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Yeah, we'll play it by your 28 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:20,479 that's fine. The so that's imperative to understand is a 29 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,840 lot of what happened to Oswald Mosley, you know. And 30 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:32,439 he was interned under Defense Regulation eighteen B, which allowed 31 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:39,039 for the internment of anybody who was actively sympathizing with 32 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:46,159 enemy states during wartime. This was so loosely defined it 33 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:52,240 could entail pretty much anything, including mere statements. And as 34 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:59,960 Lady Diana Mosley pointed out, you know, Moseley scrupulously obey 35 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,800 aid the law. And there was precedent for this in 36 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:08,719 terms of his personal as well as potical conduct. When 37 00:03:08,719 --> 00:03:11,759 the police ordered him to do something, he refused to 38 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,159 provide information on his comrades or members of the BUF 39 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,879 or anything like that. But if they ordered him to disperse, 40 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,199 he did it, you know. And if he was threatened 41 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,479 with a charge of a fraid, he'd stand his people down, 42 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,599 you know. And there was a substantial in relative terms 43 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,520 number of BUF members, you know, who were in the 44 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,080 British Army or with the police, and he told them, 45 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,439 don't disobey your superiors, don't undermine the chain of command, 46 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,000 Don't ever do that. You know, He's like, try and 47 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:56,599 try and encourage your fellow you know, white Christian in 48 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:03,639 Scottish and Welsh and sympathetic Irish men and women to 49 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,000 see our point of view. But this idea that he 50 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,080 was some dangerous revolutionary or that he was trying to 51 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:17,639 subvert the crown by way of espionage, that's laughable. Now. 52 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,920 There was a weird precedent though, as the kind of 53 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,399 what gave rise this paranoia. Like don't get me wrong, 54 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,639 the Churchill government and particularly Cretans like Van Sattart, they 55 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,839 wanted to harm mostly for personal reasons as well as 56 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:41,639 political ones. But there was odd intrigues that you know, 57 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,600 led to Chamberlain adopting some very traconian policies, including the 58 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:51,480 Treason Act, which made it very very easy to convict 59 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:57,480 people of treason and under the common law as well 60 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:05,240 as under the previous Act defining Treason in the United Kingdom, 61 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,279 which dated to the sixteen nineties. Not coincidentally, there had 62 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:20,879 to be two witnesses accusing the defendant of the acts 63 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:24,480 alleged in the indictment, and somebody could only be charged 64 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:30,439 with treason by indictment, and the discreet and specific acts 65 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:34,040 had to be witnessed the trees and act. Get did 66 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,600 it away with all of this, Okay, you could be 67 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:41,120 convicted by the same standard of evidence as any other felony. 68 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:45,519 And it was a mandatory death penalty. There's only one penalty, 69 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:51,800 and it was death, which is quite completely insane. Okay. 70 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,279 But why this came about? Then? This is important. I'm 71 00:05:55,319 --> 00:06:00,439 not I don't want to derail us. But in the 72 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,879 World War two series, we talked about how the New Dealers, 73 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:07,759 and specifically Roosevelt he quite literally sent Joe Kennedy away 74 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:12,600 to the UK. He did it for a couple of reasons. 75 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,839 The American Establishment and the Bridge didn't particularly like each other. 76 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:19,600 That this was not some like close cozy relationship at all. 77 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,360 And Roosevelt didn't was about didn't like Church all, he 78 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,199 had contempt for him. Rosebout didn't like Chamberlain. He thought 79 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:29,680 he was an a feat snob and a jerk. You know. 80 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,680 The US government didn't like the Crown, you know, so 81 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:41,319 sending America first Irish Joe Kennedy over there. They did 82 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:47,199 two things. It subtly antagonized the British and prevented some 83 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:51,240 kind of sympathetic ear being offered to them from the 84 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,639 Department of State. It got rid of Joe Kennedy, who 85 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,240 was a thorn in the side of the New Dealers. 86 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,639 But it also, you know, one of the things that 87 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:08,120 people like Van Sattard, in typical kind of conspiratorial British fashion, 88 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:10,199 one of the things they used the presidence of people 89 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:13,000 like Kennedy therefore, is they wanted to see like who 90 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,519 he was making contact with, Like they wanted to see 91 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,800 who in like a wider cultural milu between the UK 92 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:31,480 and America was stoking exis sympathy. And this this, this 93 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:37,000 led to a very very strange case. Let me just 94 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,600 call my aline real quick. I want to see what 95 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:45,160 I forget me. It was the case of uh, it 96 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:49,480 was the Kent affair, Okay, And this is relevant to 97 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:51,480 some of the other things we talk about, like Tyler 98 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:55,399 Gatewood Kent. He was a legacy diplomat, like he'd been 99 00:07:55,399 --> 00:07:58,319 born in Manchuria and his father was the consul there, 100 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:05,399 the US consul. Okay, he developed a fluency in Russian 101 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,680 because he was something of a polymath, okay, and he 102 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,600 literally just like studied Russian, you know. He went to 103 00:08:13,639 --> 00:08:16,639 the University of Madrid for a time through his father's connections, 104 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,240 you know. Then he joined the State Department. He was 105 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:25,600 the first American ambassador to the Soviet Union under William Bullet. 106 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:34,200 But then weird stuff started happening. On the eve of 107 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,679 the war in nineteen thirty nine, some of his colleagues 108 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:45,600 began to suspect that he was a Soviet sympathizer, and 109 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:49,159 they went as far as suspecting that he was spying 110 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:55,720 for the Soviet Union, and he had knowledge of cipher 111 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:59,440 pads and things, you know, Like a lot of State 112 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,240 Department officials, especially in those days, he was basically an 113 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,879 intelligence man. They were under like light diplomatic cover. But 114 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:15,960 basically what some of his colleagues were sympathetic to say 115 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,279 the leads to the Roosevelt New Deal program We're saying, 116 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,039 was look, just so you know, he's a Soviet agent. 117 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,960 And oss later insisted on the same thing. The British 118 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,960 were convinced he was a fascist. And this is where 119 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,720 this gets interesting, because he got removed from his posting 120 00:09:34,759 --> 00:09:41,200 in the Soviet Union. But obviously Roosevelt was cultivating deep 121 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,240 interdependence with the Soviets, even amiss the non aggression picked. 