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Speaker 1: Six fifty seven Boulevard has been the subject of my

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family for decades.

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Speaker 2: It's now my time.

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Speaker 3: Just hearing you read that. It sets off this like

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primal alarm bell in your head, doesn't it. It's so calm,

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and that makes it so much worse.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely visceral, and it goes on. I have

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been in charge of watching and waiting for its second coming.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like, you know, the opening narration to some

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gothic horror film, something out of Shirley Jackson. But this,

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this is in fiction. This was a real letter entered

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into police evidence in New.

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Speaker 1: Jersey, frighteningly real. Welcome everyone to Thrilling Threads today. We

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are not just you know, telling spooky stories around a campfire.

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We are pulling at some very real, very loose threads

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of reality. We got a stack of case files here,

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ten specific American mysteries from just the last decade that

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don't just lack answers. They seem to defy the very

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logic we use to make sense of the world.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's important to frame why we've picked

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these ten. When we say they defy explanation, we don't

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just mean they're creepy, though, they are certainly that we

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mean that these cases point to these genuine, quantifiable gaps

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in our understanding, gaps in forensic science, huge blind spots

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in our so called surveillance state. And well, by the

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time we get to the end of this potential gaps

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in our understanding of physics.

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Speaker 1: Itself, exactly, this isn't the greatest hits of the seventies.

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These are modern mysteries happening in a world with cameras

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and GPS everywhere. So we structured this as a journey.

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We're going to start very close to home, with domestic terrors.

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Speaker 3: Right inside the four walls of your house.

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Speaker 1: Then we're going to move out into the wider city infrastructure,

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looking at these impossible disappearances from hotels and nightclubs. From

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there we scale up. We're talking high stakes global conspiracies.

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Speaker 3: Governments, corporations that level, and then finally we're going into

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what some people call high strangeness, the files that suggest

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well that we might not be the only ones doing

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the watching.

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Speaker 1: It's a roadmap from the intimate to the infinite. So

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let's get into it. Let's open thread one, the sancty

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home and the unknown intruder, because really Is there anything

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more terrifying than the violation of the one place you're

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supposed to be safe.

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Speaker 3: It's the absolute bedrock of security, isn't it. If you

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will feel safe in your own home, you can't feel

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safe anywhere. The psychological damage of an unseen intruder, it's

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often so much worse than a physical confrontation because it

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just poisons your peace of mind forever.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us right to our first case, The Watcherhouse, Westfield,

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New Jersey. This all kicks off in June of twenty fourteen, and.

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Speaker 3: You have to understand Westfield. This isn't some rough neighborhood.

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It's an affluent, idyllic suburb. You know, perfect lawns, great schools,

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with the safest towns in America. It's the place you

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moved to to escape crime.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Maria and Derek brought us. Thought

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they were doing. They buy their dream home, six hundred

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and fifty seven Boulevard. They are over the moon, they've

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got three kids, they're starting renovations, living the American dream.

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And then three days after closing, three days the first

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letter shows up.

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Speaker 3: Before they've even moved to single box at.

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Speaker 1: Not a single box. And this isn't you know, junk

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mail or a welcome note from a neighbor. This is

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where that quote from the beginning comes in. The writer

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who signs off only as the watcher claims, this generational

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guardianship over the house.

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Speaker 3: My grandfather watched in the nineteen twenties, my father in

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the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 2: Is now my time.

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Speaker 3: See that's the detail that elevates this from just a

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creepy crank to genuine psychological warfare. It implies this legacy,

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this entitlement, I have been in charge. It basically says,

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you might have the deed, mister Broadus, but this house

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belongs to my family history. It's an incredible power play.

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Speaker 1: And it gets predatory so fast. The letter asks, and

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I'm quoting again, do you need to fill the house

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with the young blood?

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Speaker 3: I requested young blood? I mean, what a phrase. It's

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so ghoulish, so vampiric. It turns their children into a

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commodity for the house. It's completely dehumanizing.

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Speaker 1: And then it gets even more specific. The watcher writes,

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you have children. I have seen them so far. I

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think there are three that I have counted counted.

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Speaker 3: That word choice is so chillingly clinical. It's not I

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saw your kids playing, it's I have counted them. It's

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the language of a scientist studying lab rats or a

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predator taking inventory. It confirms active close surveillance.

