Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, Darcy. We're Darcy. Welcome back.
How have you been, how's the baby? And how is
your lovely wife doing?
Speaker 2: It's been good. I'm a little tired. Well, I got
the bags just growing under my eyes daily. But life
is good. I'm happy to see his little smile every day.
And wife is good, you know, just working away on
these stories I'm presenting.
Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, so we're here to talk about this amazing, amazing documentary. Now,
before we get into it, you've been making documentaries in
the UFO space for what twenty years?
Speaker 3: Now? How does a person end up doing that for
a living?
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't what I started off doing as a living.
I was working in IT support for a number of years.
I worked for corporations like Microsoft Game Studio. I worked
for Best Buy head office in Canada, and I was
like a max system admin and a Windows guy. But
you know, I created my very first conspiracy documentary. I
will say it was a blatant conspiracy documentary called The
Underground in twenty twelve, and like it took three to
four years to make it. I published it on YouTube.
It blew up. It got like four million hits back
in the day, and I realized people are into this stuff,
and I've been slowly building more professional presentations that do
deep dives and prevent, you know, many facts as possible
in the stories that I present over the years. So
now it's my full time thing.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1: I truly think it's a gift when you get to
make a living at what you truly love to do.
I mean, not many people get that opportunity in life,
and I think that is just fantastic.
Speaker 3: So you have a new film out.
Speaker 1: We watched the trailer at the very beginning of the
show and I watched the film, absolutely love it. It's
called Dark Alliance The Next Generation. So my question is,
do you actually believe that there is a secret space programmer?
That there probably is and tell us just kind of
in a nutshell what the film is about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've touched on my beliefs of there being
secret space activity, secret UOFO activity and NASA's endeavors alongside
military agencies, possibly intelligence agencies throughout the decades. So I
think there has to be some kind of secret space
activity going on. With all that said, in this documentary
series that I've been presenting for the past couple of
years called Dark Alliance. I'm saying that what these people
are explaining is true is most likely a LARP, live
action role playing, or purely entertainment because it's there's no facts,
there's no proof to what these people say. It's just
spectacle and sensational sensationalism run rampant.
Speaker 1: Now, before we get into the details about the film,
let's set up some of the characters. Do you spend
most of your time with two people, this gentleman by
the name of Tony Rodriguez and Chris O'Connor.
Speaker 3: Who are these guys?
Speaker 2: So these guys have been surrounded by the Secret Space
Program I call it in the series the New Age
Secret Space Program Crew, which includes Cory Good, David Wilcock,
Michael Sala, you know, Emery Smith, all of these guys.
They really got their launchpad on Gaya TV, which, in
my opinion, promoting this type of stuff this as fact
or you know, real, is kind of like spreading delusion
on mass because they have a very large subscribership. But yeah,
these these people, Tony rod Riggs and Chris O'Connor, they
got their start, you know, almost a decade Ago and
Tony rod Riggs. We have pictures of him basically going
to conferences where Michael Sala and the first sort of
famous secret space program astronaut Guy Chris So sorry, Corey
Good had his debut in twenty fifteen at a conference
in Mount Shasta.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and let me jump in here for people
that have no idea what Gaya TV is? What is
Gaya what's its history? And you know, how long is
it's been? How long has it been around? And sort
of who is what is Guya's audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question, and I kind of address
that when we made our first version, like our first
presentation in this docu series called Dark Alliance, which is
free on two B TV if people want to go
check that out. It's a two parter, and we interview
the former head of production at Gaya TV, Jay Widner.
Jid Well. He is briefly in this too, because he
gives a bit of context surrounding the story of uh,
you know, character analysis of like Tony Rodrig's and other
people because he was there when they were coming in
to uh guy at TV Studios and launching their story
through that launchpad. But he explains the company as basically
when he was there, a startup that was basically a
spirituality uh and let's say conspiracy theory Netflix, because they
specialize in alternative health. They specialize in sort of spirituality stuff,
you know, alternative uh, you know, alternate to religion, let's say.
And then they have the alternate history, alternate you know,
reality sort of presentation stuff with some of the conspiracy
theory offerings that they have, And yeah, that's where the
New Age Secret Space program really took off.
