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<v Speaker 3>Themes the crack.

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<v Speaker 2>Contract.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to the Occult Rejects. So we're continuing off of

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<v Speaker 3>Maxwell's Medical Monopoly Part one. Will be continuing off of that,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully should be dropping this early. It won't be a

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<v Speaker 3>regular episode. And I think where we had left off

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<v Speaker 3>last is that I was going to be going into

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<v Speaker 3>some of the interesting stuff when you saw looking up

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<v Speaker 3>these companies with like business wise and start looking at

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<v Speaker 3>them on Bizipedia. I think I had even mentioned in

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<v Speaker 3>the last episode to start seeing some of some interesting

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<v Speaker 3>names that I had seen looking at plenty of other

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<v Speaker 3>weird companies in the past. I guess to get into it,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll bring up the first one, which will be a Springer.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we kind of talked about it lightly in

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<v Speaker 3>the last episode. I know Lisa had brought it up,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will go into them more. But Lisa, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want, if you don't mind, do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of like reiterate maybe what you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 3>last episode, and then I'll go into the sluds.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, just kind of like a bridge between two.

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<v Speaker 1>So remember last in the last episode, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how some of the British scientists like Fleming and Darwin's

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<v Speaker 1>grandson were talking. You know, basically they had all this

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<v Speaker 1>world renowned research coming out, yet they weren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>publish it because the publishing industry in Britain was lacking,

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<v Speaker 1>and so in order for the government to rectify this situation,

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<v Speaker 1>they called in another publishing company called Springer out of

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<v Speaker 1>Germany who was doing very well in the publishing industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and the person at the helm of Springer was Robert Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 1>He basically was bringing in a lot of the journals

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<v Speaker 1>into Britain from Germany, and he was stationed in Berlin

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<v Speaker 1>at the time because he was working with intelligence prior

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<v Speaker 1>to they had him there stationed. I believe he had

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<v Speaker 1>been doing integragations for the intelligence as well. And then

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<v Speaker 1>as he was working at Springer, the other company that

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<v Speaker 1>was wanting to merge with, which was Butterworths, was also

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<v Speaker 1>owned by intelligence people, so they knew him from, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working intelligence prior to and then the merger took place,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's how Springer comes onto the stage and

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<v Speaker 1>basically Springer teaches Butterworths, you know, how to get all

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<v Speaker 1>of these journals up and going, how to publish the

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<v Speaker 1>scientific data and get it up to speed the way

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<v Speaker 1>that Germany was doing it at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for that, I appreciate mm hm not bad

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<v Speaker 3>for the All right, So we'll get into some of

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff that I had on this, and here we

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<v Speaker 3>have Springer Verlag. I was founded May tenth, eighteen forty two.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Julius Springer. Country of origin Germany. The headquarters

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<v Speaker 3>location was Berlin and Heidelberg, Germany. Their non fiction topics

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<v Speaker 3>was science, technology, medicine, business, transport and architecture. Springer Science

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<v Speaker 3>and business media, commonly known as Springer, is a German

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<v Speaker 3>multinational publishing company of books ebooks in peer revered reviewed

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<v Speaker 3>journals in science, humanities, technical and medical publishing again. It

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<v Speaker 3>was originally founded in eighteen forty two in Berlin. It

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<v Speaker 3>expanded internationally in the nineteen sixties and through mergers in

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen nineties and a sale to venture capitalists. It

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<v Speaker 3>fused with Walter's Clure with somebody that we have mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>when we covered the Moose Lodge, and I will get

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<v Speaker 3>to them with the slides. And I think I even

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<v Speaker 3>had if I remember correctly, I do think I even

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<v Speaker 3>had Janet from de Plorable Nation even at some point

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<v Speaker 3>I think we added a snippet. She has even like

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<v Speaker 3>come across this company in the medical field in the

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<v Speaker 3>past at work, and I think she said that like

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<v Speaker 3>they used some sort of like messaging thing or there

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<v Speaker 3>was some sort of platform that they used that I

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<v Speaker 3>think would like let you even go of like communicate

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<v Speaker 3>from hospital hospital and you can look at stuff. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was like it was a program from Walter's Clure.

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<v Speaker 3>So I even found that very interesting. Yeah, that is yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But to get back to this, it eventually became part

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<v Speaker 3>of Springer Nature in twenty fifteen. Springer has major offices

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<v Speaker 3>in Berlin, Heidelberg, some other place I can't say, I

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<v Speaker 3>have no idea, and New York City. The other one

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<v Speaker 3>was like Dort Dort Dretch, something like that. Julius Springer

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<v Speaker 3>founded Springer Verlac and Berlin in eighteen forty two, and

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<v Speaker 3>his son Ferdinand Springer grew it from a small firm

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<v Speaker 3>with for employees into Germany's then second largest academic publisher

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<v Speaker 3>with sixty five staff in eighteen seventy two. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty four, x Springer expanded its business internationally, opening an

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<v Speaker 3>office in New York City, then eventually Tokyo, Paris, Milan,

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<v Speaker 3>Hong Kong and Delhi soon followed. In nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 3>the academic publishing company Artelsmann Springer was formed, and after

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<v Speaker 3>the media and entertainment company Bartelsman bought a majority stake

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<v Speaker 3>in Springer Verlac in two thousand and three, the British

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<v Speaker 3>investment groups Sinnvin and Candover bought Bartlesman Springer from Bartlesman.

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<v Speaker 3>He emerged the company in two thousand and four with

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<v Speaker 3>the Dutch publisher Clure Academic Publishers which they bought from

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<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and two to form Springer Science and

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<v Speaker 3>Business Media. That just all like sounds very weird to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it just sounds like a circle of like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like they're kind of evading things or change it

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<v Speaker 1>or it's all the same name, but it's all the same,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all different, so almost to avoid something. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how it sounds to me.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bertlesman s and the Company, commonly known as Bertlesman,

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<v Speaker 3>is a German private, multi national conglomerate corporation based in

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<v Speaker 3>god these words, Girderslaw, North Rhine Westphalia, Germany. It is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the world's largest media conglomerates, and it is

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<v Speaker 3>also active in the service sector and education. Bartlesman was

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<v Speaker 3>founded as a publishing house by CARLS. Bottoman in eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five. After World War II, Bottlesman, under the leadership

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<v Speaker 3>of Reinhard Mohn, went from being a medium sized enterprise

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<v Speaker 3>to a major conglomerate offering books but also television, radio, music,

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<v Speaker 3>magazine and services. Its principal divisions include the RTL Group, Penguin,

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<v Speaker 3>Random House, BMG, Arvado, the Bartlesmann Printing Group, the Bartlesman

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<v Speaker 3>Education Group and Bartlesman Investments. Bartlesman is an unlisted and

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<v Speaker 3>capital market oriented company which remains primarily controlled by the

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<v Speaker 3>Mohn family. In Nazi Germany, the publishing house gained a

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<v Speaker 3>prom position with its affordable Bottlesmen Vokes whatever People's edition.

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<v Speaker 3>Heinrich belonged to the patron circle of the SS and

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<v Speaker 3>sought to turn his company into a national Socialist model enterprise.

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<v Speaker 3>During World War Two, the Sea Bottlesman Verlog became a

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<v Speaker 3>leading supplier to the Wrmacht, the central publishing house of

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<v Speaker 3>the Nazi Party. It's pretty interesting. Yeah, in the years

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<v Speaker 3>between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty one, the revenues

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<v Speaker 3>of the Sea Bottlesman Verlog skyrock. Jeez, I wonder how.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seemed like the Germans had their shit together

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<v Speaker 1>with the publishing, with the science and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we recruit a bunch of them. They had their

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<v Speaker 1>stuff together. It seemed like, oh, yeah, I mean more

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<v Speaker 1>so than the Britain and the US. I will say

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<v Speaker 1>that for sure. Britain.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why I think, like sometimes it's just like

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<v Speaker 3>there a lot of a lot of I think, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of places kind of like run off of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hought to explain, but it's almost like it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they just allowed to be doing these things,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like we come up with these stories about

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's have to explain when I want

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<v Speaker 3>to get at but it just seems weird. In two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and six, Springer acquired who amount of press. Springer

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<v Speaker 3>acquired the open access publisher BioMed Central and October two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight for an undisclosed them out. Two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and nine, Sinvin and Candover sold Springer to two private

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<v Speaker 3>equity firms, EQT Partners and Government of Singapore Investment Corporation.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty eleven, Springer acquired Farmer marketing and publishing services from

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<v Speaker 3>Walter's Klure. In twenty and thirteen, the London based private

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<v Speaker 3>equity firm BC Partners acquired a majority stake in spring

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<v Speaker 3>Are from EQT and CIG for four point four billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of money, ye that I liked that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that four four yea. In January twenty fifteen, hold Spring

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<v Speaker 3>Publishing Group, Nature Publishing Group and Springer Science and Business

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<v Speaker 3>Media announced the merger. In May twenty fifteen, they concluded

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<v Speaker 3>the transaction and formed a new joint venture company, Spring

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<v Speaker 3>of Nature with hold Spring. So what I did want

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<v Speaker 3>to show here is that I have up this again

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<v Speaker 3>does go back to companies that I've come across multiple

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<v Speaker 3>and multiple times with secret societies, publishing companies. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Randall Nordica just like a lot of things that like

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<v Speaker 3>when we started looking at like in the first year

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<v Speaker 3>of the Occult Rejects, where we did like a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of deep dive on secret societies or topics when we

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<v Speaker 3>would look into the business aspect, these were common names

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<v Speaker 3>that came up, and I can at least add to

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more of an understanding maybe what we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing here because of my own personal experience. Now you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Occult Rejects, it is an LLC no. So like

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<v Speaker 3>I when I went to go get it, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, you know, I actually had to understand what

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<v Speaker 3>the hell is a registered agent? You know, I really

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't actually too sure about that to begin with. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're in a call look cup of the Occult Rejects,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to have a registered agent, it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>zen business. That's because I actually don't feel like having

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<v Speaker 3>my personal address actually on that. So you can use

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<v Speaker 3>a registered agent for an AM to be anonymous. And

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<v Speaker 3>they also not that I needed it for this reason.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, depending on what type of company you have,

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<v Speaker 3>the registered agent will also make sure you're incomplet wianes

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<v Speaker 3>with that like field or whatever, or you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>business you're running. You know, if you're being specific with them,

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<v Speaker 3>they will make sure that they you know, this business

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be in compliance. So like these registered agents,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean in some sense or even a way just

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<v Speaker 3>to you have no idea really who actually owns these

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<v Speaker 3>these companies. Famous people could actually be owning some of

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<v Speaker 3>these companies, but we'd have no idea. Because they're using

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<v Speaker 3>a registered agent, they don't have to disclose themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, almost like a virtual address, Yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It Yeah, and then and then if you think about that,

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<v Speaker 3>more than likely these places are going to be in

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<v Speaker 3>every single state because there's different LLCs for every state,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, different laws like that you have to like

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<v Speaker 3>in New York to get an LLC, you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 3>to actually advertise somewhere that this LLC is being formed.

