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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 2: all doing this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is
Speaker 2: the UFO Chronicles Podcast. Tonight's guest is Darryl E. Berry Junior.
Speaker 2: Come into us from the state of Texas in the US,
Speaker 2: and tonight darylill be sharing his our body experiences and
Speaker 2: what he has learned during his exploration. Daryl has also
Speaker 2: written a book called Travel Far, a Beginner's Guide to
Speaker 2: Outer Body Experiences, including first hand accounts and comprehensive theory
Speaker 2: and methods.
Speaker 6: Had experience in.
Speaker 2: Meeting ets the UFO, which he believed was a craft.
Speaker 2: He was also briefly involved in the New Wabian cult,
Speaker 2: but exited in the early two thousands.
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Speaker 4: Hello, Darryl, Welcome.
Speaker 6: To the podcast.
Speaker 1: Hello, that's nature.
Speaker 6: Nice to meet you too.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on today, and you're calling from
Speaker 2: Texas in the US.
Speaker 1: That is correct.
Speaker 2: Now, Daryl, you have some experiences you're going to be
Speaker 2: sharing with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir.
Speaker 1: Certainly. My experience has started back in the early eighties,
Speaker 1: so basically the majority of my experiences can be described
Speaker 1: as along the outabout experience lines as well as eat
Speaker 1: and counterlines. From there, I experienced several things and started
Speaker 1: to get into an idea of wanting to develop more
Speaker 1: evidence for it, and that's where I started doing research
Speaker 1: studies and developed their means to teach others. And I
Speaker 1: guess that's where I'm at now, is trying to lead
Speaker 1: towards a more strategic and in depth expirations. So starting
Speaker 1: with the beginning, my experiences started before I knew anything
Speaker 1: about it. So basically I was about four or five
Speaker 1: years old, and there was an evening where I suddenly
Speaker 1: started to feel sort of heavy lethargic, and I figured
Speaker 1: I would go lie down until I felt better. So
Speaker 1: I told my mom I was about to go lie down,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't feeling well, and at some point I
Speaker 1: started to feel a whole lot better, so I figured
Speaker 1: I would go get up and let her know that
Speaker 1: I was feeling better. I suppose I was feeling bad
Speaker 1: when I got up out of bed. I went to
Speaker 1: go open the door, but my hand went to the doorknob,
Speaker 1: and so I didn't really know what was going on.
Speaker 1: I tried to open the door a few times, and
Speaker 1: it just wasn't working because I couldn't actually grab the doorknob.
Speaker 1: So I looked back on the dead. I saw on
Speaker 1: the dead that I realized I recognized was my physical body.
Speaker 1: So that's when I walked through the door and walked
Speaker 1: through the house and when in some of mom in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, So that's how it started from there. I
Speaker 1: had many different experiences. Ironically, that's when I first got
Speaker 1: introduced to the sort of eaty phenomena as well, because
Speaker 1: there was a period of time when I would be
Speaker 1: visited by what I later understood or the common term
Speaker 1: would be gray beings. So I used to see them
Speaker 1: pretty regularly for a period of time, and that's how
Speaker 1: my experiences first begin. So a few internocent things I
Speaker 1: had during that period of time, Like one experience I
Speaker 1: had was simply walking around the neighborhood. I wrote a
Speaker 1: book with many of these many of these experiences in
Speaker 1: they're called travel Far, and I called it walking walking
Speaker 1: around the neighborhood. I used to just spontaneously either throw
Speaker 1: it up to the ceiling or just find myself walking
Speaker 1: around and one and the resting time I was walking
Speaker 1: down the street. At this time, it became pretty normal
Speaker 1: for me. I saw what looked like these two sort
Speaker 1: of grimmining like being standing on either side of this portal.
Speaker 1: And I remember the portal. It was oval shaped, it
Speaker 1: was tall, like maybe eight ten twelve feet tall, and
Speaker 1: it was made of these red and black sort of
Speaker 1: checkerboard pattern, but the colors were alternating colors, so like
Speaker 1: the black checkerboards would turn red and the red would
Speaker 1: turn black. And I recognized there was one It seemed
Speaker 1: to be a sort of portal that you can go
Speaker 1: to a different location. I was so afraid to go in.
Speaker 1: But that's one of the experiences that stick out in
Speaker 1: my mind. There was a long period of time where
Speaker 1: that's pretty much as I did, would just you know,
Speaker 1: walk around five different places. Eventually I learned to do it.
Speaker 1: Came a point in time when I realized that you
Speaker 1: can meet different beings. So there's a period of time
Speaker 1: when I met various Nona physical entities, which is only
Speaker 1: reason why I was so reticent to watch horror movies
Speaker 1: because oftentimes I would end up seeing some of the
Speaker 1: things in these experiences I recognize now, and really during
Speaker 1: a period of time, I recognized as well. It seemed
Speaker 1: like there was an entity that took the form of Freddy.
Speaker 1: You remember the Freddy entity. He actually would chase me
Speaker 1: for around the neighborhood for weeks until I eventually got
Speaker 1: tired enough of him, and I realized that we could
Speaker 1: actually defend myself in that state, which actually brought on
Speaker 1: experiences where I helped people in that in that situation.
Speaker 1: I remember one time I was I was spontaneously, I
Speaker 1: became aware flying through this realm with a group of
Speaker 1: other beings, and I saw this little girl being chased
Speaker 1: around by this entity similar to how I remember myself being.
Speaker 1: And I went and I disposed of the entity that
Speaker 1: you could you could punch, kick, fight it, various things,
Speaker 1: And I remember bringing her back to her body and
Speaker 1: uh and I remember visiting her a few nights in
Speaker 1: the out of aidy state to see if she was okay.
Speaker 1: So at the time these experiences, I thought everybody must
Speaker 1: have had these experiences because nobody they was ever talking
Speaker 1: about it. At the time, I didn't really have to
Speaker 1: do anything to cause it to happen. Eventually I learned
Speaker 1: to control it to a certain model, to an extent.
Speaker 1: But what happened is over time I sort of got
Speaker 1: out of the practice, and years later when I started
Speaker 1: to run into things like books on out about experiences,
Speaker 1: and there was a period of time when when aliens
Speaker 1: started to become properler in mainstream media, and I started
Speaker 1: to come across the concept of grade. I thought, that's
Speaker 1: that's what that's what that was with what was going on.
Speaker 1: Then I had the idea of learning how to cause
Speaker 1: the experience. And the resting thing was since I had
Speaker 1: a lot of experiences by that time, off and on,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess several several hundreds, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't keep counter what have you. But ironically I
Speaker 1: had stopped for so long that I had to learn
Speaker 1: how to do it. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: happened was I would get these various of books and
Speaker 1: I noticed that they had several things that I recognized
Speaker 1: to be incorrect. Like one of the things that sticks
Speaker 1: out was some of the books would fanstant say and
Speaker 1: do you have to be in only a particular position,
Speaker 1: you have to have your head face in the north,
Speaker 1: and all of these things like that, And I never
Speaker 1: had to worry about any of that, so I would
Speaker 1: At the same time, they had a lot of good
Speaker 1: information as well. But over time I was able to
Speaker 1: pray myself to do it again, and usually it was
Speaker 1: for specific purposes, Like there was one period of time
Speaker 1: when I had a great fear of debt. I was wondering,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't sure exactly what would happened, and
Speaker 1: I remember the out about experiences I had, so I figured,
Speaker 1: let me try to do that again and see if
Speaker 1: I could figure out what happened after debt. Around this
Speaker 1: period of time, my grandmother had died and I was
Speaker 1: able to get out and see her. This is past
Speaker 1: the time Robert Monroe had died, so he's a popular
Speaker 1: person who wrote books on out about experiences, and I
Speaker 1: was able to get out and see him as well.
Speaker 1: Then I would like to get caught up in life
Speaker 1: and stop again. Then I would start up again, and
Speaker 1: let's say, another period of time. I wanted to see
Speaker 1: ex structure racist like going to out of space. So
Speaker 1: I did that a little bit. There's another period of
Speaker 1: time which is an interesting experience. I wanted to get
Speaker 1: some kind of evidence that is real, like you know,
Speaker 1: how do you know if you're not just making it up?
Speaker 1: So I actually met Over the years, I will meet
Speaker 1: people online who could do it, or at least said
Speaker 1: they can do it, like some of them, at least
Speaker 1: one of them I've verified equipm'ent really just wanted attention.
Speaker 1: With one of the friends that I had named Lewis,
Speaker 1: he was able to generate that it by the experience,
Speaker 1: very very good at it. So I figured what I
Speaker 1: would do was this is a period of time when
Speaker 1: I was practicing again, and I figured I would get
Speaker 1: out and go to him and try to see if
Speaker 1: I can verify the experience. So what I did was,
Speaker 1: I figured I would try to do a few things
Speaker 1: to make the experience unique. Since I decided I would
Speaker 1: change my appearance. And what I learned was in an
Speaker 1: out of body state, you could change your physical oppearance.
Speaker 1: You can change uh, we'll clothes you're wearing. So I
Speaker 1: decided to dress myself in this long white robe, and
Speaker 1: I decided to also put a gold band around the
Speaker 1: center of the rope. It is time I never saw before.