Speaker 1: And is this a pretty big outfit, Like what would
you estimate their viewership to be or maybe the question
is what has been their height of their sort of subscribership.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have per year anywhere between six hundred
to five hundred thousand subscribers, Okay, And then they have
all of their hosts have their own sort of TikTok
YouTube channels, you know, Jimme Church and Christina Gomez and
you know, all these folks that have shows on their
kind of also murmur with the same folks that they platform.
And one point, you know, you could see in the documentaries,
Jimmy Church was at all these conferences introducing these people
as the real deal, you know, like here, come here,
it comes David Wilcock with the most amazing stories. You're
gonna believe everything because this guy is the real deal,
you know. So sure, that's pretty much. They've got a
sphere of influence and it includes their own network, but
then all the hosts that they use and their platforms.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, got it all right, So let's let's get
back to the film.
Speaker 3: They're sort of a king maker.
Speaker 1: This other figure in the film who I think is
more interesting than the claimants themselves, this doctor Michael Salah
is am I saying that, right, Salah Salah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And you spoke about him just a few
moments ago. Who is this guy?
Speaker 2: You know, he's an interesting guy that's added a voice
to uphology and to let's say, the disclosure movement. I
don't fault him for having a presence there, and I
really think that there is value in expanding to other
audiences this discussion. But he's published an amazing amount of
books that put a very very interesting spin on everything
that's going on in the discussion. And you know, things
that he's claimed that are absolutely true are the testimony
of Corey Good, which now we know since Corey Good's
legal depositions. He said he made it up and it
was just a sort of intellectual property or entertainment IP.
He said that you know everything that Tony Rodriguez or
Chris O'Connor or any He kind of platforms these people,
and uh then books come out and he's stated that
we've got you know, alien human bases on Mars where uh,
you know, joint programs are going on and we're also
fighting wars with the draco reptilians and space. He claims
that there's a base in Antarctica where the aliens live
right now, and you know that the all the major
governments and militaries know about that base, and you know, uh,
there's basically he becomes a person to go to when
you want to know who the aliens are and what
their motives are and what they're doing around our planet.
And I think there's a stark contrast between somebody like
him that's speaking in the public and somebody like you know,
let's say Ryan Grabes who saw an object knows that
our militaries are interrupt interacting with UAP or uofos, But
you know, he would never go as far as to
say you know who's piloting piloting the craft and YadA, YadA, YadA.
When we get into this territory, it becomes a bit.
Speaker 3: Wu, but not in a good and not in a
good way, more like bullshit WHU.
Speaker 2: I would say, trust me, bro wu, because there's no proof.
How how are you like? They present it as if
it is factual in reality, And I think it's a
bit dangerous because it spreads delusion and it may kind
of mentally unseat some people that are trying to figure
out this reality or figure out what's going on. We're
waiting for the goods, right from some kind of official
release and eventual you know, documentation and so on and
so forth. But I think if aliens are here, there's
so far ahead of us that, you know, they're not
really concerned about the things that these people speak about
as if it's gospel.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: And you know, when I was watching this thing, at first,
I was thinking, is are these people having some kind
of mental illness breakdown or whatever? But the more I
watched it, the more I realized, this whole thing seems
like a grip, like a business. So walk me through
how this actually works financially? These you know, these are people.
They're not just telling stories around a campfire. There's like
a real economy behind this thing, with conferences and whatnot.
Speaker 3: Walk us through that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very circular, right, And you know, you may
even say, you may even hear Stephen Cambian, who comes
up on a portion of the documentary. Some people may
have a reaction to that because he's a very strong personality.
But the circular sort of description that he says, which
I think is very appropriate, is a circle jerk. So essentially,
you have one major corporation platforming them that is probably
marketing one oh one. A lot of companies and advertisers
and stuff look for environments like that for you know,
this type of proliferation or marketing cycle. But when you
see it happening with these guys that literally are providing
I think delusionary sort of presentations, it's not good long
term for you know, our society, our families, our kids.
I mean, it's like your brain has just fallen out
of your head because you're no longer you know, prescribing
to the realities of life to some degree, right, So.
Speaker 1: It really is truly a circle jerk, And I mean, yeah,
it's the stuff's pretty pretty out there.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it this way.
