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Speaker 1: At a book.

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Speaker 2: If you've had a dogman encounter that you need help

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dealing with, or if you'd like to be a guest

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on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

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submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'll

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like to be a guest on one of my two

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bigfoot podcasts. Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com.

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If you listened to last week's show, episode six twenty eight,

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you heard tonight's guest come on and talk about a

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dog man pop that she found wounded in the woods

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one day. Of course, I'm talking about April. April, thanks

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so much for coming back for this.

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Speaker 1: Que Oh you're very welcome. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh glad to do it, Glad to give you a

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platform as well. So yeah, that goes two ways. Well, April,

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for anyone who missed episode six twenty eight, please tell

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us about yourself.

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Speaker 1: So my name is April. I live in Pennsylvania, right

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I'm in the Appalachian Mountains, right off of the trail.

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I grew up in the mountains, so not even the

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woods in the mountains. I had a pretty great childhood.

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I was always in the woods, in the forest, that

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we had a state park that puts up to our property.

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We have natural waterfalls, caves that I explored, trails from

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the time that I could sneak off, I was in

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those woods. As I grew up, I traveled several places,

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several different states. I wanted to explore and see what

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all was out there. I had a large and small

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I moved to Texas Canyon, Texas, and I owned a

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large and small reproduction clinic for animals. And I made

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my way slowly around and back to Pennsylvania. And I've had,

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you know, several encounters now. And I reached out and

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I started speaking with Vic, and I was so glad

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that he was. He's helped me bring to light what

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I haven't been able to express to anybody. And listening

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to the other encounters, I know I'm not alone, and

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I just I want to thank you for helping me

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do that.

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Speaker 2: Vic, Oh, glad to do it. Yeah, That's what I'm

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here for. In April, I've got a ton of questions

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for you. But before I do that, I guess there

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have been some recent developments. Please tell us about them.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, so last week we had noticed our property.

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Let me start off by saying where where we maybe

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only have five neighbors, so we have about somewhere. We

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have a lot of property, That's all I can say.

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But we have around our house is fenced in with

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three acres, and then we have another paddock that's not

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fenced about I don't know an acre and a half,

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and then we have another connected to it. We have

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another fenced in area that's also about almost three acres

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fenced as well, and then it goes into the woods,

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and right across the woods is the cemetery and then

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to the left is a giant filled that we have

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probably probably fifty acres cleared there. Around about we have

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mine shafts. We have old coke ovens on our property

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right now where we live, and we have a lot

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of woods in the woods where i'd had one of

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the encounters last year. Something there is also last week

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I had my vehicle was urinated on at the corner

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of our house. And I have a very large Neapolitan mastiff.

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He he's pretty fearless. He's like he's a wonderful dog,

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but he's a no bs kind of dog. He's very

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protective and he loves his job well. Upon the urinating happening.

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He will not go where urinated on the house. He

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won't go near it. And he's a mill dog intact,

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so it's his nature to want to market. He wouldn't

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go near it. He wouldn't go near my vehicle where

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it's also marked. So we had started smelling this. It

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was the only way I can describe it was like

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a sulfur and decaying smell, but the sulfur was more

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like a sewer gas smell with decay. It's been you

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know where I'm at right now today it's currently sixteen

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degrees and we have a snowstorm. This morning, I had

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taken my dog out and it was about it was

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around four o'clock in the morning. I walked outside, it

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was snowing. It was again below sixteen degrees with the

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wind chill, and right away you got this whiff of

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that sewer gas mixed with decaying animal and I'm like,

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oh gosh. So we kind of we hurried up. He

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did his business, We came in the house. Then my

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partner he had went to work and he had texted

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me he said, did you smell that this morning? I said, oh, yes,

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and he had left it. I believe around seven thirty,

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and he had asked me why didn't tell him. I

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didn't want to wake him up at four o'clock in

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the morning and tell him that I smelled something outside.

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The atmosphere in the air was absolutely fine. There was

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no charge, there was no Sometimes you'll get that light

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or fight or that uneasy chill that goes up your spine.

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There was nothing like that this morning, just that pungent

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smell and then it was gone, which is really weird.

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And that, like I said, that happened this morning.

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Speaker 2: Holy call April. It's almost like, what's next with you? You

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never asked for any of this. I just hate the

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fact you have to deal with all this.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, but I feel like you know, I don't

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ever preach to anybody about religion, but I feel that

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the Lord has set us up for experiences. He moves

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in mysterious ways, and anything he throws at us, he

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knows that we're prepared to handle. Now. I've not come

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out because he in general, what they fear they destroy

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or you're labeled, and I wasn't. I didn't want to

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become a mockery. As I told you know, just my

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husband he knows and you do what I've been through.

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But you know, right now it might where I stand.

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I feel that everything is happening because it's supposed to,

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because it's preparing us for something. And you know that's

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that's where I always say, your belief in what is real,

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whether an let me try to raise this, your belief

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doesn't change whether something's real or not. Like you take

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a copperhead, that copperhead is gonna bite you, whether you

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believe in it or not. And I feel that, you know,

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I believe it just prepares us for what's coming next.

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I guess that's the easiest way to say it. I

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didn't ask for it, but it's happening. And sometimes, you know,

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these encounters that we have, we're told that they don't exist,

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they shouldn't exist, and there's no way, but yet they

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are happening, and it's more and more frequent. And you know,

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I have been diligently carrying my bear mace, and something

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I've learned from working with many of animals, you don't

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ever want to present yourself like prey by turning and run,

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and you're going to trigger that predator prey instinct in

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whatever you're facing. So I just figure that you know,

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my approach is I guess now, talk to it, tell it,

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I acknowledge it, I see it, and walk away carefully

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without trying to you know, trigger and oh gosh, I

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don't have to say that. I'd rather make myself look

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like a bad meal than something that's going to taste

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great by carrying that that bear base, or just acknowledging

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it and backing off and retreating and just letting it

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do what it's going to do out there.

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Speaker 2: Now, well, your knowledge of dogs animals in general, that's

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only going to help you because everything you've said about

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how you've been handling all this is spot on, textbook

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way to handle it. So that's definitely in your favor. Now.

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Last week, when I heard that episode, episode six twenty eight,

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I know there are people who looked at that title

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and thought, okay, yeah, this is just nonsense. Raised a

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dog man pop Well, so that everyone knows listening, it's

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not like these are just wild claims that April just

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tongue out there. She sent me photographic evidence, sent me

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photos of Shadow and the other animals and everything. But

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one thing that really struck me, Actually, the first thing

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that struck me when I was looking at the pictures

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of Shadow. Were those pictures that your sister took or

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did you take those pictures before I.

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Speaker 1: Get to this, Uh, it was a little bit of mix.

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at Christmas they my grandparents are. My mother got me

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a camera. So I still have the negatives. Actually, my

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sister brought all the pictures over and I had I

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didn't have any of them. She brought a giant tode over.

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I still have the negatives are still in there as

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well that were developed. So it was a little bit

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of It was a mix of her and I taking

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the photos.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, thanks so much for

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sending those to me. I've got a strange question to

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ask you, though, it's kind of tied to those pictures.

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When you used to pet Shadow, did his heir feel funny?

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Did his fur feel strange or did it feel like

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you would expect a wolf's fur to feel.

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Speaker 1: He was bristly, very so his coat. We raised pigs,

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and if you just would have put a lot more

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hair on that pig, it was bristly just like that.