Speaker 1: I don't think pretty common for people to have a
Speaker 1: robe with a gold band around the center. Also came
Speaker 1: up with other things that I would like, say, some
Speaker 1: kind of strange word or something like that. And that
Speaker 1: night I attended and out about experience and I tended
Speaker 1: to generate one than I did. And I remember going
Speaker 1: out and meeting him, and but I was you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't in practice for in that new state of practicing.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in practice for a while at that time.
Speaker 1: So I came out. I was kind of groggy. I
Speaker 1: wasn't fully aware. I was like in a semicotra state
Speaker 1: enough to be aware that I was out of body.
Speaker 1: But you could imagine, like they did wake up in
Speaker 1: the middle of a night's sleep, and you wake up
Speaker 1: and you're not fully awaken, kind of galdy. It takes
Speaker 1: a little while way up. I was somewhere in that
Speaker 1: level of acconsciousness. So I got out, I saw him,
Speaker 1: We had a brief interaction, and the experience didn't last
Speaker 1: that long. It ended pretty quickly on my side because
Speaker 1: I wasn't fully fully aware and clear and at a
Speaker 1: speriod of time. And him, we used to talk on
Speaker 1: the phone pretty often, so it wasn't unusual for us
Speaker 1: to have a phone conversation and talk about this or that.
Speaker 1: So the next day we were having our usual phone
Speaker 1: conversation and just talking about whatever, and in the middle
Speaker 1: of the conversation, he himself said, hey, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw you out of body last night. And keep in mind,
Speaker 1: I didn't mention this to him at all. I didn't say,
Speaker 1: I didn't say beforehand I was going to go meet him.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell him anything I was doing afterwards. I
Speaker 1: didn't mentioned that I tricked that I saw. I didn't
Speaker 1: I hadn't mention anything about it. It was just a
Speaker 1: normal conversation. Who was talking about whatever we talked about.
Speaker 1: But he had initiated the discussion. Hey, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw you out of body last night, And I say, interesting,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, tell me about a tub of
Speaker 1: what happened. And he described me as wearing his big
Speaker 1: silly shirt, like this long shirt that had this yellow
Speaker 1: band around the center and this gold yellow band in
Speaker 1: the center, and he mentioned that it seemed like I
Speaker 1: was drunk, like he was trying to talk to me,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't too clear. So I was like, honest,
Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting. And that's what eventually you let me
Speaker 1: to having these research studies because through the years of
Speaker 1: stopping and starting again, like one of the things that
Speaker 1: I was interested in was is they experience different if
Speaker 1: you do different techniques, Because some people like to read
Speaker 1: their book or you talk to them, they will swear
Speaker 1: it you know, it has to be done this particular
Speaker 1: way or their technique is the best. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: even clear different techniques caused different experiences. But by this
Speaker 1: time I had, you know, had off and on decades
Speaker 1: of experiences and I've taught people one on one before,
Speaker 1: and so what I did was the first thing I
Speaker 1: did was I took all my understanding and codified it
Speaker 1: into a system, as you can call it the burying method,
Speaker 1: generating now by the experience and basically the idea was
Speaker 1: I recognized that you ended different techniques you use in
Speaker 1: the end you have to reach an off the state.
Speaker 1: And I also codify many of the techniques I used,
Speaker 1: and even techniques that were similar to this technique or
Speaker 1: fit a certain modality that would work, like codified a
Speaker 1: system and put it into a book form. And in
Speaker 1: this process I started my first rousher study who I
Speaker 1: was teaching people how to do it, just to confirm
Speaker 1: that the methodology work. So basically I would write up
Speaker 1: a sort of treatise to get to the people that
Speaker 1: are there and go ahead and teach them the process.
Speaker 1: And so far everybody who's applied themselves succeeded. Usually it
Speaker 1: ended up being a lot more people who show interest
Speaker 1: than who actually want to apply themselves to do it.
Speaker 1: Just like any skills, it takes some time and it
Speaker 1: takes some effort to learn. But like I said, that,
Speaker 1: everybody who actually commits themselves to learn and applied everything
Speaker 1: they learned. So I started with individual people and eventually
Speaker 1: I started it sort of the group research studies. The
Speaker 1: most populated one was I guess, let me see what
Speaker 1: year was that. It was in twenty twenty and thirty
Speaker 1: one people showed interest in enjoying the study. Out of
Speaker 1: those thirty one, looks like thirteen people actually started the course.
Speaker 1: And my methodology breaks it up into basically basics training
Speaker 1: where you learn to develop the foundational skills you need,
Speaker 1: and then the astroematic training where you actually practice and
Speaker 1: apply the technique to get out of body. So out
Speaker 1: of those thirteen people that started, eight people completed the
Speaker 1: basis course and some of them had out about experiences
Speaker 1: even doing the basics part, and two people completed the
Speaker 1: entire program, and throughout the core UH several people had
Speaker 1: out of about experiences. So the number of obe through
Speaker 1: out the whole course, looking at the day day was
Speaker 1: eight total out of the people. And usually when you
Speaker 1: have the initial out about experience, it's like doesn't really
Speaker 1: go you know, like travel the unifors the first time
Speaker 1: you know see these people. They floated out of all
Speaker 1: and to the ceiling, or they happened to walk around
Speaker 1: the house, or one of them, one of my students,
Speaker 1: actually went and performed a sort of non physical healing
Speaker 1: on one of their pets. So they were out. Some
Speaker 1: of them experienced a body when they got out, some
Speaker 1: was as a point of contoueness or the experience of
Speaker 1: the people arranged specific details valued within the range of
Speaker 1: experiences you can have. As a rule, a lot of
Speaker 1: them were pretty sharp, like they were only out for
Speaker 1: a few minutes. One of the things that taught me
Speaker 1: was that the experience is teachable and learnable, and people
Speaker 1: like Rob and mun Road, you know, he had experiences
Speaker 1: where he went into the future and at least one timeline.
Speaker 1: He found that it was a pretty common thing for
Speaker 1: h people to have out of about experiences. So another
Speaker 1: thing that dove tails into this is my et experiences
Speaker 1: were like I mentioned how as a kid I sort
Speaker 1: of saw the gravings. It was a speed up in here.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, I had dealings with the Newabbian cult
Speaker 1: where they zorry into the like et ideas, but and
Speaker 1: then it was just you know, just a cult. Let
Speaker 1: a boy, this charismatic charlatan who's actually in prison right now,
Speaker 1: it spicely to say. After that, I started to try
Speaker 1: to see what I can do to make some contact
Speaker 1: on my own. And one of the more prominent experiences
Speaker 1: I had was that the period of time, like in
Speaker 1: my readings, understanding was that these beings are cheleopathicking can
Speaker 1: perceive your perceive intentions to some extent. So I would
Speaker 1: sit in meditation and willed or intend to see something,
Speaker 1: to see a craft or being or something. One night
Speaker 1: I was driving home from work. I used to work
Speaker 1: at a job where I got off at night. Shou'd
Speaker 1: always be on the lookout to see if I can
Speaker 1: see something. And I saw these flashers in the clouds,
Speaker 1: like these pink flashes. So it seemed pretty strange, but
Speaker 1: I decided that I would drive to the wherever the
Speaker 1: flashes were. Therefore I had to drive. I would go
Speaker 1: drive to see where they worked. So it happened. I
Speaker 1: was able to drive like pretty much like I was
Speaker 1: going home, except I have to go past my house
Speaker 1: and go to this I guess you could say the
Speaker 1: undeveloped subdivision that was like they cleared out this area
Speaker 1: that eventually was built up until a subdivision. But at
Speaker 1: this point it was only like one house, mostly just
Speaker 1: like empty fields and stuff like that. But across on
Speaker 1: the other side of one of the field there was
Speaker 1: a levee, and across the levee there was a forest,
Speaker 1: and over that forest was this large, you know cloud bank.
Speaker 1: One of the clouds. It was blinking its pink light.
Speaker 1: So I parked my car and I looked at the
Speaker 1: cloud and what I saw was this. The light started
Speaker 1: to blink fast and fast and faster until there was
Speaker 1: a solided light and this object that was shaped like
Speaker 1: the best way to describe it, it's like a if
Speaker 1: you was a few nickels and stack them on top
Speaker 1: of each other, you will see like a tube, I
Speaker 1: guess you could say. But it was a short two
Speaker 1: on like a barrel, like a not as tall as
Speaker 1: a barrel, but less sa a short study barrel. On
Speaker 1: the outside, you can see what looked like portholes. So
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with seeing like a gold or something
Speaker 1: like that, where there's these circular windows, it was like
Speaker 1: these circlear windows going around the entire thing, and underneath
Speaker 1: it was it was opening like if you imagine like
Speaker 1: the back of a of a jet, like a Fier jet,
Speaker 1: you can see the little circular opening and fire underneath it.