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<v Speaker 3>I like, I think in Texas you don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>worry about that. So that's like a five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 3>chunk right there. It's almost half the LLC cost, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>is the publishing part. And then if you don't take

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<v Speaker 3>a registered ation, it's even cheaper as shit, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>if they're offering to do this, they must be in

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, no no, And they want to make it

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<v Speaker 3>So I when I actually it was like as a

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<v Speaker 3>have been more because you know the company, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>see CT Corporation pop up for a lot of shady

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<v Speaker 3>companies that we have looked into. And this other one

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<v Speaker 3>too that you will see with spring of our Lag.

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<v Speaker 3>You have corporation service company. That is another one that

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the usual suspects that I had seen before. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Was that they're using the same not shady at all.

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<v Speaker 3>This one's Springer Verlag registered agent. Corporation service company that

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<v Speaker 3>I have up is Springer Nature. It was privately held.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, I'm not even gonna try to read off

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<v Speaker 3>those words. It's the headquarters is in London, the corporate

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<v Speaker 3>place is in Berlin. There's a salesplace in New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>They supposedly offer worldwide service. One of the key people

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't. Revenue was two zero point one billion in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two owners fifty three percent is whol Spring

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<v Speaker 3>Publishing Group, and then forty seven percent is PC Partners,

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<v Speaker 3>and the number of employees in twenty nineteen supposedly ten thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Springer Nature or the Springer Nature Group is a German

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<v Speaker 3>British academic publishing company created by the May twenty and

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen mergerer of Springer Science and Business Media and hold

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<v Speaker 3>Spring Publishing Groups, Nature Publishing Group and this is interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Grave, mcmillion and Macmillian Education very interesting. The company

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<v Speaker 3>originates from a number of journals and publishing houses, notably

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<v Speaker 3>two by Julius Springer, and Berlin the Nature Publishing Group

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<v Speaker 3>in Macmillion Education, which goes back to Macmillion publishers founded

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<v Speaker 3>in eighteen fifty eighteen forty three. Now these macmillion books

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that. And I think one other one that's like

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<v Speaker 3>really well known. I can't remember the name of it

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<v Speaker 3>for the life of me right now, but I know

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<v Speaker 3>mcmillion for sure. It was all of my schools. Spring

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<v Speaker 3>of Nature was formed in twenty fifteen by the merger

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<v Speaker 3>of Nature Publishing Group, Palgrave, mcmillion and mcmillion Education held

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<v Speaker 3>by Holtzburg Publishing Group, with Spring of Science and Business

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<v Speaker 3>Media held by the BC Partners. So I was even

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<v Speaker 3>more of a way of like showing you how it

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<v Speaker 3>was broken down which company had which ones under them.

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<v Speaker 3>But again that was that is a publishing company for

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<v Speaker 3>schools for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think was it Prentice Hill or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Was whole That's a yes, And that's we actually looked

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<v Speaker 3>into them at one point. They might even that might

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<v Speaker 3>even pop up on here. I could I could be forgetting,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do know that is another one that has

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<v Speaker 3>come up, and that he even covered a book that

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<v Speaker 3>was under the DEVI was, you know, from them technically, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>in the past with me and looks uh, I'll go

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<v Speaker 3>on to the next one. Here's Wolter's Clere that I

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<v Speaker 3>had mentioned before, as you can see here registered ag

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<v Speaker 3>CT Corporation again. And you got a bunch of them

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<v Speaker 3>up on the screen. You know, a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>different states. Some of them are active, some of them

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<v Speaker 3>merged withdrawn dead active. But uh, there's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>them here and a little bit about them. Walter's Clre

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<v Speaker 3>registered Agent CT Corp. In nineteen ninety nine. The academic

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<v Speaker 3>publishing company Bartlesman Springer was formed after the media and

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<v Speaker 3>entertainment company Bartlesman bought a majority stake in Spring of Verlac.

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<v Speaker 3>In two thousand and three, the British investment groups Siven

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<v Speaker 3>and Candover bought Bartlsman Springer from Bartlesman. They e merged

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<v Speaker 3>the company in two thousand and four with the Dutch

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<v Speaker 3>publisher Chlora Academic Publishers, which they bought from in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and two to form Springer Science and Business Media.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty eleven, Springer acquired Farmer marketing and publishing services

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<v Speaker 3>from Walter's Color. I know some of this I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm just saying it again, so people have a

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<v Speaker 3>really good understanding of what I'm showing here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>It shows the connection for sure, how they all tie

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<v Speaker 1>into each other. You're seeing evidence of it on the screen.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we have here the whold Spring Publishing Group

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<v Speaker 3>when you look them up there, registered agent is the

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<v Speaker 3>Printics Hole and Corporation System, Inc. In Holtspurt Publishing Group

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<v Speaker 3>Ayeah the Printings holl Is the registered agent is A

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<v Speaker 3>publishing group is a privately held Germany company headquartered in

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<v Speaker 3>Stuttgart that owns publishing companies worldwide through mcmillion Publishers. Is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the big five English language publishing companies. In

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fifteen emerged most of its macmillion Science and Education unit,

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<v Speaker 3>including Nature Publishing Group, with Springer Science and Business Media,

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<v Speaker 3>creating the company Springer Nature. Hold Spring owns fifty three

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the combined company. The history of Greg Vaughan

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<v Speaker 3>holdspring publishing activities during the Nazi years nineteen thirty three

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<v Speaker 3>and nineteen forty five has been controversial. After World War II,

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<v Speaker 3>George Vaughan Holdspring, a former member of the Nazi Party,

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<v Speaker 3>re established the group in nineteen forty eight, beginning as

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<v Speaker 3>a German book club. In the nineteen sixties, it purchased

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<v Speaker 3>the German publishing companies Dromer, Kindler, Rohwaldt and s Fischer vers.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty five, it acquired the retail book division

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<v Speaker 3>Holt Book Company. One year later, the company acquired Scientific

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<v Speaker 3>American Magazine for fifty two point six million. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety four, purchased a majority interest in Ferrara, Strauss and

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<v Speaker 3>Guiro from a retiring Roger W. Strauss junior. A year later,

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<v Speaker 3>it purchased a seventy percent majority interest in mcmillion Publishers,

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<v Speaker 3>and then the remaining shares in nineteen ninety nine. In

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one, Pearson sold the mcmillion trademark in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, gained with the acquisition of Simon and

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<v Speaker 3>Schuster Educational and Professional Division, which included the assets of

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<v Speaker 3>form of the former mcmillion, Inc. So I'm sure a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of this is probably like, what the Hell's very confusing,

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<v Speaker 3>but I mean literally, it's like you're just watching publishing

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<v Speaker 3>companies devour each other and just get bigger and bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think control more and more of just what's

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<v Speaker 3>getting put out there. In two thousand and one, Spring

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<v Speaker 3>of Nature acquired Atlantis Press, an open access publisher founded

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand founded in two thousand and six in Paris,

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on scientific, technical, and medical content and publication for

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<v Speaker 3>conference proceedings Real Quick. Simon and Shuster is an American

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<v Speaker 3>publishing company owned by owned by Colberg Cravis Roberts. It

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<v Speaker 3>was founded in New York City on January two, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four, by Richard L. Simon and M. Lincoln Schuster.

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<v Speaker 3>Along with Penguin, Random House, Hatchet, Harper Collins, and mcmillion published.

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<v Speaker 3>Simon and Schuster is considered one of the Big five

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<v Speaker 3>English language publishers. As of twenty seventeen, Simon and Schuster

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand titles annually under thirty five different imprints. Colbird,

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<v Speaker 3>Cravis Roberts and Company is an American global investment company

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<v Speaker 3>that manages multiple alternative asset classes, including private equity, energy, infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 3>real estate, credit, and through its strategic partners, head funds

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<v Speaker 3>hedge funds. As of December thirty first, twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>the firm had completed more than six hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 3>private equity investments in portfolio companies with approximately seven hundred

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, assets under AUM under management and fee

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<v Speaker 3>paying assets under and under management, we're five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>These aren't no small companies, like they're just making handover fist.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's beyond Moose Lodge money. Nobody gets that. When

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<v Speaker 3>we covered the Moose Lodge, we just thought it was interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>how like you know, if some people don't know this too,

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<v Speaker 3>you can go to Guide Star and like if there's

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<v Speaker 3>any place that's like kind of using a religious exemption

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<v Speaker 3>for taxes or whatever, you can go look up and

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<v Speaker 3>they have to actually show proof of like how much

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<v Speaker 3>they're making and where their money's going. And like the Shriners,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, everybody thinks of them. I was

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<v Speaker 3>like all these rich motherfuckers. I mean, yeah, they did

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<v Speaker 3>have a little bit of money when you started looking

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<v Speaker 3>them up on there, But like when me and Lux

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<v Speaker 3>went and looked up like the Moose Lodge, it was

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<v Speaker 3>like ridiculous amounts of money, and I was like, nobody

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<v Speaker 3>even knows who the hell these people are. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like billions, yeah, and I was like, yo, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I wonder is this even like money laundering from

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<v Speaker 3>like one set of like the Mason's, like funneling their

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<v Speaker 1>Area and then getting the break because.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because yeah, yeah, I mean you'll keep getting deductions,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll keep saving money. Uh, all right, mcmillion education. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that is the next line, mcmillion education. And here

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<v Speaker 3>you go. The registered agent is Corporation Service Company and

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<v Speaker 3>United States Corporation Company. I was not going to dig

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<v Speaker 3>into it as much with the United States Corporation Company

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<v Speaker 3>as much as that lux had spent in it could

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<v Speaker 3>have been the Moose Lodge. I don't remember exactly what series,

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<v Speaker 3>but we started to come across that United States Corporation

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<v Speaker 3>Company and we're like, yo, what is up with this?

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<v Speaker 3>And I do know after a while we both kind

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<v Speaker 3>of came across the same thing. I just wasn't trying

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<v Speaker 3>to look for it this time, because it did take

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<v Speaker 3>find it. But uh, and you know, there is like

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<v Speaker 3>clippings of things too, that I think you can even

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<v Speaker 3>find like it like printed on paper. Who knows if

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<v Speaker 3>it's legit, But as far as we knew from the

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<v Speaker 3>research that we dug into with the United States Corporation Company,

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<v Speaker 3>that I mean, as far as we were considered when

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<v Speaker 3>we looked into it, that's actually the United States government.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we got out of it. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>weird shit to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we could be wrong and correct me if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, and I could be completely confusing this. But

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<v Speaker 1>then we discussed it how it links back to like

418
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<v Speaker 1>a mobile abandoned mobile home or something on a lot

419
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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't even look like it's.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it was that one, but there

421
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 3>was like a lot of like if you were to

422
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 3>even go and start looking at some of these addresses

423
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:06.799
<v Speaker 3>for these companies, There's been plenty of times where I

424
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 3>have looked up Corporation Service Company or CT Corp. Could

425
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 3>have been the United States Corp. Too, But like there

426
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<v Speaker 3>was times in all this series is where we'll show

427
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>like these things are like registered to a plot of

428
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 3>land that's not there, or like or like an apartment

429
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 3>complex like housing like apartment complex. It's like, what the hell, Yeah,

430
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>which is very weird, all right, So yeah, this is

431
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.400
<v Speaker 3>showing you know, the United States Corporation two up on

432
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 3>here with Corporation Service Company. So I thought that was

433
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 3>interesting to show, and I know I already kind of

434
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:47.960
<v Speaker 3>went into it already and not to like be the

435
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 3>dead horse, but I'll probably cut down on some of this.

