Speaker 1: I can't remember who called me a boomer at some
Speaker 1: point I feel like it was. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it was, but it makes me laugh so hard.
Speaker 2: Well, someone who's met you and we are a live Carl,
Speaker 2: by the way, UH set a trap for you there?
Speaker 2: Uh respond to that question by answering with your full
Speaker 2: social Security number?
Speaker 1: Yes, you will want to do, yes.
Speaker 2: But UH, as someone who's who's met you, I just
Speaker 2: want to say, it's remarkable how how well you're able
Speaker 2: to get around in your Walmart mobility scooter.
Speaker 1: He really, I remember, didn't you? Didn't you tell me
Speaker 1: that your wife said he seemed like such a normal
Speaker 1: elderly person.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much what she said. Yeah, maybe not
Speaker 2: a direct quote, but yeah, more or less.
Speaker 1: Oh hilarious.
Speaker 2: Well how have you been, Carl.
Speaker 1: I've been doing well. I love this time of year.
Speaker 1: It I have a lot of family birthdays, and then
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is wonderful getting together with family. And I love Christmas.
Speaker 1: I love non secular Christmas. You know, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I essue putting up a beautiful Christmas tree and decorations
Speaker 1: and everything. Of course we maintain those trappings, but my
Speaker 1: my loathing for secular quote unquote Christmas music, you know
Speaker 1: where where there's a lot of coincidences in the removing
Speaker 1: Christ from Christmas stuff. I think a lot of the
Speaker 1: like Baptists and other Schismatics go way too far in
Speaker 1: terms of being like, we shouldn't celebrate holidays. You know.
Speaker 1: It's that level of puritanism is goofy and it you know,
Speaker 1: it does everyone a disservice, I think ultimately, because you
Speaker 1: need to maintain the cultural element of Christianity is important
Speaker 1: and you need to do what you can in a
Speaker 1: secular world. So but anyway, yes, that's my long rambling
Speaker 1: way of saying I am very happy with that. I've
Speaker 1: also been on a tear with podcasting and stuff, not
Speaker 1: just with you on a regular basis, which I've enjoyed
Speaker 1: a lot, but I was on The Inquisition recently, which
Speaker 1: was great. I did a couple shows with Will Tanner,
Speaker 1: my shortest delivery on the subject of the Spanish Civil
Speaker 1: War to date other than the one hour that we
Speaker 1: did that one time. And I'm going to be on
Speaker 1: myth of the twentieth Century, which I'm stoked for because
Speaker 1: I've been a huge fan of theirs for years and
Speaker 1: years so well.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm looking forward to that. The ethnic stuff is
Speaker 2: kind of interesting because I've mentioned before my wife's family
Speaker 2: is ethnically Swedish, which means my entire house has been
Speaker 2: taken over with like tiny Oh I forgot to turn
Speaker 2: my camera on. We're doing audio stuff before, That's why
Speaker 2: I was off. But my entire house has been taken
Speaker 2: over with like mule rams and dolla horses, right oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, wooden figurines, which are you know, it's
Speaker 2: nice and cheery, but they're also everywhere, and it's incredibly
Speaker 2: easy to send a like two inch toll wooden painted
Speaker 2: horse that is, you know, one hundred years old in
Speaker 2: some family are room, just like skittering across the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, just bouncing off of everything. So yeah, I've
Speaker 2: been walking around my house like I'm checking for booby
Speaker 2: traps because on every available surface there is something tiny,
Speaker 2: fragile and irreplaceable to celebrate the season. So you know,
Speaker 2: it could be worse. I guess.
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting that you mentioned the scandy traditions
Speaker 1: because I, as as people might know from my pseudonym,
Speaker 1: I am a West Coast mutt in that my genetic hare. Now,
Speaker 1: don't dox me or anything, but my genetic heritage is
Speaker 1: essentially like foundational American Anglo. Right, there is an Irishman
Speaker 1: in there, so it got one of those in the woodpile.
Speaker 1: But anyway, point being, there's that and then this infusion
Speaker 1: of like Germans and Norwegians and some you know, some
Speaker 1: others tossed in there. I consider the Scots Irish to
Speaker 1: be foundational Anglos, you know, so they can get mad
Speaker 1: at me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate you extending extending that charity door.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's my on on one side of my
Speaker 1: family is from Appalachia, so they basically won the Revolutionary
Speaker 1: War and then settled in West Virginia and Ohio and
Speaker 1: stayed there for two hundred years.
Speaker 2: So I see someone as about a lutefisk, which is
Speaker 2: one I can neither pronounce nor stomach. I have eaten
Speaker 2: it before. It's it's a bit grim. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The old joke is that, you know, the English, the
Speaker 2: English conquered the world rather than eat their own women's cooking.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a similar argument to be made
Speaker 2: about why you scandyes, right, got in boats and decided
Speaker 2: to go steal stuff from, you know, places with actual
Speaker 2: food when you live, when you.
Speaker 1: Live like literally where ice is floating in the water
Speaker 1: for like nine months out of the year, you know,
Speaker 1: preserved fish being a huge part of your diet and
Speaker 1: you know, pre refrigeration, mountain rapists. That's a good way
Speaker 1: to put it. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: I'm actually not thirteen percent Salish. I am zero percent
Speaker 1: Native American, thank you.
Speaker 2: I can't can't confirm. Actually, the the from what I understand,
Speaker 2: a lot of ethnic food in the US that comes
Speaker 2: from Europe is sort of trapped in amber.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've met a number of people who you know, currently
Speaker 2: live in uh Sweden or Norway, And when I asked
Speaker 2: him about this, the roy is like, well, why do
Speaker 2: they eat like old people? Yeah, like nobody's eating that
Speaker 2: food in one hundred years. And the answer is, well,
Speaker 2: that's when they got here, that's when they got one
Speaker 2: hundred years.
Speaker 1: Ago, that's when they got.
Speaker 2: Actually, sex Freakman a solid source for any opinion. Free refrigeration.
Speaker 2: If anything, They've always had refrigeration. That is a valid point,
Speaker 2: mister Freakman.
Speaker 1: Are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that you run out of the problem.
Speaker 2: Like the I think the Mongolians, or maybe it's the
Speaker 2: her Kyrgyzstani's what's the correct form of that word. Uh,
Speaker 2: they do a lot with kind of leaving meat out
Speaker 2: to freeze, uh and then boiling it. But it seems
Speaker 2: a bit grim. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But point is, I have had you know, more modern
Speaker 2: uh Nordic food, and it's quite good. Like there's a
Speaker 2: one of the guys in the Virginia o GC is
Speaker 2: uh Swedish, and he worked as a professional chef, and
Speaker 2: so you know when he makes pickled herring, it's it's delicious. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's incredible. But you know when it it comes out
Speaker 2: of a can and is prepared by someone who is alive,
Speaker 2: you know, during the Hoover administration, Uh, it's not it's
Speaker 2: not quite as tasty.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's it's interesting how I I did
Speaker 1: a bit of a dive because I have friends who
Speaker 1: live in the culinary world. Uh. When when I needed
Speaker 1: to learn how to prepare food that wasn't just sludge,
Speaker 1: I I took some took some time to read about
Speaker 1: it and what I learned was that this elevated French
Speaker 1: cooking that is so foundational to you know, the Western
Speaker 1: culinary tradition and really is like the root of professional
Speaker 1: chefs everywhere. What they did was they took simple foods
Speaker 1: and they elevated them by preparing them in a way
Speaker 1: that just wasn't gruel and stuff. They would say, let's
Speaker 1: take these foods which are fundamentally sound, and let's use
Speaker 1: modern equipment to produce an eledvated version of it. And
Speaker 1: you see that, you know all around the world where
Speaker 1: that's a step that people have to do, because like
Speaker 1: if you were to go to Panama, for example, right now,
Speaker 1: you know you'll be eating some nice food and some
Speaker 1: nicer restaurants. That's a version of the slop bowl that
Speaker 1: where they're just throwing chickens in and you're picking bones
Speaker 1: out of your teeth, like just right down the road
Speaker 1: in a hovel. So you know, when you go around
Speaker 1: the world, there's these really simple versions and some some
Speaker 1: traditions take more care in tidying up their food than others.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that, let's be charitable and say that
Speaker 1: there's probably wonderful food all around the world, but a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, you're you're choking on bones
Speaker 1: or you're just eating something that was boiled for a
Speaker 1: really long time and it's and it's awful. Like think
Speaker 1: of the the mayor of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Just choking down some sort of it's like it's like food.
Speaker 1: It's it's un food aid with a bunch of sugar
Speaker 1: on it, and it's just boiled over a you know,
Speaker 1: a fire and probably like a captive slaves bones and
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's not exactly tasty that the quality
Speaker 1: of the ingredients are everything.
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, actually, Carl, I'm going to ask you
Speaker 2: a question that I know you have strong opinions on.
