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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We got the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to mister Harold Benny today. He's a
Speaker 1: zoologist from Illinois. He's got a very interesting story, Harold.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go ahead and take the reins,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, about the summer that I turned sixty and I
Speaker 2: look at it. This would have been two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: and this was when I actually I called it the
Speaker 2: first bigfoot that I ever saw, Although I had a
Speaker 2: couple of strange things that I don't talk about because
Speaker 2: they are so strange that that happened before. But this
Speaker 2: is down in Oklahoma, and you probably heard of Honobia.
Speaker 2: The locals call it Hornaby. And some of you probably
Speaker 2: have read a book by Tom pal called The Locals
Speaker 2: and the Locals. He spends quite a bit of time
Speaker 2: and he talks about this little town and some stuff
Speaker 2: that has happened down there. And I was down there
Speaker 2: looking around and seeing all the things in the book
Speaker 2: and everything. But the last night that we were down there,
Speaker 2: down there with two friends, me and two others had
Speaker 2: had gone let's say, south of town more or less,
Speaker 2: and spent some time setting in the bushes and whatever,
Speaker 2: and we just I had to go northtown and get
Speaker 2: into the hills they call them mountains, And we went
Speaker 2: up a mountain road about ten o'clock at the night,
Speaker 2: maybe ten thirty. We started up the mountain road, and
Speaker 2: we had an old pickup truck, and I rode in
Speaker 2: the back of the pickup truck and the other two
Speaker 2: just rode in front, and we went up there. It
Speaker 2: seemed like forever, but when we stopped and figured it out,
Speaker 2: it was about six miles and maybe seven and we
Speaker 2: parked the car or the truck, and then walked up
Speaker 2: a ways and we crossed the bridge or went across
Speaker 2: the creek, then up a little hill, and I got
Speaker 2: bad legs, so I'm never in a hurry, and I
Speaker 2: don't mind walking in the dark by myself. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: was going pretty slow and left the other two just
Speaker 2: going up ahead. I got up to the top of
Speaker 2: the hill and I had a military grade thermal, And
Speaker 2: back then these thermals didn't do anything except let you see.
Speaker 2: Now the thermals will record, and they're a lot less expensive,
Speaker 2: but they're not nearest as nice as accurate. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: had this thermal, and I'd been up in this location before,
Speaker 2: and as I was walking the road to the Temphry road,
Speaker 2: I would stopped here and there and panned through the
Speaker 2: woods with this thermal. And I hadn't gone too far
Speaker 2: up this hill to the top of it, when I
Speaker 2: happened to see a head in the bushes moving up
Speaker 2: and down, and I just froze, didn't move, and I
Speaker 2: had the thermal on this object, and I just stayed
Speaker 2: there and watched it for quite a while. He would
Speaker 2: just head would deck down and then it would appear
Speaker 2: again above the bushes a couple of feet away, and awful.
Speaker 2: Being over seventeen, I know at least the thing was.
Speaker 2: It was only about maybe forty feet away from me
Speaker 2: for it all. And I got a little nervous, a
Speaker 2: little bit upset with this great, big thing that was
Speaker 2: right there on the side of the road almost next
Speaker 2: to me, and I had to stop and take a
Speaker 2: couple of breaths, and I thought, Okay, just had my birthday.
Speaker 2: I made it to sixty. I've always wanted to see
Speaker 2: something like this my whole life. And it started spending
Speaker 2: more time out in the woods, and I said, heck,
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch this. I watched it as long
Speaker 2: as I could, and then the other tree I was
Speaker 2: with they came back down the road at me and yelled,
Speaker 2: and I looked up. And when I looked up, this
Speaker 2: big animal that I'd been watching and disappeared. It took
Speaker 2: the chance of the opportunity to get back down the
Speaker 2: bushes somewhere. So the other two came down and asked me,
Speaker 2: and I told him what I saw, and I don't
Speaker 2: want them, I don't think blade me. But one of them,
Speaker 2: another one that had the thermal ad a thermal. She
Speaker 2: looked into the woods where I'd been looking at and
Speaker 2: she saw the animal also, so I had verification right there,
Speaker 2: which so I know it wasn't just my imagination. And
Speaker 2: if she watched it for a little bit and it
Speaker 2: was leaning against the tree, it wasn't hiding anymore. And
Speaker 2: finally a guy away where she couldn't see it either.
Speaker 2: So I watched it. I'm probably not full minute, but
Speaker 2: then forty seconds forty five something like that actually, and
Speaker 2: I thought that that was quite a while. But it
Speaker 2: just stayed within a pretty small area, just going back
Speaker 2: and forth and looking up and down, trying to look
Speaker 2: watching me, and everybody asked me what it looked like
Speaker 2: through this thermo. It was just completely bright white and
Speaker 2: there was no detail ready that I could see except
Speaker 2: this was big and white. We radioed and we got
Speaker 2: a couple other people up there, and actually we sat
Speaker 2: in the seven minute ditches for a while and just
Speaker 2: hung around up there, and it was interesting. We used
Speaker 2: a couple of guys that were backed up in the
Speaker 2: woods there and they weren't too far away. They were camping.
Speaker 2: I think they were from Kentucky or Tennessee, and we
Speaker 2: gave them a call on the phone or on the
Speaker 2: radio because we were on the county road. This county road, though,
Speaker 2: the hunters cut it over and they put gates up.
Speaker 2: This is back in the hills, so there was nobody
Speaker 2: stopped doing this, and the hunters were told us they
Speaker 2: were going to close the gates to keep us out
Speaker 2: the rest of the night. We called these other guys
Speaker 2: and we told them they better pack up real quick
Speaker 2: because the gates were going to get locked up. An
Speaker 2: interesting thing that packed up. They started up their old trucks,
Speaker 2: and when they did, they got howls from behind their
Speaker 2: campground and we could hear them. We went that far away,
Speaker 2: we could hear the howls or the grints and the
Speaker 2: wood knocks. It's almost like they were communicate and say, hey,
Speaker 2: we don't know whether whether the one side of guys
Speaker 2: is that these guys here are movement, they're doing something.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of movement and there was a
Speaker 2: lot of sound up there. Now, let's see, so that
Speaker 2: would have been time that all happened. It would have
Speaker 2: been really close to right around midnight time. I had
Speaker 2: the sidings and we had the other people up there,
Speaker 2: but nobody else saw anything. We had some some smells,
Speaker 2: but they weren't that strong, and I wouldn't really want
Speaker 2: to say that the smells were associated with anything else
Speaker 2: that was right there either, And let me see. We
Speaker 2: went back down to the truck and we got out
Speaker 2: of the area before we got locked in. But actually
Speaker 2: for that sighting, that was that's the main part, and
Speaker 2: that's about what happened. Just this last fall in October,
Speaker 2: there was a rise up of that siding that seven
Speaker 2: almost seventeen years ago. And I did a spoke at
Speaker 2: the Murphy's Boro Bigfoot Fest this year and I was
Speaker 2: interviewed and one of the guys that interviewed me, he
Speaker 2: wrote to this story that I've just told you. He
Speaker 2: wrote it up and it was in the Illinois Country
Speaker 2: Living magazine that is put out by Electric co Op.
