WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:05.080 You are now listening to the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast Network. 2 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.879 Hello there, and welcome back to The Disconnected, here for 3 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:25.600 the second time with mister Daniel Kramer, contributor, director, filmmaker, 4 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.760 incredible person overall. Daniel, Thanks for doing this again. 5 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.600 It's a great pleasure to be. 6 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:33.280 Back on the show. 7 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:37.920 It's one of those things where I looked back to 8 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:40.240 the last time you were on here and I realized 9 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:43.119 it has been far too long. For some reason, I 10 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:45.640 felt like it was last year, but it's been It's 11 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:49.119 been almost two full years now, and you have had 12 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.799 some massive life changes since then. First of all, you moved. 13 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:57.439 You moved south from from Frisco to Pasadena. How's been 14 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.000 the transition downward for you? 15 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:02.240 Uh, it's been great. 16 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:08.159 I moved down because my then fiance and now husband 17 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:14.079 got a job at Claremont McKenna College. He's a in 18 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.959 the math department, very very different from me, but so 19 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.280 otherwise I probably wouldn't have left the you know, the 20 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.280 Bay area. I was very much at home, but no. 21 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.920 Being being in the LA area has been has been great. 22 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.840 I'm able to connect with a lot of the a 23 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:32.560 lot of the people that I work with on a 24 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:38.519 on a pretty regular normal basis, including Alan Arkish, David 25 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.640 del Valle, Howard Berger. You know, I see the guys 26 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.120 that I work with on these extras and these tracks 27 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.079 a great deal more than I used to. 28 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:49.480 So that's been great. 29 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.519 I have access immediate access to the Margaret Herrick Library 30 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.200 and a lot of the local resources and a lot 31 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.640 of the local events. So and and Pasadena I was 32 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.319 you know, I was down and I was very down 33 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:06.799 on LA for a long time, just on an on 34 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.800 an aesthetic level, on a kind of ethos level. But 35 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.840 like Pasadena is really my speed and my husband's speed. 36 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.560 It's a very nice little burg here. 37 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:19.400 Uh so we all genuinely compared to the rest of 38 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:19.719 l A. 39 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:25.479 Yeah, it's it's it's its own little little kind of burg. 40 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:27.479 It's its own little hamlets. So we we. 41 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:29.639 I mean, my husband and I have a great time 42 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.159 just kind of like you know, they're they're endless places 43 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.719 to eat around here, like the restaurants are. It's a 44 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.199 never ending supply, like we're always like we're like almost 45 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.680 a year and a half or more into our time 46 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:44.719 here where we're still finding places. 47 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.840 So that it's been great. It's been great. 48 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:50.879 I do miss the Bay Area, but as far as 49 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:56.039 being anywhere else goes, Pasadenas is a pretty uh pretty boss. 50 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.680 It's a giving you opportunities to strike up friendships, like 51 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:02.280 with the Elliott Gould. That's been pretty cool to watch 52 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:04.479 growing with you. What happened there? 53 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:06.439 Oh my lord? 54 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:13.639 I met Elliott years ago at a party that was 55 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:16.639 thrown by Henry Jagulin, and I met a lot of 56 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:18.240 great people at those Jaguline parties. 57 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:19.599 I chatted up Diane. 58 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:24.000 Cannon, I remember at one of them, and another one, 59 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.319 I mean, Richard Benjamin and Paul Apprentiss would come, Monty Hellman. 60 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:27.639 Would be there. 61 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.560 It's like all the old Hollywood that I love was 62 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.639 of the seventies and whatnot, where many of them were there. 63 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:39.800 I wouldn't know what to do in a room of 64 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:44.120 modern celebrities. If I were in a room with Ryan 65 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.400 Gosling and you know, Emma Watson or whatever else, I 66 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.240 wouldn't know what to say to them. But I had 67 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.919 plenty to say to Richard Benjamin and Paula Apprentiss and 68 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.759 Monty Hillman and Diane Cannon and Mary Crosby who shot 69 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:55.240 J R. 70 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.599 On Dallas, and I met other all kinds of here. 71 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.199 But Elliott was one of the people who was a 72 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.680 bit of a and at least in those days, a prankster. 