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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. So we're continuing off of
Speaker 3: Maxwell's Medical Monopoly Part one. Will be continuing off of that,
Speaker 3: hopefully should be dropping this early. It won't be a
Speaker 3: regular episode. And I think where we had left off
Speaker 3: last is that I was going to be going into
Speaker 3: some of the interesting stuff when you saw looking up
Speaker 3: these companies with like business wise and start looking at
Speaker 3: them on Bizipedia. I think I had even mentioned in
Speaker 3: the last episode to start seeing some of some interesting
Speaker 3: names that I had seen looking at plenty of other
Speaker 3: weird companies in the past. I guess to get into it,
Speaker 3: I'll bring up the first one, which will be a Springer.
Speaker 3: I know we kind of talked about it lightly in
Speaker 3: the last episode. I know Lisa had brought it up,
Speaker 3: and I will go into them more. But Lisa, if
Speaker 3: you want, if you don't mind, do you want to
Speaker 3: just kind of like reiterate maybe what you mentioned the
Speaker 3: last episode, and then I'll go into the sluds.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, just kind of like a bridge between two.
Speaker 1: So remember last in the last episode, we talked about
Speaker 1: how some of the British scientists like Fleming and Darwin's
Speaker 1: grandson were talking. You know, basically they had all this
Speaker 1: world renowned research coming out, yet they weren't able to
Speaker 1: publish it because the publishing industry in Britain was lacking,
Speaker 1: and so in order for the government to rectify this situation,
Speaker 1: they called in another publishing company called Springer out of
Speaker 1: Germany who was doing very well in the publishing industry,
Speaker 1: and the person at the helm of Springer was Robert Maxwell.
Speaker 1: He basically was bringing in a lot of the journals
Speaker 1: into Britain from Germany, and he was stationed in Berlin
Speaker 1: at the time because he was working with intelligence prior
Speaker 1: to they had him there stationed. I believe he had
Speaker 1: been doing integragations for the intelligence as well. And then
Speaker 1: as he was working at Springer, the other company that
Speaker 1: was wanting to merge with, which was Butterworths, was also
Speaker 1: owned by intelligence people, so they knew him from, you know,
Speaker 1: working intelligence prior to and then the merger took place,
Speaker 1: and so that's how Springer comes onto the stage and
Speaker 1: basically Springer teaches Butterworths, you know, how to get all
Speaker 1: of these journals up and going, how to publish the
Speaker 1: scientific data and get it up to speed the way
Speaker 1: that Germany was doing it at the time.
Speaker 3: Thank you for that, I appreciate mm hm not bad
Speaker 3: for the All right, So we'll get into some of
Speaker 3: the stuff that I had on this, and here we
Speaker 3: have Springer Verlag. I was founded May tenth, eighteen forty two.
Speaker 3: It was Julius Springer. Country of origin Germany. The headquarters
Speaker 3: location was Berlin and Heidelberg, Germany. Their non fiction topics
Speaker 3: was science, technology, medicine, business, transport and architecture. Springer Science
Speaker 3: and business media, commonly known as Springer, is a German
Speaker 3: multinational publishing company of books ebooks in peer revered reviewed
Speaker 3: journals in science, humanities, technical and medical publishing again. It
Speaker 3: was originally founded in eighteen forty two in Berlin. It
Speaker 3: expanded internationally in the nineteen sixties and through mergers in
Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties and a sale to venture capitalists. It
Speaker 3: fused with Walter's Clure with somebody that we have mentioned
Speaker 3: when we covered the Moose Lodge, and I will get
Speaker 3: to them with the slides. And I think I even
Speaker 3: had if I remember correctly, I do think I even
Speaker 3: had Janet from de Plorable Nation even at some point
Speaker 3: I think we added a snippet. She has even like
Speaker 3: come across this company in the medical field in the
Speaker 3: past at work, and I think she said that like
Speaker 3: they used some sort of like messaging thing or there
Speaker 3: was some sort of platform that they used that I
Speaker 3: think would like let you even go of like communicate
Speaker 3: from hospital hospital and you can look at stuff. And
Speaker 3: it was like it was a program from Walter's Clure.
Speaker 3: So I even found that very interesting. Yeah, that is yeah.
Speaker 3: But to get back to this, it eventually became part
Speaker 3: of Springer Nature in twenty fifteen. Springer has major offices
Speaker 3: in Berlin, Heidelberg, some other place I can't say, I
Speaker 3: have no idea, and New York City. The other one
Speaker 3: was like Dort Dort Dretch, something like that. Julius Springer
Speaker 3: founded Springer Verlac and Berlin in eighteen forty two, and
Speaker 3: his son Ferdinand Springer grew it from a small firm
Speaker 3: with for employees into Germany's then second largest academic publisher
Speaker 3: with sixty five staff in eighteen seventy two. In nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty four, x Springer expanded its business internationally, opening an
Speaker 3: office in New York City, then eventually Tokyo, Paris, Milan,
Speaker 3: Hong Kong and Delhi soon followed. In nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 3: the academic publishing company Artelsmann Springer was formed, and after
Speaker 3: the media and entertainment company Bartelsman bought a majority stake
Speaker 3: in Springer Verlac in two thousand and three, the British
Speaker 3: investment groups Sinnvin and Candover bought Bartlesman Springer from Bartlesman.
Speaker 3: He emerged the company in two thousand and four with
Speaker 3: the Dutch publisher Clure Academic Publishers which they bought from
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two to form Springer Science and
Speaker 3: Business Media. That just all like sounds very weird to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it just sounds like a circle of like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're kind of evading things or change it
Speaker 1: or it's all the same name, but it's all the same,
Speaker 1: it's all different, so almost to avoid something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it sounds to me.
Speaker 3: The Bertlesman s and the Company, commonly known as Bertlesman,
Speaker 3: is a German private, multi national conglomerate corporation based in
Speaker 3: god these words, Girderslaw, North Rhine Westphalia, Germany. It is
Speaker 3: one of the world's largest media conglomerates, and it is
Speaker 3: also active in the service sector and education. Bartlesman was
Speaker 3: founded as a publishing house by CARLS. Bottoman in eighteen
Speaker 3: thirty five. After World War II, Bottlesman, under the leadership
Speaker 3: of Reinhard Mohn, went from being a medium sized enterprise
Speaker 3: to a major conglomerate offering books but also television, radio, music,
Speaker 3: magazine and services. Its principal divisions include the RTL Group, Penguin,
Speaker 3: Random House, BMG, Arvado, the Bartlesmann Printing Group, the Bartlesman
Speaker 3: Education Group and Bartlesman Investments. Bartlesman is an unlisted and
Speaker 3: capital market oriented company which remains primarily controlled by the
Speaker 3: Mohn family. In Nazi Germany, the publishing house gained a
Speaker 3: prom position with its affordable Bottlesmen Vokes whatever People's edition.
Speaker 3: Heinrich belonged to the patron circle of the SS and
Speaker 3: sought to turn his company into a national Socialist model enterprise.
Speaker 3: During World War Two, the Sea Bottlesman Verlog became a
Speaker 3: leading supplier to the Wrmacht, the central publishing house of
Speaker 3: the Nazi Party. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, in the years
Speaker 3: between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty one, the revenues
Speaker 3: of the Sea Bottlesman Verlog skyrock. Jeez, I wonder how.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like the Germans had their shit together
Speaker 1: with the publishing, with the science and then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we recruit a bunch of them. They had their
Speaker 1: stuff together. It seemed like, oh, yeah, I mean more
Speaker 1: so than the Britain and the US. I will say
Speaker 1: that for sure. Britain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I think, like sometimes it's just like
Speaker 3: there a lot of a lot of I think, a
Speaker 3: lot of places kind of like run off of this stuff.
Speaker 3: It's hought to explain, but it's almost like it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, they just allowed to be doing these things,
Speaker 3: and it's like we come up with these stories about
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's have to explain when I want
Speaker 3: to get at but it just seems weird. In two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, Springer acquired who amount of press. Springer
Speaker 3: acquired the open access publisher BioMed Central and October two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight for an undisclosed them out. Two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine, Sinvin and Candover sold Springer to two private
Speaker 3: equity firms, EQT Partners and Government of Singapore Investment Corporation.
Speaker 3: Twenty eleven, Springer acquired Farmer marketing and publishing services from
Speaker 3: Walter's Klure. In twenty and thirteen, the London based private
Speaker 3: equity firm BC Partners acquired a majority stake in spring
Speaker 3: Are from EQT and CIG for four point four billion dollars.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of money, ye that I liked that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that four four yea. In January twenty fifteen, hold Spring
Speaker 3: Publishing Group, Nature Publishing Group and Springer Science and Business
Speaker 3: Media announced the merger. In May twenty fifteen, they concluded
Speaker 3: the transaction and formed a new joint venture company, Spring
Speaker 3: of Nature with hold Spring. So what I did want
Speaker 3: to show here is that I have up this again
Speaker 3: does go back to companies that I've come across multiple
Speaker 3: and multiple times with secret societies, publishing companies. I think
Speaker 3: Randall Nordica just like a lot of things that like
Speaker 3: when we started looking at like in the first year
Speaker 3: of the Occult Rejects, where we did like a lot
Speaker 3: of deep dive on secret societies or topics when we
Speaker 3: would look into the business aspect, these were common names
Speaker 3: that came up, and I can at least add to
Speaker 3: a little bit more of an understanding maybe what we're
Speaker 3: seeing here because of my own personal experience. Now you know,
Speaker 3: the Occult Rejects, it is an LLC no. So like
Speaker 3: I when I went to go get it, like I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, I actually had to understand what
Speaker 3: the hell is a registered agent? You know, I really
Speaker 3: wasn't actually too sure about that to begin with. If
Speaker 3: you're in a call look cup of the Occult Rejects,
Speaker 3: it's going to have a registered agent, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: zen business. That's because I actually don't feel like having
Speaker 3: my personal address actually on that. So you can use
Speaker 3: a registered agent for an AM to be anonymous. And
Speaker 3: they also not that I needed it for this reason.
