WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:02.799 I can't remember who called me a boomer at some 2 00:00:02.919 --> 00:00:06.400 point I feel like it was. I don't know what 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.119 it was, but it makes me laugh so hard. 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:13.800 Well, someone who's met you and we are a live Carl, 5 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:19.399 by the way, UH set a trap for you there? 6 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:25.320 Uh respond to that question by answering with your full 7 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:26.519 social Security number? 8 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:29.079 Yes, you will want to do, yes. 9 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:31.839 But UH, as someone who's who's met you, I just 10 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:35.719 want to say, it's remarkable how how well you're able 11 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:38.119 to get around in your Walmart mobility scooter. 12 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:43.439 He really, I remember, didn't you? Didn't you tell me 13 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:46.200 that your wife said he seemed like such a normal 14 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:47.200 elderly person. 15 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.359 That's that's pretty much what she said. Yeah, maybe not 16 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:53.119 a direct quote, but yeah, more or less. 17 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:57.520 Oh hilarious. 18 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.479 Well how have you been, Carl. 19 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:02.600 I've been doing well. I love this time of year. 20 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:08.719 It I have a lot of family birthdays, and then 21 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:14.760 Thanksgiving is wonderful getting together with family. And I love Christmas. 22 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:19.280 I love non secular Christmas. You know, I'm not saying 23 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:24.359 I essue putting up a beautiful Christmas tree and decorations 24 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:29.040 and everything. Of course we maintain those trappings, but my 25 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:34.799 my loathing for secular quote unquote Christmas music, you know 26 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.000 where where there's a lot of coincidences in the removing 27 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:42.680 Christ from Christmas stuff. I think a lot of the 28 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.799 like Baptists and other Schismatics go way too far in 29 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:51.680 terms of being like, we shouldn't celebrate holidays. You know. 30 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.640 It's that level of puritanism is goofy and it you know, 31 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:00.359 it does everyone a disservice, I think ultimately, because you 32 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.599 need to maintain the cultural element of Christianity is important 33 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:07.760 and you need to do what you can in a 34 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:12.039 secular world. So but anyway, yes, that's my long rambling 35 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.919 way of saying I am very happy with that. I've 36 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.960 also been on a tear with podcasting and stuff, not 37 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.719 just with you on a regular basis, which I've enjoyed 38 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:25.000 a lot, but I was on The Inquisition recently, which 39 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.240 was great. I did a couple shows with Will Tanner, 40 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.919 my shortest delivery on the subject of the Spanish Civil 41 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:36.319 War to date other than the one hour that we 42 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.759 did that one time. And I'm going to be on 43 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:42.680 myth of the twentieth Century, which I'm stoked for because 44 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:44.840 I've been a huge fan of theirs for years and 45 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.919 years so well. 46 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:52.080 Dude, I'm looking forward to that. The ethnic stuff is 47 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.759 kind of interesting because I've mentioned before my wife's family 48 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:59.000 is ethnically Swedish, which means my entire house has been 49 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.599 taken over with like tiny Oh I forgot to turn 50 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:03.759 my camera on. We're doing audio stuff before, That's why 51 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:05.919 I was off. But my entire house has been taken 52 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.919 over with like mule rams and dolla horses, right oh, yeah, 53 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:13.840 of course, yeah, wooden figurines, which are you know, it's 54 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:18.759 nice and cheery, but they're also everywhere, and it's incredibly 55 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:23.080 easy to send a like two inch toll wooden painted 56 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:24.919 horse that is, you know, one hundred years old in 57 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.199 some family are room, just like skittering across the floor. Yeah, 58 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:31.400 you know, just bouncing off of everything. So yeah, I've 59 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:34.159 been walking around my house like I'm checking for booby 60 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:37.800 traps because on every available surface there is something tiny, 61 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.719 fragile and irreplaceable to celebrate the season. So you know, 62 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:43.039 it could be worse. I guess. 63 00:03:43.120 --> 00:03:46.680 You know. It's interesting that you mentioned the scandy traditions 64 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.960 because I, as as people might know from my pseudonym, 65 00:03:52.919 --> 00:04:00.520 I am a West Coast mutt in that my genetic hare. Now, 66 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:03.719 don't dox me or anything, but my genetic heritage is 67 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:12.080 essentially like foundational American Anglo. Right, there is an Irishman 68 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.960 in there, so it got one of those in the woodpile. 