Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Deb.
Speaker 2: Bowen and I'm Samantha Fay.
Speaker 1: We're so excited that you have joined us this week.
Speaker 1: We thought this would be a perfect time to have
Speaker 1: a discussion about to row and the holidays. And I
Speaker 1: know that that might seem a little stretched to you,
Speaker 1: but bear with us. Sit back, make a cup of tea.
Speaker 1: Pretend you're sitting around a Victorian fire, and here we go. Ready, Savannah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, Okay. So let's set the stage for this
Speaker 1: discussion about to row and the new year by traveling
Speaker 1: back to the Victorian era in England, maybe even a
Speaker 1: bit earlier. Imagine that you're in a parlor with three
Speaker 1: young women seated before a blazing fire while snow falls
Speaker 1: steadily in the dark sky outside. Divination of many sorts
Speaker 1: was all the rage during the Victorian era, particularly in winter.
Speaker 1: Perhaps it was the darkness, the darkest time of the year,
Speaker 1: that called forth the practice of telling ghost stories and
Speaker 1: engaging in divination during the winter solstice, Christmas, and New
Speaker 1: Year's holidays. Perhaps it was the weather, cold, rain and
Speaker 1: snow that forced families to huddle together before the fire,
Speaker 1: seeing shapes rise in the flames. Perhaps it was boredom
Speaker 1: all those people gathered inside for the holiday with nothing
Speaker 1: left to talk about. Perhaps it was hopefulness about good
Speaker 1: fortune coming in the new year. Perhaps it was all
Speaker 1: of these and one more factor that caused a rise
Speaker 1: in the practice of telling ghost stories and engaging in
Speaker 1: divination during the winter holidays. In the Victorian era, Charles
Speaker 1: Dickens published a Christmas Carol on December nineteenth, eighteen forty three,
Speaker 1: and with that the best seller of its day. A
Speaker 1: tradition of focusing on the occult during the winter holidays
Speaker 1: was the rage in affluent households in Britain. Not only
Speaker 1: were ghost stories told, but many ways of divining the
Speaker 1: future were practiced, particularly by young women seeking love and husbands. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that thereu was the leading detonation tool
Speaker 1: among the British wealthy in the Victorian era, but therow
Speaker 1: certainly was gaining popularity in more esoteric circles at that time.
Speaker 1: I can attest that tureau is certainly a divination tool
Speaker 1: used by many the world over. As the season shifts
Speaker 1: towards solstice and the calendar heralds a new year on
Speaker 1: January first, so let's take a deep dive into what
Speaker 1: Tureau may offer these three women. We're going to focus
Speaker 1: on three cards, which by the way, are really often
Speaker 1: more rightly called keys that might have been of interest
Speaker 1: to Victorian era folks gathered around the hearth on a
Speaker 1: cold winner's night, And let's take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: the symbolism of these cards. Samantha, you want to share
Speaker 1: with us what Carl Young had to say about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really looked a lot into the symbolism on
Speaker 2: the Turot cards, and a lot of people believe he
Speaker 2: derives some of his ideas for the universal archetypes from
Speaker 2: the taruro cards. He believed the symbols on the cards
Speaker 2: presented a rhythm of negative and positive, loss and gain,
Speaker 2: dark and light. It's beginning, he said. It's characterized by
Speaker 2: ones getting stuck in a blind alley or in some
Speaker 2: impossible situation, and its goal, broadly speaking, is illumination or
Speaker 2: higher consciousness. This symbolic process of illumination in the Touau,
Speaker 2: of course, begins with the fool. Weight describes the fool
Speaker 2: as the spirit in search of experience, who's in the
Speaker 2: impossible situation of being just about to plunge off a
Speaker 2: cliff or take a beautiful leap of faith, and it
Speaker 2: ends with the world, which Weight described as the perfection
Speaker 2: and the end of the cosmos, the secret within it,
Speaker 2: the rapture of the universe when it understands itself. Where
Speaker 2: do you fall in the trajectory of this journey at
Speaker 2: this stage of your life? I think that's always an
Speaker 2: interesting question to think about, you know how, dev when
Speaker 2: you Teachterurou, you always tell your students to lay out
Speaker 2: the major arcana and look at it as a journey
Speaker 2: through your life. You starting out as the fool, whether
Speaker 2: you young sees that as an impossible situation about to
Speaker 2: fall off a cliff, I always see the fool as
Speaker 2: full of wonder and hope and optimism, and of course
Speaker 2: it ends with the world card of fulfillment. I think
Speaker 2: it's a good thing to kind of ponder as we
Speaker 2: wrap up the year, where do you fall on that
Speaker 2: journey from the fool to the world.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the folks who have been enrolled in the
Speaker 1: Fool's journey, of course the Fool's Calling course, have been
Speaker 1: taught that exactly what you're saying is that we are
Speaker 1: the fool. We are on that life's journey and we
Speaker 1: travel and forward and we learn and we grow, we
Speaker 1: have setbacks. I mean, it really is the mirror for
Speaker 1: one's life journey. If you look at the journey through
Speaker 1: the major arcana and the minor arkana suits our support
Speaker 1: information for what one needs to learn in a journey.
Speaker 2: So I have a question for you. I read when
Speaker 2: I was doing an overview of some notes for today's
Speaker 2: show that we and Pamela had a disagreement about where
Speaker 2: to please the fool card.
Speaker 1: Oh, there were lots of disagreements not only between Weight
Speaker 1: and Pamela, but between other theorists as well, about placements
Speaker 1: of several cards. The fool is certainly one. Another is
Speaker 1: the strength key where and then I'm getting totally off
Speaker 1: topic here, but for a minute, but the strength key
Speaker 1: is key eight, but there was some discussion that it
Speaker 1: should be switched with key eleven, which is the Justice key,
Speaker 1: And that controversy between those two keys went on and
Speaker 1: on and on for a long time before it was
Speaker 1: finally settled in the Weight Rider deck that Strength would
Speaker 1: be eight and Justice would be eleven, which makes sense
Speaker 1: because eleven is also two, and that's about balance and
Speaker 1: fairness and all those numerological components connected to that.