Speaker 3: But like, depending on what type of company you have,
Speaker 3: the registered agent will also make sure you're incomplet wianes
Speaker 3: with that like field or whatever, or you know, whatever
Speaker 3: business you're running. You know, if you're being specific with them,
Speaker 3: they will make sure that they you know, this business
Speaker 3: is going to be in compliance. So like these registered agents,
Speaker 3: I mean in some sense or even a way just
Speaker 3: to you have no idea really who actually owns these
Speaker 3: these companies. Famous people could actually be owning some of
Speaker 3: these companies, but we'd have no idea. Because they're using
Speaker 3: a registered agent, they don't have to disclose themselves.
Speaker 1: Right, almost like a virtual address, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: It Yeah, and then and then if you think about that,
Speaker 3: more than likely these places are going to be in
Speaker 3: every single state because there's different LLCs for every state,
Speaker 3: you know, different laws like that you have to like
Speaker 3: in New York to get an LLC, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to actually advertise somewhere that this LLC is being formed.
Speaker 3: I like, I think in Texas you don't have to
Speaker 3: worry about that. So that's like a five hundred dollars
Speaker 3: chunk right there. It's almost half the LLC cost, honestly,
Speaker 3: is the publishing part. And then if you don't take
Speaker 3: a registered ation, it's even cheaper as shit, right, So
Speaker 3: uh like yeah, So, I mean I would assume that
Speaker 3: if they're offering to do this, they must be in
Speaker 3: every single state as well to be over to be
Speaker 3: able to offer that service, because you could be any
Speaker 3: of these states, anybody, you know, Oh sorry, we only
Speaker 3: do ten states out of the fifteen. No I'm sure
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no no, And they want to make it
Speaker 1: as easy and as convenient as possible so that they
Speaker 1: keep getting the business coming their way.
Speaker 3: So I when I actually it was like as a
Speaker 3: joke and I was like, no, I don't want to
Speaker 3: do it, because you know, some people would be like,
Speaker 3: oh no, what the fuck is up with that? I
Speaker 3: always even look thinking about, like, oh, I wonder how
Speaker 3: much you would be. Once I realized what a registered
Speaker 3: agent was, I was like, oh, that's that shit that
Speaker 3: I was always seeing CT CORP do. And I was
Speaker 3: like I wonder how much it would cost to go
Speaker 3: through them? And like I went to this site and
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't even do it, but like
Speaker 3: I actually had like the thought of it. I was
Speaker 3: just like, no, but like I'm sure, Like I don't
Speaker 3: know how expensive it would have been. Maybe it would
Speaker 3: have been more because you know the company, but I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they have the option, right, I don't know, sure, sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I just did want to drop
Speaker 3: that tidbit about like the whole registered agent thing though.
Speaker 3: But I do find it really interesting how you will
Speaker 3: see CT Corporation pop up for a lot of shady
Speaker 3: companies that we have looked into. And this other one
Speaker 3: too that you will see with spring of our Lag.
Speaker 3: You have corporation service company. That is another one that
Speaker 3: me and Lux had come up with a lot in
Speaker 3: the past. And I think one or two other ones
Speaker 3: that will get into is wells are going forward in
Speaker 3: the notes in my notes. But I mean I was
Speaker 3: seeing the usual suspects that I had seen before. Uh,
Speaker 3: and then say that again, so that's weird, No, h
Speaker 3: It definitely.
Speaker 1: Was that they're using the same not shady at all.
Speaker 3: This one's Springer Verlag registered agent. Corporation service company that
Speaker 3: I have up is Springer Nature. It was privately held.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm not even gonna try to read off
Speaker 3: those words. It's the headquarters is in London, the corporate
Speaker 3: place is in Berlin. There's a salesplace in New York City.
Speaker 3: They supposedly offer worldwide service. One of the key people
Speaker 3: is Frank rankin Peters CEO. Anybody who's heard that day before,
Speaker 3: I haven't. Revenue was two zero point one billion in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two owners fifty three percent is whol Spring
Speaker 3: Publishing Group, and then forty seven percent is PC Partners,
Speaker 3: and the number of employees in twenty nineteen supposedly ten thousand.
Speaker 3: Springer Nature or the Springer Nature Group is a German
Speaker 3: British academic publishing company created by the May twenty and
Speaker 3: fifteen mergerer of Springer Science and Business Media and hold
Speaker 3: Spring Publishing Groups, Nature Publishing Group and this is interesting,
Speaker 3: Paul Grave, mcmillion and Macmillian Education very interesting. The company
Speaker 3: originates from a number of journals and publishing houses, notably
Speaker 3: Spring of Our Lag which was founded in eighteen forty
Speaker 3: two by Julius Springer, and Berlin the Nature Publishing Group
Speaker 3: in Macmillion Education, which goes back to Macmillion publishers founded
Speaker 3: in eighteen fifty eighteen forty three. Now these macmillion books
Speaker 3: we're talking about the ones that odds are we've all
Speaker 3: probably seen in school.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There's that. And I think one other one that's like
Speaker 3: really well known. I can't remember the name of it
Speaker 3: for the life of me right now, but I know
Speaker 3: mcmillion for sure. It was all of my schools. Spring
Speaker 3: of Nature was formed in twenty fifteen by the merger
Speaker 3: of Nature Publishing Group, Palgrave, mcmillion and mcmillion Education held
Speaker 3: by Holtzburg Publishing Group, with Spring of Science and Business
Speaker 3: Media held by the BC Partners. So I was even
Speaker 3: more of a way of like showing you how it
Speaker 3: was broken down which company had which ones under them.
Speaker 3: But again that was that is a publishing company for
Speaker 3: schools for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think was it Prentice Hill or something.
Speaker 3: Was whole That's a yes, And that's we actually looked
Speaker 3: into them at one point. They might even that might
Speaker 3: even pop up on here. I could I could be forgetting,
Speaker 3: but I do know that is another one that has
Speaker 3: come up, and that he even covered a book that
Speaker 3: was under the DEVI was, you know, from them technically, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the past with me and looks uh, I'll go
Speaker 3: on to the next one. Here's Wolter's Clere that I
Speaker 3: had mentioned before, as you can see here registered ag
Speaker 3: CT Corporation again. And you got a bunch of them
Speaker 3: up on the screen. You know, a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: different states. Some of them are active, some of them
Speaker 3: merged withdrawn dead active. But uh, there's a bunch of
Speaker 3: them here and a little bit about them. Walter's Clre
Speaker 3: registered Agent CT Corp. In nineteen ninety nine. The academic
Speaker 3: publishing company Bartlesman Springer was formed after the media and
Speaker 3: entertainment company Bartlesman bought a majority stake in Spring of Verlac.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and three, the British investment groups Siven
Speaker 3: and Candover bought Bartlsman Springer from Bartlesman. They e merged
Speaker 3: the company in two thousand and four with the Dutch
Speaker 3: publisher Chlora Academic Publishers, which they bought from in two
Speaker 3: thousand and two to form Springer Science and Business Media.
Speaker 3: In twenty eleven, Springer acquired Farmer marketing and publishing services
Speaker 3: from Walter's Color. I know some of this I said earlier,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying it again, so people have a
Speaker 3: really good understanding of what I'm showing here, and then
Speaker 3: we have huh.
Speaker 1: It shows the connection for sure, how they all tie
Speaker 1: into each other. You're seeing evidence of it on the screen.
Speaker 3: And then we have here the whold Spring Publishing Group
Speaker 3: when you look them up there, registered agent is the
Speaker 3: Printics Hole and Corporation System, Inc. In Holtspurt Publishing Group
Speaker 3: Ayeah the Printings holl Is the registered agent is A
Speaker 3: publishing group is a privately held Germany company headquartered in
Speaker 3: Stuttgart that owns publishing companies worldwide through mcmillion Publishers. Is
Speaker 3: one of the big five English language publishing companies. In
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen emerged most of its macmillion Science and Education unit,
Speaker 3: including Nature Publishing Group, with Springer Science and Business Media,
Speaker 3: creating the company Springer Nature. Hold Spring owns fifty three
Speaker 3: percent of the combined company. The history of Greg Vaughan
Speaker 3: holdspring publishing activities during the Nazi years nineteen thirty three
Speaker 3: and nineteen forty five has been controversial. After World War II,
Speaker 3: George Vaughan Holdspring, a former member of the Nazi Party,
Speaker 3: re established the group in nineteen forty eight, beginning as
Speaker 3: a German book club. In the nineteen sixties, it purchased
Speaker 3: the German publishing companies Dromer, Kindler, Rohwaldt and s Fischer vers.
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty five, it acquired the retail book division
Speaker 3: of Holt, Ryan Hart and Winston, naming it the Henry
Speaker 3: Holt Book Company. One year later, the company acquired Scientific
Speaker 3: American Magazine for fifty two point six million. In nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, purchased a majority interest in Ferrara, Strauss and
Speaker 3: Guiro from a retiring Roger W. Strauss junior. A year later,
Speaker 3: it purchased a seventy percent majority interest in mcmillion Publishers,
Speaker 3: and then the remaining shares in nineteen ninety nine. In
Speaker 3: two thousand and one, Pearson sold the mcmillion trademark in
Speaker 3: the United States, gained with the acquisition of Simon and
Speaker 3: Schuster Educational and Professional Division, which included the assets of
Speaker 3: form of the former mcmillion, Inc. So I'm sure a
Speaker 3: lot of this is probably like, what the Hell's very confusing,
Speaker 3: but I mean literally, it's like you're just watching publishing
Speaker 3: companies devour each other and just get bigger and bigger,
Speaker 3: and I think control more and more of just what's
Speaker 3: getting put out there. In two thousand and one, Spring
Speaker 3: of Nature acquired Atlantis Press, an open access publisher founded
Speaker 3: two thousand founded in two thousand and six in Paris,
Speaker 3: focusing on scientific, technical, and medical content and publication for
Speaker 3: conference proceedings Real Quick. Simon and Shuster is an American
Speaker 3: publishing company owned by owned by Colberg Cravis Roberts. It
Speaker 3: was founded in New York City on January two, nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty four, by Richard L. Simon and M. Lincoln Schuster.
Speaker 3: Along with Penguin, Random House, Hatchet, Harper Collins, and mcmillion published.
