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<v Speaker 1>It is an honor as always to share the microphone

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<v Speaker 1>with kfi is tech guy Rich Dimiro. You hear him

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<v Speaker 1>live rich on tech is every Saturday eleven am and

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<v Speaker 1>then on KTL. I can follow him on his Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>at rich on Tech, rich on Tech website, rich on

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<v Speaker 1>Tech dot TV, Rich Goold talk to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>They're my friend. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, good morning too, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, before we dive into some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>affects like our computers and our cell phones and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that, can you help me understand this signal app

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<v Speaker 1>that is in the news today, because this is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that the Secretary of Defense and the National securit

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<v Speaker 1>Advice and the Vice President accidentally added a discredited and

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<v Speaker 1>terrible journalist who pushes hoax poaxes, so called journalists, they

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<v Speaker 1>called him, and yet they somehow accidentally added him to

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<v Speaker 1>their private chat about classified information.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that happen?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I have lots of thoughts on this now. Number one,

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<v Speaker 4>how does it happen? I mean we all know how

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<v Speaker 4>this happens. I mean, how many times have you replied

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<v Speaker 4>to a text in the wrong text? I mean I've

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<v Speaker 4>done it a million times? How many times have you

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<v Speaker 4>written an email to someone included them on the wrong

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<v Speaker 4>You know you included someone by accident because you know

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<v Speaker 4>you get that autocomplete. So I understand how this all happened.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the bigger issue here is why are governments

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<v Speaker 4>using this messaging app if they're not supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>But again I understand that as well, because how many

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<v Speaker 4>times does your company tell you to use a certain

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<v Speaker 4>app to do something? Most of the time, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>in a corporate environment, it's something they have said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we pay for teams, we pay for Google Workspace, we

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<v Speaker 4>want you to text through this, and people use their

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<v Speaker 4>own preferred personal apps. And that's really what happens here

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<v Speaker 4>on a much bigger level. So and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with any of those things. I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 4>that this is kind of like, we're human and we

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<v Speaker 4>understand why these things happen, but these stakes.

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<v Speaker 3>Are bigger here obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's a great point, Rachel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's an issue of stakes, and you really

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<v Speaker 1>humanized it because I, for one, do exactly what you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. I love to use Google Docs. It's super simple.

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<v Speaker 1>I use Google Docs at work. My company wants me

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<v Speaker 1>to use the Microsoft three sixty five workspace or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that is, right, and I don't like doing that because

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<v Speaker 1>the Google Docs is super simple for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get that. But the stakes are a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot lower.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody hacks into into my show notes, they might

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<v Speaker 1>see that I plan on talking about meta with Garyan

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon today at eight p fifty. They probably don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to military attacks, there are stakes no

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<v Speaker 1>higher than that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, agreed, And now here's the deal. They were using

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<v Speaker 4>an app that if you're going to use an app

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<v Speaker 4>that is for secure messaging, Signal is the most secure

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<v Speaker 4>app out there. It has been known to be the

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<v Speaker 4>most secure messaging app in the world pretty much for

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<v Speaker 4>the average person that can download. It is open source,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, people can check on this app to

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<v Speaker 4>see kind of the code behind it, and that's.

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<v Speaker 3>What keeps it really secure.

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<v Speaker 4>You can only install it on one device at a time,

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<v Speaker 4>so you you know, this is the reason why I

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<v Speaker 4>never really used it, because you know the fact is

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<v Speaker 4>with these encrypted apps not there is almost no messaging

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<v Speaker 4>app out there that is end to end encrypted by default.

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<v Speaker 4>There are only two that I know of, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is Signal and WhatsApp. WhatsApp has a lot of security

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<v Speaker 4>implications because it's owned by Meta, and so even though

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<v Speaker 4>they are securing that app and to end with encryption,

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<v Speaker 4>they are collecting a whole bunch of other data on

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<v Speaker 4>you while you're using that app. Signal does not do that.