Speaker 2: And that's where I thought that you got the story.
Speaker 2: But now it's not many. It might not be the
Speaker 2: best story I've got, but I saw it. There's no
Speaker 2: doubts about it. It felt like I could almost touch
Speaker 2: it from where I was standing, and it was probably
Speaker 2: it was probably as bad as close as i'd really
Speaker 2: want to get to one I've been any closer I
Speaker 2: had been in It's a life soon. But I can
Speaker 2: see how some people get to get the jitters and
Speaker 2: they get to feeling funny and they don't know what
Speaker 2: to think. But I consider myself to be really lucky,
Speaker 2: one of the lucky few to actually see this animals,
Speaker 2: see it alive and see it moving, And it was
Speaker 2: like it was a dark so people were going to
Speaker 2: say it was dark. You didn't really see it that well.
Speaker 2: I saw a pretty dog gone good. But actually that
Speaker 2: about takes up. Next afternoon, I had to leave back
Speaker 2: drive back here to town, and I was excited all
Speaker 2: the way back. I still get excited when I talk
Speaker 2: about it. But let me see, I think that's probably
Speaker 2: about all what I've got to say about that right.
Speaker 1: Now, Harold, do you mind if I jump in and
Speaker 1: ask you a few questions about that specific memory you have? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, perfect, just because it's very rare to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to someone from that time period in
Speaker 1: that location for the listeners that might not be aware
Speaker 1: of it, can you explain what you remember of what
Speaker 1: you heard about the events of the siege at hoh
Speaker 1: Nubbi that happened around twenty years ago in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: It seemed to be. It was a pretty hot spot,
Speaker 2: and I think there's been a lot of stuff. It's
Speaker 2: been closed down. You don't have the people don't have
Speaker 2: the freedom to go in and out. I don't think
Speaker 2: I could even get up that road anymore. Of course,
Speaker 2: you go anywhere, and the locals have seen this these
Speaker 2: animals or heard these stories, and they take it as
Speaker 2: just an everyday thing. But there was quite a bit activity.
Speaker 2: They have none dumpsters brought in, so they had a
Speaker 2: portable dump, and these animals would get out there and
Speaker 2: they'd get in the dump. I guess that was pretty common.
Speaker 2: And they would get into the cattle feeders. They have
Speaker 2: great big cattle feeders. Well the tops would pull off
Speaker 2: and they put the feed in them. They would pull
Speaker 2: off the tops and get in and get the get
Speaker 2: the feed out of them, and it was just really
Speaker 2: real common for everybody now. But right there in the
Speaker 2: middle of town there used to be a little store
Speaker 2: and there was a couple of cabins from rent. There
Speaker 2: was a house for rent, and there was a campground
Speaker 2: and I think they still have their every I think
Speaker 2: they still had a festival down there, and a couple
Speaker 2: of my friends knew a bunch of the the work
Speaker 2: with it, but I have not been back down there
Speaker 2: myself for quite a while now. There was just an
Speaker 2: awful lot of activity. It seemed like all the times
Speaker 2: I had, not just at that area where I was,
Speaker 2: but all around the town. There was something going on
Speaker 2: all the time. And there were I don't know, three
Speaker 2: or four sightings around the week that I was down there.
Speaker 2: I had been out. Actually I was in Arkansas the
Speaker 2: week before, and then I was in Hornaby for about
Speaker 2: ten days, and then all my free time was up.
Speaker 2: I was still working then, and I had to get
Speaker 2: back what I shared done. If I'd had any brains
Speaker 2: at all and had a little bit more time, or
Speaker 2: I should have made the time, I should have gone
Speaker 2: back up to where we were and into the woods
Speaker 2: and really checked it out real well. But I think
Speaker 2: that I got so excited in everybody I think would
Speaker 2: get awful excited that you just lose your common sense.
Speaker 2: But since then, when something's happened, I searched for footprints
Speaker 2: and hair and whatever, and then see if there's anything
Speaker 2: else around there. But I felt pretty lucky that I
Speaker 2: had another person there to cite the same animals, so
Speaker 2: I didn't. But and that brings up something else. Sighting
Speaker 2: of that animal by just about anybody is so unbelievable
Speaker 2: that it probably cut me three or four months before
Speaker 2: I really believed that I'd seen it, and I kept
Speaker 2: telling myself. Finally I know, I saw it, was right there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't my imagination, and I actually saw this animal.
Speaker 2: But I've had a couple of other times, a couple
Speaker 2: of other sightings where one of them took me fifteen
Speaker 2: years to finally admit in my own mind that I
Speaker 2: saw it, and another one I really haven't yet that
Speaker 2: I saw it. I don't crust my own mind. I
Speaker 2: don't think. I'm not sure if what in my own
Speaker 2: mind is if my mind's making up something, or my
Speaker 2: mind crying too hard somebody. Some people will try so
Speaker 2: hard and everything they see or everything they hear is
Speaker 2: a bigfoot, and they don't stop and consider what's actually
Speaker 2: going on or what could be causing what they're seeing
Speaker 2: or what they're looking at, And the first thing that
Speaker 2: pops in their mind is bigfoot. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of animals in the woods, and some of them are
Speaker 2: pretty fantastic, the things they can do and think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to stop and consider everything else, and if
Speaker 2: you can't figure anything that could be causing what you're seeing,
Speaker 2: then maybe it might be a big foot. And that's
Speaker 2: why I try to look at it. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I answer your question or not. Went around around there.
Speaker 1: I think those are you definitely need to have a
Speaker 1: discerning mind, is what I'm picking up. But going back
Speaker 1: to Hoe numb you a little bit. So, you said
Speaker 1: you went to that area because of some events that happened,
Speaker 1: and it was talked about in Tom Powell's book. When
Speaker 1: you went to that area to check things out for yourself,
Speaker 1: it sounds like did you talk to anyone in the
Speaker 1: area about the events that had happened.
Speaker 2: Not especially the events from that book.
Speaker 3: Now they went past there was one cabin where there
Speaker 3: was an awful lot of problems and it was set
Speaker 3: real close to the main road that came into there
Speaker 3: from the west, and they were had bigfoot in and
Speaker 3: around and stealing deer out of the fleezure. And I
Speaker 3: think one of the things that they had done they
Speaker 3: had for some reason planted peas around there in the
Speaker 3: garden or in the yard, and the deer came in
Speaker 3: and like the peas.
