parole.
He actually, and this is what is really aggravating, nineteen
days before mass Isaac got shot and killed needlessly, he
got locked up on a stolen moped by his parole officers,
driving the long way down a one way street in
the city of Rochester.
Speaker 2: The reason that violated his parole doing.
Speaker 6: That absolutely, I mean, he violated the law and he
was violating his parole. Now it's important to note that
you know, the reason that parole and the RPD officers
were targeting him, if you will, is because they knew
that he was involved in a bunch of bad stuff,
shootings and everything else. So they were targeting him, they
were watching him. They catch him right handed on a
stolen bike, charge him, put him in jail, and you know,
less than twenty four hours he's out of jail. And
you know, to me, that's disgusting. Clearly he violated his parole.
Clearly he should have been locked up and at least
held for a little while. Was twenty four hours, and
yet he's out on the streets and ends up killing innocent,
beautiful young girl and seriously wounds two young men.
Speaker 3: Why is it then? Because of the judge and from
what I've read and I tried to do some research
to have a little bit of an understanding of the law,
it sounds like there are cases that you can hold
people with bail and the criteria is met by these
two young guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, in addition, they also, you know, mister
Horten also had a benchmark in history. Now, who is
eligible for bail? Who is not eligible for bail? Honestly,
I have no idea anymore. People talk about it, and
you see some guys getting locked up on gun charges
and they got a decent amount of bail set. You
got other guys getting locked up on gun chargers and
the judges releasing them on their own recognisance.
Speaker 2: So these are our opinions, yes, yes, yes, nothing to
do with I mean, it's like, here's my opinion, your
opinion and the officer's opinion is is that's what we
think there's no you know, the police department, in the
DA's office, they make decisions that affect their areas, and
the judges, you know, I mean his frustration for me,
I feel myself, and it's like, what's the The law
is written and it's supposed to be interpreted as black
and white, yes, but there's so much gray that goes
into it, and he's even talking about how that gray is.
And so these are our opinions, not not necessarily policies
of in the individual Organization's unfair. I think that's probably
I think, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you on that.
I just wanted to No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's in You're one hundred percent right. I'm
not here to talk about what the actual law says.
What I'm here to say is I see them both.
So that leads me to believe the a lot of
it is a judge's discretion. If you've got some guys
getting bail set and other guys getting released on the
road and recognizance on the same charges, then you know,
not any happily intelligent person would say, yeah, I think
that's not the judge.
Speaker 3: Frank, how many years have you been in uniform?
Speaker 6: Thirty two years.
Speaker 2: Thirty two years.
Speaker 6: Actually it'll be thirty two in November.
Speaker 2: The thank you, Yeah, so thirty two years.
Speaker 3: This law changes in theory, in theory, would you agree
with the law and and how? Was explained to me
by Mayor Evans a long time ago, was if somebody
steals a pack of gum, we don't want to prevent
them from missing work and not being able to meet
the rent or being around family. And the idea was,
I think that if you let low level offenders, nonviolent misdemeanor,
low level felonies out, that you would have the family
support and they usually I don't know how they study
this stuff, but I thought it was they were less
likely to be repeat offenders.
Speaker 2: That was the.
Speaker 6: Less Yes, So the theory is theory is great. That
you know, we don't want anybody sitting in jail for
stealing a pack of gum. So if they steal a
pack of gum every day, that's another story.
Speaker 2: Right, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Yes, with a fresh breath. But I don't understand. So,
so what happens, because if this is at the judges discretion,
as you're saying, some are in somewhere out like these
two guys seem to meet the criteria of the law
as it's written, with the changes and the carve outs
that have been made to since twenty twenty, they seem
to have me and met all the criteria to be
held in jail on bail.
Speaker 6: And yet well, yeah, the one different thing with mister
Horton is when we talk about less is more, let's
forget bat reform for a minute. Less is more. There
was certain parole reforms that were put in a place
with lesss more. Now, I'm not a parole officer, and
you know, I can't tell you all the intricate details
about it, but what I can tell you is, prior
to less is more being passed, I think it was
maybe March of twenty twenty two. Prior to that, you
get a poole lee on a violation, he's going to
get held in custody until he is appears before a
parle judge or administrator, whatever you want to call them.
Because less is more. Somebody that gets picked up on
a parole violation, they have to appear before either a
city or county courtyard, depending on what day of the
week they get arrested, within twenty four hours, and that
city or county court judge then says whether or not
they get held on that parle violation. So that's a
huge change, unless it's more that a lot of people
don't know about it.
Speaker 3: So it's got to be within twenty four hours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, for for a violation, for you know,
we say a technical violation, and you know, we can
argue this all day long, right, but is.
Speaker 3: There a chance that don't think there's no room for
that for a judgment, is that they don't have their
dockets are full, that they're not going to be able
to see somebody within that twenty four hour or is
that or am I no?
Speaker 6: They they have to. That's why it's either county, coart
or city court has said beliast seven days a week now.
Speaker 2: So they'll they'll adapt, they'll adopt to that, and they'll
have court administration that will take care of it. And
you know, one of the things this is again this
is just my perception of how things go within the
legal system, is that when you judges have discretion, okay,
and when you give someone discretion their own life experiences
and their own life objectives or ideals of things. You know,
some people would say political ideologies and whatnot influence way
they make their decisions. I see it on my side
what I do all the time. I mean, it's like,
it's it's unbelievable to think that you can have the
same law and one judge can make one decision and
very similar, if not identical facts. Another judge can make
a completely different decision. The law gives them that ability
to do that. To me, is that that's what's inconsistent
with why the law was written.
Speaker 3: It's interesting as you're saying that, I'm thinking of the
Supreme Court not to drift off into here, but no,
it's true why we have so many judges then writing
the decisions and deciding what's going to happen, because not
everybody sees everything the same.
Speaker 2: Way, right, And that's why there's always an odd number
when it comes to those appellate rights. And oftentimes when
you see those decisions written, it's got political, ideological, you know,
tentacles to it. Yeah, and it's not that it's politics.
Is that people have a mindset of how things should
go in society in different things, and it's unfortunate when
it comes to situations like what he's talking about, just
you know, somebody needlessly lost their life. Yeah, well see then.
Speaker 3: It's like, why that's the thing? And Frank, I almost
feel like it's got to be. Is it harder today
to do your job?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you have no idea. And I couldn't.
I couldn't sit here and articulate in the ways in
which it's harder today than it was even five or
ten years ago. They've made it almost impossible, you know.
And when you talk about parole before of a probation
or this or that, I can pay it. In the
last five years, probably one in every four cases where
we've made an arrest the suspect has been on some
type of supervisor release. The fact, I think the exact
number is like twenty seven percent, you know, and that's
going back in the last five years, and that's a
big number.
Speaker 3: It's a big number. It feels like the number of
people committing the crimes that we hear about that make
the headlines of du La is pretty small compared to
the rest of the city. But I also feel like,
I remember somebody was in here and I forget who was.
They were trying to talk to Alney about bail reform
and what this means and this person is a surgeon
and he sees the bullet wounds come in and the
shootings and the victims right, and he's And they said
that they went out on the streets of Rochester and
they knocked on doors asking people, you know, do you
want more police or less police?
Speaker 2: More?
Speaker 3: And everybody on the street was like, more police. We
want to feel safe in our neighborhoods. That's the majority.
So it's the minority. It's a minority portion of the
city that's committing these crimes. But man, it is it's scary,
and it's hard to police when all of a sudden,
here's a guy who's out and out again and out again,
and I almost feel like, you know, it's that that
thing my mother used to say, if I give you
an inch, you're going to take a mile, right, I
mean at the same time, yeah, same kind of mentality
when nothing's being done. And I got to think that
I'll just ask you this. You don't have to necessarily answer.
How many police officers are just like, forgive my friends,
fucking I'm done. I can't do this.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, and again, we can go off in
a million different directions here, but you know, police officers
are not afraid of getting shot, right, Yeah, I mean
that's certainly we know that that's a risk that we
take when when we swore the old we understand that
that's not their biggest fear today. Their biggest fear is
doing the job that we want them to do and
that the community needs them to do, and then getting
second guests and now they're up on trial or they're
getting land based in social media. And you know, the
example that I like to give sometimes is there's a
car in front of me. Okay, I'm working in uniform.
There's a car in front of me. I know that
there's at least one or two guns in that car,
and there are a bunch of gang bangers, right, whether
it's because I just saw them on social media two
minutes ago, I know one hundred percent there's a gun
in that car. Now the car turns right. If I
turn right and I pull that car over, you know,
there's probably a fifty to fifty shot that I'm going
to get in a shootout, right, and that that somebody's
going to end up getting killed. And I'm willing to
take that chance that I'm going to win that fight.
