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Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going? It's Antonio Michael. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love the way you say that. Is it because

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you've practiced it or is it that there's just something

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about that name.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do get a lot of practice saying my name.

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It doesn't sound very modest, but here I am.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's almost like modern day society has forgotten

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to say their name with pride. It's like, what is

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your name? Jimi jon It's what Jami Johnson? What do

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you know? What are you talking about? Dude? Say some

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say it with pride. Be proud of yourself.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, you know what. I've never thought of that,

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but you know, every every day when when I'm when

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i'm recording, when I'm prepping for my podcast. Yes, I

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am recording my podcast. I never thought about it until

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you mentioned it just now. But I say my name

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a lot, and I got to say it Claire because

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it's the brand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's what I had to

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go through when I first came down from Montana to Charlotte,

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is that they wanted me to get rid of the

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name Errow Collins because it sounded too much like Harold

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to get rid of the name. I said, no, I'm

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just going to change the way I say it. It's

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a Row Collins and so then this way then, but

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I've been able to keep it. But but yeah, they

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didn't want it at all, because you know, a name

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believe in the name, how can I sell the name?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I always say, like people always say, hey,

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in the business of putting yourself forward, different is what

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you instantly stand out. So so and and of course

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we're going to teach them how to say it. They're

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gonna know it. They're gonna know you. You know, as

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soon as you do. We know how to say Arnold Schwarzenegger. Don't.

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underneath their breath when they say his name. I'm pretty

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sure I can hear some pride when they say that name.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so and so. It's a very you know,

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what's in a name Rose by any other name of

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smell just the sweep, I don't think so.

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and a lot of people don't know this, but but

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podcasting did not began back in the nineteen eighties because

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of comedians and you know, musicians. It was all about

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the authors who created the podcast. It was them. And

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so to see you write Black Cherokee and other books,

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I'm going, my god, he is absolutely one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it's oral tradition. A long time,

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long time before we had news casts and books and

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satellite and TV. It would be a bunch of people

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sitting around the fire, telling stories, asking questions, passing on

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the history and the tradition. So you know, podcasting started

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a long time ago. It's in our DNA, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say, yeah, yeah, part of that storytelling, which you

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do quite well in Black Cherokee. I do have to

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ask where did the inspiration come from? And when did

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it hit you that this is the direction you were

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come and give you these well thought out reasons for

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why they did what they did with their book, and

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it came out exactly how they planned it. But I

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your partner? You know, and a lot of you know

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what I mean, and we always have reasons, well it's

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this and their eyes and you know, they like my family.

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a moment, a magic happens and suddenly you are captivated

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by the thing. And that's how this inspiration came to me.

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I was traveling in your Neck and Woods, North Carolina,

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South Carolina a lot for a job I had at

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BlackBerry and and I was just so captivated by the landscape.

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the bend in the river, the rural steading, Grandma Blue Ophelia,

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her granddaughter. I knew that they were Afro Indigenous right

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off the cuff. And then it's almost like a visitation

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of a ghost, and it's mysterious. And then for me,

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the writing of the book is the solving of the mystery.

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soil that which I live on, which is a forest

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in South Charlotte, I totally believe. I'm not the writer.

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and which is the reason why when it comes to

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my writing, I want to put the writing back in

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the earth and give it to the next writer, because

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it doesn't belong to me. I was just here for

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when you're a gardener, right, and you don't actually you

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don't actually go and pull the stem and make it grow.

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that it can grow. And that's how I see myself

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with the book. I'm a I'm a conduit.

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Speaker 1: But man, you've you've mastered something here Antonio that a

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lot of people are not doing it. And I'm so

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grateful that you are pacing the pacing of the story,

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taking the time to really give us the story because

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we get to digest it now. Is that because you're

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a binge watcher when it comes to television? How did

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you get the pacing of this down to where everybody

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can call this their book?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, thank you first of all Arrow for

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recognizing that, because I thought very deeply about the pacing,

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and in fact, it was a lot flower really started. Yeah,

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through the process. You know, here's the thing. It's like,

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I spend a lot of time reading. To me, like

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my reading is just hey, what's on New York Times? Hell,

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I'm reading. I'm reading the history of literature, right, I'm

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reading sometimes hundreds, sometimes even thousands of years old. And

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so so the current trend is for everything to be

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pop pop pop pop pop. You know, don't BORI us

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get to the chorus. But I think what we lose

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in that is you don't get to fully stink into

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the world of the character. You don't get truly understand

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the mind of the character. So when something happens to

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that character, like you, I want the audience to care

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because they're they've seen what they're going through. They understand

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their fears, their anxieties, their content yep. And and I

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think that's a lost start. And so I you know,

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the world so you feel like you're there, and that

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takes time. You can't just rush through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we're all very guilty of hurry up and

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get this over with. Hurry up and get this over with.