73 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.520 And I would hang out with him and David Profile 74 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:10.039 from the he was Richly Aprile on the Sopranos, and 75 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.360 David has who made a longtime friend, and we would 76 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.279 be off on a corner and Elliott would be pulling 77 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.600 these little playful pranks on people at the party. And 78 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.279 I kept his number for years. I never called it. 79 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.519 I ran into him again at the Karen Black Memorial 80 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:29.079 and then we we caught up briefly there. Then when 81 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:32.000 I when they were doing the Capricorn one set at Imprint, 82 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.839 I was like, oh, I don't have to go through 83 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.199 the agents and the managers, which can be a real 84 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.800 pain in the in the in the tush. So I 85 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.279 get his column and you know, we we had a 86 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.279 series of phone conversations about doing not just an interview 87 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:52.279 for Capricorn one, but for two other well, A Bridge 88 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:57.279 Too Far, which did come out and was properly released 89 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:00.600 on the four K package from Imprint, I believe, and uh, 90 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.079 then there's one more coming. So it was a three 91 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.439 It was a three part interview on three different titles, 92 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:08.319 and so I called him. I was like, you know, 93 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:11.319 so where you know Elliott very very you know, it's 94 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.639 a proper interesting way of a pattern of speech. 95 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:17.959 He goes, well, where would you want to shoot this? 96 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.160 And I was like, well, we could do it at 97 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:24.439 your places? Like, oh, I I can't do it there. 98 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:26.600 I was like, well I can. 99 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.480 We can come to you. I can bring you to 100 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.759 my place. It's like, oh, is that possible. I would 101 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.639 love to do that. I was like, okay, well I 102 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:38.720 can pick you up. And I was like yes, I'll 103 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:43.079 give you my address, and he did. I picked him 104 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.839 up and and and I drove him back to my 105 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:50.439 to our place. Here, Evan comes out of our bedroom 106 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:51.560 and he was like. 107 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:52.759 Hi, nice. Nice. 108 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:59.600 It was hysterical and and uh He's like, oh a 109 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:01.920 nice to meet you. And it's like, you know, my 110 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.360 son Jason is also gay, and you know, he goes, 111 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:11.399 but he was a delightful man, and we had a 112 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:13.800 nice drive to and from and we had a great interview. 113 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:14.439 And uh. 114 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:20.199 But yes, he I you know, when I came, it 115 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.319 looked like just a brief aside, it looked like his 116 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:28.600 house and looks like the place a bit where his 117 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.399 character lives in the Long Goodbye. It's not an elevator, 118 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.519 but it's a flight up. And I comment, it's like, 119 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:37.160 you can do the Long Goodbye to here. 120 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:42.800 Elliott. Uh, it's like, oh you think so well. 121 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.959 Robert Altman and I were talking about doing a sequel 122 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:52.720 for many years and it never happened. But yes, he's uh, 123 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.519 that was an interesting adventure. And then we of course, 124 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:00.199 like we met our couple friends that that weekend. It's like, hey, 125 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.160 we just had Elliott Gould over our house. They're like 126 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:02.519 we did. 127 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:07.160 What That's gonna be a nice perk for Evan coming 128 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.959 into a relationship randomly you come out of the bathroom 129 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:11.079 to Elliott and Gould. 130 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.160 Well, his mother was just like, you know, like you 131 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.279 brought Elliott Gould to your place, Like did you clean up? 132 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:22.720 Of course that's the first thing that she asked. 