122 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,840 So when Kent arrived in London, where he got sent, 123 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:52,159 you know, in part because so his superiors could keep 124 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,919 an eye on him when he got When he got there, 125 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,519 he immediately made contact with a guy named Ludwig Matthias, 126 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,440 and highest was almost certainly an advert agent, and he 127 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:10,240 was under investigation by Special branch Okay, then Kent was 128 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,360 seen hanging around, uh, this kind of haunt for in 129 00:10:14,519 --> 00:10:19,159 South Kensington that Russians were known to frequents, you know, 130 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,759 both you know, emigrays from the White Army, you know, 131 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,000 who fought the Communists and uh like died in the 132 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:34,440 old Soviet types. And he met this Russian woman kind 133 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,720 of like uh, lesser society type woman who'd been married 134 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,039 to this uh, this rich British merchant, and he started 135 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,120 having an affair with her, you know, and they started 136 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:49,679 going back and forth between the UK and the Soviet Union. 137 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:59,600 Now through uh, through a lady named Anna Volkov, who 138 00:10:59,639 --> 00:11:03,320 was another kind of society person, he met Archibald Ramsey. 139 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:09,279 Now Ramsey had been an associate of Oswald Mosley and 140 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,679 he founded what was called the Right Club. He defected 141 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,480 from the Conservative Party and then from the Scottish Unions 142 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,000 that founded the Right Club. And the Right Club was 143 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:25,039 basically like an anti Jewish pack, okay, and it had 144 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:29,360 his ability to kind of attract like society people, you know. 145 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,320 And this made this made Special Branch really upset, and 146 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:42,080 I mean Chamberlain really upset. And when Churchill ascended to 147 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,080 the Prime ministership, he basically resigned to destroy it. And 148 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,320 this is another thing that regulation at and B was 149 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,240 tailored the Crush. But it's an interesting aside. It begs 150 00:11:55,279 --> 00:12:02,000 the question like what was Kent's deal? And Kent he 151 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:09,440 was ultimately brought up on charges for his associations with 152 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,919 people engaged with the Right Club, as well as him 153 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:24,480 acting as an intermediary between various pro axis elements. And 154 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,320 he probably knew Lord haha, William Joyce personally. Yeah, he 155 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:35,639 definitely delivered coded cipher messages to him, okay. And we'll 156 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:38,600 get into like who Joyce was in a minute, but 157 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:44,559 m I five. Essentially, they approached Joe Kennedy in May 158 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:49,159 nineteen forty and said, look, if you don't waive Kent's 159 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:52,440 diplomatic immunity. We're gonna assume you're in cahoots with him, 160 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,519 and we're gonna charge you too. This was like the 161 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:00,399 implied threat. Okay, So two days later Kent's home got 162 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:07,399 rated by I five and they found almost two thousand 163 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:15,639 official documents as well as messages between Churchill and Special Branch, 164 00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:17,720 which begged the question how the hell did he get 165 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:25,240 hold of that kind of data. But they also found 166 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,080 he made copies to the code room at the US Embassy. 167 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:35,399 Him and Anna Volkov were both charged with violating the 168 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:43,519 Official Secrets Act. And he's lucky because he probably could 169 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:47,440 have been executed despite being a foreign national, had like 170 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,000 the treeson ad come down and been tested and well, 171 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:52,679 obviously he couldn't have been tried for treason. It would 172 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,679 have set a precedent of killing people who were viewed 173 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,000 as acts as agents and had been insinuated into sensitive roles. 174 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,480 He was tried at Old Bailey in a secret trial. 175 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:08,759 No witnesses were permitted. The only winness is permitted were 176 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:12,039 from mi I five so that they could document like 177 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:17,279 what exactly he had and what he knew m I 178 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:23,679 five and m I six were there, but uh Ramsey 179 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:29,399 Archibald Ramsey actually testified against him, which was grimy. But 180 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:36,200 Ramsey's supporters or apologies in the present day would suggest 181 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,360 that he was convinced that the man was a Communist, 182 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,320 which doesn't make a difference to me, because like, you 183 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,399 don't rant people out and and and re lie on them. 184 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,879 I don't care what they are. You know, if there's 185 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:48,720 something a horrible person, I'm like a child molestor Okay, 186 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:51,320 deal with them extra judicially and give him some justice. 187 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,039 You know, you don't testify on people. Okay. So Ramsey 188 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,919 kind of showed his true colors as a coward. But 189 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,320 that's that's actually a credit to Mosley. Is the reason 190 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,919 why he didn't associate with people like the Right Club. 191 00:15:03,879 --> 00:15:09,320 But he was sentenced to seven years. He was eventually 192 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:17,120 released after as the war was coming to a close. Okay. 193 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,759 He immediately left the UK upon release, which was understandable. 194 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:25,799 He went down to Texas nearly fifties and he married 195 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:30,000 this like wealthy Airaiss down there and he immediately joined 196 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:35,799 this organization that was probably an undercover like clan outfit, 197 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,919 like KKK outfit, and he started publishing this pro segregation 198 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:46,440 like a tabloid, and he started railing against Kennedy, saying 199 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:51,720 Kennedy as a communist. Now, the FBI investigated him as 200 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,600 being a KGBS set, but they could never show up 201 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,399 enough of a case to charge him formally. They just 202 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:02,240 made his like miserable and they couldn't conclusively figure out 203 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,799 what his angle was. I mean, to me, it's pretty 204 00:16:04,799 --> 00:16:07,960 clear he was like a Francis Yackey type, you know. 205 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:12,679 And he started making Soviet contacts after the after the 206 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,480 No Aggression Pact was signed, and then he saw the 207 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,240 writing on the wall and realized, I'm gonna do everything 208 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:20,480 I can to kind of swing the strategic balance and 209 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:23,559 favor of the Soviets because they're definitely gonna win this war, 210 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,080 and I want to do everything I can to undermine 211 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,399 the Anglo American Zionist alliance. That's very clear to me, okay, 212 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,679 But it makes sense that the FBI and m I 213 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:42,799 five couldn't figure this out. Okay, But Kent really really 214 00:16:42,879 --> 00:16:49,000 upset the whole incident, really really upset British intelligence, and 215 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:56,080 its specifically upset the focus, Okay. And as it became 216 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:01,279 clear that war was inevitable between uh the access in 217 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:07,759 the UK because uh, Chamberlain had been totally compromised, in 218 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:12,119 part by his own you know, by checkmating himself with 219 00:17:12,279 --> 00:17:17,240 the War Guarantee, to the to the Polish hunt, but 220 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,160 also because the focus and and and the War Party 221 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,680 was just gaining too much power. I mean, it should 222 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,839 have been clear that Chamberlain's days were numbered anyway. And 223 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:32,680 and politically he was he was, he was dying, but offense, 224 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,519 especially in a system like the UK's, in a parliamentary system, 225 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:40,200 the prime Minister he developed is insinuated, is insulated by 226 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,240 something of an echo chamber, and the information he's privy 227 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,440 to is na truly insinuated into what the opposition is thinking. 