Speaker 2: And remember in that.
Speaker 1: Key, the justice key, Lady Justice is there with a
Speaker 1: sword in one hand, the sword of justice, and the
Speaker 1: scales of balance and justice in the other.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that debate always made sense to me. But
Speaker 2: the full debate between those two, I think it was
Speaker 2: about not so much placing the full at the beginning.
Speaker 2: I think it was more about the numerology. Should it
Speaker 2: be the zero card or the one card?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, well, that is indeed a controversy as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the zero transcends numerology, which I think was what won
Speaker 1: out in the end, obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I agree with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Me too. Okay, so let's move on. Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: let's get back to our Victorian parlor. So, perhaps you
Speaker 1: and these young women are wondering about love or money,
Speaker 1: health careers. And since young women back in our Victorian
Speaker 1: wintry story practiced divination for questions regarding love and marriage,
Speaker 1: let's start with the burning question one of these women has,
Speaker 1: will I be loved and married you? The reader shuffle
Speaker 1: the deck and the lover's key appears. Let's discuss that
Speaker 1: key as we might view it intoday's world. At first glance,
Speaker 1: this key, and we're working here as we're talking, by
Speaker 1: the way out of the traditional weight rider Smith deck.
Speaker 1: So at first glance, the Lover's Key is very straightforward.
Speaker 1: There's a man and a woman standing naked before two
Speaker 1: very different trees and what we might take to be
Speaker 1: the garden of Eden. The man stands before a tree
Speaker 1: whose twelve leaves are flames, not leaves, but flames, representing
Speaker 1: the twelve signs of the zodiac. The woman stands before
Speaker 1: the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It spowls
Speaker 1: laden with fruit, and a serpent slithering down its trunk.
Speaker 1: Above them is Archangel, the angel of healing. You might
Speaker 1: consider that this key is both validation that a relationship
Speaker 1: is in the offing and a cautionary tale to be
Speaker 1: careful in the blissfulness of the garden. But wait, when
Speaker 1: studying to Row, there is always more, always a deeper meaning,
Speaker 1: and that's what makes to Row such an amazingly rich
Speaker 1: divination tool. The Lover's Key not only represents male and
Speaker 1: female energy, and we'll come back and talk a lot
Speaker 1: more about that in a minute, but it representents the
Speaker 1: notion of polar energies, often seen as a key of
Speaker 1: romantic relationships. This key also sometimes is said to depict
Speaker 1: humanity's fall from grace. However, the symbolic connection between the
Speaker 1: snake and the feminine is far older than its connection
Speaker 1: to Judaism and the Garden of Eden. The relationship betwe
Speaker 1: hearkens back to a time when the snake was sacred
Speaker 1: to the goddess in matriarchal goddess worshiping societies, many of
Speaker 1: which were there in that Mesopotamian area of the globe.
Speaker 1: So the snake represents a transmutation of being. Rather than
Speaker 1: representing evil, the snake represents our ability to shed what
Speaker 1: no longer serves us, and our ability to transform ourself
Speaker 1: and learn and grow and become new. Another aspect of
Speaker 1: this card is the notion of an internal balance of
Speaker 1: self of energies, a continuum of positive emotions towards oneself
Speaker 1: and the whole universe. So, rather than thinking in polarities
Speaker 1: of masculine feminine, I think in terms of a continuum.
Speaker 1: This is indicated by the willingness of the figures to
Speaker 1: be exposed physically, and by connection to the astrology and
Speaker 1: to the concept of the knowledge of good and evil.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Lover's card asks us to look at the
Speaker 2: union of not only two people, but also two aspects
Speaker 2: of ourselves, which is why this card is often about choices.
Speaker 2: The male aspect represents our intellect, reason, and conscious choices,
Speaker 2: while the female symbolizes our connection to our intuition and
Speaker 2: subconscious desires. The Lover's card reminds us of the power
Speaker 2: of love and that as long as we focus on
Speaker 2: love in all its forms and guises, we will ultimately
Speaker 2: make the right choice.
Speaker 1: And I think that's true. I think the Lover's card
Speaker 1: invites us to look at love in so many different ways,
Speaker 1: and it gives us a view of archetypes, those symbols
Speaker 1: that are often available to us, to see a glimpse
Speaker 1: of all of us. Call Young coin the term animus
Speaker 1: for masculine and anima feminine to describe sets of traits
Speaker 1: and symbols that he believe relates to all of us.