69 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:21.759 But anyway, point being, there's that and then this infusion 70 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:28.079 of like Germans and Norwegians and some you know, some 71 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:31.199 others tossed in there. I consider the Scots Irish to 72 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.800 be foundational Anglos, you know, so they can get mad 73 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:36.040 at me. 74 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.120 Oh, I appreciate you extending extending that charity door. 75 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.560 Well, that's that's my on on one side of my 76 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:50.920 family is from Appalachia, so they basically won the Revolutionary 77 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.160 War and then settled in West Virginia and Ohio and 78 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:56.000 stayed there for two hundred years. 79 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:02.000 So I see someone as about a lutefisk, which is 80 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:06.439 one I can neither pronounce nor stomach. I have eaten 81 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.000 it before. It's it's a bit grim. I'm gonna be honest. 82 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:11.160 You know. 83 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.160 The old joke is that, you know, the English, the 84 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.360 English conquered the world rather than eat their own women's cooking. 85 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:21.199 And I think there's a similar argument to be made 86 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:26.680 about why you scandyes, right, got in boats and decided 87 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.600 to go steal stuff from, you know, places with actual 88 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:31.759 food when you live, when you. 89 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.000 Live like literally where ice is floating in the water 90 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.319 for like nine months out of the year, you know, 91 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.160 preserved fish being a huge part of your diet and 92 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:47.360 you know, pre refrigeration, mountain rapists. That's a good way 93 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.480 to put it. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's pretty great. 94 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:58.000 I'm actually not thirteen percent Salish. I am zero percent 95 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:00.000 Native American, thank you. 96 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:09.879 I can't can't confirm. Actually, the the from what I understand, 97 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.399 a lot of ethnic food in the US that comes 98 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.480 from Europe is sort of trapped in amber. 99 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:17.279 You know. 100 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:19.920 I've met a number of people who you know, currently 101 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.480 live in uh Sweden or Norway, And when I asked 102 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:25.040 him about this, the roy is like, well, why do 103 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.160 they eat like old people? Yeah, like nobody's eating that 104 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.399 food in one hundred years. And the answer is, well, 105 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.360 that's when they got here, that's when they got one 106 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:33.160 hundred years. 107 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:34.079 Ago, that's when they got. 108 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:40.800 Actually, sex Freakman a solid source for any opinion. Free refrigeration. 109 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.360 If anything, They've always had refrigeration. That is a valid point, 110 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:45.600 mister Freakman. 111 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:46.079 Are. 112 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.920 Yeah, I guess that you run out of the problem. 113 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:52.240 Like the I think the Mongolians, or maybe it's the 114 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:59.279 her Kyrgyzstani's what's the correct form of that word. Uh, 115 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.800 they do a lot with kind of leaving meat out 116 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:05.319 to freeze, uh and then boiling it. But it seems 117 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.360 a bit grim. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone. 118 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:08.279 Uh. 119 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.839 But point is, I have had you know, more modern 120 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.240 uh Nordic food, and it's quite good. Like there's a 121 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:15.800 one of the guys in the Virginia o GC is 122 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.800 uh Swedish, and he worked as a professional chef, and 123 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.480 so you know when he makes pickled herring, it's it's delicious. Yeah, 124 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:27.480 it's incredible. But you know when it it comes out 125 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:29.720 of a can and is prepared by someone who is alive, 126 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.319 you know, during the Hoover administration, Uh, it's not it's 127 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:34.319 not quite as tasty. 