But you know, what I'm not willing to do, and
I'm willing to put my family through what's going to
happen the next you know, six months, two years, while
everybody's second guess is what occurred? You know, that's that's
the fear that guys have. And you've still got guys
out there busting their bus doing the job, and you've
got guys turning right and pulling that car over. But
anybody who says there isn't you know some guys that
are like, you know what, it's not worth putting my life,
in my family's life on the line when I know
that I'm going to lock this guy up and he's
going to get let out tomorrow anyways, you know, and
they turn left. You know, it's it's a sad, sad,
scary time that we live in right now. And all
these things were passed with good intention, but there's a
lot of other ramifications that people did not think through.
People did not get input from who they should have
got input from before they pass these policies. You know,
on bail reform is the same thing. Nobody thinks, there's no
police officer you're going to find it, says somebody that
steals a pack of gum should be held in jail
for thirty days, sixty days, or a year. Nobody's going
to say that, right, But you're also also you get
locked up for a gun that there needs to be
at least a cool off period for God's sakes, right,
you know, at least more than twenty four hours that
you're being held. You know, people have good most people
have good intentions. They're just not educated enough. And it's
not through any fault of their own because they're getting
bad information. They don't understand the ramifications of some of
these things that have been jammed, you know, down our
throats the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you almost, And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure some politicians have done rhinolongs and things,
but it's the closest thing I can think to walking
in your shoes to see.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they don't.
Speaker 6: You know, they don't do that very often. And you know,
I'd like to know who they talked to when they
come up with some of these crazy ideas, because it
seems like everything that happens in New York State is
done for suspects and for the bad guys. They don't
do anything for victims or for victims families. I can't
think of one piece of legislation that's been passed, you know,
in the last bunch of years it's done anything for
victims or their families.
Speaker 3: What do you say to the what do you say
to officers when they you know, as they're dealing with
this kind of stuff. What support is there? Because you're right,
I mean social media. Now, whether you're an athlete, right,
we can rip on somebody dropped the pass in the
game and we can get right to their person in
their pocket and let them know how we feel. But
you can do the same thing with someone who's trying
to keep the community safe. And you know, we could
point out all the things that the person who maybe
now is seen as the victim, broke the law in
so many different circumstances, in so many different ways, and
they go, hey, this was a bad person we didn't
want on the streets. And yet now now it's you know,
they're victimized. We shouldn't have we, you know, I mean,
I'm thinking of a case right here in the city
of Rochester where there was somebody high on PCP running
around jumping and all of a sudden, you know, there's
an arrest and the person winds up because of the drugs.
Speaker 2: Dying. And yet boy, there was a I think hell the.
Speaker 6: Peg for that, Yeah, there was, there was. And you know,
again there's people who aren't properly informed and don't know
all the facts that are jumping to conclusions. And you know, unfortunately,
there's a certain segment of the community, in a small segment,
who hates the police. They hate anything the police do,
and the police they are never going to do anything
right in their eyes. And we know who those people are, right,
that's the small percentage of people that live in our community.
The vast majority of people support the police, need the police,
love the police. But you know, those people go to
work every day, they actually have jobs, they have families,
and you know, they can't be as active on social
media as that small percentage are. Who are the haters
always will be the haters. And you know, as far
as to your question, how do you motivate you know,
the officers to do their job. You know, it's certainly challenging,
but they you know, and most of our officers they
plug along. They know that they have a job to do.
They know that the community needs them and if the
community wants them to do their job. You know, I'll
never forget when I was in the in the vice squad,
we were doing you know, we would do search warks
on gating houses all the time, right, and it was
a thankless job. But what made it worth it is
when we're pulling away in the raid van and you
see the old lady behind her blinds, sneaking, sneaking a
peek and giving us the thumbs up because she had
to live next to that drug house, right, And we're filthy, dirty,
disgusting from searching this nasty house next door. But then
we see the old lady peeking her head out the
window giving us the thumbs up, and we're like, shit,
that's why we do the job, right, And and that's
what guys have to remember that are out there every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what would you like to see done happen with
bail reform? And I don't even know if if you
can answer that, but what would you like if you
could see happy with a lot like that?
Speaker 6: They they got to start from scratch again. I think
there was good intentions and there may have been a
few good things in bail reform, you know. But if
you want to get specific, you know, the first thing
is you get caught with a gun, you get caught
right handed with a gun, you got to get held,
you know, at least for a week or two weeks
or something, you know, because there needs to be a
coup op period. And that goes the same thing with
these guys in the prole violations. That makes it feel like.
Speaker 4: So much sense because I'd be like, you have to
wait forever to like get a gun permit, right, but
they're going to let you back out after you give it.
A crime allegedly with a gun, Well, shouldn't be this, listen.
Speaker 6: One interesting thing, Yeah, one interesting thing.
Speaker 7: Is everybody talks about your gun laws and we need
more gun laws, this and that. We don't need more
gun laws. We have to enforce the laws that are
currently on the books. You can pass any law you want.
If somebody breaks it and they're out of jail the
next day, what.
Speaker 6: Good is the law doing? And you know, and I've
been up in homicide I don't know ten twelve years
and throughout my career, I think I've had one murder
was committed with a legal handgun. And that's you know,
probably don't know a thousand murders and that was maybe,
I think two years ago on Hudson Avenue, you know,
other than and maybe a few domestics sprinkled through here
and there. But you know, one street crime, street murder
that was committed with the legal handguns out of a thousand,
that's not the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a lot of and a lot of people
in some of those communities have the illegal guns for
protection right right, the not the ones that are using
them to be more on the offensive side of it.
They're there for the defensive side of it because of
what's going on in their next to the next door neighbors.
And and you know, if you begin to as soon
as those people begin to feel more confident or comfortable
in terms of the enforcement of the law that those
who aren't have bad intentions can't get access to it
or the access and there's those gonna be the black market,
that there is some enforcement and that they're going to
be held accountable for those decisions, then I think you
start to see probably an erosion of people who are
doing it for protection reasons that don't have the aggressive
side of it. And that's probably The single biggest threshold
issue I see from the outside looking in to what
the police have to deal with is that side of it.
And when you have more guns out there, it's easier
for them, those who have bad intentions to get them. Yes,
it is. Well, it used to be.
Speaker 3: I thought that they would even tell you, like you
could find a gun. Guys would throw it in waste
baskets or something on a street corner and let someone
else know that the gun was there. It was almost
like a neighborhood I don't know if it's the neighborhood gun.
That sounds silly, but I mean, right, I mean I
thought that was. I thought that was part of the
case in the city of Rochester. I remember hearing that
or reading that.
Speaker 4: Martin case where the gun actually traveled to several different things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other the thing that's so uh, just
kind of disturbing, is it. I've never and this is
where I feel like I live in a bubble. I
never felt like I needed protection of any kind.
Speaker 2: So I'm the same way. But you know, my youngest
son is multiracial and he living in Pittsburgh, felt like
he needed to carry like he's you know, he loves
to hunt. But he carried a knife, not a gun,
but a knife. And I'm like, you're in Pittsburgh, what
the hell you need a knife for.
Speaker 3: You don't need a knife.
Speaker 2: And he was like, well, Dad, need I need to
be protected because there's a lot of white kids here
that don't like black people. And I'm like, yeah, but
that's what you have, the authorities for something happens, then
you call the cops, you call your parents. You know,
that's the whole thing about the authoritative structure we're talking
about earlier. But he that's the way he felt, and
he grew up with me, his entire life, eighteen years
with me. You're right.
Speaker 3: I mean that sort of gives you a good insight
to the mentality of I feel like I need this
to protect myself.
Speaker 2: But that's his mentality and he lives out here. Yes,
I mean, the kids that are in the city, that mentality,
I can't even imagine how amplified.
Speaker 6: Amplify a big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then their parents.
Speaker 6: What they say today, what these guys say now is
I'd rather get caught with the gun than without a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Heard that?
Speaker 3: Wow, that's it. Yeah, And perspective assured it. That's exactly
it is, exactly when they do the gun buybacks, Captain,
when they do you know, I know he's laughing, But
I've seen these like gun by Back and I'm always
amazed because on the news they show you a stockpilot
of we got an arsenal in the city.
Speaker 5: How how do you you don't know who's got one?
Speaker 4: Who doesn't free haircuts and pancakes for your goods?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying. But that's what it is.
And really is that enough incentive? Give me one, I
get a light, but fifty dollars Walmart gift card for
a gun? But yet you seem it seems like people
do come out of the woodwork with guns. And if
that's a portion of what was that like one percent
of what's on the street, I mean, how many people
I don't know.
Speaker 6: Let's put it this way. They have good intentions behind
the gun by Back. Yes, I'm gonna leave my comment
on that. Okay, you know the biggest thing is, you know,
you know, go back five ten years ago, people did
not want to get caught with a gun because they
knew that they were going to they were going to
be in jail for a decent amount of time. Right,
even if they're being held pre trial and they knew
that there was a chance they were going to if
the Fed picked up the case, they're going away for
five years to a federal prison. You know, if we
would make and I'd like to think that I was
more proactive in my younger days. If we made one
gun the rest of the week, that was a lot, right,
that was an achievement. Today you can go out and
pretty much stop it. You know, any car, if you
stop five cars, you're going to grab one of them.
