WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:26.480 I don't know what else there is, Like, what else 2 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.320 can we do and say? If you don't understand at 3 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:35.840 this point that papism is a giant criminal enterprise, then 4 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:39.039 I don't have anything else to talk to you about. Like, 5 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.840 I don't even want you around here. You can go elsewhere. 6 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:46.560 I don't need your friendship, I don't need your interactions. 7 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:49.799 I don't care about your channels. I don't care about 8 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.200 the clicks. Now, I'm going to have open forums, and 9 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.000 there's always the opportunity of Catholics want to call in, 10 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.479 But there are no more public Roman Catholics been worth 11 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.240 debating anymore. I mean I drank a lot as a 12 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.680 trade cat because deep down this shit was insane. I 13 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:08.319 don't know how do I make this work. I might 14 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.920 as well get drunk. I don't know. So I don't know, man. 15 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:16.799 The documents themselves are insinuitive of a more liberal position, 16 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.719 and they were intentionally written in such a way that 17 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.319 they would be that they could be weaponized later. A 18 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:27.439 lots of the Council fathers that were rhono Wites admitted this, 19 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.640 things like you know, what's our relationship to be with 20 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:35.159 the Muslims. Jay made reference to this earlier, what's our 21 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.000 relationship to be with the Hindus, And it sounded more liberal. Really, 22 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.319 what they were doing was quoting things from Pope Pius 23 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:44.400 the tenth, a very based older pope. They're quoting even 24 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:49.640 from medieval popes who acknowledged things like, technically speaking, the 25 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.680 Muslims are monotheists. Technically they're one of the Western religions. 26 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.159 Technically they worship the One True God, but they worshiped 27 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.719 the One True God in the false way Trads, you know, 28 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:03.680 rad Trad's Orthodox. Everyone gets worked up about this, but 29 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.599 it turns out that this is a very very old 30 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:08.479 medieval term that the Church is not the same for Hinduism, 31 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:11.800 because the Vatican too says the same as they they believe. 32 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:16.319 They not about Hindus, Hindus, not Moslims Hindus. Okay, read 33 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.199 what it says about hindu loss. In Hinduism, people explore 34 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:22.159 the divine mystery and they explore it and express it. 35 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.840 How do you explore the true mystery of God? You 36 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.520 can explore what you're looking for, explore Christianity. It's absolutely 37 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.759 don't explore Christianity and Hinduism. They seek release from the 38 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.719 trials of present life through ascetic practices and meditation and 39 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.599 recourse to God in confidence. I agree, all that's bad, 40 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:44.400 but you miss so it's bad my uncle remus. Wait wait, 41 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.319 my uncle Remis believes dogs like your uncle can fly. 42 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.639 Oh this is your dogmatic statements that are supposed to 43 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.360 provide clarity, right, need they need to be interpreted by you? 44 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:54.159 Be those are ambiguous? 45 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:54.360 No? No? 46 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:54.479 No? 47 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.879 Are they clear or ambiguous? Perfectly clear? They're Hindu said 48 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.919 it was bad? Wait was it clear or bad? You 49 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:04.919 finished jail? I'll go after you're done. They have recourse 50 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.639 to God. Gods will do the same thing. So just again, 51 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.400 was that we have said of a collection irrelevant? So 52 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.719 that's a direct object. That's a genetic facis genetic fallacy 53 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.520 to say that because it is. You just said, I 54 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:22.879 don't know, so appealed authority, appealed authority, genetic fallacy, other fallacy. 55 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.159 They believe you're king of fallacy. The record, we say, 56 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.719 they believe you're lying. You added that explode? Where does 57 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:30.439 it say they do that? Read the sentence. It says 58 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.879 that they seek release, and they have recourse to God 59 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:36.719 and confidence, and the seek they have recourse, No, and 60 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:40.479 have recourse, They seek and have recourse, okay, and what 61 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.319 he's going to say and recourse finish up and recourse 62 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.840 What does that mean? Recourse they have They seek in 63 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.840 the canefidence and love in God. I'll speak once he's done. 64 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.639 So what in thematican two documents that I was very honest. 