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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to the buck Eye Weekly Podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Gerdaman here once again with Jack and let you Jock.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's the longest one I ever got. Feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a VIP today, Tony, how about you doing well?

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<v Speaker 1>Doing well here at the final days of the big

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<v Speaker 1>time media days?

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<v Speaker 2>And we've we we just uh, We've.

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<v Speaker 1>Done a legend Bay expectation show. Now I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do an Earl Little expectation show because there could be

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of good luck getting the numbers right on

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<v Speaker 1>what can air? Would a I just spoiled there? What

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Little is going to do this year for the

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<v Speaker 1>buck Eys. We know he's going to be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the wires State's three safeties. Where's he going to be?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he's going to be here, Sometimes he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there. We're considering him the Nickel. He'll be part

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<v Speaker 1>of replacing Caleb Downs, as Daleen McLean will be, as

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Moore will be, even maybe as Leroy Roker will

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<v Speaker 1>be and Jermaine Matthews frankly as well in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nickel situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But Earl Little began his career.

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<v Speaker 1>At Alabama, played some Nickel there, went to Florida State

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years, played some nickel and played

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<v Speaker 1>some safety. Was their defensive MVP last year as he

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<v Speaker 1>was second team All acc I believe a proven guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there have been some critics about his ability

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<v Speaker 1>to cover, which is kind of a concern if you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing in the slot against some of these quicker guys.

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<v Speaker 1>When you saw Earl Little and in terms of signing

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<v Speaker 1>with Ohio State, Dredge Rigdwire State, what did you think?

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<v Speaker 3>I was immediately like, I hope this isn't the guy

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<v Speaker 3>at safety. Yeah, I hope that there's another guy coming

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<v Speaker 3>who's gonna be the guy at safety.

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<v Speaker 2>And boy, that was wrong. That was the wrong opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very happy with Terry Moore when that came,

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<v Speaker 3>but Earl was first and I was waiting on, okay, this,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope this isn't the guy. If this is the

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<v Speaker 3>guy at nickel, right, I'm okay with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously as things have gone on, things have changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's I wish we would have gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>see more in the spring, but things are so basic.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Earl Little was injured towards the end that one.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not going to show you everything he's doing right,

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<v Speaker 1>because I saw Jayalen McLain at nickel more than I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Earl Little from what.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching at times. And of course when Earl Little.

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<v Speaker 1>Is out, then then Jermaine Matthews is your nickel and

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<v Speaker 1>everything gets flipped up and Dominic Kelly is a corner.

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<v Speaker 1>All things being equal and healthy and standard, there will

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<v Speaker 1>be some movement. Mattatrician is gonna move guys around. As

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<v Speaker 1>Jayalen McClain said on Wednesday, part of the strength is

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing necessarily where.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you remember the way Jeremiah Smith talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Little in the spring where he was like he

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<v Speaker 1>started and then he's like, you know what, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say too much, but you could just

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<v Speaker 1>see Ryan Dane likes to talking about the look in

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes and look in Jeremiah's eyes about Earl Little.

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<v Speaker 2>I think speaks volumes, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, as we are, you know, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 3>three years into kind of seriously into the transfer game, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we've had different situations. Pau, Okay, this is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we thought it was like this and it goes like this.

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<v Speaker 3>We thought it was like this, and it goes like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we've had one like this where

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<v Speaker 3>from the time the guys signed to Spring, the feel

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<v Speaker 3>about it was so different because once that started coming up,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremiah started saying things like that, it was like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 3>we we.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a real dog dog for real.

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<v Speaker 3>We all should have known from his accolades from his dad. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>his dad was Cleveland Brown, big Browns fans over here

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<v Speaker 3>at Buckeye Insiders, aren't we retelling?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, the dude is super serious.

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<v Speaker 3>When I originally saw we got two transfers, he went

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<v Speaker 3>to Florida State, and I'm just like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>so much about this, but he is a crazy serious guy,

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<v Speaker 3>all about his business. He entered the draft, or he

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<v Speaker 3>was going to enter the draft, you know, didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>the results, so we decided to enter the portal. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is a guy who's coming to finishing school. So

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<v Speaker 3>what I always talk about with these with these smart,

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<v Speaker 3>serious guys in the portal, they want to come to

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio State finishing school before they go to the NFL,

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<v Speaker 3>and they take it very, very seriously. This is their

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<v Speaker 3>shot at the rest of their career. And uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>he's one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's serious. They're serious about him. The physical