Speaker 2: The deers were eating the peas, and then they were
Speaker 2: actually shooting at the deer and the bigfoot. See, they
Speaker 2: thought the bigfoot learned that when they heard the shooting
Speaker 2: at the deer, that meant that they were deer and
Speaker 2: feeding on the pieves in the yard. And they'd come
Speaker 2: into the house and then into the area then and
Speaker 2: actually was a real small area, and it was a
Speaker 2: real small cabin.
Speaker 1: Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: But I guess that they even got into the figured
Speaker 2: out how to get into the freezers. But I thought
Speaker 2: that that was really interesting. They associated the gunfire with food,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't chasing them away, it was actually drawing
Speaker 2: them in. Anyway. There was a cabin across the other
Speaker 2: way where they had some things. I'll tell you one thing.
Speaker 2: There was one night several people had the thermals and
Speaker 2: the one guy called on the radio one night he
Speaker 2: said he had a hot one. He said there was
Speaker 2: a big win. He said it was up this tree
Speaker 2: back by this other cabin that was to the south
Speaker 2: of where we were. And so we hawked through it
Speaker 2: over there, and it was hard because there was a
Speaker 2: lot of rough ground in this one area. We got
Speaker 2: over there. What we found out is that he was
Speaker 2: sitting back in there and he was looking up a
Speaker 2: power pole into a transformer, and he was picking up
Speaker 2: all the heat off the transformer, and he thought we
Speaker 2: had a big foot up a pole. So that's just
Speaker 2: one of the things that can happen. I'm mistaken, and
Speaker 2: everybody jumped to it and figured they had something up there,
Speaker 2: but they didn't. They were just a transformer.
Speaker 1: That's just a great example about you. You have people
Speaker 1: that are probably extremely amped up about those events you
Speaker 1: were talking about. That is the siege at ho Nubby
Speaker 1: that people had probably heard about before. That's what you
Speaker 1: were referring to with the big Foot trying to get
Speaker 1: the deer out of the refrigerators that were on the
Speaker 1: cabin porch. I believe is how the story goes. But
Speaker 1: do you remember I think there were some investigators that
Speaker 1: were sent to check it out, and do you remember
Speaker 1: what happened to the Bigfoot at the end. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the whole story exists in any one location.
Speaker 1: I guess I could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had it to be, and this Tom pouts
Speaker 2: will it would be as much as anything beginning of what.
Speaker 2: I haven't reviewed it or looked at it. I really
Speaker 2: don't know how how it ended up. How it is
Speaker 2: much later, but I think that they did drive them off.
Speaker 2: I think I heard on a rumor or not that
Speaker 2: a truck driver had seen one of the bigfoots that
Speaker 2: had been shot trying to make it back up the
Speaker 2: woods and straight south from there was a small hill
Speaker 2: and again they call it a mountain. But I really
Speaker 2: don't know, but I'll finally happened there after that. I
Speaker 2: suld have probably looked it up and reviewed that. It's
Speaker 2: just been a long time since I've read that. And
Speaker 2: like I said, I've been seventeen years since this all
Speaker 2: happened to me.
Speaker 1: Harold, Who were the individuals that you were with? Do
Speaker 1: you remember the individuals you were with when you were
Speaker 1: out in the woods and you saw that head bobbing
Speaker 1: up and down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't really use name one. The one
Speaker 2: girl that saw it. Also, she's passed away with cancer. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: she was a girl from She was a girl from Indiana,
Speaker 2: real smart gall And then there's guy from Texas and
Speaker 2: he still works in the area, and he supposedly had
Speaker 2: a lot of sightings there. And I won't use his
Speaker 2: name either, because I don't want to draw any heat
Speaker 2: down on them. I don't use names too often. I
Speaker 2: don't even like to people say Okay.
Speaker 1: I respect that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and that really one reason is that I
Speaker 2: get as much information and as I get, even right
Speaker 2: here in Illinois, because people that I were going to
Speaker 2: work with before they know I'm not gonna that I
Speaker 2: might want to tell I'm not want to tell the story,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to say who they were, are
Speaker 2: exactly where they were, because we don't need we don't
Speaker 2: need people running through their fields and the people bothered them.
Speaker 2: So I kind of lay away from that, and that
Speaker 2: maybe takes away from some of some people believe in
Speaker 2: some of the stories. But then that's that's too bad.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have the stories at all if I didn't
Speaker 2: do it that way, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think, and I agree that's I think that's the right
Speaker 1: way to do it. You need to be respectful of
Speaker 1: people's privacy. And I've had plenty of stories where the
Speaker 1: person it gets out they had a big foot on
Speaker 1: their property and that it's reporters and reporters it's back
Speaker 1: in the seventies, But yeah, you have to be careful
Speaker 1: sometimes what info you get out. But thank you for
Speaker 1: talking about the siege at O Nabi and what you
Speaker 1: experienced after that time for a bit there, Harold, do
Speaker 1: you mind if we take a little of a step back,
Speaker 1: and we were talking before the show that you've been
Speaker 1: into Bigfoot for an extremely long time, and do you
Speaker 1: mind if we take it all the way back to
Speaker 1: the beginning and share what you remember from the very
Speaker 1: early days and then go from there.
Speaker 2: I was born in forty seven, so I've been around
Speaker 2: a long time. I hope to be around why yet,
Speaker 2: But before I was ten, maybe by the time I
Speaker 2: was ad, I can remember my dad used to bring
Speaker 2: home a newspaper, clippings, magazine clippings, things like that. They
Speaker 2: would talk about somebody somewhere all this caveman or somebody
Speaker 2: somewhere saw this ape or whatever. They didn't have a
Speaker 2: name for yet, and of course there's been stories going
Speaker 2: back to I think the seventeen hundreds. But he would
Speaker 2: bring stuff like that home, and he was a pretty
Speaker 2: smart guy. He worked as he didn't have a degree,
Speaker 2: but worked as a chemist, and he would just always
Speaker 2: tell me then all this, this is true. We don't
Speaker 2: know anything about this. This is really what it is.
Speaker 2: But keep an open mind, because if if, if you
Speaker 2: don't keep an open mind, you're never going to learn anything.
Speaker 2: And so I was, so I was brought up that way,
Speaker 2: keep an open mind. And so he would, I remember,
Speaker 2: if we threw out Miami triality, he would bring stuff
Speaker 2: home like that. And then I finally finally forgot about
Speaker 2: it when I got a bit older and got through
Speaker 2: high school and got through college, and oh, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how well I was, and I finally realized that, hey,
Speaker 2: there's well the Internet and everything. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: people gathering a lot of information. And I figured I
Speaker 2: would just start looking and seeing what was out there.