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He just had a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: I see, Okay, The reason why I asked that was

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you touched on this in episode six twenty eight about

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how black he was in fact he was black, Well,

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that doesn't do it any justice. He is black, black,

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blacker than black. It's like it's like he soaks up

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all the light around him practically. And then also you

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sent me another photo showing the wound. I think you

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said in that one photo of the wound where he

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had been shot had almost totally healed. Is that what

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you were telling me?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I had circled U after I sent you

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the photos. I resent you a second photo where he

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was shot when I found him with a late and

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I sent you my rooster too. That was I would

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tote my backpack, but lady, myself and my rooster, we

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stumbled upon him on one of my little outings on

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our property.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I told you before, thanks so much for

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sending those pictures in I'd say, by far and away,

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one of the most impressive photos you sent me was

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of his dentitionan you told me that, I think before

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we started recording here, didn't you say that his teeth

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hadn't fully grown in yet when that picture was taken?

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Speaker 1: Correct, that picture was taken, he had just I believe

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he healed, and it was shortly after he'd healed that

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photo was taken and his teeth thought, I unfortunately don't

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have any photos of him larger, but his canines in

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his teeth, as you could see how jagged they are. Yeah,

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they just got bigger.

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Speaker 2: That's a scary thought. Right, Who did you say he

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was playing with in that photo? Was that lady that

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was in the photo with him when he was playing with?

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was my little Australian Shepherd American Eskimo spitz mix.

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She rode him, she did. Oh my gosh. She just

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from the moment that we all three met each other,

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it was always by my side, but she was like

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the instigator. She would take us on our little adventures.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a good thing that he liked her, because

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it feels quite a bit bigger than she was.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I mean that was the size of

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him in those photos. That's how big he was. When

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I carried him home, and like I told you, I

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had to go up hills, I had to go down.

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It was it was some work, but he trusted me

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and he trusted her, and it was like that bond

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formed immediately. It was like on the spot. He never

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growled at me, he never, he never snarled at me.

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I fed him. I was. I reached into my backpack

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where my rooster was, and everybody he was alive. I

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put out beef jerky and I gave him the beef

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jerky and he took it from me. And it was

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just like I said, that bond formed immediately.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're awfully intelligent. I'm sure he knew that you

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were trying to rescue him, so yeah, that would make

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sense there. I was kind of fuzzy on this. In

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episode six twenty eight. How old did you say you

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were when you found him and carried him home?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Gosh, Oh, I was young. I was probably about

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My grandparents were still alive, so it was before ninety eight.

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Both of my grandparents passed in nineteen ninety eight, so

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it was before then. I was probably about twelve, eleven,

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Speaker 2: You were eleven or twelve and carried what I saw home?

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Speaker 1: Hole it down, Yes, yes, but I had experience from

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working on my grandfather's farm. I was tossing bells a

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hay with him. I wasn't made to do it, but

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I whatever he was doing I wanted to do it,

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so I already had some pretty good strength built up,

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knew he needed me, and I don't know if it

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was so much he needed me as maybe we needed him.

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But I wasn't leaving him behind. That was not ever

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an option. So I did what it took. Like I said,

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it took me a little while to get home, but

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I made it. Well.

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Speaker 2: That is impressive. Of course, he was still a puppy then,

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But the fact that you carried him home, that just

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blows my mind. How did he carry him in front

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of you in a cradle somehow or over your shoulder,

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because as big as he was, I don't see how

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you could possibly have carried him in front of you.

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Speaker 1: I kept trying to get my arms around him so

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i'd bunch and mind you, he was recently shot, and

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you've seen where the bullet was or where he'd been

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hit by the bullet. I was trying to swoop him

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from behind and then in the front where his chest was.

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Speaker 2: Ah, you beer hugged.

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Speaker 1: Him, okay, yes, And he went fored a couple of times,

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and I knew it hurt, and I just kept talking

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to him. We had to take so many breaks. I

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don't remember putting him down in him walking. I just

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I remember carrying him. And I don't think I got

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him over my shoulder because I wasn't. At one point,

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he was getting pretty heavy, so I just tried to

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pick him up the best I could, but I never

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I don't remember ever flopping him over my shoulders. My

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shoulders wouldn't have been wide enough for him to sit

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up on my shoulder at that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because yeah, he'd be

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way too big for that. Now, in that one photo

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where I see where you circle the wounds that it

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almost tealed. At that point, it looked like I might

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have seen two gunshot wounds. But with his fur being

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so dark and the way his fur is, it's just

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so hard to tell. Did it look like he had

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one wound or two?

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Speaker 1: That was one wound his hair had started growing in,

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and those two spots where his hair hadn't grown yet,

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and that lump always remained there. But his hair did

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eventually come in completely there and it didn't come in white.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, then, Wow, that's absolutely amazing. It really is.

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Speaker 1: It was always like if you were in a dark

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room or it was really dark. He was always darker

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than the dark that you were in. It was just

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there was absolutely no white on him. There was no

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other color. He was just obsidian. I guess that's the

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best description for his coat. He was completely obsidian.

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Speaker 2: Now that's a good way to describe it, describe him,

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because yeah, he is as dark as can be. He

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really is. He's pitch. Did it look to you like

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he had been shot by a pistol, a shotgun or

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a rifle.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I was young. My grandfather suspected it

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might have been a bird shot, but that was the

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only wound he had from it, and it formed like, uh,

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it formed like instead of scarring, it just remained like

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a big lump. So I'm not too sure what what

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shot him when? Uh, yeah, you know what, I'm not

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too sure. I'm sure I talked about it with my grandfather,

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but I don't ever, I don't I don't remember that conversation.

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I just I wanted him to be okay, and I

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I just I felt like, you know, whenever you connect

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with an animal, you know it's meant to be the

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Only thing that he did not like was my dad,

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he would and you get into it like predominance. You know.

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There's a lot of times when I bred my mastiffs,

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when they would start testing you, you'd do the stadown.

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He would never look away from my dad, and he

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never shadow never challenged me, and he never challenged my

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grandfather either. But if my dad, it was like he

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he would sense my Dad coming near, whether my Dad

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was outside and coming into the house, his hackles would

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stand up and he would bristle. Now I don't have

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any photos of this, but as he started getting older,

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he started to develop a slight mane at the back

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of his neck, over his shoulders. His hair was substain

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actually about three inches longer than anywhere else on his body.

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And I'm so thankful that my sister gave me the

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photos that she had, but I wish I still had

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those photos. And I wish I had one of his eyes.

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How vibrant and they were like this super bronze amber

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and the light would reflect off of them, and it

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was just you felt him when he looked at you,

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You felt him looking through you like he was judging.

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He was just oh, he was very intense. But I

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never wan, I never ever felt like he was gonna

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harm me. I knew that when he was with me.

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I knew that lady and I were going to be

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okay when we go on our adventures, because we had

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bears and I was doing everything as a child I

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was told not to do. If there is a road,

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you shouldn't take on that road, buddy, No.

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Speaker 2: I understand. How much do you think he weighed when

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you lost him.

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Speaker 1: When he had passed, or when I was when I

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brought him home when he passed, Oh my gosh, he

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I know. I was probably about one hundred and ten pounds.

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He was easily if he had stood up on his

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two feet, his hind legs. He was way taller than

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I was. And I'm not too sure how much he weighed,

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but I knew he weighed more than I did. As

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he grew before he was taken and he passed, I

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couldn't have picked him up any longer. He was easily.

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I remember one time he gave my grandfather a hug

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and his eyes. My grandfather was five nine and his

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head was above my grandfather's. He had to lower his

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head down and he would fend his head and he

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would touch my grandfather's forehead with his so his muzzle

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was down, so he was he was pretty impressive. We

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knew that he wasn't They said that we didn't have wolves,

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but they also said that, you know, we don't have

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mountain lions, which we have mountain lions and bears here.

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My grandfather just said that it was not a wolf.

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He he knew, he knew something was different about him.