436
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Mcmillion Inc. Was an American book publishing company, originally originally

437
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:59.720
<v Speaker 3>established as the American division of the British mcmillion Publishers.

438
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 3>The two were later separated acquired by other companies, with

439
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.880
<v Speaker 3>the remnants of the original American division of mcmillion present

440
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 3>in McGraw That's what it was.

441
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>That's it, Yeah, McGraw in.

442
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 3>McGraw Hill's Educations, mcmillion McGraw hill Textbooks. Just crazy, so

443
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 3>like even though there are two different books, it's like

444
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 3>the same company anyway. Wow, Gail mcmillion's Reference USA division

445
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.559
<v Speaker 3>and some trade imprints of Simon and Schuster that were

446
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 3>transferred when both companies were owned by Paramount Communications. The

447
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.440
<v Speaker 3>German publisher Holt Spring, which bought the British mcmillion in

448
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety nine purchased US rights to the mcmillion name

449
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.599
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and one and rebranded its American division

450
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 3>with it. In two thousand and seven, the company was

451
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 3>acquired by the controversial British tycoon Robert Maxwell's Maxwell Communication

452
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Corporation andineteen eighty nine. Later in nineteen eighty nine, mcmillion

453
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>acquired Printin's whole information from Simon and Schuster. Maxwell died

454
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety one, and mcmillion began selling properties and

455
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 3>eventually filed for bankruptcy. Paramount acquired mcmillion computer publishing standard

456
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.359
<v Speaker 3>rate and data service was sold TOAG, a sister Maxwell company.

457
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 3>Collier's Encyclopedia was sold to Planeta and d Agostini, when

458
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 3>what remaining of the mcmillion Inc. Was eventually sold to

459
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Simon and Schuster and Paramount Communications for five hundred and

460
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 3>fifty two point eight million, and that was finalized in

461
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety four. I guess I'll just get on to

462
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>some more of the slides. Pretty much done with that,

463
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.559
<v Speaker 3>and this was like some things that I did find

464
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<v Speaker 3>because I just started to run some of the stuff

465
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 3>through bizipedia, because like I remember that I did this

466
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.160
<v Speaker 3>stuff in the past. I just wasn't gonna try to

467
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<v Speaker 3>start going through like I have like three or four

468
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 3>different types of like portable hard drives or whatever, so

469
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 3>like I'd have to start going through like old stuff

470
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 3>and like odds odds are back then. I who knows,

471
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 3>it was probably a mess of screenshots saved as my notes.

472
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.240
<v Speaker 3>So I was just like it would be quicker and

473
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.480
<v Speaker 3>easier just for me to just start running things through

474
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Bizipedia and just hoping I come across it. Which I

475
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 3>was like thinking, I don't think this is too hard

476
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 3>since we saw it constantly. So here we go. We

477
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 3>do have loyal Order of the Moose, and I mean

478
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 3>even the Ethica Lodge number six sixty six, that is

479
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 3>to New York that is CT Corporation system. It's a

480
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 3>registered agent. It even shows here for like Coon Rappers

481
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 3>number thirty eight, Loyal Order of the Moose CT Corporation,

482
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 3>another one seven seventy CT Corporation, Cumberland Lodge, CT Corporation,

483
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Pulham County CTO Corporation, Athens Moose Lodge, CT Corporation. You know,

484
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 3>it's like you would even think, like I mean, I

485
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>guess like if you just went and buzipitiate it. You'd

486
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.000
<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, that's who everybody else is using. But

487
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:24.079
<v Speaker 3>it's like almost like you're like, do they all know

488
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 3>to use this? Oh, if you're opening up a lodge,

489
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.799
<v Speaker 3>you know, maybe we suggest to use this or.

490
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<v Speaker 1>Or are people from the Order of the Moose members

491
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>involved in all this other stuff that we're talking about now,

492
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, Hey, this is a good company. I

493
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>use them all the time, right, they have great customer services.

494
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>They've been working great for Walter's Glory this whole time. Uh.

495
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Here we got the National Court of the Royal Order

496
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 3>of Jesters that is a CT corporation system in Minnesota.

497
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 3>And then we have a printice Hole Princess Whole that

498
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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned before, registered agent, Corporation Service Company, and United

499
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.319
<v Speaker 3>States Corporation Company. So that's who the registered agents are

500
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 3>for this company. According to this.

501
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like they switched them out, yeah, right, like

502
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>they just round robin it or something.

503
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 3>And then the Corporation Service Company that we mentioned before,

504
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 3>the registered agents for that company is the Printin's Hole

505
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 3>in the United States Corporation.

506
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<v Speaker 1>That's so odd.

507
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:36.680
<v Speaker 3>And the United States Corporation Company the registered agent for

508
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 3>that is Printin's all and Corporation Service Company, United States

509
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Corporation Company at same address as Corporation Service Company.

510
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<v Speaker 1>One would think they're all the same.

511
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<v Speaker 3>This was like a thing that me and lux had

512
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>even I think this was all in the same episode.

513
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<v Speaker 3>I really wish I could remember exactly what episode was

514
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.000
<v Speaker 3>so I could tell people to go look at it.

515
00:33:58.319 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 3>But I have a feeling that it might be the

516
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 3>need either the mouse Lage or possibly like random Nordica.

517
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 3>You know, we started noticing that there is just like

518
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 3>a cycle of like the it's almost like each one

519
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 3>is like really, it's like it's like a circle of

520
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 3>a company's owning each other. Luxe had. He even went

521
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 3>to the points of like going to these companies sites

522
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and like looking at who like the coos and the

523
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>CEOs and all these other people. I'm like, you were

524
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.760
<v Speaker 3>getting some of the same dudes on the same sites.

525
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 3>They may not have been in the same position, but

526
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 3>you'll see some of them are like on you know,

527
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 3>the same top positions, and you're like, yeah, yo, this

528
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 3>don't look right. This is like like a circle jerk

529
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<v Speaker 3>of companies.

530
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you see that a lot with nonprofit medical

531
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 1>organizations as well.

532
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just very weird again. Hear me pull up back

533
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:52.280
<v Speaker 3>that slide again. You know all these other corporation service companies,

534
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>ct Core, Printensile all very weird, shady, you know, they

535
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 3>all pop up. It was registered agents for weird stuff

536
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:08.800
<v Speaker 3>that we decided to look at with the businesses. Now

537
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.840
<v Speaker 3>I have here, I keep going correct, all right, here

538
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I got now we did have you know what, I'm

539
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna be honest, I'm not even exactly sure how to

540
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 3>say the name correctly, but well, no, from the guests

541
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:31.000
<v Speaker 3>the listener, it was baby Bebi or baby.

542
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 1>If we're getting it wrong, I'm so sorry.

543
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean for a while I thought you were

544
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.039
<v Speaker 3>a dude.

545
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So I have a cousin that we used to call

546
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>her Beby, and that's how we would spell her name,

547
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's why I thought it was BB.

548
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, but she had some information. She was over

549
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 3>on the other side of the pond at some point

550
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 3>and did know of like other companies that Maxwell was

551
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 3>involved in. And I had to look him up and

552
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 3>there was like some other companies that he did have,

553
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 3>and uh, you know, it was some rabbit holes that

554
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I even went down with some of that that I

555
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 3>don't know if I was even looking at something that

556
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 3>was weird or not, but you know I did. There

557
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 3>is some stuff that I'll cover. I didn't want to

558
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 3>get too crazy and even me at least, we're just

559
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 3>going to find weird stuff that I think we might

560
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 3>bring up, but can go even deeper and weirder. But

561
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:22.760
<v Speaker 3>from the company history site and you have here the

562
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.639
<v Speaker 3>two instances of unusual and unexpected publicity arrived at site

563
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:32.039
<v Speaker 3>Tech's doorstep in nineteen ninety one. The first occurred amidst

564
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 3>the Gulf War, when schools shut down throughout Israel. Although

565
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a scud missile landed one thousand yards from company headquarters,

566
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Site Texts continued business as usual and hired one hundred

567
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 3>and fifty teachers to set up makeshift classrooms in a

568
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 3>sealed bomb shelter on corporate grounds so parents could still

569
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>come to work. The second surface near the end of

570
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>the year in November, when British tycoon Robert Maxwell died

571
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 3>mysteriously at sea. His holdings in side text were considerable,

572
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.719
<v Speaker 3>amounting to some twenty seven percent of the company stock.

573
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.280
<v Speaker 3>And here you do see side Texts and some of

574
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 3>the information about them. It's basically like a site I

575
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 3>guess for over there, kind of like bizipedia to give

576
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 3>you some ideas of like who owns the company. And

577
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 3>then there is even the news article Maxwell the Master

578
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 3>of Deceit in the the Financial Times. This is January

579
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 3>January eighteenth, nineteen ninety two, ten am. In many ways,

580
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Maxwell's fraud was breathtakingly simple. On July fourth, nineteen ninety one,

581
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 3>for example, the late publisher sat at his desk in

582
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 3>his office at Maxwell House and signed over seventy five

583
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 3>million of his pensions money to himself. The contract, drawn

584
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 3>up under Maxwell's instructions, was for the sale of shares

585
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 3>in Side Text, a high flying Israeli printing company. On

586
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:08.440
<v Speaker 3>one side of the contract was Bishopsgate Investment Management, the

587
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 3>private Maxwell company which managed the seven hundred million in

588
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:17.079
<v Speaker 3>the pension funds of the public Maxwell companies on behalf

589
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 3>of three hundred thirty thousand past and past and present pensioners.

590
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 3>BIM owned the site Text shares. On the other side

591
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 3>was Robert Maxwell Group, the company at the heart of

592
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Maxwell's secretive business labyrinth, whose ultimate owners lay in the

593
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 3>tax havens of Gibraltar and Leichenstein. Maxwell signed the contract

594
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 3>as chairman of BIM. He then signed it again as

595
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:54.159
<v Speaker 3>chairman of Robert Maxwell Group. The pension funds would hand

596
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 3>over their shares in side text to Robert Maxwell Group

597
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 3>to sell in the stock market. The pension funds behalf.

598
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, I mean just sounds like this guy's

599
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 3>like basically playing games. Uh, this is what we're supposed

600
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 3>to happen. Robert Maxwell Group duly sold the shares on

601
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 3>October ninth at the enormous profit, but instead of giving

602
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 3>the money back to the pension funds, Robert Maxwell Group

603
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 3>gave the money to its banks to pay off debts.

604
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.159
<v Speaker 3>Maxwell's actions was not illegal at the time. However, when

605
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 3>on his death his bankrupt companies could not repay the

606
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 3>pension funds, the PSYE Tech's laws proved to be the

607
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:44.199
<v Speaker 3>single biggest hole blasted in the pension funds.

608
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine?

609
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeh yeah, So, I mean, uh, you know that that's

610
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm showing you right there. Obviously he did was involved

611
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 3>with that company. Now this I you know, I typed

612
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Speaker 3>inside text into bizipedia and now the only thing that

613
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 3>came up would be this one site Text America Corp. Now,

614
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea if it's the same thing per se.