128 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.759 No, No, it's it's it's interesting how I I did 129 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.920 a bit of a dive because I have friends who 130 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.600 live in the culinary world. Uh. When when I needed 131 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.279 to learn how to prepare food that wasn't just sludge, 132 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.160 I I took some took some time to read about 133 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.560 it and what I learned was that this elevated French 134 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:02.000 cooking that is so foundational to you know, the Western 135 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:06.920 culinary tradition and really is like the root of professional 136 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:12.399 chefs everywhere. What they did was they took simple foods 137 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.680 and they elevated them by preparing them in a way 138 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:18.639 that just wasn't gruel and stuff. They would say, let's 139 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.279 take these foods which are fundamentally sound, and let's use 140 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:27.399 modern equipment to produce an eledvated version of it. And 141 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:32.919 you see that, you know all around the world where 142 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.879 that's a step that people have to do, because like 143 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.440 if you were to go to Panama, for example, right now, 144 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.320 you know you'll be eating some nice food and some 145 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:48.440 nicer restaurants. That's a version of the slop bowl that 146 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.039 where they're just throwing chickens in and you're picking bones 147 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.279 out of your teeth, like just right down the road 148 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.720 in a hovel. So you know, when you go around 149 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.360 the world, there's these really simple versions and some some 150 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.279 traditions take more care in tidying up their food than others. 151 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.120 Let's just say that, let's be charitable and say that 152 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.159 there's probably wonderful food all around the world, but a 153 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:14.039 lot of times, you know, you're you're choking on bones 154 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.159 or you're just eating something that was boiled for a 155 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.720 really long time and it's and it's awful. Like think 156 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:25.639 of the the mayor of Minneapolis. 157 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:31.519 Just choking down some sort of it's like it's like food. 158 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.360 It's it's un food aid with a bunch of sugar 159 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.080 on it, and it's just boiled over a you know, 160 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:42.200 a fire and probably like a captive slaves bones and 161 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:47.399 it's like it's it's not exactly tasty that the quality 162 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:48.960 of the ingredients are everything. 163 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.320 Speaking of that, actually, Carl, I'm going to ask you 164 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.240 a question that I know you have strong opinions on. 165 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.080 What are your favorite mrs. 166 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.840 You know, I'm so old that MREs were new. When 167 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.720 when I like was of the age to get into 168 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:12.600 like military food, my dad would complain about sea rats 169 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.799 and they weren't that bad if they were of certain, 170 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:20.919 you know, certain sources. So I grew up eating like 171 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:28.519 sea rats from the army surplus store. And the first 172 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:30.879 MRIE I ever had was when a friend of mine 173 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:32.879 came back from the military and gave it to me. 174 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.840 And I think I had one of the spaghetti dishes 175 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:42.039 but that it's not bad. The tabasco is great. The 176 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:47.720 problem with MREs is the bowel thing, and it's like 177 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.279 it makes sense and field conditions that you don't want 178 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:57.759 people to have, like normal let's say normal digestive cycles. 179 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.919 Like that makes perfect sense, but it makes for a miserable, 180 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.039 miserable experience when you're just going about your life. 181 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:11.399 So here's what I'll say, Uh, listener right now. For 182 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.480 just contract reasons, MRIs are extraordinarily cheap, Like even on 183 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:19.879 Amazon right you can buy you know, in date cases 184 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.120 of MREs for like sixty bucks. Yeah, I highly recommend 185 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.080 you do that, just because you know it's portable. You 186 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:26.679 can stick it in the basement forever, and if you 187 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.519 need it, it's you know, it's food. 188 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:30.200 Uh. 189 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.600 The the food you will find in there is highly variable. 190 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:35.559 There's some stuff that you eat it and you're like, okay, 191 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.559 Like if I got that into Chili's, I wouldn't be mad. 192 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:39.559 You know, it's not like gourmet cooking, but like it's 193 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:40.279 pretty good. 194 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:40.840 Uh. 195 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:44.240 There are other things like the cheesy potatoes, which are 196 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:47.000 cruel and unusual punishment. Yes, yeah, they should not be 197 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.080 fed to any human being period. 