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But like the bond with myself, he went right to

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my grandfather and they would sit out on the porch

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and they'd watch the sun set together, and my grandfather

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would watch for the deer, and as the deer would

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pass up on the hill, shadow would perk up and

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he'd put his ears forward, and my pap would reach

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down and at his head a couple pats and just

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say it's okay, boy. And those there are a couple

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of memories I absolutely just forgotten until now. But it

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was he had different ways of showing his affection, and

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like I said, the one was putting his forehead against

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looking down and touching my grandfather's forehead with his And

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I only ever seen him hug him one time because

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my grandfather was getting up in age and was a

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little frail at that time, But he was always so gentle.

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Speaker 2: You're awfully lucky to have him, you really were. Now

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this next questions more to the listeners than for me.

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But where his ear is more on the top of

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his head or on the sides?

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Speaker 1: Uh? They were higher than they weren't all the way

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up top. It was in between. If I had to say,

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if he had them erect and forward, it seemed like

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they were a little more up top, But if he

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had them pinned, they seemed little further set back. But man,

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those I used to call him jumbo trons because you

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were so big. He would and it always amazed me

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how he would pivot. I you know, I'm around a

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lot of dogs, and their ears they they pivot, they

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go sideways, they do a lot of things. But I

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just remembering his ears just they seem different.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the pictures right now, and a lot

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of things about him are just different. I don't know

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if you ever noticed this before, but I'm looking at

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the photo where he had been shot, and you can

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see if the wounds are almost deeled. Did you notice

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that his head was extra long?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he had a very long muzzle. Right away,

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And you know, we look through nature books all all

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the time. We would watch national geographics, and my instinct

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I thought I was younger, so I thought he was

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just a wolf. Because sometimes we would have my grandfather

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he would say that there was timber wolves, or there

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was Koi dogs where the coyotes or Koi wolves where

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they would mix, and sometimes they were a little bigger.

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But I never encountered those. But shadow his face now

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that I'm able to look back and I'm looking at

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the photo that you're looking at, his structure, his bone

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structure was different. It was larger, it was his muzzle

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was way more pronounced than what a dog should have been.

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My grandfather probably should have had every right to say

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not to keep him, but whatever it was, I believe,

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I sincerely believe my grandfather felt that bond too.

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Speaker 2: You're awful lucky to have such a great granddad. You

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really were. And looking at that one photo were a

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circle the area that was healing. I was looking at

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his gums. Those are different also.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I just realized that when I sent you

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those pictures last night, I said, oh my gosh, his

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gums are blackening. And before somebody says, you know, it

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was a Chowchow or another breeder shepherds. He was not

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a shepherd. That one photo that you're looking at him

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on the couch where he's standing over her, he looks

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like a giant wolf. His body, his rare hawks, his legs.

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There is nothing average canine about him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say, so that's pretty wild. And I know

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there are tons and tons of people I probably better

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address this. I'm sure there are tons of listeners that

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are going to take me to task for not posting

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those photos. But I love doing what I do. If

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I start putting evidence out there for public consumption that's

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above a certain level of quality, that's about the quickest

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way for me to wind up not being able to

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do what I do and probably inviting all sorts of

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other problems to come my way as well, from the

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people in black suits or whatever. But yeah, that's why

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I'm not going to post these photos. So I'm telling

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you about them. Of course, April is going into detail

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about them, but that's not something I'm going to post.

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I know it's going to ruffle some feathers a lot

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of feathers, but that's just how it is, all right.

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Moving on, how long did you have him before your

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dad did what he unfortunately did to him.

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Speaker 1: So my grandparents passed away in ninety eight, and it

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was probably had him for about three years, almost four,

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I would I would say, is it shortly after my

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grandparents died that my dad, you know? And touching back

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on my dad, my dad was he was a horrible person.

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He dabbled in black magic drugs. He claimed to be

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a warlock, and he did some really horrible things. And

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I can't take it back. I can't change it, so

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I just deal with it. I had my grandparents had

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just passed, and I was coming to get my dogs.

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I was going to the house to pick up Lady

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and Shadow, and I seen something laying in the yard

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as I came up the hill and I got closer

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and I thought that that's really weird. What is that?

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It was Shadow. My dad would say that before he

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did this, he would say that he would watch Shadow

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from outside. He would see him when I was sleeping,

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stand up on two legs and walk from the door

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that led into my bedroom from the living room. There.

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Then he would walk to the porch door. I had

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my own private porch, and then the next door was

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on the other side of the room that led into

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my grandmother's room, and he said he would watch Shadow

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at night stand up and walk on two legs. I

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never witnessed that, but I chalked that up to my

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dad just you know, just a bunch of bs. I

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was like, whatever, he's just crazy. He's just saying this

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to rough my feathers or you know, try to scare me.

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But that day I was coming to pick Shadow up.

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Him and Lady I was gonna they were going to

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Florida with me. Shadow was laying. It was right where

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the well is near the Toby the old Toby tree.

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He was laying about ten feet away from it, to

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the right, and I seen something sticking out of him,

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a lot of some things I couldn't. As I got closer,

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I realized my dad had shot him numerous times with

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a gun. Then he shot him. There was so many

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arrows sticking out of him, and he laid there dead,

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and it destroyed me. I had a friend with me

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and I had picked him up. My friend said we

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can put him in a wheelbarrow. I said no. I

475
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took him over to our sleep palth that's where we

476
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,039
always walked, and he just loved it. And it was

477
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:41,599
the old coke ovens on our property. Everything was still

478
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880
green outside too, so it might have been spring or summer.

479
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,039
And he said, well, help you dig I said no.

480
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,799
I ended up burying him where he just loved it

481
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:57,559
over there. But my dad, he took away a lot

482
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:01,279
of things that were mine. Time I'd found kittens, he

483
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:07,240
ran them over. But Shadow hit hard. Shadow hit really hard.

484
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,960
It felt like that day that I lost a piece

485
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,599
of my soul. It was like when my grandfather passed.

486
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:24,559
It hurt so bad, and I just thought, how can

487
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,559
somebody I didn't understand how somebody that's supposed to love

488
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,440
you and protect you could hurt you like that and

489
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,039
take something away another life. Regardless if Shadow was a

490
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:43,480
dog man or whatever he was, he was still living.

491
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480
He was, but he was my best friend, and that

492
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,720
day I regretted it. I didn't grab Lady. I was

493
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:59,400
so upset and I just left he had I thought

494
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,559
my sister taken Lady and she just revealed to me

495
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:12,839
my dad shot her too, and I finding that out it, man,

496
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,559
it just tears me apart because now I feel like

497
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,960
when she told me that, I just I felt like

498
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000
a failure and my grandparents. They got her for me.

499
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:27,160
It was September fifteenth. It was because my I remember

500
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,759
that day because my appendix scruptured and I was at

501
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,640
this point I was vomiting green. Like the doctor said,

502
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,119
I needed to have my appendix out immediately, but I

503
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,480
wasn't going until I got that dog. And when I

504
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,599
was in the hospital for about a week, I come

505
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
home and my grandparents, my grandfather already had her house

506
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:53,359
broken and she was the last I don't want to

507
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,279
say she was not a thing. That was, but the

508
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,079
last thing they got me. She was never a thing.

509
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:07,920
And my dad took her away too. He has since passed.

510
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,320
Like I told you earlier, I didn't attend his funeral.

511
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,840
I have said I forgave him a deep down I

512
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,039
have not, and especially after speaking with my sister and

513
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:22,400
she told me how hate he passed. Man, I regret

514
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:28,199
so much not taking her with me. But there was

515
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:36,039
so many emotions going through me that day, and I

516
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,800
I know it's such a harsh word. There was a

517
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,280
hatred that just formed inside of me for my dad.

518
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:55,320
And oh yeah, I'm sure it's still quite emotional reliving

519
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,320
that day. And it just telling you that just felt

520
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,519
like it was yesterday finding him there, and he when

521
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:08,280
he came out to confront me, I remember him bragging

522
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:13,960
that Shadow wouldn't die, he wouldn't go down. I don't

523
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,840
know why he had to do such an overkill. Why

524
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,159
he did that. He knew that I was coming to

525
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:24,559
get him. It wasn't like, you know, I just abandoned him.