Speaker 1: Imagine something like that, but it was underneath the entire
Speaker 1: bottom of the of the object, and instead of being fired,
Speaker 1: it's like a It looked like a neon like if
Speaker 1: you look at a neon sign, you can see like
Speaker 1: it looks like a little tube of lights. It was
Speaker 1: something like that, but except the it was like a
Speaker 1: pink neon light, but it was just moving. You could
Speaker 1: see these lines of light that it was just constantly
Speaker 1: moving underneath the the object and that's what was emitting
Speaker 1: the peak globe. It's pretty interesting. So at this point
Speaker 1: I'm actually I say all these experiences, but I do
Speaker 1: recognize that there's problem will work to be done as
Speaker 1: far as validating, And that's one reason why I started
Speaker 1: doing research studies and trying to teach people, because I
Speaker 1: think first the out of idy things, I'm aware that
Speaker 1: people have done things to try to For instance, they
Speaker 1: will put like a number, or there's this long number
Speaker 1: of code or something, they paced it above some high
Speaker 1: thing in an operating room or something and try to
Speaker 1: see if somebody to see it while they're under anesthesia,
Speaker 1: if they have a near death experience, or people go
Speaker 1: out and try to see something him to a wall
Speaker 1: in a different location or something like that. My understanding
Speaker 1: is that those types of experiences hasn't had a lot
Speaker 1: of success, and I think it's because receptions, like we're
Speaker 1: not totally clear about exactly what level or frequency we're
Speaker 1: perceiving it. Like, you know, we aware that we have
Speaker 1: solid liquid and gas in a physical growth sense, but
Speaker 1: I'm not really certain that we see a direct representation
Speaker 1: of the physical world as we normally think of it.
Speaker 1: It could be that we're seeing like some we can
Speaker 1: talk about in the theoric level. It's sort of like
Speaker 1: not necessarily totally physical, but at the same time into
Speaker 1: penetrating the physical switch it relates. So I think that's
Speaker 1: why I was able to have such a very direct
Speaker 1: confirmation with my friend Lewis, because in that experience he
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to like see something pieces somewhere. It was
Speaker 1: an interaction between somebody else and the out of Budy States.
Speaker 1: But I think if we had more experiences like that,
Speaker 1: then we might be able to get verification of a
Speaker 1: different kind where we can go out and confirm the
Speaker 1: experiences and past information. And I'm interested in people who
Speaker 1: interested in learning, So if anybody is, you can contact me.
Speaker 1: You can go to Nextgencity or any x T D
Speaker 1: E N S, side t y dot org, extensity dot org.
Speaker 1: And I'm in the rest of in teaching more so
Speaker 1: you can learn and so people can learn, and we
Speaker 1: could do more things like that and test, and of
Speaker 1: course you want to explore yourself, Like one of the
Speaker 1: things that motivate me is, like I mentioned, centered life
Speaker 1: after death, Uh, just exploring experience itself, testing to see
Speaker 1: with different techniques do different things. By the way, I
Speaker 1: mentioned that, my conclusion I came to was that the
Speaker 1: different techniques caused the same experience, even though it can
Speaker 1: start in different ways. Like some techniques you actually have
Speaker 1: to move to initiate the experience, like you have to
Speaker 1: roll or you know, sit up or and send yourself
Speaker 1: to float. Some techniques utilize it automatically, folks, you out,
Speaker 1: some techniques you automatically end up in the non physical realm.
Speaker 1: So different techniques you do might initiate the experience in
Speaker 1: a certain way. But I've instance, went out by rolling
Speaker 1: and rolling out in their parent physical environment and transition
Speaker 1: to a non physical realm. And conversely, I've started in
Speaker 1: non physical realms and transitioned back. So no matter what
Speaker 1: technique you find, it seems like you have the same experience.
Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure the technique I used to get
Speaker 1: out to meet Lewis, he I'm sure you didn't use
Speaker 1: the same technique because you know, you know, but we
Speaker 1: still was able to interact in the same state. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: actually had another research study with others who can out
Speaker 1: of by the exploit was me, Lewis and another guy.
Speaker 1: Lewis was able to have a confirmation with the other
Speaker 1: participants and doing that study. So I think that that
Speaker 1: sort of experimentation has a lot of promise as far
Speaker 1: as validation. So it does take some efforts and work.
Speaker 1: So what I do is I trained people like I
Speaker 1: mentioned as a basic phase, and then there's a sort
Speaker 1: of extumatic phase. So I take the basic phase week
Speaker 1: by week, and then those who pass that phase and
Speaker 1: we can go to a month by month basis get
Speaker 1: them to the out of body state, and eventually, I'm
Speaker 1: sure in the future we'll have more people who can
Speaker 1: do it, and and they we'll be able to do
Speaker 1: more experiments and tests like that. And even with the
Speaker 1: eachy stuff, you know, I'm more reserved about conclusions about
Speaker 1: what's going on because I do think there's still more
Speaker 1: testing that needs to be done, whether it be a
Speaker 1: more concerted effort to get photographs or things like that.
Speaker 1: You know that there's people who give accounts like David
Speaker 1: Day dare down craft and are parts of craft has
Speaker 1: been recovered. So I mean, if we can get more
Speaker 1: hands on experience with that, of course that will definitely help.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you know, notwithstanding the government becoming
Speaker 1: honest about such things. Weigal word together to try to
Speaker 1: get more concrete data on that. I think that could
Speaker 1: be that will go along with as well, so that
Speaker 1: we can try to bring all of these things into
Speaker 1: a more concrete realm. And I was listening to one
Speaker 1: of your podcasts I noticed the guest was saying something
Speaker 1: I've common to hear people say, they discuss these things
Speaker 1: as paranormal, and which to us, to an extent, if
Speaker 1: you can call it that in the sense, is not
Speaker 1: normally discussed or accept it. But if these things are
Speaker 1: to be taken as something real, and to me it
Speaker 1: all seems to be normal, even though it might be
Speaker 1: a different a frequency that we may not be able
Speaker 1: to technologically address. Like, for instance, as you go back
Speaker 1: a few decades, even quantum technically could be considered paranormal,
Speaker 1: like we didn't really have an understanding of how to
Speaker 1: handle things of a quantum nature. We weren't even sure
Speaker 1: quantum nature was real. But of course now we have
Speaker 1: things that demonstrate the quantum nature of things, like the
Speaker 1: Frank Hurts experiment that we did in my lab not
Speaker 1: too long ago that demonstrates the quantum nature of things.
Speaker 1: We have the shorter equation where we can calculate the
Speaker 1: probabilities of particles being in certain states. So both experimentally
Speaker 1: and theoretically we have a handle on that, but there's
Speaker 1: a pod of time where we didn't. So my perspective
Speaker 1: is that we need to look at it from that
Speaker 1: perspective and recognize that in order to bring these things
Speaker 1: into a more stable state, we need to start getting
Speaker 1: a more robust understanding of them from an experiential basis,
Speaker 1: and then start to develop some kind of way to
Speaker 1: quantify it as well. So I don't have an idea
Speaker 1: of how long that'll take to do. Sure to be
Speaker 1: a hard task, or we'll need a Frenchy out of
Speaker 1: bud the thing. We'll probably need a whole lot more
Speaker 1: people who can actually do it to a higher degree
Speaker 1: so we could do enough experiments and tests it could
Speaker 1: be accepted. Or with the eat thing, like I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some things that seem to be you know, like
Speaker 1: there was the Phoenix flights thing that happened that a
Speaker 1: lot of people saw. It can still be dismissed in
Speaker 1: various ways. Get more concrete. It's just footage by multiple people,
Speaker 1: concrete hands on h I there's somebody's in the government
Speaker 1: that has the hands of some kind of technology to
Speaker 1: bring it forward. I know there's people that are trying
Speaker 1: to get that out. Whatever the case is, I think
Speaker 1: these things need to be brought to the four more
Speaker 1: robust way where we stop thinking about it in the
Speaker 1: sense of mystical and paranormal and thinking what can we
Speaker 1: do to bring these things more into an understanding of
Speaker 1: an expansion of our current understanding of science, rather than
Speaker 1: some kind of antithesis to it. So set that's a
Speaker 1: pretty much sound monologue. I can be found at either
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Speaker 1: let me know what aspects you might have questions about
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Speaker 2: Help wonderful stuff interesting.
Speaker 6: Sure.
Speaker 2: What I'll do is I'll put the links to your
Speaker 2: website in the description and on our website so people
Speaker 2: can go and visit and explore. We do have a
Speaker 2: lot of listeners which are interested in our body experiences
Speaker 2: and you know, exploring different realms. Some people have various
Speaker 2: different degrees of success. It certainly is fascinating, and you've
Speaker 2: been kind of on this journey and have an interest
Speaker 2: in this since a very young age.
Speaker 1: Just right, And I credit because you know, there's always
Speaker 1: the idea of how do you know as real, like
Speaker 1: either the real experience that naturally occur, or there's some
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, some kind of psychological quirk
Speaker 1: that seems to cause people to have the same experience
Speaker 1: even spontaneously and also have conversations during the experience. So
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that suggests to me the
Speaker 1: ratity of the experience, the fact that it happened at
Speaker 1: such a young age before I knew anything about it.
Speaker 1: Like my introduction to that out about experience wasn't you
Speaker 1: know I saw this book on the shelf and like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's such a things out of out experience, Like I
Speaker 1: had the experience, and then later I thought that, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 2: That was, you know, absolutely, And is it something that
Speaker 2: you can still that you can do you can pretty
Speaker 2: much lie down and then have this experience. I'm pretty
Speaker 2: much on queue no.
Speaker 1: No at the moment I mean when I'm when I'm
Speaker 1: in my careerive practice, I can, but haven't really practiced
Speaker 1: in a while or lately, I've been in school, so
Speaker 1: most of my time is actually doing school work. One
Speaker 1: of the things that motivated me the most was trying
Speaker 1: to answer those questions like do we survive death? Or
Speaker 1: can you meet dead people? Or can I see ets?