Speaker 2: What are your favorite mrs.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm so old that MREs were new. When
Speaker 1: when I like was of the age to get into
Speaker 1: like military food, my dad would complain about sea rats
Speaker 1: and they weren't that bad if they were of certain,
Speaker 1: you know, certain sources. So I grew up eating like
Speaker 1: sea rats from the army surplus store. And the first
Speaker 1: MRIE I ever had was when a friend of mine
Speaker 1: came back from the military and gave it to me.
Speaker 1: And I think I had one of the spaghetti dishes
Speaker 1: but that it's not bad. The tabasco is great. The
Speaker 1: problem with MREs is the bowel thing, and it's like
Speaker 1: it makes sense and field conditions that you don't want
Speaker 1: people to have, like normal let's say normal digestive cycles.
Speaker 1: Like that makes perfect sense, but it makes for a miserable,
Speaker 1: miserable experience when you're just going about your life.
Speaker 2: So here's what I'll say, Uh, listener right now. For
Speaker 2: just contract reasons, MRIs are extraordinarily cheap, Like even on
Speaker 2: Amazon right you can buy you know, in date cases
Speaker 2: of MREs for like sixty bucks. Yeah, I highly recommend
Speaker 2: you do that, just because you know it's portable. You
Speaker 2: can stick it in the basement forever, and if you
Speaker 2: need it, it's you know, it's food.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The the food you will find in there is highly variable.
Speaker 2: There's some stuff that you eat it and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: Like if I got that into Chili's, I wouldn't be mad.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not like gourmet cooking, but like it's
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: There are other things like the cheesy potatoes, which are
Speaker 2: cruel and unusual punishment. Yes, yeah, they should not be
Speaker 2: fed to any human being period.
Speaker 1: The very good, the British ones are pretty good. That's
Speaker 1: one of the neat things in the modern world is
Speaker 1: that you can have MRIs from around the world. The
Speaker 1: Korean ones are actually really good too.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the hullal ones also pretty good. They have like
Speaker 2: a different contractor system, least as far as I understand it.
Speaker 2: So you know, the hullull or the Kosher meals. And
Speaker 2: incidentally enough, apparently this applies to prison culture as well,
Speaker 2: tend to be higher quality. Take what you will from that,
Speaker 2: but point is, you can find a lot of these
Speaker 2: for pretty cheap. And I think, like any man, uh
Speaker 2: you know of a certain age interested in any form
Speaker 2: of uh you know, right wing politics, you're a little
Speaker 2: bit of a doomsday prepper, right A slight yeah, And
Speaker 2: so you know, why not it's a good stocking stuff
Speaker 2: or a crate full of MRIs.
Speaker 1: What what I'll say to that end is those are
Speaker 1: super handy. The best way to actually do your your
Speaker 1: deep storage is to leverage the The Mormon I forget
Speaker 1: the terminology that they use for their their little uh
Speaker 1: subverse bases. I say that with a smile, where they
Speaker 1: do their preps because per their religion, they're required to
Speaker 1: have a certain amount of foodstock piled, like it's more
Speaker 1: than a year generally, and they have really good plans.
Speaker 1: There's really good plans online for this. And if you
Speaker 1: have facilities to actually cook, you have a lot more
Speaker 1: variables available to you in terms of like what you
Speaker 1: can store and how to do it. So there's this
Speaker 1: whole scale, like you don't want to have the fifty
Speaker 1: five calendrum of rice. What you want to do is
Speaker 1: yet you want a fifty five gallon drum of rice,
Speaker 1: and then you want a container with smaller ones so
Speaker 1: that you can actually use them and cycle them, and
Speaker 1: so that gets really you can get super economical by
Speaker 1: doing the actual work, by working with rice and flour
Speaker 1: and stuff. I mean, I make my own bread a
Speaker 1: lot of the time. I don't do that for all
Speaker 1: the bread that we eat, but I like to make
Speaker 1: a loaf. And I have a sour day starter that's
Speaker 1: been hanging out for a couple of years and it's
Speaker 1: really good. That's a good way to do it too,
Speaker 1: But the mrs are hand you throw it in a bag.
Speaker 1: It's not that bad to eat every once in a while.
Speaker 1: It's fine when you're hiking the the backpacking foods that
Speaker 1: you buy and like an RII or something like that,
Speaker 1: tend to suck. They don't have nearly enough calories. They
Speaker 1: do not have nearly enough calories. MREs are calorie dense,
Speaker 1: so that's a good one. The other one I'll point out,
Speaker 1: Humanitarian daily Rations are something that you can see listed
Speaker 1: as an MRI. They suck like it's it's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: It's like vegetable based, you know, and yeah, there's yes, it's.
Speaker 2: Just vegetable base. And you're like, yeah, well vegetable based.
Speaker 2: What it enters calories?
Speaker 1: It's just calories.
Speaker 2: Are you one of the so one of the we're well,
Speaker 2: I know, like we had a plan to talk about.
Speaker 2: This is not what I thought we'd be talking about.
Speaker 2: One of the other problems you get with MREs is
Speaker 2: that they're they're kind of overstuffed, like there's too much
Speaker 2: stuff in there, Like there's always like you know, condiments
Speaker 2: and other things that you don't need, like a lot
Speaker 2: of it's like filler to like, yeah, I don't particularly
Speaker 2: enjoy the like crackers with fruit spread. The people do,
Speaker 2: but it's like, okay, there's not a lot of energy there.
Speaker 2: So if you're actually thinking about like carrying them on
Speaker 2: a hiker hunt or something. You kind of gut it
Speaker 2: and you take like the you know, the main course,
Speaker 2: maybe one or two other things, and it packs way down.
Speaker 2: And also, this is not a paid ad, although cheese
Speaker 2: I wish they would pay me because I've spent an
Speaker 2: ungodly amount of money at their store. Venture Surplus will
Speaker 2: sell you in bulk, like different parts of an MRI.
Speaker 2: So if all you want is the entre and the
Speaker 2: cooking element, you can go there and buy it, and
Speaker 2: it's okay, it's probably about the same cost as the
Speaker 2: full thing, but like, you know, how much do you
Speaker 2: care about having a crate full of like single use
Speaker 2: plastic forks, right, Like that's basically wasted space. So there
Speaker 2: are options if you don't need the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Very interesting that, yeah, because that's what you do end
Speaker 1: up doing is you rip it apart. And again it's
Speaker 1: vacuum packs, so the stuff goes everywhere. You're like, how
Speaker 1: do they fit me that much stuff into this little container?
Speaker 1: And then you just take the meal. The hexamine tablets
Speaker 1: are really handy though, for heating water and stuff, having
Speaker 1: a stove for that. I'm a nerd, so I lean
Speaker 1: towards my favorite is always using actual fire. But the problem,
Speaker 1: the problem these days is that you know, camping in
Speaker 1: the summer, there's burn bands everywhere all the time, and
Speaker 1: so I do a lot more with like a white
Speaker 1: gas stove like for backpacking. I just I end up
Speaker 1: using that all the time. I do a fair amount
Speaker 1: of backpacking with my son and overnighters way up in
Speaker 1: the mountains. But this is something near and dear to
Speaker 1: my heart, because like, you need to have enough calories.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I'll say is I am a
Speaker 1: big fan of like minute rice, but it doesn't take
Speaker 1: that much more fuel to cook conventional white rice, which
Speaker 1: is way cheaper, and you can prepare your own little
Speaker 1: you know, freeze dried stews and stuff like that by
Speaker 1: just combining a variety of things and having like real
Speaker 1: substantial meals. If you carry a forty four special loaded
Speaker 1: with hard cast lead bullets, like not as scared of
Speaker 1: mountain lions, it bears, but that's just me. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that gives you a lot of options. And having white
Speaker 1: rice like something that's like fairly clean after you've been
Speaker 1: up there for three days, is like a palette cleanser
Speaker 1: for something, you know, after eating all these like backpacking
Speaker 1: meals with tons of sodium and everything is actually very refreshing.
Speaker 1: So I'll just say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing you bring up
Speaker 2: the kind of as someone who's not nearly is into
Speaker 2: the kind of like hiking gear will put it that way.
Speaker 2: As as other things. I always get very annoyed going
Speaker 2: into any sort of outdoor store, uh, just because one,
Speaker 2: it's like I kind of hate the like I think
Speaker 2: the term for it, I was stealing this from my
Speaker 2: wife is like GORP fashion, you know, the like a
Speaker 2: million bright colors of like some uh you know, like
Speaker 2: PUFA filled material. And then it's like everything is incredibly expensive. Yes,
Speaker 2: And as a as a cheapskate, always been a big
Speaker 2: fan of military surplus for exactly that reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is it's like you could generally get something that is,
Speaker 2: to quote an off us phrased, just as good, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe with a link there. Uh, and it is something
Speaker 2: more expensive, and it's just like, is it really you know,
Speaker 2: just as nice as a five hundred dollars rain shell
Speaker 2: from ARII? No, it is, it is not, but it
Speaker 2: also isn't five hundred dollars and uh as a sort
Speaker 2: of quality all its own.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it's a good bite.