Speaker 2: And I found hundreds and hundreds of books, and so
Speaker 2: I got back into it. Then there were when I
Speaker 2: was a little bit older, and like a lot of people,
Speaker 2: I ended up getting divorced and then I went paralyzed.
Speaker 2: And I recovered from that, and I started and started
Speaker 2: taking some trips and talking to some people and build
Speaker 2: up a heck of a library. And this is the thing.
Speaker 2: If you want to learn anything, or research anything or whatever,
Speaker 2: you need to read everything that's out there and find
Speaker 2: out what's been done and what's been done before you
Speaker 2: start munching around yourself, because there's no need to repeat
Speaker 2: everything that's been done. And I learned fight a bit,
Speaker 2: and then I got hooked up for a few years
Speaker 2: with a BFRO. I was investigator for a few years them,
Speaker 2: and then I started leading some of my own small
Speaker 2: groups and things in Illinois here and the things just
Speaker 2: build up from there. Let me say, but anyway, I've
Speaker 2: I've had my mind on whether or not this animal
Speaker 2: exists for a long time. And my dad passed away
Speaker 2: in ninety nine, and that sighting was about two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, that sighting I've told you about. And I'd
Speaker 2: just give anything if he was still around, and I
Speaker 2: could go over and tell him about the things I've
Speaker 2: seen and the things that I know I've seen, and
Speaker 2: just to let him just to let him know that
Speaker 2: there are things out there. But I think he'd really
Speaker 2: enjoy he'd really enjoy finding out. And I found that
Speaker 2: over the years, I've had quite a few friends, and
Speaker 2: I was able to separate out my good friends. I
Speaker 2: tell them some of these stories to say I saw
Speaker 2: it myself, and my good friends would say that if
Speaker 2: you saw it, I believe it. And I taught school
Speaker 2: for about five six years too, And now that was
Speaker 2: before I started doing too much of this stuff that
Speaker 2: I've had ex students who they tell me the same thing,
Speaker 2: get in touch with me and and they said, I
Speaker 2: always worrying about that animal. You actually saw it. That's yeah,
Speaker 2: I actually saw it and I know it's there. And
Speaker 2: they said, and I tell them, I said, if you
Speaker 2: want to go out me sometime, I could take you
Speaker 2: if you want to go. And I said, no, if
Speaker 2: you say it's there, I don't really want to go.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are interested that they don't
Speaker 2: want to go out at night and set in the
Speaker 2: field by themselves. And I didn't understand that I answered
Speaker 2: that question and not.
Speaker 1: Either Rich I would say, you did. We talked earlier
Speaker 1: that you are you consider you went to school for
Speaker 1: being a zoologist. I'm very curious, so your viewpoint as
Speaker 1: a zoologist. How does a zoologist look at the creature
Speaker 1: called bigfoot.
Speaker 2: I'd say most of them just think it's a bunch
Speaker 2: of malarkey. Now i've talked to them just recently from
Speaker 2: around the country that they're in the BFRO and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people that just don't know. And if
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it, I'm going to say more than once,
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't be with myself. But there's something
Speaker 2: out there doesn't make any sense. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: things mostly that don't make any sense about how these
Speaker 2: animals has lived and reproduced and there seems to be
Speaker 2: an awful lot of them in certain areas and just biologically,
Speaker 2: just things just don't make sense. But we're dealing with
Speaker 2: something here we don't know. We don't know what it is. Really,
Speaker 2: we don't know where it came from, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of theories. We don't know exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: And there's no experts on this animal. And I know
Speaker 2: there's some people that think they are, but you can't
Speaker 2: be an expert on an animal that's not even hasn't
Speaker 2: been proven to exist. It's just everybody's got ideas and
Speaker 2: they passed the ideas around and it's just hard to
Speaker 2: come up with anything. So any in chart has to
Speaker 2: say that most of those wilds aren't going to believe
Speaker 2: in it. And I think even eventually they come up
Speaker 2: with a with a good body, no matter where they
Speaker 2: find it or where they put it, They're still not
Speaker 2: going to believe it. It's going to be one of
Speaker 2: one of those things, like everything is today, you can't
Speaker 2: believe anything you hear or see. It seems, but I
Speaker 2: just tell myself, I saw it. I know I saw it.
Speaker 2: I have to believe it. But I loved you before
Speaker 2: I pass away. I love to figure out how it
Speaker 2: does exist, and those are the things that it does.
Speaker 2: I just don't know. I just don't know. It's a
Speaker 2: heck of a good mystery.
Speaker 1: I would wager to say it's one of one of
Speaker 1: the best. And I hope before the end of my
Speaker 1: time that there's some sort of definite answer that's finally
Speaker 1: able to be Maybe there's a type specimen that's able
Speaker 1: to be taken, or I don't know, whatever it would take.
Speaker 1: You all, just what do you think it would take
Speaker 1: for this to finally be proven? Would it take DNA specimen?
Speaker 2: It's like you said, is they take a type specimen.
Speaker 2: There've been all this DNA work that different people talk about,
Speaker 2: but the DNA works is not worth too much because
Speaker 2: we use different samples that came from this area and
Speaker 2: that area. This animal, not animal it's all hearsay. It's
Speaker 2: all heresay. Where the samples came from. You're going to
Speaker 2: have to have a type specimen. You're going to take
Speaker 2: the samples off the type specimen and run them and
Speaker 2: find out what it actually is. That's one of the
Speaker 2: things that really drives me crazy. Just because they've run
Speaker 2: the DNA test, If you don't know where the samples
Speaker 2: came from, you haven't got anything. And I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people that's going to upset a lot of
Speaker 2: people too, But that's what's how it is. We've got
Speaker 2: to use science, and then they need to use science
Speaker 2: and scientific methods to get this thing figured out. But
Speaker 2: if it even can be figured out, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. Like I said, I've been looking into
Speaker 2: it a long time now, and about the best we
Speaker 2: can do is hope to see it now and then.
Speaker 2: But until we have you on, until we have a
Speaker 2: type specimen of the type of animal to actually run
Speaker 2: test on, it's just not gonna nothing's going to count.
Speaker 2: I guess the way to put it. Sure, so you
Speaker 2: know where it's coming from, it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: Harold reminded me, were you actively your relation to Bigfoot research.