133 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.079 But it was like. 134 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.000 That's great. I mean, I uh, there's another friend that 135 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.040 happened to meet him. I think he was in line 136 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.120 for donuts in Koreatown or bagels or something like that, 137 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.800 and he was thrilled with him. But everybody's like, yeah, 138 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.279 he's so nice. I said, yeah, my friend Daniel has 139 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:43.399 been like getting real close to him lately, so yeah, 140 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:45.959 it's just everybody's having a good time with Elliott Gould 141 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:46.360 in La. 142 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:50.000 Yeah, and he would call me at a pretty regular 143 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:53.279 clip after that, and he wanted to talk about election things, 144 00:07:53.560 --> 00:07:56.399 and because he was very he's very into what he 145 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.160 was reading in politics and everything else, and I was 146 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.160 and we talked about it the bid on the drives, 147 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.399 so he was you know, he would call me and 148 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:05.639 do we just talk about like what's going on in 149 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:06.759 the election cycle. 150 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:08.399 So that was fun. 151 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.480 But yeah, he's he's a very fun guy and a 152 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.560 very very interesting person. 153 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:18.839 To be around. And of course, you know has his memory. 154 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.199 You know, he's he has a very jocular tongue in 155 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.000 cheeks sense a lot of the time. And so you 156 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.519 ask him about uh, Telly Savalas, like, well, whenever I 157 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:32.639 mentioned the name of Telly Savalas, I have to pay 158 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:37.240 him a certain amount. It's like Ellie's and I used 159 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:42.720 to play poker together. Buddy and I used to play 160 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.720 poker together, and it was like, you know, so, yeah, 161 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.639 he's very uh and when I it's funny when I 162 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.840 interviewed Brenda Vacaro for the same package, I was like, 163 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.600 so you were acting alongside both James Brolin and Ellie Gould, 164 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.559 both of whom were married to Barbara streisand and she 165 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:03.279 she's she's just fun, you know. But so Brenda's like, yeah, 166 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:05.600 isn't that interesting? I should have asked him which one's 167 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.679 your favorite? 168 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:14.519 I think I think Brolin is Brenda. But they're still married, 169 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:15.919 but I. 170 00:09:15.960 --> 00:09:17.279 Would hope that would be the answer. 171 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:22.279 Whenever Elliott mentioned he was like, well, my my former wife. 172 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:23.840 And I was like, and then you have to think 173 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:25.919 and he's like, yeah, I know, you mean Barbara streisand there. 174 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:31.320 Well, you got to take the good and the bad 175 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.799 in moving to Pasadena. Elliott is a perk, of course, 176 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.679 but this last few months the fires, you guys were 177 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:39.799 pretty impacted by that. 178 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.679 Yeah, we were down in uh, San Diego. We had 179 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:49.720 gotten legally married in December, and Evan had a conference, 180 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:55.399 he had a this statistician conference down and San Diego 181 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:56.840 says like, you want to come with, We'll make it 182 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.720 a little mini honeymoon for the legal ceremony. Anyways, Like, yeah, 183 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.039 it is a hotel full of like these really elaborate, 184 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.440 wonderful water slides, which I'd never been on since I 185 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:07.120 was a kid. 186 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:07.960 So that was fun. 187 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:12.080 And then we had people watching our cat who's right 188 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:16.840 up here, and she and we were getting the constant 189 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.200 reports was like in all the fires getting out of 190 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.759 control and the windstorm and everything else, and we were like, well, 191 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.720 we're let's us hanging here for now. And then it 192 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.360 became more and more apparent that our cat sitters were 193 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:32.000 going to have to evacuate and that the fires were 194 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.879 inching ever so much closer to where we lived, and 195 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.000 it's like, we need to get back home, like, you know, 196 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:40.759 we need to cut the short and get back home. 197 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.519 So we did. We it didn't really come that close 198 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:44.879 to us. 199 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:50.360 The two ten was the dividing line between evacuation zones 200 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.879 and non evacuation zones. We're near old town old town Pasadena, 201 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.120 so we were pretty safe. But yeah, it was pretty 202 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.320 pretty unsettled and disconcerting watching all that unfold and calling 203 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.200 friends and making sure they were okay. And we knew 204 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.159 quite a few people who were evacuated, and my husband's 205 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.600 carpool to call as a college carpool. Many of those 206 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.200 people and I lived in Altadena and did lose their 207 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:20.320 homes and are rebuilding. But yeah, it was quite quite 208 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:27.399 quite a trauma and a just an unbelievable thing to 209 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.159 see unfold. 