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Speaker 1: He was watching them in the yard. And then comes

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the direct threat. Once I know their names, I will

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call them and draw them to me.

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Speaker 3: And that's it. That's the kill shot. You can't live

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there after that, Yeah, just can't.

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Speaker 2: No parent on earth would.

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Speaker 1: How could you let your kids play outside?

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Speaker 2: How could you sleep at night?

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Speaker 3: Let's just pause and analyze the intent here. This is

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a masterclass in terror. The writer never breaks a window,

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never even sets foot on the property, but they make

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the house completely uninhabitable. The goal was clearly displacement. They

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wanted the family gone. They wanted to reclaim the house

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without any physical confrontation, and it worked.

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Speaker 1: The broadest family was terrified. They never moved in. They

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tried to sue the previous owners, the Woods family, right.

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Speaker 3: And that's the first major investigative twist. The Woods had

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lived there for twenty three years, twenty three years of

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apparently total peace.

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Speaker 1: And quiet until the very end. They admitted that just

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days before they moved out, they got one strange letter,

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but they just brushed it off as a prank.

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Speaker 3: So something about the sale, about the transfer of ownership

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was the trigger. The watcher was either dormant or didn't

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care about the Woods family, but the Broadest family, with

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their young blood set them off.

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Speaker 2: So what are the theories here? I mean, who does this?

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Speaker 3: Well? The most logical theory is a neighbor, someone who

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felt they had a claim to the house. Maybe someone

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who lost a bidding war and was trying to scare

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the new owners out to drive the price down. Or

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perhaps someone who just hated the idea of a family

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with young kids and construction noise moving in.

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Speaker 1: The police looked into all that, right, They ran DNA

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on the envelope, but it didn't match anyone in the system.

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They investigated the neighbors. One family was a bit eccentric,

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but there was no proof.

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Speaker 3: They even for a while considered the possibility that the

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Broadest family faked the letters themselves to get out of

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a house purchase. They regretted, but.

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Speaker 1: That makes zero sense. They lost a fortune on the sale,

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they went through years of hell.

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Speaker 3: That theory is just cruel, it is it's classic victim

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blaming In the end, they sold the house at a

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huge financial loss and the identity of the watcher remains

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a complete mystery. It's a total failure of modern investigation.

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This person used the oldest tech we have, the postal

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service and became a ghost.

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying think that voice is still out there, maybe

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watching the new family.

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Speaker 2: Which.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of unseen threats, let's move to our next case.

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This one is the complete opposite. We don't have a voice,

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we have a crystal clear image of the killer, and

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we still know nothing. Case two, the murder of Missy Bevers.

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Speaker 3: This case just haunts you. The Watcher is all about

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the unseen terror. In words, Missy Beverers is about the

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uncanny visual horror of seeing a killer on camera and

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being no closer to knowing who they are.

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Speaker 1: The facts are just gut wrenching. It's April eighteenth, twenty sixteen,

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in Lothian, Texas. It's pre dawn, still dark out. Missy Bevers,

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forty five, your old fitness instructor, is heading into the

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Creek Side Church of Christ. She's there to set up

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for her early morning workout class.

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Speaker 3: Totally normal routine morning a church, a fitness class. These

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are safe spaces, you're not on high alert.

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Speaker 1: But the church's internal motion activated cameras had already picked

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someone up, a figure wandering the empty hallways, and the

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way they're dressed is just bizarre.

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Speaker 3: They're in full police tactical gear, like a swat team uniform,

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heavy vest, helmet, with a faciel, gloves, the whole nine yards.

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But if you look closely, the fit is off. It's baggy,

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a little clumsy. It almost looks like a costume.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. It's like they're playing dress up.

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And the behavior is what creates this deep sense of unease.

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This what do they call it the uncanny Valley?

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Speaker 3: Exactly. You see the uniform of authority, of order, but

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the actions are pure chaos. The figure is walking with

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this really strained git, kind of a duck walk, with

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their feet pointed out. Yeah, and they're just roaming, prying

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open doors, smashing windows with a hammer.

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Speaker 1: Oh apparent reason right, And that's the central mystery of

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the behavior. If you're there to rob the place, you'd

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be quiet, you'd be efficient, you wouldn't smash glass and

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make a ton of noise before you've even taken anything.

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Speaker 3: And if you're there to assassinate someone, which the end

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result suggests this was you would hide, you would wait

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an ambush, You wouldn't wander the halls like a lost tourist.