It's got a gun in it. And there's no fear
for anybody getting caught with a gun today. And it's sad.
And I can't tell you how many murders we've had
over the last several years where if they weren't carrying
a gun, that the murder wouldn't have happen because they're
getting bumped into when they're walking out of the diner
on Monroe Avenue, or somebody looks at them wrong, or
they you know what I mean, Because they happen to
have a gun, they pull it out and they do
something stupid. There's no fear of get caught with the gun. Anymore. Well,
it's it's gone that.
Speaker 3: And as you're speaking, and I'm I'm you know, my
thoughts are kind of racing in my head here, but
I'm thinking about the lack of respect for life, almost
as those games.
Speaker 2: You're playing a video game, like these.
Speaker 3: People, when you're these this nineteen year old young woman,
they got caught in the crossfire, I'll say, uh, is
gone forever. And I don't know, does that register what
is the psyche of the citizen, of the young citizen
in the city that's committing these crimes. I it's really
somewhat disturbing in a way, and you almost wish that
how do you prevent Is there some sort of intervention
early on? And I'm sure this is studied, and I
know that there's been many attempts at different things, But boy,
I always thought like what Roland Williams was doing in
the city with the kids was building their self esteem
and making them feel better about themselves that they didn't
have to gravitate towards this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't that's huge. That's it's a huge,
and I think that's an important element of it. But
then you know, again, the access to the gun, and
then you know there's a there's a mental health component
to it, right with compulsivities and you know all that.
And then you have when you're under the age you know,
i'll say twenty one and younger perhaps maybe nineteen twenty
or younger, you don't you don't make decisions. You know,
you get caught into that. You know, like he says,
somebody bumps you, and then you're a man. You protect yourself.
You got to show you're a man. All of a
sudden you're making bad decision. Thirty seconds later there's another
quick bad decision, and all of a sudden, these are
these kids, lads are changed it.
Speaker 3: Like a first merge, right.
Speaker 6: You know, and make the same mistake twice right.
Speaker 3: Number two? Right now there you go gone, Well though,
no buy back with that wife by backing the wife
fifty to Walmart.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did that work.
Speaker 6: But a couple of interesting points that you just made,
and you made, you know, you know, programs like what
Roland Williams what to do and getting to these kids
when when they're a young age is critically important.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: And you know one other thing where I'll say, there's
a little bit of a disconnect. Your eighteen year old
today is not the same eighteen year old of ten
years ago. Their mentality, they are in the street world
and eight you know, a sixteen, seventeen year old is
you know, twenty five thirty years old. You know twenty
years ago is starting younger and younger. And one of
the things that's really frustrating for law enforcement, right and
when we talk, let's say raise the age these kids
are going to everybody. Every single kid makes a stupid mistake, right,
why do we not make the same mistake again, such
as getting married twice because there was well there was ramifications.
You know, you're fifteen years old and you get caught
steel on something. There was ramifications, right, so you're like, geez,
I don't want to do that again. Right now, you
have these fifteen sixteen year olds getting caught doing something
i e. Stealing a car, and absolutely nothing happens to them. Okay,
they get a they get in the police chase, they
can crash, and what happens to these kids They get
a piece of paper it shows them that tells them
to show off back in court. They're not learning their lessons.
So you know what happens and I've seen it time
and time again. Today they're stealing a car. Tomorrow they're
doing a car jacking. And then on Friday, guess what,
they shot and killed the guy during a car jacking.
And now, because we didn't intervene the first time that
that kid got arrested with a stolen car, we did
not intervene, We did not provide for him the services
that he needs maybe to get his shit together, and
now he's going to jail for murder and some innocent
person is dead. And that's where our system today is
broken down. We did you know, sometimes a fifteen or
sixteen year old kid needs to get put away to
Dreulie Albia for a week or two. And you know
how many times parents have pulled us take this kid,
take him and put him away. He needs to learn
a lesson, and we got to tell the parents sorry,
We got to give him a parents ticket. Here you go.
We are not helped. Everybody wanted to help these kids.
With these ragety age laws and some of the other things.
They're not helping these kids. They are hurting them. And
we're losing an entire generation. And we as adults are
not stepping up and providing for them the services they need. Unfortunately,
sometimes these kids are better off to be in a
facility that's treating them properly and giving them the help
that they need than they are being at home. And
there's nothing now to help these kids. And that's where
we've really lost it. And if we want to turn
things around, we need to start there first.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the one thing that any citizen can
do is you have a vote, and you've got to
you got to do some homework and find out the
representatives that are representing you and what they stand for
and where they are on these laws, especially if you're
living in communities where this is directly affecting.
Speaker 2: You well, and I would think even once that further.
You know, voting obviously is the power that you have,
but making your perspective and your experiences to the politicians
how the laws have affected you or the people around you,
I think can make even a stronger impact. You know,
Harry Bronson, who's a good friend of mine, works a
lot with the labor side of things within the New
York State. You know, we bring him examples of how
the laws that they've had, how they how it impacts
actually impacts people rather than the theory and the intention
of it, because the intention of it is great, but
the practicality of it is so different.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the phrase the road to hell is paved
with greater intentions? Yes, yes, absolutely, yes, yeah, communism sounds good.
Speaker 3: I think you you you've heard Frank Lombrino say, look, yes,
we don't want to lock a guy up. And then
the peking were common sense, just and I wish they
would do almost as Greg is saying, I wish you
would ride along with the officers, see what's happening, talk
to the people who are living in the streets, living
these streets, these these parts of the city that are
directly affected by this kind of crime, and see what
they say. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yes, because you just list nobody feels safe in a community,
everything else is going to go downhill, right one hundred.
People are going to want to send their kids to
schools there, People are not going to want to open
businesses there. Everybody needs to be safe. That that's the
first and foremost, and that's the primary role and responsibility
to government is to keep his citizens safe. And you know,
there's just in New York. We've just we've gone astray
and we just need common sense to come come back
to the table and make things better.
Speaker 2: Common sense. I have this I agree with so much.
We use the word you know, this is this should
be common sense. The problem is common sense is only
common to the person who's thinking it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: So if you and I think it's we all think
it thinking, oh yeah, we all have that common viewpoint.
That's just common sense. But the other person that's one
of the table doesn't even see it. It's just like
so I when I hear, as i've gotten older, when
I hear common sense, I'm just thinking, Unfortunately, these twenty
eight year old kids or fifteen year old kids, and
then our legislators whatever age they are now, in their
own life experiences, they're not saying it the way we're
saying Otherwise, they wouldn't have done something so stupid as
to do what they just did.
Speaker 6: Now. And a lot of times they rely on numbers, right,
And I hate reverting to statistics or numbers because when
you're especially when you're talking about New York State, you
can't get accurate numbers on anything. They want to talk
about recidivism rates or this or that it is so
hard to track any type of numbers regarding you know,
arrests and criminal histories in New York State. You can't
even imagine. So, you know, if you're relying on numbers
to make any of your decisions, you really have to
question those numbers and dig deep. How did they come
up with those numbers? For example, I tell you that,
you know, twenty seven percent of our cases in the
last five years are based you know, suspects we're on
probation or parole. Right, I'm giving you that number because
that can provide you the names of that of those suspects.
So I know that those are accurate. But for some reason,
New York State makes it impossible to find accurate statistics.
They're not keeping you know, maybe they're keeping numbers and
you just don't want us to know what they are,
you know. And that was a big thing with this
bail reform. You know, it was a big fallacy that
you got all these people in prison for you know, say,
marijuana possession. Right, that's a bunch of crap. Nobody's in
prison for marijuana possession. I'll tell you that right now.
If they are in prison for marijuana possessions because they're
moving thousands of pounds of marijuana across the borders.
Speaker 2: Or they had the possession, they had a firearm, and
they had something else. Fight because let me just.
Speaker 3: Say this, I feel like the marijuana possession type thing
growing up down Stay. I remember taking a field trip
to New York City. We went to Times Square. I
was in eighth or ninth grade. I watched two guys
pass a joint back and forth in front of an
officer and he did nothing. I remember thinking, and then the.
Speaker 2: Second older, I go, yeah, because those guys are.
Speaker 3: Doing nothing to no one who gives a shit when
there's so many other more impactful, horrible things that are
going on that he needs to pay attention to or
be alert.
Speaker 6: But you know the funny thing route right now they
legally and we can get I don't even want to
go down this rabbit. Now they legalize marijuana. They didn't
want us, you know, messing with people, you know, selling marijuana.
So now what's happening. Who's messing with the people that
are selling marijuana?
Speaker 3: Nobody?
Speaker 6: Now they're not getting their tax money.
Speaker 3: Yeah the state is that is true? Yes they are.
Speaker 6: So now you got the state rating these places because
they're getting cheesed out of their tax money. But that's
not good on that rabbit hole, all right, we won't.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time and and and thank you for
talking about this. And I just think it's something that
as we come up. I don't know even if election,
just pay attention. I think Greg brings brings up a
great point. Try to talk to your representatives. Let them
know ary can I mean, boy, if they've got an
email and they've got social media, hit them up on
it as a hard and long and repeatedly. I would
think maybe, yeah, maybe.