65 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.039 By the way, it's a genetic fallacy. Can I see 66 00:03:57.039 --> 00:04:00.000 the book? Yeah? Yeah, read the sentence paragraph right here. 67 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.439 Let me read it again for you. In the relations 68 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.479 is going to keep it. In the religion of Hinduism, 69 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:11.360 people explore the divine mystery, explore thank you. I just 70 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.479 said that. It doesn't mean they found repeat each word 71 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:15.840 after I say each what have you said ascertained? If 72 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:17.800 they said ascertained, we'd have a hard time. So he 73 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.199 doesn't want me to read the whole quote because he 74 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:24.240 knows the later part is the difference beeen Hindu God. 75 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.199 It is very real. They have recourse to God in 76 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:33.240 confidence and love. They start the sentence over they seek. 77 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.439 Jay thinks that the sentence said that Hindus have ascertained, 78 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:43.319 haven't ascertained? It says that through exploring it. But you 79 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.720 said it was a bad statement earlier. No, no, no, 80 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.680 I said, no, it's not that's from read the document. 81 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.920 I'm saying that it's very easy to misinterpret if I say, mine, 82 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.959 my dear old uncle remus, why do he can fly? 83 00:04:56.120 --> 00:04:58.399 Do we need you to interpret the document? You're saying, 84 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.240 why do we need you to interpret the you to 85 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:05.920 interpret the dog? The logic professor keeps making fallacies. Ask 86 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:07.399 me what Let me read what I thought it? Why 87 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.439 do you need to interpret them? Let me read it. 88 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.079 There's a paragraph before that one I want to read. 89 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.040 I just want to read the full paragraph. Or actually 90 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:16.519 this is part of the full paragraph. 91 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:16.920 It says. 92 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.079 Throughout history to the present day, there is found among 93 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:22.000 different peoples a certain awareness of a hidden power which 94 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.199 lies behind the course of nature and the events of 95 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.399 human life. At times, there is present even a recognition 96 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.560 of a supreme being, or still more of a father. 97 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.519 This awareness and recognition results in a way of life 98 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.600 that is imbued with a deep religious sense. The religions 99 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:39.639 which are found in more advanced civilizations endeavor by way 100 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:44.279 of well defined concepts and exact language to answer these questions. Thus, 101 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:48.079 in Hinduism, people explore the divine mystery and express it 102 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.480 both in the limitless riches of myth and the accurately 103 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:53.120 defined insights of philosophy. 104 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:54.680 They seek release from. 105 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.879 The trials of the present life by ascetical practices, profound meditation, 106 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.319 and recourse to God in confidence and love. 107 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:04.240 Buddhism in its various forms. 108 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.439 Testing costs to the essential inadequacy of this changing world. 109 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:09.800 It proposes a way of life by which people can, 110 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.000 with confidence and trust, attain a state of perfect liberation 111 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.319 and reach supreme elimination, either through their own efforts or 112 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:19.399 with divine help. So to other religions which are found 113 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.399 throughout the world, attempt in different ways to overcome the 114 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:26.160 restlessness of people's hearts by outlining a program of life 115 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:29.360 covering doctrine, moral precepts, and sacred rights. 116 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.680 Yeah, this is our perfect liberation in Hindu. 117 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.279 And real quick, I do want to read this little bit. 118 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:35.959 I didn't want to read the one paraphy. There's a 119 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:36.920 little bit more that I think is interesting. 120 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:44.240 You already said it's bad. It goes one like me again, 121 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.680 another fallacy, hominem so fallacy. 122 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.000 It actually says here we have a mute. But immediately follow. 123 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.920 Because he's calling out, I'm calling out the logic, professor. 