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very hard to look like a burglar.

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Speaker 2: But they didn't steal a thing.

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Speaker 3: Nothing of value was taken, which suggests then lism was

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a performance. It was a disguise for the real purpose.

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The goal was to make this look like a random

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robbery that went horribly wrong when Missy stumbled upon it.

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Speaker 1: But when she did walk in, the violence was immediate,

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it was personal. She was found minutes later with multiple

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puncture wounds to her head and chest.

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Speaker 3: And because of that tactical gear, investigators are completely in

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the dark. The helmet hides the face, the baggy suit

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hides the body type. They can't definitively determine the killer's height, weight, race.

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They can't even be one hundred percent sure of the gender.

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Speaker 2: Even with that distinctive walk.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's been analyzed to death. Is it a natural limp,

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it a woman trying to imitate a masculine walk or

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a man with a particular injury. The gear is the

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perfect camouflage. It projects power while completely erasing identity.

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Speaker 1: And here's the detail that makes me think this was

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anything but random. The exterior security cameras at the church.

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Speaker 2: They were mysteriously not.

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Speaker 3: Working that morning, which is just too convenient, isn't it

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The points to premeditation. It implies the killer knew the

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layout of the church, knew the security system's blind spots,

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and knew how to disable or avoid the external cameras.

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Speaker 1: Thousands of tips poured in, there's one hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars reward, But that figure in the swat gear

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just walked into a church, committed murder on camera, and

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walked out, vanishing completely.

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Speaker 3: It just underscores is incredibly frustrating modern paradox. We have

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more video evidence than ever before in history, but Missy

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Beerver's killer proves you can be perfectly captured on high

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definition video and still be a total ghost. Seeing is

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not the same as solving.

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Speaker 1: That is a deeply unsettling thought, it really is, and

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it's a perfect transition to our next thread. We're moving

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from intruders in the home to people who seem to

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be swallowed whole by the very infrastructure of our cities.

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Speaker 3: This is s thread too, vanishing into the infrastructure. These

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are the cases where the environment itself, a hotel, a freezer,

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seems to become an active participant in the tragedy.

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Speaker 1: And we have to start with a case that basically

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broke the internet.

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Speaker 2: Case three, Alisa Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is probably the most famous and most debated

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Internet age mystery, and for good reason. It's this tragic

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death combined with that piece of video evidence that is

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just impossible to look away from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So January twenty thirteen, Alisa Lamb. She's a twenty

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one year old Canadian student traveling alone. She checks into

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the Cecil hotel in downtown Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: And we have to mention the Cecil itself. It has

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a notoriously dark history. It's where serial killers like Richard

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unsolved deaths. In the public imagination, it's already a bad place.

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Speaker 1: Alisa goes missing on February first. A huge search is launched,

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but she's not found for nearly three weeks until February nineteenth,

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and the way she was found is it's pure horror.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't the police we found her. It was the

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hotel guests. They started complaining.

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Speaker 2: They said the water pressure in their rooms was really low.

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Speaker 1: They said the water was coming out black, and that

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it had a strange, sweet, disgusting caste.

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Speaker 3: Just sit with that from him. People were drinking that water,

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brushing their teeth with it, yes, showering in it for days.

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The retroactive horror of that realization, it's sickening.

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Speaker 1: So a maintenance worker goes up to the roof to

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check the four large water cisterns that supply the hotel.

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He opens the lid on one of them, and he

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finds Alisa Lamb's body. She was floating naked inside the tank.

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Speaker 3: The official coroner's ruling was accidental drowning, with her bipolar

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disorder listed as a significant contributing factor. But this is

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where the accident theory just collides with basic physics for

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a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the tank itself. The lid on that

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thing wasn't like the top of a cookie jar. It

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was a heavy metal disk. It weighed about twenty pounds.

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Speaker 3: And it was on top of a ten foot tall tank,

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so to get in, a person would have to get

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onto the roof, which required bypassing a locked and alarm door,

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though the alarm might have been faulty, then climb a

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ladder up the side of the tank, then somehow lift

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that twenty pound lid off by themselves.

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Speaker 1: And then get inside. But here's the impossible part. The

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maintenance worker found the lid.

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Speaker 3: Close exactly if you're inside that tank treading water in

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the dark, the water level is several feet below the rim.