Speaker 1: What was it in the nineteen seventies? Was it existent
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: Not a lot of the nineteen seventies when I mentioned
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot festival down in southern Illinois that happened fifty
Speaker 2: fifty one years ago today, and I guess it got
Speaker 2: a lot of it got a lot of advertisement, publication
Speaker 2: around the world and stuff. But I was working as
Speaker 2: a camis two miles from where I'm said today, and
Speaker 2: all through all that I didn't even hear about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about at it, okay, but about
Speaker 2: through the seventies and whatever. Actually, I was still teaching,
Speaker 2: doing some things, trying to raise a family, and I
Speaker 2: had my head a lot of other places. But I've
Speaker 2: just was just taking up some things here and there.
Speaker 2: And there's timing in a guy's life that he's got
Speaker 2: to be raising the family and worrying about that. And
Speaker 2: I guess I had where I had my head.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, totally get it. So we talked earlier about
Speaker 1: you've spent a lot of time researching Bigfoot in Illinois,
Speaker 1: which is where you're based out of. And I've been
Speaker 1: able to talk to a few people from Illinois I've
Speaker 1: talked to. There's definitely some things going on northeast of
Speaker 1: Peoria in the northern part of the state. There's the
Speaker 1: Shawnee area down in the south part of the state,
Speaker 1: and you've got a little Egypt and all that good
Speaker 1: stuff down there. But what has your research been like
Speaker 1: in the state over the years?
Speaker 2: Okay, when I go, I think it's much time in
Speaker 2: as Shawnee as I can. And basically in Illinois, if
Speaker 2: you're not in the Shawnee, you're someplace where you probably
Speaker 2: haven't got permission to be That's a big thing. If
Speaker 2: you get out of park ground, the public ground in Illinois,
Speaker 2: you just haven't got permission to be there. So I
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time in the murphy Boro area
Speaker 2: on that side of the state and the south about
Speaker 2: as far as you can drive down through down to
Speaker 2: Jonesborough and even further. And then I go over to
Speaker 2: Harrisburg and south from Harrisburg, and I've got a little
Speaker 2: private park down there that I use. It's Williams Hill Pass.
Speaker 2: I use that a lot.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And always have something really strange and really something really
Speaker 2: stands out every time I go down there. And sometimes
Speaker 2: an awful lot of stuff happens down there. A lot
Speaker 2: of stuff happens at Murphysboro. I cannot sometimes decide when
Speaker 2: I have a few days where I want to go,
Speaker 2: because both those areas are good. And the thing is
Speaker 2: there's a lot of ground down there that you can
Speaker 2: you can get on. Now. I've brought ten, fifteen, twenty
Speaker 2: BFR investigators right up here to Montgomery County, to Hillsboro
Speaker 2: and try to do some things up here too, But
Speaker 2: I can't keep them off the private ground. I'll have ground,
Speaker 2: but I have permission to use. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're just not used to keep the people being
Speaker 2: protected whether they're up their ground. You just you've got
Speaker 2: to creet these farmers nice. They've got to lunch. Maybe
Speaker 2: sometimes you got to shoot a few coyotes to get
Speaker 2: permission to get on there and do anything. Except if
Speaker 2: they think they've got something, they'll call you and ask
Speaker 2: me to come down and look. But they're the big
Speaker 2: thing is who owns the ground and do I have
Speaker 2: permission to get on it? And like I say, I'm
Speaker 2: in Hillsboro and I have a lot of sightings day's out,
Speaker 2: an awful lot of them, which is funny, And do
Speaker 2: all that go back maybe thirty five years all around
Speaker 2: this town. From where I'm sitting right now, I could
Speaker 2: go six seven miles north or south and be in
Speaker 2: areas where there's been three or four sidings. I could
Speaker 2: go east and west and not quite as many sightings.
Speaker 2: The thing about Hillsborough here is I think that makes
Speaker 2: it so good. We've got the Shoal Creek that's called
Speaker 2: and it's three branch creek, and hill roll sets at
Speaker 2: the top of the branches between the east branch and
Speaker 2: the middle fork. The middle branch and then Lynchfield is
Speaker 2: eight miles to the west, and there's another branch with
Speaker 2: its sharper and it joins into the middle branch after
Speaker 2: just maybe ten miles. The thing with me, we've got
Speaker 2: again being it's all privately on ground, but we've got
Speaker 2: water and lots of food, and with these three creek branches,
Speaker 2: I think it's really it's just ideal for something like this.
Speaker 2: And I guess I'm lucky that I was raised and
Speaker 2: brought up here and I've still got a few living
Speaker 2: relatives and I know a lot of people, and I
Speaker 2: can get on this ground and people help me and
Speaker 2: people will cooperate with me, and the people that don't
Speaker 2: even know me know of me, and with happens. I
Speaker 2: get telephone calls and for I don't use any computer
Speaker 2: communication of any sort or whatever really anymore, and I
Speaker 2: just don't. I just don't get involved with that. I
Speaker 2: just use regular old telephones and business cards. And I'm
Speaker 2: really surprised that the number of people that do get
Speaker 2: a hold of me. And a lot of people, well,
Speaker 2: there's two things. A lot of people I want to
Speaker 2: know if they've got something going on in their property
Speaker 2: and think, man, there's something scrange out here, and they
Speaker 2: call me and I go out and I try to
Speaker 2: look inside what I think from what I can see,
Speaker 2: if they have got something that strange on their property.
Speaker 2: And then there's people that don't really want you on
Speaker 2: the property, but they've been scared of something. They say
Speaker 2: something's not right in the woods, so I try to
Speaker 2: help them. Then it's because maybe the biggest thing, if
Speaker 2: they've seen something or had something going on, they're afraid
Speaker 2: to say it, to tell anybody. I've had guys that
Speaker 2: wouldn't even tell their wives that they've seen something. But
Speaker 2: if they call me time, they call me they know that.
Speaker 2: Like we already said, I'm not going to be giving
Speaker 2: up their name or where they live, or their property
Speaker 2: or what they've seen so they can be identified. And
Speaker 2: between those two things, I think that makes a lot
Speaker 2: of difference. But down southern Illinois, you've got an awful
Speaker 2: lot of an awful lot of ground, but it's in
Speaker 2: the Shawnee. It's botty. You have to be careful. But
Speaker 2: that's the thing. I respect everybody's ground, everybody's property, and
Speaker 2: if I'm with people, I expect them and I do
Speaker 2: one people, I say, don't cross those senses and bother anything.
Speaker 2: Take care of this place just like it you want it.
Speaker 2: And if they do that, we're fine. But I have
Speaker 2: hal had and people get in trouble because they just
Speaker 2: don't think they have to worry about getting on anybody
Speaker 2: else's property. But anyway, that's a big difference between between
Speaker 2: north and south available property over the years.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do any research up in Iowa? Just curious.
Speaker 2: I've been to Iowa a couple of times. I had
Speaker 2: a friend that I can't even think where he is now,
Speaker 2: but I haven't been there for years now, and I've
Speaker 2: gone up there to a couple of park areas. I'd
Speaker 2: have to get out the map and see it and
Speaker 2: into some old notes to see where I even was now.