Speaker 3: Simon and Schuster is considered one of the Big five
Speaker 3: English language publishers. As of twenty seventeen, Simon and Schuster
Speaker 3: was the third largest publisher in the United States, publishing
Speaker 3: two thousand titles annually under thirty five different imprints. Colbird,
Speaker 3: Cravis Roberts and Company is an American global investment company
Speaker 3: that manages multiple alternative asset classes, including private equity, energy, infrastructure,
Speaker 3: real estate, credit, and through its strategic partners, head funds
Speaker 3: hedge funds. As of December thirty first, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: the firm had completed more than six hundred and ninety
Speaker 3: private equity investments in portfolio companies with approximately seven hundred
Speaker 3: billion of total enterprise value. As of December thirty one,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, assets under AUM under management and fee
Speaker 3: paying assets under and under management, we're five hundred and
Speaker 3: four billion and four hundred and twelve billion.
Speaker 1: These aren't no small companies, like they're just making handover fist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's beyond Moose Lodge money. Nobody gets that. When
Speaker 3: we covered the Moose Lodge, we just thought it was interesting,
Speaker 3: how like you know, if some people don't know this too,
Speaker 3: you can go to Guide Star and like if there's
Speaker 3: any place that's like kind of using a religious exemption
Speaker 3: for taxes or whatever, you can go look up and
Speaker 3: they have to actually show proof of like how much
Speaker 3: they're making and where their money's going. And like the Shriners,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, everybody thinks of them. I was
Speaker 3: like all these rich motherfuckers. I mean, yeah, they did
Speaker 3: have a little bit of money when you started looking
Speaker 3: them up on there, But like when me and Lux
Speaker 3: went and looked up like the Moose Lodge, it was
Speaker 3: like ridiculous amounts of money, and I was like, nobody
Speaker 3: even knows who the hell these people are. It was
Speaker 3: like billions, yeah, and I was like, yo, I was like,
Speaker 3: sometimes I wonder is this even like money laundering from
Speaker 3: like one set of like the Mason's, like funneling their
Speaker 3: money into a different.
Speaker 1: Area and then getting the break because.
Speaker 3: It's because yeah, yeah, I mean you'll keep getting deductions,
Speaker 3: you'll keep saving money. Uh, all right, mcmillion education. I
Speaker 3: think that is the next line, mcmillion education. And here
Speaker 3: you go. The registered agent is Corporation Service Company and
Speaker 3: United States Corporation Company. I was not going to dig
Speaker 3: into it as much with the United States Corporation Company
Speaker 3: as much as that lux had spent in it could
Speaker 3: have been the Moose Lodge. I don't remember exactly what series,
Speaker 3: but we started to come across that United States Corporation
Speaker 3: Company and we're like, yo, what is up with this?
Speaker 3: And I do know after a while we both kind
Speaker 3: of came across the same thing. I just wasn't trying
Speaker 3: to look for it this time, because it did take
Speaker 3: a while on different search engines I think to eventually
Speaker 3: find it. But uh, and you know, there is like
Speaker 3: clippings of things too, that I think you can even
Speaker 3: find like it like printed on paper. Who knows if
Speaker 3: it's legit, But as far as we knew from the
Speaker 3: research that we dug into with the United States Corporation Company,
Speaker 3: that I mean, as far as we were considered when
Speaker 3: we looked into it, that's actually the United States government.
Speaker 3: That's what we got out of it. So I mean,
Speaker 3: if that and we're right, I mean, that's that's some shady,
Speaker 3: weird shit to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could be wrong and correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and I could be completely confusing this. But
Speaker 1: then we discussed it how it links back to like
Speaker 1: a mobile abandoned mobile home or something on a lot
Speaker 1: that doesn't even look like it's.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was that one, but there
Speaker 3: was like a lot of like if you were to
Speaker 3: even go and start looking at some of these addresses
Speaker 3: for these companies, There's been plenty of times where I
Speaker 3: have looked up Corporation Service Company or CT Corp. Could
Speaker 3: have been the United States Corp. Too, But like there
Speaker 3: was times in all this series is where we'll show
Speaker 3: like these things are like registered to a plot of
Speaker 3: land that's not there, or like or like an apartment
Speaker 3: complex like housing like apartment complex. It's like, what the hell, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is very weird, all right, So yeah, this is
Speaker 3: showing you know, the United States Corporation two up on
Speaker 3: here with Corporation Service Company. So I thought that was
Speaker 3: interesting to show, and I know I already kind of
Speaker 3: went into it already and not to like be the
Speaker 3: dead horse, but I'll probably cut down on some of this.
Speaker 3: Mcmillion Inc. Was an American book publishing company, originally originally
Speaker 3: established as the American division of the British mcmillion Publishers.
Speaker 3: The two were later separated acquired by other companies, with
Speaker 3: the remnants of the original American division of mcmillion present
Speaker 3: in McGraw That's what it was.
Speaker 1: That's it, Yeah, McGraw in.
Speaker 3: McGraw Hill's Educations, mcmillion McGraw hill Textbooks. Just crazy, so
Speaker 3: like even though there are two different books, it's like
Speaker 3: the same company anyway. Wow, Gail mcmillion's Reference USA division
Speaker 3: and some trade imprints of Simon and Schuster that were
Speaker 3: transferred when both companies were owned by Paramount Communications. The
Speaker 3: German publisher Holt Spring, which bought the British mcmillion in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine purchased US rights to the mcmillion name
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one and rebranded its American division
Speaker 3: with it. In two thousand and seven, the company was
Speaker 3: acquired by the controversial British tycoon Robert Maxwell's Maxwell Communication
Speaker 3: Corporation andineteen eighty nine. Later in nineteen eighty nine, mcmillion
Speaker 3: acquired Printin's whole information from Simon and Schuster. Maxwell died
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one, and mcmillion began selling properties and
Speaker 3: eventually filed for bankruptcy. Paramount acquired mcmillion computer publishing standard
Speaker 3: rate and data service was sold TOAG, a sister Maxwell company.
Speaker 3: Collier's Encyclopedia was sold to Planeta and d Agostini, when
Speaker 3: what remaining of the mcmillion Inc. Was eventually sold to
Speaker 3: Simon and Schuster and Paramount Communications for five hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty two point eight million, and that was finalized in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four. I guess I'll just get on to
Speaker 3: some more of the slides. Pretty much done with that,
Speaker 3: and this was like some things that I did find
Speaker 3: because I just started to run some of the stuff
Speaker 3: through bizipedia, because like I remember that I did this
Speaker 3: stuff in the past. I just wasn't gonna try to
Speaker 3: start going through like I have like three or four
Speaker 3: different types of like portable hard drives or whatever, so
Speaker 3: like I'd have to start going through like old stuff
Speaker 3: and like odds odds are back then. I who knows,
Speaker 3: it was probably a mess of screenshots saved as my notes.
Speaker 3: So I was just like it would be quicker and
Speaker 3: easier just for me to just start running things through
Speaker 3: Bizipedia and just hoping I come across it. Which I
Speaker 3: was like thinking, I don't think this is too hard
Speaker 3: since we saw it constantly. So here we go. We
Speaker 3: do have loyal Order of the Moose, and I mean
Speaker 3: even the Ethica Lodge number six sixty six, that is
Speaker 3: to New York that is CT Corporation system. It's a
Speaker 3: registered agent. It even shows here for like Coon Rappers
Speaker 3: number thirty eight, Loyal Order of the Moose CT Corporation,
Speaker 3: another one seven seventy CT Corporation, Cumberland Lodge, CT Corporation,
Speaker 3: Pulham County CTO Corporation, Athens Moose Lodge, CT Corporation. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like you would even think, like I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess like if you just went and buzipitiate it. You'd
Speaker 3: be like, oh, that's who everybody else is using. But
Speaker 3: it's like almost like you're like, do they all know
Speaker 3: to use this? Oh, if you're opening up a lodge,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe we suggest to use this or.
Speaker 1: Or are people from the Order of the Moose members
Speaker 1: involved in all this other stuff that we're talking about now,
Speaker 1: And they're like, Hey, this is a good company. I
Speaker 1: use them all the time, right, they have great customer services.
Speaker 3: They've been working great for Walter's Glory this whole time. Uh.
Speaker 3: Here we got the National Court of the Royal Order
Speaker 3: of Jesters that is a CT corporation system in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: And then we have a printice Hole Princess Whole that
Speaker 3: I mentioned before, registered agent, Corporation Service Company, and United
Speaker 3: States Corporation Company. So that's who the registered agents are
Speaker 3: for this company. According to this.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they switched them out, yeah, right, like
Speaker 1: they just round robin it or something.
Speaker 3: And then the Corporation Service Company that we mentioned before,
Speaker 3: the registered agents for that company is the Printin's Hole
Speaker 3: in the United States Corporation.
Speaker 1: That's so odd.
Speaker 3: And the United States Corporation Company the registered agent for
Speaker 3: that is Printin's all and Corporation Service Company, United States
Speaker 3: Corporation Company at same address as Corporation Service Company.
Speaker 1: One would think they're all the same.
Speaker 3: This was like a thing that me and lux had
Speaker 3: even I think this was all in the same episode.
Speaker 3: I really wish I could remember exactly what episode was
Speaker 3: so I could tell people to go look at it.
Speaker 3: But I have a feeling that it might be the
Speaker 3: need either the mouse Lage or possibly like random Nordica.
Speaker 3: You know, we started noticing that there is just like
Speaker 3: a cycle of like the it's almost like each one
Speaker 3: is like really, it's like it's like a circle of
Speaker 3: a company's owning each other. Luxe had. He even went
Speaker 3: to the points of like going to these companies sites
Speaker 3: and like looking at who like the coos and the
Speaker 3: CEOs and all these other people. I'm like, you were
Speaker 3: getting some of the same dudes on the same sites.
Speaker 3: They may not have been in the same position, but
Speaker 3: you'll see some of them are like on you know,
Speaker 3: the same top positions, and you're like, yeah, yo, this
Speaker 3: don't look right. This is like like a circle jerk
Speaker 3: of companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see that a lot with nonprofit medical
Speaker 1: organizations as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just very weird again. Hear me pull up back
Speaker 3: that slide again. You know all these other corporation service companies,
Speaker 3: ct Core, Printensile all very weird, shady, you know, they
Speaker 3: all pop up. It was registered agents for weird stuff
Speaker 3: that we decided to look at with the businesses. Now
Speaker 3: I have here, I keep going correct, all right, here
Speaker 3: I got now we did have you know what, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest, I'm not even exactly sure how to
Speaker 3: say the name correctly, but well, no, from the guests
Speaker 3: the listener, it was baby Bebi or baby.