228 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:51,759 It's not like America. Okay, there's this blind spots kind 229 00:17:51,759 --> 00:17:58,440 of built into the executive. But as uh as it 230 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,200 became clear that the we're not going to come to 231 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:09,319 terms no matter what, Henry Williamson approached Mosley. And Williamson 232 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:17,000 wasn't a fascist, but he was very much like enamored 233 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:22,039 with Teutonic stuff then with Germany, and he had, you know, 234 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:24,359 he had kind of a long view of what was underway. 235 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:29,799 And he said, quote if I could see Hitler, you know, 236 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:34,839 a fellow common soldier of nineteen fourteen. You know, I 237 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,200 might not be able to give him the German common 238 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,000 soldier the enmity he so desired from England, you know, 239 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,839 to be fair. In those days, like people weren't really 240 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,359 privy to a broad conceptual horizon in terms of policy 241 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,599 as it was developing. I mean, Williamson was like a 242 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,920 society type and a novelist. He probably was naive, but 243 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,720 you know, it wasn't clear that the fix was in. 244 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,480 No matter what, the crown was going to war, that 245 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:09,200 was the whole point. But he sought out Moseley. He 246 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,759 sent him a letter and then when Mosey like asking 247 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,880 if Moseley could arrange somehow, Willing started to get an 248 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,799 audience with Hitler, which was very naive because like despite 249 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,359 I mean, Hitler very was very fond of the Midford sisters, 250 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,400 and Gebels in particular respected Moseley himself, like as a 251 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,680 man and also like as a political soldier. But this 252 00:19:29,839 --> 00:19:32,160 idea you could just get an audience with the fear 253 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,680 that's that's somewhat ridiculous. But Williamson went to visit Moseley 254 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,480 on August twenty sixth, you know, days before nineteen thirty nine, 255 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:50,079 you know, days before the onset of war, and Moseley 256 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,880 was totally resigned, and it's like, look, I read your letter. 257 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,119 I understand you're upset. I sympathized, but this is pointless 258 00:19:57,319 --> 00:19:59,200 and we're probably all going to be in turned if 259 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,319 we keep doing what we're doing. But I'm gonna see 260 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:04,480 this through. And so Williamson left like thinking Moseley was 261 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:06,359 some kind of like maniac, but of course he was 262 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:15,519 absolutely correct. You know what, really what really kind of 263 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,839 changed things from you know, rumblings by people like Van 264 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,160 Sittart and the War Party talking about you know, like 265 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:32,200 locking up traders and whatever it was. When the Germans 266 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:36,920 overran the Low countries, and you know, it became clear 267 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,519 that you know, this this entire enterprise of drawing Germany 268 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:48,160 into some attrition war on the Belgian frontier and then 269 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:51,839 either humiliating them on the battlefield or trying to force 270 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,880 terms that they would undoubtedly find uncomfortable, whereby you know, 271 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,119 the Wehrmacht would overthrow Hitler or whatever these I six 272 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,559 types were thinking. I mean, it became clear that that 273 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,920 was like a ridiculous fantasy. So as the battlefield situation 274 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,640 turned for the worst, as the British Expeditionary Force or 275 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,440 the alt Expeditionary Force was wing in terror at Dunkirk, 276 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,240 the establishment became obsessed with this idea of we're gonna 277 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:31,759 be subverted from within, and there's some fifth column leaking 278 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:37,480 information to Berlin and Mosley and his supporters are agents 279 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,960 to the ab there, which is laughable, especially considered the 280 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,359 ad there was like the fifth column in Germany. But 281 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,240 the degree to which people like Vance at Tart believed 282 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:51,160 this or not, and whether they believed some like the 283 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:57,400 Lion assault by the Wehrmacht and the kriegs Marine was 284 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,039 going to happen, it's hard to say. I mean, to me, 285 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:09,400 that seems incredible anybody would believe that. But Hitler did 286 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:13,400 you know he assigned von Runstett to actually, in fact 287 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:20,000 engineer and operational program for Sea Lion, going as far 288 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:26,640 as the outfit uh civilian barges with literal aircraft engines 289 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:32,160 to pilot them across the English Channel, having Frankenstein them 290 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,039 into landing craft. I mean, Hitler did that as a 291 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:40,640 strategic ruse, you know, for the not to frighten the British, 292 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:47,680 but you know, to essentially spoof like Stalin's intelligence apparatus. 293 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:53,039 And I mean Hitler wasn't a fool, you know, in 294 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,079 terms of his ability to empathize with others and their 295 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,440 likely perceptions. But it's one thing to con vince the 296 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,640 Soviet Union of something. It's another thing to convince the 297 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,839 British now, because the Soviets are dumb and the British 298 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,279 are smart. But this cultural and linguistic barriers there, and 299 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,559 there was this physical distance in those days where you 300 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:15,240 couldn't have like an electric eye on something eight hundred 301 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:20,039 miles west. So this was kind of a perfect storm 302 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:28,079 of conditions whereby the War Party could begin treating Moseley 303 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:35,319 and anybody else they decided was insufficiently enthusiastic about the 304 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,400 war effort, as you know, traders and enemies of the state. 305 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:43,680 And this was exacerbated by the fact that Edward the eighth, 306 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,440 the former King, Edward the eighth, he'd only reigned from 307 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:50,839 January twentieth, nineteen thirty six until December of the year 308 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,720 when he abdicated to Mary Wallace Simpson, you know, the 309 00:23:55,799 --> 00:24:00,240 American divorce, a kind of flapper party girl, which was 310 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,440 a woman. She's like only thirties. But you know, Edward 311 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:12,480 the eighth was a known anti war partisan, and Van 312 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:17,279 Sittart began insisting that, you know, obviously we can't place 313 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:23,319 the Duke of Windsor under arrest, but you know, him 314 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:28,079 coming out publicly in favor of the Peace Party could 315 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,839 sabotage the war effort, which is already becoming desperate and 316 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:38,640 strategic terms. And this basically was when the fix was 317 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:45,960 in Okay for Defense Regulation eighteen B and when Moseley 318 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:54,079 was arrested. To be clear, at peak there was only 319 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,039 sixty five or so internees, and a lot of these 320 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,799 people were there. A lot of these people were Right 321 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,400 Club members, some of them were Imperial Fascist League holdovers. 