WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.000 a UFO hanging in We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:09.480 thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.679 UFO over hey, we want to one. 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:12.960 Of those. 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:16.559 Areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a report 7 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.760 of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what kind 8 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:24.960 of reports cloud times areas thirty one me neither there. 9 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.960 See if it was anybody a h above us to 10 00:00:30.039 --> 00:00:32.719 pass us, like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one 11 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:37.039 top of golf negative, okay, off fi the UFO. 12 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:39.719 Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. 13 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:41.119 Yes, I'll just passed over. 14 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:42.759 God. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:44.159 I don't know what it was. 16 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:47.280 But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See, 17 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.479 I passed right over the top of US. 18 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.479 Ninety one one. 19 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.039 You just called both to be before they're after staying 20 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.159 the airplanes. 21 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:07.159 He to God on an unidentified object every liberty four 22 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:10.200 call or calm on an unidentified flying object. 23 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 24 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 25 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 26 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 27 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.159 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you 28 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.799 all doing this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is 29 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:59.040 the UFO Chronicles Podcast. Tonight's guest is Darryl E. Berry Junior. 30 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.959 Come into us from the state of Texas in the US, 31 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.439 and tonight darylill be sharing his our body experiences and 32 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.639 what he has learned during his exploration. Daryl has also 33 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:12.080 written a book called Travel Far, a Beginner's Guide to 34 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:17.400 Outer Body Experiences, including first hand accounts and comprehensive theory 35 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:18.439 and methods. 36 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:19.520 Had experience in. 37 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.039 Meeting ets the UFO, which he believed was a craft. 38 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.919 He was also briefly involved in the New Wabian cult, 39 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.879 but exited in the early two thousands. 40 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:32.280 Darryl is up next, but first, if you enjoy the 41 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:34.680 show and you would like to help support the podcast 42 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.240 on Patreon, you can do this for as little as 43 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:40.360 one dollar a month. Head on over to patreon dot 44 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.400 com forward slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also find 45 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.080 a link in the description of this episode. Any help 46 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:48.680 is very much appreciated. 47 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:50.280 Now on with the show. 48 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.319 Hello, Darryl, Welcome. 49 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:06.800 To the podcast. 50 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:08.639 Hello, that's nature. 51 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.000 Nice to meet you too. 52 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.039 Thank you for coming on today, and you're calling from 53 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:14.319 Texas in the US. 54 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:15.400 That is correct. 55 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.280 Now, Daryl, you have some experiences you're going to be 56 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:21.240 sharing with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir. 57 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:25.919 Certainly. My experience has started back in the early eighties, 58 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:30.400 so basically the majority of my experiences can be described 59 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.560 as along the outabout experience lines as well as eat 60 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.759 and counterlines. From there, I experienced several things and started 61 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:43.479 to get into an idea of wanting to develop more 62 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.800 evidence for it, and that's where I started doing research 63 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.280 studies and developed their means to teach others. And I 64 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.199 guess that's where I'm at now, is trying to lead 65 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:59.000 towards a more strategic and in depth expirations. So starting 66 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.599 with the beginning, my experiences started before I knew anything 67 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.280 about it. So basically I was about four or five 68 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:10.759 years old, and there was an evening where I suddenly 69 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:15.479 started to feel sort of heavy lethargic, and I figured 70 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.439 I would go lie down until I felt better. So 71 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:20.519 I told my mom I was about to go lie down, 72 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:24.279 and I wasn't feeling well, and at some point I 73 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.720 started to feel a whole lot better, so I figured 74 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.480 I would go get up and let her know that 75 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.680 I was feeling better. I suppose I was feeling bad 76 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:35.439 when I got up out of bed. I went to 77 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.480 go open the door, but my hand went to the doorknob, 78 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:40.959 and so I didn't really know what was going on. 79 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:42.920 I tried to open the door a few times, and 80 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.519 it just wasn't working because I couldn't actually grab the doorknob. 