Speaker 1: It is an honor as always to share the microphone
Speaker 1: with kfi is tech guy Rich Dimiro. You hear him
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Speaker 1: Tech dot TV, Rich Goold talk to you again.
Speaker 2: They're my friend. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Hey, good morning too, Chris.
Speaker 1: Hey, before we dive into some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: affects like our computers and our cell phones and things
Speaker 1: like that, can you help me understand this signal app
Speaker 1: that is in the news today, because this is the
Speaker 1: one that the Secretary of Defense and the National securit
Speaker 1: Advice and the Vice President accidentally added a discredited and
Speaker 1: terrible journalist who pushes hoax poaxes, so called journalists, they
Speaker 1: called him, and yet they somehow accidentally added him to
Speaker 1: their private chat about classified information.
Speaker 2: How does that happen?
Speaker 4: Well, I have lots of thoughts on this now. Number one,
Speaker 4: how does it happen? I mean we all know how
Speaker 4: this happens. I mean, how many times have you replied
Speaker 4: to a text in the wrong text? I mean I've
Speaker 4: done it a million times? How many times have you
Speaker 4: written an email to someone included them on the wrong
Speaker 4: You know you included someone by accident because you know
Speaker 4: you get that autocomplete. So I understand how this all happened.
Speaker 4: I think the bigger issue here is why are governments
Speaker 4: using this messaging app if they're not supposed to be.
Speaker 4: But again I understand that as well, because how many
Speaker 4: times does your company tell you to use a certain
Speaker 4: app to do something? Most of the time, if you're
Speaker 4: in a corporate environment, it's something they have said, Hey,
Speaker 4: we pay for teams, we pay for Google Workspace, we
Speaker 4: want you to text through this, and people use their
Speaker 4: own preferred personal apps. And that's really what happens here
Speaker 4: on a much bigger level. So and I'm not saying
Speaker 4: I agree with any of those things. I'm just saying
Speaker 4: that this is kind of like, we're human and we
Speaker 4: understand why these things happen, but these stakes.
Speaker 3: Are bigger here obviously.
Speaker 2: Now that's a great point, Rachel.
Speaker 1: It's a it's an issue of stakes, and you really
Speaker 1: humanized it because I, for one, do exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. I love to use Google Docs. It's super simple.
Speaker 1: I use Google Docs at work. My company wants me
Speaker 1: to use the Microsoft three sixty five workspace or whatever
Speaker 1: that is, right, and I don't like doing that because
Speaker 1: the Google Docs is super simple for me.
Speaker 2: So I get that. But the stakes are a whole
Speaker 2: lot lower.
Speaker 1: If somebody hacks into into my show notes, they might
Speaker 1: see that I plan on talking about meta with Garyan
Speaker 1: Shannon today at eight p fifty. They probably don't care.
Speaker 1: When it comes to military attacks, there are stakes no
Speaker 1: higher than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, And now here's the deal. They were using
Speaker 4: an app that if you're going to use an app
Speaker 4: that is for secure messaging, Signal is the most secure
Speaker 4: app out there. It has been known to be the
Speaker 4: most secure messaging app in the world pretty much for
Speaker 4: the average person that can download. It is open source,
Speaker 4: so you know, people can check on this app to
Speaker 4: see kind of the code behind it, and that's.
Speaker 3: What keeps it really secure.
Speaker 4: You can only install it on one device at a time,
Speaker 4: so you you know, this is the reason why I
Speaker 4: never really used it, because you know the fact is
Speaker 4: with these encrypted apps not there is almost no messaging
Speaker 4: app out there that is end to end encrypted by default.
Speaker 4: There are only two that I know of, and that
Speaker 4: is Signal and WhatsApp. WhatsApp has a lot of security
Speaker 4: implications because it's owned by Meta, and so even though
Speaker 4: they are securing that app and to end with encryption,
Speaker 4: they are collecting a whole bunch of other data on
Speaker 4: you while you're using that app. Signal does not do that.
Speaker 4: And so if they had to pick an app to share,
Speaker 4: you know, trade secrets, this is probably the app to
Speaker 4: do it with. Should they be doing that, Probably not,
Speaker 4: no matter what, And You're right, the stakes are much higher.