Speaker 2: But I have cast one or two prints in Iowa
Speaker 2: in one of the park I remember that. But one
Speaker 2: of the guys that I used to go up with,
Speaker 2: he was kind of, everything's a big foot, sure, and
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm my Actually the other way. There may
Speaker 2: be something there, but it probably not a big foot.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of animals in the woods of all
Speaker 2: sizes and shape. And of course I hunt and foot
Speaker 2: and a hut and ski and about any outdoor sport
Speaker 2: you can do. And so I'll be seventy seven in
Speaker 2: a couple of months. I felt my life doing all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, tiled hunting and just about everything.
Speaker 2: So I've been in the woods a lot and seen
Speaker 2: a lot and people, a lot of people in some
Speaker 2: of the bigfoot organizations. So if you're if you're a
Speaker 2: hunter or you look like a hunter in the woods,
Speaker 2: you're not going to see anything because you're going to
Speaker 2: scare it all off. And I tell them, if you're
Speaker 2: a hunter or a real outdoors money, you know what's
Speaker 2: in the outdoors, and you don't jump in every single
Speaker 2: thing and say it's a big foot and that's that.
Speaker 2: That is a difference. And you know what you're what,
Speaker 2: you're looking at, what's around. It's the things that you
Speaker 2: don't know that you can't figure out that really spook you.
Speaker 2: That thing. I watched it forty feet away from me
Speaker 2: in the middle of life. That kind of spoofed me.
Speaker 1: If you ever get the chance to look through your
Speaker 1: notes and you happen to find where you cast those
Speaker 1: tracks at in the wherever it was in Iowa, I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to know. I'm from just outside of central
Speaker 1: Iowa myself to the west, so trying to find all
Speaker 1: the historical info about what's happened in the state.
Speaker 2: But I think I was more more northern. It's marked
Speaker 2: on it's at least marked on a map or something somewhere.
Speaker 2: And I used to a lot of times keep a
Speaker 2: notebook for almost every trip. I took like a three
Speaker 2: leaf book. And that's when I was making those trips.
Speaker 2: I had, I was sick, I had I went through
Speaker 2: a period where I had bad pancreage infections, and I
Speaker 2: had I had three times three types of cancer. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: And so I've been really lucky and the knock on
Speaker 2: what I need to go in for another cancer test
Speaker 2: here real soon, and I hate to do it, sure
Speaker 2: because I don't want to find anymore. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: was I was. I remember the last time I went
Speaker 2: to Iowa. I was sick. But I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 2: know I was with north of Cedar Rapids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the really squatchy area up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when you get up in there. I was
Speaker 2: Martha there and maybe I was a little bit west
Speaker 2: of there, but yeah, if I run across it, I'll
Speaker 2: do that. Now. I have got one of these days
Speaker 2: I need to get with you. I've got another story
Speaker 2: that I don't talk about. It happened before this one
Speaker 2: I was talking about tonight. It more or less gets
Speaker 2: you into paranormal bigfoot sure, which being a scientist, I've
Speaker 2: always tried to stay away from that. But what I've
Speaker 2: learned is overall the years to say, you really can't
Speaker 2: stay away from it. I don't pay that much attention
Speaker 2: to a lot of the really strange things. But when
Speaker 2: I was with the bf R O see BFRO has
Speaker 2: a special file. If somebody mentions in their bigfoot story
Speaker 2: get into a paranormal type things or says where they
Speaker 2: got out of a spaceship or something weird. We've got
Speaker 2: a file, but we just put them in so there's
Speaker 2: there should be all saved, but it's full of really
Speaker 2: weird stuff. And I gave you a name one day
Speaker 2: we were talking, Carter Burchard. Did you ever get a
Speaker 2: hold of him?
Speaker 1: He's on the list of people I know. He's got
Speaker 1: multiple books that are supposed to be very good reads.
Speaker 1: But he is yeah to talk to yeah, and.
Speaker 2: He's writing another one right now. And he started BFRO.
Speaker 2: I was already with him for a while, but he
Speaker 2: started with him, and he was one of the guys
Speaker 2: that would come up here to Illinois and do some things.
Speaker 2: And we haven't been together for a little bit, but
Speaker 2: he's had so much I don't know what to call it. Paranormal.
Speaker 2: I've just called for so much stuff that he's that's
Speaker 2: where he started spending time. Instead of just throwing him out,
Speaker 2: he tried to going more and more into this stuff,
Speaker 2: and that's where all his books have pretty much come from.
Speaker 2: I guess the book that he's finishing up right now,
Speaker 2: it's basically about habituations, but the others, and actually the
Speaker 2: others he wrote three books, but he wrote but one
Speaker 2: of them that he wrote, he went back into it
Speaker 2: and added a bunch of stuff. So there's a new
Speaker 2: volume under the same book. But yeah, he lives all
Speaker 2: by Kansas City, and you get ahold of get a
Speaker 2: hold of him a tongue where he got his name,
Speaker 2: and he's he does a lot of he does a
Speaker 2: lot of podcasts and he's not, like you said, some
Speaker 2: good books and stuff. So now I got off of
Speaker 2: whatever I was talking about. Where was I?
Speaker 1: It feels like a few times during the interviews so far,
Speaker 1: it feels like there's something that you've experienced that you
Speaker 1: want to share, but you're very I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to share it, but it feels like you
Speaker 1: want to share something.
Speaker 2: That other story that I just mentioned that happened down
Speaker 2: in Mina, Arkansas, and ten days before that one I
Speaker 2: talked about. But I don't know how long it would
Speaker 2: really take for me to tell that story. I've only
Speaker 2: really told it once, and it's at least it'll be
Speaker 2: seventeen years ago too. You have only told it once
Speaker 2: and I put it you say you found this story
Speaker 2: on Facebook. It's on Facebook also, and I told it
Speaker 2: even a couple of my friends. I said, I'm having
Speaker 2: trouble leaving that story. I said, that's why I never
Speaker 2: told you anybody were all these years because strange. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to do it another time.
Speaker 1: Or it's up to you. But I do have the
Speaker 1: time now and it might be one of the things
Speaker 1: where we're both on the same call now and if
Speaker 1: you've got a few minutes, but up to you. I
Speaker 1: want to respect your time, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know what time is. It's nine thirty,
Speaker 2: is it okay?
Speaker 1: About nine thirty?
Speaker 2: And you usually run the ten, don't you.
Speaker 1: Give or take? But I would love to be able
Speaker 1: to have you share your story. If you're cool with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's try it. Like I said, it's even with
Speaker 2: some of my friends. It may just have trouble with it.