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How do you possibly reach up, grab that heavy lid

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from the outside and pull it perfectly shut over your

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own head. It just doesn't seem physically possible.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it would require another person, which leads

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us to the elevator video, the last known footage of

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her alive.

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Speaker 3: That footage is one of the most unsettling things I've

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ever seen.

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Speaker 1: She gets in the elevator, she presses a whole column

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of buttons, but the doors don't close. She peeks out

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into the hallway like she's hiding from someone, then jumps

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back in. Then she steps out and starts making these

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strange fluid movements with her hands, almost like she's talking

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to someone or something that we can't see on the camera.

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Speaker 3: Her behavior is erratic and clearly distressed. The initial theory

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online was, of course, drugs, that she was hallucinating on something.

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Speaker 1: But the toxicology report from the autopsy came back clean.

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No alcohol, no illegal drugs, only her prescribed medication for

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her bipolar disorder. But at therapeutic levels she wasn't high.

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Speaker 3: So you have a sober but possibly manic, young woman

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seemingly hiding from an invisible person in a hallway, who

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then somehow manages to get onto a locked roof, climb

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a ten foot tank, and seal herself inside under a

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heavy lid. The accident ruling just leaves so many gaping holes.

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Speaker 2: It leaves you with these two awful possibilities.

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Speaker 1: Right, Either she had a psychotic episode so profound that

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it gave her the strength and agility to perform this

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near impossible feat, or she wasn't alone up.

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Speaker 3: There, And if she wasn't alone, who closed the lid?

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That transforms it from a tragedy into a murder. And

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it makes that water situation not just grows, but a

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deliberate Desecrationugh, The.

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Speaker 1: Idea of the lid being closed on her. Is just

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the darkest thing. It's so similar in a way to

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our next case. Another young woman, another hotel, another place

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she should not have been able to get into. Case four,

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Kanika Jenkins.

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Speaker 3: Yes, another incredibly tragic case that hinges on a failure

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of infrastructure. Ye, frankly a failure of community.

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Speaker 1: This one is from Chicago, September twenty seventeen. Kanika Jenkins

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was only nineteen years old. She goes to a party

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in a room at the Crown Plaza hotel near O'Hare Airport.

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She's seen on social media videos with friends having good time,

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and then she disappears.

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Speaker 3: Her family is frantic, They call it friends. They go

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to the hotel immediately, begging the staff to check the

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security footage. Yeah, but there's this bureaucratic delay. It takes

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almost a full day before she's finally feed.

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Speaker 1: And the location is again just baffling. She was found

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in a walk in freezer, but not in the main

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active hotel kitchen. She was in a freezer in a

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completely separate, unused kitchen that was under construction.

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Speaker 3: The official ruling was again an accident hypothermia with alcohol

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and a prescription drug for migraines being contributing factors. The

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police theory is that she was intoxicated, she wandered away

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from her friends, got lost in these deserted hallways, and

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stumbled into the freezer with a door latched behind her.

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Speaker 1: But the questions they just pile up. How does a

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guest gain access to a restricted, off limits construction area

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of a hotel? There should have been locked doors signs something, And.

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Speaker 3: The biggest question for me, why was a walk in

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freezer in an abandoned, non operational kitchen even running? And

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why was it unlocked? That is a colossal safety hazard.

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Those things are supposed to be padlocked or powered down

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specifically to prevent this kind of tragedy. It's a massive

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failure on the hotel's part.

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Speaker 1: There's surveillance footage of hert just before she disappears. She's

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clearly disoriented, stumbling, bumping into walls, but she walks right

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past other people in the hotel and nobody stops to

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help her.

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Speaker 3: It's a heartbreaking example of the bystander effect. People probably

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saw a young woman who looked drunk and just thought,

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not my problem. But the most painful part of this

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mystery for many is the role of her friends.

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Speaker 1: Why did they leave her? They said they couldn't find

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her and left, but her mother was calling them frantic.

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Why didn't they stay and insist on a search.

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Speaker 3: That abandonment is what fuels so many of the alternative

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theories online. Was there foul play, was she deliberately led

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to that freezer? Or was it simply a tragic case

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of teenage negligence. We don't know, but it's a story

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about how you can be surrounded by people and still

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be completely alone and vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Another person who vanish after being surrounded by people. That

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takes us to our next case. This one is about

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what can happen when you do the right thing. Case

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five Mike McClelland.