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<v Speaker 4>And so if they had to pick an app to share,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, trade secrets, this is probably the app to

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<v Speaker 4>do it with. Should they be doing that, Probably not,

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<v Speaker 4>no matter what, And You're right, the stakes are much higher.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm explaining, like you know, how this happens on

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<v Speaker 4>a human basis. We gravitate towards the things that we

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<v Speaker 4>know and like and are easier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand that, but also I think this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich are you You talked about how easy it is

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<v Speaker 1>to respond to an email that's wrong, or to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to to respond to a text message to the wrong person.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how many times I've told my

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<v Speaker 1>buddies in a group chat because I'm you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about fantasy football. My wife is telling me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pick up milk, and I accidentally tell nine of my

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<v Speaker 1>best guy friends love you where something sexy tonight? It

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<v Speaker 1>is awkward? Wow, And yeah, it's great, it's it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>And then oftentime relationship, well, the worst part is is

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<v Speaker 1>that my wife oftentimes will then realize that I'm doing

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<v Speaker 1>something wrong. She'll start giving me fantasy football advice. I've

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<v Speaker 1>lost more leagues that way. So, but when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to a group text, if I'm trying to add someone

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<v Speaker 1>to my group chat, I've never used signal, And so

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<v Speaker 1>this is why I'm I'm asking you, I've never used it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really simple to just simply reply to the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong one? For instance, when I reply, when I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm replying to my wife, but I'm accidentally telling my

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<v Speaker 1>group of fantasy football friends I love you, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>bring her in that chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Adding somebody to that channel means creating a new.

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<v Speaker 4>Chat, right, And I don't know the right And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know the logistics of what happened here, how this

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<v Speaker 4>person got added, But I'm guessing that they thought they added.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone else to the group text. Yea, and it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Someone you know whoever created this group text. This this

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<v Speaker 4>journalist from the Atlantic, was in their address book, right,

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<v Speaker 4>so they must have been communicating with them in some

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<v Speaker 4>way or shape or form. They typed in a few

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<v Speaker 4>letters thinking it was someone else, it auto completed to

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<v Speaker 4>this person and boom they were added. So that's probably

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<v Speaker 4>the best explanation for that. I don't think there's a

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<v Speaker 4>world where they put this person on the group chat

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<v Speaker 4>in a secretive way to get them kind of to

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<v Speaker 4>see what's happening, because that it just doesn't make sense

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<v Speaker 4>with what they were discussing, right, This was a very

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<v Speaker 4>inside baseball group of people. I mean, you're talking the

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<v Speaker 4>highest level of our government here on this group chat.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the part that I don't think they just

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<v Speaker 4>responded and brought him in. I think that it was

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<v Speaker 4>a group chat that was created or added to later.

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<v Speaker 3>And this person was put in mistakenly.

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<v Speaker 1>KFCE tech guy Rich Demiro It is Rich on Tech

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<v Speaker 1>before we check with Amy King at a quick news

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<v Speaker 1>update here speaking of data security, what's going on with

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<v Speaker 1>the Google It sounds like they accidentally deleted a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of my stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, this is a feature. It's not like Gmail.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not photos so the big ones that people rely

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<v Speaker 4>on or Google Drive like you mentioned earlier. But this

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<v Speaker 4>is a feature called maps Timeline, which you might not

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<v Speaker 4>even be familiar with. I was because I really enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's basically a feature inside Maps that keeps track of

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<v Speaker 4>all the places you visit around the world. So I

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<v Speaker 4>had this nice list of like three hundred locations that

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<v Speaker 4>I had been to from day one when I got

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<v Speaker 4>my Android phone to now or my iPhone, it works

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<v Speaker 4>on both. But apparently there was a technical issue a glitch,

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<v Speaker 4>and this information got deleted and so if you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have it backed up, which you probably didn't, it's gone forever.

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<v Speaker 4>And the whole thing is that Google took this information

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<v Speaker 4>it used to be saved by by default. They took

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<v Speaker 4>it off of people's clouds to put it on their phone,

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<v Speaker 4>so that was more private, and of course that's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it turned out to be bad because now there's no

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<v Speaker 4>backup of it anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>So and there's anyway they.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't consider redundancy when they're doing those doing those switchovers.

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<v Speaker 2>That feels like it feels like a kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>boneheaded error.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's interesting because they said last year, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 4>moving this to your phone for your privacy.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you didn't specifically.