322 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720 But it was basically tailored, like a lot of that 323 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,799 was cosmetic, it was it was very clearly tailored to 324 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:26,559 incarcerate Moseley and you know Ruin is uh without making 325 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,680 him a martyr. I think by then they realized even 326 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,079 if they had the even if they had the nominal 327 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,640 legal authority to execute him, that that would have been 328 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,279 disastrous for reasons they'll get into. But at and B 329 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:40,839 was the was like the imprisoned Moseley Act and all 330 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:50,240 but name Okay, the UH immediately before or in the 331 00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,759 year in like the six to twelve months before he 332 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:59,039 was incarcerated. In the days after the UK's war declaration 333 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,519 as Germany, Moseley went on a tear But he framed 334 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,720 this very skillfully, like I don't mean anything cynical, like 335 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,960 you believed everything he said. But he again, he he 336 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,279 was he was sticking to his ammunition to people to 337 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:17,960 scrupulously abide the law and not to try to undermine 338 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,359 the war effort, although you know, obviously like he admoonaged 339 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,880 people and not doing anything to help it. He started 340 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,000 characterizing the Peace Party cause like what it becomes kind 341 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,359 of the Peace Party de facto as you know, leave 342 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,599 that leave four elements on the content to fight out 343 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,240 through him quarrels. You know, He's like, we, uh, we've 344 00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,799 gotta we've got to curate the empire and what what 345 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,839 remains of the empire, you know, because at that point 346 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,839 there was h the Irish situation. You know, there was 347 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,799 real talk in the Parliament of letting India go. I mean, 348 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,880 this was this was a this was a critical juncture 349 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,000 in historical terms, you know, And he said that we've 350 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:04,880 got to We've got to carry the empire. We've got 351 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,680 to shore up, you know, this vast capital that we 352 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:12,039 do still possess. We've got to transition somehow into a 353 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:17,319 post imperial condition without sacrificing our power, projection ability and 354 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,559 our our truly global capital. You know. And this made 355 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,359 a lot of sense, not just a fascists, and you know, 356 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,200 people were disgusted with the War Party and the Focus, 357 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,279 but it made a lot of sense, even the Tories, 358 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,240 you know, like those who hadn't been totally compromised by uh, 359 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:38,839 you know, by the Focus and and and adjacent element. 360 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,240 And Moseley was saying something that was on people's minds 361 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,720 but was not supposed to be said. You know, he said, 362 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:50,079 like war, even if we win this war, it will 363 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,240 lead to the disaster of defeat. It will lead the 364 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:57,000 triumph of communism in planetary terms, it will be the 365 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,720 end of the British Empire. You know, the only winners 366 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,400 will be international Jewish finance. You know, his words, not mine. 367 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,880 I'd agree with that, but just to be clear, America, 368 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,799 in the Soviet Union and world communism, this is a 369 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,839 suicidal effort. You know, they're Germans are not our enemies, 370 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,960 but an of if you hate them, we can't win 371 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:23,119 this war, you know. And a certain energy started developing 372 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,599 behind that, you know, like Uh, Diana Moseley Uh made 373 00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:35,119 the point like years on and that October ninety thirty 374 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,599 nine at the Stoll Theater, just under three thousand people 375 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,960 turned out and uh mostly started openly condemning Jewish capitalists, 376 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:51,839 you know, American Jewish capitalists and and radical radical elements. Uh. 377 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,559 You know, who who have who have a Zionist cause 378 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,319 in mind, who are or driving us towards war? When 379 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,359 when Britain's had no interest in this war and she 380 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,559 said that people were going nuts like effusively they were 381 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:12,000 like throwing romans at him and stuff. You know this 382 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,400 Uh at the New Hippodrome it was the same thing. 383 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:21,119 It was a two thousand or so people, you know, 384 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400 almost all of whom were like throwing romans to loots 385 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,079 like it was like a mini like number rally, you know, 386 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,920 and obviously special branches on the ground watching this stuff. 387 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,839 And hostile media, I mean, other than the Daily Mail, 388 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,359 the entirety of national media was against Mosley. But you know, 389 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,319 just by word of mouth and just by you know, 390 00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:53,799 getting FaceTime with regular people in all these districts where 391 00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:56,480 there might be fertile ground for his message. And of 392 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920 course too, these are the guys and the parents and 393 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,400 sweethearts and wives like guys, we're gonna get we're gonna 394 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,279 get drafted, you know, living in these places. There was 395 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:09,640 a real momentum there. And this was London also in 396 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:14,039 large measure, okay, and I mean that's huge, and especially 397 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:17,119 in the UK, it's like every one thing. If Moseley 398 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:24,839 was uh was only raising mobs of this of this 399 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,240 numerical magnitude you know, in the sticks or in you know, 400 00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,960 kind of far flung constituencies, I mean, like his own Frankly, 401 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,559 that'd be one thing, but I mean this was, this 402 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,480 was in London. He was doing this, you know, and 403 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:44,519 the mostly rallying cry at this point, just before internament 404 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,000 was like raise your arm for peace, meaning like you know, 405 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,319 hail victory, but you know for peace. You know, when 406 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,319 that that really really really upset vance Attard. Van Sittard 407 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,720 took to going around handing out I mean, what what 408 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,799 what what a petty piece of shit that this guy was. 409 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:02,839 Instead of going around druing of a list of people 410 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,799 he wanted to see shot for treason, Like what what 411 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440 kind of a like like, what kind of an adult 412 00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:14,279 man of presumably you know, sound mind goes around and 413 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,400 drawing up a list of people he wants dead. I mean, 414 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,599 you can't, you can't make this up. But these are 415 00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:23,119 the kinds of people who were, you know in UH 416 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,799 in the true seat of power, which speaks for itself. 