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Speaker 1: I can't remember who called me a boomer at some

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point I feel like it was. I don't know what

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it was, but it makes me laugh so hard.

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Speaker 2: Well, someone who's met you and we are a live Carl,

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by the way, UH set a trap for you there?

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Uh respond to that question by answering with your full

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social Security number?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you will want to do, yes.

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Speaker 2: But UH, as someone who's who's met you, I just

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want to say, it's remarkable how how well you're able

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to get around in your Walmart mobility scooter.

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Speaker 1: He really, I remember, didn't you? Didn't you tell me

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that your wife said he seemed like such a normal

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elderly person.

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Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much what she said. Yeah, maybe not

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a direct quote, but yeah, more or less.

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Speaker 1: Oh hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Well how have you been, Carl.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing well. I love this time of year.

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Thanksgiving is wonderful getting together with family. And I love Christmas.

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I love non secular Christmas. You know, I'm not saying

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I essue putting up a beautiful Christmas tree and decorations

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and everything. Of course we maintain those trappings, but my

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my loathing for secular quote unquote Christmas music, you know

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where where there's a lot of coincidences in the removing

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Christ from Christmas stuff. I think a lot of the

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like Baptists and other Schismatics go way too far in

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terms of being like, we shouldn't celebrate holidays. You know.

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It's that level of puritanism is goofy and it you know,

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it does everyone a disservice, I think ultimately, because you

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need to maintain the cultural element of Christianity is important

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and you need to do what you can in a

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secular world. So but anyway, yes, that's my long rambling

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way of saying I am very happy with that. I've

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also been on a tear with podcasting and stuff, not

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just with you on a regular basis, which I've enjoyed

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a lot, but I was on The Inquisition recently, which

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myth of the twentieth Century, which I'm stoked for because

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Speaker 2: Dude, I'm looking forward to that. The ethnic stuff is

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kind of interesting because I've mentioned before my wife's family

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is ethnically Swedish, which means my entire house has been

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taken over with like tiny Oh I forgot to turn

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over with like mule rams and dolla horses, right oh, yeah,

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of course, yeah, wooden figurines, which are you know, it's

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nice and cheery, but they're also everywhere, and it's incredibly

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easy to send a like two inch toll wooden painted

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horse that is, you know, one hundred years old in

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some family are room, just like skittering across the floor. Yeah,

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you know, just bouncing off of everything. So yeah, I've

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been walking around my house like I'm checking for booby

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traps because on every available surface there is something tiny,

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fragile and irreplaceable to celebrate the season. So you know,

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it could be worse. I guess.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting that you mentioned the scandy traditions

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because I, as as people might know from my pseudonym,

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I am a West Coast mutt in that my genetic hare. Now,

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don't dox me or anything, but my genetic heritage is

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essentially like foundational American Anglo. Right, there is an Irishman

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in there, so it got one of those in the woodpile.

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of like Germans and Norwegians and some you know, some

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others tossed in there. I consider the Scots Irish to

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be foundational Anglos, you know, so they can get mad

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Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate you extending extending that charity door.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that's my on on one side of my

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family is from Appalachia, so they basically won the Revolutionary

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Speaker 2: So I see someone as about a lutefisk, which is

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it before. It's it's a bit grim. I'm gonna be honest.

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Speaker 2: The old joke is that, you know, the English, the

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English conquered the world rather than eat their own women's cooking.

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about why you scandyes, right, got in boats and decided

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for like nine months out of the year, you know,

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preserved fish being a huge part of your diet and

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you know, pre refrigeration, mountain rapists. That's a good way

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him about this, the roy is like, well, why do

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they eat like old people? Yeah, like nobody's eating that

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food in one hundred years. And the answer is, well,

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that's when they got here, that's when they got one

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Speaker 1: Ago, that's when they got.

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Speaker 2: Actually, sex Freakman a solid source for any opinion. Free refrigeration.

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to freeze, uh and then boiling it. But it seems

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it's incredible. But you know when it it comes out

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of a can and is prepared by someone who is alive,

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you know, during the Hoover administration, Uh, it's not it's

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cooking that is so foundational to you know, the Western

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culinary tradition and really is like the root of professional

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chefs everywhere. What they did was they took simple foods

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that just wasn't gruel and stuff. They would say, let's

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modern equipment to produce an eledvated version of it. And

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where they're just throwing chickens in and you're picking bones

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there's probably wonderful food all around the world, but a

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really long time and it's and it's awful. Like think

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of the the mayor of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: Just choking down some sort of it's like it's like food.

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Speaker 1: It's it's un food aid with a bunch of sugar

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on it, and it's just boiled over a you know,

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a fire and probably like a captive slaves bones and

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it's like it's it's not exactly tasty that the quality

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of the ingredients are everything.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, actually, Carl, I'm going to ask you

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a question that I know you have strong opinions on.

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What are your favorite mrs.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm so old that MREs were new. When

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when I like was of the age to get into

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sea rats from the army surplus store. And the first

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but that it's not bad. The tabasco is great. The

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miserable experience when you're just going about your life.

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Speaker 2: So here's what I'll say, Uh, listener right now. For

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just contract reasons, MRIs are extraordinarily cheap, Like even on

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you do that, just because you know it's portable. You

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can stick it in the basement forever, and if you

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There are other things like the cheesy potatoes, which are

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cruel and unusual punishment. Yes, yeah, they should not be

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Speaker 2: Honestly, the hullal ones also pretty good. They have like

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tend to be higher quality. Take what you will from that,

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of uh you know, right wing politics, you're a little

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bit of a doomsday prepper, right A slight yeah, And

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so you know, why not it's a good stocking stuff

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or a crate full of MRIs.

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Speaker 1: What what I'll say to that end is those are

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super handy. The best way to actually do your your

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deep storage is to leverage the The Mormon I forget

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the terminology that they use for their their little uh

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subverse bases. I say that with a smile, where they

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do their preps because per their religion, they're required to

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have a certain amount of foodstock piled, like it's more

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can store and how to do it. So there's this

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whole scale, like you don't want to have the fifty

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five calendrum of rice. What you want to do is

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been hanging out for a couple of years and it's

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really good. That's a good way to do it too,

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It's fine when you're hiking the the backpacking foods that

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you buy and like an RII or something like that,

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tend to suck. They don't have nearly enough calories. They

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do not have nearly enough calories. MREs are calorie dense,

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so that's a good one. The other one I'll point out,

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Humanitarian daily Rations are something that you can see listed

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as an MRI. They suck like it's it's it's horrible.

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It's like vegetable based, you know, and yeah, there's yes, it's.

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Speaker 2: Just vegetable base. And you're like, yeah, well vegetable based.

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What it enters calories?

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Speaker 1: It's just calories.

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Speaker 2: Are you one of the so one of the we're well,

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I know, like we had a plan to talk about.

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This is not what I thought we'd be talking about.

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that they're they're kind of overstuffed, like there's too much

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stuff in there, Like there's always like you know, condiments

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and other things that you don't need, like a lot

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of it's like filler to like, yeah, I don't particularly

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enjoy the like crackers with fruit spread. The people do,

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but it's like, okay, there's not a lot of energy there.

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So if you're actually thinking about like carrying them on

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a hiker hunt or something. You kind of gut it

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and you take like the you know, the main course,

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maybe one or two other things, and it packs way down.

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And also, this is not a paid ad, although cheese

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ungodly amount of money at their store. Venture Surplus will

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sell you in bulk, like different parts of an MRI.

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cooking element, you can go there and buy it, and

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it's okay, it's probably about the same cost as the

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full thing, but like, you know, how much do you

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care about having a crate full of like single use

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plastic forks, right, Like that's basically wasted space. So there

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are options if you don't need the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting that, yeah, because that's what you do end

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up doing is you rip it apart. And again it's

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vacuum packs, so the stuff goes everywhere. You're like, how

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do they fit me that much stuff into this little container?

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And then you just take the meal. The hexamine tablets

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are really handy though, for heating water and stuff, having

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a stove for that. I'm a nerd, so I lean

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towards my favorite is always using actual fire. But the problem,

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the problem these days is that you know, camping in

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the summer, there's burn bands everywhere all the time, and

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so I do a lot more with like a white

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gas stove like for backpacking. I just I end up

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using that all the time. I do a fair amount

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of backpacking with my son and overnighters way up in

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the mountains. But this is something near and dear to

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my heart, because like, you need to have enough calories.