Speaker 1: If we're getting it wrong, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean for a while I thought you were
Speaker 3: a dude.
Speaker 1: So I have a cousin that we used to call
Speaker 1: her Beby, and that's how we would spell her name,
Speaker 1: So that's that's why I thought it was BB.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but she had some information. She was over
Speaker 3: on the other side of the pond at some point
Speaker 3: and did know of like other companies that Maxwell was
Speaker 3: involved in. And I had to look him up and
Speaker 3: there was like some other companies that he did have,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, it was some rabbit holes that
Speaker 3: I even went down with some of that that I
Speaker 3: don't know if I was even looking at something that
Speaker 3: was weird or not, but you know I did. There
Speaker 3: is some stuff that I'll cover. I didn't want to
Speaker 3: get too crazy and even me at least, we're just
Speaker 3: going to find weird stuff that I think we might
Speaker 3: bring up, but can go even deeper and weirder. But
Speaker 3: from the company history site and you have here the
Speaker 3: two instances of unusual and unexpected publicity arrived at site
Speaker 3: Tech's doorstep in nineteen ninety one. The first occurred amidst
Speaker 3: the Gulf War, when schools shut down throughout Israel. Although
Speaker 3: a scud missile landed one thousand yards from company headquarters,
Speaker 3: Site Texts continued business as usual and hired one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty teachers to set up makeshift classrooms in a
Speaker 3: sealed bomb shelter on corporate grounds so parents could still
Speaker 3: come to work. The second surface near the end of
Speaker 3: the year in November, when British tycoon Robert Maxwell died
Speaker 3: mysteriously at sea. His holdings in side text were considerable,
Speaker 3: amounting to some twenty seven percent of the company stock.
Speaker 3: And here you do see side Texts and some of
Speaker 3: the information about them. It's basically like a site I
Speaker 3: guess for over there, kind of like bizipedia to give
Speaker 3: you some ideas of like who owns the company. And
Speaker 3: then there is even the news article Maxwell the Master
Speaker 3: of Deceit in the the Financial Times. This is January
Speaker 3: January eighteenth, nineteen ninety two, ten am. In many ways,
Speaker 3: Maxwell's fraud was breathtakingly simple. On July fourth, nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 3: for example, the late publisher sat at his desk in
Speaker 3: his office at Maxwell House and signed over seventy five
Speaker 3: million of his pensions money to himself. The contract, drawn
Speaker 3: up under Maxwell's instructions, was for the sale of shares
Speaker 3: in Side Text, a high flying Israeli printing company. On
Speaker 3: one side of the contract was Bishopsgate Investment Management, the
Speaker 3: private Maxwell company which managed the seven hundred million in
Speaker 3: the pension funds of the public Maxwell companies on behalf
Speaker 3: of three hundred thirty thousand past and past and present pensioners.
Speaker 3: BIM owned the site Text shares. On the other side
Speaker 3: was Robert Maxwell Group, the company at the heart of
Speaker 3: Maxwell's secretive business labyrinth, whose ultimate owners lay in the
Speaker 3: tax havens of Gibraltar and Leichenstein. Maxwell signed the contract
Speaker 3: as chairman of BIM. He then signed it again as
Speaker 3: chairman of Robert Maxwell Group. The pension funds would hand
Speaker 3: over their shares in side text to Robert Maxwell Group
Speaker 3: to sell in the stock market. The pension funds behalf.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I mean just sounds like this guy's
Speaker 3: like basically playing games. Uh, this is what we're supposed
Speaker 3: to happen. Robert Maxwell Group duly sold the shares on
Speaker 3: October ninth at the enormous profit, but instead of giving
Speaker 3: the money back to the pension funds, Robert Maxwell Group
Speaker 3: gave the money to its banks to pay off debts.
Speaker 3: Maxwell's actions was not illegal at the time. However, when
Speaker 3: on his death his bankrupt companies could not repay the
Speaker 3: pension funds, the PSYE Tech's laws proved to be the
Speaker 3: single biggest hole blasted in the pension funds.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine?
Speaker 3: Yeh yeah, So, I mean, uh, you know that that's
Speaker 3: I'm showing you right there. Obviously he did was involved
Speaker 3: with that company. Now this I you know, I typed
Speaker 3: inside text into bizipedia and now the only thing that
Speaker 3: came up would be this one site Text America Corp. Now,
Speaker 3: I have no idea if it's the same thing per se.
Speaker 3: It very much could be, and I'm questioning it, but
Speaker 3: I I do if it's not, I mean, it's wild.
Speaker 3: How I do find it interesting that it's registered agent
Speaker 3: is also CT Corporation system It's like almost seeing that
Speaker 3: makes me think like it probably is. But I could
Speaker 3: be wrong, you know, I'm saying, there's the benefit of
Speaker 3: you know, a yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then there are these two that came up, and those
Speaker 3: were also CT Corporation Systems. And here we have he
Speaker 3: also had Maxwell Communications and Maxwell Multimedia. So a news
Speaker 3: article over here that shows you know something about that
Speaker 3: he was involved with those companies. Uh. And then over
Speaker 3: here on the right, I did look up Maxwell Communications, Inc.
Speaker 3: And that does come up, and it's in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Maxwell's Communication, incs Uh. You know, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna read off this whole thing here, but if you
Speaker 3: look at the site, you know, it's got this person's name,
Speaker 3: it's got the address, the registered agent, the principal, you know,
Speaker 3: the well, you know, the principal address. And down here
Speaker 3: I'll have the director's name and it has his address
Speaker 3: and the director's addresses ups. One interesting thing to do
Speaker 3: with that too, is that I you know what. Unfortunately
Speaker 3: because of the the picture and I lost it in
Speaker 3: my notes, you might remember the name better. But if
Speaker 3: you do look at this, at this picture, you could
Speaker 3: see like two doors down or a door down from
Speaker 3: the UPS is.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think it was interesting. You do have like a
Speaker 3: Jewish temple right correctly?
Speaker 1: Yes, like a synagogue?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot the name of it, but there is
Speaker 3: one there, so I mean, I thought that was weird
Speaker 3: because that was another company I did not know exist
Speaker 3: until this listener sent it to me. I could not
Speaker 3: really find out anything about it. But I did find
Speaker 3: this and I just thought it was interesting, how like
Speaker 3: the director's the address of a UPS place next to it?
Speaker 1: It was called the Mereland Minyon Synagogue and it's literally
Speaker 1: the next door, like it's the UPS store. And then
Speaker 1: I think it's like a Boba tee or something. Maybe not,
Speaker 1: but it's something.
Speaker 3: That was like a playoff for the MM.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it has the M as a logo,
Speaker 1: like a like two arches with an M in the center.
Speaker 1: But then the name Mereland Mignon is so that's two
Speaker 1: MS synagogue, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here was another thing at It was interesting and
Speaker 3: I'll throw this in and then I'm pretty much done
Speaker 3: and I'll shut up. I think this is rather interesting
Speaker 3: again if this is truthful. But this is coming out
Speaker 3: of if I remember correctly, and Bby or Baby had
Speaker 3: sent me this, it came out of I think Maxwell's
Speaker 3: wife's biography or something like that, and in the a
Speaker 3: mind of my own. And here we have on page
Speaker 3: forty nine. What was interesting to say? If Bob had
Speaker 3: wanted to organize his own funeral, even he an unquestionably
Speaker 3: superb organizer with an eye for both detail and pageantry,
Speaker 3: cannot have thought of a more spectacular laying to rest
Speaker 3: in the place of his choice, Nor could he have
Speaker 3: ever dreamt of the role nature would play in that
Speaker 3: unforgettable event. He would have been proud of the homage
Speaker 3: Israel had paid him. It would in some way have
Speaker 3: soothed the wound afflicted on him by the Nazis murder
Speaker 3: of his family. I mean, this guy was friends with
Speaker 3: plenty of them, though, wasn't He seems like as long
Speaker 3: as his business at this point the and this is
Speaker 3: on page forty three. I think this is interesting if
Speaker 3: this is truthful. I think this kind of shows like
Speaker 3: the people he was connected with maybe. At this point,
Speaker 3: the crowd started to file past, slowly moving along the line,
Speaker 3: shaking our hands. There was Kevin, then Ian, then me, Gizlaine,
Speaker 3: Isabelle and Philip and Sylvia other members of our family
Speaker 3: formed the second row, while the third consisted of close friends, ministers,
Speaker 3: and members of these Israeli government headed by President Herzog
Speaker 3: and Prime Minister Yitzak Shmir. I'm saying that correctly. Scheiman Perez,
Speaker 3: the leader of the opposition Ehud Olmert, Minister of Health,
Speaker 3: moish Ahearns, Minister of Defense, Ariel Sharon, former Minister of Defense,
Speaker 3: and countless others. Then came more close friends who had
Speaker 3: traveled from a far field to be with us. Not
Speaker 3: going to read on the rest. Basically just wanted to
Speaker 3: show if that supposedly all those people came. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, sounds like he had some important people coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he did.
Speaker 3: So a very interesting character, and that is it out
Speaker 3: of me. It was just well until the end, then
Speaker 3: we'll get into some of the weird stuff, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go a little bit
Speaker 1: back saw on some of the things that I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention but kind of walk you through the timeline
Speaker 1: again and kind of build up into some of the
Speaker 1: weird stuff that happened towards the end of the seventies
Speaker 1: and then into the eighties and then at the end
Speaker 1: of his untimely death. So in the nineteen fifties you
Speaker 1: had him and Paul form Perma Press, right, and so
Speaker 1: Paul Rosebud he basically set the foundation to establish Pergonans
Speaker 1: success in that he created a need for new journals,
Speaker 1: and we talked about that how they were just making
Speaker 1: journals out of a field and saying, hey, you need
Speaker 1: this new journal, and previously scientific journals were not being
Speaker 1: published as fast. So the way he did this was
Speaker 1: he would find a new or he would approach a
Speaker 1: prominent scientist in a field and then tell him that
Speaker 1: that field needed a new journal, and then he would
Speaker 1: place that person at the helm or at the head
Speaker 1: of the journal, kind of like, hey, you know you
Speaker 1: need this journal, but we're going to put you in
Speaker 1: charge of it. And then turn around and go to
Speaker 1: the university library and say, hey, you just acquired a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of funding from the government that we're creating
Speaker 1: a new journal. You're the editor of it, you know
Speaker 1: is in your school, you should totally start start subscribing
Speaker 1: to it. And so he kind of had like like
Speaker 1: a business system going right, and it seemed all legit
Speaker 1: on the up and up. It kind of was a
Speaker 1: little bit of schmoozing. But what stend up happening is
Speaker 1: Maxwell took that and like put on steroids or something.