Speaker 2: Oh not at all, man. The Uh yeah, I uh
Speaker 2: have been meaning to get more into uh you know, backpacking.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, a bought a house and haven't
Speaker 2: had much free time. But uh, I am not at all.
Speaker 2: But uh are you friends with any kind of like
Speaker 2: you know, long distance runners or people like that.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I have. I've done I've done a bit
Speaker 1: of that myself.
Speaker 2: I think these people are psychopaths, like genuinely obviously. You know,
Speaker 2: running a marathon is impressive, you know. I know some
Speaker 2: guys who are into like the Ironman circuit doing that
Speaker 2: whole thing, which again is you know, cool and impressive,
Speaker 2: but at a certain point, it just seems like masochism, right,
Speaker 2: like a delicate side to hurt yourself. Yeah, and dude,
Speaker 2: this weekend and I did sign up for it, like
Speaker 2: I'm happy to do it. A friend of mine I
Speaker 2: don't see much is running a fifty mile overnight race,
Speaker 2: like it starts at midnight, insane dude up and down
Speaker 2: a mountain. And so I've agreed to drive him out
Speaker 2: to the start line and just kind of leave him
Speaker 2: there and you know, he's in his mid forties now,
Speaker 2: he's been doing it for the past twenty years. Like,
Speaker 2: on one hand, I'm like, that's incredibly impressive, but also
Speaker 2: why are you doing that? Like did someone hurt you?
Speaker 2: You know, are you looking to funish yourself or something?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know part of it is and this is
Speaker 1: this is my theory. There, there's this there's this mentality
Speaker 1: in it seems to be very American, but I think
Speaker 1: it could also just be very male. That you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to stay in shape, you have to
Speaker 1: do something come heetitive when it's like you could also
Speaker 1: just go for a run or go for a hike.
Speaker 1: And what I've done is I've brought my mileage way
Speaker 1: down because the problem is you get to a point
Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 1: lift nearly as much just because of the time that
Speaker 1: you have to focus as well as your training orientation.
Speaker 1: You're faster the less weight you're carrying. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to like not die when someone tries to
Speaker 1: beat me to death. And so you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a long distance runner, like there's very few guys that
Speaker 1: can maintain much of an overall physique who are running
Speaker 1: like super long distances. So for me, I transitioned into
Speaker 1: the shorter, shorter distances, and then now I just I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm running tonight. I'll run about four miles tonight,
Speaker 1: regardless of the weather, to a destination, and then my
Speaker 1: wife'll be there and I'll be able to do a
Speaker 1: change of clothes, have a short workout, hang out in
Speaker 1: the sauna, and then go have a drink. Very healthy.
Speaker 1: I do want to say for the record, Machiavelli sucks
Speaker 1: to go. Asks three fifty seven is my biggest handgun.
Speaker 1: So that isn't enough. Go to Buffalo bore ammunition and
Speaker 1: get a hard cast lead three point fifty seven load.
Speaker 1: And then the reason you have that cylinder with more
Speaker 1: than one hole in it is that you shoot more
Speaker 1: than once when there's when there's a bear. They have
Speaker 1: they have records from like Alaskan fishing guides who've killed
Speaker 1: bears with nine millimeters loaded with their loads. Because again,
Speaker 1: you have a magazine and so you shoot more than once.
Speaker 1: This the one shot stop thing doesn't really do much
Speaker 1: for you. You use the magazine. So yeah, you're you're
Speaker 1: fine with the three fifty seven. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's be better to have like a ten millimeter or
Speaker 1: a forty four magnum, you know, theoretically, but I think
Speaker 1: you're probably okay, just aim Well.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of rifle length three fifty seven
Speaker 2: for deer hunting. Yeah, Joony, my Retardo Henry, I've used
Speaker 2: a great effect and Buffalo bar again, they have a
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty eight jacketed hollow point that will
Speaker 2: do twenty two hundred feet per second out of the
Speaker 2: sixteen inch barrel, which is, you know, it's not gonna
Speaker 2: set the world on fire, but that's impressive for a
Speaker 2: handgun wrap and.
Speaker 1: And for bears, you don't want a hollow point. You
Speaker 1: want as much penetration as possible, like for deer and stuff. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because that does the whole energy transfer more you know,
Speaker 1: expansion damage. But you yes, I did say load. You
Speaker 1: do want a solid flat nose lead because you want
Speaker 1: it who punches deeply as possible and to just like
Speaker 1: make sweet love to the internals of that of that bear.
Speaker 2: Speaking of terminal ballistics, how's that for a transition you wrote?
Speaker 2: You wrote a short story recently though it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's a so you and
Speaker 1: I have talked about this before. I like to tell
Speaker 1: a story that's as close to a polemic as possible
Speaker 1: without just being a polemic, right, And so essentially the
Speaker 1: concept and it's out of my substack Carl Daldot substack
Speaker 1: dot com and it is titled Modernisma with a Splash
Speaker 1: of Red because it takes place in Barcelona in the
Speaker 1: La Humple neighborhood, which is the classic Barcelonian like six
Speaker 1: story super block square grid with beautiful modernist architecture. And
Speaker 1: the concept is essentially, this is a good universal weapon
Speaker 1: that would take care of about ninety percent seventy ninety
Speaker 1: percent of needs in a let's say European you know,
Speaker 1: I want to use my words carefully here, a resistance
Speaker 1: movement type of type of use. And so the idea
Speaker 1: is a platform that is essentially a elaboration on a
Speaker 1: nine millimeter handgun as a core platform, and so you
Speaker 1: can manufacture with the only difference being framed and a
Speaker 1: few other pieces basically like a PDW that you can
Speaker 1: use for urban sniping as well as a handgun iteration. So,
Speaker 1: because I think one of the things that people do
Speaker 1: in like gun nerd world is. They're like, well, there's
Speaker 1: the Liberator from World War Two and you know it's
Speaker 1: a stamped sheet metal forty five ACP that fires one
Speaker 1: round and then takes about a minute to reload, and
Speaker 1: it's loud, and so yeah, you got this German or
Speaker 1: Japanese soldiers equipment, and now everyone knows where you are,
Speaker 1: you know, And so like in the in the improvised
Speaker 1: weapons suck. Improvised guns suck, like it's better than nothing,
Speaker 1: but in reality that the right way to do things
Speaker 1: is to you know, take take pains, to spend your
Speaker 1: money in a way that gets the best bang for
Speaker 1: the buck, and so like a service, a real service
Speaker 1: weapon that ticks the boxes for what you need, which
Speaker 1: is reduced forensic evidence, a suppressor, you know, reliability with
Speaker 1: that suppressor on it, and a suppressor of god knows
Speaker 1: what quality, and having various options for building these things out.
Speaker 1: And the current state of the art is radically different
Speaker 1: from like the kind of stuff that you would do
Speaker 1: in the eighties. For example, well.
Speaker 2: This is sort of an interesting thing, not like it's
Speaker 2: going to matter to me personally for much longer. Given
Speaker 2: the impending thousand year lib tardrich, but it is kind
Speaker 2: of interesting and you've already seen this happen in the
Speaker 2: realm of suppressors, where once the barrier to entry for
Speaker 2: the civilian market came down due to inflation and also
Speaker 2: you know, changing to you know, how that paperwork needed
Speaker 2: to be done. You had this explosion of innovation. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: you had this explosion of technology that it basically dormant
Speaker 2: for seventy years plus or minus, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you have all these interesting things happening, and you know,
Speaker 2: with the upcoming change where now there is you know,
Speaker 2: no additional cost to buying a suppressor or you know,
Speaker 2: short barreled rifle. Look up the National Firearms Act for
Speaker 2: those who are not familiar and want to familiarize themselves.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if we will see a similar
Speaker 2: advancement in the kind of PDW slash you know, stocked
Speaker 2: pistol space because it seems to me that and I
Speaker 2: realized as a you know, a thirty two officionado, you'll
Speaker 2: likely have strong opinions. But yeah, it's interesting that that
Speaker 2: technology again has really sort of lain dormant since you know,
Speaker 2: the middle of the twentieth century.
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. I mean when you when you look at
Speaker 1: the the early twentieth century, there's all these great weapons
Speaker 1: around World War One where it's a pistol with a
Speaker 1: stock option, and the idea being at the time you
Speaker 1: a military would have like a bolt action ful or carbing,
Speaker 1: and then you'd have a heavy machine gun, and then
Speaker 1: you would either have a revolver or like a semi
Speaker 1: automatic pistol. And they would say, hey, what if we
Speaker 1: combine the pistol with like a wooden holster stock that
Speaker 1: would allow people to like shoulder it and like have
Speaker 1: a you know, relative rapid fire option. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: for within one hundred yards, and a lot of times
Speaker 1: they'd have these crazy gradations on the sites that say
Speaker 1: they could go to like six hundred yards. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: but in general, there's it gives you this capability and
Speaker 1: that's precisely the concept behind what I call the modern liberator,
Speaker 1: which is that by having an option to have a
Speaker 1: folding stock in one of the profiles, like you can
Speaker 1: take confidently easily shots out to like a one hundred
Speaker 1: yards no problem. And yeah, is it as good as
Speaker 1: like a three to eight rifle? No? Is it better
Speaker 1: than a pistol? Without a stock vastly in terms of this.