210 00:11:29.759 --> 00:11:31.759 Yeah. 211 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.879 I visited shortly to California for a few days at 212 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:37.039 the end of January, and just the amount of people 213 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.679 that impacted and you know, stuff that you could see, 214 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:43.519 it was just it's kind of kind of crazy to 215 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.200 think about the I don't know, like the breadth of 216 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.000 the impact here for the amount of people that these 217 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.519 all affected, because it was so many at once too. 218 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:55.159 That was the biggest thing is alternate routes were even 219 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.039 affected for a lot of these people that were leaving. 220 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.960 Travel alone was just immensely impacted. 221 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:02.360 Yeah, it was multiple fires. 222 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:06.240 I mean Malibu as we know, and uh on the Palisades, 223 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.240 just parts were completely decimated. 224 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:12.240 Yeah, that's unbelievable. 225 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:17.360 And then I mentioned Henry Henry Jagulain earlier. You know, 226 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.159 I see him fairly often lunches and everything. Uh, he's 227 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.480 down in the in the Santa Monica area. He had 228 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:26.120 to briefly move out of his place and you know, 229 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.759 and it was I think it was a he only 230 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:31.679 had to wait a few days. 231 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:31.799 Then. 232 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.759 Randall Kleiser is another friend who directed Greece. He's up 233 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.000 in the in the running Canyon area. 234 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:39.799 He did. 235 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.639 He had to evacuate a lot of people that I 236 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.159 know had to had to evacuate her within close Joe 237 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:49.440 Dante almost had to evacuate I know. So yeah, but yeah, 238 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.080 it was constantly checking in with everyone that you know, 239 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:56.000 including other commentators in David del val I think almost 240 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:57.039 almost vacated. 241 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.000 But didn't. 242 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.000 You know other people in the commentary, you know, just 243 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.559 that they're doing these things all the time, or you 244 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:08.080 know friends. Yeah, you're checking in on everybody constantly, you know. 245 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.399 Yeah, first time you were here, we primarily were focused 246 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.720 on Sydney j Fury. It was a big deal for 247 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:16.679 you at the time with that box set coming from Imprint, 248 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.279 I knew it was going to be here today. That's perfect. Imprint, though, 249 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:23.919 has become more of a collaborator, like common partner for 250 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.559 You've done quite a bit for them over the last 251 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:29.360 couple of years. Uh, how's how's the relationship there? How 252 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:30.519 do you? How do you like Imprint? 253 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:32.320 Uh? 254 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.480 My fingerprints are all over their back on this one, 255 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.080 but uh, I think they're I think they're very happy 256 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.600 with the with the response, and it's been wonderful to 257 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.519 be able to go to them and uh, really this 258 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.720 project was birthed by the fact that my husband, who 259 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.480 as I mentioned, is a statistician, went away for a 260 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:54.279 number of months during the campaign season because he works 261 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:59.279 in uh, public data, political data, health data, all that stuff. 262 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.600 So that ALEC season was it is like prime time 263 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:04.399 for him. So he was away, you know, you know, 264 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:08.440 on the on the campaign trail, and I was left 265 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.519 home alone and very much missing him. And you know, 266 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.759 you had multiple options there. I could have drowned my sorrows. 267 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:19.799 I could have I could have become a public drunk, 268 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.039 and I could have curled up in a fetal position 269 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:24.000 under the covers for all that time. 270 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:31.360 But I really wanted this. This really began this whole Sylvia. 