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<v Speaker 4>Back it up and tell us to back it up

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<v Speaker 4>in your cloud, we're not having We're not keeping that

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<v Speaker 4>information anymore. So I think that's what happened is people

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<v Speaker 4>like me who are still kind of in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>and still had it on their cloud. Yeah, somehow it

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<v Speaker 4>got deleted and now it's gone forever.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you don't even remember that you went to Botswana.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I can't remember my time in China Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what China? Why did you to forget that? That's

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<v Speaker 1>what all those shots were.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I couldn't even use Twitter when I

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<v Speaker 4>was there, so it was not fun anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich the California Attorney General is the only attorney general

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<v Speaker 1>that is warning people about their data with twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and me. How concerned should I be that twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and Me might misplace my spit?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let's put it this way.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty three and Me always one of the top sellers

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<v Speaker 4>on Amazon's Prime Day every year, like these little test

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<v Speaker 4>kits are, I mean, they sell tons of them, So

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's a lot of people that have their

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<v Speaker 4>information in these databases. The concern here is that twenty

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<v Speaker 4>three and Me has filed for bankruptcy protection, and that

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<v Speaker 4>means there could be another company or group or organization

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<v Speaker 4>that takes control of all of their information and we

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, even though twenty three and me in the

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<v Speaker 4>past has kind of said, look, we have pretty strict

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<v Speaker 4>rules when it comes to how we protect your data.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know if the next company will come along

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<v Speaker 4>and play the same way. So the ag here in

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<v Speaker 4>California says, you know what, you should go and delete

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<v Speaker 4>your genetic data immediately, And so this has been going around.

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<v Speaker 4>I posted the instructions on my Instagram, but basically going

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<v Speaker 4>on their website, which was very slow yesterday, because I

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<v Speaker 4>guess many many people are doing this. But should you

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<v Speaker 4>be concerned, I'd say that we it's unknown at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>but if you feel better having this information deleted, go

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<v Speaker 4>ahead and download it and get it out of.

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<v Speaker 1>There, all right, So maybe a better safe than sorry

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<v Speaker 1>situation on the jet.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing has changed just yet, but we just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's reasonable. Then, Rich you mentioned earlier somebod

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<v Speaker 1>about your Android phone. Then you mentioned your iPhone. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing as the tech guy who I incidentally I'm a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me just fanboy out for a moment. I

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<v Speaker 1>also know that you have some incarnation of everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>out there. You've got Samsung Galaxy threes all the way

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<v Speaker 1>up to Galaxy one hundred and twenty two's that people

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<v Speaker 1>won't see for another thirty years. You've got all of those,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you've also got every iPhone from the first

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone proto type all the way. People don't know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but Rich actually has the iPhone twenty one and that.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll tell people that I'm under NDA.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, my bad, So Rich, You've got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of everything there. What what's the ladies here with Samsung?

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<v Speaker 1>I know they're they're looking at a at a software

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<v Speaker 1>update and I just had to update my iPhone as

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<v Speaker 1>well because of the AI stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I'm sure you're using a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just kidding because most people aren't on the iPhone.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I do love the corners that Siri

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<v Speaker 4>glows with now, I mean, that's pretty cool. My little

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<v Speaker 4>trick on my little trick on the iPhone with the

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<v Speaker 4>with the Siri improvements is that Serie is pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 4>I use her only to send a text. But if

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<v Speaker 4>you say, basically, if you preface all of your requests

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<v Speaker 4>now with ask chat GYBT, it's so much better because

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<v Speaker 4>it'll just skip the middle man and just go right

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<v Speaker 4>to chat GYBT. But Samsung, so they they were early

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<v Speaker 4>on this whole AI stuff. They were they were first

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<v Speaker 4>out of the gate with the with their AI on their.

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<v Speaker 3>Phone in a big way.

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<v Speaker 4>And they have been updating their recent phones with this situation.