526
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,519
I was sixteen or seventeen by this time. I didn't

527
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:32,320
abandon my dogs, and he knew that. I think he

528
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,400
was just looking for a reason because he never Shadow

529
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:40,840
never liked him, and he could. He knew it. Everybody

530
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,760
knew it. And I believe he was the only person

531
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,199
that Shadow ever bared his canines to snarled. And prior

532
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,440
to that, I had Poucci, which was my border collie.

533
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:56,880
I had him from like age four to like ten.

534
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000
I remember my dad made a gesture when I was

535
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:06,360
on the porch and Pucci went for my dad. Very

536
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,000
The dogs were always very protective of me. You know,

537
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,440
my sister loved them growing up, but they didn't bond

538
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:18,480
with her, and she, you know, she was she definitely

539
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:20,480
loved them. She pet them. She you know, I would

540
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,000
send her out when I was grounded to bring various

541
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,280
animals in the house because I wasn't allowed to bring

542
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,159
them in, so you know, she didn't do anything wrong.

543
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,679
It's just that when something bonded, it seemed like, you know,

544
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:39,000
it was myself and my grandfather that the heavy bonds

545
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,199
were formed. And I would feel things growing up. I

546
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:46,679
would feel what they were going through. I could feel

547
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,760
their fear, I feel the uneasiness. I could feel if

548
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,719
they didn't like something. I was always sensitive to filling

549
00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:00,800
what animals felt, and I believe that, you know, I

550
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,480
honestly think that my very first dog man encounter when

551
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:08,920
I was very young, at the base of at my

552
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,840
mother's place. Of course, I was scared to death because

553
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,639
I was like seven or eight. I was very young.

554
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,719
And when I came up that hill and he was

555
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,440
standing there, he pointed straight to that my mother's apartment,

556
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,800
the townhouse, pointed right to it, and I was petrified.

557
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:33,360
It felt like everything happened in slow motion, and it

558
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,719
was heading straight up the hill into the cemetery, and

559
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,840
then the cemetery you just crossed this little gravel road

560
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,320
and you were into giant cornfields. And I think that

561
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:49,000
I might be wrong. This is just my theory that

562
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:54,199
maybe it, you know, when we we have fear horrmones

563
00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:01,800
and things are released. I think that it, I don't know,

564
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,800
maybe marked me or put a cent on me that

565
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,880
has led me to the other encounters, you know, with shadow.

566
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,440
But I don't know. That's just what I think, you know,

567
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:21,800
And the encounters have happened a few more times besides

568
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,280
raising shadow. Now, you know, I just turned forty three.

569
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,679
There's everything stopped for a very long time, and then

570
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,280
something appeared here at the house. And I'm about ten

571
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,960
miles from where my very first encounter happened, and I'm

572
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,800
about twenty miles from where my grandparents' property resides. So

573
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,840
I'm in this tight little circle of where everything has happened.

574
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,119
But I honestly think, like I said, that from that

575
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,639
very first encounter, I was I don't know, I just

576
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:05,760
think that I was marked that thing. He was so big,

577
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,000
and what was really bizarre about him too, he looked

578
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,519
like more of like a gray wolf or a timber

579
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,840
wolf in his markings. He was very light in color,

580
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,039
but he had a loincloth on leather. I remember that

581
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:27,800
like yesterday. But I had never been so afraid in

582
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,760
my life and our windows like I said before the

583
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,320
windows in the downstairs they were like four foot by

584
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,119
four foot. They were big windows. I was so afraid

585
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:43,559
that thing was gonna come busting through the window. And

586
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,360
that was you know, like I said with Shadow, I

587
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,360
think it just led me to that. And I know

588
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,880
there's people that have nasty encounters. I have not had

589
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,320
a traumatic nasty encounter. I've never been attacked. Not saying

590
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,280
that I won't or wouldn't be. I stay open minded.

591
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:09,360
I you know, to this day, we volunteer at a

592
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:12,559
church camp and there's thousands of acres at this place.

593
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,960
I honestly, and it's just because of what's happened. I

594
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,760
don't feel comfortable going out in those in our woods.

595
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:27,119
I am definitely It's not that I'm playing safe. I

596
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,840
am playing safe. I'm definitely playing safe. I'm staying in

597
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,679
my lane. I know they're out there. I don't wanna.

598
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,199
I don't believe in knocking at the devil's door either,

599
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,360
So when they ask me if I wanna, you know,

600
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,800
volunteer with the kids and take them on the trails,

601
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,320
I don't. I have no desire in going camping. I

602
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,400
love where we live. I love the woods, I love

603
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,360
the scenery. I love the wildlife, but it has raised

604
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,800
my awareness that yes, they are a predator. Yes they

605
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,239
are out there. Yes people are ending up on the

606
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,639
four one one. Yes people they they are attacking people,

607
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:09,119
they are farming people. That Yet there's those of us

608
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,880
that are not having those encounters, whether it be faith,

609
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,719
whether it be where one of them decide to mark us,

610
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,719
if they mark us. But I know that we released

611
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:28,360
that hormone of fear and they can smell that. And

612
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,320
that's just my thoughts. Sorry I started rambling.

613
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,039
Speaker 2: No, you weren't rambling at all, just telling us your

614
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:39,679
feelings and opinions about things. Talking about that werewolf. You

615
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,159
saw those wearing that loincloth in the vest. Did the

616
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,280
loincloth or a vest seem to be torn at all

617
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,559
or did this seem to be in pretty good shape?

618
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, the vest was also, oh gosh, yes, the vest.

619
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,840
He was wearing a vest as well. The loincloth seemed

620
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,719
like it was it was like frayed leather, but it wasn't.

621
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,719
It didn't look like, you know, something took a knife

622
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:08,079
and just gave it some tassels. And it was light tan,

623
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,440
very light tan. So was the vest. It was light

624
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,920
tan as well, and he was he was like a

625
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:21,239
grayish white. But down his back he had like it

626
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,639
would like V his his color. And the V that

627
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,840
went down his back was like there was like traces

628
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,079
of reds and browns in it. But he was dominantly

629
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:37,239
he was. He was whitish gray. And I remember when

630
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,679
he pointed, he used his I was standing to the

631
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,760
left of him, and he used his left hand and

632
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,519
pointed straight at that window. And I had, just like

633
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,159
I said, we were playing Manhunt or Capture the Flag,

634
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,000
and I was hidden. They were doing construction at the

635
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:59,039
townhouse development, and they parked the semi trailers, the uh

636
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,440
the car trailers, and I had squeezed up inside of

637
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,880
where the tires are and I hid there and where

638
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,960
it was positioned. When I came up that hill, it

639
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,440
was directly in front of me in the weeds coming

640
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:17,760
up over the hill. And when I popped up, I

641
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
looked and it was so close to me, and I

642
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:24,679
just pointed and right in front of it to the right.

643
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,480
My friends had their tent up and we were going

644
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:31,280
to camp out that night. I didn't camp out that night.

645
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,880
I didn't do a lot of things. I was in

646
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:41,000
after that happened, I didn't want to play outside, you know,

647
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:45,039
I had Oh that that did it. I was constantly

648
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,239
locking windows, doors, and just by the size of this thing,

649
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,519
if he wanted in, he was coming in. And then

650
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:56,519
we'd built in the woods right there. It was directly

651
00:43:56,599 --> 00:44:00,320
behind where the tent was. We had the woods. Also

652
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,719
we had made this clubhouse, and we thought the older

653
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,400
boys that were like, you know, fifteen or sixteen, we

654
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,800
thought they had destroyed our clubhouse. And from time to time,

655
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:14,760
my friend Rachel, we would be on our bikes and

656
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,840
we'd jump these little hills and we'd peddle through them

657
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,199
because you know, we were young and that was what

658
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,079
we had to do for entertainment. And we would catch

659
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,199
something out of the corner of our eye running behind

660
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,960
the trees, darting, and I always had an uneasy filling.