124 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:54.839 I just want to point out that by and back. 125 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.600 Okay, sorry, sorry, But immediately following this parent WHI says, 126 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.079 the Catholic Church reject nothing of what is true and 127 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.600 wholly in these religions. There it is as a high 128 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.800 regard for the manner of life and conduct conduct the 129 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.360 precepts and doctrines, which, although differing in many ways from 130 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.199 its own teaching, nevertheless often reflect array of that truth 131 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.639 which enlightens all men and women. Yet it proclaims it 132 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.519 is in duty bound to proclaim without fail Christ, who 133 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:22.759 is the way the truth in life. In Him, in 134 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.879 whom God reconciled all things to himself, people find the 135 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:27.160 fullness of their religious life. 136 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:31.839 Thank you, I was all that shows contradiction. No, that 137 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:32.360 doesn't help you. 138 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.199 I actually agree with with the Catholic view. 139 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.720 It's basically saying the way I interpret that, it's saying 140 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:40.879 Hindus and Buddhists are looking through a key hole and 141 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.319 seeing these fragments that they're not quite understanding properly. And 142 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:46.560 if they were to adhere to Jesus Christ and find 143 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:46.959 the way. 144 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:51.279 The problem is the even non liberals at the council. 145 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.839 Problem is that only written by D fourteen, Jesus says 146 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.000 that he's the only way right, the truth in the life. 147 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.680 It's that. But I understand that the problem is that 148 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.279 you can It says in the religions of Hinduism and Buddhism, 149 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.199 men find love in God and they find they seek love. No, 150 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.319 it says they find it. They believe they unphrase says 151 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.439 seek it. Then it says they find it. Just like 152 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.279 I said, Read it again, just like it says Muslims 153 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:18.680 adore the one God. Well, well, Muslims are different because 154 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.639 they're not religion, No, they're not. Do they believe religion? 155 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:23.639 You believe? Do they believe in one God or multiple? 156 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.160 They believe in Monos? Says the Monos the Bible teach. 157 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:31.120 Does the Bible teach the Trinity? Or Monotheism the Trinity? 158 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:33.440 So the Muslims don't believe in the God of the body. 159 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.240 You know that? Do you know what the sense reference dichotomy? That? Okay? 160 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:38.080 I have a question. 161 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.960 So if you understand what sense reference dichotomy, does Jesus okay, 162 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.279 we can be referring to the same thing. Does Jesus 163 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.039 you describe it as yellow? I just and we're still 164 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.519 restarting to say that the Pharisees misunderstanding this reference. Does 165 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:54.200 Jesus think that the Pharisees accurately worship the Father? No, 166 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.000 of course not so then then that that undoes your argument, 167 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.759 undoes your Muslim lane because you said you understand the 168 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.799 sense reference dichotomy. Explain how by sense risk affirmative and 169 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:08.360 by reference it would be a negative answer. We can 170 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:10.639 be referring to the same thing. If you think Cleveland 171 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:13.279 doesn't that and I think they disprove your sense reference argument, 172 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:14.840 and we're not that you want to disprove your sense 173 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.399 with stance of the question, I can disprove it by 174 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:22.960 Muslims sense reference. Do Mormons believe in Jesus? No, Mormons 175 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:25.919 don't believe. Do they use the term Jesus? No, they 176 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:30.840 not use the terms absolutely, Mormons use the term wait wait, wait, 177 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:36.679 nor believe Mormons believe Jesus is I'm the one guy 178 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.720 that hasn't been interrupting. So Mormons believe that there is 179 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.960 a historical Jesus. He believes that he that that Mormons 180 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.440 Jesus is not the son of gods. I know what 181 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.799 they believe co religion. So just like Muslims, if they 182 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:50.960 say I believe in the one God. It's the quantifier 183 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.120 shift fallacy. No, that's just the quantity that's true. But 184 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:57.039 that's what the document is reference to the quantifier shift fallacy. 185 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.639 Then that undoes what what does that mean? What does 186 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:00.480 that mean? So it's like if I say I have 187 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.279 one mother, you have one mother. We all have one mother. 188 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.519 Therefore we come from the same mother. It's a quantifying 189 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.120 shift fallacy. So one God, well, we all believe in 190 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:11.799 one God. Therefore it's the same God. Vatican two is 191 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.480 using the quantifier shift fallacy. And read the line. Read 192 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.440 the line that you think is false definitively, because there 193 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.919 are no definitive statements you've read that are fault. Notice 194 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.120 that seeking searching, exploring, why do we need. 195 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:26.279 It? 196 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:27.879 Was just retarded. Just retard. 197 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:29.759 The quartiis shift fallaws is retarded, I think. 