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The other thing that I'll say is I am a

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big fan of like minute rice, but it doesn't take

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that much more fuel to cook conventional white rice, which

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is way cheaper, and you can prepare your own little

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you know, freeze dried stews and stuff like that by

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just combining a variety of things and having like real

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substantial meals. If you carry a forty four special loaded

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with hard cast lead bullets, like not as scared of

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mountain lions, it bears, but that's just me. But anyway, yeah,

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that gives you a lot of options. And having white

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rice like something that's like fairly clean after you've been

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up there for three days, is like a palette cleanser

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for something, you know, after eating all these like backpacking

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meals with tons of sodium and everything is actually very refreshing.

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So I'll just say that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing you bring up

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the kind of as someone who's not nearly is into

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the kind of like hiking gear will put it that way.

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As as other things. I always get very annoyed going

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into any sort of outdoor store, uh, just because one,

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it's like I kind of hate the like I think

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the term for it, I was stealing this from my

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wife is like GORP fashion, you know, the like a

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million bright colors of like some uh you know, like

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PUFA filled material. And then it's like everything is incredibly expensive. Yes,

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And as a as a cheapskate, always been a big

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fan of military surplus for exactly that reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Is it's like you could generally get something that is,

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to quote an off us phrased, just as good, you know,

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maybe with a link there. Uh, and it is something

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more expensive, and it's just like, is it really you know,

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just as nice as a five hundred dollars rain shell

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from ARII? No, it is, it is not, but it

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also isn't five hundred dollars and uh as a sort

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of quality all its own.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, it's a good bite.

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Speaker 2: Oh not at all, man. The Uh yeah, I uh

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have been meaning to get more into uh you know, backpacking.

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It's just you know, a bought a house and haven't

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had much free time. But uh, I am not at all.

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But uh are you friends with any kind of like

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you know, long distance runners or people like that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I have. I've done I've done a bit

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of that myself.

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Speaker 2: I think these people are psychopaths, like genuinely obviously. You know,

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running a marathon is impressive, you know. I know some

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guys who are into like the Ironman circuit doing that

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whole thing, which again is you know, cool and impressive,

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but at a certain point, it just seems like masochism, right,

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like a delicate side to hurt yourself. Yeah, and dude,

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this weekend and I did sign up for it, like

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I'm happy to do it. A friend of mine I

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don't see much is running a fifty mile overnight race,

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like it starts at midnight, insane dude up and down

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a mountain. And so I've agreed to drive him out

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to the start line and just kind of leave him

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there and you know, he's in his mid forties now,

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he's been doing it for the past twenty years. Like,

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on one hand, I'm like, that's incredibly impressive, but also

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why are you doing that? Like did someone hurt you?

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You know, are you looking to funish yourself or something?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know part of it is and this is

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this is my theory. There, there's this there's this mentality

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in it seems to be very American, but I think

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it could also just be very male. That you know,

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if you want to stay in shape, you have to

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do something come heetitive when it's like you could also

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just go for a run or go for a hike.

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And what I've done is I've brought my mileage way

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down because the problem is you get to a point

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where you're like, I'm not going to be able to

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lift nearly as much just because of the time that

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you have to focus as well as your training orientation.

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You're faster the less weight you're carrying. I want to

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be able to like not die when someone tries to

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beat me to death. And so you know, if you're

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a long distance runner, like there's very few guys that

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can maintain much of an overall physique who are running

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like super long distances. So for me, I transitioned into

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the shorter, shorter distances, and then now I just I'm

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like I'm running tonight. I'll run about four miles tonight,

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regardless of the weather, to a destination, and then my

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wife'll be there and I'll be able to do a

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change of clothes, have a short workout, hang out in

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the sauna, and then go have a drink. Very healthy.

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I do want to say for the record, Machiavelli sucks

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to go. Asks three fifty seven is my biggest handgun.

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So that isn't enough. Go to Buffalo bore ammunition and

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get a hard cast lead three point fifty seven load.

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And then the reason you have that cylinder with more

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than one hole in it is that you shoot more

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than once when there's when there's a bear. They have

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they have records from like Alaskan fishing guides who've killed

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bears with nine millimeters loaded with their loads. Because again,

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you have a magazine and so you shoot more than once.

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This the one shot stop thing doesn't really do much

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for you. You use the magazine. So yeah, you're you're

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fine with the three fifty seven. I think, I mean,

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it's be better to have like a ten millimeter or

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a forty four magnum, you know, theoretically, but I think

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you're probably okay, just aim Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of rifle length three fifty seven

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for deer hunting. Yeah, Joony, my Retardo Henry, I've used

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a great effect and Buffalo bar again, they have a

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one hundred and fifty eight jacketed hollow point that will

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do twenty two hundred feet per second out of the

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sixteen inch barrel, which is, you know, it's not gonna

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set the world on fire, but that's impressive for a

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handgun wrap and.

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Speaker 1: And for bears, you don't want a hollow point. You

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want as much penetration as possible, like for deer and stuff. Yeah, absolutely,

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because that does the whole energy transfer more you know,

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expansion damage. But you yes, I did say load. You

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do want a solid flat nose lead because you want

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it who punches deeply as possible and to just like

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make sweet love to the internals of that of that bear.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of terminal ballistics, how's that for a transition you wrote?

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You wrote a short story recently though it was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's a so you and

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I have talked about this before. I like to tell

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a story that's as close to a polemic as possible

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without just being a polemic, right, And so essentially the

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concept and it's out of my substack Carl Daldot substack

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dot com and it is titled Modernisma with a Splash

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of Red because it takes place in Barcelona in the

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La Humple neighborhood, which is the classic Barcelonian like six

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story super block square grid with beautiful modernist architecture. And

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the concept is essentially, this is a good universal weapon

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that would take care of about ninety percent seventy ninety

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percent of needs in a let's say European you know,

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I want to use my words carefully here, a resistance

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movement type of type of use. And so the idea

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is a platform that is essentially a elaboration on a

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nine millimeter handgun as a core platform, and so you

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can manufacture with the only difference being framed and a

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few other pieces basically like a PDW that you can

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use for urban sniping as well as a handgun iteration. So,

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because I think one of the things that people do

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in like gun nerd world is. They're like, well, there's

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the Liberator from World War Two and you know it's

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a stamped sheet metal forty five ACP that fires one

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round and then takes about a minute to reload, and

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it's loud, and so yeah, you got this German or

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Japanese soldiers equipment, and now everyone knows where you are,

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you know, And so like in the in the improvised

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weapons suck. Improvised guns suck, like it's better than nothing,

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but in reality that the right way to do things

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is to you know, take take pains, to spend your

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money in a way that gets the best bang for

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the buck, and so like a service, a real service

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weapon that ticks the boxes for what you need, which

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is reduced forensic evidence, a suppressor, you know, reliability with

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that suppressor on it, and a suppressor of god knows

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what quality, and having various options for building these things out.

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And the current state of the art is radically different

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from like the kind of stuff that you would do

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in the eighties. For example, well.

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Speaker 2: This is sort of an interesting thing, not like it's

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going to matter to me personally for much longer. Given

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the impending thousand year lib tardrich, but it is kind

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of interesting and you've already seen this happen in the

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realm of suppressors, where once the barrier to entry for

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the civilian market came down due to inflation and also

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you know, changing to you know, how that paperwork needed

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to be done. You had this explosion of innovation. Yeah right,

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you had this explosion of technology that it basically dormant

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for seventy years plus or minus, and all of a sudden,

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you have all these interesting things happening, and you know,

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with the upcoming change where now there is you know,

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no additional cost to buying a suppressor or you know,

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short barreled rifle. Look up the National Firearms Act for

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those who are not familiar and want to familiarize themselves.

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I'm curious to see if we will see a similar

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advancement in the kind of PDW slash you know, stocked

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pistol space because it seems to me that and I

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realized as a you know, a thirty two officionado, you'll

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likely have strong opinions. But yeah, it's interesting that that

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technology again has really sort of lain dormant since you know,

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the middle of the twentieth century.