Speaker 1: If we already have alien bases that we're manning on Mars, I.
Speaker 3: Guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why Elon Musk has decided to refocus his
efforts from Mars to the Moon, because we already have
stuff there. But like, here's here's a great example. So
there's this device called the DEEMS device, the Divine Evolution
Electromagnetic micro Singularity Device. It sounds I don't know, something
maybe from from Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3: Explain to me what this thing is.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently it's a rod with a crystal or kind
of like a stone taped in a sort of little
pyramid on the end of it, and you know it
heals people. But this is one of chrys Chrys O'Connor's
devices he sells on his website, and there's no health facts.
There's no you know, approval through a government agency. There's
no papers that have done to review its effectiveness to
treat things like cancer or you know, spirit which alignment.
I think it's a few hundred dollars. I'm not quite sure.
I've never bought one, but that's the sort of thing
I mean, like you get into with these this side
of ufology, you get into sort of the crystal hippie, right,
you know group, And there's nothing wrong with that, you know, Like,
I think gems and crystals are pretty to look at.
But when you're saying that it's going to heal some
kind of major ailment, you should be getting a professional
to look at at it in a hospital setting. I
think that's that's where it gets dangerous.
Speaker 3: I would agree that definitely gets dangerous.
Speaker 1: I mean, listening to how you describe it, it sounds
like something they might have pulled from an Indiana Jones film.
It just smells smells of a grift. So I love
how you interview these two folks. What was it actually
likes sitting in your chair across from these two people
who are telling you that they spent twenty years in
a classified space program and had their memory wipe. Walk
us through what that was like and what's going on
through your head while they're telling you this. Because the thing,
I'm the thing I was really impressed with was you
were keeping a straight face during the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I would have lost it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's you know, I think they're nice guys.
I think that They're used to speaking to people that
believe in completely believe everything they're saying, and there is
a large group that do believe this stuff. To each
their own, right, But I just wanted to sit through
their storytelling and bring that to a broader audience outside
of the networks that usually promote their stuff, right, because look,
we live in a world of free speech. We live
in a world of public record and the ability to
have a conversation about sensational claims. And that's all I'm
kind of offering with my expose.
Speaker 1: When you're interviewing them, did you ever find yourself almost
believing them in any particular moment, or what's going through
your head is like, oh my god, this is just
a load of bullshit.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't believe any of it.
Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, I certainly certainly understand that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great, And I love the little kind
of like sound effects and cuta ways that you do
that just that just add it really reinforces the story
that this is truly some kind of grift. Now, one
thing that we hear throughout the film or what these
two people talked about, is this twenty and back claim.
It comes out comes up throughout the film, explain to
someone what twenty in back means people that have never
heard it. It was the first time I had ever
heard it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it became famous through Cory Good who was
the premier secret space astronaut soldier guy that was launched
on Guya TV through a TV show that David Wilcock
hosted called Cosmic Disclosure. We cover all that in the
first Dark Lion series that we released, But essentially, you know,
you've got this guy that says, I remember being active
as an astronaut and soldier in space, fighting draco reptilians
and being a part of a galactic federation of good aliens,
that you are here to protect Earth with the Spear
Alliance and stuff like that, you know, talking about tales
of being on Mars, on the Moon, alien bases, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But then you say, how can you prove this? Well,
here's the thing. The government, the military that's connected to
that has this high technology that allows you to do
those missions in space for twenty years active service, and
then when you come back to Earth, you finished your term,
your tour of duty, your age regressed back into a
body of the original sixteen year old that you were
before you left, and then you can live out your
normy life here on the planet.
Speaker 3: But you've forgotten about us.
Speaker 2: But you've forgotten mostly about it because they've done such
a great job of mind wiping you Men in Black style, right,
the movie Men in Black. So you know it makes
somebody like buzz Aldrin, Ryan Graves, you know, Senator Mark Kelly,
look like they are nothing. They've done nothing with their lives.
They are boring, and these guys are the real deal.
They should be elected to office and be the president
of the United States.
Speaker 3: Of course, or worked for Elon Musk. Yeah, it's nuts. Now.