Speaker 6: My opinion to people is you have to try to
educate yourselves and know, we live in a society where
everybody just looks at the headlines and that's it. But
you know, don't be afraid to question something that you're hearing.
To ask good questions, do a little bit of research.
Don't just go based on you know what person A
or person B is saying. You got to do your
own research and just be careful where you get your
numbers from. Be cognizantle.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I I thank you for your time and uh,
stay safe.
Speaker 3: And your service. Thank you all.
Speaker 6: Thank you guys, appreciate it very much.
Speaker 3: Anytime you got it by by man, that is uh right.
Just the idea that that I need a gun to
stay safe is like a mentality and and I'm yeah,
I remembered hearing and reading. So I remember one young
kid saying that he was a he got roughed up
by a gang or beat up, uh because he looked
like the guy that they're wrong them or where they
were going after. And he's like, yeah, I was so scared,
and that the idea of having a gun just to
protect myself, it was something I needed.
Speaker 2: So there was there was a situation that happened several
years ago where there was a suburban kid who posted
on social media that anybody and I can't remember exactly
how the post was, but he essentially had what what
ultimately was identified as a toty pistol or baby gun,
but essentially said that he was going to shoot up
and he minority that he saw and he was from
Pittsburgh and that's when Luke was And then there was
other things that were going on that Luke saw on
social media. He was getting like his own you know,
they were how scary, harassing texts and stuff and he
was fifteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and that's why he
felt he needed that to feel safe. Now, he needed
to feel safe, you know, against Caucasians because of that
was the hates out of it. But when you're in
the city and having known people and friends that live
in the city, you know they use it because it's
you know, of the same race, right that they're like,
you know, even even you know if you're Caucasian, you're
there because of the of the circumstances you find yourself
in that are more threatening. So you they need it
more for protection than than you know, more than being
an aggressor.
Speaker 3: When you tell those Luke stories, Hey, you worry about
like what was he feeling?
Speaker 2: What was he inside?
Speaker 3: Because you have no I would have no way of identifying, right,
I would have no way of understanding that. But what
we forget because it was so different than when we
grew up, is social media can reach you at any
point at any time, So people are anywhere bullying you
or whatever, or sending a message, even if it's one
that's not directly at you but speaks about you as
a minority, whatever that like, that that was it didn't
target anyone in particular, I thought the kid.
Speaker 2: Might have even used the N word, if I remember, yeah,
in that video.
Speaker 3: Uh, And I thought it was posted in May, but
then got re something again in the fall, and that's
when it started to make nudes and noise. It's like
these things don't die. But let's say you're you're Luke
and you see that boy, wouldn't you be scared? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know in your point, your point, I think with
today's you know, as an adult, as a parent of
a child who didn't have social media. Yeah, you know
when we left school and the bullying that took place
in the school, and it did we got home, we
were safe. Yeah, we were safe in our house. Yeah,
you could let us sigh relief. The only way that
you'd be threatened if somebody came to the house, because
that's what we would know, or they call on the phone,
but then somebody's gonna answer it. Here, you're getting that
just bombarded at you. And you have all the time,
and you have control because you could turn it off.
But kids don't know how to turn it off. Their
brains just don't know.
Speaker 3: If you can't regulate that, and the social media, we
don't even know what it is. I mean, like, I'm
aware of Snapchat and I'm sure I sound like an
old guy, but I don't know how to exactly do it.
And I'm sure there's things I know that there's discord
and these different things that I'm not even familiar with
in terms of social media.
Speaker 2: So so going through that as a parent, I went through,
and the boys mom went and we Jenny tried to
like eliminate that stuff. So we would go in, put
all the restrictions, tell them they can't have it. We
would check, she would check their phones at night to
make sure it wasn't there, and they hit it. They
had all these other apps to hide things and then
get access we did. You know, here we are, we're
trying to be as visual as possible, but teenagers are teenagers. Yes,
you know. It kind of reminds us me as a
kid growing up in Hornell. We were looking for certain things.
Yeah right, well, my parents wouldn't let us have those things,
and they took precaution to prevent us to have access
to these things. We always found a way to get it, prohibition. Yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 3: It's true. It is going to be I'm even thinking,
like now I go boy, I snuck out of the house,
got in a car with other teenagers in the middle
of the night, rode around. You go almost like that,
you seem to be able to have prevented a little
bit with life three sixty. I know where you are,
Let me check their phone. I mean, maybe you go
to bed thinking they're in the room, but you can
take the phone. But boy, it's even deeper than that
now because there's all kinds of I mean, how many
times are you sitting with somebody having a conversation and
they're having conversations that you're not aware of with people
who aren't even physically in the same space. Is a
text or chat or whatever, and it's all the time,
and with kids that can be very scary.
Speaker 2: And I always say.
Speaker 3: Even with adults, you see people's moods change because there's
something on social media, right, and just imagine if it's
directly directed at you, it's a it's a whole different world.
I can't wait for Jameson to move in as a
as a police officer.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine how they have to then deal with that,
because you know, again you can deal with a rational
person or what appear would be in most instance, somebody
who's rational, uh, but have some mental health challenge that
something triggers them and now they become irrational, or they
take they ingest a drug or alcohol or something that
affects their decision making on that.
Speaker 3: And and what.
Speaker 2: Can trigger them can be something they see on social
media and then all of a sudden they lose it. It's
their job, you know, in him saying their job is
significantly substantially more difficult. I mean, look at the look
at the things we just talked about. We're not even
in the professional would probably come in and give us
a thousand weeks difficult.
Speaker 4: I remember when Duffy was the Chief of Police and
I was working at Wham my first rate of Joe
oh four.
Speaker 3: So it's like twenty years ago. So something had happened.
Speaker 4: It had to be significant twenty years ago. It had
to be significant twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Twenty years ago it was oh four.
Speaker 4: And we so Beth and Chad, we got Duffy on
the show at like seven fifteen, So this is a
big deal.
Speaker 3: Forgett the chief of police on within.
Speaker 4: Like ten minutes of a story breaking, and he goes.
Speaker 3: This is two thousand.
Speaker 5: The reason why I say it was two thousand and four.
Speaker 4: He goes, now we're starting to see the results of
the crack babies growing up. Now he now the capin
just the captain just said an eighteen year old now
is now what not what they were ten years ago?
The thing about twenty years ago, but they were coming
up and the crackman like, it's worse. Yeah, it's even worse.
I wouldn't want to be a police officer.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying now when I meant like our
guys saying they don't want to deal with this. It's
not about being shot. It is about being questioned or
not being able to do your job to the fullest
as you see fit. And I don't know what that is.
And I think most officers do agree with the bail
reform and maybe even the raisey age to a certain extent.
We'll take a moment. Dan said something, and I think
we have to do this since Greg is here. Yeah,
I think it's good Netflix. And what they do, what
is it called.
Speaker 4: It's called the Keeper the Keeper test, the Keeper test.
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as you know, you run a successful law firm in
multiple markets. I'm just curious as to your thoughts on
this because I can't tell if it's great or if
it's almost too anxiety inducing. I don't know.
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Speaker 8: Gotta girl from the sasside. I'm praising it. First time
I was saying a womba had to get somebody.
Speaker 2: Was just at the Samhuan concert and yeah, it was
a great show. The first time I ever saw him.
He was great. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would know Sam. I know
the songs, I don't know if I would know him, but.
Speaker 2: Like Randon, I wouldn't know what he likes. You know
what I'm saying? I didn't know which guy.
Speaker 3: He wasn't stage first, singing like I know other bands,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know him.
Speaker 3: I don't know Samun, but the country or he raised
kind of a yeah, spoken words a lot of his songs.
Speaker 2: It's like, how is that country cop?
Speaker 3: It's cop to call it pick cop.
Speaker 2: I think the words of the songs making country, yes,
and that twang in his voice makes the country Okay,
it's yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big country fan, so.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not a huge country fan either, but it's
almost like you can't avoid it. And now even post Malone.
I just watched Post Malone play at the Grand Ole
Opry and do like with country artists, like old school
country artists, and do their song. I got to stand
on that stage once you did. Oh yeah. So I
get up there.
Speaker 4: I have my little moment taking it all in, and
my wife is like, it's after four seconds, all right, honey,
we gotta go like, hey, sh I have my moment.
Other people like their moment too, Hey give it back.
Speaker 3: Okay, We're done.
Speaker 2: That's it. We're on our way. Yeah, Will Lakes Country,
you know my my twenty two year old.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's huge in that age group, right.
You go to those shows, it's all young people and
the girls are.
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, the people watching was fantastic. I
bet it was really entertaining, very entertaining. So Dan sent me.