Speaker 4: But I'm explaining, like you know, how this happens on
Speaker 4: a human basis. We gravitate towards the things that we
Speaker 4: know and like and are easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, but also I think this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Rich are you You talked about how easy it is
Speaker 1: to respond to an email that's wrong, or to you know,
Speaker 1: to to respond to a text message to the wrong person.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've told my
Speaker 1: buddies in a group chat because I'm you know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about fantasy football. My wife is telling me, you know,
Speaker 1: pick up milk, and I accidentally tell nine of my
Speaker 1: best guy friends love you where something sexy tonight? It
Speaker 1: is awkward? Wow, And yeah, it's great, it's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: And then oftentime relationship, well, the worst part is is
Speaker 1: that my wife oftentimes will then realize that I'm doing
Speaker 1: something wrong. She'll start giving me fantasy football advice. I've
Speaker 1: lost more leagues that way. So, but when it comes
Speaker 1: to a group text, if I'm trying to add someone
Speaker 1: to my group chat, I've never used signal, And so
Speaker 1: this is why I'm I'm asking you, I've never used it.
Speaker 1: Is it really simple to just simply reply to the
Speaker 1: wrong one? For instance, when I reply, when I think
Speaker 1: I'm replying to my wife, but I'm accidentally telling my
Speaker 1: group of fantasy football friends I love you, it doesn't
Speaker 1: bring her in that chat.
Speaker 2: Adding somebody to that channel means creating a new.
Speaker 4: Chat, right, And I don't know the right And I
Speaker 4: don't know the logistics of what happened here, how this
Speaker 4: person got added, But I'm guessing that they thought they added.
Speaker 3: Someone else to the group text. Yea, and it was.
Speaker 4: Someone you know whoever created this group text. This this
Speaker 4: journalist from the Atlantic, was in their address book, right,
Speaker 4: so they must have been communicating with them in some
Speaker 4: way or shape or form. They typed in a few
Speaker 4: letters thinking it was someone else, it auto completed to
Speaker 4: this person and boom they were added. So that's probably
Speaker 4: the best explanation for that. I don't think there's a
Speaker 4: world where they put this person on the group chat
Speaker 4: in a secretive way to get them kind of to
Speaker 4: see what's happening, because that it just doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: with what they were discussing, right, This was a very
Speaker 4: inside baseball group of people. I mean, you're talking the
Speaker 4: highest level of our government here on this group chat.
Speaker 4: So that's the part that I don't think they just
Speaker 4: responded and brought him in. I think that it was
Speaker 4: a group chat that was created or added to later.
Speaker 3: And this person was put in mistakenly.
Speaker 1: KFCE tech guy Rich Demiro It is Rich on Tech
Speaker 1: before we check with Amy King at a quick news
Speaker 1: update here speaking of data security, what's going on with
Speaker 1: the Google It sounds like they accidentally deleted a bunch
Speaker 1: of my stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is a feature. It's not like Gmail.
Speaker 4: It's not photos so the big ones that people rely
Speaker 4: on or Google Drive like you mentioned earlier. But this
Speaker 4: is a feature called maps Timeline, which you might not
Speaker 4: even be familiar with. I was because I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: It's basically a feature inside Maps that keeps track of
Speaker 4: all the places you visit around the world. So I
Speaker 4: had this nice list of like three hundred locations that
Speaker 4: I had been to from day one when I got
Speaker 4: my Android phone to now or my iPhone, it works
Speaker 4: on both. But apparently there was a technical issue a glitch,
Speaker 4: and this information got deleted and so if you didn't
Speaker 4: have it backed up, which you probably didn't, it's gone forever.
Speaker 4: And the whole thing is that Google took this information
Speaker 4: it used to be saved by by default. They took
Speaker 4: it off of people's clouds to put it on their phone,
Speaker 4: so that was more private, and of course that's you know,
Speaker 4: it turned out to be bad because now there's no
Speaker 4: backup of it anywhere else.
Speaker 3: So and there's anyway they.
Speaker 1: Don't consider redundancy when they're doing those doing those switchovers.
Speaker 2: That feels like it feels like a kind of a
Speaker 2: boneheaded error.
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because they said last year, hey, we're
Speaker 4: moving this to your phone for your privacy.
Speaker 3: So if you didn't specifically.