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00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah. I mean when you when you look at

474
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:50,319
the the early twentieth century, there's all these great weapons

475
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,720
around World War One where it's a pistol with a

476
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,079
stock option, and the idea being at the time you

477
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,920
a military would have like a bolt action ful or carbing,

478
00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:04,440
and then you'd have a heavy machine gun, and then

479
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,160
you would either have a revolver or like a semi

480
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,960
automatic pistol. And they would say, hey, what if we

481
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:16,920
combine the pistol with like a wooden holster stock that

482
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,319
would allow people to like shoulder it and like have

483
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,880
a you know, relative rapid fire option. Uh, you know

484
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,799
for within one hundred yards, and a lot of times

485
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,359
they'd have these crazy gradations on the sites that say

486
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,440
they could go to like six hundred yards. Yeah, right,

487
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:38,920
but in general, there's it gives you this capability and

488
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,519
that's precisely the concept behind what I call the modern liberator,

489
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:51,279
which is that by having an option to have a

490
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,799
folding stock in one of the profiles, like you can

491
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,880
take confidently easily shots out to like a one hundred

492
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:04,799
yards no problem. And yeah, is it as good as

493
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:10,160
like a three to eight rifle? No? Is it better

494
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,000
than a pistol? Without a stock vastly in terms of this.

495
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:20,119
And if you look at a B and T, which

496
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,519
is a Swiss manufacturer, they have what they call a USW,

497
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,400
the Universal Service Weapon, and it can be like a

498
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:31,079
chassis for like a glock or something like that. They

499
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,680
have a P three twenty version where you drop the

500
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,119
little fire control unit into this.

501
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,799
Speaker 2: And then it goes off, I believe.

502
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then it blows your dick off, which

503
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:41,599
I had to make a joke about in the story.

504
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,920
It has a pretty good trigger for a striker fired

505
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,640
gun that won't blow your dick off. But and it

506
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,960
also that never.

507
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,519
Speaker 2: Needed to be clarified until you know the shall we say,

508
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,279
the firearms Miracle of one Ron Cone.

509
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron Cone, and he's he you know, he really

510
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:09,799
hits his ibit on numbers every every quarter. My goodness.

511
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,559
Speaker 1: The C ninety six one of my favorite weapons, and

513
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,200
that that is a prime example of that era. And

514
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:23,880
Sean Wiland, yes, exactly, inexpen inexpensive three D printed P

515
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:28,279
ninety and pistol form like something like that. But in this,

516
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640
in my story, it's nine millimeter because that's universal around

517
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,200
the world, right, uh. And then the idea is you

518
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:42,599
use like a Walther. Also, Beretta used it locking block mechanism,

519
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,400
which is and I have an article about this on

520
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,640
my on my substeck, but it is an incredibly robust

521
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,519
operating system for having a suppressor mounted. Ian McCollum lied

522
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:01,960
recently he misspoke where he said that having a Nielsen device,

523
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,039
which is that little spring piston system that goes on

524
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:11,240
the back of a suppressor that like a Browning tilting

525
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:17,240
barrel mechanism, needs to make insure reliability. Basically, those pistols

526
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,240
couldn't run with a suppressor until very recently when you

527
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,480
could have like a four ounce you know, titanium suppressor

528
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:29,960
or something like that. They wouldn't run with consistently with that,

529
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,079
but the Brettas and Walters could, and so all through

530
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,200
the twentieth century you would see like the state of

531
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,359
the art at the time, suppressors which were big, right

532
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,759
and heavy would run fine on Walter's and Bretta M nine's,

533
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,480
M nineteen fifty one's, et cetera. And they would not

534
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,559
run on like a Browning high power or a cold

535
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640
nineteen eleven or a glock or something like that. And again,

536
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:03,400
like as you modernize, as the metallurgy becomes a thing,

537
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,720
you know, and you can get these very tiny, lightweight suppressors.

538
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:11,559
There's an exchange that takes place, like efficiency is like

539
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,319
volume and complexity of the baffles and so on and

540
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:19,359
so forth, which typically was required weight. But now you

541
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,400
have like you know, centered metal manufacturing, additive manufacturing, so

542
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,920
you can have these extremely light weight or like robotically

543
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,119
welded things from titanium and what have you. To where

544
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,039
you have a really robust can that doesn't weigh very much. Well,

545
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:41,000
you might be in a situation where you know, that's

546
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,759
kind of an afterthought, or you have some you know,

547
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:50,200
fabrication limitations. So the most robust operating system possible is

548
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,160
your best bet. The other thing that you get with

549
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,240
that system is that you can essentially put have a

550
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,440
mechanism that blocks the locking block so that the gun

551
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,200
won't cycle and it will retain the spent case, which

552
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,320
for which makes it a quieter shot, as well as

553
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,960
retaining forensic evidence. You know, in this theoretical fictional story

554
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,239
in Europe, not not mean not in America, I follow

555
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,840
all laws closely. But then what that does is it

556
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,599
retains the forensic evidence. It has a much quieter shot

557
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,079
because of you know, it's a suppressor. The action isn't

558
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:35,920
opening up and letting that sound out, which does make

559
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,360
a difference. It seems irrelevant, but it does make a difference.

560
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,880
And yeah, it's that's the basic concept.

561
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,599
Speaker 2: It's sort of an interesting one because you know, like

562
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,159
you said, there is this kind of fantasy of the

563
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,599
like you know, folded sheet metal submachine gun or something

564
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,960
like that. And and this is actually a problem you

565
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,719
see as well with you know h ks or even

566
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:11,559
like you know HK style roller delayed guns, where they

567
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,280
were manufactured in a way that made a ton of

568
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,119
sense when they were designed, right if you are the

569
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:22,039
Soviet Union, having a whole town that exists exclusively on

570
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,880
a rail line to make you know, these folded metal

571
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,719
monstrosities makes a ton of sense. But in the US,

572
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,360
where we don't have that sort of infrastructure, or you know,

573
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,760
if you're a partisan, one might say that is no

574
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,239
longer practical if you can't count on direct military aid

575
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,760
from the communist block. And so, you know, the the

576
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Liberator is sort of something similar right where it's it's

577
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,639
folded sheet metal, which is very affordable to do once

578
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:52,559
you have a giant facility where you can fold cheat metal.

579
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,719
But if you don't, all of a sudden, it's incredibly

580
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920
expensive to replicate, you know. Weirdly, you see that anytime

581
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,159
some sort of replica firearm comes out and people will

582
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:05,039
get very upset. They're like, oh, why does this cost

583
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,159
five thousand dollars? And it's like, well, because they basically

584
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,280
had to make an entire factory to sell three hundred

585
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,480
of them. Weirdos like this isn't like you can just

586
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:17,559
set up a C and C machine, you know, get

587
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,519
a forged aluminum blank from one of a couple foundries

588
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,400
and then just hit go. You know, It's a very

589
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,039
difficult thing to do. And uh yeah, I thought it was.

590
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,280
I thought it was an interesting piece for that as

591
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,119
well as for kind of like the the operation element.

592
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,920
Uh the it sort of reminded me of have you

593
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,519
ever seen I think it's gign all right, the French

594
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,440
counter terrorism Yeah, sort of hybrid you know, military police

595
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,519
force that still to this day uses you know, three

596
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:52,840
fifty seven revolvers. Yeah, and have that that sniper variant

597
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,360
right has a biopod fitted on. And the argument for

598
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,320
it is kind of interesting or it's basically like well,

599
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,320
you know, in an urban set sniping, isn't this like,

600
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:06,559
you know, calculate the Coreolis effect, you know, sixteen hundred

601
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,159
yard shot, you know, licking your fingers, sticking it in

602
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,400
the wind. It is an accurate shot, but it's like

603
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,800
twenty yards, yes, from a back rooftop to another, and

604
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,719
so over that distance, like a particularly accurate pistol with

605
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,119
a bipod is you know acceptable. They seem to have

606
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,440
had good success with it. Now they are French, and

607
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:28,400
so they do things in an odd way, and I

608
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,000
don't see many people that are trying to copy them.

609
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,679
Like what's the old joke, The French copy nobody, and

610
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,280
nobody copies the French, you know. But yeah, that's what

611
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,719
it sort of had me thinking of as well.