198 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:33.399 Okay, guys, guys, no claim that there's something false you 199 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:35.559 just read it is retarded. Okay, let me, let me. 200 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:38.639 Let's written by liberals. I gave you that it's written 201 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:40.919 by liberals, but it's supposed to clarify. So the paper 202 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.159 does the job of clarifying. But it's written by liberals, 203 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:45.960 and we need tim to interpret it for you don't 204 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.200 need me to interpret anything. I'm defending against an attack 205 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:53.200 that you're making. That's that's common miscar one true God, 206 00:10:53.279 --> 00:11:01.279 living and subsisting in himself. Yeah, sift fallas set with 207 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.080 two bargaining dogs. Every time Muslims claim how about this, 208 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.799 Muslims claim to believe in one. It doesn't say it 209 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.960 says they adore. It doesn't say they claim. Muslims the 210 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.720 words now they adore by the sense of reference dichotomy. 211 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.120 Okay, wait, wait, wait, hold on, I want to read this. Yea, 212 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.240 this is important. It says the church also has a 213 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.720 high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is 214 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:27.879 one living as merciful and. 215 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.480 I'm what I said, I'm not. 216 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.679 Done, the creator of heaven and earth, who was also 217 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.600 spoken to humanity. They endeavor to submit themselves without reserve, 218 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.639 to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted 219 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.720 himself to God's plans, and whose faith Muslims eagerly linked 220 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.799 to their own, although not acknowledging him as God. They 221 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.840 venerate Jesus a prophet, his virgin mother. They also honor 222 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.399 and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the 223 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.559 day of judgment and the reward of the reward of 224 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:56.679 God following the resurrection of the dead. 225 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.440 For this reason, they highly esteem. 226 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.240 And upright life life and worship God, especially by way 227 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:04.080 of prayer, alms, deeds, and fasting. 228 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:04.919 It. 229 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:06.440 It does seem like. 230 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.519 They're saying, as far as I can tell, Muslims are 231 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:10.480 worshiping the same God. 232 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:13.320 Yes, well, yes, this is this is a community college 233 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.559 primer on intro to religions and mean, how you couldn't 234 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.039 get quantified ship it's in your Islam is literally one 235 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.440 of the three monotheisms in Western religion. Is it trying? No, 236 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:25.840 It's not the God of the Bible. According to you, 237 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.600 I said, the Bible God is the Trinity. No, yes, 238 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:30.360 you did. Well, of course you don't think. I think 239 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.679 the Bible God is the Trinity. Then the Muslims don't 240 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:35.159 worship the same God because of the quantifier shift fallacy. 241 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.519 The Muslims don't worship the same God. It doesn't say 242 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.799 the same God as US book says. They do, thank you, 243 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:45.279 thank you. They don't worship the same God, Muslim, Are 244 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:49.519 you serious? What's going on? Heresion? They worship God who 245 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.559 is living and subsisting in the marciful Almighty Creator. No, 246 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.159 you said the same God as Us as us, you 247 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.679 and us. No, No, it doesn't say us. Oh so 248 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.799 it doesn't say us. A dude, Muslims worship how many? 249 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.960 How many gods do Muslims worship? Say Jay Dyer? How 250 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.919 many gods do Muslims worship? Worship? How many do they worship? 251 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:11.679 By the way, one or two or three? I don't 252 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.720 believe in generic monotheism. That's a that's a word that 253 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:18.960 it's a distinction. I also don't agree. I believe it's 254 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:22.679 the quantifiership fallacy. One thing. Can you tell me how 255 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.399 I don't believe that they believe they worship One doesn't 256 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.080 matter because the statement is that you said you understood 257 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.879 the sense r go worship. From the orthox perspective, we 258 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.600 reject the whole idea that there are Abrahamic monotistic faiths. 259 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.000 So even though Muslims might see themselves as that, when 260 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.879 we look at the Old Testament revelation, we believe that 261 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.240 it is the Trinity explicitly revealing itself in the Old Testament. 