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And no, no, no, no no. When it comes to

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your book, Black Cherokee, it's like, no, let me give

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you the full picture here so that you can understand it,

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so you don't have to come back five pages from

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now and say, what was going on again? No, you

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explained it because you took the time to make that happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it. It's almost like meeting someone and

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you're like, Okay, you're my best friend. I know. We

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let's get the part where we actually have conversations and

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nights out and get into trouble and get out of

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trouble and do all of that bonding. Let's just get that.

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I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna pretend. But of

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course we know in real life you don't have a

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connection with someone unless you've lived and been there with them.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Antonio Michael coming

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up next. The name of his book is Black Cherokee.

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We're back with author Antonio Michael. What is it like

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for you though, to add personal things to that storyline,

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because a lot of people are gonna say, well, I

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didn't know this about you, Antonio. Why am't you never

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shared this with me before?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, and it depends, like you know, so

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sagaboy my memoir. Yes, yes, Harry, that's about my life.

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And a lot of people that knew me said exactly

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what you just said when they read it. They said, Hey,

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years and I didn't know anything about yep. Yeah, But

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of course that's why you write a memoir. You write

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a memoir because they're parts, because you want the whole

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of the story to be told in a novel like

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Black Cherokee. It's I like to think that everything in

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the novel comes out of the author's psyche somewhere. So

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every single character in Black Cherokee has a little bit

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of me, a little splinter of me in them, and

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in fact, I think that's what allows me to bring

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them to life. Yeah, I have to draw on all

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my experiences and my disappointments and my vanity and my

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you know, like I've got to bring everything I am

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to the table in order to serve the book and

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serve the story and serve these characters.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you are spot on with this, because all the

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research that I have put into, you know, making that

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connection with podcast listeners or even readers and things. If

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you do not put yourself in that story, they will

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not invest their time. They've got to be able to

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come to your events, your readings, or even to come

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to your podcast and know that with Antonio on there,

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I'm going to get something they want that it can't

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come from anybody else. It has to come from Antonio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it. You can take the same message,

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put it in someone else's mouth, and if they don't

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have that same connection, it's not going to be the same.

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think about the last time someone told you a story.

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they had that credibility with you and what they were

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telling you drive with who you know them to be,

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then you believe them.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel though, when someone goes, oh, I

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thought you were talking about Kevin. No, it was Mike.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the awkwardness and misunderstanding is part of

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the is part of the food, right, it spices the food.

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Speaker 1: So now, with you being the radio host, the speaker,

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the musician, the author, when do you find time to

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be Antonio? Because I know that creativity is an addiction.

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You cannot just instantly put it down and if you do,

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you rough up your soul. How are you finding time

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my creativity. Like I see, I feel like if I

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if I were writing formulaic stuff that had nothing to

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do with my experience, then yes, I would need to

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make time for me, Okay, But the truth is almost

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everything I do in art is spending time thinking about

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I think that they're the actual point, Like the people

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that love us care for us. I think we think

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of them sometimes as you know, I'll hang with you

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if I have time, but I actually believe that that

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they're the point. You know, we go and we live life.

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When we're with them, we can have things to talk

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about and laugh about. And so so I really do

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make time for my my friends and my family, my brothers.

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You know, it's it's it's really important to me. So

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that's when I get in the meantime. But you know

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the truth is it is an addiction. Yeah, but if

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you ask me, If you ask me, it's the healthiest

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addiction I could problem with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Amen, Amen, you got to come back

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to this show anytime in the future. The door is

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always going to be open for you. First of all,

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before we do that, let's make sure where can people

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find you and all of your writing, because I don't

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want them just to have a couple of pages. I

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want them to have your entire journey.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, well, for sure. I mean, first of all,

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any of your big box bookstores are going to have

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Saga Boy or Black Cherokee. Tho, those are the books

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looked for them. You can also look by my name

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online and Tonio Michael Downing if you're on social media.

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I have all the social media's, but I tend to

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focus on Instagram, so it's just my name Antonio, my

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Michael Downing at Antonio Michael Downing on Instagram. You know,

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reach out to me, tell me what you think. If

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you read the book, you got some thoughts DM me.

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I'm always in those dms talking to people. I love.

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I love hearing how the readers respond to the story.

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This is why I do this so I can have

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great conversations with people, so including right now Aero. So

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thank you, I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Well you got to come back, man. The door is

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always going to be open for you.

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Speaker 2: That is a deal. I will take you.

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Speaker 1: Up that will. You be brilliant today? Okay, sir you too,

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Take care ERROW.

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Speaker 2: Nice talking to you.