417 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,480 But another thing, that kind of UH not just sealed 418 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:40,279 Moseley's fate in terms of UH, the focused regime, but 419 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:47,640 also raised his profile and made him indisputably the UH 420 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:53,200 that like the the the leader of British fascism and 421 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:58,519 national socialism. It was the matter of William Joyce, as 422 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:04,319 I think of it, and also Gebels openly praising mostly 423 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,119 and Gebels didn't really praise anybody outside of the Greater 424 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,799 German Reich as a part of that was political. Part 425 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,480 of that was because Gebels was it just wasn't really 426 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,160 in his nature to be that charitable, you know. But 427 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,279 William Joyce UH was executed in a gross miscarriage of justice. 428 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,000 And I'll get into why that is. Who is William Joyce. 429 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,559 William Joyce joined the British Union of fascists in uh 430 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,599 nineteen thirty two, so he could be considered an all confer. 431 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880 He became a leading speaker. He was an Irish Man. 432 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,000 He was Protestant, but he was an irishman, like I 433 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,559 don't mean he was an ulsterman. I mean he was 434 00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:56,680 Irish Irish, but well, I'll get into his family's loyalism 435 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:03,680 and his mother's confessional heritage. But he, uh, he was 436 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,799 a typical kind of were not typical beaure's nothing typical 437 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,440 about this, but he's kind of like a cliched like 438 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,960 great kind of like Irish order and like partisan. You know. Uh, 439 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,640 he was just like very thin, almost kind of almost 440 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,160 kind of spectral looking man, like very pale, but super intense. 441 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,680 You know, it wasn't conventionally handsome, but like women really 442 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,440 liked him and and like and like guys looked up 443 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,279 to him, and you know he there's like this kind 444 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:40,960 of dynamic like really really forceful, angry tenor to his 445 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,519 delivery that never seemed like theatrically ridiculous. Like the guy 446 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,680 he just seemed like stone like a stone cold artisan 447 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,640 who also I had like a gift of like beautiful 448 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,839 flourish that was never obnoxious and soaring in its quality. 449 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,680 But uh he became the BUF director of propaganda. He 450 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:08,800 replaced Wilfred Risden and later became arguably the like like 451 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,880 the closest man after the closest man to Mosley, like 452 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,440 in in the leadership element. He also like and as 453 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,119 another like cliched Irish character is he was a brawler. 454 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000 Like he he'd go, he'd go toe to toe with 455 00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,719 any man. He had no fear and despite like not 456 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,440 being physically strong, he was incredibly tough and people were 457 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,679 afraid of him. He was like a legit like street fighter. 458 00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:41,719 But uh, what's significant though, is he he'd been born 459 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:47,880 in Brooklyn, you at, New York City, USA. His parents, 460 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:54,360 uh were from the West of Ireland. His mother was 461 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,719 a devout like Anglican, like Church of Ireland Anglican. His 462 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,280 day he was a Catholic, but his mom definitely ruled 463 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,719 the roost, and when he was still an infant, his 464 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,880 parents moved back to Ireland. You know. But he his 465 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,800 citizenship was American and Irish. He was not a British citizen. 466 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,480 And this becomes significant not just for academic reasons, but 467 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,199 for reasons of due process on other things. But his big, 468 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:35,679 his big contribution in part he spearheaded the effort to 469 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,039 First of all, he was instrumental in changing the name 470 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,800 that BUF for the British Union of Fascists and National Socialists. 471 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,000 He identified as a national socialists first last and always. Okay, 472 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 he had no time. I mean, he was obviously pro white, 473 00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:55,079 like all national socialists are. They had no time for 474 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:58,199 the bullshit racialism of people like our lease. You know, 475 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,719 he said, our enemies first last and are the Jews. 476 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,079 You know, if if we're not going to attack Jewish 477 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:10,480 power and identify Jews as is like the enemies of 478 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,360 of of of the European race, then we're not serious, 479 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:21,599 you know. And the transition of the party platform away 480 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:25,280 from this kind of like in ideological terms, that kind 481 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,760 of secular corporatism and away from this kind of like 482 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,599 bullshit racialism towards you know, a real kind of national 483 00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:40,639 socialist disposition that was very, very focused on combating when 484 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:46,320 they perceived as the Jewish enemy. This this was this 485 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:53,920 was because of Joyce. Okay. He was ultimately sacked by 486 00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:01,440 Moseley and he went on to ablish his own national 487 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:08,880 socialist firm, which wasn't the mass membership organization that thinks 488 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,119 the question is whether Joyce, despite is brilliance for oratory 489 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:19,440 and political soldiery in partisan terms, I speculate he might 490 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,480 have thought that a Sea Lion assault was coming and 491 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,440 he was trying to form a cadre. But because it 492 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,119 may him and Moses falling out, Mosey refused to condemn 493 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,719 him or speak against him. It was pretty clear it 494 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,639 was personal or Joyce maybe will have had designs on 495 00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:41,159 on on leadership, and that's something you can't tolerate. It 496 00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:45,840 doesn't make you an egomaniac or somebody who's in the 497 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,639 game for clout. You can't. You can't have people who 498 00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,360 are like intriguing to like replace you in the ranks. 499 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,880 But one of the reasons I believe that Joyce thought 500 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,639 Sea Lion was gonna be reality, Joyce said to his 501 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,960 intimates and confidence openly he was really outraged by the 502 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,079 Government of India bill which was passed in nineteen thirty five. 503 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,159 I mean outraged at the government because that basically was 504 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:22,159 a plan for like a kind of devolved federalism or 505 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:26,960 devolved administration in India, similar to what had gone gone 506 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:31,159 on in Ireland, with eventually obviously like letting India go. 507 00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:37,559 Joyce said, you know, I'm gonna be the Viceroy of 508 00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:43,039 India someday when we win meaning the access powers. You know, 509 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:48,800 who who is there gonna be under arms as a cadre, 510 00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,000 you know, but but us and and and the BUF 511 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,760 you know, a national socialists who've proven themselves by fighting 512 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,639 the communists in the street. I'm paraphrasing, you know, And 513 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,840 and Edward the Eighth is gonna he's gonna, you know, 514 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,760 he's he's gonna reclaim his rightful place again, you know, 515 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:10,320 on the throne. And I'm gonna become the Viceroy of India. 