Speaker 1: I kind of answered all of my questions, Like all
Speaker 1: the questions that I had, I've answered it. So I
Speaker 1: guess having been so motivated to practice as much recently.
Speaker 1: But you know, usually when I get a student, I
Speaker 1: start practicing against so I can practice along with them.
Speaker 1: But you know, if I if I wanted to, like
Speaker 1: if I wanted to give me a few months and
Speaker 1: I could start getting out again.
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Speaker 2: Do you think there's there's certain triggers that can happen
Speaker 2: that can cause these experiences?
Speaker 1: Well, certain triggers, what do you mean about trigger?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, people talk about meditation, they get into
Speaker 2: a certain relaxed state, but there's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people who have these experiences when they're sometimes under say
Speaker 2: amount of stress. For instance, I had an AWBOD experience,
Speaker 2: which is probably a good ten years ago. So I
Speaker 2: was in my thirt is when I had mine, and
Speaker 2: at the time, I wasn't trying to have an ABOD experience.
Speaker 2: It just kind of just happened. It kind of got
Speaker 2: me really off guard, and during that particular time frame,
Speaker 2: I was dealing with various amounts of stress. So I'm
Speaker 2: just kind of thinking if there's ways things that can
Speaker 2: happen that can kind of bring on these experiences.
Speaker 1: A question our phrase that are slightly different way, our culture,
Speaker 1: a slightly different way. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: realized when I was a kid, like you know, I
Speaker 1: had these experiences and I used to walk a long
Speaker 1: and stuff. But what would happening is even when I didn't,
Speaker 1: in sence, they have an experience. Like there were many
Speaker 1: nights when I would lay down and go to sleep
Speaker 1: and I would just float up and just hover out
Speaker 1: the ciling and I would just float out the ceiling
Speaker 1: all night, and then when the morning came, I would
Speaker 1: just float back down to my body and get up.
Speaker 1: So that was the rest of my first you can
Speaker 1: say introduction to the idea that the experience is really natural.
Speaker 1: So cut to later like there was when there was
Speaker 1: another period of time when I was practicing a lot.
Speaker 1: There were several times when I went out and I
Speaker 1: saw other people. And so I'm mentioning these experience, I
Speaker 1: take the middle note of them, and at the end,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap it up to a point. So if
Speaker 1: we had the experience when I was used to float
Speaker 1: out a lot. Another factor, or I guess you could
Speaker 1: say clue, is like let's say I went out of
Speaker 1: body and I would see like a fern from school right,
Speaker 1: or I would go out and see an ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: or what have you. Like, I'll give you a specific example.
Speaker 1: So this is a period of time when I was
Speaker 1: practicing again. I think at this time, I was just
Speaker 1: practicing this practice and you know, so I got out
Speaker 1: of body. I went and and I happened to see
Speaker 1: anox girlfriend of mine just in a non physical room.
Speaker 1: And I saw her. I saw and she was with
Speaker 1: three other people. It was her guy and another girl
Speaker 1: and another guy. So, you know, I was fully conscious
Speaker 1: at this time. It's a period of time when I
Speaker 1: was practicing pretty pretty often. So I went up and
Speaker 1: I started having a conversation with her, and she had
Speaker 1: a conversation with me like normal, but I noticed that
Speaker 1: her guy friend was very jealous of me, like he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he was like trying to interfere
Speaker 1: with his talk. Because I was like, look, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go do something else. I don't need to do
Speaker 1: with this. I just flow off and just went explored.
Speaker 1: So now I hadn't spoken to her, and at that
Speaker 1: point in like a few years or something, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much time, but it was a while. It
Speaker 1: was it was enough time where I had no idea
Speaker 1: what was going on with her life. But I mean
Speaker 1: we didn't end on bad terms or anything. I still
Speaker 1: had a number, and she knew that I did this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So I called her up and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw you when I was out of
Speaker 1: Ida last night, and I described the scenario to her
Speaker 1: and she said as interested. She said, I have another
Speaker 1: boyfriend right now. I'm in a relationship, and I have
Speaker 1: a female friend, and she has a boyfriend, and the
Speaker 1: four of us go everywhere together. You know, we're always together.
Speaker 1: We're always going all together to eat, and we like
Speaker 1: together all the time. So it was a quite interesting
Speaker 1: that I happened to have an experience and I saw
Speaker 1: all four of them together, and I called rump and
Speaker 1: she's like in the physical world, so and I can
Speaker 1: give you other experiences as well. But I think that
Speaker 1: demonstraates what I'm saying. So I should out to say
Speaker 1: that I think that we routinely go out of body
Speaker 1: as a routine part of our sleep. It's just that
Speaker 1: when I say calls it out about experience, what I
Speaker 1: really mean to say is intentionally calls it out about
Speaker 1: the experience where we're fully conscious in the states. So
Speaker 1: what I find is when I see somebody out of
Speaker 1: ady who is not trained to have out about the
Speaker 1: experiences either them. And like I remember meeting one of
Speaker 1: my high school friends and it's like they're just like
Speaker 1: in some kind of groggy, drunk state where you can't
Speaker 1: have a conversation with them. They're just you know, they're dreaming. Basically,
Speaker 1: they're sleep unconsciously they having a lot about experience we
Speaker 1: don't know it. Or sometimes I meet people like the
Speaker 1: ex I was telling you about, and when you're interacting
Speaker 1: with them, it seems like they're conscious, but the next
Speaker 1: day they have no memory at all. But you can
Speaker 1: mention something to them that you didn't know before. Like
Speaker 1: I mentioned, I saw her with those three people and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh my god, I'm always with my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: And my girl and her boyfriend were always together all
Speaker 1: the time, So that would explain why I saw them,
Speaker 1: because they're together so often that habitually they get together
Speaker 1: when during sleep when they have their spontanus OBEs. And
Speaker 1: I cut back to when I was saying as a child,
Speaker 1: I used to float and just hug at the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Through my reading, I see that that's pretty common, like
Speaker 1: people would get up to float so I said, I
Speaker 1: have to say that routine we have out about experiences,
Speaker 1: but it takes training to be able to be conscious
Speaker 1: and aware doing them. Now, you mentioned triggers like stress.
Speaker 1: Putting all this together, what I'm suggesting to you is
Speaker 1: that there's things that happen like we're in a very
Speaker 1: high period of stress, or some people when they on
Speaker 1: operating table they sit they're going to die. Or some
Speaker 1: people when they let's say they have a period where
Speaker 1: they have to work a lot and they're very sleep deprived.
Speaker 1: You hear people having these out about experiences in these
Speaker 1: I guess you can say we will call them peak states,
Speaker 1: where some kind of peak is happening, whether they're very
Speaker 1: stressed or something. Right is because it seems to me
Speaker 1: my conclusion is that I guess you could say just
Speaker 1: orientation is in some way jolting their conscious to where
Speaker 1: they're becoming aware doing an out about experience that they
Speaker 1: would have otherwise just been unconscious and not remembered. So
Speaker 1: I think that the real and why people like for instance,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't tell you how many I've had hundreds,
Speaker 1: maybe thousands. Right, That's what that means is I've had
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands that I remember or that I've initiated
Speaker 1: consciously with Everybody has had hundreds of thousands of I've
Speaker 1: got experiences. It's just that they're not trained to remember them,
Speaker 1: to understand them, or of course to initiate them consciously.
Speaker 1: And that's why people who only people who have that
Speaker 1: training can actually tell you about these autobiou consperiences, because
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of training to basically budget that
Speaker 1: gap is almost like one way I describe it didn't
Speaker 1: travel far in the book on the topic, it's flexibility
Speaker 1: of consciousness. So basically what happens is we I guess
Speaker 1: I can't say it pulatively, but I guess the state
Speaker 1: of the of consciousness of the human race at this moment,
Speaker 1: we have a very strong dichotomy in our consciousness, you know, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, we have awakening state in a sleeping state
Speaker 1: and a sleeping state only dreams have but it's not
Speaker 1: really real, Like our culture doesn't even place a lot
Speaker 1: of emphasis on it. So basically we train ourselves as
Speaker 1: a matter of culture to not put much attention on
Speaker 1: that aspect. So we train ourselves to be unfocused. We
Speaker 1: call the multitasking, right, it's considered a badge of honor
Speaker 1: of something to be able to do a lot of
Speaker 1: things at once. But really what's going on is we're
Speaker 1: just footing ourselves from one thing to another with a
Speaker 1: very weak attention and we're not able to focus, which
Speaker 1: is why, like you mentioned, people who meditate have these
Speaker 1: experiences as well. In order to meditate, like really be
Speaker 1: able to meditate, I mean it takes training. It takes
Speaker 1: training that develops a strong ability to concentrate. You know,
Speaker 1: meditation is part of some of the basic trainings, our
Speaker 1: training to people to do as I teach them out
Speaker 1: about experience because the teachers concentration. So there's no accident that,
Speaker 1: for instance, people who are long term meditators are more
Speaker 1: prone want to have out about experiences either doing meditation,
Speaker 1: or can more easily learn to travel because they have
Speaker 1: that focused attention, their ability to enter altered states with
Speaker 1: keeping their awareness and tact which again to something as
Speaker 1: a culture, we don't train. We train forget about dreams.