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Speaker 3: This story just gives me chills because of how fast

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it turns from a normal night out to a life

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or death situation in like minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's April twentieth, twenty nineteen, in Manchester, New Hampshire. Mike

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is at a place called the Tropical Lounge nightclub.

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Speaker 2: It's late.

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Speaker 1: A fight breaks out between two women. He knows one

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of them, so he does what you'd hope a good

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person would do. He steps in to break it up.

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Speaker 3: He's the good samaritan. He intervenes to de escalate the situation.

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Speaker 1: The police show up to break up the larger crowd

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that is formed. In all the chaos, Mike's friends loose

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sight of him. It's around two point zero am. A

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short time later, Mike makes a phone call. It's not

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to nine to one one. It's not to his friends.

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Speaker 3: It's to his boss, which is such a strange specific choice.

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You call your boss at two in the morning only

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if you're in very, very serious trouble.

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Speaker 2: And his words on that call are just terrifying. He

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says they're after me, more than one after me.

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Speaker 1: His boss, obviously alarmed, tries to call him right back.

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Speaker 2: No answer.

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Speaker 1: The police are able to get a final ping from

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his cell phone at a nearby McDonald's, and.

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Speaker 2: Then nothing, total silence. Mike McClellan has never been seen

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or heard from again.

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Speaker 3: His credit cards were never used. Yeah, his bank accounts

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were never touched. He just evaporated.

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Speaker 1: That phrase more than one implies it was a group.

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It suggests that his act of breaking up that fight

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wasn't the end of it. It made him a target.

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Somebody was angry that he interfered and.

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Speaker 3: They were organized enough and ruthless enough to make him

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disappear off a city street without a single witness coming forward.

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No body, no evidence, just a final desperate phone call.

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It shows how quickly a good deed can put you

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in the crosshairs.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely horrifying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've explored the terror that can invade our

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homes and the ways people can vanish inside our cities.

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Now we need to zoom out because sometimes the mystery

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is bigger than one person or one building. It involves

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governments and weapons we can't see.

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Speaker 3: We're moving into thread three, high stakes and global conspiracies.

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The scale is about to get.

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Speaker 1: A lot bigger, and we have to start with Case six,

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Havana syndrome.

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Speaker 3: This one reads like a worse By novel, but the

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medical evidence is undeniable. This isn't just a story, It's

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a documented medical phenomenon affecting dozens of government officials.

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Speaker 1: It all begins in late twenty sixteen in Havana, Cuba.

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A CIA officer working undercover at the US embassy goes

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to the embassy doctor. He is reporting intense nausea, dizziness,

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terrible headaches, and hearing a strange noise.

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Speaker 3: The symptoms of a severe concussion, but with no impact,

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no fall, no accident, and then within weeks it starts spreading.

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Other CIA agents, diplomats, and their family members start reporting

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the exact same cluster of symptoms.

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Speaker 1: By twenty eighteen, the number grows to twenty six Americans

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and fourteen Canadians, and the symptoms get worse for some

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permanent hearing loss, traumatic brain injuries, memory.

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Speaker 3: Problems, and the one common thread was this experience. They

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would be in their homes or hotel rooms and suddenly

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they'd hear this bizarre, localized sound. Some described it as

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a high pitched ringing, others as a grinding noise or

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a pulsing pressure. But it was directional. They could walk

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out of the beam of sound and it would stop.

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Speaker 1: This leads to the terrifying theory of a sonic weapon,

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or more likely, a directed energy weapon using pulsed microwaves.

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The theory is that this device can project a beam

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of microwave energy through walls that interacts with the fluid

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in your inner ear, causing nerve damage and the sensation

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of sound.

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Speaker 3: It's a weapon. You can't see, you can't hear unless

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you're the target, and it leaves no evidence behind except

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for a damaged brain. The diplomatic fallout was immediate. The

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US accused Cuba of either carrying out the attacks or

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allowing another country like Russia to do it on their soil.

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Speaker 1: But then in May of twenty eighteen, it went global.

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A US diplomat in Guangzhou, China was diagnosed with the

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same brain injury after reporting the same symptoms.

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Speaker 3: And that changed everything. If it's just in Cuba, you

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can blame a single rogue state, but Cuba and China

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that suggests a far more sophisticated actor is deploying this

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technology on a global scale.

