WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:05.120 Hello, Welcome back to the No Way Jose podcast. You 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:09.800 are watching the Weekly Wolfson, our weekly talk with Matt Wolfson. 3 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:12.560 It's a little bit of I call him an expert 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:14.160 in ethno politics. 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:16.640 I enjoy our little talks. 6 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:19.120 Today we'll be talking about what I have coined for 7 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:23.039 this episode, the dehumanization of Semites. Feel like I'm being 8 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:26.559 a little slick there kind of goes both ways, enabling 9 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.440 the dehumanization of the victimizers and then also enabling the 10 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:35.159 dehumanization of the victims. 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It proves that the 32 00:01:50.719 --> 00:02:07.439 Branch Davidians were murdered. You can see that this tank 33 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.240 has a gas jet on the front that shoots fire. 34 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:19.280 You can also see the fire quite plainly. The tank 35 00:02:19.360 --> 00:02:21.840 goes into the house twice, and each time as it 36 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:31.120 backs out, the fire at the gas jets is plainly visible. 37 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.680 We must all do more to recognize and look for 38 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:59.520 the early warning signals that deeply troubled young people send. 39 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:05.360 Hello Matt, welcome back to the show. Pleasure to have 40 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:09.120 you here today. The piece we're going to be covering 41 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:14.199 is your most recent and Alma Yadin colonization in print, 42 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:20.080 how Western liberal journalists distort Lebanon and Palestine. Looking forward 43 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.439 to covering this topic. This has been a kind of 44 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.479 a common theme in my coverage, particularly a foreign policy 45 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:33.240 These days, the constant ratcheting effect of the Israel of 46 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.919 Israel and its cohorts essentially. You know, sometimes they may 47 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.479 may try to give the impression that they're dialing back somewhere, 48 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.199 but they're going to up it somewhere else, and sometimes 49 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.400 that plays out when the world of journalism, that's what 50 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.199 enables them to do such a thing. You've had a 51 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.759 little bit of an inside view of this coming from 52 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.400 some of the Zionist media networks. You were, you know, 53 00:03:55.520 --> 00:03:57.520 kind of a tailing around, so you have a little 54 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.800 bit of an inside scoop here. So I'm looking forward 55 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.639 to going over all this with you. So, Matt, what 56 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:07.719 kind of got your head of turning to cover this recently, 57 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.360 because I mean that I do think it's a pretty 58 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.000 oppression theme to touch on in these in these current days. 59 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.560 Thanks SoSE, it's great to be him to be here. 60 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:21.000 As always, it's great to see you. I what really 61 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:24.439 got me was reading a piece that the article actually 62 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.399 opens with by a guy named Charles Glass in a 63 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.920 publication called The London Review of Books, which is a 64 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.319 kind of probably the most left wing of the mainstream 65 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:37.800 publications in Britain. It's an intellectual journalistic publication, and Glass 66 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:42.199 has been a correspondent for fifty years. He's British American. 67 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.319 He was for a period of time chief foreign correspondent 68 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.480 for the Middle East for ABC News. This was in 69 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.000 the eighties and nineties when it was you know, actually 70 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.439 you know, the big three networks were really the big 71 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:56.560 three ABC, CBS and NBC. And so, you know, he's 72 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.800 a veteran, and he he writes for the l occasionally. 73 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.720 And I saw that he had this piece Beroot then 74 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:05.639 and now, and I thought, well, this is going to 75 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:08.759 be very interesting. It's a veteran talking about his experiences, 76 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.639 putting in a perspective. And Glass is in beir Root 77 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.120 right now. He's not writing full time. He's teaching at 78 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.279 the American University there. And I started reading this, and 79 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.279 I kept reading this, and I kept reading this, and 80 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.879 by the end I was just shocked because he didn't 81 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.680 mention a single Lebanese. I mean, this is a veteran correspondent. 82 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.279 This is somebody who shaped the news for a full 83 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:33.079 decade of one of the major you know, American informational channels. 