Speaker 4: Back it up and tell us to back it up
Speaker 4: in your cloud, we're not having We're not keeping that
Speaker 4: information anymore. So I think that's what happened is people
Speaker 4: like me who are still kind of in the middle
Speaker 4: and still had it on their cloud. Yeah, somehow it
Speaker 4: got deleted and now it's gone forever.
Speaker 2: And now you don't even remember that you went to Botswana.
Speaker 3: No, I can't remember my time in China Russia.
Speaker 1: Exactly what China? Why did you to forget that? That's
Speaker 1: what all those shots were.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I couldn't even use Twitter when I
Speaker 4: was there, so it was not fun anyway.
Speaker 1: Rich the California Attorney General is the only attorney general
Speaker 1: that is warning people about their data with twenty three
Speaker 1: and me. How concerned should I be that twenty three
Speaker 1: and Me might misplace my spit?
Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way.
Speaker 4: Twenty three and Me always one of the top sellers
Speaker 4: on Amazon's Prime Day every year, like these little test
Speaker 4: kits are, I mean, they sell tons of them, So
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people that have their
Speaker 4: information in these databases. The concern here is that twenty
Speaker 4: three and Me has filed for bankruptcy protection, and that
Speaker 4: means there could be another company or group or organization
Speaker 4: that takes control of all of their information and we
Speaker 4: don't know, even though twenty three and me in the
Speaker 4: past has kind of said, look, we have pretty strict
Speaker 4: rules when it comes to how we protect your data.
Speaker 4: We don't know if the next company will come along
Speaker 4: and play the same way. So the ag here in
Speaker 4: California says, you know what, you should go and delete
Speaker 4: your genetic data immediately, And so this has been going around.
Speaker 4: I posted the instructions on my Instagram, but basically going
Speaker 4: on their website, which was very slow yesterday, because I
Speaker 4: guess many many people are doing this. But should you
Speaker 4: be concerned, I'd say that we it's unknown at this point,
Speaker 4: but if you feel better having this information deleted, go
Speaker 4: ahead and download it and get it out of.
Speaker 1: There, all right, So maybe a better safe than sorry
Speaker 1: situation on the jet.
Speaker 3: Nothing has changed just yet, but we just don't know.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. Then, Rich you mentioned earlier somebod
Speaker 1: about your Android phone. Then you mentioned your iPhone. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing as the tech guy who I incidentally I'm a fan,
Speaker 1: so let me just fanboy out for a moment. I
Speaker 1: also know that you have some incarnation of everything that's
Speaker 1: out there. You've got Samsung Galaxy threes all the way
Speaker 1: up to Galaxy one hundred and twenty two's that people
Speaker 1: won't see for another thirty years. You've got all of those,
Speaker 1: and then you've also got every iPhone from the first
Speaker 1: iPhone proto type all the way. People don't know this,
Speaker 1: but Rich actually has the iPhone twenty one and that.
Speaker 3: They'll tell people that I'm under NDA.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, my bad, So Rich, You've got a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything there. What what's the ladies here with Samsung?
Speaker 1: I know they're they're looking at a at a software
Speaker 1: update and I just had to update my iPhone as
Speaker 1: well because of the AI stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure you're using a lot of it.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding because most people aren't on the iPhone.
Speaker 4: But you know, I do love the corners that Siri
Speaker 4: glows with now, I mean, that's pretty cool. My little
Speaker 4: trick on my little trick on the iPhone with the
Speaker 4: with the Siri improvements is that Serie is pretty bad.
Speaker 4: I use her only to send a text. But if
Speaker 4: you say, basically, if you preface all of your requests
Speaker 4: now with ask chat GYBT, it's so much better because
Speaker 4: it'll just skip the middle man and just go right
Speaker 4: to chat GYBT. But Samsung, so they they were early
Speaker 4: on this whole AI stuff. They were they were first
Speaker 4: out of the gate with the with their AI on their.
Speaker 3: Phone in a big way.
Speaker 4: And they have been updating their recent phones with this situation.