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Speaker 1: The scariest part is its invisibility. How do you defend

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against an attack you can't even detect until your brain

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is already being cooked.

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Speaker 2: It's a ghost weapon.

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Speaker 3: It is, and while some government reports have tried to

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downplay it as mass psychogenic illness, the number of people

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with medically confirmed brain injuries makes that hard to swallow.

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It represents a new terrifying frontier in covert warfare.

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Speaker 1: From ghost weapons to ghost planes. There's no way we

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can talk about global mysteries without talking about Case seven.

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The disappearance of MH three seventy.

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Speaker 3: It's the defining aviation mystery of our time. The fact

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that in the twenty first century, a massive Boeing seven

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seventy seven with two hundred and thirty nine people on

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board can simply cease to exist. It's a profound failure

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of technology and a source of endless fascination and grief.

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Speaker 1: So March eight, twenty fourteen, Malaysia Airlines Flight three seventy

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takes off from Kuala Wumpur bound for Beijing. It's a

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routine red eye flight. Everything is normal for the first

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forty minutes. The pilot signs off with Malaysian Air Traffic

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Control with a calm good night, Malaysian three seven zero.

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Speaker 3: And that's the last normal communication. Moments later, as the

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plane was supposed to check in with Vietnam These air

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traffic control, its transponder went dark.

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Speaker 2: And let's be very clear about this.

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Speaker 1: The data shows it didn't just malfunction, it was manually

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switched off.

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Speaker 3: That is the critical point a system failure would likely

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send out air signals. This was a deliberate act. Someone

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in that cockpit wanted the plane to be invisible to

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civilian radar.

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Speaker 1: Immediately after the transponder goes off. Military radar shows the

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plane making a sharp, non scheduled turn back to the west,

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flying back over the Malaysian Peninsula. Then it turned south

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towards the vast empty expanse of the southern Indian Ocean, and.

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Speaker 3: It just kept flying. A satellite owned by a company

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called Inmarsat continued to receive these automated hourly pings from

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the plane. The last of these pings was received at

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eight eleven AM, more than seven hours after it vanished

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from radar.

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Speaker 1: Seven hours just flying on autopilot into nowhere. The horror

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of that is trying to imagine what was happening on

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the plane where the passengers aware.

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Speaker 3: The leading theory, particularly in the pilot's suicide scenario, is

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that whoever was in control deliberately depressurized the cabin that

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would have rendered the passengers and crew unconscious within minutes,

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leaving the pilot to fly the ghost plane until it

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ran out of fuel.

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Speaker 1: The search was the largest and most expensive in aviation history.

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Over one hundred and sixty million dollars spent searching millions

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of square miles of ocean, and the result almost nothing.

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Speaker 3: Over the years, pieces of debris have washed up on

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the shores of Africa and islands in the Indian Ocean,

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but out of twenty seven pieces found, only three have

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been confirmed of one hundred percent certainty to be from

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MH three to seventy a.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred foot long jetliner, two hundred and thirty nine souls,

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and all we have to show for is three pieces

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of wreckage. It's a stark reminder that for all our technology,

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the ocean is still a vast, deep wilderness that can

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swallow our biggest machines without a trace.

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Speaker 3: It's the silence that is so haunting. No distress call,

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no final message, just a switch being flipped in a long,

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silent flight into obluvion.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of going and of silence, that leads us to

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a much more recent case, Case eight, The Whistleblower.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this story is deeply troubling. It feels like something

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straight out of a John Grisham novel. It's all about

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corporate power and a timeline that is just incredibly suspicious.

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Speaker 1: John Burnett wasn't some disgruntled employee. He was a thirty

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year veteran of Boeing. He was a quality control manager.

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His entire professional life was dedicated to making sure their

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planes were safe.

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Speaker 3: And he started blowing the whistle loudly. He raised serious

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concerns about the production standards of this seven eighty seven Dreamliner.

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He claimed that under pressure workers were fitting substandard parts,

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that the emergency oxygen systems were faulty. He alleged that

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when he raised these issues, he was retaliated against and harassed.

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Speaker 1: He eventually retired and filed a whistleblo or lawsuit against

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the company. Fast forward to March of twenty twenty four.

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He's in Charleston, South Carolina for the legal depositions in

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that very lawsuit. He's actively testifying against Boeing.