81 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:50.759 So I looked back on the dead. I saw on 82 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.319 the dead that I realized I recognized was my physical body. 83 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.079 So that's when I walked through the door and walked 84 00:04:59.079 --> 00:05:01.199 through the house and when in some of mom in 85 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.279 the kitchen, So that's how it started from there. I 86 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:08.959 had many different experiences. Ironically, that's when I first got 87 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:12.399 introduced to the sort of eaty phenomena as well, because 88 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:14.360 there was a period of time when I would be 89 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:18.839 visited by what I later understood or the common term 90 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:21.279 would be gray beings. So I used to see them 91 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.560 pretty regularly for a period of time, and that's how 92 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:28.759 my experiences first begin. So a few internocent things I 93 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.000 had during that period of time, Like one experience I 94 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:35.399 had was simply walking around the neighborhood. I wrote a 95 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.360 book with many of these many of these experiences in 96 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:42.360 they're called travel Far, and I called it walking walking 97 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.279 around the neighborhood. I used to just spontaneously either throw 98 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:49.000 it up to the ceiling or just find myself walking 99 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.319 around and one and the resting time I was walking 100 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:55.199 down the street. At this time, it became pretty normal 101 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.360 for me. I saw what looked like these two sort 102 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:02.279 of grimmining like being standing on either side of this portal. 103 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.759 And I remember the portal. It was oval shaped, it 104 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.600 was tall, like maybe eight ten twelve feet tall, and 105 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.319 it was made of these red and black sort of 106 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:16.720 checkerboard pattern, but the colors were alternating colors, so like 107 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.560 the black checkerboards would turn red and the red would 108 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:22.920 turn black. And I recognized there was one It seemed 109 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.079 to be a sort of portal that you can go 110 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.040 to a different location. I was so afraid to go in. 111 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:30.920 But that's one of the experiences that stick out in 112 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.240 my mind. There was a long period of time where 113 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:35.519 that's pretty much as I did, would just you know, 114 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.319 walk around five different places. Eventually I learned to do it. 115 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.920 Came a point in time when I realized that you 116 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:44.879 can meet different beings. So there's a period of time 117 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:47.879 when I met various Nona physical entities, which is only 118 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:50.800 reason why I was so reticent to watch horror movies 119 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.319 because oftentimes I would end up seeing some of the 120 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.040 things in these experiences I recognize now, and really during 121 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.480 a period of time, I recognized as well. It seemed 122 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:02.759 like there was an entity that took the form of Freddy. 123 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.839 You remember the Freddy entity. He actually would chase me 124 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:12.759 for around the neighborhood for weeks until I eventually got 125 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.319 tired enough of him, and I realized that we could 126 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.279 actually defend myself in that state, which actually brought on 127 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.839 experiences where I helped people in that in that situation. 128 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.360 I remember one time I was I was spontaneously, I 129 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.439 became aware flying through this realm with a group of 130 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.199 other beings, and I saw this little girl being chased 131 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:37.920 around by this entity similar to how I remember myself being. 132 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.800 And I went and I disposed of the entity that 133 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.399 you could you could punch, kick, fight it, various things, 134 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:47.399 And I remember bringing her back to her body and 135 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.000 uh and I remember visiting her a few nights in 136 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.360 the out of aidy state to see if she was okay. 137 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:58.560 So at the time these experiences, I thought everybody must 138 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.800 have had these experiences because nobody they was ever talking 139 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:03.079 about it. At the time, I didn't really have to 140 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.680 do anything to cause it to happen. Eventually I learned 141 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:10.079 to control it to a certain model, to an extent. 142 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.959 But what happened is over time I sort of got 143 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.959 out of the practice, and years later when I started 144 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:21.160 to run into things like books on out about experiences, 145 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:24.920 and there was a period of time when when aliens 146 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:29.240 started to become properler in mainstream media, and I started 147 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:32.000 to come across the concept of grade. I thought, that's 148 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.360 that's what that's what that was with what was going on. 149 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:38.559 Then I had the idea of learning how to cause 150 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.320 the experience. And the resting thing was since I had 151 00:08:41.960 --> 00:08:45.120 a lot of experiences by that time, off and on, 152 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.519 I don't know, I guess several several hundreds, I don't know, 153 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.559 I didn't keep counter what have you. But ironically I 154 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:53.240 had stopped for so long that I had to learn 155 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.399 how to do it. But one of the things that 156 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.440 happened was I would get these various of books and 157 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:01.840 I noticed that they had several things that I recognized 158 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.519 to be incorrect. Like one of the things that sticks 159 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:08.679 out was some of the books would fanstant say and 160 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:11.399 do you have to be in only a particular position, 161 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.000 you have to have your head face in the north, 162 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:16.960 and all of these things like that, And I never 163 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:19.559 had to worry about any of that, so I would 164 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:22.080 At the same time, they had a lot of good 165 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.279 information as well. But over time I was able to 