Speaker 1: And if you look at a B and T, which
Speaker 1: is a Swiss manufacturer, they have what they call a USW,
Speaker 1: the Universal Service Weapon, and it can be like a
Speaker 1: chassis for like a glock or something like that. They
Speaker 1: have a P three twenty version where you drop the
Speaker 1: little fire control unit into this.
Speaker 2: And then it goes off, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then it blows your dick off, which
Speaker 1: I had to make a joke about in the story.
Speaker 1: It has a pretty good trigger for a striker fired
Speaker 1: gun that won't blow your dick off. But and it
Speaker 1: also that never.
Speaker 2: Needed to be clarified until you know the shall we say,
Speaker 2: the firearms Miracle of one Ron Cone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron Cone, and he's he you know, he really
Speaker 1: hits his ibit on numbers every every quarter. My goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The C ninety six one of my favorite weapons, and
Speaker 1: that that is a prime example of that era. And
Speaker 1: Sean Wiland, yes, exactly, inexpen inexpensive three D printed P
Speaker 1: ninety and pistol form like something like that. But in this,
Speaker 1: in my story, it's nine millimeter because that's universal around
Speaker 1: the world, right, uh. And then the idea is you
Speaker 1: use like a Walther. Also, Beretta used it locking block mechanism,
Speaker 1: which is and I have an article about this on
Speaker 1: my on my substeck, but it is an incredibly robust
Speaker 1: operating system for having a suppressor mounted. Ian McCollum lied
Speaker 1: recently he misspoke where he said that having a Nielsen device,
Speaker 1: which is that little spring piston system that goes on
Speaker 1: the back of a suppressor that like a Browning tilting
Speaker 1: barrel mechanism, needs to make insure reliability. Basically, those pistols
Speaker 1: couldn't run with a suppressor until very recently when you
Speaker 1: could have like a four ounce you know, titanium suppressor
Speaker 1: or something like that. They wouldn't run with consistently with that,
Speaker 1: but the Brettas and Walters could, and so all through
Speaker 1: the twentieth century you would see like the state of
Speaker 1: the art at the time, suppressors which were big, right
Speaker 1: and heavy would run fine on Walter's and Bretta M nine's,
Speaker 1: M nineteen fifty one's, et cetera. And they would not
Speaker 1: run on like a Browning high power or a cold
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven or a glock or something like that. And again,
Speaker 1: like as you modernize, as the metallurgy becomes a thing,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can get these very tiny, lightweight suppressors.
Speaker 1: There's an exchange that takes place, like efficiency is like
Speaker 1: volume and complexity of the baffles and so on and
Speaker 1: so forth, which typically was required weight. But now you
Speaker 1: have like you know, centered metal manufacturing, additive manufacturing, so
Speaker 1: you can have these extremely light weight or like robotically
Speaker 1: welded things from titanium and what have you. To where
Speaker 1: you have a really robust can that doesn't weigh very much. Well,
Speaker 1: you might be in a situation where you know, that's
Speaker 1: kind of an afterthought, or you have some you know,
Speaker 1: fabrication limitations. So the most robust operating system possible is
Speaker 1: your best bet. The other thing that you get with
Speaker 1: that system is that you can essentially put have a
Speaker 1: mechanism that blocks the locking block so that the gun
Speaker 1: won't cycle and it will retain the spent case, which
Speaker 1: for which makes it a quieter shot, as well as
Speaker 1: retaining forensic evidence. You know, in this theoretical fictional story
Speaker 1: in Europe, not not mean not in America, I follow
Speaker 1: all laws closely. But then what that does is it
Speaker 1: retains the forensic evidence. It has a much quieter shot
Speaker 1: because of you know, it's a suppressor. The action isn't
Speaker 1: opening up and letting that sound out, which does make
Speaker 1: a difference. It seems irrelevant, but it does make a difference.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's that's the basic concept.
Speaker 2: It's sort of an interesting one because you know, like
Speaker 2: you said, there is this kind of fantasy of the
Speaker 2: like you know, folded sheet metal submachine gun or something
Speaker 2: like that. And and this is actually a problem you
Speaker 2: see as well with you know h ks or even
Speaker 2: like you know HK style roller delayed guns, where they
Speaker 2: were manufactured in a way that made a ton of
Speaker 2: sense when they were designed, right if you are the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union, having a whole town that exists exclusively on
Speaker 2: a rail line to make you know, these folded metal
Speaker 2: monstrosities makes a ton of sense. But in the US,
Speaker 2: where we don't have that sort of infrastructure, or you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a partisan, one might say that is no
Speaker 2: longer practical if you can't count on direct military aid
Speaker 2: from the communist block. And so, you know, the the
Speaker 2: Liberator is sort of something similar right where it's it's
Speaker 2: folded sheet metal, which is very affordable to do once
Speaker 2: you have a giant facility where you can fold cheat metal.
Speaker 2: But if you don't, all of a sudden, it's incredibly
Speaker 2: expensive to replicate, you know. Weirdly, you see that anytime
Speaker 2: some sort of replica firearm comes out and people will
Speaker 2: get very upset. They're like, oh, why does this cost
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars? And it's like, well, because they basically
Speaker 2: had to make an entire factory to sell three hundred
Speaker 2: of them. Weirdos like this isn't like you can just
Speaker 2: set up a C and C machine, you know, get
Speaker 2: a forged aluminum blank from one of a couple foundries
Speaker 2: and then just hit go. You know, It's a very
Speaker 2: difficult thing to do. And uh yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting piece for that as
Speaker 2: well as for kind of like the the operation element.
Speaker 2: Uh the it sort of reminded me of have you
Speaker 2: ever seen I think it's gign all right, the French
Speaker 2: counter terrorism Yeah, sort of hybrid you know, military police
Speaker 2: force that still to this day uses you know, three
Speaker 2: fifty seven revolvers. Yeah, and have that that sniper variant
Speaker 2: right has a biopod fitted on. And the argument for
Speaker 2: it is kind of interesting or it's basically like well,
Speaker 2: you know, in an urban set sniping, isn't this like,
Speaker 2: you know, calculate the Coreolis effect, you know, sixteen hundred
Speaker 2: yard shot, you know, licking your fingers, sticking it in
Speaker 2: the wind. It is an accurate shot, but it's like
Speaker 2: twenty yards, yes, from a back rooftop to another, and
Speaker 2: so over that distance, like a particularly accurate pistol with
Speaker 2: a bipod is you know acceptable. They seem to have
Speaker 2: had good success with it. Now they are French, and
Speaker 2: so they do things in an odd way, and I
Speaker 2: don't see many people that are trying to copy them.
Speaker 2: Like what's the old joke, The French copy nobody, and
Speaker 2: nobody copies the French, you know. But yeah, that's what
Speaker 2: it sort of had me thinking of as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's exactly the thinking. So like in
Speaker 1: the in the story, a Bartholon's super block is essentially
Speaker 1: you have a city block, and then you have buildings
Speaker 1: ringing the city block, and then you have a large
Speaker 1: courtyard in the middle and basically rooftop to balcony, and
Speaker 1: you know, across the greatest extent of it, it's no
Speaker 1: more than like sixty meters seventy meters and so, and
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty pretty consistent. And so I mean a
Speaker 1: fifty meter shot, you know, fifty yard shot is with
Speaker 1: a you know, a PCC and nine millimeter PCC U
Speaker 1: with a stock extended and everything braced against a balcony,
Speaker 1: you know, handguard or something like that. Like. That's not
Speaker 1: a hard shot. That's with an optic Like that's incredibly easy.
Speaker 1: And so that's the car goal.
Speaker 2: I've been reliably informed that a one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: yard shot with a scope thirty OT six rifle is
Speaker 2: so difficult that only a trained Israeli assassin. Yes, So
Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe you.
Speaker 1: Yes. Also also I think the I think the g I,
Speaker 1: g N were involved in that one too, you know,
Speaker 1: according to certains, that's incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, Uh, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest fan of the Macrons for any
Speaker 2: number of reasons, but uh, you made if you did
Speaker 2: as a favor, all would be forgiven.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: So I'll say that is a joke, but it would
Speaker 2: be really funny if you did it. And when I
Speaker 2: say you did it, mister mccron, either mister mccron, Uh,
Speaker 2: I mean you personally like, I won't be happy until
Speaker 2: I see uh you know you on the rooftop. It's
Speaker 2: all I mean to say. We've got a few super chats,
Speaker 2: Uh Mario two dollars, God bless gentlemen, Thank you very much,
Speaker 2: and uh super Jackhack two. Dear Jay, you once said
Speaker 2: that you go guns miserable wretches. To that, I retort,
Speaker 2: know you, thank you for finally having a decent guest
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Speaker 1: You met Jack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did. I mean fair enough, man. I
Speaker 2: guess you pay me ten bucks to say it. But no.