612
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's exactly the thinking. So like in

613
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:52,440
the in the story, a Bartholon's super block is essentially

614
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:56,280
you have a city block, and then you have buildings

615
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,000
ringing the city block, and then you have a large

616
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,679
courtyard in the middle and basically rooftop to balcony, and

617
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,400
you know, across the greatest extent of it, it's no

618
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,800
more than like sixty meters seventy meters and so, and

619
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,920
that's that's pretty pretty consistent. And so I mean a

620
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,880
fifty meter shot, you know, fifty yard shot is with

621
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:29,119
a you know, a PCC and nine millimeter PCC U

622
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:34,559
with a stock extended and everything braced against a balcony,

623
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:38,920
you know, handguard or something like that. Like. That's not

624
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:43,239
a hard shot. That's with an optic Like that's incredibly easy.

625
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,519
And so that's the car goal.

626
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,639
Speaker 2: I've been reliably informed that a one hundred and forty

627
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,639
yard shot with a scope thirty OT six rifle is

628
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:55,159
so difficult that only a trained Israeli assassin. Yes, So

629
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,360
I don't know if I believe you.

630
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: Yes. Also also I think the I think the g I,

631
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,199
g N were involved in that one too, you know,

632
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:09,280
according to certains, that's incredible.

633
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, Uh, I'll put it this way.

634
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:13,639
Speaker 1: Uh.

635
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,119
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest fan of the Macrons for any

636
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,800
number of reasons, but uh, you made if you did

637
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,880
as a favor, all would be forgiven.

638
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: Uh.

639
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: So I'll say that is a joke, but it would

640
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,159
be really funny if you did it. And when I

641
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:37,239
say you did it, mister mccron, either mister mccron, Uh,

642
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,719
I mean you personally like, I won't be happy until

643
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,400
I see uh you know you on the rooftop. It's

644
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
all I mean to say. We've got a few super chats,

645
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:52,480
Uh Mario two dollars, God bless gentlemen, Thank you very much,

646
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,800
and uh super Jackhack two. Dear Jay, you once said

647
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,679
that you go guns miserable wretches. To that, I retort,

648
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,840
know you, thank you for finally having a decent guest

649
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,920
on for some actual quality content.

650
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: You met Jack.

651
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did. I mean fair enough, man. I

652
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,280
guess you pay me ten bucks to say it. But no.

653
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:20,800
My main opinion on this, which I one hundred percent

654
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,079
back up, the Yugo mausers are really nice. The ugo

655
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:29,719
aks are miserable. They're they're ungodly heavy. The quality on

656
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,039
them has always been suspect, and you're starting to see

657
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,719
more and more of a consensus building around that. But look,

658
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:41,719
the ak is already, relatively speaking, quite heavy. Just is

659
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,199
what it is. To make it for no reason like

660
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,199
fifty percent thicker. It's not like people are blowing ak

661
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,360
frames apart, right, It's not like the things of rattling

662
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,320
itself to death. Why did you do this? You made

663
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,440
it ugly, heavy, worse, and it costs more money to

664
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:04,519
what end I have? The Hugo's, Uh, it just hideous

665
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:05,800
as far as I'm concerned.

666
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,559
Speaker 1: Uh, finishes are beautiful though when they're brand new and

667
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,320
the quality of the wood is is shocking. A Jack.

668
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,639
It's funny because Jack and I fired a Pals five

669
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,000
five six Ugo AK and we looked at each other

670
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,199
and we were like, what the hell because it's totally overgassed.

671
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,039
You know, it's an AKA, right, totally overgassed. There. I

672
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,320
swear to you there was more felt recoil in this

673
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,760
because of the mechanism than just about any AK I

674
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,039
can think of, like like a seven six two AK

675
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,960
had less felt recoil than this than this Ego five

676
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,519
five six AK. We were we were astonished by it.

677
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,760
And again it's totally overgassed. YadA YadA. I mean it's beautiful.

678
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think we've got him.

679
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: Boys got him. That's hilarious.

680
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,519
Speaker 2: So you know, as I sort of joked before, I'm

681
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,920
fast approaching an era of not being able to buy

682
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:13,199
anything fun. And so my one purchase and for two reasons,

683
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,480
One because I actually think that you know, if you're

684
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,599
planning on doing an SBR. It's like the right way

685
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:19,320
to do it, and also it's a funny thing to own.

686
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,239
You are talking to a future Draco owner, Carl. Hell yeah,

687
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,840
so I'm really entering my wigger arc. I'll get one

688
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,519
of the gold spray painted ones off of like Atlantic

689
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:33,480
firearms and just start, you know, mag jumping out of

690
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:38,599
my Chrysler three hundred sixty four wounded, zero killed. You

691
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:39,159
know who did it.

692
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 1: I will say this like like, I think I texted

693
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,679
you this. Of course I.

694
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,559
Speaker 2: Also sent me I think the funniest meme anyone has

695
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,480
ever sent me about eight ks.

696
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,039
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember which. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think which we cannot play live. Oh. If

698
00:42:56,679 --> 00:42:59,840
you're familiar with the stereotype of the gun, you can guess.

699
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I think I even got that one

700
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,239
from Jack. But anyway, the I had a Draco at

701
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,360
one point, but it was before the arm brace was

702
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,639
a thing, and I had two little kids, and I

703
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,039
it was the eight and a half inch barrel variant,

704
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,199
which was like the original, the original one, and that

705
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,599
this is some deep lore that people don't know about,

706
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:31,280
but this is confirmed from a book that was written

707
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,039
in the late nineties or it might have even been

708
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:39,920
the early aughts that by that Klashnikov himself was involved

709
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,679
in that came out of the I think it was

710
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,480
iSmash Factory that had the developmental history of like basically

711
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:57,599
every project that Mikhail Klashnikov worked on, and the krinkhofv

712
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,559
right that everyone knows in the five five the barrel

713
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:08,880
length in that was figured out in the sixties with

714
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,079
experiments on the seven sixty two x thirty nine AK

715
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:17,880
to where the muzzle velocity would drop off enough and

716
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,199
the muzzle blast would kick up enough that it became

717
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,199
really inefficient. And that was the cutoff point is a

718
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,559
point five inches. Anything shorter than that and it has

719
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:28,400
a lot to do with like the powder and a

720
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,239
bunch of other stuff, but anything shorter than a point

721
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,440
five inches, the muzzle velocity and efficiency of the cartridge

722
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,239
just plummets. You also see this with three hundred blackout.

723
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:43,639
It's like a sweet spot for the supersonic loads. So anyway,

724
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,079
so the Draco originally had that barrel length, and now

725
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,400
they have shorter and shorter ones because people just use

726
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,639
them as you know, they're for spring the ghetto with bullets.

727
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,280
But I didn't My plan was to sbr it and

728
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,239
then that I can't remember. I bought it for like

729
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,159
three hundred dollars at the time because I bought it

730
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:10,280
in like the odds and the price is skyrocketed. And

731
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,800
so I sold it in like twenty sixteen or twenty

732
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,199
seventeen for over a grand because I had I could,

733
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:23,239
And I was like and and again at the time,

734
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,440
I was like, am I gonna put a Am I

735
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,440
going to do all this stuff?

736
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:26,599
Speaker 2: Like?

737
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,639
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not worth it. So I unloaded it

738
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:34,079
because I was like tired of tired of it because

739
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,760
they're kind of they're pretty ghetto, like the finish on

740
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,920
them is quite bad. But if you sit there and

741
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,119
lovingly like sanded it and do all this stuff and

742
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:44,920
refinish it. But you can also, what I would say,

743
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,880
if you want it to actually be useful, if you're

744
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,679
not just blinging it out, get it in adjustable gas

745
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,400
block or in what with the fixed front sight. Trying

746
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,079
to think of the company that makes it. But I

747
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:57,800
know the one you're talking about. My buddy was one.

748
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: He had one of the close out class to call

749
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,199
the USA AK one OZH three's right, Yeah, a really

750
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:03,719
good gun.

751
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: It's really nice.

752
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's absurd now. It's got like the full

753
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Ukraine War like zen it. Yeah, of course it weighs

754
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360
like twelve pounds, but it is kind of cool. But

755
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,079
they make a like a twelve and a half inch Draco, yes,

756
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:20,719
which is much more practical and is it an absurd

757
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,880
thing to own? Yes, But also it's like SBRs are

758
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,360
free now, so it's like, okay, whatever, just do some

759
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,039
paperwork and like all of a sudden, you know at

760
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,679
twelve inch or a twelve inch ak that is a

761
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,480
nice thing to have, you know, like that becomes very handy.