Speaker 3: This thing and it's about Netflix. And Netflix offers like
really big dream salaries and they're looking for the top
talent for all their stuff. And when you think about Netflix,
I mean how it has evolved over the years from
renting you movie he said, I would mail in and
mail back to I think. I think when I go
look for something to watch, I'll go to Netflix. Even
if I hit like HBO, Max and Prime, I'll wind
up back at Netflix, Hulu too. I always find something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Their programming seems to better, or their options are better.
Speaker 2: But this is.
Speaker 3: Where they they tell managers to constantly consider firing the employees.
And it's kind of a mind bending paradox as they
put it out there. But they're saying that it's the
keeper test, and somebody breaks it down. They say the
keeper test is brutally simple. Managers regularly ask themselves if
this person wanted to leave? What I fight hard to
keep them. If the answer is no, it's time for
a tough conversation. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Now,
as somebody who has to do that and run offices,
I mean, is that Do you do that in a
way like could I do it without this person? Yes? Yeah,
I'm sure you do.
Speaker 2: We do Yeah, we do it. We do it with
every single employee at least once a year.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.
Speaker 4: The parade last year or and s Patrick's a little light.
I got to step it up, ran out of cups
in the first half of the parade.
Speaker 3: But they're saying at Netflix, now, this isn't an annual review,
it's not even quarterly. It's a constant evaluation every single day.
So they're going imagine the pressure and the potential for growth.
And Netflix's reasoning behind this, they say, is that it
creates less stress, not more are because it's brutal honesty
with your performance on a daily basis any kind of
I guess that would eliminate any I don't know where
I stand that this which.
Speaker 2: It's really it's interesting because our side of it is
almost it's almost the opposite side. Its almost one hundred
and eighty degrees. It's so hard for us to find people, right, right,
It's so hard for us to find people who will
come in and one want to work and then to
have the capacity and share the same mindset of our
you know, our focus is customer service. Our our focus
is response in this Do they have that mindset? It's
hard to find people to do that, and so oftentimes
it's do they once we find them, and then the
review is do they share that? And then are we
better with them or without them? Right? You know, we've
had I've had We've had some people in our offices
that have come in, they come in to work every day,
their gung ho, but they're just not they don't have
that softer service mentality. And it's like, you know, it's
a body, but we better off as an office having
them here in that mindset or not. And we've had
to make some hard decisions. Very hard to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they say here there's like no sugarcoating, it's
all kind of out there how you are every day.
But why they implement the system that may encourage turnover
when you're paying top dollar. The answer is talent density
is what Netflix says they have a talent density that
you get the absolute best people that are going to
be able to maintain and meet the standard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you are in a space that
can attract and have talent of that fashion. I think
the NFL is the exact same way. Yeah right, yes,
the NFL. It's almost a meritocracy in a way.
Speaker 3: I mean it really is.
Speaker 2: It is, and it's you know, it all depends on
your space and how how that works, and you know
the numbers that are in there. It's for us. I
think in a normal professional setting it's difficult because how
can you know where's your margin, where's your revenue on
those things? Because oftentimes I think you have to do
that with your sale side of whatever business you're in,
your revenue generation, you have to have that mentality. If
you don't, then you're just you're going to be below
average to blow average. But then it's all the other
support services that that provide that for your talent, your
revenue generating talent. And in our space, you know, other professions,
I think it's hard to find people that are gonna
stay and when you pay them, you know, when you
pay them and you pay the competitive or above competitive pay,
they then chase other pay right. You know, you think
you're providing a great place to work, and somebody comes
in and they just you know, COVID was a perfect example.
We're above the curve and how we paid, and then
all of a sudden we went below the curve and
we lost everybody for no reason. I mean, I mean
I should say no reason. They had obviously reason. But
I thought that we were very responsive and flexible and
adaptable during the time and in you know, did everything
that we our space, people in our space were providing.
And then it just flipped because everybody in the space,
it then went it went remote. Yeah, you know, attorneys
didn't work remote. You lived in the community that you work.
That's what we did. There would be some like specialties
and like appeals where he didn't need to live in
the community. But now it's all over the place and
we lost you know, I mentioned you guys, we've lost
We lost six attorneys in like six or seven months. Man.
Speaker 3: I just that's that's a high rate. And they're saying
with this keeper test that you're not having one or
two standouts, you're getting a team of all stars, the best,
and that it isn't just about who to let go?
But how to raise the bar or raise the standard?
And I guess in a way, I I mean I
kind of like that, but I think, who's the first
person to go, Hey, guys, I got a great way
to get the best talent?
Speaker 2: We do the keeper?
Speaker 3: Like who comes up with that idea? And then how
does everybody else at the table who's gonna be.
Speaker 2: How do they feel about it? Well, I you know,
having been through some of this, not not the way
you described it is. You know, the person who's in charge,
the person either whoever's the CEO or president, they're the
one who comes up with it, and then they have
to execute and implement it. Uh and uh, they themselves.
If you've got a board of directors, I mean I
can tell you know, sitting on some boards I'm on.
Is that that's what you do with the CEO. Is
that that's ours? It's the keeper test with the CEO
the CEO, I mean that is that's the model period. Uh.
And sometimes given the circumstances, you keep somebody because of
the options aren't as good and so that's a keeper.
And sometimes you have somebody who's doing great, but you know,
in that space there's other talent that's better, and then
you gotta you progress and move to somebody else.
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is like, once you get into
one of these companies they call them fang companies, right,
which means Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google one of
those five companies, and there's there's a there's a couple
others too that they kind of categorizeing that once you
get into a Netflix something like that, even though you
are successful, there's also the outside companies, the other four
companies coming after you too, because now you've cracked that
that ceiling. So now you work for Google, you work
for Amazon, you work for Netflix. You got to be
pretty bright, right, Have you had significant time there?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: But even if you don't, guess what they move on
like salespeople for better opportunities. Yeah, they're basically just all
like going around different companies once you crack that ceiling. Now,
the belief is if like a startup could come to
you and go, hey, look, we saw what you did
at Google, or we saw what you did at Facebook,
why don't you come with us.
Speaker 3: We'll get throw you a bunch of equity.
Speaker 4: And now, so it kind of does raise the bar
at the same time, the worry is the anxiety part
of it, Like now am I gonna say what?
Speaker 3: What? What's the cost? Is it my family?
Speaker 4: Is it my my the NFL, my health.
Speaker 2: The NFL has poached from from those companies. When you
look at some of the NFL executives now they're former.
I mean, I know some people that have been in
the Buffalo Bill's organization who have come from Google, who
came from Amazon.
Speaker 3: So that's a great training ground they went in. I
had never heard of the keeper test prior to this
at all. And I understand the standard. No, but as
I'm going through here and you go look from there's
no room for coasting in this.
Speaker 2: You gotta be all the time on your on your guard.
Speaker 3: And I from what I read, employees describe it as intense,
but a rewarding atmosphere if you if you can can
hack that sort of thing. And I I just wonder, like,
let's say you aren't meeting the standard and you can't
get there, what does that do? You go somewhere else
and you raise the stand. I don't know, you know
what I put this as I almost like putting a kid,
like putting Jordan in McQuaid where now there was a
shit ton more work. And the reason I wanted him
there was he could coast where he was, and I
didn't want him as to coast. I wanted those margins
tightened up because I went, there's a lot of potent
the right and I almost see it as you want
to be a jag lawyer. Right, but there's a summer
reading list Jordan at this school. Yeah, but when they
see things like, uh, it's too harsh and it's anxiety inducing, well,
then you're not cut out. Well well, and then that's
the flip side. Oh go ahead.
Speaker 2: What I was gonna say is then you're not going
to succeed at that level of competition within the business world.
Speaker 5: You got it, kind of weans it out.
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is shouldn't we all be trying to
perform it work instead of coast. We all get accustom
the coast to get some point. And at that point
when you do that, you have to realize it. Like
when I worked in radio with you guys, I was
like always trying to make sure I was at my
utmost performance because I could get In radio, you get
cut at any time and they don't care, you know,
shouldn't we always be like performing to like our best level,
even if we're not cut out for like one of
those companies like a Netflix. Should we always be trying
to do our very best? If we like made mediocrity
the standard for the default, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know in terms of what I hear what
you're saying. And I think that there are we're mediocrities, okay,
but those aren't usually your dream, Joe. And the other
side of it is man in a rising tide floats
all boats. If all of a sudden the standard goes
up and everybody else is raw raw, I'm going to
jump in there as well, or I'm going to be
left behind. And if I like what I'm doing, I
kind of like that that whole mentality. When we did
the Breakroom, I used to say to you all the time,
in my mind, we own this and what we're doing
is renting space from the company that owns the microphones,
and this is our shingle out there. And I always
remember I.
Speaker 2: Got into a big argument with the GM and.
Speaker 5: I I am the CEO of the break Crow.
Speaker 3: I did tell her that I did say that, and
you were I did say that, but you were, but
it was an idea of I wanted.
Speaker 4: To resonate throughout management. They kept repeating that back to
us all my time.
Speaker 3: But I was like, just I wanted to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to win, right, we want to more
than they did. Well, just you know what I mean.