661
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:35,400
So I quit going in those woods as well. I mean,

662
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,199
there was a lot of things I quit doing. And

663
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,840
then Shadow came along, and then it brings us up

664
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,480
to date with the encounters. Here at the house. There

665
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,360
was a large, lighter colored one and he had to

666
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,840
have been you know, when you walk out of the house,

667
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,000
the trees where he was, we walked over and measured

668
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:02,760
he had to. He was easily even foot tall. This

669
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:07,119
giant black one stepped out next to him, and it

670
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:13,280
was even bigger that one. I the malice, the hatred,

671
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,360
you could just fill it radiating off of him. We

672
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,400
had had a lot of encounters. The coyotes had started

673
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,639
coming in and they were flanking us, they were attacking,

674
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,960
they were going after our little dog. And there was

675
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:35,239
this I don't know if it was a how but

676
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,519
or infra sound, but you could fill it through you

677
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:43,079
and it's had a shockwave through you and you just prose.

678
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,360
It was so deep and so loud. We have not

679
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:54,800
had coyotes on our property since they all left, and

680
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,320
I thought, man, that was when I heard this thing.

681
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,440
Oh my gosh. It scared the heck out of me.

682
00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,280
And you know, I have aries is two hundred pound dog.

683
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,079
He's a very big dog. I fill one hundred percent

684
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:13,000
safe with him. But I'm more protective I think over

685
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:17,719
him than I should be. But when he when we

686
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,639
go outside, if I am constantly, even in our french yard,

687
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,119
I keep him on a leash. He does not ever

688
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,760
go outside without me or with me next to him.

689
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,960
I just knowing what's out there? And yes, you know,

690
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,599
he's still a dog. Dogs can do some unpredictable things.

691
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
I just I keep him near. We had had another encounter.

692
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,199
It was in October. I was walking aries up in

693
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,400
our where I had sent you the picture of all

694
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,360
the deer. All the deer were right there, and that's

695
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:56,840
the section of our property that opens up into the

696
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:03,039
field in the woods. And we had a broken concrete

697
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:07,079
from a project that was stacked right there. And this

698
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,239
it was, like I said, in October, hunting season had

699
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,079
just started, or was getting ready to start. Aris his

700
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,639
hackles went up and he let out a growl, and

701
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,960
I'm like, wait what? And I looked and if I

702
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:26,280
would have taken my hand and reached out, this creature

703
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,039
could have touched my fingertip to fingertip easily. It rose

704
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:37,480
up so slow, so very slowly, and I thought it

705
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:39,719
looked like a gilly suit, but it was distorted. And

706
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,320
I'm like, I yelled, I said, Johnny, because I thought

707
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,519
it was our neighbor. He's always hunting, I said, Johnny,

708
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,519
So what are you doing. You can't hunt here, it's

709
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,239
our property and it's so close to the house. What

710
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,440
are you doing? It didn't say a word. It started

711
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:59,400
crouching back down so slowly, and it was October. The

712
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,880
leaves of or falling and they were crunchy. You could

713
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,159
hear everything. It never made a sound and started to

714
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:13,639
dematerialize like Vanish, and it did vanish. I thought, holy cow,

715
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,920
what did I just see? It looked like a Gillie suit. Well,

716
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,599
I had had Aries out a few days after that,

717
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,400
and you know, our our deer pretty demanding the demand

718
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,079
their apples and so forth. But I had just walked

719
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,800
behind my bedroom outside with Aries, and I looked up

720
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,719
and I've seen there was probably I don't know, seven, eight,

721
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,840
maybe ten deer. They were standing head to butt, head

722
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,480
to butt, had to butt, all of them huddled together.

723
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:47,559
Something what out And it was not a large cat.

724
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:50,880
It was not deer. And you know, I said this before,

725
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:54,440
deer do vocalize. They do scream. It was not one

726
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,639
of their screams they had come up from. It was

727
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:03,079
up in the trees and it screamed. It had scared

728
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,719
me so much I ended up. I peeded myself. Aries

729
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,559
was going ballistic and I was trying to hold him back,

730
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,000
and the deer came. They came like they charged towards

731
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,039
the house. But whatever it was was up in the

732
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:21,639
trees and it wasn't an owl. It was it was

733
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,199
like it was no creature I've ever heard, and it

734
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,800
just let out this this scream. I still do not

735
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,880
know what that was. All of our motion lights last week,

736
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,320
I'd say within the past nine days, every motion because

737
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,320
when things get dark here, it gets dark. We don't

738
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:46,039
have street lights. And all of our motion lights died

739
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:49,400
last week upon the around the time of the marketing

740
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,639
on the house. In my vehicle, every motion light dead,

741
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,679
like they're not working. And that was a little bizarre.

742
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:02,199
It be a coincident, Chess. I don't rule anything out.

743
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,840
I stay open minded, but the fact that nine of

744
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,480
them quit working and one night, that's a little odd.

745
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a little too odd, too ironic.

746
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: Oh. Another thing, the helicopters. They have been so when

747
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:26,920
I had seen that mass pop up at the concrete,

748
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,760
the thing that I thought was a gilly suit, I

749
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,239
had had aries out. It was during the day. A

750
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,280
black helicopter turned like it was going to land in

751
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,639
our yard. I could see that the guys inside of it.

752
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,400
I could see the gun sitting across the one guy's lap,

753
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,480
and I thought, oh my gosh, they were below the

754
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,760
tree line. I thought they were landing right there. And

755
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,760
I threw myself instantly in front of aries because I

756
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,480
thought I thought they were gonna shoot my dog. He

757
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,559
is really big. He has you know, he does have

758
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:02,159
an ear crop. He came with his ears cropped. I

759
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:07,079
didn't do that, but he is, you know, if you

760
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:14,039
didn't know what he was, he's very intimidating. But all

761
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,440
I thought was okay, the dog man. I'm like, oh

762
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,920
my gosh, did they think I that he's a dog man?

763
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:25,199
I didn't know what to think. And about you know,

764
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,599
about this time again, there was something, you know, Like

765
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:32,199
I said, we pulled the blinds down every night, and

766
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,360
for whatever reason, we were watching TV and I didn't

767
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,880
I didn't pull my bedroom blind down. And it was

768
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,960
around two thirty two forty five am, two o'clock. I

769
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,400
woke up with that feeling something was watching me. I

770
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,280
could see two glowing eyes at my window, which the

771
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,079
bedroom windows about nine and a half feet for anybody

772
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,599
to be able to see in where it was, and

773
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,599
it had taken When it realized I was looking, I

774
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,679
elbowed my partner and I'm like somethings looking and just

775
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
as you know, we're focusing and trying to make sense

776
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,679
of what was going on, it took. It was like

777
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,880
it took two steps back and turned into it was

778
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:21,920
like again dematerializing, but turned into a black mist. And

779
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,800
then it was gone. And then we had, like I said,

780
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,280
the urination. I've had things brought to the porch. I've

781
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,000
had rocks stacked up at my door door, deer hoofs

782
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:41,119
made out of and grass, placed dead animals, few dead animals.

783
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:47,199
We found a deer carcass on our property. And when

784
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,199
we find something that's dead, we try to pull it.

785
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,880
We you know, will either load it up on the

786
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,159
quad and take it further out away from the house

787
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:57,559
so we don't have predators coming in our scavengers. And

788
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,639
the deer was ripped in half, just I mean ripped

789
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,360
like something had enough force to rip that thing in half,

790
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:13,039
and it was just lying there. I thought fully, crap.