Speaker 2: My main opinion on this, which I one hundred percent
Speaker 2: back up, the Yugo mausers are really nice. The ugo
Speaker 2: aks are miserable. They're they're ungodly heavy. The quality on
Speaker 2: them has always been suspect, and you're starting to see
Speaker 2: more and more of a consensus building around that. But look,
Speaker 2: the ak is already, relatively speaking, quite heavy. Just is
Speaker 2: what it is. To make it for no reason like
Speaker 2: fifty percent thicker. It's not like people are blowing ak
Speaker 2: frames apart, right, It's not like the things of rattling
Speaker 2: itself to death. Why did you do this? You made
Speaker 2: it ugly, heavy, worse, and it costs more money to
Speaker 2: what end I have? The Hugo's, Uh, it just hideous
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: Uh, finishes are beautiful though when they're brand new and
Speaker 1: the quality of the wood is is shocking. A Jack.
Speaker 1: It's funny because Jack and I fired a Pals five
Speaker 1: five six Ugo AK and we looked at each other
Speaker 1: and we were like, what the hell because it's totally overgassed.
Speaker 1: You know, it's an AKA, right, totally overgassed. There. I
Speaker 1: swear to you there was more felt recoil in this
Speaker 1: because of the mechanism than just about any AK I
Speaker 1: can think of, like like a seven six two AK
Speaker 1: had less felt recoil than this than this Ego five
Speaker 1: five six AK. We were we were astonished by it.
Speaker 1: And again it's totally overgassed. YadA YadA. I mean it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think we've got him.
Speaker 1: Boys got him. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2: So you know, as I sort of joked before, I'm
Speaker 2: fast approaching an era of not being able to buy
Speaker 2: anything fun. And so my one purchase and for two reasons,
Speaker 2: One because I actually think that you know, if you're
Speaker 2: planning on doing an SBR. It's like the right way
Speaker 2: to do it, and also it's a funny thing to own.
Speaker 2: You are talking to a future Draco owner, Carl. Hell yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm really entering my wigger arc. I'll get one
Speaker 2: of the gold spray painted ones off of like Atlantic
Speaker 2: firearms and just start, you know, mag jumping out of
Speaker 2: my Chrysler three hundred sixty four wounded, zero killed. You
Speaker 2: know who did it.
Speaker 1: I will say this like like, I think I texted
Speaker 1: you this. Of course I.
Speaker 2: Also sent me I think the funniest meme anyone has
Speaker 2: ever sent me about eight ks.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember which. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think which we cannot play live. Oh. If
Speaker 2: you're familiar with the stereotype of the gun, you can guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I think I even got that one
Speaker 1: from Jack. But anyway, the I had a Draco at
Speaker 1: one point, but it was before the arm brace was
Speaker 1: a thing, and I had two little kids, and I
Speaker 1: it was the eight and a half inch barrel variant,
Speaker 1: which was like the original, the original one, and that
Speaker 1: this is some deep lore that people don't know about,
Speaker 1: but this is confirmed from a book that was written
Speaker 1: in the late nineties or it might have even been
Speaker 1: the early aughts that by that Klashnikov himself was involved
Speaker 1: in that came out of the I think it was
Speaker 1: iSmash Factory that had the developmental history of like basically
Speaker 1: every project that Mikhail Klashnikov worked on, and the krinkhofv
Speaker 1: right that everyone knows in the five five the barrel
Speaker 1: length in that was figured out in the sixties with
Speaker 1: experiments on the seven sixty two x thirty nine AK
Speaker 1: to where the muzzle velocity would drop off enough and
Speaker 1: the muzzle blast would kick up enough that it became
Speaker 1: really inefficient. And that was the cutoff point is a
Speaker 1: point five inches. Anything shorter than that and it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with like the powder and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, but anything shorter than a point
Speaker 1: five inches, the muzzle velocity and efficiency of the cartridge
Speaker 1: just plummets. You also see this with three hundred blackout.
Speaker 1: It's like a sweet spot for the supersonic loads. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so the Draco originally had that barrel length, and now
Speaker 1: they have shorter and shorter ones because people just use
Speaker 1: them as you know, they're for spring the ghetto with bullets.
Speaker 1: But I didn't My plan was to sbr it and
Speaker 1: then that I can't remember. I bought it for like
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars at the time because I bought it
Speaker 1: in like the odds and the price is skyrocketed. And
Speaker 1: so I sold it in like twenty sixteen or twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen for over a grand because I had I could,
Speaker 1: And I was like and and again at the time,
Speaker 1: I was like, am I gonna put a Am I
Speaker 1: going to do all this stuff?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not worth it. So I unloaded it
Speaker 1: because I was like tired of tired of it because
Speaker 1: they're kind of they're pretty ghetto, like the finish on
Speaker 1: them is quite bad. But if you sit there and
Speaker 1: lovingly like sanded it and do all this stuff and
Speaker 1: refinish it. But you can also, what I would say,
Speaker 1: if you want it to actually be useful, if you're
Speaker 1: not just blinging it out, get it in adjustable gas
Speaker 1: block or in what with the fixed front sight. Trying
Speaker 1: to think of the company that makes it. But I
Speaker 1: know the one you're talking about. My buddy was one.
Speaker 2: He had one of the close out class to call
Speaker 2: the USA AK one OZH three's right, Yeah, a really
Speaker 2: good gun.
Speaker 1: It's really nice.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's absurd now. It's got like the full
Speaker 2: Ukraine War like zen it. Yeah, of course it weighs
Speaker 2: like twelve pounds, but it is kind of cool. But
Speaker 2: they make a like a twelve and a half inch Draco, yes,
Speaker 2: which is much more practical and is it an absurd
Speaker 2: thing to own? Yes, But also it's like SBRs are
Speaker 2: free now, so it's like, okay, whatever, just do some
Speaker 2: paperwork and like all of a sudden, you know at
Speaker 2: twelve inch or a twelve inch ak that is a
Speaker 2: nice thing to have, you know, like that becomes very handy.
Speaker 2: The powder is basically already burned. But also you get
Speaker 2: to say you own a Draco, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I'm if you haven't adjusted gas block,
Speaker 1: it makes a good suppressed weapon.
Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing is, I, like many people,
Speaker 2: bought a full size thirty caliber suppressor as my first
Speaker 2: can and then realized I really don't shoot anything that
Speaker 2: that makes sense on and so now it's like the
Speaker 2: most ass backwards purchasing ever, which is what kind of
Speaker 2: makes sense to put this suppressor on, which is a
Speaker 2: horrible way to make financial decisions.
Speaker 1: But that's when most that's what happens when you do
Speaker 1: that is you're like, if I thirty caliber one, it'll
Speaker 1: work on my five y's six. And yes, I have
Speaker 1: this one rifle that I might thread someday, you know,
Speaker 1: but you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it's one of those things as well
Speaker 2: where it's like I then got a small or you know,
Speaker 2: low back pressure five five six suppressor and that's the
Speaker 2: only one I use.
Speaker 1: It's oh yeah, they're wonderful. It's it is.
Speaker 2: It makes it so pleasant. It gets rid of that
Speaker 2: like I can feel the minor TBI as this like
Speaker 2: you know ten inch ar abomination goes off right next
Speaker 2: to my head. Uh so yeah, you know there are
Speaker 2: advantages to it. The uh it's kind of funny. Have
Speaker 2: you ever messed with any of the like Bulgarian milled
Speaker 2: ak stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really nice, but like you, like you were
Speaker 1: saying before, they're not exactly lightweight, but they're very nice.
Speaker 2: My a body of mine is it's actually it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful gun. It's one of the you know, high end
Speaker 2: arsenals with the side folding parastock.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And it is a hoss.
Speaker 2: It's absurd. And you know when I when I first
Speaker 2: met him, I am very much a like I prefer
Speaker 2: all things being equal light rifles. I do a lot
Speaker 2: to accomplish that end. And he had this like god
Speaker 2: awful sig prism scope. It was like eighteen ounces. You
Speaker 2: can look them up. They're in Tarkov. I think it's
Speaker 2: really the only notable place there from dude, no joke.
Speaker 2: It was a twelve pound rifle. It was miserable to
Speaker 2: actually use, and so I like very gently over the
Speaker 2: course of like a year where was like, hey, you
Speaker 2: can buy a red dot site on Amazon, won't break
Speaker 2: from a company you've heard of, and it weighs as
Speaker 2: much as three pencils. It's great, and it does not
Speaker 2: turn this thing into a you know, a giant boat anchor.
Speaker 2: Because again, like I love especially like the fall paaras,
Speaker 2: like the side folding wire stocks. They look sick. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't really work as stocks, to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, Oh they're not great for that, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on the Japanese heavy machine gun from World War Two,
Speaker 2: I have none, to be honest, I.