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<v Speaker 1>the physicality that they everybody talks about him, and he

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<v Speaker 1>likes me.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not the biggest guy. He's like six foot two hundred, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and he's a banger, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's he's got he's got the experience playing Nickel

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<v Speaker 1>and covering those guys the way that Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>Patricia is going to use him.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has been my theory before Jeremiah Smith started

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<v Speaker 1>talking about stuff. But for me, Keiante Scott is the

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<v Speaker 1>ideal way that if you're going to put a safety

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<v Speaker 1>type at Nicol, you want somebody like Keantay Scott from Miami,

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<v Speaker 1>who put up a bunch of numbers, was in the

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<v Speaker 1>backfield a lot, as opposed to Denzil or Lorenzo Styles

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<v Speaker 1>last year, who's a corner type of Nickel and they've had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jordan Hancock kind of is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of both a more corner than safety at Nickel. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a safety at Nickel, and they've got three safeties

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<v Speaker 1>now and which I think is a concern in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of coverage, but they're gonna be doing different zone kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things. And that's why I kind of think you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see her a little more involved, more involved in the backfield,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly more involved in the backfield than past Nichols at

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State, because I think they need to create some disruption.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's one way they can do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, and I think that he is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be excellent at it. I didn't see a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that in his film. But you know, they they

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<v Speaker 3>said at Florida State, like they're beat guys and such,

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<v Speaker 3>that he wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 2>When they moved him to Nickel. They liked him better

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<v Speaker 2>at strong Safety.

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<v Speaker 3>This will be a different situation than that with him,

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<v Speaker 3>And I wish we would switch to calling this the Star.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think, you know they call it the Star

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<v Speaker 3>at the Woody, we should just call it the Star

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<v Speaker 3>this year officially, now that it's kind of a different

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<v Speaker 3>mall a role because Nicol just conjures up corner to

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<v Speaker 3>me and and he's just not that this is a

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<v Speaker 3>different type of dude in this role and this three

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<v Speaker 3>pack of safeties. I am somewhat concerned about coverage as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's got if you look at PFF, it's not

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<v Speaker 3>a great coverage. Great as I recall it, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>you know something that would But what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't grade coverage, Tony.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're just gonna have to wait and see when

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<v Speaker 3>we see And that obviously doesn't because the bad ones

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<v Speaker 3>they'll come up in the highlight film.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not so sure about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But what he's going to be able to bring if

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Patricia is confident about him there right, I feel

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<v Speaker 3>certainly good about it because they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>options in the portal and they chose him, and they

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<v Speaker 3>chose Terry Moore, and you know, I'm happy with with

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<v Speaker 3>that for sure, and I'm excited about Earl probably, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say, you know, of all the of all the

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<v Speaker 3>guys on defense, James Smith and Earl's probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two for me.

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<v Speaker 1>They're they're you're you're talking about the the way the

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on Earl. It'll change from the time he signed

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<v Speaker 1>tails like spring. It's like right around spring, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a spring football spring game. You're kind of already sizing

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<v Speaker 1>him up for the heisman. You know, the people were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about him. So those kinds of possibilities are intriguing

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of being disruptive and how they're gonna use him.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we did with Legend Bay, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do some over unders. Okay, Now the numbers I'm pulling here,

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<v Speaker 1>these are all Kiante Scott. Okay, and we'll start with

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four tackles now, which is about Caleb down said

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<v Speaker 1>last year and also came McDonald.

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<v Speaker 3>And we can say also that Kante Scott had a

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<v Speaker 3>similarly great defense, right, yeah, right, it's pretty similar to

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<v Speaker 3>that in that aspect. Sixty four tackles sounds like a

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like quite a nugget. But I am going to

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<v Speaker 3>go slightly over that because Canta did miss We missed

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<v Speaker 3>the season.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, yeah, he was a little bank dub. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>no he played fourteen but.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they played more than fourteen though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a little bank ub Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the real number that I meant, like the

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<v Speaker 1>these are the possibilities that fascinate me with what he

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<v Speaker 1>could do. Thirteen tackles for loss last year for Kanta Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have a lot of a higher state

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<v Speaker 1>defensive backs get into that realm you mentioned the star

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know what Jamale Haynes, Jamal Hines or

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Mueller back in the day when they were stars.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteen is a concerted effort to create chaos. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what Cantey Scott was last year, just wondering how much

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<v Speaker 1>of her A little. The thing is they have more