791
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:19,000
And you know, We've had, like I said, things placed

792
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:23,119
dead on our porch. And the one particular animal I

793
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:28,639
had chucked like over our fence and it flew, it

794
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:31,119
went back a decent amount. You know, I was comfortable

795
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:35,400
with when we came back, it was on the roof

796
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,440
of our house. I mean, this thing was dug dead.

797
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,480
It was not it was it was definitely dead, and

798
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:45,559
the animal was on our roof. The dead animal that

799
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,920
I'd thrown over the fence. Can't explain that could maybe, uh,

800
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,159
you know, birds of prey. I did falconry grow in

801
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,719
growing up, which was that was a lot of fun.

802
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,039
They eat there, they eat what they're going to eat.

803
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,960
So I doubt that it was a bird of prey

804
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:09,440
that swooped down to grab this like stiff, dead animal

805
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,880
to take up on our roof. I doubt, you know,

806
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:15,719
I thought maybe a raccoon. But I'm like, that's a

807
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,719
lot of work. You try to rationalize and try to

808
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,280
think things clear as to how something could have gone

809
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,039
up there. You know, there was there was another time

810
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,719
around this period we heard something. At one point of

811
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,880
our house. You're able to like I could pop up

812
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,679
on the roof and then walk the duration. But then

813
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,280
on the other end of the house, it's like thirteen

814
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,079
feet maybe twenty foot to the it's where our pitches.

815
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,360
So maybe I don't know, you know what, I honestly

816
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,360
don't know, but it's it's extremely high. I would not

817
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,000
want to fall from there. We heard something up on

818
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:54,239
the roof and the dogs and our dogs went balistic,

819
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,880
but you could hear it running the length and it

820
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,480
was heading towards the woods. It was on the roof

821
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,960
of our house. That kind of you know, that chilled

822
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:08,639
us to the core a little bit because it was heavy.

823
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,159
There was no denying. It was like the steps were

824
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:14,360
like and you can hear it. It was like boom,

825
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,480
boom boom. They were deliberate. Oh. It just gave me

826
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:23,960
the channels thinking about that one. So yeah, that's uh,

827
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,280
that's everything up to current I I'm sure I'm leaving

828
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:35,599
out details, but that's that's everything as of you know today,

829
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:37,840
you poor thing.

830
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: At the worst, most people just have to worry about

831
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,679
the sum pump going down or the furnace giving up,

832
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,400
the ghost. But with all the things you have to

833
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,039
deal with on an ongoing basis, it just isn't fair.

834
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,559
It really isn't.

835
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know, like I said, my theory, we're

836
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,119
all programmed to a or you know, I don't feel

837
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:04,800
like anything coming at me is not It's not something

838
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,320
that I'm not prepared for. I'm going to prepare you know,

839
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,480
we we have we do competition shooting, like I said,

840
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,760
and you know, my grandfather he taught me. I am.

841
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,440
I guess I would be self proclaimed because I've never

842
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,039
done it professionally. But I am one heck of a

843
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:25,599
tracker in the woods. And you know, my environment, the

844
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:32,039
situation awareness, it has been en heightened, and it's it's ridiculous,

845
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:36,400
like I can pick up on sounds so far away,

846
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,719
and even you know the tracks, the branches you learn,

847
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,320
I've learned very quickly. You know a deer trail, you

848
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,719
you know okay, well, dear, have been through here. You

849
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,519
know that, you know, like you can spot where the

850
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:53,760
bobcats are and the branch is being broken. So I

851
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:57,159
just I feel like everything that has led me to

852
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:01,880
today is preparing me for something else, something bigger, and

853
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,159
to keep you know, I wasn't wasn't always as open minded.

854
00:57:06,199 --> 00:57:10,320
I just thought that the were wolves was you know,

855
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,000
I thought it was a were wolf then and then

856
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,800
you hear the dog man term. And there was one point,

857
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,360
like I said, I contacted. I was really afraid and

858
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,760
things were happening at my mother's house where the cemetery was.

859
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,400
Things started happening and I had contacted a Catholic church

860
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,239
and the priest told me that there is no such

861
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,119
thing as evil. I was taping Bible verses around my bed.

862
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:42,159
I was petrified as the there it was. I don't

863
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,280
know if it was a I think a hag is

864
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,440
what I've read about. But it was an old woman

865
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:49,559
and her head was faced down and she was floating

866
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,360
on her tiptoes, coming from the direction of the cemetery

867
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,719
where the dog man went through. And it was right

868
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,639
when my grandparents had died. They both passed away months apart.

869
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:02,440
I was completely I was a I was emotionally drained.

870
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,360
I was It was a really bad time. I mean,

871
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,079
the depression said in. I didn't know what to do

872
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:11,480
because they promised they would never leave me and if

873
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:14,079
they that time came, I would be ready. I was

874
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,199
not ready. I was fifteen, and it hit me hard.

875
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,000
That was when like the spiritual attacks started happening, that

876
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,039
that hag thing attacked me, and that, like I said,

877
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,440
I contacted the priest and he said, oh, no, no,

878
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,440
you should probably seek counseling. Oh, like okay, so this

879
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:37,760
is how that's gonna go. And it happened for several

880
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,079
years and I finally got a grip on it. And

881
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:45,079
you know, I haven't had one time in this house.

882
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,079
There was that thing that like dematerialized outside of my

883
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:54,360
bedroom last week. There was the mist that went from

884
00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,000
it came in the bedroom and went down where we

885
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,360
have another gun safe, and we have several guns safe

886
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,440
in our bedroom, and it came in and it was

887
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,480
like it floated straight past the gun safe and went

888
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:11,760
straight towards the window, and it was like I could

889
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,840
feel it, I could see, I physically watched it, and

890
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,960
then it was gone. But the shape of the mist

891
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:22,239
was the same kind of mist that was outside when

892
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,519
those eyes were looking in through the window. As it

893
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:28,719
dematerialized and turned into that mist, that was the same mist.

894
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,719
And we've encountered that mist outside a couple more times.

895
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:36,760
And to describe this mist, oh, I'm sorry, that's one

896
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:42,679
of the dogs. Two our daughters just coming in from work.

897
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:48,119
To describe this mist, it was the size of maybe

898
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:52,159
two polar bears combined. It was huge, and then it

899
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:56,239
was gone. But we we seen it, both of us

900
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,239
at the same time, and nobody knew what to say

901
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:03,880
without thinking we were going crazy. So we've encountered it

902
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,440
a couple of times.

903
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, no one should have to deal

904
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,280
with half as many things as you're dealing with on

905
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:16,719
an ongoing basis there. Unfortunately, from what I understand, there's

906
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840
a certain word that you can say that will send

907
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,840
Aeries running for the house every time. Please tell us

908
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,400
more about that.

909
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh, you just gave me the jewels. This was in Michigan.

910
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,000
I was with him. We were in Upper Michigan and

911
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,840
it was the moon was beautiful, and you know, I

912
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,039
don't contribute you know, things with the full moon, although

913
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:41,039
you know the energy is a lot stronger, like near

914
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:46,480
a waterfall. Well, I had taken aries out and it

915
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:50,760
was so late and in the back of the property.

916
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Our property had a lot of woods. There's just it

917
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,039
was like it was a nature reserve and something had

918
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:03,320
given me the But this I seen these eyes and

919
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,920
it was really tall and had stepped out it. You know,

920
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:08,639
I'll tell you what it turned out to be. But

921
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:15,719
I screamed, were a wolf? Aries never leaves me? Hey?

922
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,559
He took off for a dead sprint and ran into

923
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:22,079
where the basement or my game room was in the basement,

924
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:25,800
and when he had hit that door, the knob must

925
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,440
have been locked. He locked me out of the house.

926
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:33,679
Oh no, yes, so I go through, Like you know that.