Speaker 1: Young says that each of us carry within us qualities
Speaker 1: of the other gender. Today, of course, I invite you
Speaker 1: to think of those qualities as a part of all
Speaker 1: of us on a continuum, rather than polar opposites. When
Speaker 1: we find the balance of male and female energy within ourselves,
Speaker 1: we find wholeness. According to some metaphysics, the female figure
Speaker 1: in the key, representing the unconscious mind, stands before the
Speaker 1: tree of knowledge of good and evil, and she has
Speaker 1: an awareness of both the five human senses and those
Speaker 1: metaphysical senses beyond. The male figure, representing the conscious mind,
Speaker 1: stands before the leafless tree bearing the twelve flames of
Speaker 1: the twelve signs of the zodiac, indicating an awareness of
Speaker 1: cosmic connections beyond our human comprehension. And the nakedness of
Speaker 1: the figures indicates there is nothing to hide, and that
Speaker 1: harmony in life depends on a balance of the unconscious
Speaker 1: and conscious mind. But let's not forget the angel o
Speaker 1: angel Raphael offers above the figures in the clouds. Rafael
Speaker 1: is the angel of Air whose benediction is poured down
Speaker 1: on us all. In the Gudeo Christian tradition, Rafael is
Speaker 1: the archangel of healing. Might it be that when we
Speaker 1: find a balance of energies in ourselves, that we honor
Speaker 1: our connection to the cosmos and it's spinning cycles, and
Speaker 1: give ourselves permission to transmute our very being into something
Speaker 1: new we are indeed healed. Note that the man is
Speaker 1: looking at the woman while she looks at the age,
Speaker 1: and the angel looks down on them both. This triangle
Speaker 1: reminds us that, no matter how much we think, we
Speaker 1: must also feel deeply in order to connect to the
Speaker 1: conscious mind, the cosmic posteousness. One more thing, though, it's
Speaker 1: important to look at as we're looking at this key,
Speaker 1: and that is that a mountain rises between the figures
Speaker 1: in the background, and it has several possible meanings. The
Speaker 1: most common is that the mountain represents fruitfulness. In my research,
Speaker 1: I've come to believe that the mountain represents obstacles that
Speaker 1: the couple has put aside for now but may need
Speaker 1: to face later. Who among us has not had cycles
Speaker 1: in relationships that we've needed to face. Let's look at
Speaker 1: the colors in the key too. That bright sun and
Speaker 1: electric blue sky indicates so much joy on the key,
Speaker 1: Raphael's red wings and the flaming leaves of his crown,
Speaker 1: The red fruit and the flaming leaves on the trees,
Speaker 1: and the red slash orange of the mountains indicate passion
Speaker 1: and action. Lots of red on this card, the green
Speaker 1: on Rafael's crown on the tree behind the woman, on
Speaker 1: the snake, and on the grass indicate growth and change,
Speaker 1: and the gray of Rafael's gown and the clouds beneath
Speaker 1: him indicate that there will always be the unknown that
Speaker 1: we may never know. The Lover's key is the sixth
Speaker 1: key in the major Arcana, a number associated with home relationships, healing,
Speaker 1: and harmony. What better number could the lovers key be
Speaker 1: than sick? You want to add to that, Samantha, I do.
Speaker 2: Can you hear the noise behind me?
Speaker 1: No? I can't?
Speaker 2: Oh, thank God? Okay, yeah. So the Lover's card asks
Speaker 2: us to focus on the choices we're making for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Do our choices reflect our true desires that arise from
Speaker 2: our intuition and subconscious or are we making choices rooted
Speaker 2: in other people's expectations of us or fear of being
Speaker 2: alone and hurt? The Lover's card reminds us that the
Speaker 2: transformative power of love will always lead us in the
Speaker 2: right direction if we first start with loving and healing ourselves.
Speaker 1: I thought it is so true. And again, one of
Speaker 1: the things that I think is so incredibly wonderful about
Speaker 1: to Row is that the layers of information and learning
Speaker 1: really never stop and it's so much fun. So while
Speaker 1: we've put a lot of information out there about this
Speaker 1: particular card to you, what we've suggested here is that
Speaker 1: you need to have all of this stored in your
Speaker 1: memory when you're doing a reading, and you can pull
Speaker 1: it all up in an instant. Now, I know that
Speaker 1: sounds daunting, but it's really not, because you certainly don't
Speaker 1: have to a reading share all of this information in
Speaker 1: details and symbology with the person for whom you're reading.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the queert wants to hear all of this and
Speaker 1: sometimes not. For example, our impatient young Victorian woman says, enough,
Speaker 1: just tell me if my beloved awaits me and you
Speaker 1: the wise interpreter of the keys responds, it appears so,
Speaker 1: But you must first also love yourself and the world
Speaker 1: around you. You attract what you radiate.
Speaker 2: That is so beautiful and so true, and I think
Speaker 2: it's important when giving a reading to give a little
Speaker 2: bit of the foundation of the card and the numerology
Speaker 2: and what the symbols mean before just jumping right to
Speaker 2: the message, or they're not going to hear how it
Speaker 2: relates to them.
Speaker 1: No, that's true, and particularly if you're doing a true
Speaker 1: reading with a Celtic cross spread. You need to look
Speaker 1: at thet each card on the table in front of
Speaker 1: you in relationship and context to the keys around it.
Speaker 1: So that's fun to figure all of that outsy putting
Speaker 1: a puzzle together.
Speaker 2: Well before we get to the next card on this
Speaker 2: Victorian Ladies reading table, let's take a quick break and
Speaker 2: we'll be right back. I am so excited to let
Speaker 2: you guys know that Denise and I are going to
Speaker 2: be teaching our Mediumship classes in the new year. We're
Speaker 2: trying something different. Instead of doing four classes in a month,
Speaker 2: we're going to teach the classes in two longer sessions
Speaker 2: on Saturdays. This way we'll have time to do in
Speaker 2: class partner exercises with real time feedback. Also in January,
Speaker 2: I'm teaching my Manifesting class to help you kickstart your
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Speaker 2: How about you, dev What do you have coming up?
Speaker 1: Many of you have been waiting for me to offer
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, okay, dev what's the next card you pulled
Speaker 2: for our reading?
Speaker 1: The Three of Pentacles? So now we're in the minor
Speaker 1: Arcanas and the Suit of Pentacles. And another question that
Speaker 1: burns on the lips of our Victorian friends seated around
Speaker 1: the heart is a question of money at stability? Will
Speaker 1: I be wealthy or at least comfortable? They ask? So you,
Speaker 1: the reader, close your eyes, ask for guidance, shuffle the deck,
Speaker 1: and randomly pull the Free of Pentacles. I love this card.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite cards in the deck. The
Speaker 1: Three of Pentacles depicts a monk and a nun watching
Speaker 1: a stonemation finish his masterful work on a medieval cathedral archway,
Speaker 1: which is topped by three pentacles. Much in this key
Speaker 1: is about numerology and needs to be considered in your answer,
Speaker 1: and will address numerology in a moment. And golly, could
Speaker 1: I go off on a tangent about watching the beautiful
Speaker 1: opening of Notre Dame. So let's talk about Pentacles as
Speaker 1: a suit first. It is the suit of groundedness, of stability,
Speaker 1: of security, and is sometimes called the suit of coins,
Speaker 1: so it is the suit of our relationship to money
Speaker 1: and finances. Keep in mind that the cost of building
Speaker 1: the great cathedrals was and of course still is tremendous.