Speaker 4: But the basically the new update that they have is
Speaker 4: one UI seven and they said that finally on April seventh,
Speaker 4: that will be rolling out to the previous models, starting
Speaker 4: with the S twenty four series, the Galaxy Fold six
Speaker 4: and the Flip six. So if you have one of
Speaker 4: these older models, you will be getting the new one
Speaker 4: UI seven on April or starting from April seventh. And Chris,
Speaker 4: if you're not familiar with the way Samsung works versus iPhone,
Speaker 4: iPhone pretty much puts everything out on the same day
Speaker 4: for everyone, like all the supported models, but a lot
Speaker 4: of the other manufacturers they sort of roll out the
Speaker 4: software updates and it's kind of frustrating because it takes
Speaker 4: a lot more time for it to reach the older models.
Speaker 2: Oh so you might not know when you're getting the
Speaker 2: update then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like they come out with all these new and
Speaker 4: I actually think some of it is a sales tactic
Speaker 4: because you know, what does Samsung wants you to do?
Speaker 4: They want you to buy the new phone, and so
Speaker 4: I think that that's where they make their money, whereas
Speaker 4: you know, Google not so much and iPhone definitely not
Speaker 4: as much. Of course, they depend on those sales. But
Speaker 4: Apple is a much bigger kind of eco play system
Speaker 4: right where they know even if you have an older iPhone,
Speaker 4: you're still gonna be paying for that cloud storage. You
Speaker 4: might be picking up an iPad, you might get a
Speaker 4: MacBook because you love the iPhone so much, you might
Speaker 4: get a smart watch. So it's a much bigger play,
Speaker 4: which is why they support so many older devices over
Speaker 4: the years, as opposed to some of these other companies.
Speaker 1: Kaf Tech guy Richarde Merrow rich real quick as we
Speaker 1: talk about AI, and I have to admit I feel
Speaker 1: like a fogie when it comes to AI because my
Speaker 1: adoption on this is really slow. I'm kind of waiting
Speaker 1: for it to find its footing. I feel like once
Speaker 1: we start getting some of the king signed out, then
Speaker 1: I'll invest some time. Otherwise, I feel like everything's changing
Speaker 1: too quickly. One of those changes, though, sounds like open
Speaker 1: AI is trying to enhance some of their voice capabilities,
Speaker 1: is that right, So I how does this work? When
Speaker 1: I talk with chat GPT, does it talk back?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a there's a now you can always
Speaker 4: have all the ais kind of read you the answers.
Speaker 4: That's one way. But then there's this feature that's almost
Speaker 4: like talking to an AI human, and that is what's
Speaker 4: the voice assistant. That's what the feature is. Advanced Voice
Speaker 4: Mode is what it's technically called. Gemini has it, open
Speaker 4: ai has it with chat GBT and when you activate this,
Speaker 4: it literally sounds like you are talking to a human
Speaker 4: being that is the smartest human being in the world.
Speaker 4: And open ai says, they just made theirs better. It
Speaker 4: interrupts you less, it's more natural, it's more engaging. I
Speaker 4: was talking to it this morning and it is. It's
Speaker 4: a little basically when you used to take a breath,
Speaker 4: if you were asking it something, it would jump in
Speaker 4: and talk. And now it kind of lets you take
Speaker 4: that breath a little bit and gives you that moment
Speaker 4: of pause where it doesn't just try to jump in
Speaker 4: immediately listening.
Speaker 2: Like not like my wife, but like a friend.
Speaker 4: Yeah theoretically, yeah, because my wife jumps in, you don't
Speaker 4: even let me get a breath in unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Some people do.
Speaker 4: Some people do that on the radio, like I've been
Speaker 4: known to do that. I'll be like, hey, wait, what
Speaker 4: did you just say something?
Speaker 3: Hold on?
Speaker 2: How come Siri doesn't do this?
Speaker 1: When is Apple going to make their stuff sound like
Speaker 1: I'm talking like sirious talking back to me like I'm
Speaker 1: holding a conversation. How long do I have to wait
Speaker 1: for that to happen? Like you said, Sirius sucks? When
Speaker 1: does it get better?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's just a big.
Speaker 4: Article going around on the internet about how bad AI
Speaker 4: is on the iPhone, specifically Siri, because she was really
Speaker 4: first out of the gate and very very good for
Speaker 4: many years, and now she is way last and it's
Speaker 4: not getting better for at least another year. So all
Speaker 4: this stuff that Apple promised with Siri getting better is
Speaker 4: not even happening for another year. So get used to it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
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Speaker 1: tech guy Richdemiro Rick always great talking to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thanks Chris, love it, appreciate it.