271 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.639 Ratzano set that I'm sure we're going to be diving 272 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.919 more into, but I'll cut to the chase. It began 273 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:46.080 when Vinegar Syndrome released Sylvia Ratzano's The Sky Is Falling 274 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.639 with Dennis Hopper and Carol Baker as part of their 275 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:51.519 Villages of the Damned set. And this is a film 276 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:54.960 I had seen via its other title blood Bath on 277 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.320 VHS for a long while, and uh on the VH, 278 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.879 I mean the VHS is and I I tend to 279 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:08.080 defend VHS, but this particular VHS was unwatchable. It was unwatchable. 280 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.159 And I feature a sample of the VHS in there 281 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:14.000 to to kind of demonstrate to people that this is 282 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.919 what they what people were seeing all these years. It's 283 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.759 so dark in the in the exterior shots, you can't 284 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:25.759 make out anything that's going on. You just it's completely 285 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.679 unintelligible on you know, you just it's unwatchable. But when 286 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:34.000 they released the Blu ray with this beautiful new scan 287 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.320 and the exteriors looks so vibrant and colorful and uh, 288 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.320 and that you could finally experience the movie, which is 289 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:44.600 you know, an acquired taste as my as my husband says, oh, 290 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.600 that the rankings on letterbox for that movie have a 291 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:55.360 uniform uniform distribution, meaning meaning that across the board, the ones, 292 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.279 that the ones and a half, the two's and so 293 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.480 on up until about four four and a half is 294 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.960 like equal lead, you know, dispersed, it's not like hanging 295 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.639 to one side or the other. Opinion was incredible, incredibly 296 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.320 divided on that thing, and I was absolutely fascinated by 297 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.919 it as a you know, as not just the queer 298 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.440 subtext in it, but the queer text in it, I guess, 299 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.519 and I connected with David del Valle on it because 300 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:26.840 both of us are interested in and that and that 301 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.080 type of thing talking about that thing, whether the hidden 302 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:34.399 and unhidden gay aspects of movies. And it's like, isn't 303 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:36.919 The Sky is Falling incredible? I was like, yes, it really, 304 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.440 it really is an unbelievable thing to kind of like 305 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.799 hold and look at and break down. And it's like, yeah, 306 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.840 I'm I'm really I feel like I want to do 307 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:50.799 a nrazanothon now I've seen this. And it was upon 308 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.559 seeing a movie called Young Shoulders, which is his last movie, 309 00:16:55.320 --> 00:17:00.159 which is very much au I mean, it's it's it's 310 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.000 a Swan song, but it's kind of a way that 311 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.920 he got through mourning the death of his of his 312 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:10.440 longtime partner, win Wells, who wrote The Sky's Falling and 313 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:14.599 died too young. And that was in seeing that movie 314 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.400 which floored me. I mean, my my jaw was on 315 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.119 the floor with a number of the things in that film. 316 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:25.319 I was so taken aback and so astounded by it. 317 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.240 It was as as a style pieces, as a piece 318 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:32.480 of a personal cinema, as a kind of almost a 319 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:36.119 very almost too intimate diary entry the way that you 320 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:37.720 know the sky is falling was. You know, it was 321 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.160 at that point that I said, I have to do 322 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.880 something on this guy. I don't know what that's going 323 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:45.640 to look like. I could probably never sell a book 324 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.319 project on him. No publisher would have it, even with 325 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.160 the whatever funky name I have. You know, I would 326 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.920 never be able to sell it as a book. I 327 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.519 don't know if would it be an essay, would it 328 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:58.640 be a monograph, I don't know. I got to do 329 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:02.880 something about and so you know, Josh Hibbard got a 330 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:04.440 bless him at imprint. 331 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.279 Every once in a while. So I was like, all right, 332 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.160 what do you want to see? 333 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:08.599 Uh? 334 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.160 And the you know we got we got this paramount deal, 335 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.000 what do you want from us? That that began as 336 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:20.000 an impression but didn't go well. 337 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:20.319 For the people that have ever talked to Josh. That 338 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.759 was pretty spot on at first. 