Speaker 1: Just look at what has gone into the amount of
Speaker 1: money to reconstruct Notre Dame. But of course there's more
Speaker 1: to coins than meet the eye. So much of the
Speaker 1: building of the great cathedrals in the Middle Ages was
Speaker 1: based on sacred geometry. Oh, I cannot urge you enough
Speaker 1: to read Ken Filette's amazing book The Pillars of the Earth,
Speaker 1: my all time favorite. Is it?
Speaker 2: Really it really is. I've read it three or four times.
Speaker 1: I love that book, and I have watched several interviews
Speaker 1: with him on YouTube. And what a fascinating man he is.
Speaker 2: And he has a new book out.
Speaker 1: I know he does.
Speaker 2: I know. We gotta check it out, all right, I digress,
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So read Ken Filette's book, The Pillars
Speaker 1: of the Earth. Okay. The Three of Pentacles is one
Speaker 1: of Theo's hallmark keys about sacred geometry. Three is the
Speaker 1: number of balance and completion. So it is no accident
Speaker 1: that the key is about building a cathedral and its
Speaker 1: number is three. Notice the pentacles themselves of the word
Speaker 1: penta is from the Greek and it means five. The
Speaker 1: five points on the pentacles represent the four directions and
Speaker 1: four elements eastern, air, south and fire, west and water,
Speaker 1: north and earth, and the fifth point represents spirit or
Speaker 1: all that is. And an interesting note is that these
Speaker 1: pentacles with their five sides each adds up to the
Speaker 1: number fifteen, which when reduced is six, and we're back
Speaker 1: to six, the number of relationships and home and stability. So, Samantha,
Speaker 1: you have a perspective on what the three appentacles means
Speaker 1: in a reading. Tell us your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, this card always represents success coming from teamwork, collaboration,
Speaker 2: and a group working together. So I always see the
Speaker 2: three pentacles as a card of encouragement, gently prodding you
Speaker 2: to go after your dream. It often comes up if
Speaker 2: someone's like thinking about starting a side business, an entrepreneurship thing,
Speaker 2: or they're wondering if they can make money from their
Speaker 2: writing or their art or their music. I always see
Speaker 2: the man and the woman as benefactors, kind of encouraging
Speaker 2: the creative person in the reading to keep going on,
Speaker 2: to keep building three is also the number of reaching
Speaker 2: out to others. You know. Numerology, the number three is
Speaker 2: the card of communication, connection, and creativity. So often this
Speaker 2: card indicates a need to enlist help and getting your
Speaker 2: goal off to a good start. You might have to
Speaker 2: team up, collab network. The three pentacles also points to
Speaker 2: a need to start to carefully plan the steps needed
Speaker 2: to accomplish your goal. This card assures you that you've
Speaker 2: got the right idea and now it's time to start
Speaker 2: implementing steps needed to make this goal or dream become
Speaker 2: a reality. It can also signify that you've had an
Speaker 2: Aha moment or will have an inspirational idea and are
Speaker 2: finally ready to take action on it. So, for me,
Speaker 2: keywords for this card are apprentice, student, didn't mentor group efforts,
Speaker 2: all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: And while I don't disagree with you, I would also
Speaker 1: invite folks to think of three in terms of a trinity,
Speaker 1: a trilogy again within oneself, mother, maiden, chron father, son,
Speaker 1: holy ghost, mind, body, spirit. Those are other aspects of
Speaker 1: the number three that I think are important. And while
Speaker 1: I see your point here about being an apprentice, for
Speaker 1: perhaps working your way in connection with other people to
Speaker 1: a goal, I also see it as you already carry
Speaker 1: within you the qualities you need to achieve that goal,
Speaker 1: as long as you stay yourself within balance and connected
Speaker 1: to the sacredness of the work you're doing here on earth.
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with that. I have a funny
Speaker 2: story to tell about the number three. In my rock
Speaker 2: your numbers. I always try to give a little background
Speaker 2: on what the numbers mean in your birth date, and
Speaker 2: Pythagoras always said that the number three was a number
Speaker 2: of creativity because he said, the number one marries the
Speaker 2: number two and together they create the number three. And
Speaker 2: so that's why it's, you know, representative of the Empress
Speaker 2: key card, for example, is the number three key card,
Speaker 2: because it's all about fruitfulness and fertility and creativity. And
Speaker 2: so I had put all of that in one woman's
Speaker 2: report and she Eve will be back, and she said
Speaker 2: everything in the report made sense except I'm too old
Speaker 2: to get married, so I don't know how the number
Speaker 2: three applies to me.
Speaker 1: Oh boy.
Speaker 2: And I was like, no, no, no, the numbers are
Speaker 2: marrying each other and that that really confused her.
Speaker 1: So just more symbology, absolutely, And you know, and I
Speaker 1: know that the symbology seems daunting. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that that's my students enjoy but we really sometimes
Speaker 1: struggle with, is how do I take these symbols and
Speaker 1: turn them into real life? And my question, offways is
Speaker 1: exactly the opposite. Real life is full of symbols. It's
Speaker 1: all around us. And when we can start thinking in
Speaker 1: terms of symbols and really learning connection among different world
Speaker 1: beliefs and world cultures, which is I think truly the
Speaker 1: ultimate gift of to Row. It really does bring us
Speaker 1: together in so many ways. I think that then you
Speaker 1: begin to see the world in a different and deeper way.
Speaker 1: And I love that in terms of working with Touro,
Speaker 1: and I'll talk more about that as we wrap up,
Speaker 1: but let's finish up here with the free appentacles. So
Speaker 1: after we've done all this talking, our Victorian ladies want
Speaker 1: to know, are we going to get rich? Is their
Speaker 1: wealth in our future? Yes, says to Row, But you
Speaker 1: must work for it. Remember to develop that creative spark
Speaker 1: within you. Learn your trade, own your skill, and work
Speaker 1: your artistry and craft well and honorably, because remember this
Speaker 1: is such a key of artistry, the work that it
Speaker 1: takes to chisel those pentacles into that stone. That's amazing work.