Speaker 1: But prior to that, Maxwell and Paul in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: five attended the first Geneva Conference on Peaceful Uses of
Speaker 1: Atomic Energy. Now, prior to that was the Geneva Accords,
Speaker 1: and then it would be in nineteen fifty five the
Speaker 1: Geneva Conference, and then that would go on for a
Speaker 1: few years before it turned into the Geneva Convention. Right,
Speaker 1: so you know about the Geneva Convention. Well, what happened
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty five conference is Maxwell rented an office
Speaker 1: near the conference and he would wander into these seminars
Speaker 1: and like official functions or guest speaking to do dinners,
Speaker 1: and he would approach scientists and offer to publish the
Speaker 1: paper that they were there to present and then ask
Speaker 1: for exclusive contracts for these scientists to be editors on
Speaker 1: Pergramont Journal. So he was like, right, there and then
Speaker 1: like sign being an editor, let me get your paper published,
Speaker 1: and basically you know, doing the deal the transaction there.
Speaker 1: And this pissed off like a lot of directors of
Speaker 1: the journals were competing journals and saying that Maxwell's dishonest,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't even look to see if the data
Speaker 1: is publishable. He doesn't even know if the experimental design
Speaker 1: is even like worth even looking into, or that the
Speaker 1: data is valid or anything like that. So he had
Speaker 1: the complete disregard. He just wanted to get their papers
Speaker 1: in and publish and then also get contracts with these
Speaker 1: scientists as editors. And this also pissed off Paul as well.
Speaker 1: His the guy who he started program on pressed with
Speaker 1: and saying that basically, like here he was growing these
Speaker 1: like little small u lambs and that essentially Maxwell was
Speaker 1: the butcher and selling them off for like a larger profit.
Speaker 1: So he felt already like he was being way too
Speaker 1: aggressive and so didn't really like the whole situation. So
Speaker 1: Paul and Robert Maxwell have all out in nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 1: Paul leaves the company and then Maxwell basically just takes
Speaker 1: that and, like I said, puts the whole business model
Speaker 1: on steroids. So the following year, nineteen fifty six, Maxwell
Speaker 1: goes back to the same Geneva conference, but this time,
Speaker 1: instead of renting an office, he rents a lake house
Speaker 1: near the conference and starts bringing scientists back to this house.
Speaker 1: And he was entertaining them with alcohol, cigars, like sailboat
Speaker 1: trips and all kinds of schmoozing or whatever or something.
Speaker 1: And you know, no science had seen anything like this,
Speaker 1: and definitely no scientists had ever attended a conference that
Speaker 1: was like this, so he I mean, it was all
Speaker 1: a novelty for them. And I think there were stories
Speaker 1: of like there were parties at the top of the
Speaker 1: Athens Hilton, you know, like certain scientists were getting gifts
Speaker 1: of concord flights. If some of these scientists agreed to
Speaker 1: be editors of a new journal, he would send them
Speaker 1: on a tour of the Greek islands to discuss the
Speaker 1: new journals. I mean, just all complete, like just lavishing them,
Speaker 1: and no expense was too great to basically, you know,
Speaker 1: for these scientists. So I'm assuming they felt like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is big time, this is a big deal,
Speaker 1: and so therefore they would just agree and sign over
Speaker 1: the contract or or sign the contract rather, so.
Speaker 3: You wonder if there was like maybe, uh, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know this is more of Epsteinish idea or thinking.
Speaker 3: But look at these parties where they could have been
Speaker 3: any blackmail done.
Speaker 1: Then okay, that's where I think. This is where I
Speaker 1: want My theory is that this was the purpose of
Speaker 1: those parties. I think it was a way to get
Speaker 1: everybody to let their hair down and start, you know,
Speaker 1: loose lips, right, spilling things. This is I think, and
Speaker 1: we'll see as we go further. This this is where
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell starts finding out insider stuff, insider stuff of
Speaker 1: what's going on in science, who's doing, what company is
Speaker 1: coming available, or what business is going to get started
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I think this is where he was a
Speaker 1: because if you read his resume, it looks like he
Speaker 1: had his ear to the ground and he was always
Speaker 1: right there waiting in the wings to take full advantage
Speaker 1: of something new and up and coming. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it was that. I think these parties were It
Speaker 1: was intel, and then it served a second purpose in
Speaker 1: that if it was in a compromising situation, these scientists
Speaker 1: are now in the pocket, right And then as we'll see,
Speaker 1: later his links to intelligence and the fact that he
Speaker 1: was being surveilled for certain things. I think this is
Speaker 1: what these parties were for, and it pretty much was
Speaker 1: a precursor to the Epstein parties my opinion. So development, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so as a shot. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: that was a really good question, because I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what it was. So by the end of the fifties,
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, Pergrima was publishing forty journals, and
Speaker 1: in ten years in nineteen sixty nine, they're going to
Speaker 1: be publishing one hundred and fifty. In comparison, Elseieber, who
Speaker 1: we talked about in the previous episode, they were only
Speaker 1: publishing like ten journals in nineteen fifty nine, and in
Speaker 1: ten years, like in nineteen sixty nine, they would only
Speaker 1: barely get to fifty. So he was outpacing the entire competition.
Speaker 1: And the other thing was that he was so scientists,
Speaker 1: I think, in general have a different mindset in that
Speaker 1: they they had like well, I think they had this
Speaker 1: benevolence factor sort of in that I have all this work,
Speaker 1: I want to contribute it to the scientific community. I
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the collective and be
Speaker 1: able to contribute, right, but that they want some sort
Speaker 1: of prestige with it. And I think Maxwell capitalize on
Speaker 1: that form of psychology with the scientists themselves, in that
Speaker 1: they want to collaborate and they want to be seen
Speaker 1: on the international stage. And this was how scientists viewed
Speaker 1: what it was to be prestigious, right, their work to
Speaker 1: be considered prestigious. So Maxwell had like this pr trick
Speaker 1: that he would do. And so when he would create
Speaker 1: a new journal, he would name it the International Journal
Speaker 1: of So let's just say there was a journal of
Speaker 1: cardiovascular surgery. Well, he would create a journal. They would
Speaker 1: say International Journal of Cardiovascular Surgery, right, And so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody wants to be on the international one,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so he's not taking
Speaker 1: competition away, if anything, he's adding more because more people
Speaker 1: are submitting. So there was that I guess PR tactic
Speaker 1: to kind of do. And so he started cornering a
Speaker 1: market that didn't exis so he created it, cornered it,
Speaker 1: and then took full advantage of it, which is somewhat genius.
Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty seven, we have Spudnik, which was the
Speaker 1: launching of a human satellite into orbit, or that's what
Speaker 1: they claim happened. And when this happened, and happened in October,
Speaker 1: the fourth of October in nineteen fifty seven. And so
Speaker 1: when this happened, you had all the Western scientists in
Speaker 1: Europe in the US wanting to know Russia's space program.
Speaker 1: They wanted to know what was data, what had been
Speaker 1: doing before, and what kind of results were they getting.
Speaker 1: And when they were looking for this data, they found
Speaker 1: out that there was already Like Maxwell had already negotiated
Speaker 1: an exclusive English contract to publish Russian Academy sciences journals
Speaker 1: earlier in the decade, so he was already on top
Speaker 1: of it. He knew what was going to happen. He
Speaker 1: knew what was already in the works, and so he
Speaker 1: got a contract with the Russian scientists to translate all
Speaker 1: of their data into English journals so that by the
Speaker 1: time Spudnik went into orbit, he could put out these
Speaker 1: journals in English form because he knew that this was
Speaker 1: already happening. Now you think, oh, wow, that's crazy that
Speaker 1: you know. Only he knew well, and we'll get into
Speaker 1: this a little bit later. Western scientists had no idea
Speaker 1: this was happening, so to speak. However, with some of
Speaker 1: these FBI files that I found the other night, you
Speaker 1: start to see that there was already a collaboration happening
Speaker 1: between the US government the London government, and then in
Speaker 1: April it kind of like closed off, or it was,
Speaker 1: I guess, put to rest, so to speak. But and
Speaker 1: I have that on the screen right here, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it here in a bit. But aside from
Speaker 1: all of this, you have Maxwell going into Russia speaking
Speaker 1: to someone saying, we're going to go ahead and publish
Speaker 1: your work in English, and they agree to it. And
Speaker 1: then if you went to Japan or India, Maxwell had
Speaker 1: already been to Japan and already been to India and
Speaker 1: already had contracts with them to translate all their stuff
Speaker 1: into English, and ready and waiting to publish it all whenever,
Speaker 1: you know, it was ready to do. So the Japanese
Speaker 1: and the Indians were so gracious that their stuff was
Speaker 1: going to get internationally recognized and translated to English that
Speaker 1: they signed over the rights for free, like I mean,
Speaker 1: just you know, go for it. Take it. So these
Speaker 1: these FBI files that I found, they're kind of heavily censored.