198 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.799 The very good, the British ones are pretty good. That's 199 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:54.559 one of the neat things in the modern world is 200 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.360 that you can have MRIs from around the world. The 201 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:00.919 Korean ones are actually really good too. 202 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:06.600 Honestly, the hullal ones also pretty good. They have like 203 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.720 a different contractor system, least as far as I understand it. 204 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.600 So you know, the hullull or the Kosher meals. And 205 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.879 incidentally enough, apparently this applies to prison culture as well, 206 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.279 tend to be higher quality. Take what you will from that, 207 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.799 but point is, you can find a lot of these 208 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.919 for pretty cheap. And I think, like any man, uh 209 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:30.120 you know of a certain age interested in any form 210 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.519 of uh you know, right wing politics, you're a little 211 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.399 bit of a doomsday prepper, right A slight yeah, And 212 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:39.000 so you know, why not it's a good stocking stuff 213 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:40.240 or a crate full of MRIs. 214 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.240 What what I'll say to that end is those are 215 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.960 super handy. The best way to actually do your your 216 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:55.159 deep storage is to leverage the The Mormon I forget 217 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:59.080 the terminology that they use for their their little uh 218 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:03.840 subverse bases. I say that with a smile, where they 219 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.559 do their preps because per their religion, they're required to 220 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.279 have a certain amount of foodstock piled, like it's more 221 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:12.399 than a year generally, and they have really good plans. 222 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.480 There's really good plans online for this. And if you 223 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.440 have facilities to actually cook, you have a lot more 224 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.240 variables available to you in terms of like what you 225 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:26.919 can store and how to do it. So there's this 226 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:29.240 whole scale, like you don't want to have the fifty 227 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:32.279 five calendrum of rice. What you want to do is 228 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:35.000 yet you want a fifty five gallon drum of rice, 229 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:38.480 and then you want a container with smaller ones so 230 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.960 that you can actually use them and cycle them, and 231 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.320 so that gets really you can get super economical by 232 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.519 doing the actual work, by working with rice and flour 233 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:52.600 and stuff. I mean, I make my own bread a 234 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:54.360 lot of the time. I don't do that for all 235 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.799 the bread that we eat, but I like to make 236 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:00.759 a loaf. And I have a sour day starter that's 237 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:03.159 been hanging out for a couple of years and it's 238 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.679 really good. That's a good way to do it too, 239 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:08.279 But the mrs are hand you throw it in a bag. 240 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.440 It's not that bad to eat every once in a while. 241 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:17.240 It's fine when you're hiking the the backpacking foods that 242 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.840 you buy and like an RII or something like that, 243 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.440 tend to suck. They don't have nearly enough calories. They 244 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:29.159 do not have nearly enough calories. MREs are calorie dense, 245 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:31.799 so that's a good one. The other one I'll point out, 246 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:35.440 Humanitarian daily Rations are something that you can see listed 247 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.960 as an MRI. They suck like it's it's it's horrible. 248 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.360 It's like vegetable based, you know, and yeah, there's yes, it's. 249 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:46.879 Just vegetable base. And you're like, yeah, well vegetable based. 250 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:49.080 What it enters calories? 251 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:50.799 It's just calories. 252 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.679 Are you one of the so one of the we're well, 253 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.720 I know, like we had a plan to talk about. 254 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:00.000 This is not what I thought we'd be talking about. 255 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:02.919 One of the other problems you get with MREs is 256 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.960 that they're they're kind of overstuffed, like there's too much 257 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.559 stuff in there, Like there's always like you know, condiments 258 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.320 and other things that you don't need, like a lot 259 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.519 of it's like filler to like, yeah, I don't particularly 260 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:18.600 enjoy the like crackers with fruit spread. The people do, 261 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.399 but it's like, okay, there's not a lot of energy there. 