Speaker 1: That is, dreams and what happens while we sleep is
Speaker 1: not important that we wake up and get something done,
Speaker 1: you know, to the extent that being sleep deprived is
Speaker 1: a common thing in our society. You know, being sleep
Speaker 1: deprived is common. You know, people cut their sleep so
Speaker 1: they can be up and doing things physically. So all
Speaker 1: that points to the fact that we've trained ourselves and
Speaker 1: to not be conscious to doing these states, to detegrate
Speaker 1: the value of these states. Therefore, the experience is that
Speaker 1: very few people have out about experiences and a few
Speaker 1: people do, which is why you know, it's convenient to
Speaker 1: talk about it that we often talk about it that
Speaker 1: way because that's I mean, that's the understanding everybody has.
Speaker 1: But questions like this brings up the detail actually getting
Speaker 1: into the needed gritty that really every time everybody goes
Speaker 1: into a sleep, a full sleep, they have a disconnection
Speaker 1: from the physical body. But there's just very few people
Speaker 1: are trained to unders be aware of it. But we
Speaker 1: do have things that happen that give us a joke
Speaker 1: past that barrier stress a cr accident, right, You might
Speaker 1: hear people have a cr accident or something and they're
Speaker 1: hurrying up and they're seeing their body laying, you know,
Speaker 1: next to the car or something like that, and they
Speaker 1: could describe things that happen in the same of the
Speaker 1: common trope of people and operating table floating up and
Speaker 1: seeing it's on the two point. So there's things that
Speaker 1: drained us through that even though normally we can't do it.
Speaker 1: But that's why those same people maybe doing that high
Speaker 1: period of stress, they might have an out of out experience,
Speaker 1: but outside of that, you know, maybe they don't even
Speaker 1: remember dreams. So it does take you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I want I want to adjust people to just keep
Speaker 1: stressing themselves out of the die or heart effects project.
Speaker 1: Better to just actually learn how to have it, and
Speaker 1: then you can start actually having it as will consciously.
Speaker 1: And when you start to be able to consciously have it,
Speaker 1: then you start to be able to remember the ones
Speaker 1: you unconsciously have. So like I said, as a kid,
Speaker 1: when I used to generate them off things, even though
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, I would just float out of
Speaker 1: buy it and help out the ceiling. So because it
Speaker 1: was just that my mind was trained to the point
Speaker 1: that I was just aware of doing that state. It
Speaker 1: even gets to a point like I remember, there was
Speaker 1: a period of time I remember exactly when, off the
Speaker 1: top of my head, I would say it is around
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, when I was training a lot,
Speaker 1: like I was just you know, I was just getting
Speaker 1: out of buy it. Like you mentioned being able to
Speaker 1: get out of our will. I was at that point.
Speaker 1: I was able just to get out of that will.
Speaker 1: I could just do whatever I wanted. I could just
Speaker 1: get out. And it got to the point that I
Speaker 1: didn't lose awareness at all, Like I would never lose awareness,
Speaker 1: Like I'll be up physically like we're talking right now,
Speaker 1: and I would go lay down and I would be
Speaker 1: fully conscious laying down, and then I would just being
Speaker 1: out of body state. There would be no break of
Speaker 1: consciousness and I would just get have to walk around
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I was conscious twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: the inbody or out of bout it. But that actually
Speaker 1: got pretty tiresome. I was let that guy out of
Speaker 1: it till I was so I was able to actually
Speaker 1: experience some moments of unconsciousness. But it is possible to
Speaker 1: get to that point.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: One thing I hear quite often when people talk about
Speaker 2: what experiences is that a lot of people are very
Speaker 2: interested in trying it, but the biggest holdback for them
Speaker 2: is they are scared that if they do attempt it
Speaker 2: and they do leave their body, that they're going to
Speaker 2: be restricted and not being able to return is that possible.
Speaker 1: Well, in the short term, yes, let me give it.
Speaker 1: Let me give you a specific example. This was a
Speaker 1: period of time when I was training pretty often and
Speaker 1: I was trying a different technique. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I I was trying to just confirm what was going on,
Speaker 1: and initially it is that about experience. Tryer. I did
Speaker 1: a few things, and I went back to my body
Speaker 1: and I tried to get back in and I couldn't. So,
Speaker 1: you know, another living room, I'm seeing my body on
Speaker 1: the floor. I used to like, like as I perid,
Speaker 1: I used to like play in the living room and
Speaker 1: just get out. But what I did was I just
Speaker 1: sat down by my body and just sat there and waited,
Speaker 1: and eventually I just lost the awareness and woke up.
Speaker 1: So I said after saying that if your body is
Speaker 1: in deep sleep, then you may not be able to
Speaker 1: get back in during that period of time, but you know,
Speaker 1: once your body is ready to wake up again, then
Speaker 1: you're able to get back in. Specifically, to your point,
Speaker 1: I just want to mention that because I think it's
Speaker 1: a cute story. Specifically is to that point. No, it's
Speaker 1: not my understanding that you can actually literally get locked
Speaker 1: out and just die. Now to be a bit more
Speaker 1: both about it, like I can't prove that to you,
Speaker 1: So I mean I guess to a certain extent there's
Speaker 1: a risk. But like I said, nobody can escape that
Speaker 1: risk because for as my understanding is, everybody does have
Speaker 1: a body experience, just you don't remember it. So the
Speaker 1: only question is going to be whether you train yourself
Speaker 1: to be conscious doing it. But my understanding is there's
Speaker 1: no way you can stop yourself from having that about
Speaker 1: it insist unless you stop yourself from going to sleep,
Speaker 1: and of course if you do that, then you would die.
Speaker 1: Like physical bodies can't survive without sleep. So for instance,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned periods when I was just when I
Speaker 1: didn't lose awareness, like when you go to sleep and
Speaker 1: lay down, one thing, if you're crazy enough where you
Speaker 1: can stay aware, what you'll find is like if you
Speaker 1: observe your physical body going to sleep, you will lay
Speaker 1: down and start going to sleep, and there's a moment
Speaker 1: when you will just slow it up. You'll just fill
Speaker 1: yourself float up like a half an inch. And most people,
Speaker 1: I think that's their sleep state, Like they lose awareness
Speaker 1: and go to sleep, and what happens is their non
Speaker 1: physical body floats out like a few inches and it's
Speaker 1: like interpenetrating and it's just stuck there and they're just
Speaker 1: covering or at the ceiling. But I think most people
Speaker 1: did just just connect just a little bit, and it
Speaker 1: seems to be just like a I guess you could
Speaker 1: say a function of sleep, like you know that we
Speaker 1: have a physical I guess you can say explanation or
Speaker 1: sleep where we say you know you I don't remember
Speaker 1: the way it goes where either we use metatolin when
Speaker 1: we awake and we build it up when we sleep,
Speaker 1: or we use server tory in one of the two.
Speaker 1: But we have like awake chemical and a sleep chemical.
Speaker 1: Then one is burnt up while you're awake and you
Speaker 1: you're generated while you sleep, and the one that the
Speaker 1: sleeping one is burnt up while you sleep goes back
Speaker 1: and forth. Well, I would say from the non physical
Speaker 1: point while you're sleep, there's a slight disconnect, at least
Speaker 1: a slight disconnect between the physical body and non physical
Speaker 1: body doing the deepest part of sleep, right, So I
Speaker 1: think it's just a normal part of going to sleep.
Speaker 1: So there's no way you can get out of that
Speaker 1: generating it consciously is not going to change that. It's
Speaker 1: just you could have some fun while hart is going on.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, whether I think, which is your ultimate question,
Speaker 1: is it possible to go out about it and get
Speaker 1: stuck and can't get back in and die? In my experience, no,
Speaker 1: that's not possible. But again, in the short term, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can go try to get in and realize your
Speaker 1: body is just very sleeping, it's not getting up, and
Speaker 1: get some rest and just sit by it and it'll
Speaker 1: get back up. I only experienced that one time, and
Speaker 1: I'll see another thing as well. I've never had a
Speaker 1: problem when it was a problem. One time, I got out,
Speaker 1: and the details of this experience is vague, except to
Speaker 1: say there was something in the house that I thought
Speaker 1: was physical, so I thought that I got out of
Speaker 1: eut it and somebody had broken the house. So I
Speaker 1: immediately jumped back in, but I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I really needed to get back in, and an experience
Speaker 1: that I was talking about. I got out. I was
Speaker 1: just going around the drip or some things, and usually
Speaker 1: I stay out so long that I just lose awareness
Speaker 1: and wake up, but this time I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what happens if I go try to get in manually.
Speaker 1: You know, that's probably the only time I actually cut
Speaker 1: the experience short and was like, let me just go
Speaker 1: back manually and see what's going on. And that's literally
Speaker 1: the only time I experienced that. But again other time,
Speaker 1: usually I'm just trying to see out as long as
Speaker 1: I can, and eventually my body just gets up. Yah.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be a problem.
Speaker 6: It would make complete sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, body, the soul, it's all one thing, isn't it. Really?
Speaker 2: So I don't ever believe that you really constantly get
Speaker 2: lost in another realm forever. But saying that, people that
Speaker 2: it maybe has happened to and have never returned, we
Speaker 2: would never know because they can't tell us. But I
Speaker 2: know when it happened to me, I was outside of
Speaker 2: my body and it was like a blink of an eye.
Speaker 6: It was that quick.