Speaker 1: But what you get from the gist of it was
Speaker 1: that during the mid nineteen fifties Maxwell was subjected to
Speaker 1: heavy FBI surveillance and then they closed the investigation on
Speaker 1: April nineteen fifty seven. Now remember Spudnick went up October
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty seven, and they decided in April nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven that there was no need to investigate Maxwell
Speaker 1: any further. So he was being investigated for acts of espionage,
Speaker 1: and then it was determined that he was not doing
Speaker 1: anything like that. But in nineteen fifty four, three years prior,
Speaker 1: FBI had been monitoring Maxwell specifically for his contacts and
Speaker 1: associations with American nuclear scientists. So what I think happened
Speaker 1: he broke her to deal. I think since he already
Speaker 1: had the English translation contracts with the Russians and they
Speaker 1: were surveilling him for having I guess like contacts or
Speaker 1: relations with the American nuclear scientists, he said, Hey, I
Speaker 1: have this, can we trade? Because how is it that
Speaker 1: same year in April they're like, oh, there's nothing to
Speaker 1: see here, and come on October spud Nick is launched.
Speaker 1: And there really wasn't like this huge, huge deal. The
Speaker 1: only like surprise was among the scientific community who probably
Speaker 1: were not even privy to it. I don't know. This
Speaker 1: is my theory, one hundred percent, you know, speculation. But
Speaker 1: and because of this, the Britain and American broke ties
Speaker 1: and they didn't want to share nuclear research anymore with
Speaker 1: each other because they kind of realized through this surveillance
Speaker 1: that they had been doing that there were East West
Speaker 1: traders what they called spies that were mainly of the
Speaker 1: Jewish community, that were going back and forth between Britain
Speaker 1: and American and selling newlear secrets. So there was there
Speaker 1: was all that. So that was and and these so
Speaker 1: on this slide, the one under the nineteen fifty title,
Speaker 1: that's the Geneva Convention conference in nineteen fifty five, and
Speaker 1: then the PROGRAMA. Oh, that was the other thing. So
Speaker 1: the FBI files that I found basically were an announcement
Speaker 1: as well as a request to establish a translational panel
Speaker 1: for London and the US for Pergramo Institute to be
Speaker 1: at the helm of I'm sorry to be at the
Speaker 1: forefront of it, with Robert Maxwell being the director of it,
Speaker 1: and so he would be the one in charge of
Speaker 1: translating all of Eastern Europe and Russian science and this
Speaker 1: was on the FBI website there. That was happened in
Speaker 1: the background while Pergramo was going on in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: So then in the nineteen sixties, remember we talked about
Speaker 1: how Pergramo was like basically the model went on steroids.
Speaker 1: He's making a lot of money. Maxwell's now being Chaufford
Speaker 1: in a Rolls Royce. He moves Pergmo and himself in
Speaker 1: the family from London to this I guess, like a
Speaker 1: palace type thing in Headington Hill Hall estate in Oxford,
Speaker 1: and Blackwell Publishing Company was also located close by, so
Speaker 1: he was kind of situating in himself in this like
Speaker 1: really opulent type neighborhood and so secret societies or like
Speaker 1: whenever he would entertain people from secret societies, he would
Speaker 1: bring them here and schmooz them with expensive dinners, expensive wine,
Speaker 1: and then present them with a huge check for their society.
Speaker 1: And then you know, it was probably more than what
Speaker 1: these scientists had ever seen before, and so they're just like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's fine, we'll sign it over. You know, you take
Speaker 1: care Perma Press can take care of it from here
Speaker 1: on out and so forth. So in essence, he's like
Speaker 1: starting to create like like thousands of many monopolies with
Speaker 1: each journal, right, and they're all feeding into this one company.
Speaker 1: So I believe that. Yeah. So the main thing was
Speaker 1: that we've talked about this on the last episode was
Speaker 1: that if it didn't matter if you had a great idea,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter how great your experiment was, if you
Speaker 1: didn't publish it, it meant nothing because the world didn't
Speaker 1: know about it. And so that's where you have the
Speaker 1: whole publishing company coming in, controlling the access of scientific literature,
Speaker 1: whether they allow you to publish it or not, whether
Speaker 1: they think it's publishable or not, and then essentially controlling science.
Speaker 1: So if Maxwell was at the helm of it all,
Speaker 1: whether it's in translation, whether it's publishing, he's pretty much
Speaker 1: sitting in a position to control, you know, the science
Speaker 1: that's coming out. So Maxwell understood this market, and I
Speaker 1: think that's kind of been established on that. You know,
Speaker 1: you create these journals and you don't really take away
Speaker 1: business from anything else because you can't substitute it for
Speaker 1: anything else. Like one individual discovery is only that, and
Speaker 1: you can't find that discovery cheaper in the next journal
Speaker 1: because it's only there. So you have to get that
Speaker 1: journal because you want to read about that discous right,
Speaker 1: you can't get that discovery at a discounted rate on
Speaker 1: the other journal. You have to buy that journal. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was that's kind of funny. And so
Speaker 1: the only limiting factor with this model was the government.
Speaker 3: But in the.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixties, what do you have Kennedy Space Program, so
Speaker 1: a lot of money going into that for research. Nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies you have Nixon's War on Cancer, a lot of
Speaker 1: money going into research for that. I believe what was
Speaker 1: it Reagan was war on drugs. You had a lot
Speaker 1: of experiments of what does you know marijuana do, what
Speaker 1: does cocaine do? What does methamphetamines do? I mean, you
Speaker 1: have all of this money going into laboratories, so you're
Speaker 1: going to get a whole bunch of papers being churned out,
Speaker 1: being sent to these journals to get published. So that's
Speaker 1: pretty much kind of, you know, the bulk of it
Speaker 1: on that. The other thing that I wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of mention are these pictures here that I put on
Speaker 1: the slides. It's the house that he moved into there
Speaker 1: outside of Oxford. Maxwell tried his hand in parliament and
Speaker 1: I think he won a couple of times and then didn't.
Speaker 1: The middle picture is of just Laine as a kid,
Speaker 1: and then which was his favorite daughter. I will say
Speaker 1: that like out of all of them, I think he
Speaker 1: was very heart andful to a lot of other ones
Speaker 1: if you read some of the the excerpts of it,
Speaker 1: and he favored her over everyone else. I think we
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, have gathered that. And then the
Speaker 1: picture on the far and is him with Rupert Mardach,
Speaker 1: which he was always compared to and always competing with
Speaker 1: toe to toe constantly. So nineteen seventies, so we have
Speaker 1: here where publishers would begin to meddle hard in with science,
Speaker 1: and we kind of went over all of that and
Speaker 1: with the impact factor and setting tears and hierarchies within
Speaker 1: journals and so forth. In nineteen seven. This is where
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell gets his bouncing check nickname from. And it's
Speaker 1: from this guy that's sitting at the top of the
Speaker 1: picture there on the slide. He's the one that gives
Speaker 1: that whole interaction is where he gets his nickname from.
Speaker 1: And then the picture below is actually Robert Maxwell with Bresnev.
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say his last name, that's
Speaker 1: the Russian guy. And so that's to show that. So
Speaker 1: here on out you start seeing Maxwell with all kinds
Speaker 1: of Russian dignitaries constantly at these conferences, no matter what
Speaker 1: 're on these parties, it's constant that he's just, you know,
Speaker 1: there all the time. At Pergamo, there was a CEO
Speaker 1: that recalls Maxwell holding up the one page report of
Speaker 1: when Watson and Cricks make the discovery of the structure
Speaker 1: of DNA and saying that life science is going to
Speaker 1: be the next big thing in science. And that day,
Speaker 1: from that year at least over one hundred journals were
Speaker 1: created from that alone. So whatever he said and how
Speaker 1: he said it, people listened and they acted upon it.
Speaker 1: So there's that. And then these books that I put
Speaker 1: on the screen. They are books that are reports from
Speaker 1: the Club of Rome. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: Club of Rome. That's an actual organization that I believe
Speaker 1: has been tied into all kinds of nefarious things, and
Speaker 1: I think they believe on something like zero net population
Speaker 1: is the only sustainable population for humans or something. So
Speaker 1: Pergamo printed a lot of these reports for Club of Rome.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was interesting to include Also within
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, there was a software that came out
Speaker 1: of the US called Promise, and it was a search
Speaker 1: and surveillance type software and it was created in the US,
Speaker 1: and I believe it started to be built in the US.
Speaker 1: But the guy who was building it, and I could
Speaker 1: get this completely wrong, so please correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but I believe that he was building it and he
Speaker 1: talked to somebody else, and that other person said that
Speaker 1: he didn't have I guess, the expertise or the contacts
Speaker 1: to make it go global, so he put him in
Speaker 1: touch with Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell takes it on or
Speaker 1: kind of takes it under his wing, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And I believe that he the creator guy was William Hamilton,
Speaker 1: but Robert Maxwell ends up I believe talking to somebody
Speaker 1: that was part of the megagroup. I think it was
Speaker 1: Broun Femend or something like that, and they inserted a
Speaker 1: back door to the software that Israeli could now access
Speaker 1: and spy on whichever government bought the software and was
Speaker 1: implementing it. So he got in trouble for that, or
Speaker 1: at least somebody did not the creator. But basically it
Speaker 1: was like a big, big to do on that. Let
Speaker 1: me see what else. The next slide, I put in
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other pictures. So I'm kind of
Speaker 1: moving away from the scientific medical journals in terms of
Speaker 1: what was happening at that point and kind of showing
Speaker 1: you the other side of what was happening beyond the
Speaker 1: actual publishing area, because I think it's important. So the
Speaker 1: publishing itself created a way for him to financially sustain
Speaker 1: his lifestyle as well as place him in places with
Speaker 1: other people of significance or significant influence. And then you know,
Speaker 1: move and shake. He was doing these parties, he was
Speaker 1: gathering intel. Well we already know he had intelligence ties
Speaker 1: to Britain. Now they're suspected intelligence ties to KGB as
Speaker 1: well as Israeli. And so you start to see, like
Speaker 1: you brought up earlier, that these parties were not just parties,
Speaker 1: they were to gather intel, and who knows if they
Speaker 1: were being placed in compromising situations. But what better way
Speaker 1: too than people have never been to parties like this.
Speaker 1: You know, you're being basically wooed. You know, I would
Speaker 1: see that somebody would be very easily manipulated to do
Speaker 1: something that they would normally not do my opinion. But
Speaker 1: so in the nineteen eighties we see a photo of
Speaker 1: him with Kissinger at the top. That's an Amsterdam. We
Speaker 1: also see Maxwell pictured with Prince Charles and Princess Diana.