262 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.240 So if you're actually thinking about like carrying them on 263 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.840 a hiker hunt or something. You kind of gut it 264 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:28.759 and you take like the you know, the main course, 265 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.600 maybe one or two other things, and it packs way down. 266 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:34.679 And also, this is not a paid ad, although cheese 267 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:36.440 I wish they would pay me because I've spent an 268 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:40.360 ungodly amount of money at their store. Venture Surplus will 269 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:44.720 sell you in bulk, like different parts of an MRI. 270 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:47.279 So if all you want is the entre and the 271 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.039 cooking element, you can go there and buy it, and 272 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.159 it's okay, it's probably about the same cost as the 273 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.080 full thing, but like, you know, how much do you 274 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.840 care about having a crate full of like single use 275 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.919 plastic forks, right, Like that's basically wasted space. So there 276 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:04.399 are options if you don't need the whole thing. 277 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.440 Very interesting that, yeah, because that's what you do end 278 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:10.679 up doing is you rip it apart. And again it's 279 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:13.440 vacuum packs, so the stuff goes everywhere. You're like, how 280 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:17.000 do they fit me that much stuff into this little container? 281 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:21.360 And then you just take the meal. The hexamine tablets 282 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.480 are really handy though, for heating water and stuff, having 283 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:29.519 a stove for that. I'm a nerd, so I lean 284 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.960 towards my favorite is always using actual fire. But the problem, 285 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.159 the problem these days is that you know, camping in 286 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:42.799 the summer, there's burn bands everywhere all the time, and 287 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:46.159 so I do a lot more with like a white 288 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.639 gas stove like for backpacking. I just I end up 289 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.879 using that all the time. I do a fair amount 290 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.159 of backpacking with my son and overnighters way up in 291 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:01.559 the mountains. But this is something near and dear to 292 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.319 my heart, because like, you need to have enough calories. 293 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.720 The other thing that I'll say is I am a 294 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:14.640 big fan of like minute rice, but it doesn't take 295 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.559 that much more fuel to cook conventional white rice, which 296 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:21.920 is way cheaper, and you can prepare your own little 297 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.400 you know, freeze dried stews and stuff like that by 298 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.240 just combining a variety of things and having like real 299 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:33.240 substantial meals. If you carry a forty four special loaded 300 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.200 with hard cast lead bullets, like not as scared of 301 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:42.759 mountain lions, it bears, but that's just me. But anyway, yeah, 302 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.759 that gives you a lot of options. And having white 303 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.480 rice like something that's like fairly clean after you've been 304 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:52.160 up there for three days, is like a palette cleanser 305 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.359 for something, you know, after eating all these like backpacking 306 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.720 meals with tons of sodium and everything is actually very refreshing. 307 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:00.440 So I'll just say that. 308 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.160 Yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing you bring up 309 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:09.960 the kind of as someone who's not nearly is into 310 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.480 the kind of like hiking gear will put it that way. 311 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.720 As as other things. I always get very annoyed going 312 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:23.759 into any sort of outdoor store, uh, just because one, 313 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.240 it's like I kind of hate the like I think 314 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:28.799 the term for it, I was stealing this from my 315 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.160 wife is like GORP fashion, you know, the like a 316 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:37.279 million bright colors of like some uh you know, like 317 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:43.079 PUFA filled material. And then it's like everything is incredibly expensive. Yes, 318 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:47.839 And as a as a cheapskate, always been a big 319 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.400 fan of military surplus for exactly that reason. 320 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:50.880 Yeah. 321 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.519 Is it's like you could generally get something that is, 322 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:56.680 to quote an off us phrased, just as good, you know, 323 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.319 maybe with a link there. Uh, and it is something 324 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.880 more expensive, and it's just like, is it really you know, 325 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.200 just as nice as a five hundred dollars rain shell 326 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.960 from ARII? No, it is, it is not, but it 327 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.680 also isn't five hundred dollars and uh as a sort 328 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:14.680 of quality all its own. 329 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:19.119 Sorry, it's a good bite. 330 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:23.319 Oh not at all, man. The Uh yeah, I uh 331 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:27.720 have been meaning to get more into uh you know, backpacking. 332 00:19:27.759 --> 00:19:29.440 It's just you know, a bought a house and haven't 333 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:33.400 had much free time. But uh, I am not at all. 334 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.599 But uh are you friends with any kind of like 335 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.640 you know, long distance runners or people like that. 336 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.759 Uh, yeah, I have. I've done I've done a bit 337 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:43.680 of that myself. 