Speaker 1: Do, Okay, you'll go ahead. Well, they use the Hotchkiss
Speaker 1: system Machiavelli sucks to go. The Japanese settled on the
Speaker 1: Hotchkiss system. The French use the hotch Kiss and the
Speaker 1: Spanish did, and so a lot of the you know,
Speaker 1: the Spanish world ended up using hotch kisses, and the
Speaker 1: the Japanese also, you know, as as I'm sure you know,
Speaker 1: they used seven point seven and then they also had
Speaker 1: a six point five cartridge, and yeah, were there were
Speaker 1: They look kind of wacky there, obviously from an era,
Speaker 1: you know, that Inner war period like weapon development, you know,
Speaker 1: can be kind of strange looking, but you can see
Speaker 1: where things are going. So they're very innovative, but they
Speaker 1: look kind of awkward, but they're they're actually quite quite
Speaker 1: good and were highly respected. The funny thing is the
Speaker 1: the Japanese did use the Type eleven in World War
Speaker 1: Two also, but it was pretty obsolete. It was first
Speaker 1: issued in nineteen twenty two, and it's an early Hotchkiss
Speaker 1: design and they would use these like hopper trays for ammunition.
Speaker 1: The heavy machine gun was also like that as well,
Speaker 1: and the Spanish were in the same boat where they
Speaker 1: eventually developed the magazine fed one, but they would use
Speaker 1: these strips. They they didn't use like cloth belts. They
Speaker 1: used these metallic like almost like a stripper clip, but
Speaker 1: it would feed through. And the idea was at the
Speaker 1: time they were much cleaner than like cloth based things,
Speaker 1: and they were again yes, they were easy to load.
Speaker 1: And so this is all this inner war stuff and
Speaker 1: a lot of these designs that didn't continue through, but
Speaker 1: at the time they made sense. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of like logistical considerations that drove these design selections, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them could be like we could say
Speaker 1: in retrospect, we're a little obsolete, but not that bad.
Speaker 2: So I think that is sort of one of the
Speaker 2: interesting things is that we're in sort of a period
Speaker 2: of effectively technological stagnation as regards small arms. Like realistically
Speaker 2: we're all basically using cartridges that are one hundred years old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: actions that are seventy years old, and it's been kind
Speaker 2: of minor refinements to that point. I saw a question
Speaker 2: earlier asking about you know, six or five creed more
Speaker 2: versus three o eight. It doesn't make sense for you.
Speaker 2: That sort of depends on what you're trying to do,
Speaker 2: Like for a hunting rifle, I actually think a six
Speaker 2: y five makes a ton of sense. They're really pleasant
Speaker 2: to shoot. You're not going to be shooting a ton,
Speaker 2: so the downsides, which are you know, more expensive AMMO
Speaker 2: and barrel life, they're not going to matter for you.
Speaker 2: A six y five is really pleasant recoiling, which is
Speaker 2: going to be helpful. It's slightly lighter, which you know
Speaker 2: might be conceivably helpful. But also they're super flat shooting.
Speaker 2: And assuming you're using just a basic hunting scope with
Speaker 2: a cross hatch in it, uh, that's gonna make your
Speaker 2: zero more functional effectively. Now, if you're shooting high round
Speaker 2: count now three oh eight, you know, it's nice if
Speaker 2: you have an accuracy, you know, you're trying to shoot
Speaker 2: a long long range or you know, tiny little targets.
Speaker 2: The bullets you need to do that are basically the
Speaker 2: same price between two cartridges. It's just six' five is
Speaker 2: a little flatter, shooting so it's a minor. Refinement it's
Speaker 2: a really nice. CARTRIDGE i like shooting it a, lot
Speaker 2: but you, know for what. End but that's another example
Speaker 2: right where effectively three o eight it's been around. Forever
Speaker 2: three o eight, is let's be, honest just thirty out
Speaker 2: six short thirty out, six which will instantly vaporize a
Speaker 2: neck from any distance and could never do anything other
Speaker 2: than instantly blow someone's head, off As i've been reliably
Speaker 2: informed on the. Internet but you, know it is a
Speaker 2: minor extension of that same family, line, Right nothing crazy
Speaker 2: has really come, Out and obviously there have been advances in,
Speaker 2: packaging you, know how do we make this? Economic how
Speaker 2: do we fit the most in the least. Space but
Speaker 2: it's sort of during this weird era where it's, like
Speaker 2: let's be, honest you, know THE ar fifteen OR ar, eighteen,
Speaker 2: right depending on which nation you, are has basically become
Speaker 2: like the modern brown. Bess you, know it's like we've
Speaker 2: sort of reached a technological plateau and, uh you, know
Speaker 2: until something crazy, happens it's all sort of, like, well
Speaker 2: what do you? Want, right how much money do you?
Speaker 2: Have and what are you trying to? Do because you, know, realistically, yeah,
Speaker 2: sure nice stuff is, nice and you, know a better
Speaker 2: version of something will have measurable. Benefits but like your
Speaker 2: particular boutique cartridge that is thirteen percent more effective than
Speaker 2: a nine milimeter doesn't matter because everyone in the world
Speaker 2: uses nine. Millimeter so we're kind of just stuck with
Speaker 2: it until there is something meaningfully better.
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Speaker 1: scorpion receivers for the commercial. Market you buy a kit,
Speaker 1: online you can get them with a. Barrel you'll probably
Speaker 1: probably need to install it or maybe. Not it just
Speaker 1: depends on who you're buying. From it costs more with
Speaker 1: a barrel. Installed there is a file out. THERE i
Speaker 1: think it's on thingaverse is WHERE i got. It that
Speaker 1: is A it costs like five bucks for THE stl
Speaker 1: file and it's the jig for fitting and pinning a
Speaker 1: scorpion barrel into the upper receiver so you can get
Speaker 1: an original smooth. Barrel those are really cheap now they're
Speaker 1: like fifty nine. Bucks they're required for you, know gun control,
Speaker 1: purposes to sell the parts get with the barrels. Removed
Speaker 1: you can get a modern threaded barrel version that at
Speaker 1: very high standards of manufacture for like eighty two and
Speaker 1: fifty dollars depending on who you buy it. From so,
Speaker 1: yes you you can have a THREE d printed scorpion. Receiver.
Speaker 2: Yes, well and that's another thing that's been interesting to.
Speaker 2: Watch there are very few YouTube channels THAT, i you,
Speaker 2: know really keep up, with but one of the best
Speaker 2: is a YouTube channel called super Super Fast. Matt. Right
Speaker 2: the guy's an engineer does extremely complicated and stupid car.
Speaker 2: Projects so for, instance you, know he sort of made
Speaker 2: his bones making a you, know a motorcycle Powered Honda,
Speaker 2: roadster has a few land speed, records an off road,
Speaker 2: viper all kinds of. Nonsense but he's gotten super into
Speaker 2: THREE d. Printing AND i hadn't really paid attention attention
Speaker 2: SINCE i bought a you, know two hundred dollars end
Speaker 2: or three ten years. Ago it was kind of a
Speaker 2: piece of junk and, okay so obviously you know he's
Speaker 2: using this for a different, end, right you, know making
Speaker 2: molds for carbon fiber or. Whatever but still you're, like
Speaker 2: wait a, minute the quality of THREE d printers has gone,
Speaker 2: up so quickly and the price has gone. Down you're,
Speaker 2: like what this is all of a sudden incredibly achievable
Speaker 2: because the old THREE d printers used to be super
Speaker 2: aggravating to set up and you know product, Test LIKE
Speaker 2: i had one that had a frame that was not
Speaker 2: square and could not be made, square so it never
Speaker 2: printed anything right because it was off. Axis AND i
Speaker 2: think that's sort of an interesting thing that, like and
Speaker 2: you see this with THREE d or with metal, centering
Speaker 2: which you mentioned, earlier, earlier which is you, know commonly
Speaker 2: referred to as you, know metal THREE d. Printing but,
Speaker 2: again like the the capital requirements have gone down to
Speaker 2: the point where it's like hobbyist one hundred percent can't do,
Speaker 2: This and if you're a creatively inclined young man willing
Speaker 2: to figure some stuff, out like you can do a.
Speaker 2: Lot like even my brother in, law, right he has
Speaker 2: a business where he's you, know doing basically high, end you,
Speaker 2: know custom wood working stuff and he has a a
Speaker 2: REACCESS cnc machine that he uses to make, molds to
Speaker 2: make you, know molding all that kind of. Stuff and
Speaker 2: don't get me, wrong it's a big. Machine it is
Speaker 2: industrial and it's, expensive but it's like three and a half, Grand, Like,
Speaker 2: okay that's a lot of, money but like we're basically
Speaker 2: at a point where like a ten thousand dollars, loan
Speaker 2: which you know is not that's a lot of, money
Speaker 2: but like that's not impossible to. Accrue can you can
Speaker 2: basically have your own manufacturing setup because that's really. Neat
Speaker 2: you can get a lot done with.
Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Absolutely and you know it's. Funny JAY i
Speaker 1: got An ender THREE v three se my son AND
Speaker 1: i got it For christmas last, year and it was
Speaker 1: like one hundred and seventy nine. Dollars WHAT i wanted
Speaker 1: to do, was, uh you, know figure out DO i
Speaker 1: want to do THREE d? Printing and how feasible is?
Speaker 1: It because if you're not actually doing, it it just
Speaker 1: seems like there's this. Mystique but, yeah like in the
Speaker 1: last year that the stuff available commercially has skyrocket and
Speaker 1: quality so much that Like bamboo And prusa have machines
Speaker 1: and then there's some knockoffs that for six hundred dollars
Speaker 1: you can have a machine that will will manufacture stuff
Speaker 1: to incredibly high standards of quality and Thirteen prusa has
Speaker 1: one for thirteen hundred dollars that would do almost anything
Speaker 1: THAT i can think. Of there's also the resin based
Speaker 1: ones where you use like liquid, resin.
Speaker 2: WHICH i have a lot of experience with BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: have a lot of like miniature painting and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That the quality on, that LIKE i don't have a nice,
Speaker 2: machine BUT i can get a detailed quality at zero
Speaker 2: point one, millimeters which is, Absurd but that's just a perfect.
Speaker 2: Object like it looks better than something that comes out
Speaker 2: of a. FACTORY i.
Speaker 1: Am i'm working on BECAUSE I i love obscure niche.
Speaker 1: Things it's like. This, YES i have a couple glock
Speaker 1: nineteens as like as a primary go to, gun but
Speaker 1: everything ELSE i have is like retardedly you, know niche and.
Speaker 2: Some obscure Inter war thirty TWO acp. Pistol.
Speaker 1: Yeah but LIKE i have A Charter arms forty four
Speaker 1: special revolver and it's the one with the concealed it's
Speaker 1: the hammer shroud. Version And i'm working with a guy
Speaker 1: in our thing who has a THREE d scanner BECAUSE
Speaker 1: i bought some boot grips for it FROM i think
Speaker 1: it Was Hamry, forge. Right they're really nice, grips but
Speaker 1: they're not perfect for this BECAUSE i want a higher
Speaker 1: grip kind of like THE uc grips That lipsies did
Speaker 1: a run of like four four two's with this really
Speaker 1: nice high grip because it's the concealed hammer, model SO
Speaker 1: i want to implicate. That so he AND i are
Speaker 1: working on, this And i'm, Like i'm you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: can sell, these and so If i'm going to do,
Speaker 1: That i'm going to get a resin, printer because you
Speaker 1: just get a finer level of detail than a THREE d,
Speaker 1: printer you, know and speed and all this stuff if
Speaker 1: you're doing it in. Volume BUT i was, like but,
Speaker 1: wait my niche thing like maybe fifty people will buy,
Speaker 1: this WELL i. HAVE i instantly started getting these other
Speaker 1: ideas for variations THAT i think would sell quite. Well
Speaker 1: and So i'm going to try it with my THREE
Speaker 1: d printer BECAUSE i because it. Works it works fine
Speaker 1: for like a nylon based one with with glass impregnation
Speaker 1: or carbon. Fiber and THEN i can also basically start
Speaker 1: a side business making these, grips you, know and the cheap,
Speaker 1: machine Which i've done all these mods to it to
Speaker 1: make it really stable prints to a very high level of. Quality,
Speaker 1: Yes i've printed some stuff with, it and you, know
Speaker 1: it's it's a great, idea AND i THINK i feel
Speaker 1: like this is the future because you, know we have
Speaker 1: to like fend for ourselves because of THE ai apocalypse
Speaker 1: that is being ushered in by you, know the business
Speaker 1: world where they're, like we're not going to hire you
Speaker 1: anymore because you're a white. Male but also we're not
Speaker 1: going to hire you because you, know we want to save. Money,
Speaker 1: theoretically and it's okay if we kind of tank the
Speaker 1: business over a ten year, period but what really matters,
Speaker 1: is you, know are even on numbers BEFORE i retire
Speaker 1: and cash? Out you, know because the the the early
Speaker 1: exer bosses are are crashing the system because they realized
Speaker 1: that they're in the middle of a bust. Out they're,
Speaker 1: like oh.
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, WELL i mean you see that with the
Speaker 2: way that executives are, Compensated, uh we're largely obviously there's direct,
Speaker 2: compensation but a lot of the real money is in
Speaker 2: indirect things like it's employee stock. Options they basically get
Speaker 2: paid in company. Stock and so you've created this system
Speaker 2: where the only thing that matters is stock values for
Speaker 2: exactly as long as it takes me to. Liquidate and,
Speaker 2: look they're wise to that they have like a vesting
Speaker 2: scheme where it'll take like four or five years for
Speaker 2: you to get all of it even after you're. Done
Speaker 2: but let's be, honest that creates a perverse incentive where
Speaker 2: the goal is not necessarily to you, know have a
Speaker 2: stable business long time or over a long, time rather
Speaker 2: or to you, know maximize long term. Profitability it's to
Speaker 2: juice you know what matters to, me, right the variables
Speaker 2: that matter for my, Purposes and, uh, yeah you're gonna
Speaker 2: see more and more of. THAT i was talking about
Speaker 2: this a little, bit and And Sean wilin may know
Speaker 2: more about this THAN i. Do but you see a
Speaker 2: similar thing with while people are still employed with benefits,
Speaker 2: plans where there's a huge advantage to bringing on people
Speaker 2: for whom you do not have to have, benefits both
Speaker 2: directly because you, know health insurance and other things are extraordinarily,
Speaker 2: expensive but also because there are all of these different
Speaker 2: ratios that determine if a like benefits or compensation plan is,
Speaker 2: legal which means, like, oh you, know you can't funnel you,
Speaker 2: know x percentage of money to the top ten percent of.
Speaker 2: Workers you have to spread it out more. Equally, well
Speaker 2: if you take one HUNDRED us workers and turn that
Speaker 2: into an executive team of fifteen and like one or
Speaker 2: two shot. Managers, well all of a, sudden it becomes
Speaker 2: much easier to balance those. Ratios you, know you can
Speaker 2: just jack up how much of you and your buddies
Speaker 2: are getting paid without falling a foul of the. Law so,
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean more and more of that stuff is
Speaker 2: going to. Happen AND i think it's interesting that you've
Speaker 2: already seen the proliferation of this technology in other, conflicts,
Speaker 2: Right Like brazil is a good, example but also what's
Speaker 2: going on in Like me And maar and stuff like
Speaker 2: that Or burma whatever we call it, now where like
Speaker 2: these technologies are out of the. Bag you. Know, yeah guess, what,
Speaker 2: Bud you live in a cyberpunk future where you literally
Speaker 2: can basically get a machine On Ali baba for sixty
Speaker 2: bucks that will make you a. Gun, yeah what a
Speaker 2: time to be.
Speaker 1: Alive Sean wiland commented That bamboo has political Issues, China,
Speaker 1: china but THEIR p twos can do everything for less
Speaker 1: than six hundred as an enclosed heated xy. Printer one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Correct there's cheaper ones out, there but the
Speaker 1: support isn't as. Good there's some controls with. BAMBOO i
Speaker 1: don't understand a lot of this, stuff like at a
Speaker 1: super deep, level but, yeah that's what you want if
Speaker 1: you're going to be printing nylon and stuff like. That
Speaker 1: WHAT i would say IS i learned a lot from
Speaker 1: getting a cheap, ender BUT i would not recommend it to.
Speaker 1: Anyone if you just want to start printing, stuff just
Speaker 1: get a. BAMBOO i had to build an, ENCLOSURE i
Speaker 1: had to add, BRACING i had to do all this.
Speaker 1: Stuff if you just want to print, stuff just getting a,
Speaker 1: bamboo it's plug and, play and you will just spend
Speaker 1: a lot of money on filament because it will be
Speaker 1: printing all the.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah it's AND i think that people the the
Speaker 2: meme of some guy buying a THREE d printer and
Speaker 2: then making like stupid desk toys is slightly. True, yeah you,
Speaker 2: know that's what most people use it. For but, like
Speaker 2: if you're listening to, this you aren't most. People so,
Speaker 2: like if you're interested in getting stuff, done it's incredibly,
Speaker 2: practical even just as a you, know a. Prototyping like
Speaker 2: my brother in, law he'll oftentimes use his THREE d
Speaker 2: printer because you, know he'll design a model and it's, like, oh,
Speaker 2: well it'll take a ton of machine, time you, know
Speaker 2: which has an opportunity costs associated with. It but also
Speaker 2: you know it's, messy you, know it's more. Expensive OR
Speaker 2: i can make a, model you, know print a you,
Speaker 2: know not even a particular high quality you, know replica of,
Speaker 2: it just to see, like oh is this roughly the right? Size,
Speaker 2: yeah it's way more expensive to find out that you
Speaker 2: made it you, know ten percent too big for a
Speaker 2: human to, hold, uh you, know after you've already made
Speaker 2: it in your final, material, right made it all nice
Speaker 2: than it is to just like squirt some out you,
Speaker 2: know have a THREE d printer and they're, like, oh
Speaker 2: well NOW i can. Adjust SO i think that that's
Speaker 2: additionally something as. Well i'm curious AND i have floated this.