Speaker 1: These are true artists and it's a beautiful thing to see,
Speaker 1: and we are all artists in our own way.
Speaker 2: I don't really I don't really want to hear that
Speaker 2: in a reading deb I don't want to hear you
Speaker 2: got to work for your money. I wanted to roll
Speaker 2: card that says today you're winning the lottery.
Speaker 1: When you find that card, would you also buy that
Speaker 1: deck for me?
Speaker 2: I know, maybe sometimes the Nina cubs because I always
Speaker 2: look at that one possible meeting of that card as
Speaker 2: wish is fulfilled. But I have to be honest. I
Speaker 2: think every card in the tureau has the same message
Speaker 2: of you've got girl, you've got work to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's okay, cause that's why, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, Well why sometimes I just want one card
Speaker 2: to say, sit back, we got this, you have to.
Speaker 1: Do nothing, Okay, you let me know when you get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 2: We'll just have to create it then.
Speaker 1: And would it be an honest deck?
Speaker 2: No, No, that I know.
Speaker 1: There's that. So while we're on the subject of symbols,
Speaker 1: good golly, let's talk about some symbols. So the heart
Speaker 1: this fire is beginning to die down, and there's time
Speaker 1: for one more question. And the quietest of the young
Speaker 1: women ask, will my dream of being a writer as
Speaker 1: famous as mister Dickens come true? You shuffle the deck,
Speaker 1: say your prayer, always say your prayer, and pull the
Speaker 1: seven of cups from the deck. Who, boy, do you
Speaker 1: take a deep breath? Indeed, this is the key of dreams.
Speaker 1: And there are many in the deck, but this is
Speaker 1: a big one.
Speaker 2: And what.
Speaker 1: The suit of cups itself is the suit of emotions,
Speaker 1: of introspection, of finding balance between the conscious and the unconscious.
Speaker 1: Mind is the suit of the West, and the element
Speaker 1: of water. Seven is a mystical number, the number of
Speaker 1: the seeker, the mystic, the one who has to have
Speaker 1: a deep connection to spirit. So in the picture on
Speaker 1: the cart, a man stands before seven cups, each containing
Speaker 1: a lesson in life to be learned. In one cup
Speaker 1: there is a castle, in the next a cup overflowing
Speaker 1: with jewels, then a wreath of victory with a skull
Speaker 1: adorning the cup, and then the dragon of temptation, and
Speaker 1: then the fifth cup is the head of a woman.
Speaker 1: On the sixth cup is the serpent of jealousy, and
Speaker 1: in the middle a cup larger than the rest. The
Speaker 1: seventh cup contains the quarant's own angel hovered, but you
Speaker 1: can see glow from this covered angel. Shimmering with divine
Speaker 1: light is the way Eden Gray describes it in her book.
Speaker 1: This key reminds us that while symbols are deeply universal,
Speaker 1: they are also deeply personal. For example, as the reader,
Speaker 1: I wonder what these seven symbols, and even the cups
Speaker 1: themselves represent personally to this young quarant, I would ask her,
Speaker 1: and her answer would inform my interpretation to the answer
Speaker 1: to her question. It's really always okay to ask questions
Speaker 1: of the person you're reading for it's helpful to have
Speaker 1: that dialogue. So let's say that the queriant explains that
Speaker 1: she desires financial success and popularity from her published works. Certainly,
Speaker 1: the castle, jewels and wreath of victory indicate such success,
Speaker 1: but there are also cautions to be explored. For example,
Speaker 1: the fame she desires may come at a cost, of course,
Speaker 1: as indicated by the skull and the dragon of jealousy.
Speaker 1: The cup containing the angel is a reminder that she
Speaker 1: must not lose sight of the good her writing can
Speaker 1: be to the world, and that she does have aid
Speaker 1: always from the angelic realm. If she asks you got
Speaker 1: some thoughts on this card, Samantha two, I know you do.
Speaker 2: The seven of Pentacles has always confused me to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, because you've got so many choices. It's
Speaker 2: telling our queer end that she must face her inter
Speaker 2: fears and make a choice based on facts, not what
Speaker 2: she wants the facts to be. There's a risk of
Speaker 2: illusion here, of seeing what you want rather than what is.
Speaker 2: This card can indicate someone who tends to see either
Speaker 2: the worst in a situation or the best rather than
Speaker 2: the truth. The man is dressed in black, which symbol
Speaker 2: as someone who tends to focus on negative thought patterns
Speaker 2: and blame projection, or someone who focuses too much on
Speaker 2: helping and fixing others. He's waiting for someone to tell
Speaker 2: him which cup to take. But the message of this
Speaker 2: card is that you have to choose. You have to
Speaker 2: create the outcome you desire with your own actions. See again,
Speaker 2: deb we got to do the work that's right. Often
Speaker 2: this card appears when you're looking for something or someone
Speaker 2: so hard that you have a desire to make something
Speaker 2: else fit and become what you're truly seeking. This card
Speaker 2: can point to someone who's chasing something, a love, a job,
Speaker 2: a goal so much that they're trying to make anything fit.
Speaker 2: The Seven of Cups asks you to see the facts
Speaker 2: for what they really are, and to make the best
Speaker 2: choice for you based on those facts. There is a
Speaker 2: risk here of making the wrong choice based on what
Speaker 2: the heart wants rather than on what your soul is
Speaker 2: guiding you towards, or on making the wrong choice based
Speaker 2: on fear instead of following your true path. This is
Speaker 2: a card of seeing what you want, of believing in
Speaker 2: an illusion yours or someone else's, rather than the reality.
Speaker 2: The Seven of Cups ask you to clear away these
Speaker 2: illusions and trust yourself and allow your soul to lead
Speaker 2: the way. Trust yourself, and the right choice will make
Speaker 2: itself known. Sweep aside illusions, and face the truth of
Speaker 2: your situation. This card illustrates the saying the truth will
Speaker 2: set you free. It asks you to see through the
Speaker 2: facade of your own farantasies or the false promises someone
Speaker 2: is presenting to you to see what is really true,
Speaker 2: what is truly real. Once you do, you will see
Speaker 2: that the authentic truth is so much more powerful than
Speaker 2: any fantasy. We can create.