762
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,440
The powder is basically already burned. But also you get

763
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
to say you own a Draco, which is kind of funny.

764
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I'm if you haven't adjusted gas block,

765
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,320
it makes a good suppressed weapon.

766
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing is, I, like many people,

767
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,199
bought a full size thirty caliber suppressor as my first

768
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,639
can and then realized I really don't shoot anything that

769
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,119
that makes sense on and so now it's like the

770
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,599
most ass backwards purchasing ever, which is what kind of

771
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,440
makes sense to put this suppressor on, which is a

772
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,480
horrible way to make financial decisions.

773
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,599
Speaker 1: But that's when most that's what happens when you do

774
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:16,639
that is you're like, if I thirty caliber one, it'll

775
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,039
work on my five y's six. And yes, I have

776
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,039
this one rifle that I might thread someday, you know,

777
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,119
but you don't.

778
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it's one of those things as well

779
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,280
where it's like I then got a small or you know,

780
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,599
low back pressure five five six suppressor and that's the

781
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:35,360
only one I use.

782
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,079
Speaker 1: It's oh yeah, they're wonderful. It's it is.

783
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: It makes it so pleasant. It gets rid of that

784
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,079
like I can feel the minor TBI as this like

785
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,519
you know ten inch ar abomination goes off right next

786
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:51,920
to my head. Uh so yeah, you know there are

787
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,559
advantages to it. The uh it's kind of funny. Have

788
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:59,159
you ever messed with any of the like Bulgarian milled

789
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:59,880
ak stuff.

790
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're really nice, but like you, like you were

791
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,800
saying before, they're not exactly lightweight, but they're very nice.

792
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: My a body of mine is it's actually it's a

793
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,280
beautiful gun. It's one of the you know, high end

794
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,840
arsenals with the side folding parastock.

795
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,199
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And it is a hoss.

796
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: It's absurd. And you know when I when I first

797
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:30,920
met him, I am very much a like I prefer

798
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,440
all things being equal light rifles. I do a lot

799
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,880
to accomplish that end. And he had this like god

800
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,800
awful sig prism scope. It was like eighteen ounces. You

801
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,599
can look them up. They're in Tarkov. I think it's

802
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,119
really the only notable place there from dude, no joke.

803
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,199
It was a twelve pound rifle. It was miserable to

804
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,480
actually use, and so I like very gently over the

805
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,800
course of like a year where was like, hey, you

806
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,639
can buy a red dot site on Amazon, won't break

807
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:03,719
from a company you've heard of, and it weighs as

808
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,760
much as three pencils. It's great, and it does not

809
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,480
turn this thing into a you know, a giant boat anchor.

810
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,679
Because again, like I love especially like the fall paaras,

811
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,400
like the side folding wire stocks. They look sick. Yeah,

812
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,119
they don't really work as stocks, to.

813
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,679
Speaker 1: Be honest, Oh they're not great for that, yeah, exactly.

814
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: Thoughts on the Japanese heavy machine gun from World War Two,

815
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,599
I have none, to be honest, I.

816
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,599
Speaker 1: Do, Okay, you'll go ahead. Well, they use the Hotchkiss

817
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:39,840
system Machiavelli sucks to go. The Japanese settled on the

818
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,039
Hotchkiss system. The French use the hotch Kiss and the

819
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:49,639
Spanish did, and so a lot of the you know,

820
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:55,519
the Spanish world ended up using hotch kisses, and the

821
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,280
the Japanese also, you know, as as I'm sure you know,

822
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,559
they used seven point seven and then they also had

823
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:06,880
a six point five cartridge, and yeah, were there were

824
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,880
They look kind of wacky there, obviously from an era,

825
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,880
you know, that Inner war period like weapon development, you know,

826
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,480
can be kind of strange looking, but you can see

827
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:21,719
where things are going. So they're very innovative, but they

828
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,840
look kind of awkward, but they're they're actually quite quite

829
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,639
good and were highly respected. The funny thing is the

830
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:36,159
the Japanese did use the Type eleven in World War

831
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:38,679
Two also, but it was pretty obsolete. It was first

832
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,039
issued in nineteen twenty two, and it's an early Hotchkiss

833
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,960
design and they would use these like hopper trays for ammunition.

834
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:51,199
The heavy machine gun was also like that as well,

835
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:55,119
and the Spanish were in the same boat where they

836
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,559
eventually developed the magazine fed one, but they would use

837
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,719
these strips. They they didn't use like cloth belts. They

838
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,920
used these metallic like almost like a stripper clip, but

839
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,280
it would feed through. And the idea was at the

840
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,039
time they were much cleaner than like cloth based things,

841
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,679
and they were again yes, they were easy to load.

842
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,840
And so this is all this inner war stuff and

843
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,119
a lot of these designs that didn't continue through, but

844
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,400
at the time they made sense. There was a lot

845
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,039
of like logistical considerations that drove these design selections, and

846
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,039
a lot of them could be like we could say

847
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,559
in retrospect, we're a little obsolete, but not that bad.

848
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: So I think that is sort of one of the

849
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,440
interesting things is that we're in sort of a period

850
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:52,599
of effectively technological stagnation as regards small arms. Like realistically

851
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,920
we're all basically using cartridges that are one hundred years old. Yeah,

852
00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:01,119
actions that are seventy years old, and it's been kind

853
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,239
of minor refinements to that point. I saw a question

854
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,960
earlier asking about you know, six or five creed more

855
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,480
versus three o eight. It doesn't make sense for you.

856
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,119
That sort of depends on what you're trying to do,

857
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:13,360
Like for a hunting rifle, I actually think a six

858
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,880
y five makes a ton of sense. They're really pleasant

859
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,559
to shoot. You're not going to be shooting a ton,

860
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,840
so the downsides, which are you know, more expensive AMMO

861
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,760
and barrel life, they're not going to matter for you.

862
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,480
A six y five is really pleasant recoiling, which is

863
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,119
going to be helpful. It's slightly lighter, which you know

864
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,880
might be conceivably helpful. But also they're super flat shooting.

865
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,880
And assuming you're using just a basic hunting scope with

866
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,320
a cross hatch in it, uh, that's gonna make your

867
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,360
zero more functional effectively. Now, if you're shooting high round

868
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,920
count now three oh eight, you know, it's nice if

869
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,440
you have an accuracy, you know, you're trying to shoot

870
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,800
a long long range or you know, tiny little targets.

871
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,360
The bullets you need to do that are basically the

872
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,039
same price between two cartridges. It's just six' five is

873
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:59,639
a little flatter, shooting so it's a minor. Refinement it's

874
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:02,760
a really nice. CARTRIDGE i like shooting it a, lot

875
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,000
but you, know for what. End but that's another example

876
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,119
right where effectively three o eight it's been around. Forever

877
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:10,119
three o eight, is let's be, honest just thirty out

878
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,159
six short thirty out, six which will instantly vaporize a

879
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,840
neck from any distance and could never do anything other

880
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,280
than instantly blow someone's head, off As i've been reliably

881
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,880
informed on the. Internet but you, know it is a

882
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,599
minor extension of that same family, line, Right nothing crazy

883
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,719
has really come, Out and obviously there have been advances in,

884
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,480
packaging you, know how do we make this? Economic how

885
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,880
do we fit the most in the least. Space but

886
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,360
it's sort of during this weird era where it's, like

887
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,880
let's be, honest you, know THE ar fifteen OR ar, eighteen,

888
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,360
right depending on which nation you, are has basically become

889
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,039
like the modern brown. Bess you, know it's like we've

890
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:51,480
sort of reached a technological plateau and, uh you, know

891
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,159
until something crazy, happens it's all sort of, like, well

892
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,880
what do you? Want, right how much money do you?

893
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,320
Have and what are you trying to? Do because you, know, realistically, yeah,

894
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,440
sure nice stuff is, nice and you, know a better

895
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:08,440
version of something will have measurable. Benefits but like your

896
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,639
particular boutique cartridge that is thirteen percent more effective than

897
00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:15,559
a nine milimeter doesn't matter because everyone in the world

898
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:18,239
uses nine. Millimeter so we're kind of just stuck with

899
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,320
it until there is something meaningfully better.