927
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:40,239
My house was three, three levels. I had three full kitchens,

928
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,280
like the downstairs. The game room was an entire living quarters.

929
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,719
Then my main living was entire living quarters. Then upstairs

930
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,639
had another living quarters. It just came like that. It's

931
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:56,119
a gorgeous house. Oh I. I'm like, the only way

932
01:01:56,159 --> 01:01:58,639
I can get in now is and I don't know

933
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,760
what's going on, what's out there, And I just know

934
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,920
that Aris left me when I screamed to were Wolf,

935
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,480
I have to go through the downstairs, one of the

936
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:12,599
downstairs bedrooms. And I'm like, oh man, I am just praying.

937
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:16,199
I'm sure some choice words came out of my mouth.

938
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,159
I was so afraid. And then I see Aris come

939
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:23,320
through the bedroom door and he's looking at me and

940
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,920
he just has this most concerned look on his face.

941
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:29,320
It was a dough. It was the biggest dough I

942
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,559
have ever seen in my life. But to this day,

943
01:02:32,719 --> 01:02:35,440
if you say were Wolf he books to the house,

944
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,760
he just he will leave you. He's never been trained

945
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,639
to do that. It is so bizarre.

946
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,239
Speaker 2: Huh, what what's behind that?

947
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,199
Speaker 1: And you know, I laugh about it now but oh

948
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,880
my gosh, I was scared to death.

949
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you were. He who could blame you?

950
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: And you know the places I've lived, you're your only defense.

951
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,480
I've lived so far away from everybody. Oh my gosh,

952
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:09,960
speaking of that, I'll have to send you these photos.

953
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,320
We had a marina off of the reserve in our backyard.

954
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:17,800
I was with Aries. We'd walk all the time. We

955
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,400
had stumbled upon this house and Aries found it. I

956
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,679
was he was off lead, which he has a wonderful recall,

957
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:29,920
and he was walking a little probably about ten feet

958
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,360
in front of me. I was following him, and I

959
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,239
knew we were on a path, but it wasn't it

960
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:40,400
wasn't wore down from people, or I thought so. I thought,

961
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,559
he finds this run down house, like in the middle

962
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:49,199
of this reserve. The windows are broken out. You could

963
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:54,480
see remnants of, you know, run down children's toys. It

964
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,800
was definitely some hills have eyes going on back there.

965
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,360
I grabbed it. I put his lead on. I said

966
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,800
we got to go, and just as I was doing that,

967
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,760
I thought he was he wanted to investigate more. You

968
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,840
had this just the chills everywhere, And I used that term.

969
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,679
I said werewolf. Man, I have never I have not

970
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,760
run that fast since my track days in high school.

971
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:25,320
He looked it. I was running. I lost my flip

972
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:30,480
flop in the woods. And he was probably about fifteen

973
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,079
months old at that time, so he still had so much,

974
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,480
way more energy than I had. But I got I

975
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:40,440
managed to get a picture of this place. I'll send

976
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,880
it to you. Man. It was just I mean, it's

977
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:49,239
like I couldn't like in a movie. It was just there.

978
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:55,079
We didn't go back to that area again. We stayed

979
01:04:55,159 --> 01:05:00,519
and he loves to watch boats, sail boats, and he boats,

980
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,039
so we just stayed on the other side of the

981
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,920
reserve where the marina was, and we'd just sit there,

982
01:05:07,079 --> 01:05:11,280
you know, we'd we'd walk the water line, the shoreline,

983
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,639
and we'd we'd just sit there and watch the boats

984
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:16,519
for a while. After that happened, that kind of like

985
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,840
ended us. It ended our trail days because I didn't

986
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:23,599
want to know what else was out there. I didn't

987
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:25,920
know if it was occupied or what was going on.

988
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,679
But it just gave you that fight or flight you

989
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,960
had to get out of her. That was It's funny

990
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:39,079
now thinking about it, but man, just it's never you know,

991
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:43,960
some people go on adventures. You know, I think I have.

992
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:49,519
It's the Misadventures of April because nothing, nothing goes like

993
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:55,199
you know, nothing just seems normal.

994
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:58,599
Speaker 2: Well, that just makes your life that much more exciting,

995
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,599
that's all it is.

996
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it adds character. I guess that it does.

997
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: Let's bounce back to shadow. I've got another question for

998
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,599
you about him. You said you had him for a

999
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:13,639
long time, for years, And with that in mind, how

1000
01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:15,760
long did you have him before you heard from your

1001
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,920
dad about him standing up and walking on two legs.

1002
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: I didn't find out about that until after he killed him,

1003
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,519
So I did not know about that. I had had him,

1004
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:33,239
you know, probably about the four years because uh, twelve,

1005
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:40,639
let me see sorry, I'm doing my fingermath. Yeah, four years.

1006
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,960
It was right when I was sixteen, had him from

1007
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,320
about the time I was eleven or twelve, and he

1008
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,880
grew he can't, I mean so in those pictures he's

1009
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,840
he was just a poppy. Like I said, he got

1010
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:01,280
considerably bigger he was, and it seemed like he was

1011
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,639
constantly growing. You know, it would didn't You know how

1012
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:07,920
puppies they go through that gangly phase and it almost

1013
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,679
goes in spurts. He just continuously kept growing and maturing

1014
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,960
and getting bigger. So when he passed he was probably

1015
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:20,239
the size he was. He was like I compare him

1016
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,000
to a king shepherd, and he was not. Again, I

1017
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,119
cannot say this enough or stress this. He was not

1018
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:32,519
a shepherd. There was no shepherd in him. And he

1019
01:07:32,679 --> 01:07:36,199
was probably about the size of a king shepherd, entering

1020
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:38,320
almost to the size of a Great Dane, a young

1021
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,599
Great Dane. And his height, and I'm talking about at

1022
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:45,400
his withers, his shoulders, his head was he had he

1023
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,079
had a pretty long neck, which was a little weird too,

1024
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,280
and it was when he would just stand normal, you

1025
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,280
didn't realize how big his neck was. And he was

1026
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,000
so black, so you'd have to really focus on him

1027
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:03,559
because of the how black he was. It like different angles.

1028
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,639
You your mind's like it's it's not registering. But he

1029
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:11,920
had a pretty long neck, a very elongated muzzle, and

1030
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:19,079
there was it was just so incredible to look at

1031
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:23,000
just and when when I went to bed, he would

1032
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,800
he was like a sentinel in bed when I when

1033
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:30,479
I would retire for the night, and he never never ever,

1034
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,039
you know, he's on the couch playing with lady. He

1035
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:36,359
would do that when she was around and they were playing.

1036
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,920
But if I was sitting on the couch, he would

1037
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,960
not sit on the couch with me. He would stay

1038
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,720
on the floor. In my bed lady slept with me,

1039
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,920
he would stay on the floor. It would have been

1040
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,720
really tight if he joined us, but I wouldn't have minded.

1041
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,239
And when he was healing, he uh in our living

1042
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,920
room where the couch was, I would I didn't. There's

1043
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:03,520
many times I'd wake up. I wasn't on the couch.

1044
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,840
I was sleeping on the floor with him because I

1045
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,479
was afraid he wasn't going to make it. But his

1046
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,479
healing seemed a lot quicker also, and to the point where,

1047
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,960
like you said, you know, there's just those two dots

1048
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,479
of that was skin, but his hair completely came in.

1049
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,880
It just stayed as a lump where he was shot.

1050
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,560
Speaker 2: He must have still had lead in him unfortunately.

1051
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, probably, and he ate a lot. We you know,

1052
01:09:36,079 --> 01:09:39,760
my grandfather hunted, so we had freezers of venison, and

1053
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:46,119
his favorite thing to hunt it was my chickens. I

1054
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:50,159
loved my chickens. I mean I had Violet with me

1055
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,439
that day in my backpack. He was my prize rooster.