84 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:37.079 He before that was writing for Time. I mean, after that, 85 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:39.360 he's written a number of really well regarded books. He 86 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.199 has decent friends on sort of what used to be 87 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.720 the right wing. I mean PJ. O'Rourke wrote an introduction 88 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.639 to one of his books. I mean, you know, he 89 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.399 he knows people, he's been an influential guy. And he 90 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.519 didn't mention a single Lebanese by name. He talked a 91 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.480 lot about, you know, drinking in Beirut. He talked a 92 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.920 lot about the various correspondents he's known over the years. 93 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.560 He talked a lot about how the Lebanese, in various senses, 94 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.199 the Christians and the Muslims engaged in savagery or else 95 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.120 we're victims who were starving. But I mean, none of 96 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.360 them except Barman at one of the hotels, made it 97 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:22.360 into the piece by name, and that was pretty surprising 98 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.920 to me. And on one hand, I mean this piece, 99 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.519 he wasn't reporting on the war. He was reporting on 100 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.079 his experiences for fifty years in Beru as a correspondent 101 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.800 and now someone who lives there. But what struck me 102 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.399 so much about it it is at a kind of 103 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:44.720 higher register he was articulating, and by that I mean 104 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.560 more explicitly because he was writing casually. He was articulating 105 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:50.720 a lot of the assumptions that I see when I 106 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:52.839 read the New York Times, the New Yorker, and the 107 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.800 Washington Post, you know, and listen to CNND to the 108 00:06:55.839 --> 00:07:00.519 extent I do, and those assumptions are very much that. 109 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:06.639 You know, Lebanon, Palestine, Sudan, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, 110 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.959 you know, all of these places are essentially, though they 111 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.439 don't use this word, hell holes where a bunch of 112 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.279 different groups are fighting each other, you know, in a couple, 113 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.160 you know, when the Israel is generally doing not very 114 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:23.639 smart things. But overall, no effort is made in these 115 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.800 pieces to give what I take to be a clear 116 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.079 read of the situation, which is that for forty years 117 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.879 Israel has been primarily responsible and now with players like 118 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:37.839 the UAE and the United States for destabilizing these places, 119 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.959 and that a lot of the resistance that's sprung up, 120 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:45.959 you know, has blahamas, you know, various groups in the 121 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.879 Civil Wars and the Democratic Republic of the Congo and 122 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.199 Sudan have done this in response. Now, you don't have 123 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.879 to agree with these groups. I mean, there are Quakers 124 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.959 who are completely against Israel, who think violence is wrong 125 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.240 in every circumstance. I have every respect for them, but 126 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.040 you do need to be able to make a judgment, 127 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.720 and most American readers aren't able to do that simply 128 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.560 because of the distortions and these pieces. And the distortion 129 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:16.160 isn't just that they don't talk about, you know, the 130 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:20.759 obvious and I think pretty much factually obvious bad actor here, 131 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.800 which is Israel and Israel's networks in the West, and 132 00:08:23.959 --> 00:08:27.800 Israel's allies like the UAE. It's also that they make 133 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:34.360 really no attempt to morally or factually distinguish between groups. 134 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:37.360 I mean, there's the Christian militias in Lebanon and the 135 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.440 and the Schiai militias and Lebanon, and there's the Sunnis 136 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:44.159 in Palestine, and then there's Amas and Fatah, and you know, 137 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:46.799 they're all just there and it's this hell hole and 138 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.759 it's savagery, and it's one group of savages against the other. 139 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:56.039 And you know, to me, that's very troubling because it's not, 140 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.279 for lack of a better wording, afterpeological, nobody in America 141 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:03.080 is getting to hear the actual perspectives unmediated of these 142 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:05.679 different groups. On the ground. It just looks like a 143 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:10.559 hell hole with no context and no actual testimonies in 144 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:16.600 any real, non highly curated way that matches this basic view. Well, 145 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:21.080 there's disorder, and it's terrible and their savagery, you know. 146 00:09:21.159 --> 00:09:23.720 And what it alides is the fact that the United 147 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.799 States is behind a lot of this via Israel. And 148 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.559 one of the reasons it allies it is that most 149 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.000 of the