900
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:27,639
Speaker 1: Agreed there's also a. Uh there's also a comment right

901
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:32,199
after that From javier THREE d printed scorpions when, well

902
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,440
you're in. Luck, javier go TO O d y see

903
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,800
dot com odyssey and search scorpion THREE d and you

904
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:49,599
will find a couple good. Designs there's and they have

905
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,119
all the different ways that you can do. It there

906
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,119
is a commercial manufacturer who uses a licensed version of

907
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,719
a free file that's out there to THREE d print

908
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,719
scorpion receivers for the commercial. Market you buy a kit,

909
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,960
online you can get them with a. Barrel you'll probably

910
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,000
probably need to install it or maybe. Not it just

911
00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:20,079
depends on who you're buying. From it costs more with

912
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,679
a barrel. Installed there is a file out. THERE i

913
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,239
think it's on thingaverse is WHERE i got. It that

914
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,599
is A it costs like five bucks for THE stl

915
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:36,480
file and it's the jig for fitting and pinning a

916
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:39,719
scorpion barrel into the upper receiver so you can get

917
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,039
an original smooth. Barrel those are really cheap now they're

918
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:48,119
like fifty nine. Bucks they're required for you, know gun control,

919
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,000
purposes to sell the parts get with the barrels. Removed

920
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:58,559
you can get a modern threaded barrel version that at

921
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:03,400
very high standards of manufacture for like eighty two and

922
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,440
fifty dollars depending on who you buy it. From so,

923
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,199
yes you you can have a THREE d printed scorpion. Receiver.

924
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: Yes, well and that's another thing that's been interesting to.

925
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:21,679
Watch there are very few YouTube channels THAT, i you,

926
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,480
know really keep up, with but one of the best

927
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,119
is a YouTube channel called super Super Fast. Matt. Right

928
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:35,400
the guy's an engineer does extremely complicated and stupid car.

929
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,639
Projects so for, instance you, know he sort of made

930
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:42,320
his bones making a you, know a motorcycle Powered Honda,

931
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,559
roadster has a few land speed, records an off road,

932
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,679
viper all kinds of. Nonsense but he's gotten super into

933
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,239
THREE d. Printing AND i hadn't really paid attention attention

934
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,679
SINCE i bought a you, know two hundred dollars end

935
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,800
or three ten years. Ago it was kind of a

936
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,840
piece of junk and, okay so obviously you know he's

937
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,960
using this for a different, end, right you, know making

938
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,119
molds for carbon fiber or. Whatever but still you're, like

939
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,280
wait a, minute the quality of THREE d printers has gone,

940
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,639
up so quickly and the price has gone. Down you're,

941
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,519
like what this is all of a sudden incredibly achievable

942
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:19,000
because the old THREE d printers used to be super

943
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:22,679
aggravating to set up and you know product, Test LIKE

944
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,760
i had one that had a frame that was not

945
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,559
square and could not be made, square so it never

946
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,840
printed anything right because it was off. Axis AND i

947
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,840
think that's sort of an interesting thing that, like and

948
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,480
you see this with THREE d or with metal, centering

949
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,159
which you mentioned, earlier, earlier which is you, know commonly

950
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,679
referred to as you, know metal THREE d. Printing but,

951
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,679
again like the the capital requirements have gone down to

952
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:48,079
the point where it's like hobbyist one hundred percent can't do,

953
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:53,960
This and if you're a creatively inclined young man willing

954
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,679
to figure some stuff, out like you can do a.

955
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:58,800
Lot like even my brother in, law, right he has

956
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,280
a business where he's you, know doing basically high, end you,

957
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,079
know custom wood working stuff and he has a a

958
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,519
REACCESS cnc machine that he uses to make, molds to

959
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,880
make you, know molding all that kind of. Stuff and

960
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,039
don't get me, wrong it's a big. Machine it is

961
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,960
industrial and it's, expensive but it's like three and a half, Grand, Like,

962
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,719
okay that's a lot of, money but like we're basically

963
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,880
at a point where like a ten thousand dollars, loan

964
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:30,199
which you know is not that's a lot of, money

965
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:33,360
but like that's not impossible to. Accrue can you can

966
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,679
basically have your own manufacturing setup because that's really. Neat

967
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:37,880
you can get a lot done with.

968
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: That. Yeah, Absolutely and you know it's. Funny JAY i

969
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:46,519
got An ender THREE v three se my son AND

970
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,639
i got it For christmas last, year and it was

971
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,239
like one hundred and seventy nine. Dollars WHAT i wanted

972
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:56,079
to do, was, uh you, know figure out DO i

973
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,960
want to do THREE d? Printing and how feasible is?

974
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,039
It because if you're not actually doing, it it just

975
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:04,760
seems like there's this. Mystique but, yeah like in the

976
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,199
last year that the stuff available commercially has skyrocket and

977
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,199
quality so much that Like bamboo And prusa have machines

978
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,199
and then there's some knockoffs that for six hundred dollars

979
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,519
you can have a machine that will will manufacture stuff

980
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:29,239
to incredibly high standards of quality and Thirteen prusa has

981
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:32,480
one for thirteen hundred dollars that would do almost anything

982
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:36,920
THAT i can think. Of there's also the resin based

983
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,159
ones where you use like liquid, resin.

984
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: WHICH i have a lot of experience with BECAUSE i

985
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,559
have a lot of like miniature painting and stuff like.

986
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,000
That the quality on, that LIKE i don't have a nice,

987
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,159
machine BUT i can get a detailed quality at zero

988
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,880
point one, millimeters which is, Absurd but that's just a perfect.

989
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,280
Object like it looks better than something that comes out

990
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,800
of a. FACTORY i.

991
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: Am i'm working on BECAUSE I i love obscure niche.

992
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,960
Things it's like. This, YES i have a couple glock

993
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,559
nineteens as like as a primary go to, gun but

994
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:15,519
everything ELSE i have is like retardedly you, know niche and.

995
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: Some obscure Inter war thirty TWO acp. Pistol.

996
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: Yeah but LIKE i have A Charter arms forty four

997
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,880
special revolver and it's the one with the concealed it's

998
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,360
the hammer shroud. Version And i'm working with a guy

999
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,639
in our thing who has a THREE d scanner BECAUSE

1000
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:41,760
i bought some boot grips for it FROM i think

1001
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,760
it Was Hamry, forge. Right they're really nice, grips but

1002
01:00:45,159 --> 01:00:47,440
they're not perfect for this BECAUSE i want a higher

1003
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,119
grip kind of like THE uc grips That lipsies did

1004
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:56,320
a run of like four four two's with this really

1005
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,480
nice high grip because it's the concealed hammer, model SO

1006
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,320
i want to implicate. That so he AND i are

1007
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,840
working on, this And i'm, Like i'm you, KNOW i

1008
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,360
can sell, these and so If i'm going to do,

1009
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,360
That i'm going to get a resin, printer because you

1010
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,480
just get a finer level of detail than a THREE d,

1011
01:01:14,639 --> 01:01:17,800
printer you, know and speed and all this stuff if

1012
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,559
you're doing it in. Volume BUT i was, like but,

1013
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,840
wait my niche thing like maybe fifty people will buy,

1014
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,719
this WELL i. HAVE i instantly started getting these other

1015
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,920
ideas for variations THAT i think would sell quite. Well

1016
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,280
and So i'm going to try it with my THREE

1017
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,159
d printer BECAUSE i because it. Works it works fine

1018
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,719
for like a nylon based one with with glass impregnation

1019
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,280
or carbon. Fiber and THEN i can also basically start

1020
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:51,320
a side business making these, grips you, know and the cheap,

1021
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,320
machine Which i've done all these mods to it to

1022
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,719
make it really stable prints to a very high level of. Quality,

1023
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,599
Yes i've printed some stuff with, it and you, know

1024
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,159
it's it's a great, idea AND i THINK i feel

1025
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:08,760
like this is the future because you, know we have

1026
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,079
to like fend for ourselves because of THE ai apocalypse

1027
01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:15,519
that is being ushered in by you, know the business

1028
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,199
world where they're, like we're not going to hire you

1029
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,119
anymore because you're a white. Male but also we're not

1030
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:25,400
going to hire you because you, know we want to save. Money,

1031
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,159
theoretically and it's okay if we kind of tank the

1032
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:32,239
business over a ten year, period but what really matters,

1033
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,639
is you, know are even on numbers BEFORE i retire

1034
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:40,159
and cash? Out you, know because the the the early

1035
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,280
exer bosses are are crashing the system because they realized

1036
01:02:45,559 --> 01:02:48,039
that they're in the middle of a bust. Out they're,

1037
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:48,519
like oh.