615
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 3>It very much could be, and I'm questioning it, but

616
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.719
<v Speaker 3>I I do if it's not, I mean, it's wild.

617
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 3>How I do find it interesting that it's registered agent

618
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 3>is also CT Corporation system It's like almost seeing that

619
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 3>makes me think like it probably is. But I could

620
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 3>be wrong, you know, I'm saying, there's the benefit of

621
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:36.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, a yeah.

622
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

623
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<v Speaker 3>Then there are these two that came up, and those

624
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 3>were also CT Corporation Systems. And here we have he

625
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 3>also had Maxwell Communications and Maxwell Multimedia. So a news

626
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<v Speaker 3>article over here that shows you know something about that

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<v Speaker 3>he was involved with those companies. Uh. And then over

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<v Speaker 3>here on the right, I did look up Maxwell Communications, Inc.

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<v Speaker 3>And that does come up, and it's in Houston, Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, Maxwell's Communication, incs Uh. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna read off this whole thing here, but if you

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<v Speaker 3>look at the site, you know, it's got this person's name,

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<v Speaker 3>it's got the address, the registered agent, the principal, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the well, you know, the principal address. And down here

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<v Speaker 3>I'll have the director's name and it has his address

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<v Speaker 3>and the director's addresses ups. One interesting thing to do

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<v Speaker 3>with that too, is that I you know what. Unfortunately

638
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<v Speaker 3>because of the the picture and I lost it in

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<v Speaker 3>my notes, you might remember the name better. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you do look at this, at this picture, you could

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<v Speaker 3>see like two doors down or a door down from

642
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<v Speaker 3>the UPS is.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was interesting. You do have like a

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<v Speaker 3>Jewish temple right correctly?

646
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, like a synagogue?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I forgot the name of it, but there is

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<v Speaker 3>one there, so I mean, I thought that was weird

649
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<v Speaker 3>because that was another company I did not know exist

650
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 3>until this listener sent it to me. I could not

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<v Speaker 3>really find out anything about it. But I did find

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<v Speaker 3>this and I just thought it was interesting, how like

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<v Speaker 3>the director's the address of a UPS place next to it?

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<v Speaker 1>It was called the Mereland Minyon Synagogue and it's literally

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<v Speaker 1>the next door, like it's the UPS store. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like a Boba tee or something. Maybe not,

657
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<v Speaker 1>but it's something.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like a playoff for the MM.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then it has the M as a logo,

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<v Speaker 1>like a like two arches with an M in the center.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the name Mereland Mignon is so that's two

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<v Speaker 1>MS synagogue, gotcha?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here was another thing at It was interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll throw this in and then I'm pretty much done

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll shut up. I think this is rather interesting

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<v Speaker 3>again if this is truthful. But this is coming out

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<v Speaker 3>of if I remember correctly, and Bby or Baby had

668
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<v Speaker 3>sent me this, it came out of I think Maxwell's

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<v Speaker 3>wife's biography or something like that, and in the a

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00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 3>mind of my own. And here we have on page

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<v Speaker 3>forty nine. What was interesting to say? If Bob had

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to organize his own funeral, even he an unquestionably

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<v Speaker 3>superb organizer with an eye for both detail and pageantry,

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<v Speaker 3>cannot have thought of a more spectacular laying to rest

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<v Speaker 3>in the place of his choice, Nor could he have

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<v Speaker 3>ever dreamt of the role nature would play in that

677
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<v Speaker 3>unforgettable event. He would have been proud of the homage

678
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<v Speaker 3>Israel had paid him. It would in some way have

679
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<v Speaker 3>soothed the wound afflicted on him by the Nazis murder

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<v Speaker 3>of his family. I mean, this guy was friends with

681
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<v Speaker 3>plenty of them, though, wasn't He seems like as long

682
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<v Speaker 3>as his business at this point the and this is

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<v Speaker 3>on page forty three. I think this is interesting if

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<v Speaker 3>this is truthful. I think this kind of shows like

685
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<v Speaker 3>the people he was connected with maybe. At this point,

686
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<v Speaker 3>the crowd started to file past, slowly moving along the line,

687
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 3>shaking our hands. There was Kevin, then Ian, then me, Gizlaine,

688
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<v Speaker 3>Isabelle and Philip and Sylvia other members of our family

689
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<v Speaker 3>formed the second row, while the third consisted of close friends, ministers,

690
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<v Speaker 3>and members of these Israeli government headed by President Herzog

691
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<v Speaker 3>and Prime Minister Yitzak Shmir. I'm saying that correctly. Scheiman Perez,

692
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<v Speaker 3>the leader of the opposition Ehud Olmert, Minister of Health,

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<v Speaker 3>moish Ahearns, Minister of Defense, Ariel Sharon, former Minister of Defense,

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<v Speaker 3>and countless others. Then came more close friends who had

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<v Speaker 3>traveled from a far field to be with us. Not

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<v Speaker 3>going to read on the rest. Basically just wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>show if that supposedly all those people came. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sounds like he had some important people coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he did.

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<v Speaker 3>So a very interesting character, and that is it out

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<v Speaker 3>of me. It was just well until the end, then

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get into some of the weird stuff, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>back saw on some of the things that I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>to mention but kind of walk you through the timeline

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<v Speaker 1>again and kind of build up into some of the

707
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<v Speaker 1>weird stuff that happened towards the end of the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>and then into the eighties and then at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of his untimely death. So in the nineteen fifties you

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<v Speaker 1>had him and Paul form Perma Press, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Rosebud he basically set the foundation to establish Pergonans

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<v Speaker 1>success in that he created a need for new journals,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about that how they were just making

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<v Speaker 1>journals out of a field and saying, hey, you need

715
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<v Speaker 1>this new journal, and previously scientific journals were not being

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<v Speaker 1>published as fast. So the way he did this was

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00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:22.519
<v Speaker 1>he would find a new or he would approach a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent scientist in a field and then tell him that

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<v Speaker 1>that field needed a new journal, and then he would

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<v Speaker 1>place that person at the helm or at the head

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<v Speaker 1>of the journal, kind of like, hey, you know you

722
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<v Speaker 1>need this journal, but we're going to put you in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of it. And then turn around and go to

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<v Speaker 1>the university library and say, hey, you just acquired a

725
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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of funding from the government that we're creating

726
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 1>a new journal. You're the editor of it, you know

727
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>is in your school, you should totally start start subscribing

728
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<v Speaker 1>to it. And so he kind of had like like

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00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.719
<v Speaker 1>a business system going right, and it seemed all legit

730
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<v Speaker 1>on the up and up. It kind of was a

731
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<v Speaker 1>little bit of schmoozing. But what stend up happening is

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<v Speaker 1>Maxwell took that and like put on steroids or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But prior to that, Maxwell and Paul in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five attended the first Geneva Conference on Peaceful Uses of

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<v Speaker 1>Atomic Energy. Now, prior to that was the Geneva Accords,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it would be in nineteen fifty five the

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<v Speaker 1>Geneva Conference, and then that would go on for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years before it turned into the Geneva Convention. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know about the Geneva Convention. Well, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen fifty five conference is Maxwell rented an office

741
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<v Speaker 1>near the conference and he would wander into these seminars

742
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and like official functions or guest speaking to do dinners,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would approach scientists and offer to publish the

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00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 1>paper that they were there to present and then ask

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<v Speaker 1>for exclusive contracts for these scientists to be editors on

746
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Pergramont Journal. So he was like, right, there and then

747
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 1>like sign being an editor, let me get your paper published,

748
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>and basically you know, doing the deal the transaction there.

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<v Speaker 1>And this pissed off like a lot of directors of

750
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the journals were competing journals and saying that Maxwell's dishonest,

751
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 1>like he doesn't even look to see if the data

752
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>is publishable. He doesn't even know if the experimental design

753
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>is even like worth even looking into, or that the

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00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>data is valid or anything like that. So he had

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00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the complete disregard. He just wanted to get their papers

756
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 1>in and publish and then also get contracts with these

757
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:33.320
<v Speaker 1>scientists as editors. And this also pissed off Paul as well.

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<v Speaker 1>His the guy who he started program on pressed with

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00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and saying that basically, like here he was growing these

760
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>like little small u lambs and that essentially Maxwell was

761
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the butcher and selling them off for like a larger profit.

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<v Speaker 1>So he felt already like he was being way too

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive and so didn't really like the whole situation. So

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and Robert Maxwell have all out in nineteen fifty six,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul leaves the company and then Maxwell basically just takes

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<v Speaker 1>that and, like I said, puts the whole business model

767
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<v Speaker 1>on steroids. So the following year, nineteen fifty six, Maxwell

768
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<v Speaker 1>goes back to the same Geneva conference, but this time,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of renting an office, he rents a lake house

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<v Speaker 1>near the conference and starts bringing scientists back to this house.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was entertaining them with alcohol, cigars, like sailboat

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<v Speaker 1>trips and all kinds of schmoozing or whatever or something.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, no science had seen anything like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and definitely no scientists had ever attended a conference that

775
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>was like this, so he I mean, it was all

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00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 1>a novelty for them. And I think there were stories

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<v Speaker 1>of like there were parties at the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>Athens Hilton, you know, like certain scientists were getting gifts

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<v Speaker 1>of concord flights. If some of these scientists agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>be editors of a new journal, he would send them

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<v Speaker 1>on a tour of the Greek islands to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>new journals. I mean, just all complete, like just lavishing them,

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<v Speaker 1>and no expense was too great to basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for these scientists. So I'm assuming they felt like, oh wow,

785
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<v Speaker 1>this is this is big time, this is a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and so therefore they would just agree and sign over

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<v Speaker 1>the contract or or sign the contract rather, so.

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<v Speaker 3>You wonder if there was like maybe, uh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I know this is more of Epsteinish idea or thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>But look at these parties where they could have been

791
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<v Speaker 3>any blackmail done.