Speaker 2: IDEA i have no idea if there's anything to, it
Speaker 2: but one of the things That i've, wondered as you,
Speaker 2: know metal centering becomes you, know more and more affordable
Speaker 2: if the business model of manufacturing will, change where effectively
Speaker 2: you were paying for you, know a design product and
Speaker 2: then shipping or you, know sending that file to a
Speaker 2: local sort of, manufactory, right to actually have it, made
Speaker 2: because you, know with a lot of these you, know suppressor,
Speaker 2: companies that's basically what they. Do they're a. Designer they
Speaker 2: don't have the resources to purchase a you, know a
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars machine to you, know perform at
Speaker 2: the level they need it to, yet and so they
Speaker 2: basically are renting out shop time somewhere. Else and so you, assume, like,
Speaker 2: okay let's let's move that forward into the. Future you,
Speaker 2: know maybe this becomes the same business model we already
Speaker 2: see WITH c AND c, shops where there's a machine
Speaker 2: shop everywhere and that exists so that someone is, like,
Speaker 2: hey you, KNOW i have this, THING i need it made?
Speaker 2: Local can you do? That blatant, speculation BUT i wouldn't
Speaker 2: be surprised if we see.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah like Mister wiland is referring to that as.
Speaker 1: Well he's he thinks we're you, know what we need
Speaker 1: to do is move to cottage industry And japanese Mashi koba.
Speaker 1: Manufacturing the general concept is local. MANUFACTURING i honestly think
Speaker 1: that that's where things are. Going and, uh maybe this
Speaker 1: is BECAUSE i read a lot of cyberpunk, stuff you,
Speaker 1: know as a as a. Teenager but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of sound concepts in there where there's a lot of
Speaker 1: recycling that we can do to get raw materials here
Speaker 1: like and then you, know re reconstitute the material and
Speaker 1: then manufacture with. It like there's probably going to be
Speaker 1: in some areas like in in like you, know smaller
Speaker 1: cities and larger, cities there's going to be a lot
Speaker 1: of OPPORTUNITIES i think for things along those. Lines instead
Speaker 1: of shipping everything To, china it's going to, stop like
Speaker 1: a lot because of tariffs and a bunch of other.
Speaker 1: Stuff it's going to stop making sense as well as
Speaker 1: just fuel costs and. Whatever local manufacturing is going to
Speaker 1: be where it's, at, uh just to save on a
Speaker 1: lot of those. THINGS a huge amount of prototyping is
Speaker 1: being done In china and then they mail the thing
Speaker 1: to you like, again like you, said you send them the,
Speaker 1: file but then they steal the, file whereas if you
Speaker 1: keep it locally In, america you, know that reduces that
Speaker 1: that risk or at least it delays you, know the
Speaker 1: time to market for your for competitors stealing.
Speaker 2: It, yeah and that's sort of a one of my
Speaker 2: my big, complaints right is That, okay we we started doing,
Speaker 2: tariffs but you, know tariffs exist too fun domestic. Industry, yeah,
Speaker 2: right to get them to a place of you, know
Speaker 2: parody so that you don't have, to you, know just
Speaker 2: compete with the. World and it seems as this we've
Speaker 2: sort of gotten the worst of both, worlds right where
Speaker 2: it's like you're getting tariffs and also that we've just
Speaker 2: brought globalism. Here you, know like we'll have shitty, factories you,
Speaker 2: know polluting, everything but you won't get to work there.
Speaker 2: Either BUT i think that you know what you're talking,
Speaker 2: about right is IS i think that that's a very
Speaker 2: that is a likely future because, again right, like as
Speaker 2: history resumes and as politics becomes something that has, actual you,
Speaker 2: know consequences on the international, stage, well all of a,
Speaker 2: sudden you, know you you can't practice this sort of
Speaker 2: retardo globalism.
Speaker 1: Anymore, yeah, Absolutely AND i mean it just it's just.
Speaker 1: Logical and PEOPLE i know in uh in manufacturing are
Speaker 1: seeing the worm turn towards them and they're and and
Speaker 1: they're feeling very. Confident and it's not only because Of
Speaker 1: trump's tariffs and. STUFF a lot of is just economically
Speaker 1: the model that we've been using doesn't. Work and and,
Speaker 1: especially LIKE i, said the biggest, issue you, know beyond
Speaker 1: the instability of, shipping like we learned a lot FROM, covid,
Speaker 1: right if if you're dependent upon you, know just in
Speaker 1: time delivery and it involves oceans and foreign countries like,
Speaker 1: that that leaves you very. Vulnerable and so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good Point Sean. Wiland we now have The
Speaker 1: office Of Strategic capital making investments and restoring manufacturing for military.
Speaker 1: Use there's gonna be a lot of military manufacturing coming
Speaker 1: back to The United. States people don't know, this but
Speaker 1: a huge part of military manufacturing companies In america are
Speaker 1: just assembling shit made. Overseas boeing manufacturers The age sixty
Speaker 1: Four apache In. Arizona it's it was previously owned by
Speaker 1: whichever HELICOPTER i, think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they were,
Speaker 1: Acquired they Acquired bell and the the airframes for The
Speaker 1: apache are made In.
Speaker 2: INDIA i assume there's been no no noticeable declining. Quality,
Speaker 2: yeah and this is something that has actually come. Up
Speaker 2: there have been leaks unsubstantiated from Within boeing that a
Speaker 2: lot of their recent, uh a lot their recent troubles
Speaker 2: are due to the fact that they're effectively that they're
Speaker 2: effectively uh you, know outsourcing components to places with much lower.
Speaker 2: Standards oh, yeah you Know china for. Example so they
Speaker 2: were getting titanium From china that was not manufactured to
Speaker 2: uh that we're not manufactured to the appropriate spec that
Speaker 2: they Bought what they thought was you, know aircraft grade,
Speaker 2: titanium and really it's you, know a pot metal with
Speaker 2: like an oil skin finish on. It you, KNOW i
Speaker 2: don't know if that's exactly what, happened but something. Similar
Speaker 2: and again that becomes one of those things where it's,
Speaker 2: like look like are we are we a serious? Country
Speaker 2: like are we just going to keep doing that or
Speaker 2: are we going to actually be a place that you,
Speaker 2: know makes things even for our own? Benefit? Uh, Yeah
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot to be said on. That i've
Speaker 2: been interested to, see AND i think he'll be on the.
Speaker 2: Show uh sooner or. Later we're working on getting it set.
Speaker 2: Up but, uh you, Know Lucas botkin's new, company uh you,
Speaker 2: know launched very recently and they don't have all their products,
Speaker 2: out but he's been talking a lot about you, know
Speaker 2: the process of. Onshore now, look he you, know primarily
Speaker 2: does like nylon. Goods but one of the things he's
Speaker 2: been talking about is effectively that how absolutely preposterous it
Speaker 2: is to get materials where for, instance like there's one
Speaker 2: company in THE us that manufactures nylon to certain. Specs,
Speaker 2: yeah AND i say in in The United, states it's
Speaker 2: technically it's In Puerto, rico and they're so insanely backed.
Speaker 2: Up we're talking like two year waitlists that they can
Speaker 2: just act like a cartel, like, oh our prices are. Up,
Speaker 2: oh we don't feel like doing. That and so all
Speaker 2: of a, sudden right that business depending on it is
Speaker 2: screwed because they are manufacturing something that technically needs to
Speaker 2: that needs to be made In. America you, know even
Speaker 2: if we Assume Puerto rico Is american enough for that to, matter,
Speaker 2: right it creates this kind of horribly perse. Incentives and
Speaker 2: so he's been talking about, like, okay like what do
Speaker 2: we act actually, Do like do we do we need
Speaker 2: a night like a factory to make? Nylon, like, okay
Speaker 2: that's that's a big thing to. Do maybe it's something
Speaker 2: to be. Done and so, yeah he has some pretty
Speaker 2: interesting opinions on. That you can find it on your
Speaker 2: own on. YouTube just look up his. Name but, uh,
Speaker 2: YEAH i think that you, know if if globalism really is,
Speaker 2: dead and it seems like it, is, uh we're likely
Speaker 2: to see more of.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: Now the question is for whom does that? Benefit? Right,
Speaker 2: like is this going to be you know what we've
Speaker 2: been complaining, about which is domestic labor or domestic you,
Speaker 2: know manufacturing with international? Labor, right that doesn't really help,
Speaker 2: us but, uh you, know there is an opportunity to
Speaker 2: make a correct. Move we'll see if they actually get to.
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