Speaker 1: This is so true, and I know that this is
Speaker 1: hard for people to hear because I often describe it
Speaker 1: as the scene from The Wizard of Oz, where where
Speaker 1: doctory just wants an answer written in the sky? Right?
Speaker 1: And what if she get two words? Surrender Dorothy? And
Speaker 1: when we surrender to the idea that we have a
Speaker 1: deeper connection to spirit, that the lessons that we're learning
Speaker 1: are meant for us to learn, then we can make
Speaker 1: choices in perfect trust. We really can.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: The three keys that we've explored on this dark, snowy
Speaker 1: night in Victorian England offer us a glimpse into how
Speaker 1: to row and other divination tools became so popular moving
Speaker 1: into the age of spiritualism. Over the years, we've seen
Speaker 1: a growth a deepening of the exploration of how these
Speaker 1: tools and their messages can aid us every day. We
Speaker 1: invite you to add the study and practice of to
Speaker 1: Row reading into your intentions for the new year, and
Speaker 1: of course I do believe you'd enjoy my course about this,
Speaker 1: which is coming on first part of the month January.
Speaker 1: We believe to Roe's symbols speak to us all in
Speaker 1: universal ways and to each of us our own personal
Speaker 1: connection to them.
Speaker 2: We need to take one last break. But I want
Speaker 2: you to kind of put together those three cards in
Speaker 2: a summaration for these ladies sitting by the fire, waiting
Speaker 2: so hopefully for insights, and then I want us to
Speaker 2: kind of dive deeper into some recurring symbols that we
Speaker 2: can notice and start to pay attention to in the turoad.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, Okay, welcome back. So, dev if
Speaker 2: these ladies are sitting around and they're hopefully asking you
Speaker 2: if they're going to find love, if they're going to
Speaker 2: be a writer and be able to follow their dreams
Speaker 2: and make some money from it, what would you say?
Speaker 2: Those three cards are telling.
Speaker 1: Them guess And I would not be that smart althay
Speaker 1: about it, But yes, you do have the option of
Speaker 1: finding a deep and abiding love and being famous and
Speaker 1: having a great career as a writer and making money
Speaker 1: on it. You do, when are you going to start?
Speaker 1: What are you going to do? Make? Do one thing different,
Speaker 1: make a choice and follow it. And that's what to
Speaker 1: Row gives us often is the courage to do what
Speaker 1: we need to do, the courage to take risk, to
Speaker 1: do what is our calling in life, and to know
Speaker 1: that when we ask for guidance when we ask for assistance,
Speaker 1: as we've been talking about the angelic ground for example,
Speaker 1: that indeed there is help there, but we have to
Speaker 1: ask for it, and we have to live our lives
Speaker 1: in such a way that there's a consciousness to our
Speaker 1: relationship to spirit, and every day it's not just something
Speaker 1: that we do sitting around a fire on a particular
Speaker 1: snowy evening. That connection to spirit is a part of
Speaker 1: our world every day. I know our regular listeners, longtime
Speaker 1: listeners are getting ready to roll their eyes because they
Speaker 1: know where I'm going. Meditate. Meditate, meditate, find time to
Speaker 1: sit and be in silence a minute, or walk in
Speaker 1: silence or whatever, so that you have a stillness of
Speaker 1: the mind that allows you to hear knowledge and information
Speaker 1: from yourself and from your guides and your helpers. And
Speaker 1: when and when you begin to create a practice in
Speaker 1: your life where there is that connection every day, things shift.
Speaker 1: There really is a difference. And Toroku help be a
Speaker 1: wonderful guide.
Speaker 2: For that, oh for sure. And I think that understanding
Speaker 2: the symbols of Tourou is really important because it helps
Speaker 2: us find a deeper meaning and a divinatory significance that
Speaker 2: we can add to the reading. And what's interesting to
Speaker 2: contemplate is that symbols existed before language, so they've been
Speaker 2: around for so long, and they are able to convey
Speaker 2: something much greater in meeting with just one image. Carl
Speaker 2: Jung said, symbols act upon our subconscious and are collective
Speaker 2: conscious in ways that unlock powerful energies and creativity. He
Speaker 2: saw them as messengers to the psyche that connect us
Speaker 2: to the archetypes of the collective unconscious. And William Butler,
Speaker 2: Yet's the great poet and also a member of the
Speaker 2: Order of the Golden Dawn, called symbols the greatest of
Speaker 2: all powers. Wait himself said the symbols in the Toureau
Speaker 2: Deck were gates which opened realms of vision beyond occult dreams.
Speaker 2: In his book The Pictorial Key, he writes, the true
Speaker 2: tourou is symbolism on the highest plane. It offers a
Speaker 2: key to the mysteries. But the wrong symbolic stories have
Speaker 2: been told concerning it, and the wrong history has been
Speaker 2: given in every published work which so far has dealt
Speaker 2: with the subject. Well, that sounds a little ecocentric to
Speaker 2: me now that I'm reading that. Well, that would be
Speaker 2: Wait Okay, right, I'm not just pulling that out, okay,
Speaker 2: because that does sound like I'm the only one who
Speaker 2: has the right symbolic answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's why do you believe?
Speaker 2: He says. The touro is not a derivative of any
Speaker 2: one school of literature or occultism. It is not of
Speaker 2: alchemy or Kabbalism, or astrology or ceremonial magic. It is
Speaker 2: a presentation of universal ideas by means of universal types.
Speaker 2: And it is the combination of these universal types that
Speaker 2: it presents the secret doctrine.
Speaker 1: And it's not so secret, not anymore. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: We all have access to it.