1038
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: Shit, yeah, WELL i mean you see that with the

1039
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:59,920
way that executives are, Compensated, uh we're largely obviously there's direct,

1040
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,800
compensation but a lot of the real money is in

1041
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,400
indirect things like it's employee stock. Options they basically get

1042
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,320
paid in company. Stock and so you've created this system

1043
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,519
where the only thing that matters is stock values for

1044
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:15,159
exactly as long as it takes me to. Liquidate and,

1045
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:17,280
look they're wise to that they have like a vesting

1046
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,239
scheme where it'll take like four or five years for

1047
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,000
you to get all of it even after you're. Done

1048
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,719
but let's be, honest that creates a perverse incentive where

1049
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,039
the goal is not necessarily to you, know have a

1050
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:33,199
stable business long time or over a long, time rather

1051
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:36,360
or to you, know maximize long term. Profitability it's to

1052
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,960
juice you know what matters to, me, right the variables

1053
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,559
that matter for my, Purposes and, uh, yeah you're gonna

1054
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,840
see more and more of. THAT i was talking about

1055
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,840
this a little, bit and And Sean wilin may know

1056
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,239
more about this THAN i. Do but you see a

1057
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:55,199
similar thing with while people are still employed with benefits,

1058
01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,599
plans where there's a huge advantage to bringing on people

1059
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,400
for whom you do not have to have, benefits both

1060
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,840
directly because you, know health insurance and other things are extraordinarily,

1061
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,519
expensive but also because there are all of these different

1062
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:13,880
ratios that determine if a like benefits or compensation plan is,

1063
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,280
legal which means, like, oh you, know you can't funnel you,

1064
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,920
know x percentage of money to the top ten percent of.

1065
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,360
Workers you have to spread it out more. Equally, well

1066
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,880
if you take one HUNDRED us workers and turn that

1067
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,039
into an executive team of fifteen and like one or

1068
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,280
two shot. Managers, well all of a, sudden it becomes

1069
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,960
much easier to balance those. Ratios you, know you can

1070
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:37,400
just jack up how much of you and your buddies

1071
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,800
are getting paid without falling a foul of the. Law so,

1072
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,719
YEAH i mean more and more of that stuff is

1073
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:46,559
going to. Happen AND i think it's interesting that you've

1074
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:50,039
already seen the proliferation of this technology in other, conflicts,

1075
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,880
Right Like brazil is a good, example but also what's

1076
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,039
going on in Like me And maar and stuff like

1077
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:59,480
that Or burma whatever we call it, now where like

1078
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:04,119
these technologies are out of the. Bag you. Know, yeah guess, what,

1079
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:07,760
Bud you live in a cyberpunk future where you literally

1080
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,599
can basically get a machine On Ali baba for sixty

1081
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:13,719
bucks that will make you a. Gun, yeah what a

1082
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:14,159
time to be.

1083
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:20,239
Speaker 1: Alive Sean wiland commented That bamboo has political Issues, China,

1084
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,119
china but THEIR p twos can do everything for less

1085
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:27,519
than six hundred as an enclosed heated xy. Printer one

1086
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:31,920
hundred percent. Correct there's cheaper ones out, there but the

1087
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,119
support isn't as. Good there's some controls with. BAMBOO i

1088
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:38,719
don't understand a lot of this, stuff like at a

1089
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,360
super deep, level but, yeah that's what you want if

1090
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,719
you're going to be printing nylon and stuff like. That

1091
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,599
WHAT i would say IS i learned a lot from

1092
01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:52,079
getting a cheap, ender BUT i would not recommend it to.

1093
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:54,719
Anyone if you just want to start printing, stuff just

1094
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,159
get a. BAMBOO i had to build an, ENCLOSURE i

1095
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:01,480
had to add, BRACING i had to do all this.

1096
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:06,559
Stuff if you just want to print, stuff just getting a,

1097
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,360
bamboo it's plug and, play and you will just spend

1098
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,719
a lot of money on filament because it will be

1099
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,599
printing all the.

1100
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: Time, yeah it's AND i think that people the the

1101
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,920
meme of some guy buying a THREE d printer and

1102
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:25,840
then making like stupid desk toys is slightly. True, yeah you,

1103
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,840
know that's what most people use it. For but, like

1104
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,800
if you're listening to, this you aren't most. People so,

1105
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,119
like if you're interested in getting stuff, done it's incredibly,

1106
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:37,119
practical even just as a you, know a. Prototyping like

1107
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:39,719
my brother in, law he'll oftentimes use his THREE d

1108
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,039
printer because you, know he'll design a model and it's, like, oh,

1109
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,199
well it'll take a ton of machine, time you, know

1110
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:48,039
which has an opportunity costs associated with. It but also

1111
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:52,920
you know it's, messy you, know it's more. Expensive OR

1112
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,280
i can make a, model you, know print a you,

1113
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,320
know not even a particular high quality you, know replica of,

1114
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,639
it just to see, like oh is this roughly the right? Size,

1115
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,400
yeah it's way more expensive to find out that you

1116
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,800
made it you, know ten percent too big for a

1117
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,920
human to, hold, uh you, know after you've already made

1118
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,400
it in your final, material, right made it all nice

1119
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,760
than it is to just like squirt some out you,

1120
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,159
know have a THREE d printer and they're, like, oh

1121
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,599
well NOW i can. Adjust SO i think that that's

1122
01:07:19,639 --> 01:07:22,960
additionally something as. Well i'm curious AND i have floated this.

1123
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:26,199
IDEA i have no idea if there's anything to, it

1124
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,440
but one of the things That i've, wondered as you,

1125
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,480
know metal centering becomes you, know more and more affordable

1126
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,400
if the business model of manufacturing will, change where effectively

1127
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:42,320
you were paying for you, know a design product and

1128
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,159
then shipping or you, know sending that file to a

1129
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:49,320
local sort of, manufactory, right to actually have it, made

1130
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,239
because you, know with a lot of these you, know suppressor,

1131
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,719
companies that's basically what they. Do they're a. Designer they

1132
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:58,079
don't have the resources to purchase a you, know a

1133
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,239
five hundred thousand dollars machine to you, know perform at

1134
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,920
the level they need it to, yet and so they

1135
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,559
basically are renting out shop time somewhere. Else and so you, assume, like,

1136
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:08,880
okay let's let's move that forward into the. Future you,

1137
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,719
know maybe this becomes the same business model we already

1138
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,400
see WITH c AND c, shops where there's a machine

1139
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,560
shop everywhere and that exists so that someone is, like,

1140
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,159
hey you, KNOW i have this, THING i need it made?

1141
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:24,640
Local can you do? That blatant, speculation BUT i wouldn't

1142
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:25,399
be surprised if we see.

1143
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: That, Yeah like Mister wiland is referring to that as.

1144
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,039
Well he's he thinks we're you, know what we need

1145
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,359
to do is move to cottage industry And japanese Mashi koba.

1146
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:42,479
Manufacturing the general concept is local. MANUFACTURING i honestly think

1147
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,520
that that's where things are. Going and, uh maybe this

1148
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,000
is BECAUSE i read a lot of cyberpunk, stuff you,

1149
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:52,840
know as a as a. Teenager but there's a lot

1150
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,479
of sound concepts in there where there's a lot of

1151
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:00,000
recycling that we can do to get raw materials here

1152
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,960
like and then you, know re reconstitute the material and

1153
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,920
then manufacture with. It like there's probably going to be

1154
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,439
in some areas like in in like you, know smaller

1155
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,079
cities and larger, cities there's going to be a lot

1156
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:20,199
of OPPORTUNITIES i think for things along those. Lines instead

1157
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,840
of shipping everything To, china it's going to, stop like

1158
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,800
a lot because of tariffs and a bunch of other.