516 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,440 You know. He's like mostly told me that. I mean 517 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,239 whether Mostly told him that or not, who knows. But 518 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:25,519 obviously as late as late as a ninety forty one 519 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,599 or so, there's nothing he believed that this is like 520 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,079 actually gonna happen. And don't get me wrong, everybody thought 521 00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,719 that Germany was was going to realize n sig That's 522 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,039 what I'm talking about. He literally thought that, like there's 523 00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,559 gonna be like a national socialist United Kingdom like under 524 00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:47,639 German hegemony, and the Empire was gonna you know, become 525 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:53,320 like the fascist Guardian of the Sea or something, which 526 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,199 seems pretty fantastical. But again, I've noticed that in my 527 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,199 own life as well as in my studies of the 528 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,079 historical record, a lot of guys who make the best partisans, 529 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,679 you know, and in the way that Joyce was, they 530 00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:16,159 don't really understand Blake conceptual geopolitics and in Zeitgeist things. Okay, 531 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:17,719 so I'm not gonna sit here and make fun of 532 00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,159 Joys for being like an Irish and angry Irish romantic 533 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,199 who you know, was was at base like a political soldier. 534 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:35,800 But Joyce uh realized the way things were going when 535 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:40,719 the Second World War broke out, and that he realized, okay, 536 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,039 I'm probably eminently going to be arrested, you know. So 537 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:54,719 Joyce and his wife emigrated to Germany. He'd been tipped off, 538 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,960 probably that he was going to be detained somehow, even 539 00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:06,639 before even before Defense Rag eighteen B came down, especially 540 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,760 because he wasn't the British citizen, you know, if they 541 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,679 wanted to really play perfectest hardball, they could say, well, 542 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,119 you're an enemy alien, aren't you, you know. And in 543 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:23,400 nineteen forty he became a naturalized German citizen and upon 544 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,880 owing to his own kind of gumption in charisma, as 545 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,760 well as the fact that again he and Mosey are 546 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,559 falling out, but Mosey never condemned the man or anything 547 00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:41,440 of the sort. Joyce had. He had a chance of 548 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:47,880 meeting with a lady named Dorothy Eckersley who'd also emigrated 549 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,239 to Berlin, and she'd been uh in the in the 550 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:58,840 women's division of the BUF and she got him an 551 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,119 interview early to sit down at the room funk house, 552 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:12,840 the broadcasting house. Okay, that is how Lord Hahaw came 553 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,360 to exist. Okay, because Gerbels who was always looking for 554 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:25,239 people who could propagandaie fluently, you know, in languages that 555 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,159 would be impactful and key constituencies. You know, I can't 556 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:31,840 remember the names on my head, but there was there 557 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,320 was this Iraqi guy who became buddies with Gebels and 558 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,400 he broadcast you know, Arabic language pro axis propaganda to 559 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:45,119 Iraq the Levant you know, Palestine, and I mean that's 560 00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:52,280 fascinating too. But uh, Joyce's first broadcast he read the 561 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,000 news out in English on September sixth, nineteen thirty nine, 562 00:42:56,159 --> 00:43:02,320 just three days after the onset of hostilities, and they 563 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,559 were so impressed. And he had he had he had 564 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,440 perfect diction, you know, which he was an educated guy, 565 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,639 and again he had a cosmopolitan upbringing, despite you don't 566 00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,719 think of like an Irish street fighter as having that 567 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:23,360 sort of intellectual resume, but he did. And he uh 568 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,559 he became uh the exclusive English and newsreader of the 569 00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:35,159 Propaganda Ministry. He got his name uh a guy named 570 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:41,119 uh Jonah Barrington, a Daily Express uh radio critic. He 571 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,320 referred to him as a man quote moaning periodically from 572 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,199 Ziesen who speaks English of the hahawd, damn it out 573 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,119 of my way variety. So uh Joyce decided to lean 574 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,440 into that ship instead of identifying himself as Lord Hawhaw, 575 00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:06,239 which is actually pretty funny. But it what's ironic though, 576 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,519 is later there was this guy, uh who's a comedian 577 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:16,320 who was also on uh on on on on Berlin 578 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,400 radio then named Wolf Mittler, and uh he was a 579 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,719 comedian and a journalist, and he'd affect this like almost 580 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,960 flawless English accent that sounded deliberately moronic, almost kind of 581 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,639 like a Monty Python his caricature, you know, and I 582 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,599 just like say, like ridiculous bullshit, and it's it's it's 583 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,239 believed Barrington might even though he said that it was 584 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,679 Joyce that he heard, he might have heard uh mitler, 585 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,760 which makes it even like more funny. But uh, you 586 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,840 know and like uh as on the side, I mean 587 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,360 admittedly like uh, I've I've got uh, I've got kind 588 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,199 of a strange sense of humor, but uh, if you 589 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,480 know what to look for and you understand the context, 590 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:03,400 like adjusting for historic uh nuances. Uh, like a lot, 591 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,280 a lot of a lot of the stuff that came 592 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,719 out of Germany of like that was deliberately comedic was 593 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,519 actually like really funny. Like it's not like Germans are 594 00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:17,920 just like a funny people, you know, like uh figuratively 595 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,440 and like literally and in terms of their comedic chops. 596 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,920 But this, I mean, this whole thing kind of seems 597 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,519 like like like something you'd seen in like a comedic 598 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,559 satire movie. Like it isn't weird, but I mean, like 599 00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:38,199 everything everything that happens with respect the British at wards, 600 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:44,480 everything involving the British at wartime is weird. But the uh, 601 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,840 the combination of Lord Haja suddenly appearing like whoever Barrington 602 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,519 heard like haha was like a real guy. Yet he 603 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:59,719 was broadcasting on the daily and that and British intelligence, 604 00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:07,239 you know, which was and they were very good and 605 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,920 they still are in imperative terms them coming to understand 606 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,480 that Gebels thought highly the b UF, and he basically 607 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:22,159 never mentioned like any other like national Socialist element abroad 608 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,920 m I six uh secret intelligence service. They were laid 609 00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:34,840 back to, uh, they relaid back to the war cabinet. Look, 610 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,079 Gebels considers the BUF to be like the National Socialist 611 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:43,239 cadre in in in the United Kingdom. That's literally what 612 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:50,639 they said. And that's when the fix was in finally, 613 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,320 you know, I mean it was I think it was 614 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,000 an out. Most of it was going to be incarcerated regardless. 