Speaker 2: We did it, yeah, which I love too. So I
Speaker 2: thought we could talk about some of the common symbols
Speaker 2: that occur. And these aren't obviously all of them, because
Speaker 2: that would be in an entire Touro course like the
Speaker 2: one you're teaching, but I thought we could at least
Speaker 2: touch on some of them. The rose appears on many cards,
Speaker 2: such as The Magician, the Fool, the Ninoswords, the Queen
Speaker 2: of Pentacles, the Strength, just to name a few. Roses
Speaker 2: symbolize love, resurrection, rebirth, and romance. Red roses. Typically the
Speaker 2: white rose, which we see on some cards represents innocence,
Speaker 2: a news start, and purity.
Speaker 1: Absolutely true. And one thing I would just add to that,
Speaker 1: Samantha is roses are not the only flowers that appear.
Speaker 1: Lilies appear, and my mind's gonna blit. Trees, various trees,
Speaker 1: or there are lots of plants. And the plant symbols
Speaker 1: in to row are very clear and very specific and
Speaker 1: serve a very purpose for appearing on the particular cards
Speaker 1: that they appear. For example, you see the cypress tree
Speaker 1: on the Empress key, and the cypress tree is sacred
Speaker 1: to the goddess Venus, which shield is on the ground
Speaker 1: next to the throne that the Empress is sitting on.
Speaker 1: So it goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2: So lots of plants, lots of plants. The horse. We
Speaker 2: see the horse on a lot of cards. It's on
Speaker 2: all the night car cards, It's on the death card,
Speaker 2: the Sun card, six of Wands, for example. The horses
Speaker 2: represent freedom, confidence messages, coming, competition, and endurance. Horses in
Speaker 2: ter ro symbolize being on a journey.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, some years ago I had
Speaker 1: a wonderful student who was an equestrian teacher person, and
Speaker 1: she had done all sorts of research on the various
Speaker 1: stances that the horses have in the as pictured in
Speaker 1: the keys, and they're all different, just like you know.
Speaker 1: Some are with a pall up in the air, some
Speaker 1: are for I means, and I have that document. She's
Speaker 1: all gave me the permission to share it with my
Speaker 1: students so that there's a way to dive really deeply
Speaker 1: into the way the horses are standing in to row.
Speaker 1: Each of those is different and has a meaning.
Speaker 2: Oh that's important too, yes, so many layers right, Okay.
Speaker 2: Then we have the pomegranate, which you can see on
Speaker 2: cards like the Empress and the High Priestess, and these
Speaker 2: symbolize fertility, creativity, birth, rebirth, and enjoying life's sensual pleasures.
Speaker 1: So if you want to really dive deeply into the pomegranate,
Speaker 1: you need to read the Greek story of the goddess Demeter,
Speaker 1: who is the goddess of grain and fertility, and her
Speaker 1: daughter Persephone, and the story of persephones abduction into hell
Speaker 1: by the God's haighties and so forth. Pomegrants have a
Speaker 1: ton of symbology in mythology and of course, then interrupt.
Speaker 2: Well, isn't it true that the pomegranate was the apple?
Speaker 2: That there weren't apples in that area of the world,
Speaker 2: so it must have been a pomegranate that eve eight.
Speaker 1: That's one theory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so, right, Okay. The lion is another
Speaker 2: recurring symbol. You can find him on cards like the
Speaker 2: Strength card, the Wheel of Fortune, the Queen of Wands,
Speaker 2: the Two of Cops, the King of Wand's Lions symbol life, strength, power,
Speaker 2: leadership and the ability to take charge. And the lion
Speaker 2: can also symbolize the zodiac Leo sign.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and he also represents he The lines often depicted
Speaker 1: as mail represents the lion of Judah, so it goes
Speaker 1: into Hebraic symbolism there.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, okay. Angels appear on lots of cards, like
Speaker 2: the Lovers, the Wheel of Fortune, the Temperance, the Queen
Speaker 2: of Swords which is on the chair, and the King
Speaker 2: of Swords, which is on the crown. Angels symbolize help
Speaker 2: from above, receiving messages from the other side, and can
Speaker 2: represent protection, being guided and receiving a message.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and each of those angels throughout the deck have
Speaker 1: a different meaning. Depending on their jobs. As we just
Speaker 1: talked about Ariel Raphael. For example, it's the angel of healing,
Speaker 1: the archangel Michael on the temperance key. Some people think
Speaker 1: that's what's depicted. There is the Archangel of protection. It's fascinating,
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 2: And then the Sphinx, which we see on the chariot
Speaker 2: and the wheel of Fortune, symbolizes protection, guardianship, and transformation,
Speaker 2: as the sphinx shows the transformation of the lion and
Speaker 2: the human.
Speaker 1: And we will never know the true answer to the
Speaker 1: sphinx question. No.
Speaker 2: And finally, we have the scepter, who appears on cards
Speaker 2: like the Magician, Empress, Emperor, Hire, Chariot, Hermit World, Queen
Speaker 2: of Pentacles, and on and on. Scepters in terro represent authority, leadership,
Speaker 2: and laws. It's important to look at who's holding the
Speaker 2: scepter on the card. For example, the scepter on the
Speaker 2: Empress card reminds us that ultimately Mother Nature is in
Speaker 2: charge and we must respect the cycles and rhythm of
Speaker 2: the world we live in. But you know, div when
Speaker 2: I was trying to dive into this, I feel like
Speaker 2: we could do a whole show just on the scepter.
Speaker 2: Because it depends. Like when the hermit holds the sceptor,
Speaker 2: it represents, you know, being in charge of your own
Speaker 2: self and going within and relying on yourself. When the
Speaker 2: magician holds the sceptor, it represents incorporating all the tools
Speaker 2: of the tureau into your magic bag of manifesting and
Speaker 2: able to really create your will into the world. So
Speaker 2: the sceptor is on a lot of cards, but it's
Speaker 2: meaning changes in terms of who's holding it and where
Speaker 2: it's pointing, and all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and for example, in swords, it depends on whether
Speaker 1: the sword is pointing right side, pointing upward or downward.