1056
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,960
Shadow ate Violet, and I remember that day. Oh my gosh,

1057
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,800
I started crying. I'm like, oh, chickens, you had to

1058
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:06,399
eat him, Oh my gosh. And he, like Shadows, sat down.

1059
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,560
He sat right in front of me, and he just

1060
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,840
gave me this look and his expression it's had a

1061
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:17,640
thousand words. You could see like he kind of if remorse,

1062
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:25,239
if they and they animals show remorse. He had a

1063
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:28,039
bit of remorse, but he had like this weird grin,

1064
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:30,800
like he was the best rooster he's ever eaten. He

1065
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,399
had just like this devious grin on his face. And

1066
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,640
then I forgave him. I was crying. I was like,

1067
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,680
but I loved him so much. And then it was

1068
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,920
just how he was looking at me. I remember giving

1069
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:48,479
him a big hug and saying, but that's okay. I'm

1070
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:49,840
so upset.

1071
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,039
Speaker 2: Oh I bet you were. But I guess Shadow was

1072
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,119
just doing what he was born to do.

1073
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: Yes, And now Violet had this. He had a brother.

1074
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:03,039
His name was George. This rooster, once he hit a

1075
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:05,840
certain age, he did what most roosters do, but he

1076
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,479
started attacking me and flogging me. And I remember this

1077
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,640
one day he chased me through the house. He chased

1078
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,199
me around the yard. I mean he was gumming for me.

1079
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,680
I ran in the house screaming, bloody murder my grandfather.

1080
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:22,079
He grabs his gun. He sees what's going on. George

1081
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:24,000
had grabbed me at the corner of my eyelid. I

1082
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:26,520
still have a scar there from it. He was like

1083
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:31,479
spurring me and just he was like, heck ben that

1084
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,039
he was taking me out. My grandfather shot him. I

1085
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:36,760
don't know how many times, but he did die. And

1086
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,840
I looked at shadowed him like, why couldn't you have

1087
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,800
eaten George? It had to be Violet.

1088
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say so, would have been a public service.

1089
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, those are some of you know, it was

1090
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,359
a pretty traumatic day. But looking back, I'm sitting here laughing. Man,

1091
01:11:55,399 --> 01:11:58,439
those are some of the best memories. And they get

1092
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,560
locked and then you remember and you're just like.

1093
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: Wow, it's funny how that works, isn't it.

1094
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,239
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, yes, And you know, Violet, I missed the

1095
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:09,199
school bus. He would follow me to the bus stop.

1096
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,359
I can't tell you how many times. I mean, like

1097
01:12:11,399 --> 01:12:13,960
that rooster was my best friend. I'd take him down.

1098
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:16,760
The chickens weren't allowed in the garden, but he would

1099
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,079
follow me and he'd pack the bugs. Well, I was

1100
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:21,760
pulling the weeds out of my grandfather's garden. See only

1101
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,319
chicken alowed that was in the garden.

1102
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:27,039
Speaker 2: If that's not a domesticated rooster, I don't know what is.

1103
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh. He was just my best friend. And you know

1104
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,800
when I we came upon Shadow again, he was the

1105
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,039
rooster in my backpack and carrying him home. Shadow was

1106
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:40,680
just interested in trying to eat him. Then I should

1107
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,119
have known all the signs were there.

1108
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're just a kid, so you can't be

1109
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,079
faulted for that. I'll tell you what, April. We're about

1110
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:53,600
out of time here. Before we do get out of here, though,

1111
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,159
do you have any clothes and comments you want to

1112
01:12:55,159 --> 01:12:57,520
put out there for us, you know.

1113
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: For anybody that encounters something. Again, I can't say this

1114
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,680
enough that we're told doesn't exist or shouldn't exist, but

1115
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:10,199
we are encountering it. Try to remain palm, you know.

1116
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:13,439
When we release that fear hormone, which I still I know,

1117
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,960
I release it here. We release that and they can

1118
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,720
pick up on that and it triggers. Don't ever run

1119
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,680
tell it, you know. I just feel like you just

1120
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,319
need to communicate granted, I'm sure there's some really bad

1121
01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:31,800
ones out there. I know there has to be. There's

1122
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,119
some really bad people out there as well, and not

1123
01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:38,479
every encounter. I do not believe that we should be

1124
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,039
out there hunting them. The ones that I have been pounded,

1125
01:13:42,079 --> 01:13:45,399
at least, I don't feel like that is that black one.

1126
01:13:46,039 --> 01:13:48,680
Let me take that back. That black one had stepped out.

1127
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,920
That thing was scary. That was that was, oh my

1128
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,000
gosh it. And I don't know, I don't know if

1129
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:00,960
the shorter gray one was called the shots, but they

1130
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,359
were clicking. There was clicking in their throats as well.

1131
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:06,960
They were making the click click click. And we've had

1132
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,600
the tree knocks before, like physically seeing it. I forgot

1133
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,840
all about that. Vic. There was three distinct tree knocks knock, knock, knock,

1134
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,479
and the sounds outside. So you hear people saying about

1135
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,640
the metallic sound. This the sound that we could hear,

1136
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,319
and it went on for several days. It was after

1137
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,359
something struck something metal and it was the gong. It

1138
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:35,279
wasn't like the the initial impact. And that's when I've

1139
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:38,800
seen them. And the only thing I just I want

1140
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:44,079
people to know, be aware of your surrounding don't go

1141
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:47,800
out there thinking you're you know, you're Billy bad butt

1142
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,520
and you're the apex predator out there. We are not.

1143
01:14:52,279 --> 01:14:54,760
We have to share, we have to respect, We have

1144
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,439
to you know, carry bear mace. I keep bear mace

1145
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,520
in my vehicle. I keep mace on me, don't you know.

1146
01:15:05,399 --> 01:15:09,760
Just try to remain calm. Don't ever run because these

1147
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,439
things they're gonna outrun you. There is no and if

1148
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,239
butts or is about that, they will outrun you. Just

1149
01:15:16,279 --> 01:15:20,720
don't present yourself as the prey. Be smart, keep you're

1150
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,520
cool about you walk out, don't continue to look behind

1151
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,079
you like prey does. And let that fear get the

1152
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:31,359
best of you. Talk to it. I believe they can

1153
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:37,279
understand us. They have understanding capability, and they're they're smart,

1154
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:42,600
they're very smart. Let them know that you're not there

1155
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,239
to harm them. You might have stumbled upon a den

1156
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:48,479
area or a hunting area. Let them know that you're

1157
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:51,119
not there to harm them. Unharness that bear spray and

1158
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,359
again keep that bear spray on you and just have

1159
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,800
it ready and tell them you're leaving. That's you know,

1160
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,279
and just be open mind minded because there's a lot

1161
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:04,159
of things out there. We don't know about and we

1162
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:09,399
don't comprehend it. We don't understand, but treating it as

1163
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,439
the threat and destroying it that is not the answer.

1164
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,119
And that's that's the best advice I can give. That's

1165
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,279
how I'm treating it.

1166
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good way to handle it. And I've

1167
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,560
got a sneaking suspicion you're far from being done with

1168
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,159
all these experiences. I hope that you're done, but i'd

1169
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,119
be pretty surprised if you don't have more coming down

1170
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,359
the road sometime. But please remember, if you ever do

1171
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,720
need more help from me, I'll always be there for you.

1172
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:38,199
All I have to do is just let me know

1173
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:42,039
and I'll be there to help. Well, April, Having said that,

1174
01:16:42,079 --> 01:16:43,840
I can't thank you enough for coming on to share

1175
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,960
the details of those experiences for us on episode six

1176
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twenty eight, of course coming back to do this Q

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and A. So thanks Agains so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me, and I'm so happy

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that I could provide those photos of Shadow for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for saying ending him. But having said that,

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thanks against so much for your time and have a

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great night.