Somebody that takes that as a threat to me just
doesn't understand this. You know, structures, because when you're own
a business like radio, you've got ten shows you should have.
You have ten presidents of the show. Now I you know,
we're the owners of all of them. So it's like
having ten subsidiary companies that have independent p and ls.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 2: So you want to you want that mentality because that's
that's how you can succeed in the business model that
exists in America. Now, if you don't succeed in that,
that just means you're not cut out for it. That's fine,
you know. And I was laughing a little bit because
you guys were talking about, you know, succeeding and always
doing your best. Well again, that's kind of like common
sense to me. Yes, what I've learned over my twenty
eight years now is that what I do to be successful,
What I've done for myself to compete and to be
the best I can be requires me to work sixty
hours a week, well, seventy hours a week. Well, there
are a lot of people that can be their best
or perform at what their best is because they want
to work forty hours a week, So could they be
better working fifty? Sure, they don't want to now, and
I've seen that temperament from just prior to COVID, but
most certainly post COVID they don't. They don't want to
do that. Okay. And the money and that part of success.
People are the generation of and I would say people
from forty below or thirty five younger, they don't really
care about the money. They want the money, but they're
what goes in to get that at that next level.
They'd rather work forty and take a little bit less
or the same than having to work more, but have
the potential to earn more in their future.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's interesting you say that. I have always
subscribed to and read different books where some leaders of
companies say a boss's job is to know what makes
the employee tick. And if Dan has a kid who
plays soccer and he wants to be at every game,
and it's willing to take a lesser salary and leave
work some days at three o'clock to catch the game
that he's seen. You know, he gets to see his
kid play soccer. You should let him do that as
long as whatever the work requirements are are met, even
if he's doing it after hours or something like that.
Speaker 2: But he's taking a lesser pay grade. So is that okay,
that's entirely consistent with the keeper theory. Yes, right, And
but that's what so when you talk about the best
is so you know, we've had people in our profession,
you know, lawyers outs what you do, you work, We're
paid based on time. That's what that's what our that's
what the model is based on essentially. And so you know,
having somebody that can have we try to give since
the time, since the day Tom and I started the office,
it was we don't care where you are, we don't
care what you do. Just get your job done. I
don't care how long it takes you. If it takes
you eight hours, if it takes you five hours, just
get your job done. And so they always had control
over their schedule to be able to do those things
because we subscribe to the same element to it. Ultimately,
where there has been friction through our twenty five years
now of doing this is our our expectation of doing
the work and their expectation of doing the work is
very different. So when we say we want you to
have we want you to do A, B, C and D,
Well they can get A and B done because it
takes the extra time to do C and D. But
they realized, I don't really need to do C and D.
That's just the way you guys used to do it.
That's the old school way. This is the new school way.
I gotcha. So there where you become that.
Speaker 3: The thumbs up thumbs down emoji. You can tell how
old somebody is if they use it or not, right,
I mean, there is there's a shift. Yeah, there's a shift,
and I don't know if it's good or bad.
Speaker 2: But getting back to your point about it, the boss,
you either have to adapt to.
Speaker 3: That, yes, or find new people. Yeah, and that's not easy.
Speaker 2: Well, you're going to be dealing with the same temperamental,
the same mentalities, because.
Speaker 3: You know, it is job security almost a thing of
the past. And I say that in terms of AI.
We look at AI now and the number of jobs
that can be replaced. I can't tell you how how
often I will use AI to polish up things that
I write, sure, just to make it a little bit
because I want it to stand out.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: In terms of you know that, I always think you've
got to embrace AI, right, yeah, because you're not gonna
put that genie back in the bottle. But because of that,
and because of things like this with the keeper test,
is the Keeper test almost the way to do it now,
because there is no real job security period and if
you want job security, you better raise your standard. I
don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should always be looking to improve and prove improve.
I mean, well, I think job security is I mean
it's a supply and demand thing, right, I mean the
supply of lawyers is far less than demand. So there
are job security.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, we're still we're looking to add three more attorneys.
We can't find them. We're still looking, and so the
people that are there, is there job security? Yeah, as
long as you do what you're supposed to do. You know,
we've hired six attorneys in the last twelve months, and
we fight three because they didn't work. They weren't they.
We have an expectation, Our clients have an expectation, and
you know, if if you don't meet it, you can't.
You can't just be there just as a warm body.
It's part of the keeper test. I mean, I wouldn't
call it at the time it was going through, but
that's just part of it. So yeah, it's uh, you know,
it's it's but in business you have to adapt, you
have to stay focused.
Speaker 3: I see people have jobs, like jobs in corporate, in
the corporate world, and I go, how the fun does
that person keep their job? How do they fund?
Speaker 2: They got their feet up, they're off the like, I
say to myself, what do they do?
Speaker 3: We just have guys go to Buffalo. They would leave
and go to Buffalo for lunch and come back to get.
Speaker 4: It Mighty Taco or what were they doing transit transmitters.
Speaker 3: But then they would grab a couple other guys with
them and they'd take off and I'd be like, how
the fuck is that?
Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, that's they would drive out the transit
road to get mighty top.
Speaker 2: I think part of it. I know exactly what you're
talking about, and I buy there all the time.
Speaker 3: Part of the reason is nobody else could do what
they did. I used to always make the joke that
the engineer had the easiest job in radio because he
could walk in and go, it's gonna take like two
or three days, gotta get some part. You have no idea,
I don't have any knowledge to know what's going on here.
And that that's usually the way it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's supplying demand. Yeah, right, you have you have
a skill set that that is in high demand and
there's not a strong supply. You're you know. One of
the reasons why Luke wanted mechanical engineering is because he
likes to fix things, breaks things and then fix things. Whoa, look,
things are breaking all the time around and you got
to build things all the time. And so he's like, yeah,
smart and I and I encourage him to do it.
But that's you know, and I'll say, right now, Will's
thinking about going to law school. Why I told him,
I said, look, this is the best time to go
to law school. There's a huge demand, there's a small supply.
You can go there and you get the background. You
can pick where you want to.
Speaker 3: Where you want to go, do what you want to be. God,
you could be a TV analyst, you know, for news,
you could be an agent, you could be so many things.
Speaker 2: Number just get the background, get this, get you know,
just get that schooling. And you know, when you think
about it as a general economy is you know, the
way things are evolving in terms of technology. If you
can get some background in some technology based applications, you
don't need that. You can work in Rochester and work
for a company in California or Chicago. I mean, it's
it's amazing with what how that opportunity exists now and
they're paying you based upon not necessarily where you live
like they like we used to, but where you're making
your job, where their job is. And you know, somebody
who lives in San Francisco makes about one hundred percent
words than somebody that lives in Rochester. But if you
can do the job that they need from Roster, you're golden, right,
which is great, Which is.
Speaker 3: Great because the cost of living in San Francisco is astronomical.
Speaker 2: Call to Rochester, right, it's crazy, lame thing. And I
would assume other places.
Speaker 4: It's insane absolute I've had to recruit over there.
Speaker 3: It's it's hard. Boston too. The keeper test is your
Boston implement the Keeper test. No, I don't think, so
said tell them, you know what, it's.
Speaker 2: The number one.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing I think. I think greging up
brings up a great point. It's hard to find people,
let alone the Keeper test. It's hard to find people.
Speaker 2: Well, I can do the Keeper test on myself. Yes,
I mean, you know, and the people that ultimately, you know,
when you're when you're managing something, you want everyone to
have that same mentality. That's what you want, That's what
you look for in somebody. And when you find that,
you know, and I've said since Tom and I started
the office, is that our hardest thing is bringing the
right people in. We know how to run our business now,
it's not to make sure we have the right players,
you know, people that share the values, that share the mentality,
that understand what it is that we do and want
to be there. That's that's the hardest part, is making
sure you got one person does not win a championship
or making an office or a business successful. Not one doesn't.
It takes a full team, but one of them can
ruin it and destroy it. Yes, and I've seen that,
I've lived that. Really, Oh my God, really, yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Torture that will uh. We'll take a moment. Somebody run
in asking for a little personal advice. And then since
Greg is here, I did see another thing online that
I just think is again as a business owner, and
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would like.
Speaker 2: I don't think. So we'll get to that right after that.
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Speaker 2: So it's some.
Speaker 9: Say, but I remember you as a kid, spontanes things
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Speaker 3: Just play. It's just an interest in Chris Trapper. My
brother introduced me that song and I go, boy, that's
a really powerful song. And when he says, there, I
remember you as a kid. I caught CBS Sunday morning
and I'm gonna forget the actress's name, but she played
uh Lotca's girlfriend on taxi years ago and she talked
about Andy Kaufman and how he was such a because
he made up the language that he spoke and she's like,
when I started, he's like, just there is no wrong,
just play, just play. And she's like he was so
free because he played like a child, like he just
didn't care. And it all worked out, and I go,
I know, but it doesn't seem to fit in the
adult world to be able to do that exactly.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm saying, like, I.
Speaker 3: Wish we could all be a little freer, but it
just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Doesn't grow the Monday. It owns my Sunday and Saturday Friday.