338 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:50.240 I think these people are psychopaths, like genuinely obviously. You know, 339 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.720 running a marathon is impressive, you know. I know some 340 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.240 guys who are into like the Ironman circuit doing that 341 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.559 whole thing, which again is you know, cool and impressive, 342 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:00.559 but at a certain point, it just seems like masochism, right, 343 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.319 like a delicate side to hurt yourself. Yeah, and dude, 344 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.079 this weekend and I did sign up for it, like 345 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:07.839 I'm happy to do it. A friend of mine I 346 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.680 don't see much is running a fifty mile overnight race, 347 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.920 like it starts at midnight, insane dude up and down 348 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.839 a mountain. And so I've agreed to drive him out 349 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:21.559 to the start line and just kind of leave him 350 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:25.519 there and you know, he's in his mid forties now, 351 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.000 he's been doing it for the past twenty years. Like, 352 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.000 on one hand, I'm like, that's incredibly impressive, but also 353 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:35.400 why are you doing that? Like did someone hurt you? 354 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:38.200 You know, are you looking to funish yourself or something? 355 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:43.319 Yeah, you know part of it is and this is 356 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.599 this is my theory. There, there's this there's this mentality 357 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.880 in it seems to be very American, but I think 358 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.440 it could also just be very male. That you know, 359 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:58.920 if you want to stay in shape, you have to 360 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:02.480 do something come heetitive when it's like you could also 361 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.319 just go for a run or go for a hike. 362 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.319 And what I've done is I've brought my mileage way 363 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.680 down because the problem is you get to a point 364 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.160 where you're like, I'm not going to be able to 365 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:17.200 lift nearly as much just because of the time that 366 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.240 you have to focus as well as your training orientation. 367 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.839 You're faster the less weight you're carrying. I want to 368 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.039 be able to like not die when someone tries to 369 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:33.559 beat me to death. And so you know, if you're 370 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.839 a long distance runner, like there's very few guys that 371 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:42.200 can maintain much of an overall physique who are running 372 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:46.440 like super long distances. So for me, I transitioned into 373 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:50.839 the shorter, shorter distances, and then now I just I'm 374 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:54.240 like I'm running tonight. I'll run about four miles tonight, 375 00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:59.480 regardless of the weather, to a destination, and then my 376 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:01.680 wife'll be there and I'll be able to do a 377 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.640 change of clothes, have a short workout, hang out in 378 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.880 the sauna, and then go have a drink. Very healthy. 379 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:14.799 I do want to say for the record, Machiavelli sucks 380 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.160 to go. Asks three fifty seven is my biggest handgun. 381 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:23.920 So that isn't enough. Go to Buffalo bore ammunition and 382 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:28.119 get a hard cast lead three point fifty seven load. 383 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.160 And then the reason you have that cylinder with more 384 00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:33.319 than one hole in it is that you shoot more 385 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.240 than once when there's when there's a bear. They have 386 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.119 they have records from like Alaskan fishing guides who've killed 387 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.880 bears with nine millimeters loaded with their loads. Because again, 388 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:50.000 you have a magazine and so you shoot more than once. 389 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:56.039 This the one shot stop thing doesn't really do much 390 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:01.240 for you. You use the magazine. So yeah, you're you're 391 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.640 fine with the three fifty seven. I think, I mean, 392 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.559 it's be better to have like a ten millimeter or 393 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.920 a forty four magnum, you know, theoretically, but I think 394 00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:15.599 you're probably okay, just aim Well. 395 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:20.000 I'm a big fan of rifle length three fifty seven 396 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:24.000 for deer hunting. Yeah, Joony, my Retardo Henry, I've used 397 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:28.759 a great effect and Buffalo bar again, they have a 398 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:32.200 one hundred and fifty eight jacketed hollow point that will 399 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.880 do twenty two hundred feet per second out of the 400 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.720 sixteen inch barrel, which is, you know, it's not gonna 401 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.720