Speaker 2: It was like just a snap, and it was I
Speaker 2: was straight back in and then my eyes were open
Speaker 2: and I was compressmentus again. But what I am interested in,
Speaker 2: I'm interested in the forms that we project when we
Speaker 2: are outside of our body. Because for me, I could
Speaker 2: not see my body. I could see my body, you know,
Speaker 2: lying in the bed my physical body. But when I
Speaker 2: was outside of my body, I couldn't see anything. I
Speaker 2: couldn't see hands, I couldn't see my body, or I
Speaker 2: was basically just a pair of eyes. But I could
Speaker 2: look around the room, move around freely. It was very vivid,
Speaker 2: it was very real. You talked about envisioning yourself wearing
Speaker 2: like a white garment with a gold ring around the center.
Speaker 2: So it's possible to control your projection in any image?
Speaker 2: Can you can you basically project yourself as being and
Speaker 2: wearing anything?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, my experience is yes, you could. You could
Speaker 1: project yourself experiencing anything. I've even projected myself as female before,
Speaker 1: just to see if it's possible for you. Is the
Speaker 1: form is very invaluable. You can make a look however
Speaker 1: you want. But generally, outside of intentionally trying to make
Speaker 1: a look a certain way, it seems like by default
Speaker 1: it just it just reverts back to how you normally look. Physically,
Speaker 1: that could be described as basically had it from seeing
Speaker 1: ourselves like this physically or one idea behind it is
Speaker 1: something that the non physical body is sort of I
Speaker 1: guess you could say the physical body is sort of
Speaker 1: like in a sense, mimicked off the non physical template.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I guess that there's things that we have to ab
Speaker 1: investigate more to understand, like what the intricacy is. But
Speaker 1: the idea is basically that it does have a default
Speaker 1: form who became change it to make it look however
Speaker 1: you want, and address heavery you want. As far as
Speaker 1: the different forms that we have, my conclusion is that
Speaker 1: we basically have two different forms out of body. I
Speaker 1: based this off one experience I had when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, Like I told you about how I used
Speaker 1: to just float out of body a lot. One of
Speaker 1: those experiences, I was up in the corner of this
Speaker 1: about the ceiling. But just like you, I've realized didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't have a body. I would just like a
Speaker 1: pair of eyes floating around, and I recognized myself as
Speaker 1: just like a point of consciousness. But I looked at
Speaker 1: the dead and I saw my non physical body floating
Speaker 1: at the ceiling, and I saw my physical body on
Speaker 1: the bed. So that's my idea that we have basically
Speaker 1: three different forms basically our I guess you could say
Speaker 1: a consolidated form we like were or now physically where
Speaker 1: your consciousness in a non physical body in a physical body,
Speaker 1: but then we can separate as a non physical astrobody
Speaker 1: and walk around like we have a non physical body,
Speaker 1: and then we can leave the astrobody as a point
Speaker 1: of consciousness, which it seemed like the state that you
Speaker 1: were in at that time.
Speaker 2: And what about interactions. Have you ever been able to
Speaker 2: interact with any objects of you? Ever been able to
Speaker 2: move anything, change anything in any way?
Speaker 1: Oh? Not not a body state. No, there was a
Speaker 1: period of time when I put it around with telekinesis
Speaker 1: and my experiences, I was able to make a needle spin.
Speaker 1: It can be argued, and as I get into more
Speaker 1: science now I can argue it was a poorly done experiment,
Speaker 1: like I didn't have many controls around it. But at
Speaker 1: the time it seemed like I was able to make
Speaker 1: the needle go back and forth according to my intention.
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's my experience that if I would
Speaker 1: describe it, but I could probably do some more tests
Speaker 1: on that. I can't really years ever in the outer
Speaker 1: body state tried to move anything, so I can't personally
Speaker 1: see as possible. I really people say that that's possible,
Speaker 1: but I've never I've never even really tried it before.
Speaker 1: I guess that's nothing ever really was interested in trying
Speaker 1: to do. But maybe that's something that I should try
Speaker 1: when I whenever I start to practice again.
Speaker 2: It's the basely wonder. You know, we're quite evidently possible.
Speaker 2: But with all the people which are kind of just
Speaker 2: moving around freely around as ef in as a body
Speaker 2: a state, how many of them are kind of doing
Speaker 2: stuff and moving moving stuff and interacting with us.
Speaker 6: Interesting?
Speaker 2: And you talk about when you'd see people there be
Speaker 2: in a groggy state, are you ever able to interact
Speaker 2: with them in any way? I know you did refer
Speaker 2: to your meeting your friend and her friends while you're
Speaker 2: outside your body. Have you ever had conversations with strangers
Speaker 2: walking around?
Speaker 1: I guess I can't say that I have. I guess
Speaker 1: I can't say I randomly went and had a conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody, usually ironically. Usually I'm just trying to explore
Speaker 1: something or something like that. I guess. Usually I'm exploring solo.
Speaker 1: I guess you can say when I'm out, But yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I guess I can't say I have done that.
Speaker 1: But that's one of the things I would like to do,
Speaker 1: Like if we could develop a group of people. Like
Speaker 1: in a research study I did, it was people all
Speaker 1: around the world, so we can What I want to
Speaker 1: do now, like at the time, I would just confirm
Speaker 1: that I could teach people to do it. What I
Speaker 1: want to do now is make it a more ongoing
Speaker 1: But the all OWNER do I help people get out
Speaker 1: of body, but you know, start to develop it and
Speaker 1: be able to go forward and beast. We can do that.
Speaker 1: That's we can start to meet out of body and
Speaker 1: have conversations and confirm them and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe play past the message and stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many things we can do or to test
Speaker 1: the experience, right, but to validate it. But me myself,
Speaker 1: except for a few experiences to try to test it
Speaker 1: like I did with Lewis or when it just happened
Speaker 1: to run into people, for the most part, I'm just
Speaker 1: I would just traveling on my own, just exploring and
Speaker 1: things like that.
Speaker 2: Is it is fascinating and psychokinesis I mean that was
Speaker 2: you join the eighties. I mean one was everyone was trying.
Speaker 2: It was all on the TV and Urygala bending spoons
Speaker 2: on a Saturday night and yeah, people just loved that.
Speaker 2: And I remember something which happened. I think it was
Speaker 2: about nineteen eighty three, nineteen eighty four. Urrogala was on
Speaker 2: the TV and my mother had come in from work
Speaker 2: and she put her car keys on top of the
Speaker 2: big you know, the big old TVs that we had,
Speaker 2: the big school hare heavy things, and she put her
Speaker 2: she had her car keys on top of there. I
Speaker 2: was I must have been about six or seven at
Speaker 2: the time, and watched Urigala and him bending spoons, and
Speaker 2: you know, he'd used to say to you, you know, focus,
Speaker 2: you know, grab something in your hand and focus and
Speaker 2: do all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: While I was just watching at the end of the show,
Speaker 6: went to bed no problem. Woke up the next day.
Speaker 2: My mother was getting all stressed because the keys on
Speaker 2: her keychain was bent.
Speaker 6: They were all bent.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, they're all bent.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean I kind of did believe
Speaker 2: in Urigala. Then what we you know we know now
Speaker 2: about him kind of change things. But it never really changed,
Speaker 2: you know, my belief in the power that we have
Speaker 2: in our mind and how we are able to do
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 1: And I make sure I'm clear that the cheese were
Speaker 1: sitting on the TV and the next morning you were
Speaker 1: able to look at the keys and see that they
Speaker 1: were bent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were bent. They were all bent. Yeah, there
Speaker 6: was about four keys on there.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: It was very strange.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a very early eight yeares.
Speaker 2: That was when he was he was just like he
Speaker 2: was just seen to be on TV all the time,
Speaker 2: on various different shows and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Your journey is to take you down various different avenues,
Speaker 2: and you got mixed up in the New Abbian cult.
Speaker 6: What was your main draw?
Speaker 1: Was it to gain.
Speaker 6: Esoteric knowledge that kind of thing that drew you to
Speaker 6: the cult?
Speaker 1: No, I think after my life as a parallel to
Speaker 1: interest in life, we'll be easy keys and things like that.
Speaker 1: I was always interested in trying to find a purpose
Speaker 1: and meaning of life. And depending on what source or
Speaker 1: school of thought you go to, different different people have
Speaker 1: different answers to that, you know. So one of these
Speaker 1: schools I thought is that it's about ets and maybe
Speaker 1: evolve into a different planet or or something like that,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that they talked about.
Speaker 1: Another pool was like at the time, at least when
Speaker 1: I was raised in the Christian religion, and two things
Speaker 1: were going on at the same time, because like I said,
Speaker 1: I was trying to find a purpose of meeting of life.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was thinking, okay, made the best it.
Speaker 1: So I started to commit myself to the Christian religion.
Speaker 1: But when I started to read the Bible, one of
Speaker 1: the things I noticed was contradictions in it, as well
Speaker 1: as the fact that people didn't really believe it in
Speaker 1: any way, like they were contradicting the Bible themselves. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that the cult thing mentioned
Speaker 1: as well. They talked about a lot of things like
Speaker 1: the contradictions in the Bible or or the contradictions and
Speaker 1: the churches, and it taught me even more about that
Speaker 1: courage me to, like I wanted a little bit of Hebrews,
Speaker 1: so I got look into a little bit of where
Speaker 1: some of the words came from and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So things like that do me as well. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, that those two topics were two of the
Speaker 1: main draws the et thing and the fact that it
Speaker 1: elucidated some of the flaws and Christianities and as well
Speaker 1: as other religions. But it turned out that the guy
Speaker 1: that ended up being just an entertainer and just a Charlatan.