Speaker 1: One of the things I loved about the very beginning
of the film is this kind of stage effect that
you have where you make an observation that if your neighbor,
like sitting on the other side of the fence, your
neighbor said some of these things, you'd be thinking, you
know what, my neighbor is effing crazy. But you know,
you put him on the stage, put him on a
stage with a crowd and hushed tones, and he's all
serious and stuff, and suddenly he's an international hero hero.
Speaker 3: So what is happening there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like the falsifiability test, and Richard Dolan
spokes speaks to it, and you know, it's essentially saying like,
if you have no proof, if you have no data
to provide to back up your claims, what are you
even doing? And you know, this subject is already tenuous
and hard for the normis and mainstreamers to take seriously,
right when you have whole outfits and circle jerks going
on that promote all of this stuff very heavily to
the community in ufology, Let's say, Ah, it muddies the
waters and it really makes this subject not push forward
as easily, you know what I mean, It becomes a
trap in which you can i'd say more easily debunk
and look like I believe experiencers. I've spoken Travis Walton,
I've spoken to you know, many people that have said
they've been abducted, and I believe there's stories right me too.
But the difference between their stories is that they say, look,
I'm not quite sure where the these beings are from.
I don't know the whole story of what that background
is there. So they don't become like these prophets or
these like you know, cult leaders. After that, they just say,
this extraordinary thing happened to me, and you know, this
is what I can tell you about the event, right,
Whereas these people say, I know, you know these beings
are from this galaxy of Andromeda, or I know that
these beings are from here, and they mean this, and
they're part of a galactic Federation. The Galactic Federation is
straight out of Star Trek, you know, and other popular
sci fi literature, and it was launched softly with the
sort of Space Brothers era of eupology in the nineteen fifties.
So you know, that's it's hard to sort of say
if that is for sure a real thing to me,
I'm leaning that we can't say for sure that all
these non human intelligence are in league together, or you
know that there is even draco reptiliance. You know, you
have what's his name, Eric Davis. Yeah. Yeah. He was
saying at a conference, like a sort of mock congressional
hearing that was happening in Washington last year, that there's
certain phenotypes, right that have been recorded, and he specifically
says one that may appear kind of reptilian, but does
not denote that it's actually reptilian, you know, just like
might have been a what people believe is a gray
but had some kind of description of a skin type
that looked like scales or something like that. Right, I
believe that, But then you've got people that go forward
and say draco reptilians are here, like something out of
Jupiter Rising, the film with you know, the Watchhwski Family Maid.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Tony rod Riggs specifically. So this is
a man who claims he witnessed human sacrifice in space.
If I were sitting across from him, you know, part
of me would be like, do I have empathy for him?
Speaker 3: Do I empathize with him?
Speaker 1: What was how did you feel about him? Like what
was your sort of personal take on him? Because he
actually comes off as a likable guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's a nice guy. Again, but you know,
I don't believe that he was part of this secret
space program, and I think the sort of human sacrifice thing.
Just so you understand his story a bit better and
maybe your audience people can go and look into it.
He has some books too, if people want to read those,
they're probably pretty interesting. But essentially what his story has
it kind of encapsulates a lot of the dark and
scary things about ufology that people allude to over the
years possibly existing. Right, So let's take for example, Jeffrey Epstein, right,
and human trafficking. That's a real thing, right, I believe, right,
And it's horrible, and there should be justice for the victims,
and these people should go to hell if there is one,
and they should be caught before then and serve time
in some kind of incarceration in jail. What Tony's story
does is it pulls that sort of theme, and he says, well,
I was a slave in one of these sort of
pedophilic Illuminati rings and I saw human sacrifices happening at
that time. So it's like it's like harvesting something that's
out there that's very real that people have been talking
about for a long time, and then kind of putting
it into your super story. Because after he was part
of that, he ended up getting drafted in the secret
space program and did kind of like facilities management, you know,
in space, but was also a slave to a sort
of gray reptilian group that were malevolent up there, and
you know, mind controlled him and raped him and stuff
like that, like really scary stuff, right, So you know
that's for some people, that is the best story that
could be told because it's so out there, it's so
on the fringe. And and if if that's true, then
we're living in like the most evil version of the
matrix possible, right, Sure, but there's no proof and that's
the problem. Yeah, And and I also like see that
a lot of these guys, like even Cory Good for example,
and we tracked this, you know, when he launched his character,
he was talking about all these things that are real,
you know. So in his character's story, he was taken
to an underground base. Underground bases have been covered pretty well,
you know. UAP GERB has a great channel and he
presents a lot of data and evidence of multiple facilities,
probably around just the United States alone. Then Cory Good
was taken off world to you know, underground bases and
space on different planets, the Moon, Mars, whatever. Another guy,
Andrew Bossiago, said that he served in the secret Space
Program alongside Barack Obama. Andrew Bossiago is famous for launching
his persona and his story on guy A TV. You know,
and he was also Jesse Ventura did a really fun
remember he had that reality TV show on I think
it was called true TV called.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, and uh, Andrew Bassiago, you know, got
caught in that TV show Red Handed kind of wine.