You know, I mean, it's been and as an owner
in this regard, as you know what happens now, we've
planned six months, a year, two, three years ago. And
so if I didn't plan it wouldn't happen now. If
I wasn't thinking about twenty twenty five right now and
planning for it, the things that we need to get
done wouldn't be done for the thirty five people that
work for us, right, And so you know, it's like,
that's what keeps me going. That's what that's what the
drive is. And you know it says you're planning for
a vacation in six months, you're not doing your renovation now,
you know, I laugh because I'm like, that's part of
what that's part of me. Yeah, you know, I'm looking
forward to the six months I'm planning a vacation. You know.
The Bills game in Miami, Napa, Seattle, you know, La.
Speaker 3: I loved it yesterday I heard I heard the whole
itinerary breakdown yesterday. I go, man, that is amazing. But
there's a lot of work that makes all that possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so but it's it's there's somebody
it's really comes on the priorities, right, And we were
talking about the priorities of some of the new I'll
say a new generation. I think It's always been that
way for certain people. They've just made different decisions. And
you know, I would submit, if you were a lawyer
trying to be a lawyer in the nineteen nineties and
you wanted to work forty hours, you worked for the government,
right you worked at government legal job. I'll tell you
right now. In the private industry, it was unheard of
for lawyers. And my experiences in the nineties, if you
as a young lawyer, you didn't work sixty to seventy
hours a week, unheard of. If you didn't, now it's
unheard of if you do really Oh oh yeah, I
mean right now, I would say. You know, for friends
of mine that are partners in firms in Buffalo and Rochester,
a news shits average work week is forty to forty
two hours a week. That's it. I say, that's it.
Which is you know people are like Greg, it's full time,
but yeah, it's it's it's a whole different mentality.
Speaker 3: Well, I remember one of my I remember my mom
talking about one of her coworker's sons graduating from Yale
Law School and he got a job at a big
law firm in New York City for ninety grand this
would have probably.
Speaker 2: Been I gotta think if I was a kid it
was the mid eighties. Oh yeah. And but the hours, yeah,
like you.
Speaker 3: Know, on call all the time, weekends, all this stuff,
and I don't know if that's worth it, but he's
got to pay off those loans. And I'm going, yeah,
but that's probably what makes that person tick. Yeah, do
you understand you know what I mean? They like that
that high pressure that like. I think that I could
always have it adapted to that sort of thing. I
like that intensity. I enjoy the intensity, the research, the digging,
the finding an answer, that kind of thing. I love
that shit.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean part of it is is you know,
you do something and there's an outcome. Yes, you know, yes,
it's it's outcome driven. So you work at it, you
work until it's done, and then when you get to
that completion, you've accomplished something. And then some people are like, Okay,
I've done it and I'm gonna take some time off
or I'm not gonna know. And the people that are successful,
who have traditionally been successful in the law business anyways,
as soon as they get done with one, they're grabbing
the next one. Yeah, And then the ones who are
really good, balanced two or three at a time look
at this and that's you know, that's the But you know, again,
it's priorities. And I do think the younger generation younger
here and listen to me, I'm fucking old, you know again, forties,
thirty five and younger, the priors are different. They want
more life experiences, they want more quality of life.
Speaker 3: You know, it's.
Speaker 2: Experiential, which is great, it's just that's just I didn't have.
My life experiences were going to Elector State Park in
Stony Brook. That's what my life experiences were. And that's
what the that's what the bench was. That was the
benchmark for us. It wasn't flying to Florida and flying
to Europe. That wasn't the benchmark. That wasn't it. And
so now it's you know, it's much more experiential for
kids and families. And you know, I'm a I've spoiled
my kids because I've become that experiential person myself. But
now Will's got to find a job that he can
earn money or earn a living, if that's what he
wants to do, continue in those experiences. He's got to
find a job that can support.
Speaker 3: There's also that rich dad, poor dad mentality, right that
always the kids. I knew kids who came from families
and they were well educated, and this kid was just
a fuck up, like he would fuck oh my cousin.
My cousin is a prime example. I have a cousin
whose dad was a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 2: I have a theory on this.
Speaker 3: Had all kinds of you know stuff. He was always
in minor trouble, kicked out of private schools, different things
like that. Now owns like three or four restaurants in Augusta.
I was just with my son who had a young
lady with him who's from Augusta. She's going to Nazareth
and in that whole process, she's like, oh, yeah, I
know the restaurant. So I called him. He's down in
Belize because he owns a rest certain police now, but
he was like this giant fuck up. And I feel
like the standard was always I want to maintain here.
I'm gonna have to do this and I'll find what
I love to do and I'll just do it better
than anybody. He's the guy that hires all the private
chefs that go for the UH for Augusta to the golfers,
if you want a private chef, he finds them and
hires them.
Speaker 2: That's his job. Yeah, that's fantastic. And you know a
lot of that is, you know, your dad's in neurosurgeon.
You're gonna have certain access and opportunity to think others
wouldn't have. You know, the kids in the rash we
were talking about that are carrying guns aren't gonna have
that same access or opportunity. So you got to make
something of it. And I thought you were going to
take a different path, a different way on this is
that you know, I know as many kids' parents were
very successful and then the next generation wasn't as successful
because it was a little soft reform. They don't have
the same well, they don't have the same drive or
the same My dad used.
Speaker 3: To say to me, your generation will be the first
generation to not do better than their parents, is what
he said to me when I was growing up. Just
just because things got comfortable.
Speaker 2: You mean you and yourself will not do better than him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like my generation, because my generation wouldn't. Oh, as
a generation, I don't know if we did or didn't
in terms of do better. I think everybody sort of
you know, did pretty well, but he's his thing was
as a generation, probably because now you had you didn't
have to work as hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more things seemed handed to you. But I don't know.
The look we had one car, We had one bathroom
in one car in Hornell when I grew up. My
kids had more than one bathroom in their house and
they have more than one car. And in fact, you know, right,
and I view that I'm less because of the opportunity
that and the access my parents gave me to go
to Alford and then go to law school and then
you know, and then the rest I had to do
on my own. You know, I didn't inherit money. My
my parents didn't pay for my law school. They didn't
pay for my first house. You know, my kids are
going to have it a little bit differently than that,
and I I wonder whether they'll have the same drive
or have the same priorities in terms of work ethic
as I've had, because they you know, because it was,
it was, it was. It wasn't given to me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't. But I wonder too, though, watching you and
what you did to succeed to have all that, if
that's sort of is ingrained somehow to where do you
see it and go, I've got to I know what
I have to do.
Speaker 2: I saw how what he did? You know, I think,
you know, again, it's too young for the kids to
to really kind of demonstrate that they both do well
in school, which is part of a work ethic there.
And it's uh, you know, in the end for me,
and I think every parent, particularly those whose kids go
leave leave the house when they get to that point
and go off to school, is uh, you want them
to be happy, yes, and not what I find to
be happy, not what I want them to do to
be happy, but what do they want to do to
be happy? That was my thing. This is what my
brother had said to me about one of my guys.
It's not your life. Yeah, I candidly had a tough time,
but you know, over when they were at the end
of their high school careers deciding what they want to
do for college, I had. I struggled with what I
thought they should do and what they wanted to do,
and I had you know, it took a lot of restraint,
but you know, I stepped back and I'm letting them
kind of fill their path. And they just got to
find their you know, we give them the wings. I
don't want to clip them. I want them to spread
them as big as they can go. And unfortunately it
means that I'm you know, sitting at home with my
films with the two dogs, but.
Speaker 3: With you, guys.
Speaker 2: Someone it was so funny planning your fall.
Speaker 3: So Greg and I are going back and forth this morning.
I had asked him for Tony, who we were at
the Gates party, just want to send him a thank you,
and I didn't have his number, So I say that
to Greg, and Greg says, hey, do you have a
chair for me on the podcast? And I right back,
of course, and then I just list some of the
things that were playing. That was all just so you
had a heads up. And then he writes back again,
so do you still have it? I go, yeah, we
have a chair. We have a chair, and there's always
a chair.
Speaker 5: Well, there was so much other things going on.
Speaker 3: I'm saying he would fit in.
Speaker 2: I just was letting you know that these were the
things that so you had a little guys know, I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Perception coming in what we were doing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Somebody wrote about two women, both single mid fifties to
early sixties, Dear Bill. One says to the other at
this long distance request that they have too much time
on their hands. One woman says the other, you have
too much time. She's very creative, she does these things
she's and she gets very offended by that. And should
you be offended by too much time in your hands?
And I go, this sounds so silly to me, because
I would I would think that if you're doing something
that it looks like you have too much time on
your hands. I don't know, it seems like a compliment.
Speaker 4: I would say that you want to know what kind
of people have too much time on their hands?
Speaker 2: Billy, I'll tell you what kind of what kind of people, Cliff.
Speaker 4: People who go on Facebook and bitch and complain and
cry and go on Twitter and social media and cry
and complain and protest. Yeah, those people have the luxury
of time.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a wonderful thing. Yeah, isn't It's so wonderful.