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<v Speaker 4>But the basically the new update that they have is

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<v Speaker 4>one UI seven and they said that finally on April seventh,

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<v Speaker 4>that will be rolling out to the previous models, starting

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<v Speaker 4>with the S twenty four series, the Galaxy Fold six

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<v Speaker 4>and the Flip six. So if you have one of

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<v Speaker 4>these older models, you will be getting the new one

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<v Speaker 4>UI seven on April or starting from April seventh. And Chris,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're not familiar with the way Samsung works versus iPhone,

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<v Speaker 4>iPhone pretty much puts everything out on the same day

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<v Speaker 4>for everyone, like all the supported models, but a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the other manufacturers they sort of roll out the

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<v Speaker 4>software updates and it's kind of frustrating because it takes

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more time for it to reach the older models.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so you might not know when you're getting the

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<v Speaker 2>update then.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like they come out with all these new and

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think some of it is a sales tactic

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, what does Samsung wants you to do?

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<v Speaker 4>They want you to buy the new phone, and so

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<v Speaker 4>I think that that's where they make their money, whereas

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Google not so much and iPhone definitely not

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<v Speaker 4>as much. Of course, they depend on those sales. But

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<v Speaker 4>Apple is a much bigger kind of eco play system

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<v Speaker 4>right where they know even if you have an older iPhone,

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<v Speaker 4>you're still gonna be paying for that cloud storage. You

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<v Speaker 4>might be picking up an iPad, you might get a

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<v Speaker 4>MacBook because you love the iPhone so much, you might

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<v Speaker 4>get a smart watch. So it's a much bigger play,

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<v Speaker 4>which is why they support so many older devices over

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<v Speaker 4>the years, as opposed to some of these other companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Kaf Tech guy Richarde Merrow rich real quick as we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about AI, and I have to admit I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a fogie when it comes to AI because my

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<v Speaker 1>adoption on this is really slow. I'm kind of waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for it to find its footing. I feel like once

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<v Speaker 1>we start getting some of the king signed out, then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll invest some time. Otherwise, I feel like everything's changing

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<v Speaker 1>too quickly. One of those changes, though, sounds like open

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<v Speaker 1>AI is trying to enhance some of their voice capabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>is that right, So I how does this work? When

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<v Speaker 1>I talk with chat GPT, does it talk back?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's like a there's a now you can always

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<v Speaker 4>have all the ais kind of read you the answers.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one way. But then there's this feature that's almost

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<v Speaker 4>like talking to an AI human, and that is what's

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<v Speaker 4>the voice assistant. That's what the feature is. Advanced Voice

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<v Speaker 4>Mode is what it's technically called. Gemini has it, open

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<v Speaker 4>ai has it with chat GBT and when you activate this,

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<v Speaker 4>it literally sounds like you are talking to a human

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<v Speaker 4>being that is the smartest human being in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>And open ai says, they just made theirs better. It

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<v Speaker 4>interrupts you less, it's more natural, it's more engaging. I

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<v Speaker 4>was talking to it this morning and it is. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a little basically when you used to take a breath,

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<v Speaker 4>if you were asking it something, it would jump in

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<v Speaker 4>and talk. And now it kind of lets you take

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<v Speaker 4>that breath a little bit and gives you that moment

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<v Speaker 4>of pause where it doesn't just try to jump in

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<v Speaker 4>immediately listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Like not like my wife, but like a friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah theoretically, yeah, because my wife jumps in, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>even let me get a breath in unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people do.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people do that on the radio, like I've been

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<v Speaker 4>known to do that. I'll be like, hey, wait, what

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<v Speaker 4>did you just say something?

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on?

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<v Speaker 2>How come Siri doesn't do this?

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<v Speaker 1>When is Apple going to make their stuff sound like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking like sirious talking back to me like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>holding a conversation. How long do I have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for that to happen? Like you said, Sirius sucks? When

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<v Speaker 1>does it get better?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, there's just a big.

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<v Speaker 4>Article going around on the internet about how bad AI

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<v Speaker 4>is on the iPhone, specifically Siri, because she was really

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<v Speaker 4>first out of the gate and very very good for

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<v Speaker 4>many years, and now she is way last and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not getting better for at least another year. So all

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff that Apple promised with Siri getting better is

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<v Speaker 4>not even happening for another year. So get used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich on Tech follow him Instagram, rich on Tech and

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<v Speaker 1>on his website rich on Tech dot tv KFI is

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<v Speaker 1>tech guy Richdemiro Rick always great talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Chris, love it, appreciate it.