networks that these people work for and have 150 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.519 for eighty years. I mean Glass started in the seventies, 151 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:43.399 but I mean he was one of a succession of 152 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:46.360 journalists who've done this kind of thing since at least 153 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.000 the forties. One of the reasons they don't do this 154 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:52.480 is because all of their bosses, all of their editors, 155 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.000 all of the people their editors talk to in government 156 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:58.039 and have dinner with, all of them are in some 157 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:02.759 ways committed to American you know, a more beneficent version 158 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:07.240 via you know, USAID or a more hardline version via bombing, 159 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:10.840 but either way, they're committed to American empire. And in 160 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:14.679 the last forty years, a lot of those editors are Zionists, 161 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:17.039 so they're very very A lot of those editors and 162 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.799 politicians those editors talk to, and owners I mean not 163 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.960 just Larry Ellison, a lot of people for a long 164 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:28.559 time are Zionists, you know, and so there's a reason 165 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:31.720 we're not getting the reality on the ground, because these 166 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:36.240 correspondents are shaping, knowingly or not their reports in a 167 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.720 way that will be palatable to their editors and get published. 168 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:45.320 You know. The other reason that I reading this piece 169 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.399 and then sort of connecting it to what I was reading, 170 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:52.240 really motivated me to write this piece is that I 171 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:55.919 have some, you know, as you said, firsthand experience with this. 172 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.240 You know, I lived for almost a decade in New 173 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.559 York before twenty twenty one. I lived there for eight years, 174 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:06.080 and I worked with Jewish Zionists, but I also knew 175 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.360 a lot of people sort of separately from that, just 176 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:10.840 as someone who went to different events and met people, 177 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:12.679 and you know, it was a writer in my own 178 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:15.159 name for a period. You know, I knew a lot 179 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.720 of journalists. I knew a lot of people who worked 180 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:19.720 for the New Yorker and the Economists and the New 181 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:24.279 York Times, some of them fairly well. And you know, 182 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.960 you talk about your time in the military sometimes and 183 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:31.960 you know, watching certain people play to the higher ups 184 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.320 and choosing not to do that, And in a way 185 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:37.960 I had a similar experience by the end of my 186 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.480 time in New York, I realized that the sacrifices these 187 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.519 people were making about being truthful or in my view, 188 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:49.480 truthful about what was going on were far too great 189 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.399 for me to want to follow their lead. I mean, 190 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.320 many of the people I knew were slightly older or 191 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.480 older than me, liked me, a lot would to help me, 192 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.279 and you know, to their credit in some cases we're 193 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:06.320 trying to but the limits they put on themselves to 194 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.360 appeal to the people who were in power, the editors, 195 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:14.559 the owners of these publications, the funders were just not 196 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.279 constraints I was willing to live under. And so when 197 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.720 I was connecting all of this, I was also thinking 198 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.120 of individual people and thinking of examples from my own 199 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.919 life that i'd sort of seen then and that it 200 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:28.919 made more sense to me after that. A lot of 201 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.320 people who I initially thought were truly objective journalists were 202 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:37.320 not objective journalists. They were shaping stories in a way 203 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.840 that would maximally help their careers, which again is dependent 204 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:43.759 on the editors, the funders of the magazines and newspapers, 205 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.919 and the sources and government that those people talk to 206 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:50.279 and have dinner with. So this was sort of a 207 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.240 fun piece for me, and that it was kind of 208 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.840 personal to sort of delve into a lot of the 209 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:58.399 distortions were seeing every day right now. 210 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.399 Yeah, One thing I did find it interesting is kind 211 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:05.120 of you lay out in this piece kind of the 212 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.480 the academic history of all this, and you seem to 213 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:14.000 frame it