166 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.559 pray myself to do it again, and usually it was 167 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.879 for specific purposes, Like there was one period of time 168 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.840 when I had a great fear of debt. I was wondering, 169 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.559 you know, I wasn't sure exactly what would happened, and 170 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.600 I remember the out about experiences I had, so I figured, 171 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.159 let me try to do that again and see if 172 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:45.879 I could figure out what happened after debt. Around this 173 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.960 period of time, my grandmother had died and I was 174 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.240 able to get out and see her. This is past 175 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:55.320 the time Robert Monroe had died, so he's a popular 176 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.120 person who wrote books on out about experiences, and I 177 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.279 was able to get out and see him as well. 178 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:03.200 Then I would like to get caught up in life 179 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.679 and stop again. Then I would start up again, and 180 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:10.600 let's say, another period of time. I wanted to see 181 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.919 ex structure racist like going to out of space. So 182 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.080 I did that a little bit. There's another period of 183 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.720 time which is an interesting experience. I wanted to get 184 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:22.000 some kind of evidence that is real, like you know, 185 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:23.840 how do you know if you're not just making it up? 186 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639 So I actually met Over the years, I will meet 187 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.279 people online who could do it, or at least said 188 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.080 they can do it, like some of them, at least 189 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.080 one of them I've verified equipm'ent really just wanted attention. 190 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.879 With one of the friends that I had named Lewis, 191 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.440 he was able to generate that it by the experience, 192 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.000 very very good at it. So I figured what I 193 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.039 would do was this is a period of time when 194 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.559 I was practicing again, and I figured I would get 195 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:50.960 out and go to him and try to see if 196 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.440 I can verify the experience. So what I did was, 197 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:56.360 I figured I would try to do a few things 198 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:01.440 to make the experience unique. Since I decided I would 199 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.000 change my appearance. And what I learned was in an 200 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.639 out of body state, you could change your physical oppearance. 201 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:10.159 You can change uh, we'll clothes you're wearing. So I 202 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:13.759 decided to dress myself in this long white robe, and 203 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.000 I decided to also put a gold band around the 204 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.679 center of the rope. It is time I never saw before. 205 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:21.639 I don't think pretty common for people to have a 206 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:25.399 robe with a gold band around the center. Also came 207 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:27.879 up with other things that I would like, say, some 208 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:30.759 kind of strange word or something like that. And that 209 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:34.000 night I attended and out about experience and I tended 210 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.440 to generate one than I did. And I remember going 211 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.200 out and meeting him, and but I was you know, 212 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.159 I wasn't in practice for in that new state of practicing. 213 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:45.080 I wasn't in practice for a while at that time. 214 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:46.840 So I came out. I was kind of groggy. I 215 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.000 wasn't fully aware. I was like in a semicotra state 216 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:51.840 enough to be aware that I was out of body. 217 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.279 But you could imagine, like they did wake up in 218 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.440 the middle of a night's sleep, and you wake up 219 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.360 and you're not fully awaken, kind of galdy. It takes 220 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.799 a little while way up. I was somewhere in that 221 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.000 level of acconsciousness. So I got out, I saw him, 222 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:10.279 We had a brief interaction, and the experience didn't last 223 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:12.919 that long. It ended pretty quickly on my side because 224 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.840 I wasn't fully fully aware and clear and at a 225 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.919 speriod of time. And him, we used to talk on 226 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.159 the phone pretty often, so it wasn't unusual for us 227 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.000 to have a phone conversation and talk about this or that. 228 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.559 So the next day we were having our usual phone 229 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:31.159 conversation and just talking about whatever, and in the middle 230 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.799 of the conversation, he himself said, hey, you know, I 231 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.960 saw you out of body last night. And keep in mind, 232 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.440 I didn't mention this to him at all. I didn't say, 233 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.679 I didn't say beforehand I was going to go meet him. 234 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.000 I didn't tell him anything I was doing afterwards. I 235 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:47.440 didn't mentioned that I tricked that I saw. I didn't 236 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.200 I hadn't mention anything about it. It was just a 237 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:53.000 normal conversation. Who was talking about whatever we talked about. 