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<v Speaker 1>Then okay, that's where I think. This is where I

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<v Speaker 1>want My theory is that this was the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>those parties. I think it was a way to get

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<v Speaker 1>everybody to let their hair down and start, you know,

796
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<v Speaker 1>loose lips, right, spilling things. This is I think, and

797
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<v Speaker 1>we'll see as we go further. This this is where

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00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Robert Maxwell starts finding out insider stuff, insider stuff of

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on in science, who's doing, what company is

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<v Speaker 1>coming available, or what business is going to get started

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot. I think this is where he was a

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<v Speaker 1>because if you read his resume, it looks like he

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<v Speaker 1>had his ear to the ground and he was always

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<v Speaker 1>right there waiting in the wings to take full advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of something new and up and coming. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it was that. I think these parties were It

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<v Speaker 1>was intel, and then it served a second purpose in

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<v Speaker 1>that if it was in a compromising situation, these scientists

809
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<v Speaker 1>are now in the pocket, right And then as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>later his links to intelligence and the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>was being surveilled for certain things. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>what these parties were for, and it pretty much was

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<v Speaker 1>a precursor to the Epstein parties my opinion. So development, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so as a shot. No, no, no, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that was a really good question, because I think that's

816
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<v Speaker 1>exactly what it was. So by the end of the fifties,

817
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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty nine, Pergrima was publishing forty journals, and

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<v Speaker 1>in ten years in nineteen sixty nine, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be publishing one hundred and fifty. In comparison, Elseieber, who

820
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<v Speaker 1>we talked about in the previous episode, they were only

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<v Speaker 1>publishing like ten journals in nineteen fifty nine, and in

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, like in nineteen sixty nine, they would only

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<v Speaker 1>barely get to fifty. So he was outpacing the entire competition.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing was that he was so scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, in general have a different mindset in that

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<v Speaker 1>they they had like well, I think they had this

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<v Speaker 1>benevolence factor sort of in that I have all this work,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to contribute it to the scientific community. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be a part of the collective and be

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<v Speaker 1>able to contribute, right, but that they want some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of prestige with it. And I think Maxwell capitalize on

832
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that form of psychology with the scientists themselves, in that

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00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>they want to collaborate and they want to be seen

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00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 1>on the international stage. And this was how scientists viewed

835
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.199
<v Speaker 1>what it was to be prestigious, right, their work to

836
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>be considered prestigious. So Maxwell had like this pr trick

837
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that he would do. And so when he would create

838
00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 1>a new journal, he would name it the International Journal

839
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:31.880
<v Speaker 1>of So let's just say there was a journal of

840
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 1>cardiovascular surgery. Well, he would create a journal. They would

841
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>say International Journal of Cardiovascular Surgery, right, And so all

842
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, everybody wants to be on the international one,

843
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. And so he's not taking

844
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:50.320
<v Speaker 1>competition away, if anything, he's adding more because more people

845
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 1>are submitting. So there was that I guess PR tactic

846
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 1>to kind of do. And so he started cornering a

847
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.800
<v Speaker 1>market that didn't exis so he created it, cornered it,

848
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and then took full advantage of it, which is somewhat genius.

849
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen fifty seven, we have Spudnik, which was the

850
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 1>launching of a human satellite into orbit, or that's what

851
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:21.000
<v Speaker 1>they claim happened. And when this happened, and happened in October,

852
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the fourth of October in nineteen fifty seven. And so

853
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.760
<v Speaker 1>when this happened, you had all the Western scientists in

854
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Europe in the US wanting to know Russia's space program.

855
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to know what was data, what had been

856
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>doing before, and what kind of results were they getting.

857
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>And when they were looking for this data, they found

858
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>out that there was already Like Maxwell had already negotiated

859
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:53.519
<v Speaker 1>an exclusive English contract to publish Russian Academy sciences journals

860
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the decade, so he was already on top

861
00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 1>of it. He knew what was going to happen. He

862
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>knew what was already in the works, and so he

863
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:07.400
<v Speaker 1>got a contract with the Russian scientists to translate all

864
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.519
<v Speaker 1>of their data into English journals so that by the

865
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 1>time Spudnik went into orbit, he could put out these

866
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.119
<v Speaker 1>journals in English form because he knew that this was

867
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 1>already happening. Now you think, oh, wow, that's crazy that

868
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.159
<v Speaker 1>you know. Only he knew well, and we'll get into

869
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>this a little bit later. Western scientists had no idea

870
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.880
<v Speaker 1>this was happening, so to speak. However, with some of

871
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.639
<v Speaker 1>these FBI files that I found the other night, you

872
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 1>start to see that there was already a collaboration happening

873
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.480
<v Speaker 1>between the US government the London government, and then in

874
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 1>April it kind of like closed off, or it was,

875
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 1>I guess, put to rest, so to speak. But and

876
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I have that on the screen right here, and we'll

877
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about it here in a bit. But aside from

878
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>all of this, you have Maxwell going into Russia speaking

879
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to someone saying, we're going to go ahead and publish

880
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 1>your work in English, and they agree to it. And

881
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>then if you went to Japan or India, Maxwell had

882
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 1>already been to Japan and already been to India and

883
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:14.840
<v Speaker 1>already had contracts with them to translate all their stuff

884
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>into English, and ready and waiting to publish it all whenever,

885
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:22.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was ready to do. So the Japanese

886
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>and the Indians were so gracious that their stuff was

887
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.320
<v Speaker 1>going to get internationally recognized and translated to English that

888
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 1>they signed over the rights for free, like I mean,

889
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 1>just you know, go for it. Take it. So these

890
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.679
<v Speaker 1>these FBI files that I found, they're kind of heavily censored.

891
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>But what you get from the gist of it was

892
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 1>that during the mid nineteen fifties Maxwell was subjected to

893
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 1>heavy FBI surveillance and then they closed the investigation on

894
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 1>April nineteen fifty seven. Now remember Spudnick went up October

895
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.639
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty seven, and they decided in April nineteen

896
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.440
<v Speaker 1>fifty seven that there was no need to investigate Maxwell

897
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>any further. So he was being investigated for acts of espionage,

898
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and then it was determined that he was not doing

899
00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. But in nineteen fifty four, three years prior,

900
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.480
<v Speaker 1>FBI had been monitoring Maxwell specifically for his contacts and

901
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 1>associations with American nuclear scientists. So what I think happened

902
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 1>he broke her to deal. I think since he already

903
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.599
<v Speaker 1>had the English translation contracts with the Russians and they

904
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:47.400
<v Speaker 1>were surveilling him for having I guess like contacts or

905
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>relations with the American nuclear scientists, he said, Hey, I

906
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 1>have this, can we trade? Because how is it that

907
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.360
<v Speaker 1>same year in April they're like, oh, there's nothing to

908
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.559
<v Speaker 1>see here, and come on October spud Nick is launched.

909
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And there really wasn't like this huge, huge deal. The

910
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 1>only like surprise was among the scientific community who probably

911
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>were not even privy to it. I don't know. This

912
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>is my theory, one hundred percent, you know, speculation. But

913
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 1>and because of this, the Britain and American broke ties

914
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.519
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't want to share nuclear research anymore with

915
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:28.719
<v Speaker 1>each other because they kind of realized through this surveillance

916
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:32.119
<v Speaker 1>that they had been doing that there were East West

917
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 1>traders what they called spies that were mainly of the

918
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Jewish community, that were going back and forth between Britain

919
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.880
<v Speaker 1>and American and selling newlear secrets. So there was there

920
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.639
<v Speaker 1>was all that. So that was and and these so

921
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 1>on this slide, the one under the nineteen fifty title,

922
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the Geneva Convention conference in nineteen fifty five, and

923
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>then the PROGRAMA. Oh, that was the other thing. So

924
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the FBI files that I found basically were an announcement

925
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 1>as well as a request to establish a translational panel

926
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.239
<v Speaker 1>for London and the US for Pergramo Institute to be

927
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>at the helm of I'm sorry to be at the

928
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>forefront of it, with Robert Maxwell being the director of it,

929
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 1>and so he would be the one in charge of

930
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:33.719
<v Speaker 1>translating all of Eastern Europe and Russian science and this

931
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was on the FBI website there. That was happened in

932
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the background while Pergramo was going on in the nineteen fifties.

933
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>So then in the nineteen sixties, remember we talked about

934
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 1>how Pergramo was like basically the model went on steroids.

935
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.000
<v Speaker 1>He's making a lot of money. Maxwell's now being Chaufford

936
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>in a Rolls Royce. He moves Pergmo and himself in

937
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.880
<v Speaker 1>the family from London to this I guess, like a

938
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.679
<v Speaker 1>palace type thing in Headington Hill Hall estate in Oxford,

939
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and Blackwell Publishing Company was also located close by, so

940
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.199
<v Speaker 1>he was kind of situating in himself in this like

941
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 1>really opulent type neighborhood and so secret societies or like

942
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>whenever he would entertain people from secret societies, he would

943
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.679
<v Speaker 1>bring them here and schmooz them with expensive dinners, expensive wine,

944
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 1>and then present them with a huge check for their society.

945
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, it was probably more than what

946
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.679
<v Speaker 1>these scientists had ever seen before, and so they're just like, yes,

947
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 1>that's fine, we'll sign it over. You know, you take

948
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:41.199
<v Speaker 1>care Perma Press can take care of it from here

949
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:44.000
<v Speaker 1>on out and so forth. So in essence, he's like

950
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:49.079
<v Speaker 1>starting to create like like thousands of many monopolies with

951
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:54.920
<v Speaker 1>each journal, right, and they're all feeding into this one company.

952
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:01.840
<v Speaker 1>So I believe that. Yeah. So the main thing was

953
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about this on the last episode was

954
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 1>that if it didn't matter if you had a great idea,

955
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter how great your experiment was, if you

956
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't publish it, it meant nothing because the world didn't

957
01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:15.840
<v Speaker 1>know about it. And so that's where you have the

958
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 1>whole publishing company coming in, controlling the access of scientific literature,

959
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.719
<v Speaker 1>whether they allow you to publish it or not, whether

960
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.599
<v Speaker 1>they think it's publishable or not, and then essentially controlling science.

961
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So if Maxwell was at the helm of it all,

962
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:32.000
<v Speaker 1>whether it's in translation, whether it's publishing, he's pretty much

963
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:35.159
<v Speaker 1>sitting in a position to control, you know, the science

964
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:40.639
<v Speaker 1>that's coming out. So Maxwell understood this market, and I

965
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of been established on that. You know,

966
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.159
<v Speaker 1>you create these journals and you don't really take away

967
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 1>business from anything else because you can't substitute it for

968
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.320
<v Speaker 1>anything else. Like one individual discovery is only that, and

969
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:56.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't find that discovery cheaper in the next journal

970
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.119
<v Speaker 1>because it's only there. So you have to get that

971
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.920
<v Speaker 1>journal because you want to read about that discous right,

972
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.280
<v Speaker 1>you can't get that discovery at a discounted rate on

973
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the other journal. You have to buy that journal. So

974
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I thought that was that's kind of funny. And so

975
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the only limiting factor with this model was the government.

976
01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 3>But in the.

977
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen sixties, what do you have Kennedy Space Program, so

978
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:22.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money going into that for research. Nineteen

979
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.400
<v Speaker 1>seventies you have Nixon's War on Cancer, a lot of

980
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>money going into research for that. I believe what was

981
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it Reagan was war on drugs. You had a lot

982
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.239
<v Speaker 1>of experiments of what does you know marijuana do, what

983
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.360
<v Speaker 1>does cocaine do? What does methamphetamines do? I mean, you

984
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 1>have all of this money going into laboratories, so you're

985
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 1>going to get a whole bunch of papers being churned out,

986
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 1>being sent to these journals to get published. So that's

987
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty much kind of, you know, the bulk of it

988
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 1>on that. The other thing that I wanted to kind

989
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of mention are these pictures here that I put on

990
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the slides. It's the house that he moved into there

991
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 1>outside of Oxford. Maxwell tried his hand in parliament and

992
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:12.440
<v Speaker 1>I think he won a couple of times and then didn't.