almost as the sentiments around this topic when 214 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:18.720 it comes to how people treat the Lebanese, the Palestinians 215 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.480 in that area is it's almost a I guess one 216 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.639 could say, almost like a centrism of sorts. And in 217 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.159 the sense when you hear establishment types say they're a centrist, 218 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.440 it just means, you know, kind of the in between state, 219 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:35.639 you know, essentially deferring to the status glow. We call 220 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.000 it balance, but really all that means is it's somewhere 221 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:42.039 smack dab in the middle of the overton window, and 222 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.519 you know the window has usually been shifted one way 223 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.879 or the other. So if if you don't mind, I 224 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:49.960 just kind of like to get your thoughts on where 225 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.480 that kind of originated from. That that this sentimentality, this 226 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:59.759 deferring with this almost faux faue appeal to objectivity, as 227 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.960 if this is like if you're one saying things along 228 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:04.840 the lines of, like, I don't know, maybe. 229 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.159 Let's have a little bit more of a. 230 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:10.559 Instead of saying HESBLA is filthy terrorists, perhaps we could 231 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:12.159 look at it in a more constructive way. 232 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:13.159 Uh. 233 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.879 And it's no, that's the extreme position. Uh, these are 234 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.039 filthy terrorists. So I don't know where where do you 235 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.679 think this? Uh, this this came from? I mean, is 236 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.960 this just a kind of a moving of the guard 237 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.480 into certain areas and media or is this a I mean, 238 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:33.399 there might even be a larger, larger, you know, discussion 239 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.840 to be had because this kind of is a not 240 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:40.480 specifically the Zionist thing, but this a general establishment deferment 241 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:42.799 is just kind of common in a lot of a 242 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:47.480 lot of places, especially jobs that are infiltrated by the 243 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:49.480 establishment to some degree or an other. 244 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:50.759 So, like you mentioned me. 245 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.120 Being military saying that this is kind of somewhat you know, 246 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:56.039 when you're with people. I mean, yeah, some people may 247 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:59.279 question it, but generally speaking, people kind of fall into 248 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:01.799 the status qui, which I mean, that's what a status 249 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:02.240 quo is. 250 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:03.120 So that makes sense. 251 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.679 But I guess you would think you would almost want 252 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.639 to ask for something more. I mean, maybe it's more 253 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:09.360 significant of a point to be made when we were 254 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.879 speaking of journalism, when this is you know, essentially held 255 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:17.039 a high as the profession of truth sayers speaking truth 256 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.960 to power. Yet if anything, they're probably some of the 257 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.120 worst culprits when it comes to deferring to the establishment. 258 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:26.399 Well that's it. I mean, first of all, I wish 259 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:28.720 I got I hope everybody reads my pieces like you 260 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.720 read my pieces. It would be too much to ask 261 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:34.480 because you right there, to really hone in on the 262 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:40.320 essence of what I'm saying, which is journalists who act objective, 263 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:46.279 who work for the major publications, are professionally and socially 264 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:51.039 connected to empire. I mean they go to the same meals, 265 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:55.320 they use as sources. You know, they are owned by 266 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.200 the same people who know and depend on all of 267 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:00.519 the people in Washington, d c. And this has been 268 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:02.840 the case since you know, nineteen forty five, at least 269 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.399 actually the late thirties, and I mean a lot of 270 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.679 journalists as Washington became more central and World War two 271 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:13.240 and the Cold War moved to Washington. They you know, 272 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.600 the Chicago Tribune, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, 273 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.879 the Washington Post, and they came from the la times. 