238 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.759 But he had initiated the discussion. Hey, you know, I 239 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:58.720 saw you out of body last night, And I say, interesting, 240 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:00.679 I said, you know, tell me about a tub of 241 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.080 what happened. And he described me as wearing his big 242 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.120 silly shirt, like this long shirt that had this yellow 243 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.000 band around the center and this gold yellow band in 244 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.720 the center, and he mentioned that it seemed like I 245 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:15.600 was drunk, like he was trying to talk to me, 246 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:19.960 but I wasn't too clear. So I was like, honest, 247 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.960 it's pretty interesting. And that's what eventually you let me 248 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.000 to having these research studies because through the years of 249 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.320 stopping and starting again, like one of the things that 250 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.559 I was interested in was is they experience different if 251 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.279 you do different techniques, Because some people like to read 252 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:38.879 their book or you talk to them, they will swear 253 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.360 it you know, it has to be done this particular 254 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.440 way or their technique is the best. And I wasn't 255 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:50.720 even clear different techniques caused different experiences. But by this 256 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.559 time I had, you know, had off and on decades 257 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:59.120 of experiences and I've taught people one on one before, 258 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.799 and so what I did was the first thing I 259 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.320 did was I took all my understanding and codified it 260 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.960 into a system, as you can call it the burying method, 261 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.600 generating now by the experience and basically the idea was 262 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:14.759 I recognized that you ended different techniques you use in 263 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:16.720 the end you have to reach an off the state. 264 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.360 And I also codify many of the techniques I used, 265 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:23.960 and even techniques that were similar to this technique or 266 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.200 fit a certain modality that would work, like codified a 267 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:32.759 system and put it into a book form. And in 268 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:36.720 this process I started my first rousher study who I 269 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.039 was teaching people how to do it, just to confirm 270 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.639 that the methodology work. So basically I would write up 271 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.000 a sort of treatise to get to the people that 272 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.879 are there and go ahead and teach them the process. 273 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:54.200 And so far everybody who's applied themselves succeeded. Usually it 274 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:57.519 ended up being a lot more people who show interest 275 00:14:57.639 --> 00:15:00.440 than who actually want to apply themselves to do it. 276 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.840 Just like any skills, it takes some time and it 277 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.519 takes some effort to learn. But like I said, that, 278 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:09.320 everybody who actually commits themselves to learn and applied everything 279 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.919 they learned. So I started with individual people and eventually 280 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.600 I started it sort of the group research studies. The 281 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.799 most populated one was I guess, let me see what 282 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.480 year was that. It was in twenty twenty and thirty 283 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.919 one people showed interest in enjoying the study. Out of 284 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.080 those thirty one, looks like thirteen people actually started the course. 285 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.879 And my methodology breaks it up into basically basics training 286 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:39.080 where you learn to develop the foundational skills you need, 287 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:43.200 and then the astroematic training where you actually practice and 288 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.039 apply the technique to get out of body. So out 289 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:50.159 of those thirteen people that started, eight people completed the 290 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.679 basis course and some of them had out about experiences 291 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:57.080 even doing the basics part, and two people completed the 292 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.440 entire program, and throughout the core UH several people had 293 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:04.480 out of about experiences. So the number of obe through 294 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.279 out the whole course, looking at the day day was 295 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.759 eight total out of the people. And usually when you 296 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.559 have the initial out about experience, it's like doesn't really 297 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:15.440 go you know, like travel the unifors the first time 298 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:17.720 you know see these people. They floated out of all 299 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.759 and to the ceiling, or they happened to walk around 300 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.519 the house, or one of them, one of my students, 301 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.720 actually went and performed a sort of non physical healing 302 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.039 on one of their pets. So they were out. Some 303 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.240 of them experienced a body when they got out, some 304 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.159 was as a point of contoueness or the experience of 305 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:38.039 the people arranged specific details valued within the range of 306 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.600 experiences you can have. As a rule, a lot of 307 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:42.440 them were pretty sharp, like they were only out for 308 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.360 a few minutes. One of the things that taught me 309 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.919 was that the experience is teachable and learnable, and people 310 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:51.600 like Rob and mun Road, you know, he had experiences 311 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.480 where he went into the future and at least one timeline. 