993
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:16.119
<v Speaker 1>The middle picture is of just Laine as a kid,

994
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:20.039
<v Speaker 1>and then which was his favorite daughter. I will say

995
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that like out of all of them, I think he

996
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was very heart andful to a lot of other ones

997
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.239
<v Speaker 1>if you read some of the the excerpts of it,

998
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and he favored her over everyone else. I think we

999
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of, you know, have gathered that. And then the

1000
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 1>picture on the far and is him with Rupert Mardach,

1001
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:38.280
<v Speaker 1>which he was always compared to and always competing with

1002
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 1>toe to toe constantly. So nineteen seventies, so we have

1003
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:52.119
<v Speaker 1>here where publishers would begin to meddle hard in with science,

1004
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 1>and we kind of went over all of that and

1005
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.440
<v Speaker 1>with the impact factor and setting tears and hierarchies within

1006
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:01.079
<v Speaker 1>journals and so forth. In nineteen seven. This is where

1007
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Robert Maxwell gets his bouncing check nickname from. And it's

1008
01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:09.079
<v Speaker 1>from this guy that's sitting at the top of the

1009
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.199
<v Speaker 1>picture there on the slide. He's the one that gives

1010
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.079
<v Speaker 1>that whole interaction is where he gets his nickname from.

1011
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And then the picture below is actually Robert Maxwell with Bresnev.

1012
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how you say his last name, that's

1013
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the Russian guy. And so that's to show that. So

1014
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:32.039
<v Speaker 1>here on out you start seeing Maxwell with all kinds

1015
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:36.920
<v Speaker 1>of Russian dignitaries constantly at these conferences, no matter what

1016
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.239
<v Speaker 1>'re on these parties, it's constant that he's just, you know,

1017
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:45.239
<v Speaker 1>there all the time. At Pergamo, there was a CEO

1018
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:50.039
<v Speaker 1>that recalls Maxwell holding up the one page report of

1019
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.639
<v Speaker 1>when Watson and Cricks make the discovery of the structure

1020
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 1>of DNA and saying that life science is going to

1021
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.559
<v Speaker 1>be the next big thing in science. And that day,

1022
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:05.000
<v Speaker 1>from that year at least over one hundred journals were

1023
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 1>created from that alone. So whatever he said and how

1024
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.119
<v Speaker 1>he said it, people listened and they acted upon it.

1025
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:19.079
<v Speaker 1>So there's that. And then these books that I put

1026
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:24.840
<v Speaker 1>on the screen. They are books that are reports from

1027
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the Club of Rome. I don't know if you remember.

1028
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Club of Rome. That's an actual organization that I believe

1029
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:35.280
<v Speaker 1>has been tied into all kinds of nefarious things, and

1030
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I think they believe on something like zero net population

1031
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:43.039
<v Speaker 1>is the only sustainable population for humans or something. So

1032
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Pergamo printed a lot of these reports for Club of Rome.

1033
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 1>So I thought that was interesting to include Also within

1034
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:59.039
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, there was a software that came out

1035
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 1>of the US called Promise, and it was a search

1036
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and surveillance type software and it was created in the US,

1037
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and I believe it started to be built in the US.

1038
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 1>But the guy who was building it, and I could

1039
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.559
<v Speaker 1>get this completely wrong, so please correct me if I'm wrong,

1040
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.280
<v Speaker 1>but I believe that he was building it and he

1041
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.800
<v Speaker 1>talked to somebody else, and that other person said that

1042
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.960
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have I guess, the expertise or the contacts

1043
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to make it go global, so he put him in

1044
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:35.039
<v Speaker 1>touch with Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell takes it on or

1045
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of takes it under his wing, so to speak.

1046
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that he the creator guy was William Hamilton,

1047
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:47.639
<v Speaker 1>but Robert Maxwell ends up I believe talking to somebody

1048
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that was part of the megagroup. I think it was

1049
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Broun Femend or something like that, and they inserted a

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01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:01.639
<v Speaker 1>back door to the software that Israeli could now access

1051
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and spy on whichever government bought the software and was

1052
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:11.320
<v Speaker 1>implementing it. So he got in trouble for that, or

1053
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.239
<v Speaker 1>at least somebody did not the creator. But basically it

1054
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:19.199
<v Speaker 1>was like a big, big to do on that. Let

1055
01:07:19.199 --> 01:07:23.639
<v Speaker 1>me see what else. The next slide, I put in

1056
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:25.840
<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of other pictures. So I'm kind of

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01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:30.880
<v Speaker 1>moving away from the scientific medical journals in terms of

1058
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.280
<v Speaker 1>what was happening at that point and kind of showing

1059
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:37.239
<v Speaker 1>you the other side of what was happening beyond the

1060
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.199
<v Speaker 1>actual publishing area, because I think it's important. So the

1061
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:46.840
<v Speaker 1>publishing itself created a way for him to financially sustain

1062
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:51.000
<v Speaker 1>his lifestyle as well as place him in places with

1063
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:56.239
<v Speaker 1>other people of significance or significant influence. And then you know,

1064
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 1>move and shake. He was doing these parties, he was

1065
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:03.119
<v Speaker 1>gathering intel. Well we already know he had intelligence ties

1066
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:07.239
<v Speaker 1>to Britain. Now they're suspected intelligence ties to KGB as

1067
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 1>well as Israeli. And so you start to see, like

1068
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.360
<v Speaker 1>you brought up earlier, that these parties were not just parties,

1069
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 1>they were to gather intel, and who knows if they

1070
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 1>were being placed in compromising situations. But what better way

1071
01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 1>too than people have never been to parties like this.

1072
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're being basically wooed. You know, I would

1073
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.760
<v Speaker 1>see that somebody would be very easily manipulated to do

1074
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:37.119
<v Speaker 1>something that they would normally not do my opinion. But

1075
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.680
<v Speaker 1>so in the nineteen eighties we see a photo of

1076
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 1>him with Kissinger at the top. That's an Amsterdam. We

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01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:56.119
<v Speaker 1>also see Maxwell pictured with Prince Charles and Princess Diana.

1078
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.680
<v Speaker 1>We also see that he was on a yacht where

1079
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:05.119
<v Speaker 1>he had just bought McMillan Publishing, and in order to celebrate,

1080
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.279
<v Speaker 1>he threw this big party or swore a on the

1081
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Lady's Lane that was docked on the Potomac and invited

1082
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. Let me see, I haven't listed who all

1083
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 1>was there. Donald Trump was on there, Mike Wallace, which

1084
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.439
<v Speaker 1>I believe was like an announcer or something. The other

1085
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:25.960
<v Speaker 1>one there was a guy on there. There was a

1086
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.159
<v Speaker 1>KGB MOSAD spy. But I didn't get a name on

1087
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:34.239
<v Speaker 1>that one, but just that he was there. Senator John Tower,

1088
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:37.239
<v Speaker 1>who was involved with the promised software. So now we

1089
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.560
<v Speaker 1>have a direct link with that that that it wasn't speculation.

1090
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 1>They were all they were, they knew each other. Oh

1091
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and and the actual John Tower was also involved in

1092
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:52.640
<v Speaker 1>a theft of Soviet arms and a Soviet sex ring.

1093
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:58.119
<v Speaker 1>So there's that. It appears that just lanes in the background.

1094
01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:00.720
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't able to get a clear shot on that,

1095
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I couldn't find any pictures of that. But what

1096
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:06.640
<v Speaker 1>was also who also was in attendance of there because

1097
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I think they make like a manifest or something like

1098
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 1>that was Reverend Jesse Jackson as well as CI director

1099
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:20.000
<v Speaker 1>William Webster. So it was these people. I think it big, big,

1100
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:23.359
<v Speaker 1>big to do party just for him celebrating that he

1101
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 1>had bought McMillan publishing company.

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01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:26.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Interesting exactly, and so yeah, I mean it, it seems

1104
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:37.199
<v Speaker 1>it seems they all kind of knew each other. One

1105
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.760
<v Speaker 1>other picture on here that I thought was very interesting

1106
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.279
<v Speaker 1>and I never really put, you know, and that never

1107
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:47.680
<v Speaker 1>really crossed my radar is that photo with Robert Maxwell

1108
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and Samuel Pissar. I think that's how you say his name.

1109
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.960
<v Speaker 1>And Samuel Pissar is the stepfather of Secretary of State

1110
01:10:54.119 --> 01:11:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Tony blinkedon Li Lincoln Blincoln Lincoln. So Samuel Star was

1111
01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Robert Maxwell's longtime lawyer and confidant. I had no idea

1112
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:09.199
<v Speaker 1>that that was his lawyer. And so he's a stepfather

1113
01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of Anthony Blincoln also Blincoln. I believe his real dad

1114
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is uh what Bill Barr's dad, So I think they're

1115
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:28.199
<v Speaker 1>half brothers, and Barr himself his real dad, Lincoln's real

1116
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:33.640
<v Speaker 1>dad was I believe the headmaster at Dalton and Dalton

1117
01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.640
<v Speaker 1>is where Jeffrey Epstein was there, and I believe was

1118
01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.319
<v Speaker 1>recruited for or given a job of some sort. And

1119
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I think he was recruited by Barr if I'm not mistaken,

1120
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:49.920
<v Speaker 1>but part of this whole circle of people Blincoln's dad

1121
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:54.520
<v Speaker 1>or stepdad, Samuel Sar and Robert Maxwell, which I thought,

1122
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:56.640
<v Speaker 1>this is a really interesting thing. So you have a

1123
01:11:56.680 --> 01:12:01.159
<v Speaker 1>mafia and a Masad connection. In nine, eighteen seventy nine,

1124
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.319
<v Speaker 1>they bring a family out of the USSR and that

1125
01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:11.199
<v Speaker 1>family is the Google founder CEO serge A Brin of Google. Right,

1126
01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.079
<v Speaker 1>so they had him on an Israeli ticket, but he

1127
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>ended up in New York. So there's there's a lot

1128
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:28.039
<v Speaker 1>of connections I think with this, But yeah, I think.

1129
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:31.039
<v Speaker 1>And then also he started buying football teams, and I

1130
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.079
<v Speaker 1>think we've seen pictures of him with just laying in

1131
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:37.079
<v Speaker 1>a football or soccer stadium watching a game or what

1132
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:40.199
<v Speaker 1>have you. But yeah, he was he was definitely rubbing

1133
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:42.439
<v Speaker 1>elbows big time in the eighties. I think this was

1134
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 1>probably the point where you know, he's now making use

1135
01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.600
<v Speaker 1>of all his contacts and so, and I believe there's

1136
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 1>also pictures of him with other Russian dignitaries like I

1137
01:12:53.039 --> 01:13:01.960
<v Speaker 1>think Khrushchev and Gorbachev and wah sorry h w Bush

1138
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:06.199
<v Speaker 1>is one of them as well. So yeah, I think

1139
01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:10.319
<v Speaker 1>there's like market Margaret rat Thatcher as well. Yeah, too

1140
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:15.239
<v Speaker 1>many to put on slide sounds like basically yeah, yeah,

1141
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 1>so that was it. And so now we bring us

1142
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:23.000
<v Speaker 1>to nineteen ninety one, November the fourth where he decides

1143
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to bounce off of the Lady is lame. So the

1144
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:31.720
<v Speaker 1>basically and I guess you know, you and I will

1145
01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:35.800
<v Speaker 1>basically you know, team tag this one. But that you know,

1146
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:39.800
<v Speaker 1>he was on his yacht and then basically was found

1147
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>floating after. It's just shaty in itself, I think so too.