339 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:27.880 Well, I might he always says, Josh, if you're listening, 340 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.519 sorry that was awful, but h but I said no, 341 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.680 I'd like Blue is a film that I had revisited, 342 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.279 uh with the knowledge that I had accrued from seeing 343 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.839 these other Arizona films and I'd become refascinated by that. 344 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.279 I'd always liked it, but I was like it was 345 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:49.480 had revealed itself anew to me, and I was like, Oh, 346 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.640 if you can get blue with uh fade in the 347 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:55.000 movie that was shot on the back of Blue on 348 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:57.799 the set and everything, that would be an amazing set 349 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:00.839 and I could do something about nerit for that. And 350 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:02.839 it's like, all right, it sounds good. He put it 351 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.279 on the list, And then so when Evan, my husband, 352 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.160 went off, I was like, we would rather than wait 353 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:13.759 for the green light, what I could basically, uh, sublimate 354 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:17.599 my my grief and my whatever into making something a 355 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.559 little more ambitious and a little more all encompassing, and 356 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:26.599 I could really invest everything into this this project for 357 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:30.000 the time that he's away, uh, which is what I did. 358 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.400 So like then, Evan was checking in on me at 359 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.359 one point, It's like, are you okay, you're hanging It's 360 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.079 like no, I'm good, now, I'm good, And I was like, 361 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:38.880 I miss you, but like I've got I've got something. 362 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.200 And by the time he came back, I was like, hey, 363 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:45.640 I got It was the fastest turnaround time for any 364 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:48.440 feature length thing I've ever done, and it was really 365 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.640 like it was seeing around that time made in England, 366 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.279 the Palm Pressburger movie Pressburger. That was that was narrated 367 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:59.640 by Scorsese. Now, now that to me wasn't just your 368 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:04.599 average nonfiction or biopic doc. It wasn't like you're It 369 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.480 wasn't like a you know, people magazine kind of survey 370 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:09.440 of like this happened, then that happened, and then you know, 371 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:12.119 put the pieces together like a PBS kind of thing. 372 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.880 This almost felt like a diary entry or like a diary, 373 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:21.200 like an extended diary where Scorsese went not only went 374 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.640 into the biographical details, but like what the individual films 375 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:31.640 meant to him emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, how they were kind 376 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.960 of touchstones in his own development as a as an artist. 377 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:36.200 And I was like, well, what a way to be 378 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:39.839 taken through a canon and a career and on all 379 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:41.880 these films as like that would be that would be 380 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:44.799 fun to do. It's like maybe I'll do that for Nrazano, 381 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.839 but I'll pace my commentary and then I'll invite other 382 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.880 people to come. Because I had written in one point, 383 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.920 like David del val film historian David Delvall in my narration, 384 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:56.839 I say, like David del Val says this, that, and 385 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:58.960 the other things, like well, why don't just go down 386 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.880 to David and interview and to get him on camera, 387 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:03.559 and that that would be so much better. And I 388 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.359 was like, Okay, this is integrating well to my my 389 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.400 very kind of deep into the weeds narration, why don't 390 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.640 I try to get other people? So, you know, I 391 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:14.799 was like I was asking, you know, Nathaniel Thompson, who 392 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.519 became really the heartbeat of the entire thing. You know, 393 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.920 Nathaniel was so eloquent but at the same time concise 394 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.559 and at the same time like he knew what he 395 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:26.799 wanted to say, how he wanted to say it, and 396 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.400 it came out perfectly so like he could he could 397 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.960 have timed the movie rhythmically by the heartbeat of what 398 00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:37.240 he said. So that was very helpful. And then I 399 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.519 just continued finding people who were willing to speak about 400 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.920 this filmmaker that most Cinophiles didn't know about. There was 401 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:50.279