274 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.279 They came from different places. I mean, the Chicago Tribune 275 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:27.679 at the time was very isolationist, but all of their 276 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:34.360 writers and editors were very deferential to the CIA, to 277 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:38.639 Alan and John Foster Dolls, the Secretary of State, to Eisenhower, 278 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:42.000 to Kennedy, not reporting everything that they knew about stuff 279 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:45.000 like the Bay of Pigs, not supporting everything they knew 280 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:49.879 about our involvements abroad in different ways. And they were 281 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.799 doing this because, you know, they'd have off the record 282 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.759 conversations with people, and those people would say, well, we're 283 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.360 telling you this, but if you tell this to the public, 284 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.360 you will hurt our national security and give the communists 285 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:07.319 more grist, etc. And so and then more and more. 286 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.279 They were doing this because the people who own them, 287 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.759 you know, were originally sort of wasps who were well connected, 288 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.559 you know, Northeastern Protestants who were well connected, and then 289 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.920 Zionists who are well connected, you know, And so if 290 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.559 they would have reported on anything, and some of them tried, 291 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.440 you know, they would be fired or backbenched or or 292 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.839 you know, their stories would be relegated to the back pages. 293 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.880 They wouldn't have you know, advancement. I mean, during the 294 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.079 Iraq war. Somebody who's who was in the lead up, 295 00:17:38.119 --> 00:17:41.440 somebody who's writing very critical pieces for the New York Times, 296 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.960 which is owned by the Salzburgers, who were formerly non 297 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.880 Zionist and now are much more Zionist. But somebody who 298 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.799 was writing very critical pieces. He was essentially backbenched. I 299 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.160 mean all of his pieces saying you know, they might 300 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.240 not have WMD were put on the back pages. And 301 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.720 he later said, and I thought this was a stunning comment. 302 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.440 It's like any corporate culture. You know, what you're expected 303 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.000 to write and not to write. They don't even need 304 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:10.039 to have to tell you. And I was writing what 305 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.920 they didn't want me to write. And that's been the 306 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.839 case for a long time. And what they don't want 307 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.839 you to write is anything that goes against what's essentially 308 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:25.319 a colonialist angle on things. And by colonialist angle, I 309 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:30.880 mean since the British Empire in the eighteenth century, you know, 310 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:35.240 and their major newspapers were calling Americans who wanted to revolt. 311 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.640 I mean they would say, where some of the earth 312 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.599 were lower than low, we're not the same breed as 313 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:45.400 the Englishman. Anybody who opposes what the empire wants, what 314 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.960 concentrated capital and administration in the military once is deemed 315 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.640 by the press and by politicians some version of savages. 316 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.920 I mean, whether they're the people storming the capital, some 317 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.960 of them on January sixth, which I reported on a 318 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.920 year ago, and a lot of the language that they 319 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.119 use about the major establishment newspapers use about those people 320 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.000 is similar in type to what they use about people 321 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:15.359 in Lebanon, you know, and in Palestine. There's this notion 322 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:21.519 of well, either their savagery is completely First of all, 323 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.839 they're savage, they're out of control, and they're irrational. And 324 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.519 even if they're not irrational, and they have some right 325 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:31.079 to be angry because of what they've done, they're so 326 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.079 angry that if we let them do anything, they will 327 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:38.599 kill us because their anger has turned them into barbarians. Well, 328 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:40.799 I mean, if you look at the stuff we're doing, 329 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:44.720 or rather Israel is doing. I mean, I won't give 330 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:46.960 examples because I think your readers are well aware and 331 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.359 they can your listeners and they can read any of 332 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:53.640 my things, but on it. But they're doing they are 333 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:57.920 doing barbarism at the hands of modern technology that outstrips, 334 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:00.960 in my view, anything we're so. On the other end, 335 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.000 I mean, so that's first of all. But secondly, if 336 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:07.279 all you're doing is saying, oh, these other people are savages, 337 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:11.480 then you're not actually explaining what's going on. I mean, 338 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.839 I don't think. I mean there may be listeners or 339 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:19.079 viewers or readers who disagree with my read of hesblon Hamas, 340 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.119 which is essentially that they're defending I mean, you can 341 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.039 agree or disagree with them, but they're defending sovereignty. I mean, 342 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:30.920 they're defending the sovereignty of Lebanon and Palestine because they're leaders, 343 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:35.160 the alternative leaders of the Lebanese government. You know, the 344 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:40.720 Palestinian authority has been bought off by Israel and Washington 345 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.319 operators in many cases very obviously so. And a lot 346 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:47.880 of honest journalists, I mean leilahtomb who used to work 347 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:51.000 for Newsweek in dow Jones and now is in Lebanon. 