1148
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you want, I'll go into uh yes, please

1149
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.119
<v Speaker 3>come in to a little bit with the dancing care

1150
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Let me pull up that. Oh you're on it already.

1151
01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I was looking at the notes. The dancing Hair is

1152
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:07.439
<v Speaker 3>formerly Lady Gislaine and Lady Mona Quay is a superyacht

1153
01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:12.039
<v Speaker 3>built by Armels in nineteen eighty six. I just kind

1154
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:13.680
<v Speaker 3>of wanted to look up like where the boat came

1155
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:18.000
<v Speaker 3>from too. The Damon Group of MELS is a Dutch defense,

1156
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:24.079
<v Speaker 3>shipbuilding and engineering conglomerate company based in the Netherlands. Though

1157
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:27.319
<v Speaker 3>it is a major international group doing business in one

1158
01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:32.880
<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty countries, it remains a private, family owned company.

1159
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Damon is involved in ship construction as well as maintenance

1160
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and repair activities. It is a wide product range, including tugs, workboats,

1161
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:51.239
<v Speaker 3>patrol craft, cargo vessels, dredgers, superyachts and fast ferries. Product

1162
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:54.279
<v Speaker 3>design and engineering are carried out carried out in house

1163
01:14:54.880 --> 01:15:01.039
<v Speaker 3>and a broad range of designs are available. Key figures

1164
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.840
<v Speaker 3>and statistics. Their annual turnover is about two point one

1165
01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:13.920
<v Speaker 3>billion euro. They have about thirty two yards worldwide employee.

1166
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.439
<v Speaker 3>They have about fourteen in the Netherlands and eighteen abroad.

1167
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:23.760
<v Speaker 3>The employees they have about nine thousand worldwide. Total number

1168
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:30.520
<v Speaker 3>of deliveries since nineteen sixty nine, six thousand ships, forty

1169
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:34.840
<v Speaker 3>dry docks, whole bunch of other things. Pretty big company.

1170
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 3>On Maxwell's death, now, yeah, it was November fifth, right,

1171
01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:41.680
<v Speaker 3>you said nineteen ninety one.

1172
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Fifth or six. I'm not it was a fifth I

1173
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:46.000
<v Speaker 1>said it wrong.

1174
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.720
<v Speaker 3>At the age of US sixty eight. It's even interesting

1175
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:55.079
<v Speaker 3>sixty Maxwell was on board a Lady Gaslane which was

1176
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:59.680
<v Speaker 3>cruising off the Canary Islands. Maxwell's body was subsequently found

1177
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:04.359
<v Speaker 3>vating in the Atlantic Ocean. He was later buried in Jerusalem.

1178
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:08.720
<v Speaker 3>The official verdict was accidental drowning. Some think he may

1179
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 3>have committed suicide or been murdered a subsequent owner. After

1180
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Maxwell's death, the yacht was purchased by an Arabian businessman

1181
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:24.319
<v Speaker 3>who sold her in twenty seventeen to Anna Murdoch, at

1182
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:29.560
<v Speaker 3>one time the wife of Rupert Murdoch. It was only

1183
01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.000
<v Speaker 3>after the sale the new owner discovered that the yacht

1184
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:36.159
<v Speaker 3>had previously been owned by Maxwell. After a refit at

1185
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:40.680
<v Speaker 3>the bulk shipyard in Irk, Netherlands over the winter, the

1186
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:47.840
<v Speaker 3>vessel was renamed Dancing Hair in May of eighteen. And

1187
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I think you have some stuff you want to say

1188
01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:51.279
<v Speaker 3>right before I get to the numbers.

1189
01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So just a little backstory. So it

1190
01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.000
<v Speaker 1>was originally made for Amad Kashogi and he a mod Kashowgi.

1191
01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:05.039
<v Speaker 1>He has a very interesting family. Ahmad is cousin to

1192
01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Dodi al Fayed. I'm probably saying that wrong. He was

1193
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the guy that was dating Princess Diana and died with

1194
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:16.000
<v Speaker 1>her in the crash. Ahmad is also the nephew of

1195
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Jamal Kashogi, which was a journalist that was assassinated assemble

1196
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:23.600
<v Speaker 1>by the government Saudi Arabia by Saudi Arabian government. He

1197
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.760
<v Speaker 1>was also the nephew of Adan Kashogi, which is the

1198
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:34.640
<v Speaker 1>famous Saudi businessman armstealer. What's interesting about uh A Don

1199
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Koshogi is that his son dated one of the girls,

1200
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:46.600
<v Speaker 1>or he dated a girl named Juliet Hartford, who was

1201
01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:50.079
<v Speaker 1>the daughter of Huntington Hartford, and Huntington Hartford is said

1202
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Speaker 1>to have been the I Guess model for Jeffrey Epstein

1203
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to live the exact same lifestyle that

1204
01:17:57.560 --> 01:18:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Huntington Hartford lived. So Juliet went was also involved in

1205
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:07.039
<v Speaker 1>a relationship with Koshogi's son and went to the same

1206
01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:09.520
<v Speaker 1>school with him. So it's like they all knew each other.

1207
01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:13.279
<v Speaker 1>They kind of all kind of you know whatever. In Kashogi,

1208
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:17.359
<v Speaker 1>he was involved in the Iran contra, which so was Maxwell,

1209
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 1>so was Rupert Murdoch, so they kind of all kind

1210
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.680
<v Speaker 1>of knew each other. And Koushoge, I mean, his his

1211
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:28.680
<v Speaker 1>clients were like Lockeyed Corps, Raytheon Northborough, Grumman, you know,

1212
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it. It's a lot of you know,

1213
01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:36.640
<v Speaker 1>big names that these people were affiliated with. That was

1214
01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:40.479
<v Speaker 1>pretty much I wanted to kind of mention about the

1215
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.760
<v Speaker 1>person who it was destined for first, but you know,

1216
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:49.840
<v Speaker 1>speaking of Anna Murdoch, uh with Iran contra ruper Murdoch,

1217
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.800
<v Speaker 1>he was basically instrumental to sway the public perception of

1218
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:57.399
<v Speaker 1>US's policy of regime change in Central America that was

1219
01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:00.560
<v Speaker 1>led by the CIA. So you start to see kind

1220
01:19:00.560 --> 01:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>of how everybody's building upon each other. So yeah, the

1221
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Daily News reported that when Anna purchased a super yacht,

1222
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:13.359
<v Speaker 1>the asking price was for eleven point eight million. I

1223
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:18.479
<v Speaker 1>thought that was interesting that the numbers. Yeah, and then

1224
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of course, you know, they start bidding or whatever, and

1225
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 1>then she gets it. I don't know what, they don't

1226
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.239
<v Speaker 1>say what she ended up paying for it. So but yeah,

1227
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:30.119
<v Speaker 1>but him and Murdoch basically went toe to toe. And

1228
01:19:30.159 --> 01:19:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I think BB also mentioned something like this that it

1229
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:38.239
<v Speaker 1>was the last the what was it, the Daily Mirror

1230
01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:44.560
<v Speaker 1>scandal as well as he tried to purchase another company

1231
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and that basically did him in. And I believe he

1232
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:51.319
<v Speaker 1>also owed money to Goldman Sachs, so that that was

1233
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.840
<v Speaker 1>all up towards his death or like right before.

1234
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:02.439
<v Speaker 3>So that pretty much it all right. And then I

1235
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.920
<v Speaker 3>did have I did think that this was interesting with

1236
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:12.399
<v Speaker 3>the boat names. Gasline in uh in Hebrew Jamata equals

1237
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.680
<v Speaker 3>one to eighty nine and then in English Jamatia five

1238
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:21.319
<v Speaker 3>oh four in simple Jamata eighty four. The dancing hair

1239
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:23.880
<v Speaker 3>in Hebrew Jamatia, it's not one eighty nine, but it's

1240
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:27.560
<v Speaker 3>one ninety eight, but dancing hair in English equals five

1241
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:31.800
<v Speaker 3>oh four and simple eighty four, So I thought that

1242
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:37.039
<v Speaker 3>was kind of interesting. Does imagine.

1243
01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It's weird that they would pick the same thing though, Yeah, right.

1244
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what's the I don't know the odds of

1245
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.119
<v Speaker 3>that working out like that. I don't know like what

1246
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.920
<v Speaker 3>the statistics would be. To me. It just seems, you know,

1247
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:54.039
<v Speaker 3>beyond coincidence.

1248
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think so too. I definitely think so.

1249
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, something that they did think was interesting. And I

1250
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.680
<v Speaker 3>just threw it in there, lady because I think before

1251
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:11.319
<v Speaker 3>Lady Kislaine, that would be forty two. So I mean, again,

1252
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:13.000
<v Speaker 3>like I did mention even with the eleven and the

1253
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.760
<v Speaker 3>eight eleven point eight and you know the sixty eight

1254
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:17.680
<v Speaker 3>and like other numbers that you are seeing a lot of,

1255
01:21:18.520 --> 01:21:21.159
<v Speaker 3>I feel like two four and sixes and eights. M

1256
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:22.800
<v Speaker 3>So I do wonder about that.

1257
01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do too. I think they're significant. You see

1258
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:29.800
<v Speaker 1>them repeating over and over. You definitely see four four

1259
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:34.800
<v Speaker 1>repeating over and over again in terms of like sell

1260
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:36.800
<v Speaker 1>price or buying price or anything like that.

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01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh. One thing I did ed that I think is

1262
01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:42.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of funny. I think I even made a post

1263
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:46.359
<v Speaker 3>about it a little bit ago. Lady in Hebrew Jamacia

1264
01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:51.800
<v Speaker 3>equals uh, you know four twenty four that matches purple

1265
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.279
<v Speaker 3>and Hebrew, and then lady in Simple equals forty two

1266
01:21:55.399 --> 01:22:00.880
<v Speaker 3>that actually matches rain and simple just made me think

1267
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.039
<v Speaker 3>of purple ring from press.

1268
01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy.

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01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.239
<v Speaker 3>Kind of was like a lady at times.

1270
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, it's true.

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01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:10.399
<v Speaker 3>See to me, I think a lot of it, Like

1272
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:12.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, who knows what the hell he was into,

1273
01:22:13.159 --> 01:22:14.880
<v Speaker 3>But I could see that just being a lot of

1274
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:18.479
<v Speaker 3>that whole symbolism again, both sexism mixed together.

1275
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:21.079
<v Speaker 1>I think.

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01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:26.119
<v Speaker 3>So yeah. Yeah, and then I think we've just got

1277
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:27.199
<v Speaker 3>some random notes from you.