Speaker 2: But we're getting into the paranormal stuff here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no judgment here, Harold. So you feel with telling it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I love like a couple of big too,
Speaker 2: a guy making fun of flying saucers or anything. Nothing
Speaker 2: worse and big for a guy making fun of each other.
Speaker 2: This was I think it was of Mina and of
Speaker 2: course act just the hopskiff and a jump from where
Speaker 2: I was in Oklahoma. I started out at Mina, me
Speaker 2: and some other people and the stranger's dog. One deal.
Speaker 2: Didn't really have any plan or whatever. But one of
Speaker 2: the guys were in Walmart and most of us were
Speaker 2: just sitting in the parking lot. And one of the
Speaker 2: guys went in to get something in Walmart at Mina
Speaker 2: and ran into this gal there was talking Bigfoot. So
Speaker 2: we got hooked up with her. And she had a
Speaker 2: little bitty place down I think it had to be south,
Speaker 2: tucked back in there at the base of the mountain,
Speaker 2: and she said she even had there was an old
Speaker 2: school bus in the woods, and the Bigfoot a lot
Speaker 2: of the time stayed in the school bus for show
Speaker 2: in the winter.
Speaker 1: That's okay, big for SOCIETYHO would be right back after
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Speaker 2: Anyway, This one night, men and a guy from Kentucky
Speaker 2: and a woman from north then northwest of Kansas City.
Speaker 2: He had a van, and we're all old. They're both
Speaker 2: older than me. I was about sixty then, and we
Speaker 2: went down by her place back in the woods, and
Speaker 2: this was the darkest place I think I ever saw,
Speaker 2: or whatever was at and maybe it wasn't that dark,
Speaker 2: it was close to it. This place was dark. So
Speaker 2: we went down the road, passed her place, and we
Speaker 2: pulled off and took the van, took it back in
Speaker 2: a little bit, and then me and other the older guy,
Speaker 2: we got out, and she says, I don't really feel
Speaker 2: good about getting out here. I think, oh, lock the
Speaker 2: doors of the van here, and I'll stay in the
Speaker 2: van and wait for you guys. And so that's what
Speaker 2: we did, me and him. We walked back down the
Speaker 2: road the direction we'd come from, somewhere between that a
Speaker 2: quarter and a half. We went too far down, but
Speaker 2: we walked down and we were in this gavel inviters down.
Speaker 2: We were in her driveway and the man, it was dark,
Speaker 2: and we weren't there too long, and this horrendous stream
Speaker 2: come from the mountains just off the road to our belbow.
Speaker 2: It would have still been to our south, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't too far away, but it was so loud and
Speaker 2: so scary. I've still never heard anything like it in
Speaker 2: the woods or whatever. This was an awful screen. We
Speaker 2: both we backed up maybe twenty feet into her driveway
Speaker 2: to get away. Because you seen boy something was going
Speaker 2: to pop out of the woods and it was going
Speaker 2: to be awful. So we stood there as long as
Speaker 2: we could. And I'm looking down the road back towards
Speaker 2: the van and I can I'm far and afway, I
Speaker 2: can't see the van, and it's dark. I see this great,
Speaker 2: big white thing across the ditch, come out of the
Speaker 2: woods on the mountain side. And he gets in the
Speaker 2: road and he starts walking towards us. Like I said,
Speaker 2: we're a little bit back off of it, though, And
Speaker 2: I tell this this other friend mine uses. His name
Speaker 2: was war. I don't even know. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: alive anymore. I said, hey, that's going to almost run
Speaker 2: into us. It's coming straight at us. And he says,
Speaker 2: what I said. It's big and white and it looks
Speaker 2: like a big foot to me. And he says, I
Speaker 2: don't see nothing. He said, you're imagining. And I said, arty,
Speaker 2: it's coming right at us. And this was scary from
Speaker 2: my point of view. I'm watching this and what do
Speaker 2: we do? So we backed up a little bit more
Speaker 2: and before it got to us. I'm in a way
Speaker 2: about this thing coming at us. Before it got to us,
Speaker 2: it turned jumped back across the ditch and started walking
Speaker 2: up the mountain and I say, oh man, and he
Speaker 2: still didn't see it. He finally convinced me that I
Speaker 2: was half crazy and that there was nothing there. But
Speaker 2: back then I still had pretty good eyesight and pretty
Speaker 2: good hearing, and he was. He was blinding so bad,
Speaker 2: and death too, So I don't know. Anyway, we stayed
Speaker 2: down there quite a while, and we finally walked back
Speaker 2: to the van, and every where really gets crazy. I
Speaker 2: was excited about seeing this thing, and I tell the
Speaker 2: gualve been sitting in this van, start to tell her
Speaker 2: about what I saw, and she jumps in. She says,
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you what I saw.
Speaker 2: He said. I'm sitting here in the van, in the
Speaker 2: back seat, and all of a sudden, its white bigfoot
Speaker 2: materialized or appeared, setting in the front seat. It was
Speaker 2: setting there, and I said, look out the window, and
Speaker 2: there was a little bitty one and it's white also,
Speaker 2: and it's running around outside of the vans. And here's
Speaker 2: where you think about the whole thing. It really gets funny.
Speaker 2: I hadn't told her my story about I saw a
Speaker 2: white one down there. I saw big white one too. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we started making fun of her, but he made foot
Speaker 2: guys making fun of each other, and she got upset,
Speaker 2: really got upset, and we quit and I forgot about it.
Speaker 2: This guy was good, and she's straight. She wasn't drinking,
Speaker 2: she wasn't on drugs. But she saw this thing materialized
Speaker 2: right in front of her and sat there for a while,
Speaker 2: kind of looked at her, and then it just disappeared.
Speaker 2: And I wasn't making fun of her, wasn't really heavy
Speaker 2: about it. And so she's a real nice gal and
Speaker 2: I like her, and we were actually sitting there making
Speaker 2: fun of each other and what we saw. And then
Speaker 2: there was a couple other guys around and they heard
Speaker 2: about what I saw this and that the other night,
Speaker 2: and I did, and I denied it. I didn't rest
Speaker 2: of the time I was around anybody. I said, now,
Speaker 2: if I had seen that, I just well, Walt says,
Speaker 2: I'm just seeing something else. And these guys I was
Speaker 2: telling them this too. They said, if you say you
Speaker 2: saw something, and Walt said, you didn't, we'll leave you
Speaker 2: for the big walk because we think you could have. Well,
Speaker 2: like I said, I was still a little bit younger,
Speaker 2: still could see and still could hear anyway. Bluffed at that,
Speaker 2: and I just more or less denied it. It was
Speaker 2: probably a couple of months before I was setting down
Speaker 2: one day and I just happened to think I saw
Speaker 2: why when coming down the road she saw why wouldn't
Speaker 2: materialize in the van. I wonder what's going on here?