Speaker 1: You know, like basically the when I was coming off
Speaker 1: of the stuff that was pointed out that was wrong
Speaker 1: about Christianity, it seemed well. But then when I eventually
Speaker 1: started to apply the same critical thought to the stuff
Speaker 1: he was teaching and they were teaching, then I found
Speaker 1: flaws in that. So, for instance, one of the things
Speaker 1: I talked about a lot, like I talked about ets
Speaker 1: and UFOs and they talked about how Egyptians. People talk
Speaker 1: about who built the pyramids, whether where did the technology
Speaker 1: come from to do that, but part of their understanding
Speaker 1: is that ets came they helped build the pyramids or
Speaker 1: you That took me out of it, what have you?
Speaker 1: And in my researching about of pyramids, I found out
Speaker 1: that he plagiarized large chunks of a book on pyramids.
Speaker 1: But as cults go, he pinioned himself as some you know, design,
Speaker 1: advanced being and all this stuff, and you should have
Speaker 1: no no, you should have no way to be plagiarizing
Speaker 1: from people. So, you know, things like that eventually got
Speaker 1: me out of it when I started to apply to
Speaker 1: critical thing to the organization teaching yourself, it's just the
Speaker 1: shortest Christianity did. So basically you could say we're just
Speaker 1: a pissed up along the way too. In my search
Speaker 1: for meaning and purpose, and with auto, my meaning and
Speaker 1: purpose of life is.
Speaker 2: I don't think that if the cult runs any longer,
Speaker 2: it might do in a fragmented sense.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there are so many cults around the world,
Speaker 2: very active. Just about all of them have nefarious agenda
Speaker 2: in some way or another, and they usually are all
Speaker 2: focused around one central point, one central person, one leader,
Speaker 2: and one thing that you notice people look at colts
Speaker 2: and go, well, people are stupid for joining a cult,
Speaker 2: but intelligence has absolutely nothing to do if it does it.
Speaker 2: It's a case of someone has a draw and a
Speaker 2: cult can sometimes give it the answers maybe you're looking for,
Speaker 2: but ultimately it's the last place you really want to
Speaker 2: be getting involved in. What advice would you give someone
Speaker 2: that has started getting involved in a cult.
Speaker 1: I would just say to make sure to do your
Speaker 1: due diligence with the information that's presented as well. Is
Speaker 1: the I mean it is enough, just the information, like
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of any cult like of course, since
Speaker 1: then our reachers cults, and now I'm able to see
Speaker 1: a lot of a parallel like for instance, another cult
Speaker 1: that's going on now with scientology person. But one of
Speaker 1: the things you find with the Newabbian cult, for instance,
Speaker 1: they make predictions that don't come true. The people overlooked
Speaker 1: at don't do that same critical thoughts to the stuff,
Speaker 1: just like the same think of scientology. They present this
Speaker 1: technology to supposedly cause people to gain such and such
Speaker 1: abilities or whatever, but nobody ever gained any of them.
Speaker 1: You know, it just doesn't work. So one of the
Speaker 1: things that the Neuodian cult do get his goal to
Speaker 1: something else, Like he the guy York who led the thing.
Speaker 1: At first they were Muslims, and then they became this,
Speaker 1: and then it became that, and then it was like
Speaker 1: the last inclination. I guess there's Nuwabians, but it's several
Speaker 1: different things that they have to change to because the
Speaker 1: thing before that wasn't working. I guess you could say,
Speaker 1: so I would just say, use your due diligence, don't
Speaker 1: overlook the inaccuracies that are inevitable be in because I
Speaker 1: think it's it's an error to assume that just because
Speaker 1: there's a person leading something that it's a cult, that's
Speaker 1: not really what makes it a cult. Like what makes
Speaker 1: cults cults is that it's based upon lives. You know,
Speaker 1: that's really what the foundation is. You know, what York
Speaker 1: was saying about himself was a lie. He wasn't the
Speaker 1: advance being presented himself to be. He didn't, he didn't
Speaker 1: have this unlimited nonity he presented himself to be. He
Speaker 1: would just plage aize on people's books, you know, and
Speaker 1: lying about it. That's all that was going on. For scientology.
Speaker 1: They don't there bridge to total freedom. They have to
Speaker 1: ironically get more and more emphasized from information and then
Speaker 1: when they applied, it doesn't deliver what they say it
Speaker 1: it does, even though they are made to lion say
Speaker 1: it does. You just don't go for that. So I
Speaker 1: think if people just to stay honest and just don't
Speaker 1: allow the even for the greater good to dictate given
Speaker 1: a pass on that deception, like for insident, the Nwodian
Speaker 1: Code as a disbanded, like you said, it's not really
Speaker 1: going on anymore, but there's little pockets of people that
Speaker 1: still you know, have the little pocket I guess you
Speaker 1: could say group going, but it's not like an organization
Speaker 1: like it was, but not that has broken up people
Speaker 1: that were inside, you know, are out saying what's going on,
Speaker 1: just like Scientology because people who left Scientology he was
Speaker 1: saying was really going on. So I guess that always
Speaker 1: happens with every cult. But now that people who come
Speaker 1: out to the lobby in York, and by the time
Speaker 1: it was built up, he wasn't personally plagiarizing anymore. He
Speaker 1: had people doing it for him. Like apparently there was
Speaker 1: one of the people who was on the team came
Speaker 1: far to with saying what they did, like they would
Speaker 1: go get the books and they were actually plagiarizer from
Speaker 1: the books and put them together and stamping his name
Speaker 1: on it. Because I mean, he was coming out with
Speaker 1: he has hundreds of books out now, you know. And
Speaker 1: it was because it was so much creaturized and that's
Speaker 1: why he was able to get so many books out.
Speaker 1: So what I remember, right, either people came forward about
Speaker 1: plagiarizations with Hubbard with the scientificy things, so I think
Speaker 1: that people would just be honest, and I think that's enough.
Speaker 1: So when you see them promise this is going to
Speaker 1: do this and it doesn't work, don't let that go.
Speaker 1: Another thing I would say to look out for is
Speaker 1: if you were encouraged to not look into other information.
Speaker 1: The interneting thing about the the robbyan Coult was he
Speaker 1: encouraged you to not believe him and check it out.
Speaker 1: But as you can imagine, he also said that I
Speaker 1: have all the answers. So the way that usually works
Speaker 1: out in people's minds who are in the culte is Okay,
Speaker 1: he's saying, believe me, check it out, but you don't
Speaker 1: really have to check it out because he has all
Speaker 1: the answers. And it's like he's saying, check it out,
Speaker 1: but you don't really need to because he wouldn't really
Speaker 1: be saying that, but really check it out. And like
Speaker 1: I said, it took me just reading another book and
Speaker 1: I was able to see the very clearly that he
Speaker 1: was plagiarizing it. As a matter of fact, I wrote
Speaker 1: an article about that. I wrote an article where I
Speaker 1: took his book on pyramids and I took pictures of
Speaker 1: the book. And I also took the pyramid book that
Speaker 1: was written like years ago for his pyramid book, and
Speaker 1: I took pictures of the pages of that book, and
Speaker 1: I wrote an article describing everything, and I put the
Speaker 1: pages of the book side by side so you can
Speaker 1: see the plagiarism, and it caused a big stir because
Speaker 1: this is a period of time when he had already
Speaker 1: been arrested for like he was like apparently it's like
Speaker 1: one of the biggest child moleistic case lestation cases around,
Speaker 1: Like he was like already like arrested and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and there was a big tuggle of wall between people
Speaker 1: who was wanting to still believe and it was some
Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy and sons of work. But I wrote
Speaker 1: that article just because I saw nobody was talking about it,
Speaker 1: and a contract to somebody who was debuncing him, and
Speaker 1: he put it on the site, and it caused a
Speaker 1: big stir, like people were I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the articles they helped point out the degree of the plagiarism,
Speaker 1: But if people really did research and check it out,
Speaker 1: they would have saw that. So the same thing with scientology,
Speaker 1: except they're like, apparently people have come out and said
Speaker 1: the sign how dis depeople was gonna put software on
Speaker 1: people's computers to stop them from going to certain sites
Speaker 1: that would debunked them, Which means for both of those quotes,
Speaker 1: you just don't just accept only what the people saying.
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes open. Got to do it as well.
Speaker 1: So those are two things. Be honest and don't feel
Speaker 1: like you can't keep your eyes open and see if
Speaker 1: the person's creatorizing something or if what they're saying is
Speaker 1: really accurate and valid information. Check it out.
Speaker 2: And I think you can kind of look at that
Speaker 2: as a as a whole of what we've experienced over
Speaker 2: the last few years with the Internet and the information
Speaker 2: that's available and suppression of some of the information. I mean,
Speaker 2: there is that quote, isn't there. It's I would rather
Speaker 2: have questions that can be answered than answers that can
Speaker 2: be questioned.
Speaker 1: That sounds that sounds like a quote.
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Speaker 6: I remember the now iBIM cult.