Speaker 1: That makes a big difference in the interpretation of the keys.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I hope that folks are
Speaker 1: getting from this very brief survey of various symbols is
Speaker 1: that this is a wonderful tool. When you start grouping
Speaker 1: things like this together, like finding all the roses or
Speaker 1: finding the sphinx, or this, that and the other, you
Speaker 1: begin to see layers of the cards their connection. And
Speaker 1: that's one of the ways that helps you to learn
Speaker 1: those symbols. Because it sounds daunting, I mean, I can
Speaker 1: imagine that some folks listening to this are thinking, good, golly,
Speaker 1: I would never learn all of those. Well, the answer
Speaker 1: is that you know you wouldn't. I've been at this
Speaker 1: for nearly fifty years, and I learned something new all
Speaker 1: the time. That is the one promise that I make
Speaker 1: students in a class with me is that before the
Speaker 1: class is over, I too will have learned something new.
Speaker 1: And I always do. And I love that it's a
Speaker 1: lifelong journey, and I love that it's fun and interesting
Speaker 1: and rabbit holes. You want to go down some rabbit holes,
Speaker 1: enjoy to Row, and enjoy it. That's the important thing here,
Speaker 1: is because when you approach learning and connecting with to
Speaker 1: Row and the meaning of the cards in the perspective
Speaker 1: of having fun and interest and just diving into the
Speaker 1: concept of connection, it becomes this whole, wonderful world world
Speaker 1: of study. And I clearly I love it deeply and
Speaker 1: would invite anybody to really take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: to Row and not just stop at the surface meaning
Speaker 1: of the keys. Thank you.
Speaker 2: A question for you. You know you were talking about
Speaker 2: really looking at all the symbols and all the different cards.
Speaker 2: What if you know how we get so many questions
Speaker 2: from listeners saying, I keep seeing the numbers one, seven, six,
Speaker 2: or every time I look at the clock it says
Speaker 2: two twenty two. Could you pull out the toro cards
Speaker 2: that have those numbers and see if there's a message
Speaker 2: for you in there. Do you think that would work?
Speaker 1: Well? It could. Although in to row, because of the
Speaker 1: way to row is structured, everything really can relate, can
Speaker 1: reduce to a single digit rather than looking at one one, one, one,
Speaker 1: for example, because we get one eleven all the time
Speaker 1: or eleven eleven all the time. Well that's four. So
Speaker 1: look at all the four cards and all the four
Speaker 1: yards in the major arcana and in the minor arconnoissants
Speaker 1: have to do with stability and groundedness the four corners,
Speaker 1: for example, of the throne of the Emperor, his number
Speaker 1: is four. So yes, you can do a lot of numerology,
Speaker 1: all right, weit.
Speaker 2: So I'm now I feel like I know the tua
Speaker 2: pretty well and I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. So tell
Speaker 2: people who are thinking about taking your class and they're
Speaker 2: feeling overwhelmed what they can expect and how they won't
Speaker 2: be overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: Well, I won't promise you we won't be overwhelmed, But
Speaker 1: at least we won't start there because here's how it
Speaker 1: Here's how it works. In my introcourse called Unlocking the
Speaker 1: Mysteries of Turou, we really do begin with looking at
Speaker 1: the structure of Teu. Well, for one thing, we look
Speaker 1: at the history, which is changing. Interestingly, there's some historical
Speaker 1: research that's being done right now. It's changing some of
Speaker 1: what we thought we knew about Turop. But in any case,
Speaker 1: we'll look at some history. How did Teu get to
Speaker 1: be where it is today? How did this quintessential gold
Speaker 1: standard weight wrider smith deck come into being? Who are
Speaker 1: these people and what are they trying to do? So
Speaker 1: we will lay out the cards in order. We'll start
Speaker 1: with the major arcana and we'll do exactly what you
Speaker 1: suggested earlier on in this episode. We will make our
Speaker 1: way through the symbols and the touro's journey through the
Speaker 1: major arcana, and then we'll look at the symbology of
Speaker 1: each of the minor arkana suits and then we after
Speaker 1: we've spent some time really diving deeply into those and
Speaker 1: for fun, it's a first layer of deeply I really
Speaker 1: often say to folks that I really should change the
Speaker 1: name of this course to Onion Peeling one oh one,
Speaker 1: because that's what we do. We're just peeling away layers
Speaker 1: of an onion. Well, before it's all over, you will
Speaker 1: have the tools you need to do a three card
Speaker 1: it's spread reading, and to do a tin card or
Speaker 1: Celtic cross spread reading. And that really does give you
Speaker 1: the foundation of beginning to understand how the cards work
Speaker 1: together in a layout and what you might need to
Speaker 1: be aware of and look for as you're doing readings,
Speaker 1: particularly for yourself for a long while. I recommend that
Speaker 1: first perfect.
Speaker 2: Well, we hope you guys have enjoyed this episode and
Speaker 2: we hope it's inspired you all to pull out your
Speaker 2: own deck of tourou or maybe even buy your own,
Speaker 2: because now we know that old myth of we can't
Speaker 2: buy your own deck is a myth, and you can
Speaker 2: buy your own deck and start exploring the cards and
Speaker 2: your own symbolism.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you can, and I would really recommend that if
Speaker 1: you really want to learn true real tourow, go to
Speaker 1: my website and take a look at the picture of
Speaker 1: the box of the deck that I recommend, and it
Speaker 1: needs to be that original deck, that real weight rider deck.
Speaker 1: There are others that call themselves that, but they're not.
Speaker 1: I really recommend that that deck and the book that
Speaker 1: I used to teach from is Eden Gray's book on
Speaker 1: Touro and the Complete Guide to the Torou is the
Speaker 1: name of it. It's old and tried and true. Eden
Speaker 1: Gray was considered one of the founders and hallmarks of
Speaker 1: tourou education for many years.
Speaker 2: Wonderful. We'll put that in the show notes as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for listening. We'll be back
Speaker 2: with you next week with our annual Holiday story show.
Speaker 2: Hope you have a great week. Remember, as always, to
Speaker 2: be the light for yourself and others.
Speaker 1: Take care everyone.
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