348 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:55.119 She's Lebanese. Know they'll talk about this very very clearly, 349 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.559 and they'll give you the facts. But you don't have 350 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:01.880 to agree with what Hesblone Commas are doing. And some Lebanese, 351 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.079 you know, have mixed feelings. But what most Lebanese do 352 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.680 think that I read and I think many Lebanese think 353 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.839 this is that they're in Palestinians. Is that whether you 354 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.480 agree with specific actions or not, these people are filling 355 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:20.079 a vacuum where nobody is actually standing up for the 356 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.359 Lebanese people. Because in the Palestinian people, because of what 357 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.720 Israel is doing and what Washington is doing, and whether 358 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:30.880 or not you agree with what they're doing, Americans need 359 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.640 to have that perspective in front of us to make 360 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:37.319 an honest assessment. I mean, if somebody says, at the 361 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:40.480 end of all this, oh, these are terrorists, gum, I'm 362 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:43.519 going to disagree with them, but at least they saw 363 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:48.319 the full story. We're not getting the full story, you know. 364 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:53.799 And it's because these networks are committed to the basic 365 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.960 view of empire, which, as you say, I mean the 366 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:01.000 extreme people you know on the freepest press or CBS. Now, 367 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.279 these are savage terrorists. The moderate people in the New 368 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:09.279 York Times, in the New Yorker, well, hurt people, hurt people. 369 00:22:09.359 --> 00:22:12.680 In the great phrase, they do savage things because they 370 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:16.880 were acted savagely upon. But in the end they are savages, 371 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:20.599 you know, when in reality, I mean, whatever you think 372 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:27.200 of Yah Sineoar or Nazraala, the former heads before they 373 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.039 were killed by Israel of Hamas and Hesbla. They were 374 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.839 very rational. I mean, the things they were doing were rational. 375 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:37.880 Most Palestinians, I mean David Remnick, the Jewish Zionist editor 376 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:39.599 of The New Yorker, who I talk about in the 377 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.640 piece he went to interview Palestinians, and the Palestinians he 378 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:47.000 talked to in Washington d C I mean former Palestinian 379 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.799 authority advisors. You know, the Palatine authority was heavily you know, 380 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.400 connected to Israel. They all said what Remnick thought, which 381 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.039 you know, Yaha Sinwaar is a Barbarian, He's a savage. 382 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.039 He exposed his people to these bombings. He should never 383 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:03.359 have done this. He doesn't care about them. Why would 384 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.599 you attack Israel? Noah was knowing what was coming. But 385 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:10.799 even Remnick was forced to admit in the peace and 386 00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:13.400 then he sort of offset it by saying, basically, while 387 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:15.440 these people are really angry, so you don't have to 388 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.119 listen to what they say. But even Remnick admitted in 389 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.519 the piece, most Palestinians I talked to, whether they like 390 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:25.200 cinemoare or not, thought that the October seventh attacks put 391 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.440 the Palestinian cause back on the table and that they 392 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:32.640 were worth it. Now, that's the kind of perspective Americans 393 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.640 aren't hearing what we're hearing from our government, whether it's 394 00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.359 you know, the Democrats or the Republicans, whether it's Chuck 395 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:44.160 Schumer and Alyssa Slopkin or Pete Hegzeth and Donald Trump. 396 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:51.160 You're hearing terrorists, terrorists, barbarian, lack of tolerance, savage religious fundamentalist, 397 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.119 you know. And that is a failure of establishment media. 398 00:23:55.200 --> 00:24:00.759 And it's a failure of establishment media that's been going 399 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.039 on for eighty years. I mean, I'm writing this last 400 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.519 thing I'll say, but I'm writing another piece right now 401 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.960