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<v Speaker 1>than just a little to do that, yes, And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Miami maybe didn't because he was he was

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<v Speaker 1>so good at what they didn't need anybody else to

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have to go under there, believe it when

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<v Speaker 2>I see it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you said, there are so many options where the

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<v Speaker 3>buck hyes can potentially come with that kind of heat

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm just not quite so certain on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna go under for that one. The first

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<v Speaker 2>under of the day, Well, how about this one? Five sacks? Now, again,

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<v Speaker 2>this is how often are you gonna let him blitz?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they need him to blitz when you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>five man front and you maybe used to have a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker there or is it? Does that make it easier

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<v Speaker 1>for them? So five sacks chuck over under?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Tell me, now, I think that this is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna go with another under here tone, And I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't feel like we're gonna see enough enough opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>for him from Matt Patricia to uh to get those

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<v Speaker 3>sacks on those blitzes.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're under Is it four and a half? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it one and a half? I'm thinking more of like

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<v Speaker 2>a three? Okay, yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then two interceptions. We know people probably remember one

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<v Speaker 1>of those from Kante Scott last year against Julian saying

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm going over here, Okay, he had like four

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<v Speaker 3>last year, didn't he, Cante Scott? Or a little yeah

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<v Speaker 3>or a little yeah pall Hawk yeah, and uh, you

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<v Speaker 3>like when you watch him, he really is a risky guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He missed his tackles, he goes for big hit, He'll

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<v Speaker 3>the most disciplined guy, but we love him because of

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<v Speaker 3>how he plays. Maybe the Buckeyes will coach a little

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<v Speaker 2>And he's a little bit like that, and I love

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember watching Miami last year in preparation for

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<v Speaker 1>He was just great and everything else. There were ways

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<v Speaker 1>And as long as he doesn't leave the line of scrimmage,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think the possibilities are there.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like this is just too easy of a

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<v Speaker 2>Who were you gonna use as a comp Terry Moore

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jordan Foller type because I view him as

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Have some interceptions because he had four interceptions yep in

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<v Speaker 2>As the ball out to me, I see him like

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen McLean and Earl Little creating the chaos, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>back there just cleaning an everything up like Jayalen McClain

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<v Speaker 1>I've got everything else, you know, and he's got ranged

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<v Speaker 1>presuming you're assuming he's recovered. And I think the rush

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<v Speaker 1>took a little bit of time in the spring, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was with the Ones the second half of spring.

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<v Speaker 2>That free safety that he was.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wonder how often he's going to move up

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, play some of that inside stuff or

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<v Speaker 1>in the closure to the line of scrimmage. But Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Day said on Wednesday, talking about Jalen McLain's communication, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like him and Earl, you know, they've gotta they've gotta

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<v Speaker 1>communicate everything. So it feels like Terry Moore is just

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<v Speaker 2>Just wait, we're talking. See.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, this, to me was my number one transfer

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<v Speaker 3>when the class was originally signed was Terry Mooer. And

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of spring as we head into preseason, to me,

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<v Speaker 3>he is the biggest mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel the same way He is a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't really see much from him because again

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Roy Roker was with the Ones the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you saw more from Turm, but you didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>anything right. There was when when Mallie Cooker was a

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<v Speaker 1>Red Cherd freshman, he was he was intercepting passes uh

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<v Speaker 1>in practice, when Josh Proctor was intercepting past now it

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<v Speaker 2>The field and show anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you haven't really heard any any of that,

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<v Speaker 1>none of them. Matt Greary loves him, recruited him at Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted him to safety. Once Matt Greary left, they

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<v Speaker 1>a half before moving him back to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know Greary's thrilled to have him.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if he's opening the fall camp with the

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<v Speaker 1>kudos to Leroy Roker. But I think that creates more

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, but but yeah, he's the one that we've

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<v Speaker 3>heard the least about obviously, the guy that we've seen

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've not seen him yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But if he gets that spot, then you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just he's smart, he's athletic, he's productive, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they're looking for, and that's that's what the portal

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<v Speaker 1>is for. That's what people are winning with, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see how it goes for Isolate, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>show for another time. Yeah, this was Earl little Go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and throw your thoughts in there. What are your

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<v Speaker 1>expectations for him? We'll check those out on YouTube you

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all for tuning in and we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you all later.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish it never.

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<v Speaker 3>Meant nothing to me?

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<v Speaker 2>Were if you could tell

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<v Speaker 3>Me that's the bot's all right, we could steal currently

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<v Speaker 3>tonight