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Speaker 3: He spends a full day giving his deposition. He scheduled

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to return the next morning to be cross examined by

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Boeing's lawyers.

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Speaker 1: He never shows up. His lawyers try to contact him. Eventually,

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he's found dead in his truck in the hotel parking lot.

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Speaker 3: The official cause of death was ruled to be a

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self inflicted gunshot wound suicide.

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Speaker 1: But the timing, I mean to die by suicide in

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the literal middle of the legal battle you've been fighting

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for years.

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Speaker 3: It's almost too perfect. Cinematically speaking, and his family and

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friends immediately raised red flags. They said he was in

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good spirits, looking forward to putting this chapter behind him.

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A close family friend said he had warned her if

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anything happens to me, it wasn't suicide.

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Speaker 1: The family's wrongful death suit against Boeing didn't necessarily claim

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he was murdered. Instead, they cited constructive discharge, arguing that

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the years of harassment and pressure from the corporation caused

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him such mental distress that it directly led to his.

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Speaker 3: Death, and in twenty twenty five, Boeing settled that lawsuit

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for a confidential amount, which means the case is closed.

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We'll probably never know for sure what happened in that

544
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hotel parking lot, or what bombshells he might have been

545
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about to drop in his testimony that final day. It's

546
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a very dark and murky story about the potential cost

547
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of speaking truth to immense power.

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Speaker 1: It really is, okay, from corporate power to well forces,

549
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it might be beyond human power entirely.

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Speaker 2: It's time to get weird.

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Speaker 3: We're heading into thread four out of this world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to go here because the last few

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years have produced some incidents and data points that are

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becoming harder and harder to just dismiss. Let's start with

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case nine, the Las Vegas Aliens.

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Speaker 3: This incident from April twenty twenty three is fascinating because

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it's not just a lone witness claim. There is official,

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corroborating evidence from law enforcement that makes it stand out.

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Speaker 1: It starts with the Las Vegas police officer's body camera.

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He's just on a normal patrol and his camera clearly

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captures this bright green object streaking across the night sky

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and appearing to land somewhere nearby.

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Speaker 3: So right away we have a baseline fact an unidentified

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object fell from the sky. This isn't just a story,

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a physical event occurred.

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Speaker 1: About forty minutes later, a nine to one one call

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comes in from a house in the area where the

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objects seem to have landed, and you can listen to

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the audio of this call. The caller is audibly terrified.

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He's out of breath, his voice is shaking. He tells

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the dispatcher there's like an eight foot person beside it,

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and another one is inside, and it has big eyes

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and it's looking at us, and.

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Speaker 3: He keeps repeating, they're one hundred percent not human.

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Speaker 1: He describes them as being eight to ten feet tall, skinny,

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with big mouths and huge, shiny eyes, and he says

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they're in his backyard and they're looking right at him.

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Speaker 3: An eight to ten foot tall creature is not an

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animal you can misidentify. That's not a coyote or a

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person in a costume. The scale of it is what

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makes the claim so shocking.

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Speaker 1: The police respond to the house, and normally you'd expect

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them to be dismissive, but because they had just seen

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that thing fall out of the sky themselves, they take

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it seriously. You can hear it on their body cams

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as they approach the house. One officer says to the other,

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I have butterflies, bro Another says, I'm so nervous right now.

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Speaker 3: That reaction, and from seasoned police officers, lends a huge

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amount of credibility to the situation. They were spooked because

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they believe something was there. They knew the call was

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connected to the object they had seen, but.

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Speaker 1: By the time they got into the backyard there was

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nothing there. The family stuck to their story, absolutely terrified.

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The police closed the case as unfounded, but the officers

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on the scene were clearly rattled.

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Speaker 3: It's the commendation of the visual from the body cam

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and the raw visceral fear in the nine to one

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one call that makes this one linger. It was a

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fleeting event, but for a few minutes on an April night,

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one family in Vegas was convinced we were not alone.

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Speaker 1: Well, if aliens in the backyard are one thing, what

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about under the water. This is our final case, case

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ten underwater USOS.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is familiar with the term UFO, but the new

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frontier in this field is the USO Unidentified Submersible objects.

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Speaker 1: And the number of reports has exploded recently. According to

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some data, since late twenty twenty two, there have been

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over nine thousand sightings reported primarily by military and commercial

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plots and Navy personnel.