1159
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,960
Stuff it's going to stop making sense as well as

1160
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,279
just fuel costs and. Whatever local manufacturing is going to

1161
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,439
be where it's, at, uh just to save on a

1162
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,840
lot of those. THINGS a huge amount of prototyping is

1163
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,520
being done In china and then they mail the thing

1164
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,199
to you like, again like you, said you send them the,

1165
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,159
file but then they steal the, file whereas if you

1166
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,680
keep it locally In, america you, know that reduces that

1167
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,239
that risk or at least it delays you, know the

1168
01:09:55,319 --> 01:09:58,119
time to market for your for competitors stealing.

1169
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:02,279
Speaker 2: It, yeah and that's sort of a one of my

1170
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:06,199
my big, complaints right is That, okay we we started doing,

1171
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:10,800
tariffs but you, know tariffs exist too fun domestic. Industry, yeah,

1172
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,880
right to get them to a place of you, know

1173
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,199
parody so that you don't have, to you, know just

1174
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,279
compete with the. World and it seems as this we've

1175
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:22,439
sort of gotten the worst of both, worlds right where

1176
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,840
it's like you're getting tariffs and also that we've just

1177
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:31,159
brought globalism. Here you, know like we'll have shitty, factories you,

1178
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:33,600
know polluting, everything but you won't get to work there.

1179
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,119
Either BUT i think that you know what you're talking,

1180
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:39,600
about right is IS i think that that's a very

1181
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,319
that is a likely future because, again right, like as

1182
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,479
history resumes and as politics becomes something that has, actual you,

1183
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,600
know consequences on the international, stage, well all of a,

1184
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,359
sudden you, know you you can't practice this sort of

1185
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:54,439
retardo globalism.

1186
01:10:54,439 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: Anymore, yeah, Absolutely AND i mean it just it's just.

1187
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:06,720
Logical and PEOPLE i know in uh in manufacturing are

1188
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,479
seeing the worm turn towards them and they're and and

1189
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:16,439
they're feeling very. Confident and it's not only because Of

1190
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,359
trump's tariffs and. STUFF a lot of is just economically

1191
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,640
the model that we've been using doesn't. Work and and,

1192
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:29,399
especially LIKE i, said the biggest, issue you, know beyond

1193
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,359
the instability of, shipping like we learned a lot FROM, covid,

1194
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:41,239
right if if you're dependent upon you, know just in

1195
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:47,239
time delivery and it involves oceans and foreign countries like,

1196
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:51,359
that that leaves you very. Vulnerable and so there's a

1197
01:11:51,399 --> 01:11:55,960
lot of good Point Sean. Wiland we now have The

1198
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,720
office Of Strategic capital making investments and restoring manufacturing for military.

1199
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,399
Use there's gonna be a lot of military manufacturing coming

1200
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,880
back to The United. States people don't know, this but

1201
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,880
a huge part of military manufacturing companies In america are

1202
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:20,600
just assembling shit made. Overseas boeing manufacturers The age sixty

1203
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,520
Four apache In. Arizona it's it was previously owned by

1204
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:30,640
whichever HELICOPTER i, think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah they were,

1205
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:38,119
Acquired they Acquired bell and the the airframes for The

1206
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:39,039
apache are made In.

1207
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 2: INDIA i assume there's been no no noticeable declining. Quality,

1208
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,920
yeah and this is something that has actually come. Up

1209
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,720
there have been leaks unsubstantiated from Within boeing that a

1210
01:12:55,720 --> 01:13:00,840
lot of their recent, uh a lot their recent troubles

1211
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,279
are due to the fact that they're effectively that they're

1212
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:09,000
effectively uh you, know outsourcing components to places with much lower.

1213
01:13:09,039 --> 01:13:12,039
Standards oh, yeah you Know china for. Example so they

1214
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:16,000
were getting titanium From china that was not manufactured to

1215
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:20,560
uh that we're not manufactured to the appropriate spec that

1216
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,760
they Bought what they thought was you, know aircraft grade,

1217
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,520
titanium and really it's you, know a pot metal with

1218
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,720
like an oil skin finish on. It you, KNOW i

1219
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,920
don't know if that's exactly what, happened but something. Similar

1220
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:34,399
and again that becomes one of those things where it's,

1221
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,199
like look like are we are we a serious? Country

1222
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,079
like are we just going to keep doing that or

1223
01:13:39,079 --> 01:13:41,279
are we going to actually be a place that you,

1224
01:13:41,319 --> 01:13:45,439
know makes things even for our own? Benefit? Uh, Yeah

1225
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,920
there's there's a lot to be said on. That i've

1226
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,359
been interested to, see AND i think he'll be on the.

1227
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:54,560
Show uh sooner or. Later we're working on getting it set.

1228
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,119
Up but, uh you, Know Lucas botkin's new, company uh you,

1229
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:01,960
know launched very recently and they don't have all their products,

1230
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,239
out but he's been talking a lot about you, know

1231
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:09,640
the process of. Onshore now, look he you, know primarily

1232
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,920
does like nylon. Goods but one of the things he's

1233
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:17,600
been talking about is effectively that how absolutely preposterous it

1234
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,479
is to get materials where for, instance like there's one

1235
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,439
company in THE us that manufactures nylon to certain. Specs,

1236
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,199
yeah AND i say in in The United, states it's

1237
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:33,239
technically it's In Puerto, rico and they're so insanely backed.

1238
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:36,239
Up we're talking like two year waitlists that they can

1239
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:38,960
just act like a cartel, like, oh our prices are. Up,

1240
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:41,159
oh we don't feel like doing. That and so all

1241
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:43,560
of a, sudden right that business depending on it is

1242
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,560
screwed because they are manufacturing something that technically needs to

1243
01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:51,399
that needs to be made In. America you, know even

1244
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,920
if we Assume Puerto rico Is american enough for that to, matter,

1245
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:58,000
right it creates this kind of horribly perse. Incentives and

1246
01:14:58,039 --> 01:14:59,720
so he's been talking about, like, okay like what do

1247
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,039
we act actually, Do like do we do we need

1248
01:15:02,079 --> 01:15:05,880
a night like a factory to make? Nylon, like, okay

1249
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,359
that's that's a big thing to. Do maybe it's something

1250
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:10,760
to be. Done and so, yeah he has some pretty

1251
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,119
interesting opinions on. That you can find it on your

1252
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:15,720
own on. YouTube just look up his. Name but, uh,

1253
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,319
YEAH i think that you, know if if globalism really is,

1254
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:22,880
dead and it seems like it, is, uh we're likely

1255
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:23,520
to see more of.

1256
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: That.

1257
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 2: Now the question is for whom does that? Benefit? Right,

1258
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,479
like is this going to be you know what we've

1259
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,680
been complaining, about which is domestic labor or domestic you,

1260
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,279
know manufacturing with international? Labor, right that doesn't really help,

1261
01:15:36,359 --> 01:15:38,920
us but, uh you, know there is an opportunity to

1262
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,560
make a correct. Move we'll see if they actually get to.

1263
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,920
It But, CARL i realize you have to. Go i'm

1264
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,239
want to keep you over. Time so where can people find?

1265
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: You? Man you can see me yelling at clouds on

1266
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:56,119
x at Cowdo doll or better, yet if you want

1267
01:15:56,119 --> 01:16:00,960
to see podcasts and articles and stuff like, that check

1268
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,880
out My Substackcarl doll dot substack dot. Com it has

1269
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,760
pretty much. Everything thanks for having, Me, jay.

1270
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,279
Speaker 2: Happy to have you. ON i also want to say

1271
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,239
big news sticks hex And hammer has been. Arrested yay

1272
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,039
for a domestic, dispute which is kind of. FUNNY i

1273
01:16:19,079 --> 01:16:22,880
won't yeah, Whatever i'll gloat a little. Bit it's kind of.

1274
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: Funny it's kind of.

1275
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: Funny cultist libertarian goes to. Prison we'll see how that

1276
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,399
goes for. Him, Anyway, dude it's been ton of fun

1277
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,199
to have you b link to all your things down

1278
01:16:33,239 --> 01:16:37,159
in the description as far as my, Stuff Jay Burton, Show, Apple, spotify,

1279
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:40,000
YouTube anywhere you want to hear, It, CARL i appreciate.

1280
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,079
It to everyone at, home keep your head. UP i

1281
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:43,319
can't last. Forever Good, night