1278
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, but it wasn't Yeah, just how like it

1279
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of this stuff may have popped up,

1280
01:22:32.680 --> 01:22:35.159
<v Speaker 1>and I believe we mentioned some of that, like on

1281
01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:39.479
<v Speaker 1>the Gilgo stuff, how Progmo that he named the company Programo,

1282
01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and then Progmo Alter shows up in some of the

1283
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Gilgo Jamatri results and Programo was basically the Altar was

1284
01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:51.720
<v Speaker 1>in Turkey and they moved it to Berlin. He was

1285
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.319
<v Speaker 1>working in Berlin at the time when he was with

1286
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Springer and then doing all of the what is it

1287
01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the interrogations because he knew nine languages they were using

1288
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.600
<v Speaker 1>him for that the intelligence job that he was doing

1289
01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:07.560
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and so yeah, that it just it

1290
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 1>would seem odd that he would name a company that

1291
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:16.800
<v Speaker 1>considering that. So there was that. And then did I

1292
01:23:16.840 --> 01:23:20.520
<v Speaker 1>think Tella Jane Riley Midburn, which is one of the

1293
01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:25.319
<v Speaker 1>wives of Elon Musk, she had a couple of books

1294
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:29.880
<v Speaker 1>come out that the publisher that she used basically was

1295
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.439
<v Speaker 1>bought out by el Sieber, So tangentially she's b linked

1296
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:39.159
<v Speaker 1>to Elsieber. And then I mentioned Huntington Hartford that that

1297
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>was another connection. So that was pretty much it.

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01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:48.640
<v Speaker 3>All right, awesome, that was a really uh, I mean

1299
01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:53.119
<v Speaker 3>even just got past my stuff. Really even the stuff

1300
01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:55.720
<v Speaker 3>that I mean, just the people associated with and all that.

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01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:00.840
<v Speaker 3>To me, it almost seems like, in my opinion it

1302
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:04.159
<v Speaker 3>could be wrong, But like it caught me when you

1303
01:24:04.199 --> 01:24:07.640
<v Speaker 3>had said something that, like he had made some statement,

1304
01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:09.920
<v Speaker 3>and then like one hundred journals basically were written because

1305
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>of that. Couldn't you start actually even start swaying or

1306
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:17.560
<v Speaker 3>dictating the scientific feel about what they're even going to study,

1307
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:24.119
<v Speaker 3>research and write about. Absolutely, that's that's a magician in himself.

1308
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Well think about it's not you know, what if you

1309
01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>think beyond microorganisms and disease, what if you think about computers,

1310
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.399
<v Speaker 1>or if you think about microchips, or you think about software,

1311
01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:39.439
<v Speaker 1>and if you're making all these transactions with software like

1312
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.079
<v Speaker 1>he did with Promise, he knew that everybody was going

1313
01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>to be wanting to know about software like they did

1314
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>with the spudnik, and so he corners a market, or

1315
01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.239
<v Speaker 1>he creates it and then corners it and takes full

1316
01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.199
<v Speaker 1>advantage of it. It seemed like that was his mo

1317
01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole time. So yeah, I think that's why he

1318
01:24:58.840 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 1>kept his ear to the ground, or he it looked

1319
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:04.119
<v Speaker 1>like he did. I think this all this information was

1320
01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>being fed somewhere. I think the rumors that it wasn't

1321
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a suicide. I mean the pathologists. I think there were

1322
01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.199
<v Speaker 1>like three pathologists and then none of them agreed. The

1323
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.439
<v Speaker 1>rumors of it being a hit are there just because

1324
01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, the affiliations inside, the affiliations with all the

1325
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:24.920
<v Speaker 1>other international the amount of money that he owed. It

1326
01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>could be that they took him out as well because

1327
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>they knew he was, you know whatever, not going to

1328
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>pay back or trying to find his bounce that check

1329
01:25:31.439 --> 01:25:35.640
<v Speaker 1>or something. But so, I mean, it could be that,

1330
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or it could be that he was overwhelmed and was like, yeah,

1331
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I can't get out of this and I'm not going

1332
01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>to go to prison, so you know, I'm gonna take

1333
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>my life. Or he could have just simply fallen, like

1334
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:49.199
<v Speaker 1>he got up, went to go pee and fell And

1335
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>here we are creating this conspiracy board with Red Yarn

1336
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and it was so simple that he accidentally fell.

1337
01:25:56.800 --> 01:25:59.159
<v Speaker 3>Over, right. Imagine there was like literally some dumb shit.

1338
01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, it's a possibility, it's a

1339
01:26:03.239 --> 01:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>total possibility. We don't know. You weren't there.

1340
01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:09.399
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, regardless of how he died, he definitely was,

1341
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:12.720
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, involved with high level of people doing

1342
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:18.279
<v Speaker 3>some just I definitely think there was a manipulations definitely

1343
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:22.760
<v Speaker 3>amongst all this stuff for sure, you know. And and

1344
01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:24.479
<v Speaker 3>again that to go back, I think I kind of

1345
01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:29.720
<v Speaker 3>mentioned in the first episode. But like I would like again,

1346
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:32.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm not discrediting that this stuff didn't happen. I'm sure

1347
01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:35.319
<v Speaker 3>it did. Do I think anything's ever gonna come of it? No,

1348
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:39.359
<v Speaker 3>But like even the stuff with Epstein and Galen, Like,

1349
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:43.000
<v Speaker 3>I really wonder what other stuff were these people involved

1350
01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:49.079
<v Speaker 3>in besides what we're you know, being fed from the TV, right,

1351
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:51.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's plenty of other things that this guy was,

1352
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:54.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, Epstein, you know, especially you know, he was

1353
01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:57.800
<v Speaker 3>into my you know, eugenics and stuff, science stuff, you know.

1354
01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:01.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so was Glenn, Gleen's father. I Mean, it's

1355
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:01.479
<v Speaker 3>just you.

1356
01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Know, and some of these parties that Maxwell had, gas

1357
01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Laine was there. She was at these parties, so she

1358
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:12.720
<v Speaker 1>knew these people, they knew her, And so when he died,

1359
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:16.399
<v Speaker 1>she's left knowing she's the only one at the parties,

1360
01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>she's closest to him. He's probably told her a bunch

1361
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:22.479
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Who's to say that she's that she just

1362
01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't step into the role. Now, that he's gone, or

1363
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it could be she was mad at him and said,

1364
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I can do this better than you

1365
01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and took him out herself. I don't know. I mean,

1366
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>speculation can run rampant, but I in my theory, which

1367
01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:43.239
<v Speaker 1>is unsubstantiated, I don't think Epstein was that much of

1368
01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>a mastermind, so to speak, as people perceive him to be.

1369
01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I believe he hooked up with Justlaine because of her connections,

1370
01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:59.039
<v Speaker 1>her intelligent ties, and all of the benefits of her

1371
01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:01.159
<v Speaker 1>going to all these parts parties all throughout her life,

1372
01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:05.479
<v Speaker 1>and then positioned himself to be the next Robert Maxwell.

1373
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:07.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that makes any sense, you know

1374
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. He wanted that lifestyle, he wanted to

1375
01:28:09.880 --> 01:28:12.319
<v Speaker 1>be that and so therefore I'm gonna, you know, hook

1376
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:16.319
<v Speaker 1>up with this girl because she knows all the connections,

1377
01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>and he could have wanted to do the whole eugenics

1378
01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:21.840
<v Speaker 1>thing from the get go. She she probably had you know,

1379
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:26.479
<v Speaker 1>these scientists guys on speed dial. You know, who's to

1380
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>say she didn't. I mean afterwards, she probably did.

1381
01:28:30.079 --> 01:28:33.000
<v Speaker 3>But well, and I was thinking before that, if, like

1382
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:36.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, when I had me to comment about you know,

1383
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:41.239
<v Speaker 3>if Maxwell at these parties, was blackmailing people if that

1384
01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:43.039
<v Speaker 3>was going on, I mean, to me, I would just

1385
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:46.520
<v Speaker 3>assume that is exactly what was Again, like I would

1386
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:49.039
<v Speaker 3>even question was it really even Epstein's idea to have

1387
01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:51.840
<v Speaker 3>that old you know, we don't know, right, you know,

1388
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:54.079
<v Speaker 3>before we know he was, like you were saying, he

1389
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:56.680
<v Speaker 3>really wasn't as important in that whole situation with somebody

1390
01:28:56.680 --> 01:28:59.319
<v Speaker 3>else's demise, and like they already had Epstein as a

1391
01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:01.960
<v Speaker 3>full guy. I mean, we have no idea, but it

1392
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:04.880
<v Speaker 3>with the whole style of it would seem very Maxwell esque,

1393
01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:06.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess to me, because he was the one doing

1394
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:08.319
<v Speaker 3>it before him.

1395
01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, right right exactly. And you know the other

1396
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:14.239
<v Speaker 1>thing is I go back to the first episode, why

1397
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>is intelligence at the head of these publishing companies that

1398
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:21.399
<v Speaker 1>are controlling science and making hand over fist? Like we

1399
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about how you know intelligence companies? Do you know

1400
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>human trafficking or arms dealing to fund black ops? Who's

1401
01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>to say that they don't own a publishing company and

1402
01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>getting money that way? Yeah, I mean I don't know.

1403
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:39.840
<v Speaker 3>So when they have registered agents and you can't see o's.

1404
01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>The company and they're all the same.

1405
01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Uh, well, thank you very much, Lisa, that was a

1406
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.680
<v Speaker 3>really wild rabbit hole. Like I said, there was even

1407
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:52.119
<v Speaker 3>stuff that me and you were looking at that just

1408
01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:54.279
<v Speaker 3>seemed weird too. It we didn't get into it. It

1409
01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.000
<v Speaker 3>could have been more stuff I probably could have done with,

1410
01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:59.239
<v Speaker 3>like the CT Corp And those companies, but that was

1411
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.560
<v Speaker 3>already long enough if I thought. Yeah, And it's like

1412
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:05.000
<v Speaker 3>I understand, you know, I give you a lot of

1413
01:30:05.039 --> 01:30:08.159
<v Speaker 3>credit if you made it all the way through after me,

1414
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:11.840
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of it was just like just starting

1415
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.880
<v Speaker 3>to look at how these companies were acquired, and it's

1416
01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:17.840
<v Speaker 3>like you could even see, you know, it's like a well,

1417
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:19.840
<v Speaker 3>part of it was here and then part of it

1418
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:22.760
<v Speaker 3>went there was just like what the hell is going on?

1419
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:24.760
<v Speaker 3>And then it just seems like they all get swallowed

1420
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:28.279
<v Speaker 3>up by another company. It's just the whole thing was

1421
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:30.520
<v Speaker 3>I guess if it was, you know, it was very confusing,

1422
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.439
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure it was meant to be that way.

1423
01:30:33.079 --> 01:30:36.319
<v Speaker 3>And I do think that whole merry go round that

1424
01:30:36.399 --> 01:30:39.720
<v Speaker 3>you followed me through is something shady going on.

1425
01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I think so. I think so too.

1426
01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:48.399
<v Speaker 3>So uh, thank you all for checking out this series.

1427
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:50.560
<v Speaker 3>I will try to edit this and get it out

1428
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:53.880
<v Speaker 3>either today or tomorrow, so this will be another extra

1429
01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm not looking to try to change up shows that

1430
01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:01.479
<v Speaker 3>already have scheduled and rearranging everything, so this just an

1431
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:06.239
<v Speaker 3>extra episode. There's a quite possibility, a good possibility, that

1432
01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:07.720
<v Speaker 3>down the road we might be duing a part three,

1433
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:10.960
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, so maybe keep your eyes off of that

1434
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:15.039
<v Speaker 3>as well. But that's the end of another Recult Rejects.

1435
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Thank you again Lisa for the topic. It was a

1436
01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:21.239
<v Speaker 3>good one and until the next one, everybody be well

1437
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>later