262 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:47.399 They don't know the name per se of the word Trinity, 263 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.240 but it's Yahweh, his Angel messenger and his spirit are revealed, 264 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.600 and in John five through nine, when Jesus debates with 265 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:57.840 the Pharisees, who were the monotheists, he consistently says, you 266 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.320 don't get the right God, you don't get the right pick. Sure, 267 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.240 Abraham worshiped me, Jesus says. In John eight, he says 268 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.720 Moses wrote about him, meaning that Abraham and Moses had 269 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:10.200 faith in Christ. This is a key point to undo 270 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.159 the natural theology argument that the Old Testament posited a 271 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.639 generic theism of just a one monotheistic God. If Abraham 272 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.679 believe in the Trinity, then the whole Abrahamic religion thing 273 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.639 falls apart, and Jesus says that to have faith in 274 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:26.679 him makes you a child of Abraham. Galatians three Paul 275 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:30.360 says exact same thing. So when Vatican two acknowledges that 276 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.879 they have the faith of Abraham together with us, we 277 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.039 believe that as a denial of Jesus teaching in John 278 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.679 eight that you can be a child of Abraham without faith. 279 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.399 I guess that's the art. That's fair. There are fundamentals 280 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.399 that are absolutely essential to have access to God or 281 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:49.399 to Christianity. So to deny, for example, the Trinity or 282 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.440 the incarnation puts us one outside of the bounds of 283 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:53.320 Christianity at all. 284 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.440 I agree that, Like, look at it this way. 285 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.159 There's a bouncer at a club and he says, if 286 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:01.759 you follow the rules, you can come to the club. 287 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:03.919 And half the people follow the rules and get led in. 288 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:05.879 The other half says that guy's telling us to go 289 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.240 bash the windows out, and they get thrown out. They 290 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.320 thought that's what the guy wanted. It's the same guy, 291 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:11.039 but they're doing it wrong. 292 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.720 Well, getting we throw the we do throw people out right. 293 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:19.120 My point is when when Vatican two says they worship God, 294 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:20.960 it's like the bouncer. 295 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:22.279 Being like, yo, I never told those people to throw 296 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:22.919 bricks at the building. 297 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.200 What are they doing? Well? The problem is not just worship, 298 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:27.600 but Vatican two uses the term of adoration, which in 299 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:30.480 Kalach theology is more specific than just a generic idea 300 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:34.080 of natural theology. Adoration is something that's a specific term 301 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:37.320 for like adoring the Eucharist in Calaic theology. And I 302 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.600 would also point out that when my opening statement I 303 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.480 mentioned the fact that the Council of vn, which is 304 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:44.519 a medieval Romancalach theology, which was involved in the crusades. 305 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:49.320 That attitude today that you see here is completely different 306 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.600 than the attitude then in the Middle Ages, where it 307 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:54.840 was the abominable sect of Muhammet. In the council they 308 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.399 call crusades against the Muslims to protect the Holy Land. 309 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.399 Sure attitudes change, Dogmadi, No, no, how can you be the 310 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.320 abominable sect of Muhammed? But now, but now together with us, 311 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:06.159 they adore the once your God. That's the contradiction to 312 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.519 they could be the abominable sect of Muhammad and still 313 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:13.200 worship one they don't, even though by references with us, 314 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.120 Tim Jay can I can I ask? Are these both? 315 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.600 These are both dogmatic councils from Vatican two? Okay, then 316 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:20.159 dogma contradicts hold. 317 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.559 On the resolution of the debate was whether Christians and 318 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.600 Muslims worship the Saint God. If you concede that it's 319 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.080 possible to worship the True God even without in some 320 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:34.720 sense knowing him, then you've just mean I'm. 321 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:37.440 Not because of the passage is that the knowledge is 322 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.600 not getting you anywhere. Islam is predicated on rejecting the 323 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:45.679 Sun and as getting anywhere, getting anywhere. 324 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.279 Because I agree with that, who cares if they're getting 325 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:50.000 anywhere in terms of. 326 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:56.159 The adoration in Vatican two, suggest that there's a pipeline 327 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.840 that does attain to the to the to the object 328 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:00.960 that it's acceptable, and that's why the Pope's going pray 329 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:06.319 in the mosques. That's so they're paid in the moss. 330 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:13.119 That's not what. Can I share my screen to show 331 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:13.839 you what I'm talking about? 