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Speaker 3: Nine thousand. That's not a glitch or a few weather balloons.

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That is a statistical pattern. That is a significant number

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of unexplained observations.

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Speaker 1: And the locations are key. They're clustered within about ten

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miles of the US coastlines, especially off California and Florida.

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Speaker 3: Witnesses described seeing glowing orbs or objects beneath the waves

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moving its speeds that defy our understanding of hydrodynamics. But

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the truly mind bending part, the detail that has physicists

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scratching their heads is the transition.

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Speaker 2: This is what they call trans medium travel.

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Speaker 3: Right, think about it. Water is about eight hundred times

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denser than air. When a plane or a meteor hits

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the ocean at high speed, it's like hitting a wall

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of concrete. It creates a massive splash and usually disintegrates.

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Speaker 1: But these objects are observed flying at supersonic speeds in

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the air, entering the water with no splash and no deceleration,

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and continuing at high speed underwater, and vice versa. They

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are seen shooting out of the ocean into the sky

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without losing any momentum.

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Speaker 3: We do not possess any public technology they can do that.

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Our submarines are slow, our aircraft can't operate underwater. We

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don't have propulsion systems that work in both mediums, let

632
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alone materials that can withstand the stress of that transition.

633
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Speaker 1: So the big question is what are they Is this

634
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some top secret, black budget military program generations ahead of

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what we know.

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Speaker 3: That's one possibility, but the sheer number of sightings and

637
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the fact that they've been reported for decades makes some

638
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people think it's not our own secret tech. It suggests

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that something else might be using the one part of

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our planet. We barely explore the deep oceans as a

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base of operations, a hiding place.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredibly humbling thought. We've mapped almost every inch

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of dry land, but over eighty percent of our ocean

644
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is unmapped and unexplored.

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Speaker 3: We're living on the surface level. We have no idea

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what's really in the basement.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, let's just take a breath for a second.

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We have gone from a creaky letter in a quiet

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suburb to potential alien bases in the deep sea.

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Speaker 3: It's a heavy, heavy life list of unknowns.

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Speaker 1: We started with the watcher counting children in New Jersey.

652
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We walked the halls of a Texas church with a

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killer who looked like a cop. We stared into the

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black water of a Los Angeles hotel.

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Speaker 3: We followed a ghost plane into the Indian Ocean. We

656
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listened for the invisible weapons of Havana Syndrome. We saw

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whistleblowers silenced, and we stood in a backyard with ten

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foot tall creatures.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot to take in.

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Speaker 1: If you had to find one single thread that ties

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all of these ten mysteries together, what would it be

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for me?

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Speaker 3: The thread is vulnerability. We build all these systems to

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make ourselves feel safe. We have locks on our doors,

665
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cameras on our streets, GPS and our planes, laws and

666
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corporations to create order. But each of these ten stories

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shows us just how porous those systems are, how fragile

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that sense of security really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that no matter what we build, people can still vanish,

670
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planes can disappear, and things we don't understand can enter

671
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our homes or our atmosphere without asking for permission.

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Speaker 3: It's the humbling realization that for all our progress, the

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world is still a deeply mysterious place. The map still

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has huge blank spots on it.

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Speaker 1: And so we have to turn this question over to

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you listening. Right now, we've laid out ten loose threads

677
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from the last decade. Which one is going to keep

678
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:13,319
you up tonight?

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Speaker 3: Is it the intimate psychological horror of the watcher, the

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idea that your own home is being coveted? Or is

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it the vast impersonal horror of MH. Three seventy, of

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being erased by the sheer scale of the ocean?

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Speaker 1: Or do you go to the stranger stuff. What about

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those lights under the water. Is it a top secret

685
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Navy drone or are we sharing the planet with a

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neighbor we've never been properly introduced to. What's your stand

687
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on that Vegas sighting, a terrified family's overactive imagination or

688
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genuine close encounter.

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Speaker 3: These aren't just stories to scare you. They are real,

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open questions about the limits of our knowledge, and we

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want to hear your theories.

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Speaker 1: Leave a comment, tell us what you think. Which case

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gets under your skin the most. Let's keep pulling at

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these threads.

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Speaker 3: But maybe check your mailbox first, just in case.

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Speaker 2: Oh come on, don't do that to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Right at the end, you couldn't help myself.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to thrilling threads.

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Speaker 2: Peace,