Speaker 4: Whereas there's people like my wife who's always doing a project.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she has a lot of time in her hands.
Speaker 3: It's summer.
Speaker 4: She's a teacher, and she's made like seven hundred hats,
six sweaters. I mean like like she could start her
own like clothing line.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's on a Nazsi. Set her up ANATSI
shop if you have some money.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've actually asked her about that, but then she went
to why she can't do it, and I'm like, okay,
I stop, are good?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 4: But the point is, though, is that she makes great
use of her time because she has that, she makes
the most of it, so be productive with it.
Speaker 5: And there's no problem with that.
Speaker 3: Well you know what, you know what all that stuff is,
It says to me, Facebook, bitch, and all that is
resistance to whatever you should be doing. You're not doing
and it's a great distraction to not do it. And
I'll tell you what. Anybody is a.
Speaker 2: Really quick, easy read, but it's a great read.
Speaker 3: It's called The War of Art, and it's really about
a writer and trying to get over the you know,
like writers block, and you've just got to be the
professional who sits down every day and just does it.
You've got to set up a schedule for yourself and
these are the hours that all I do is write.
Speaker 4: And this Jerry Seinfeld became a successful This guy talks.
Speaker 3: About he's the one who wrote the legend of Vagarbant Fan.
Am I saying it right? Legend? Yes, So he wrote
that and became a movie. But he's like, do you
know how many times he went. He's like, look, I
had a failed marriage. I had failed this, he said.
I wound to rent a place in northern California. I
just sat there for twenty four months. He goes, I
took two months out to do migrant work to make
money in the state of Washington. He goes, and then
we'll come back to northern California to this place, and
I wrote. No one bought the book, but he goes,
I did it every day for twenty four months. And
eventually something pays off for you. And it is that
that you just got to do stuff over and over
and over, right, you know, and not fear failure. And
I think that's where we have a great distraction. Ah,
here's something that I'll take my attention away, or something
for me to bitch about that doesn't impact my life
directly right now this moment.
Speaker 4: Look, you hear your phone, Your phone remind you. I
don't know if like I have a Sam sung. My
phone reminds me of how much time I spent on
the phone this past week.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it always does it on his Sunday morning, Yes.
Speaker 3: Sunday, And I'm like, does it Yeah, me too. How
much time you spent on the phone?
Speaker 2: How much time? Yeah, I haven't and the different apps
that here's what it does. It teases now versus text
mess Yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Teases you with a push notification said you spent forty
more minutes this week on your phone than you did
last week. So now you want to click and well,
how much time did I spend on the freaking phone
Three hours and fifty three minutes this week. I'm like,
that's got to change. And that's not on the phone talking, No,
that is like Twitter three hours looking stuff up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but most of yours has got to be working
because I.
Speaker 2: Do everything I do in my emails, I do through
that as well. Yeah. So I you know, I have
a theory similar to you know, should the person get offended.
Speaker 3: Well why, yeah, obeah, you made.
Speaker 2: The choice to say you want to do something the
other person. I mean, that's on the other person. You know.
There's there's an old saying if you want to get
if you want something done, ask somebody who's busy right,
because right, because if you want it done, they're going
to get it done because I got other things I
got to get done right right as opposed to like
think about it, lament about it. Yeah, put it down.
And you know, well here there's no sense of urgency.
I guess in some respect, sometimes you got.
Speaker 3: To stop, take a look around and go. Everybody has
twenty four hours of the day. Some people just do
more with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I mean and showing up right,
you know, I said to Luke, you know, as I
gave him a hug, and I got my eyes are
welled up and I got not in my throat. I said,
just make sure you go to every single class. That's
what I'm paying for. Yeah, I'm paying for you to
be in class right period. Just show up. Now. You know,
in life, you're going to figure it out. You show up.
If you don't like it, he's gonna have to find
something else to do, you know, he's got to adapt
to that. It's uh. And don't be afraid to fail.
You know, some of the greatest successes are based upon
some of your you know, most horrifying.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady Tom Brady motivational thing where he was sitting
and I don't, but it was that. Yeah, he said,
I remember the failures, Oh, because they he goes, those
are the things that we should talk about, he goes,
The winds are great. Yeah, yeah, we did so many,
but we got them because of the failures. We knew
what not to do, what embrace those.
Speaker 2: I bet you doctor Rob could give you a great
psychological analysis on why that's good and why that's not
so good.
Speaker 3: Probably, yes, why would you say say not so good?
Speaker 2: Well, you know a lot of it just is driven
through anxiousness, your anxiety, and you know I've had I've
had my battles with anxiety. So it's really trying to
get to a point in life of balance where you
have that drive without there being anxiety. And for me,
growing up the way I was brought up, I haven't
met that. Yeah, it still comes with it better still
is a challenge.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to how to interpret all that
stuff because then I think of guys like Michael Jordan, right,
and Michael Jordan would get so he would make things
up in his head to piss him off. Back to back.
Speaker 4: Gnes and I think it was the he played for
the Nets scure kid, and he said nice game, Mike, Yeah, person,
and then he made up some story in his head
that the guy was like better than him that day,
which he was, and then he just to.
Speaker 5: The next game. I'm sorry, mister Jordan, you didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: You just played basketball.
Speaker 2: Now, let's make take this full circle. Now, somebody, now
you've got a gun in your hand and you're in
a playground basketball game, and then somebody says that and
you take it personally, and then that guy torture you.
What are you gonna do. You're gonna be so pissed
off you might shoo shoot him. In fact, there's been
times in the city of Roster there's been shootings at
off basketball games and so you know, so anyways, get
thats off on a tangent, bring a little full circle
from other conversation. But uh yeah, you know, and there's
oftentimes I think we as parents and as a society
should probably get to a point where we have to
drive without creating these self imposed anxiousness parts. I mean, look, Jordans,
you know, Jordan's one of the best competitors to exist
in the face of the earth, as is Bezos, as
is you know, Bill Gates as you know, you know
Warren Buffett, who probably is the most non competitive person
the way that he talks and delivers things. Yes, but
the man prepares himself like no other person in his industry,
and that's what drives him. You know, he says he
does it, ah because of his search and his pursuit
of intellect. Okay, well I think he got enough smarts there, buddy.
You know, you're ninety three years old, and you know,
come on, still going. He's still going now. Again, that's
great as long as he as long as he's not
feeling like I.
Speaker 3: Have all that.
Speaker 2: But you know I I still feel that way. I
still drive, I still have that drive. I still want
to win, so want to compete. Now, it's just a
matter manner of trying to make sure it doesn't create
other issues in terms of anxiety and anxiousness, which then
cloud's judgment decision making.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: That's because it does everything that keeps doctor Rob busy.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is on a.
Speaker 5: Scale of one to ten.
Speaker 3: I try to keep everything at least at a seven.
Speaker 4: Don't get too extreme to excited, right, you know, like
what like like like the big thing in baseball which
has kind of killed the game is analytics. They made
it so efficient that it's so frick and boring, sit
back and wait for the bomb.
Speaker 3: Well you have more.
Speaker 4: You have now like less than ten guys with three
hundred batting averages in each league, and people miss old
school baseball. You can't manage along with a game anymore
like you could twenty years ago, because why because analytics
are out of ten? Can we just scale it back
to with seven?
Speaker 2: I think the reason why baseball isn't successful anymore in
terms of the American culture is because there's more guys
like me that have a d D that can't sit
through a damn baseball game. I can't sit through.
Speaker 4: They have now like two and a half hours now.
Speaker 2: The faster they have improved, they've really improved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the clocks.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Football is a perfect American sport because the play lasts
for five to ten seconds and then there's a minute break,
the last we get to yell about that player right
all again.
Speaker 5: You know, and the clock there's perfect breaks for bathroom.
Speaker 2: Your mind is continuously you have the score.
Speaker 3: You also have gambling. Now to that is it?
Speaker 2: So? I was gonna say we'll wrap it up. Say
I'm good you sure? Yeah? Yeah, I just been saying.
That's why I watch baseball. Team used to be the mess.
Speaker 3: I sometimes I'll throw a ball game on while I work,
And the only reason I do that is because it's
old squad. I'm not even paying attention, but once in
a while, I like the old the sound of a
baseball game. I don't know what that is, Tiger. He
used to love Phil Rizzuto when he did.
Speaker 5: Think I like the word your happy anniversary, mister and missus.
Speaker 4: Claire Smith of Washington Heights seventy two years they've been married,
is madically popped this one up.
Speaker 2: For the empty nester. Greg Connor is always good.
Speaker 3: The Buffalo Bill's looking pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say pretty good.
Speaker 4: I think Steelers have problems.
Speaker 2: Quarterback problems.
Speaker 3: I got yeah for Dan Brillo who always brings it
and has his Wyomi hat on. Bill Moran will see tomorrow, Old.
Speaker 5: Dam know what to do TV, you.
Speaker 3: Bad man?
Speaker 5: Spend yeahm