312 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:57.159 He found that it was a pretty common thing for 313 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:00.720 h people to have out of about experiences. So another 314 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:05.680 thing that dove tails into this is my et experiences 315 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:08.920 were like I mentioned how as a kid I sort 316 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.640 of saw the gravings. It was a speed up in here. 317 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:14.839 Like I mentioned, I had dealings with the Newabbian cult 318 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.759 where they zorry into the like et ideas, but and 319 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:20.079 then it was just you know, just a cult. Let 320 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:24.400 a boy, this charismatic charlatan who's actually in prison right now, 321 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.799 it spicely to say. After that, I started to try 322 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.680 to see what I can do to make some contact 323 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.440 on my own. And one of the more prominent experiences 324 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.640 I had was that the period of time, like in 325 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:43.079 my readings, understanding was that these beings are cheleopathicking can 326 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:46.359 perceive your perceive intentions to some extent. So I would 327 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:50.359 sit in meditation and willed or intend to see something, 328 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.240 to see a craft or being or something. One night 329 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:55.319 I was driving home from work. I used to work 330 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.480 at a job where I got off at night. Shou'd 331 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.079 always be on the lookout to see if I can 332 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.880 see something. And I saw these flashers in the clouds, 333 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.039 like these pink flashes. So it seemed pretty strange, but 334 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:09.640 I decided that I would drive to the wherever the 335 00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:11.680 flashes were. Therefore I had to drive. I would go 336 00:18:11.799 --> 00:18:14.119 drive to see where they worked. So it happened. I 337 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:16.200 was able to drive like pretty much like I was 338 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:19.279 going home, except I have to go past my house 339 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:20.920 and go to this I guess you could say the 340 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.680 undeveloped subdivision that was like they cleared out this area 341 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.279 that eventually was built up until a subdivision. But at 342 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:29.559 this point it was only like one house, mostly just 343 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.119 like empty fields and stuff like that. But across on 344 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.720 the other side of one of the field there was 345 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:39.160 a levee, and across the levee there was a forest, 346 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:44.440 and over that forest was this large, you know cloud bank. 347 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.920 One of the clouds. It was blinking its pink light. 348 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:50.359 So I parked my car and I looked at the 349 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.519 cloud and what I saw was this. The light started 350 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:55.799 to blink fast and fast and faster until there was 351 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:59.839 a solided light and this object that was shaped like 352 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:02.720 the best way to describe it, it's like a if 353 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:04.720 you was a few nickels and stack them on top 354 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.039 of each other, you will see like a tube, I 355 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:08.680 guess you could say. But it was a short two 356 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.839 on like a barrel, like a not as tall as 357 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.000 a barrel, but less sa a short study barrel. On 358 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.480 the outside, you can see what looked like portholes. So 359 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:19.720 if you're familiar with seeing like a gold or something 360 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.359 like that, where there's these circular windows, it was like 361 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.519 these circlear windows going around the entire thing, and underneath 362 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:30.440 it was it was opening like if you imagine like 363 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.240 the back of a of a jet, like a Fier jet, 364 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.960 you can see the little circular opening and fire underneath it. 365 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.279 Imagine something like that, but it was underneath the entire 366 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.920 bottom of the of the object, and instead of being fired, 367 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.160 it's like a It looked like a neon like if 368 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:47.839 you look at a neon sign, you can see like 369 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.319 it looks like a little tube of lights. It was 370 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.000 something like that, but except the it was like a 371 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.799 pink neon light, but it was just moving. You could 372 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:59.039 see these lines of light that it was just constantly 373 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:02.680 moving underneath the the object and that's what was emitting 374 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:07.000 the peak globe. It's pretty interesting. So at this point 375 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.319 I'm actually I say all these experiences, but I do 376 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.279 recognize that there's problem will work to be done as 377 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:16.039 far as validating, And that's one reason why I started 378 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.839 doing research studies and trying to teach people, because I 379 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.839 think first the out of idy things, I'm aware that 380 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.119 people have done things to try to For instance, they 381 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:31.359 will put like a number, or there's this long number 382 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:34.480 of code or something, they paced it above some high 383 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.519 thing in an operating room or something and try to 384 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:40.200 see if somebody to see it while they're under anesthesia, 385 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:43.319 if they have a near death experience, or people go 386 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.400 out and try to see something him to a wall 387 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:51.440 in a different location or something like that. My understanding 388 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.799 is that those types of experiences hasn't had a lot 389 00:20:54.880 --> 00:20:58.440 of success, and I think it's because receptions, like we're 390 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.880 not totally clear about exactly what level or frequency we're 391 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:04.880 perceiving it. Like, you know, we aware that we have 392 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:09.359 solid liquid and gas in a physical growth sense, but 393 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:14.319 I'm not really certain that we see a direct representation 394 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.960 of the physical world as we normally think of it. 395 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:19.039 It could be that we're seeing like some we can 396 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:21.480 talk about in the theoric level. It's sort of like 397 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.400 not necessarily totally physical, but at the same time into 398 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.319 penetrating the physical switch it relates. So I think that's 399 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.920 why I was able to have such a very direct 400 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.799 confirmation with my friend Lewis, because in that experience he 401 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.759