Speaker 1: We also see that he was on a yacht where
Speaker 1: he had just bought McMillan Publishing, and in order to celebrate,
Speaker 1: he threw this big party or swore a on the
Speaker 1: Lady's Lane that was docked on the Potomac and invited
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Let me see, I haven't listed who all
Speaker 1: was there. Donald Trump was on there, Mike Wallace, which
Speaker 1: I believe was like an announcer or something. The other
Speaker 1: one there was a guy on there. There was a
Speaker 1: KGB MOSAD spy. But I didn't get a name on
Speaker 1: that one, but just that he was there. Senator John Tower,
Speaker 1: who was involved with the promised software. So now we
Speaker 1: have a direct link with that that that it wasn't speculation.
Speaker 1: They were all they were, they knew each other. Oh
Speaker 1: and and the actual John Tower was also involved in
Speaker 1: a theft of Soviet arms and a Soviet sex ring.
Speaker 1: So there's that. It appears that just lanes in the background.
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to get a clear shot on that,
Speaker 1: Like I couldn't find any pictures of that. But what
Speaker 1: was also who also was in attendance of there because
Speaker 1: I think they make like a manifest or something like
Speaker 1: that was Reverend Jesse Jackson as well as CI director
Speaker 1: William Webster. So it was these people. I think it big, big,
Speaker 1: big to do party just for him celebrating that he
Speaker 1: had bought McMillan publishing company.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting exactly, and so yeah, I mean it, it seems
Speaker 1: it seems they all kind of knew each other. One
Speaker 1: other picture on here that I thought was very interesting
Speaker 1: and I never really put, you know, and that never
Speaker 1: really crossed my radar is that photo with Robert Maxwell
Speaker 1: and Samuel Pissar. I think that's how you say his name.
Speaker 1: And Samuel Pissar is the stepfather of Secretary of State
Speaker 1: Tony blinkedon Li Lincoln Blincoln Lincoln. So Samuel Star was
Speaker 1: Robert Maxwell's longtime lawyer and confidant. I had no idea
Speaker 1: that that was his lawyer. And so he's a stepfather
Speaker 1: of Anthony Blincoln also Blincoln. I believe his real dad
Speaker 1: is uh what Bill Barr's dad, So I think they're
Speaker 1: half brothers, and Barr himself his real dad, Lincoln's real
Speaker 1: dad was I believe the headmaster at Dalton and Dalton
Speaker 1: is where Jeffrey Epstein was there, and I believe was
Speaker 1: recruited for or given a job of some sort. And
Speaker 1: I think he was recruited by Barr if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: but part of this whole circle of people Blincoln's dad
Speaker 1: or stepdad, Samuel Sar and Robert Maxwell, which I thought,
Speaker 1: this is a really interesting thing. So you have a
Speaker 1: mafia and a Masad connection. In nine, eighteen seventy nine,
Speaker 1: they bring a family out of the USSR and that
Speaker 1: family is the Google founder CEO serge A Brin of Google. Right,
Speaker 1: so they had him on an Israeli ticket, but he
Speaker 1: ended up in New York. So there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of connections I think with this, But yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: And then also he started buying football teams, and I
Speaker 1: think we've seen pictures of him with just laying in
Speaker 1: a football or soccer stadium watching a game or what
Speaker 1: have you. But yeah, he was he was definitely rubbing
Speaker 1: elbows big time in the eighties. I think this was
Speaker 1: probably the point where you know, he's now making use
Speaker 1: of all his contacts and so, and I believe there's
Speaker 1: also pictures of him with other Russian dignitaries like I
Speaker 1: think Khrushchev and Gorbachev and wah sorry h w Bush
Speaker 1: is one of them as well. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's like market Margaret rat Thatcher as well. Yeah, too
Speaker 1: many to put on slide sounds like basically yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was it. And so now we bring us
Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety one, November the fourth where he decides
Speaker 1: to bounce off of the Lady is lame. So the
Speaker 1: basically and I guess you know, you and I will
Speaker 1: basically you know, team tag this one. But that you know,
Speaker 1: he was on his yacht and then basically was found
Speaker 1: floating after. It's just shaty in itself, I think so too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want, I'll go into uh yes, please
Speaker 3: come in to a little bit with the dancing care
Speaker 3: Let me pull up that. Oh you're on it already.
Speaker 3: I was looking at the notes. The dancing Hair is
Speaker 3: formerly Lady Gislaine and Lady Mona Quay is a superyacht
Speaker 3: built by Armels in nineteen eighty six. I just kind
Speaker 3: of wanted to look up like where the boat came
Speaker 3: from too. The Damon Group of MELS is a Dutch defense,
Speaker 3: shipbuilding and engineering conglomerate company based in the Netherlands. Though
Speaker 3: it is a major international group doing business in one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty countries, it remains a private, family owned company.
Speaker 3: Damon is involved in ship construction as well as maintenance
Speaker 3: and repair activities. It is a wide product range, including tugs, workboats,
Speaker 3: patrol craft, cargo vessels, dredgers, superyachts and fast ferries. Product
Speaker 3: design and engineering are carried out carried out in house
Speaker 3: and a broad range of designs are available. Key figures
Speaker 3: and statistics. Their annual turnover is about two point one
Speaker 3: billion euro. They have about thirty two yards worldwide employee.
Speaker 3: They have about fourteen in the Netherlands and eighteen abroad.
Speaker 3: The employees they have about nine thousand worldwide. Total number
Speaker 3: of deliveries since nineteen sixty nine, six thousand ships, forty
Speaker 3: dry docks, whole bunch of other things. Pretty big company.
Speaker 3: On Maxwell's death, now, yeah, it was November fifth, right,
Speaker 3: you said nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: Fifth or six. I'm not it was a fifth I
Speaker 1: said it wrong.
Speaker 3: At the age of US sixty eight. It's even interesting
Speaker 3: sixty Maxwell was on board a Lady Gaslane which was
Speaker 3: cruising off the Canary Islands. Maxwell's body was subsequently found
Speaker 3: vating in the Atlantic Ocean. He was later buried in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3: The official verdict was accidental drowning. Some think he may
Speaker 3: have committed suicide or been murdered a subsequent owner. After
Speaker 3: Maxwell's death, the yacht was purchased by an Arabian businessman
Speaker 3: who sold her in twenty seventeen to Anna Murdoch, at
Speaker 3: one time the wife of Rupert Murdoch. It was only
Speaker 3: after the sale the new owner discovered that the yacht
Speaker 3: had previously been owned by Maxwell. After a refit at
Speaker 3: the bulk shipyard in Irk, Netherlands over the winter, the
Speaker 3: vessel was renamed Dancing Hair in May of eighteen. And
Speaker 3: I think you have some stuff you want to say
Speaker 3: right before I get to the numbers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So just a little backstory. So it
Speaker 1: was originally made for Amad Kashogi and he a mod Kashowgi.
Speaker 1: He has a very interesting family. Ahmad is cousin to
Speaker 1: Dodi al Fayed. I'm probably saying that wrong. He was
Speaker 1: the guy that was dating Princess Diana and died with
Speaker 1: her in the crash. Ahmad is also the nephew of
Speaker 1: Jamal Kashogi, which was a journalist that was assassinated assemble
Speaker 1: by the government Saudi Arabia by Saudi Arabian government. He
Speaker 1: was also the nephew of Adan Kashogi, which is the
Speaker 1: famous Saudi businessman armstealer. What's interesting about uh A Don
Speaker 1: Koshogi is that his son dated one of the girls,
Speaker 1: or he dated a girl named Juliet Hartford, who was
Speaker 1: the daughter of Huntington Hartford, and Huntington Hartford is said
Speaker 1: to have been the I Guess model for Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: and he wanted to live the exact same lifestyle that
Speaker 1: Huntington Hartford lived. So Juliet went was also involved in
Speaker 1: a relationship with Koshogi's son and went to the same
Speaker 1: school with him. So it's like they all knew each other.
Speaker 1: They kind of all kind of you know whatever. In Kashogi,
Speaker 1: he was involved in the Iran contra, which so was Maxwell,
Speaker 1: so was Rupert Murdoch, so they kind of all kind
Speaker 1: of knew each other. And Koushoge, I mean, his his
Speaker 1: clients were like Lockeyed Corps, Raytheon Northborough, Grumman, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it. It's a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: big names that these people were affiliated with. That was
Speaker 1: pretty much I wanted to kind of mention about the
Speaker 1: person who it was destined for first, but you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of Anna Murdoch, uh with Iran contra ruper Murdoch,
Speaker 1: he was basically instrumental to sway the public perception of
Speaker 1: US's policy of regime change in Central America that was
Speaker 1: led by the CIA. So you start to see kind
Speaker 1: of how everybody's building upon each other. So yeah, the
Speaker 1: Daily News reported that when Anna purchased a super yacht,
Speaker 1: the asking price was for eleven point eight million. I
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting that the numbers. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: of course, you know, they start bidding or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then she gets it. I don't know what, they don't
Speaker 1: say what she ended up paying for it. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: but him and Murdoch basically went toe to toe. And
Speaker 1: I think BB also mentioned something like this that it
Speaker 1: was the last the what was it, the Daily Mirror
Speaker 1: scandal as well as he tried to purchase another company
Speaker 1: and that basically did him in. And I believe he
Speaker 1: also owed money to Goldman Sachs, so that that was
Speaker 1: all up towards his death or like right before.
Speaker 3: So that pretty much it all right. And then I
Speaker 3: did have I did think that this was interesting with
Speaker 3: the boat names. Gasline in uh in Hebrew Jamata equals
Speaker 3: one to eighty nine and then in English Jamatia five
Speaker 3: oh four in simple Jamata eighty four. The dancing hair
Speaker 3: in Hebrew Jamatia, it's not one eighty nine, but it's
Speaker 3: one ninety eight, but dancing hair in English equals five
Speaker 3: oh four and simple eighty four, So I thought that
Speaker 3: was kind of interesting. Does imagine.