615 00:46:55,039 --> 00:47:02,239 But that was when even even accounting for the deliberately 616 00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:14,639 loose language uh statutary language devised uh for Regulation eighteen B, 617 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,440 now they had what was, you know, concrete evidence that 618 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,159 Moseley was a clear and present threat to national security 619 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,159 and that uh, that was that what became a joyce. 620 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:40,679 This is important and just a horrible Joyce was captured 621 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:47,239 at Flinsburg, which is near the German border with Denmark, 622 00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:52,039 which of course was where like the last play, it 623 00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:55,440 was near me, like the last where the Donnage government was. 624 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:06,400 You know, Joyce got catured the Uh, British Army intelligence 625 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,199 obviously they took a very strong interest in what was 626 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:17,559 going on in that operational area. They spotted this disheveled 627 00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:22,920 looking guy gathering firewood, you know, so they confronted him. 628 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:29,440 The German jew who's adopted uh name was Jeffrey Perry 629 00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:39,159 even born Horst Penschever or Pinschever Pinshever. Uh, like a 630 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,360 lot of a lot of German Jewry, German and Polish 631 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,239 Jews had found their way to the UK and the USA, 632 00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:50,599 and they were very deep and military intelligence. And of course, 633 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:57,159 uh one of the men who testified, uh interrogated and 634 00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:00,800 then testified on Piper and leipstend Are. It was Pearl 635 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,559 who later came out was was uh what was a torture? 636 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,639 You know? His his his old thing was enhanced interrogation, 637 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,079 you know, which is really really grotesque in all kinds 638 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:18,320 of ways. But I have no idea if if Perry 639 00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:26,840 aka pinshi Ever tortured anybody. But he was an intelligence man, 640 00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:34,039 and he engaged Joyce in conversation, and he was about 641 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:38,519 to let him go and he said, Uh, you've got 642 00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:42,719 a really interesting diction. You know, have you ever have 643 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,800 you ever been west? Have you ever been you know, 644 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,639 to the United States of the United Kingdom? And I 645 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:57,039 guess uh. Joyce answered him in English, and they carried 646 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,760 on for a moment, you know, Joyce kind of carefully 647 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,360 guarding his identity, and one of the other men in 648 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,840 Pinchever's detail said, that's Lord Haha. I recognized that voice, 649 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:17,840 and Joyce had a really like deep register that was distinct, 650 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,440 you know, if you hear somebody on the radio all 651 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,480 the time, and especially intelligence types who I'm sure we're 652 00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:36,760 studying these broadcasts. Pinchever then detained him and after a while, 653 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,639 you know, Joyce is like, look, I'm not I'm not 654 00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:45,519 gonna pretend I'm William Joyce. I'm Lord haw you know. 655 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,280 He was driven to a border post and then he 656 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,559 was handed over to the MP's he was taking to 657 00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,960 London and he was tried on charges of high treason 658 00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,840 because again the trees in law, the only punishment was death, 659 00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:12,000 you know, and uh, he pled not guilty on a 660 00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:15,119 theory of I'm not a citizen of the United Kingdom. 661 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,960 I can't be a trader, you know, and a lady 662 00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,559 named Rebecca West wrote a book called the Meaning of Treason, 663 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,280 and this kind of brought the case to kind of 664 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,840 greater awareness. Like people, I think people didn't fully realize, 665 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,199 especially because about propaganda as they were, as well as 666 00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:40,400 the lack of availability of information that we take for 667 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,320 granted today, take for granted today. I think they just 668 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,159 assumed that he'd been tried for you know, some some 669 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,559 kind of propaganda related war crime or something, you know, 670 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:55,159 and didn't really think about it, you know. And of 671 00:51:55,159 --> 00:52:01,159 course Julia Striker had been executed for quite literally publishing 672 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:04,000 a magazine or a newspaper that was in bad taste, 673 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,480 you know, I mean so, but he was literally tried 674 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:19,239 and executed for treason, you know. Uh. And uh A J. P. Taylor, 675 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:26,559 who's a not he's a revisionist in a sense. He's 676 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,880 a great historian. I highly recommend him. Norman Davies was 677 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,800 a disciple at Taylor. Taylor wrote in his History of England. 678 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,199 Technical quote. Technically Joyce was hanged from making a false 679 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,719 statement when applying for a passport, the usual penalty of 680 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,440 which is a small fine, which is kind of this 681 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:53,559 literal gallows humor, but it also happens to be true 682 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,519 the statement just for clarity, and I'm sure the subs 683 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:08,079 are probably interested. The statement. The literal statement that was 684 00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:14,159 attributed to Gebels regarding the matter of Oswald Moseley and 685 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,639 the BUF was this is submitted by Special Intelligence Service. 686 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,159 They claimed Gebels was on a record as saying, quote, 687 00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:28,760 Moseley is making his presence felt if he goes ahead skillfully, 688 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:38,119 he will have several opportunities. That seems weirdly cryptic and scripted. 689 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,079 I mean, I I've read a lot of what Gebels wrote. 690 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,760 I don't want to get into some debate about like 691 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,519 what is authentic and what is not. Just take my 692 00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:49,519 words when I've written a lot of what Gebels. I've 693 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,679 read a lot of what Gebels has written that doesn't 694 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,920 sound like his writing voice, and it's just what does 695 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,599 they mean? Like, you know, this guy will have many 696 00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:04,599 opportunities like that seems tailored to kind of substantiate a 697 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,480 charge of some kind of subversive activity in the role 698 00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:14,360 of proxy of an enemy element. Maybe I'm looking too 699 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,599 much into this, but I don't find it hard to 700 00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:25,360 believe that Gerbels praised mostly he probably did directly in 701 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:30,639 the presence of somebody who then availed this hearsay to 702 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,840 some British agents or you know, it was recorded on 703 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,960 some document that was then appropriated and delivered to a 704 00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:47,719 you know, the Home Office and intelligence branch or whatever. 