Speaker 2: And like I said, I thought about it. It was
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen years I thought about it, and it's one
Speaker 2: of those twenty five stories that I put on Facebook.
Speaker 2: And it's just when I just I just forget about
Speaker 2: it because Walt told me I didn't see anything, and
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the fact that what
Speaker 2: she saw was white and what I was seeing was white.
Speaker 2: Now I did not see a small and a baby
Speaker 2: or whatever, kydler or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Never mind, that's got to be
Speaker 2: one of the weirdest bigfoot stories you ever heard.
Speaker 1: It's up there, Harold, and it's awesome. So the way
Speaker 1: I think that is, I have my personally, but we
Speaker 1: haven't proven what it can do or what exactly it
Speaker 1: is yet. And end of the day, your friend saw
Speaker 1: a white bigfoot materialize inside that vehicle and that's wild
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you can explain that away, right.
Speaker 2: No, she's not like I said, She's not crazy at
Speaker 2: all or anything. And I haven't seen her for quite
Speaker 2: a while. Far as I know, she's still alive. See
Speaker 2: she does put some stuff on Facebook now and then
Speaker 2: see why I don't talk about it. Sure you know
Speaker 2: too much. It's but that's an example of three big
Speaker 2: foot people making fun each other, which is funny in
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: But sure, is this something where you're and I know
Speaker 1: you said it's south of Mina, Arkansas, just because it's
Speaker 1: interesting when listeners hear something and then maybe someone else
Speaker 1: has experienced something to do with the white Bigfoot materializing
Speaker 1: in that same area. Are there any other things you
Speaker 1: can say about the mountain or do we have to
Speaker 1: keep it very vague as to its somewhere self?
Speaker 2: That's one of those things. I would have to sure
Speaker 2: do some research on it too. I hear you to
Speaker 2: find exactly she's not too far off one of the
Speaker 2: main highway down there, and I think you's south Amina,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that. But I talked to her. She
Speaker 2: had a son, to a teenage son, and I talked
Speaker 2: to him about what was going on with her with
Speaker 2: the bigfoot that she said stayed in the school bus
Speaker 2: and he says, yeah, they do. And he says, I
Speaker 2: guess they'd also been feeding them and they would come
Speaker 2: along and they hit the house and hard methods that
Speaker 2: would knock stuff off the walls and things one food
Speaker 2: and so she's had a problem around there. But most
Speaker 2: of the people out with were associated with with the
Speaker 2: BFR BFRO, and she hated the BFRO. And that's it
Speaker 2: was just a strange deal that we that she ended
Speaker 2: up inviting us over there to take a look. I
Speaker 2: guess that's when you get people that will listen to
Speaker 2: you and believe you. It doesn't make a lot of difference.
Speaker 2: That's one of the neatest things we do is as investigators,
Speaker 2: do everything we can to believe people. Now, those are
Speaker 2: the two best stories I've got and and like I said,
Speaker 2: that last one I just haven't told heck the lost
Speaker 2: Maybe I can figure out where that is so I
Speaker 2: could come real close. I'm not sure what they call
Speaker 2: those mountains, if those are the I was thinking of
Speaker 2: White mountains, but I don't know. But yeah, that story there.
Speaker 2: I so it tookly fifteen years to even think about
Speaker 2: tell at all, and it didn't lose me any friends
Speaker 2: or whatever, but they maybe shut their brief in me
Speaker 2: a little bit. But anyway, that's some kind of junk
Speaker 2: that my friend Carter is in two of those first
Speaker 2: three books, some things, and he comes over here. There
Speaker 2: are some spots down around Jonesboro and the Trailer Tears
Speaker 2: Park that that we've hit a few times. And there's
Speaker 2: there's one spot down there south for the Trailer Teers
Speaker 2: Park area, and the locals down there say they won't
Speaker 2: go into it after dark, and we haven't been into
Speaker 2: it too much, but when we've been in if there's
Speaker 2: something strange happening there. But again, you don't know. I
Speaker 2: didn't used to be afraid going into to the woods
Speaker 2: or by myself, and that's usually how I do. I
Speaker 2: go by myself and in the dark. I didn't used
Speaker 2: to be but I've seen some things over the last
Speaker 2: few years, and I really is someplace I really don't
Speaker 2: want to I don't feel good about going into, like
Speaker 2: I said, basically, by myself. I don't know that David
Speaker 2: Bledis is books, for one one make you think once
Speaker 2: in a while, and I imagine you've probably read them, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you definitely want to be cautious and aware,
Speaker 1: especially if you're going in the woods by yourself and
Speaker 1: let people know where you're going and all that good
Speaker 1: stuff that you know. But it sounds like you saw
Speaker 1: some weird stuff and that that made you think twice
Speaker 1: about going into the woods.
Speaker 2: That sometimes, Yeah, And I've had that even around here.
Speaker 2: Some spots that I've been to an awful lot. One
Speaker 2: of them Gift, a few miles from here. I went
Speaker 2: down one night and I couldn't make myself get out
Speaker 2: of the car. I couldn't get out at all, and
Speaker 2: I said in the car or they were probably twenty
Speaker 2: minutes and I finally left, and it spook me that
Speaker 2: was it just all in my mind? Or was there's
Speaker 2: something telling me not to get out? And I've been
Speaker 2: down to the same spot And the one time I
Speaker 2: remember and got out of my car and did a
Speaker 2: wooden knock and got a wood knock. I'm on an
Speaker 2: old road that end of that dead end, I had
Speaker 2: a bridge that's been torn out, and I got out
Speaker 2: of my car, did some wood knocks and got answers
Speaker 2: right there almost in top of me. And I waited
Speaker 2: awhile and did some more knocks, and I got more answers,
Speaker 2: maybe two or three times further away, and I said, wow.
Speaker 2: And I'm down here by myself, so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I didn't used to be afraid at all.
Speaker 2: My dad was. He was, of course, a World War
Speaker 2: Two veteran, and I didn't dare tell him if I
Speaker 2: got scared in the woods or at dark walking home
Speaker 2: or whatever, because he let me know is there's nothing
Speaker 2: in that woods that can hurt you. And he was wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah he is something else. What else you got.
Speaker 1: For me, Harold, It's been a fantastic conversation, and I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on sharing your stories. I know some of them
Speaker 1: you haven't really shared before, and I appreciate you being
Speaker 1: able to share them. I hope that someday you're able
Speaker 1: to get your book written. I'd love to get a
Speaker 1: copy of it, and I'm sure my listeners would as well.
Speaker 1: But it's just been a great time chatting with you, Harold.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good.
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