Speaker 1: It's weird that they would pick the same thing though, Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, what's the I don't know the odds of
Speaker 3: that working out like that. I don't know like what
Speaker 3: the statistics would be. To me. It just seems, you know,
Speaker 3: beyond coincidence.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think so too. I definitely think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something that they did think was interesting. And I
Speaker 3: just threw it in there, lady because I think before
Speaker 3: Lady Kislaine, that would be forty two. So I mean, again,
Speaker 3: like I did mention even with the eleven and the
Speaker 3: eight eleven point eight and you know the sixty eight
Speaker 3: and like other numbers that you are seeing a lot of,
Speaker 3: I feel like two four and sixes and eights. M
Speaker 3: So I do wonder about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I think they're significant. You see
Speaker 1: them repeating over and over. You definitely see four four
Speaker 1: repeating over and over again in terms of like sell
Speaker 1: price or buying price or anything like that.
Speaker 3: Oh. One thing I did ed that I think is
Speaker 3: kind of funny. I think I even made a post
Speaker 3: about it a little bit ago. Lady in Hebrew Jamacia
Speaker 3: equals uh, you know four twenty four that matches purple
Speaker 3: and Hebrew, and then lady in Simple equals forty two
Speaker 3: that actually matches rain and simple just made me think
Speaker 3: of purple ring from press.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Kind of was like a lady at times.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's true.
Speaker 3: See to me, I think a lot of it, Like
Speaker 3: you know, who knows what the hell he was into,
Speaker 3: But I could see that just being a lot of
Speaker 3: that whole symbolism again, both sexism mixed together.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: So yeah. Yeah, and then I think we've just got
Speaker 3: some random notes from you.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, but it wasn't Yeah, just how like it
Speaker 1: you know, some of this stuff may have popped up,
Speaker 1: and I believe we mentioned some of that, like on
Speaker 1: the Gilgo stuff, how Progmo that he named the company Programo,
Speaker 1: and then Progmo Alter shows up in some of the
Speaker 1: Gilgo Jamatri results and Programo was basically the Altar was
Speaker 1: in Turkey and they moved it to Berlin. He was
Speaker 1: working in Berlin at the time when he was with
Speaker 1: Springer and then doing all of the what is it
Speaker 1: the interrogations because he knew nine languages they were using
Speaker 1: him for that the intelligence job that he was doing
Speaker 1: at the time, and so yeah, that it just it
Speaker 1: would seem odd that he would name a company that
Speaker 1: considering that. So there was that. And then did I
Speaker 1: think Tella Jane Riley Midburn, which is one of the
Speaker 1: wives of Elon Musk, she had a couple of books
Speaker 1: come out that the publisher that she used basically was
Speaker 1: bought out by el Sieber, So tangentially she's b linked
Speaker 1: to Elsieber. And then I mentioned Huntington Hartford that that
Speaker 1: was another connection. So that was pretty much it.
Speaker 3: All right, awesome, that was a really uh, I mean
Speaker 3: even just got past my stuff. Really even the stuff
Speaker 3: that I mean, just the people associated with and all that.
Speaker 3: To me, it almost seems like, in my opinion it
Speaker 3: could be wrong, But like it caught me when you
Speaker 3: had said something that, like he had made some statement,
Speaker 3: and then like one hundred journals basically were written because
Speaker 3: of that. Couldn't you start actually even start swaying or
Speaker 3: dictating the scientific feel about what they're even going to study,
Speaker 3: research and write about. Absolutely, that's that's a magician in himself.
Speaker 1: Well think about it's not you know, what if you
Speaker 1: think beyond microorganisms and disease, what if you think about computers,
Speaker 1: or if you think about microchips, or you think about software,
Speaker 1: and if you're making all these transactions with software like
Speaker 1: he did with Promise, he knew that everybody was going
Speaker 1: to be wanting to know about software like they did
Speaker 1: with the spudnik, and so he corners a market, or
Speaker 1: he creates it and then corners it and takes full
Speaker 1: advantage of it. It seemed like that was his mo
Speaker 1: the whole time. So yeah, I think that's why he
Speaker 1: kept his ear to the ground, or he it looked
Speaker 1: like he did. I think this all this information was
Speaker 1: being fed somewhere. I think the rumors that it wasn't
Speaker 1: a suicide. I mean the pathologists. I think there were
Speaker 1: like three pathologists and then none of them agreed. The
Speaker 1: rumors of it being a hit are there just because
Speaker 1: you know, the affiliations inside, the affiliations with all the
Speaker 1: other international the amount of money that he owed. It
Speaker 1: could be that they took him out as well because
Speaker 1: they knew he was, you know whatever, not going to
Speaker 1: pay back or trying to find his bounce that check
Speaker 1: or something. But so, I mean, it could be that,
Speaker 1: or it could be that he was overwhelmed and was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't get out of this and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go to prison, so you know, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my life. Or he could have just simply fallen, like
Speaker 1: he got up, went to go pee and fell And
Speaker 1: here we are creating this conspiracy board with Red Yarn
Speaker 1: and it was so simple that he accidentally fell.
Speaker 3: Over, right. Imagine there was like literally some dumb shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, it's a possibility, it's a
Speaker 1: total possibility. We don't know. You weren't there.
Speaker 3: But I mean, regardless of how he died, he definitely was,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, involved with high level of people doing
Speaker 3: some just I definitely think there was a manipulations definitely
Speaker 3: amongst all this stuff for sure, you know. And and
Speaker 3: again that to go back, I think I kind of
Speaker 3: mentioned in the first episode. But like I would like again,
Speaker 3: I'm not discrediting that this stuff didn't happen. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it did. Do I think anything's ever gonna come of it? No,
Speaker 3: But like even the stuff with Epstein and Galen, Like,
Speaker 3: I really wonder what other stuff were these people involved
Speaker 3: in besides what we're you know, being fed from the TV, right,
Speaker 3: you know, there's plenty of other things that this guy was,
Speaker 3: you know, Epstein, you know, especially you know, he was
Speaker 3: into my you know, eugenics and stuff, science stuff, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, so was Glenn, Gleen's father. I Mean, it's
Speaker 3: just you.
Speaker 1: Know, and some of these parties that Maxwell had, gas
Speaker 1: Laine was there. She was at these parties, so she
Speaker 1: knew these people, they knew her, And so when he died,
Speaker 1: she's left knowing she's the only one at the parties,
Speaker 1: she's closest to him. He's probably told her a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff. Who's to say that she's that she just
Speaker 1: didn't step into the role. Now, that he's gone, or
Speaker 1: it could be she was mad at him and said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I can do this better than you
Speaker 1: and took him out herself. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: speculation can run rampant, but I in my theory, which
Speaker 1: is unsubstantiated, I don't think Epstein was that much of
Speaker 1: a mastermind, so to speak, as people perceive him to be.
Speaker 1: I believe he hooked up with Justlaine because of her connections,
Speaker 1: her intelligent ties, and all of the benefits of her
Speaker 1: going to all these parts parties all throughout her life,
Speaker 1: and then positioned himself to be the next Robert Maxwell.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that makes any sense, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. He wanted that lifestyle, he wanted to
Speaker 1: be that and so therefore I'm gonna, you know, hook
Speaker 1: up with this girl because she knows all the connections,
Speaker 1: and he could have wanted to do the whole eugenics
Speaker 1: thing from the get go. She she probably had you know,
Speaker 1: these scientists guys on speed dial. You know, who's to
Speaker 1: say she didn't. I mean afterwards, she probably did.
Speaker 3: But well, and I was thinking before that, if, like
Speaker 3: you know, when I had me to comment about you know,
Speaker 3: if Maxwell at these parties, was blackmailing people if that
Speaker 3: was going on, I mean, to me, I would just
Speaker 3: assume that is exactly what was Again, like I would
Speaker 3: even question was it really even Epstein's idea to have
Speaker 3: that old you know, we don't know, right, you know,
Speaker 3: before we know he was, like you were saying, he
Speaker 3: really wasn't as important in that whole situation with somebody
Speaker 3: else's demise, and like they already had Epstein as a
Speaker 3: full guy. I mean, we have no idea, but it
Speaker 3: with the whole style of it would seem very Maxwell esque,
Speaker 3: I guess to me, because he was the one doing
Speaker 3: it before him.
Speaker 1: You know, right right exactly. And you know the other
Speaker 1: thing is I go back to the first episode, why
Speaker 1: is intelligence at the head of these publishing companies that
Speaker 1: are controlling science and making hand over fist? Like we
Speaker 1: talk about how you know intelligence companies? Do you know
Speaker 1: human trafficking or arms dealing to fund black ops? Who's
Speaker 1: to say that they don't own a publishing company and
Speaker 1: getting money that way? Yeah, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 3: So when they have registered agents and you can't see o's.
Speaker 1: The company and they're all the same.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, thank you very much, Lisa, that was a
Speaker 3: really wild rabbit hole. Like I said, there was even
Speaker 3: stuff that me and you were looking at that just
Speaker 3: seemed weird too. It we didn't get into it. It
Speaker 3: could have been more stuff I probably could have done with,
Speaker 3: like the CT Corp And those companies, but that was
Speaker 3: already long enough if I thought. Yeah, And it's like
Speaker 3: I understand, you know, I give you a lot of
Speaker 3: credit if you made it all the way through after me,
Speaker 3: because a lot of it was just like just starting
Speaker 3: to look at how these companies were acquired, and it's
Speaker 3: like you could even see, you know, it's like a well,
Speaker 3: part of it was here and then part of it
Speaker 3: went there was just like what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: And then it just seems like they all get swallowed
Speaker 3: up by another company. It's just the whole thing was
Speaker 3: I guess if it was, you know, it was very confusing,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure it was meant to be that way.
Speaker 3: And I do think that whole merry go round that
Speaker 3: you followed me through is something shady going on.
Speaker 1: I think so. I think so too.
Speaker 3: So uh, thank you all for checking out this series.
Speaker 3: I will try to edit this and get it out
Speaker 3: either today or tomorrow, so this will be another extra
Speaker 3: I'm not looking to try to change up shows that
Speaker 3: already have scheduled and rearranging everything, so this just an
Speaker 3: extra episode. There's a quite possibility, a good possibility, that
Speaker 3: down the road we might be duing a part three,
Speaker 3: but yeah, so maybe keep your eyes off of that
Speaker 3: as well. But that's the end of another Recult Rejects.
Speaker 3: Thank you again Lisa for the topic. It was a
Speaker 3: good one and until the next one, everybody be well
Speaker 3: later