332 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.400 No, not yet, No, not yet. It's my turn. So 333 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:19.400 I did the courtesy. I did the courtesy of. 334 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:25.039 Giving everybody syllogisms that summarize my argument in simple logical form. 335 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.680 It's a courtesy, and it makes it an easy target. 336 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:29.720 It allows you to say, I disagree with premise one, or 337 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:30.799 I disagree with premise too. 338 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:32.200 We did not get that from you. 339 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.480 We got a hodgepodge of quotes and no logic connecting 340 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:37.160 them together. Your argument appears to be, and if you've 341 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.960 got a slide, otherwise correct me. The argument appears to 342 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:44.000 be if two people attribute different essential properties to it 343 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:46.279 to a subject term, they cannot refer to the same 344 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.240 insid The superman argument blows the objection. 345 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:50.240 Superman argument blows it apart. 346 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:56.200 It's no different of the reference is irrelevant. No, it's 347 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.920 not if it's predicated on rejecting that thing, then it's 348 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.440 no longer referring to the worship and adoration of that thing. Jesus, 349 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:06.359 you need it? What's your What? 350 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.039 What put it in a syllogism? You've got no logical connection. 351 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:13.000 Between the Yeah, you don't have to if you did. 352 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:18.200 The argument is about whether or not the worship argument. 353 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:27.640 I dargue so we can evaluate logic. I came here, streamer, 354 00:18:28.359 --> 00:18:32.160 I came here to demonstrate the magisterial contradictions, and I've 355 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.720 already done that. You said that God can be worshiped 356 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.039 as a demon and as the True God at the 357 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.400 same time, you already made nobody ever said that. Nobody. 358 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:45.319 I'll give you a one thousand dollars. 359 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:47.599 I'll give you one thousand dollars if you can find 360 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.839 that on the take on thousand dollars. 361 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.960 You said it was. You said it was both. 362 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:53.599 I said an individual. 363 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.200 I said, an individual like the Jews at times, could 364 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:00.519 worship both the true God and a demon. And therefore 365 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.720 it is not the case that ex. 366 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:06.400 God. Get you anywhere. 367 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:09.240 Learn it. 368 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.200 I'm not arguing. I'm arguing your dog. 369 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.920 You're not arguing because it's your Dogmas contradict. 370 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:22.559 You can I just ask, Jake, can I just ask. 371 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.960 What you mean by it doesn't get you anywhere? 372 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.279 What what do you mean by that? I argue that 373 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:32.680 that can choose teachings contradict previous teachings. That's my argument. 374 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.720 No, just what do you mean by it doesn't get 375 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:36.359 you anywhere? 376 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.839 I'm just argument it doesn't There's no Salvafic acceptance of 377 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:42.920 God in that in that in that relationship. 378 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:45.400 That's what. 379 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:51.839 The point of the My argument is that Vatican to 380 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:55.279 contradicts the previous dogmas. That's my argument. That's what I 381 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:55.960 came to argue. 382 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:58.839 What does that argument have to do with the resolution 383 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.920 of the debate and the tell know of the debate. 384 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:05.039 Worship and adoration that is accepted by God is what 385 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:07.519 I'm arguing about. So you can argue something else, but 386 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:12.480 who cares about them? My point is that can I 387 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.559 put my slide back up to make why I'm making 388 00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:21.400 this point? My slide The reason that this matters is 389 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.720 that this is not an intellectual issue, Believe it or not, 390 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:29.519 this is a spiritual issue. Yeah, exactly, I know that 391 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:31.960 as a Tomas do you think that the problem is intellectual? 392 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.119 But it's not, it's spiritual. So when the popes act 393 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.880 on this Vatican two document that Muslims, Jews, and Christians 394 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.960 all worship the same God and they pray in the 395 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.240 synagogues and the moss towards Mecca, which according to Aquinas 396 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:50.960 are actions of apostasy. That's my argument. You have an 397 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.519 apostate papacy that you follow and that you defend. This 398 00:20:54.640 --> 00:21:01.759 is your spiritual tradition meant about. You got no arguments. 399 00:21:02.200 --> 00:21:03.680 This is the argument. 400 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:10.880 Argument, argument has princes and conclusion contradict. The reference of 401 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.279