705 00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:50,760 And this is just kind of like what the way 706 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,000 they decided to paraphrase it and cross their proverbial te's 707 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,119 and dot their eyes. But yeah, let me see what 708 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,559 the time it is. Yeah, I'll wrap up. 709 00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,400 Speaker 1: I think we're looking I think we're looking at another episode. 710 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,079 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll wrap it up here in 711 00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,039 a minute, and the next episode will deal with like 712 00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,480 the British Free Corp. Because that's actually important. Then it's 713 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,760 like a good addendum to this. And plus it's as 714 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:19,599 cool like Britishers being in. It's just cool. I mean, 715 00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,960 I think it's cool, but I'm sure people who were 716 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:29,960 inclined to listen will too. But there's also been a theory, 717 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,800 and I don't know where David Irving fell on this. 718 00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:40,079 I I tried to find it, but his God love 719 00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,360 Irving as well as anybody in his orbit. But the uh, 720 00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:50,719 other than his bookseller website for Focal Point Publications, the 721 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,039 David Irving archive is like a mess. It's become like 722 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,559 a non navigable mess, which sucks. I really, if anybody 723 00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:02,039 close to mister Irving is watching this, please salvage that 724 00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:06,480 stuff and make it accessible in a coherent way. Because 725 00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:11,440 God forbid mister Irving passes away, we're not gonna be 726 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,679 able to access to that stuff, and it's gonna be 727 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:22,199 wiped from the cloud. But I digress. I think Gebels 728 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,079 may very well have been talking about Albert Arthur Albert Tester. 729 00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:33,639 Arthur Albert Tester, he's referred to in a lot of 730 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,159 I five and six memorandum is doctor Tester. Tester was 731 00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:45,119 the son of a British Foreign Office guy, a diplomat, 732 00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:50,519 and he married a German woman, and his father was 733 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:55,519 the long serving consul in Stuttgart, where Tester spent like 734 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,760 his early childhood and because that's where he learned to 735 00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,760 both English and German. For the rest of his life 736 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,480 he spoke English with like a slate German accent. Okay. 737 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,119 When the First World War broke out, Tester was interned 738 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,760 in Germany as a British citizen. After that his life 739 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,719 kind of goes dark. But he was chased out of 740 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:34,400 France under suspicion of espionage for Germany. Then he ended 741 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,760 up in the UK in the thirties. He moved into 742 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:45,440 this like luxury penthouse apartment in London. He also had uh, 743 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,840 this like stately mansion on the sea, and like nobody 744 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,960 had any idea like where this guy got his money. 745 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,280 You know, It's like there was some prestige to like 746 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,840 being a diplomat like his father was. But those guys 747 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:03,840 didn't have money, you know. So early on Tester joined 748 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:12,519 the BUF and uh kind of before Joyce really became 749 00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:18,920 a force within the British Union, Tester was advocating national socialism, 750 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,119 you know, he uh and he was basically he was 751 00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:30,960 translating a lot of national socialist literature into English. His 752 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:35,119 significance isn't really clear. He claimed that like he was 753 00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,360 the mind behind it. He said, yeah, Mosey was like 754 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,519 a hard man and a charismatic man, but I was 755 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:43,840 the brains behind the BUF, Like I wrote their propaganda. 756 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,719 I was the aid de camp of Moseley. I was 757 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,679 the one on the ground at Cable Street who rallied everybody. 758 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,320 I mean, the guy was like an egomaniac. Okay, so 759 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,840 a lot of this was probably cap and bullshit, but 760 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:03,679 he did play roll and because he was rich as 761 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,239 fuck for reasons nobody could explain, you know, Suddenly when 762 00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,159 he joined that's when like Mosley stopped being desperate for 763 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,199 money all the time. It's like obviously like he was 764 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:22,920 throwing a lot of his wealth into a buf Coffers 765 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,800 and Tester was also he was the only direct link 766 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,960 to the in in terms of a chain of money 767 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:37,239 or information. Early liaison with the German Reich, he founded uh, 768 00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:43,079 what he called the European Press Agency, which was uh. 769 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,800 He held himself out as I'm just like an independent 770 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:51,199 newspaper man, but this was like a Reich propaganda apparatus. 771 00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,960 Like that's not that, that's not pejorative that, but this 772 00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:01,199 is what it was, Okay, and it's believed by a 773 01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:07,039 lot of people like uh, you know, like revisionists and 774 01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:11,440 others that Okay, Yes, Gebels made the statement, but he 775 01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:15,159 was talking about Tester, you know, Like why why would 776 01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:18,639 Goebels just like randomly mentioned Oswald Mosley? You conveniently win 777 01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:23,719 there's a need to like identify some statement that can 778 01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:28,519 you know, kind of sew up a charge under eighteen B. 779 01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,920 So take that for what it's worth. I accept that perspective. 780 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:37,760 I think Tester was the subject of the statement. But yeah, yeah, 781 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,519 I hope people are continuing to enjoy this series. And 782 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,239 we'll go one final episode in the British Free Corps 783 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:47,519 and that'll be a change of pace, but it's important 784 01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,599 and it bears directly on on the fortunes of Mosley 785 01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:55,760 for the remainder of his life. But yeah, yeah, that's what. 786 01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,840 Speaker 1: I got, right, cool plugs place. 787 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best place to find my work product is 788 01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:11,239 on substack. It's a real Thomas seven seven seven dot 789 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,440 substack dot com. At long last, I'm gonna upload the 790 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,199 movie that my dear friend Rake and I made this weekend. 791 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,679 I'm just sussing out the right platform. But regardless, even 792 01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,320 if I got to put it on gum Road or something, 793 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,719 you'll be able to like link it from there or 794 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,159 I'll always tell you where it's at. My all on 795 01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:36,239 social media is at Capital R E A L underscore 796 01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:39,679 number seven h O M A S seven seven seven 797 01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,039 dot com. And you can also search me unto my 798 01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:51,400 government name, I'm Thomas Sear and seeking you shall find. Yeah, 799 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:52,199 that's all I got. 800 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,119 Speaker 1: All right until episode seven. 801 01:01:55,239 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah s.