Speaker 2: It was the pyramid on the It is a black
Speaker 2: pyramid wasn't a black gold pyramid that was central in
Speaker 2: the compound.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. There was. There was two pyramids. There
Speaker 1: was one that was sort of a bookstore, but they
Speaker 1: use it as a storage space when it wasn't like
Speaker 1: we didn't have to kind of event there. And the
Speaker 1: black Pyramid was actually part of a ritual. So basically
Speaker 1: the black pyramid around the pyramid, there was a pad.
Speaker 1: So if you imagine there's a pyramid in the middle,
Speaker 1: and there's a door of the pyramid, and there's a
Speaker 1: path that comes out from the door, and it turns
Speaker 1: and goes, you know, adjacent to the pyramid and goes
Speaker 1: around the pyramid, and then just keeps coming out the
Speaker 1: pyramid and bigger and bigger. You know, a square you know,
Speaker 1: a square pad like a squirrel, but there's a square squirrel,
Speaker 1: you know, cutting around the corners of the pyramid. So
Speaker 1: now that now you have this big path. And basically
Speaker 1: the pyramid book I was telling you about, ironically is
Speaker 1: related to that pyramid is called the Maga Roths Book.
Speaker 1: And basically what he did was he you know, there's
Speaker 1: images of the Egyptians everywhere nowadays, So basically what he
Speaker 1: did was he went got images of the Egyptians to
Speaker 1: certain certain positions, and he painted himself as having you know,
Speaker 1: brought back the ancient virtual that they did or whatever.
Speaker 1: And he aligned this with walking around the path that
Speaker 1: goes around the pyramid and saying certain things at different points.
Speaker 1: And it actually linked to one of the predictions you made,
Speaker 1: Like he made a predition that there was a it
Speaker 1: was an actual planetary alignment that happened around that time,
Speaker 1: like a two thousand and another one happened not too
Speaker 1: long ago. I mean, it's a pretty regular thing where
Speaker 1: so many of the planets end up in line in
Speaker 1: their revolution around the Sun. But according to him, though,
Speaker 1: it's a predition that he made like years before, like
Speaker 1: in the nineties, the alignment was going to make some
Speaker 1: kind of big energy thing was going to happen, and
Speaker 1: it was going to like scramble people's brains unless you're
Speaker 1: like a line, so you have to like do this,
Speaker 1: mother Rode Richard, go around a pyramid to align yourself.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the things, by the way, that
Speaker 1: got me out as well, because that didn't happen, and
Speaker 1: he made other preditions that didn't happen. So basically, I
Speaker 1: looked at that and noticed to do this predict the
Speaker 1: stuff that wasn't happening. But so as I say, that's
Speaker 1: what that pyramid was about. The black pyramid was part
Speaker 1: of their ritual, the old Margaraz ritual, and the brown
Speaker 1: there was a lot of brown pyramid because basically what
Speaker 1: he was trying to do was or what he did
Speaker 1: or try to align it to similarize Egypt. You know,
Speaker 1: they have the Big Perimie, the Middle Pyramid, the three
Speaker 1: pyramids in a row in Gaza in Egypt. So he
Speaker 1: made the brown pyramid and the black pyramid, and I
Speaker 1: think he was going to try to make a third
Speaker 1: pyramid as well, but by the time they got you
Speaker 1: all got shut down, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: Trying to accomplish the Nile being like the Milky Way
Speaker 2: and then the three Pyramids of Gizer mimicking was it
Speaker 2: was a Ryan, wasn't it.
Speaker 6: So it's basically heaven on Earth, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The good news is he did get shut down and
Speaker 2: he's doing what he must be doing about a hundred
Speaker 2: odd years in prison now for his criminality.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a lot. And I remember the exact number,
Speaker 1: but it's like seventy one hundred something like that. It
Speaker 1: is a lot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I'll do is I'll put all your links on
Speaker 2: the website And in the description you also do a
Speaker 2: course on miracles. Could you explain that a little bit please?
Speaker 1: Well, certainly.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Now to be clear, I didn't write that or or
Speaker 1: anything or I'm not an author of it. It's a
Speaker 1: book that was came through as a process of channeling
Speaker 1: by this lady named Helen Truckman Believe in the seventies
Speaker 1: and basically is a spiritual path. Like I mentioned, my
Speaker 1: whole search in life that ultimately was about the meaning
Speaker 1: and purpose of life. But there was a pit of
Speaker 1: time when I thought Obee was the part of it.
Speaker 1: That is why I practiced it so much for a
Speaker 1: period of time. But eventually my search led me to
Speaker 1: of course in Miracles, which is a spiritual teaching about
Speaker 1: forgiveness ultimately. So basically the idea is that spirutual growth
Speaker 1: it has had by letting go of our grievances and
Speaker 1: judgments that we have because those grievouses and judgments are
Speaker 1: basically reflections of the subconscious and subconsciously we as one
Speaker 1: mind chose to experience separation, separation from oneness. The effect,
Speaker 1: the parent effect of that is the projecting out that
Speaker 1: resulted in this entire universe. So the idea is that
Speaker 1: the world is a symbol of that separation, and all
Speaker 1: the judgments that we have in the world is a
Speaker 1: projection of that, you know, the choice that were made
Speaker 1: to be separate, that we hte ourselves for. So by
Speaker 1: forgiving others, recognizing that our judgment of others is a
Speaker 1: projection of our own self hatred, we forgive ourselves and
Speaker 1: then can reach enlightenment and get beyond the state of separation.
Speaker 1: So that's in a nutshell, the idea behind the colts
Speaker 1: and miracles, And basically what I do is I hold
Speaker 1: a free class and study group on Sundays that people
Speaker 1: can join and I basically teach them either read through
Speaker 1: the course or cover a certain topic and help people
Speaker 1: understand what's going on. And I get a very positive
Speaker 1: feedback on helping people understand because a lot of people
Speaker 1: misunderstand it and because you know, it is some heavy
Speaker 1: stear up. So that's bically my spiritual path in the end,
Speaker 1: like my whole lifetime of Again, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: obe and about ets I'm still in learning about that stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's not going to lead you to an enlightenment.
Speaker 1: It's something fun to do, stuff you've learn about the
Speaker 1: universe about. But as far as of course the miracles
Speaker 1: that that's my understanding of what basically it gets you
Speaker 1: to the ultimate. It's a lot of people call the enlightenment.
Speaker 2: So interesting stuff. How much of this which is important
Speaker 2: is working on yourself. How much of this is kind
Speaker 2: of getting yourself physically and mentally healthy if you want
Speaker 2: to explore these different avenues.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that that's a case, back
Speaker 1: case thing because of course the miracles deals with the mind,
Speaker 1: and it recognizes the mind there's ultimately outside of time
Speaker 1: and space, so there's nothing you can possibly do at
Speaker 1: the level of the world to interfere with the mind
Speaker 1: because it's beyond all of that. Now, ironically, despite that,
Speaker 1: in our experience, our everyday experience of that to give
Speaker 1: a common example of something that might interfere and unless
Speaker 1: there's somebody's an alcoholics, right, and they might be kind
Speaker 1: of difficult to be able to sit down and learn,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're constantly going on binges, right, So
Speaker 1: maybe that's something that somebody might need to be to
Speaker 1: get taken care of in a different way. But it's
Speaker 1: not because you know, you have to some kind of
Speaker 1: we read, some kind of minimal the physical state to
Speaker 1: be able to approach it. It's just that, you know,
Speaker 1: if somebody's in a very bad state, or somebody's I
Speaker 1: don't know, somebody is so anxious that they can't sit
Speaker 1: down and read or can't live their life in a
Speaker 1: normal way, maybe that's something that needs to be addressed.
Speaker 1: But again not because of course, America is just something
Speaker 1: to where you have to like prepare yourself to get
Speaker 1: to it in that sense. But just you know, I
Speaker 1: would say, you do have to have enough time to
Speaker 1: at least quiet yourself so you can apply yourself to it.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, no matter where you're
Speaker 1: at in life, as long as you could if you're
Speaker 1: able and willing to learn a different way of looking
Speaker 1: at the world and learn a different way of thinking,
Speaker 1: it's really all it takes is just a willingness. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, there are certain things that somebody can have
Speaker 1: going in their life that might interfere with that willingness
Speaker 1: or ability. But use another physical example, you know, somebody's
Speaker 1: thinking about taking up the course, but they're like fighting
Speaker 1: the eviction and having to work twenty hours a day
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, it might not be a good
Speaker 1: time to start, right. You might need to get that
Speaker 1: physical thing under control. But that's not to say that
Speaker 1: somebody has to be living in a mansion and something
Speaker 1: to be any better position. But you know, as long
Speaker 1: as you're in a position where you give it, give
Speaker 1: it a little bit of time and attention than anybody
Speaker 1: to approach it. But it is some difficult stuff, so
Speaker 1: it challenges your ideas in various ways about things, so
Speaker 1: that that can be challenging.
Speaker 2: Absolutely great advice. You sure are an interesting guy.
Speaker 6: Thanks to on listeners.
Speaker 2: I will put Daryl's link again in a description and
Speaker 2: on the website, and that's Darylebarryjunior dot com. Darryl, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: I need thanks for having me wonderful stuff.
Speaker 6: It was great having you on. It was lovely to
Speaker 6: meet you. Okay, you take care and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: You just want to have a good bay.
Speaker 6: Bye for now.
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Speaker 2: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
Speaker 2: next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 6: Goodbye,