Speaker 2: So prom Jesse Ventura, you know, did his thing, like,
you mean to tell me that you've been to Mars
and I've been in fought nom and seen my friends
die face down in the muck and you're fighting on Mars.
And he's alongside Barack Obama or Alongstar Brock Bama and
he says, well, where were you raised? Take us to
the home where where you know you initially had these
programs abduct you and induct you into the secret space
program whatever. So in the show, they go to this
house in California and he's like, yeah, I lived right
in that house over there, and Jesse Ventura goes, Okay,
I'm gonna go knock on the door. And he knocks
on the door. Excuse me, Can you tell me a
bit about the history of this house and whose own it?
And this old lady opens and it's like, well, my
family has and it's been handed down for one hundred
for like over one hundred years or something. And Andrew
Vasiago's standing behind the film crew and they're like, when
did you say you lived here and he's like, oh yeah,
So I mean it's like this is this is how
far these people will.
Speaker 3: Go right insane, insane.
Speaker 1: I want to talk another talk about another guy that
you spend a great deal of time with, Chris O'Connor,
whose real name I think you mentioned this earlier is
Chris Fowler. So this guy goes from being the chairman
of the Palm Springs Film Alliance, like you know, he
has a true legitimate role, to someone who claims that
he spent sixty years on was it Saturn or Saturn's moons?
Speaker 3: What was up with this guy?
Speaker 2: Well, he was more like a I guess a you
and sort of he's keepers slash therapists in space and
people that were coming back from their tour of duty
on the twenty in backs or we're abductees and so on.
He would do sort of counseling for and help them
spiritually and stuff in space. So he worked apparently within
the Galactic Federation and would communicate with the aliens and
they would sit, you know, kind of in that un
sort of style, big circular table and have diplomatic relations
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Amazing when I hear you explain all of this, and
of course hearing it in the film, it just it's like, Wow,
I can't believe people believe this shit. It's truly crazy. Now,
someone in the film challenges one of these super soldiers
to a boxing match for ten thousand dollars, which really
isn't a lot of money if you think about it,
especially I guess if you're in a secret space program,
I would hope that it pays a hell of a
lot better than that. And he does this to test
whether he has superhuman abilities. And you know, I mean, look,
given that President Trump is apparently trying to turn the
White House lawn into a big fight venue for MMA,
maybe there's an opportunity here for them to do this
with a space for super soldiers. But yeah, tell me
about this crazy challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Randy Kramer is this guy that said he
was also in twenty and back space program activities as
a super soldier, and he would he was a soldier
for fighting, you know, and off world, that he was enhanced,
and that he would get into these space battle and
his limbs would get blown off. I asked a lot
of people in the series. I think only a couple
questions can kind of get heard in the documentary, But
I asked people like Jay Widner who knew of him
and interviewed him with his time at Gaya TV, if
Randy Kramer's you know, penis got blown off in any
of these altercations because Randy made a claim that med
beds are real. And when we talk about met webs,
medical beds like medits in short, and what that is
is a secret space program technology in which you lie
in and just like the movie Elysium or the movie
Prometheus or Star Trek, you know, they have biobeds in
that you lie in it and the bed does its
work to repair your whole body and you can just
live flawlessly for the rest of your life because these
med beds are just real, right, He said that, all
these claims. And one of these people that's really spoken
out against these secret space program guys is Steven Cambian.
I mean, he does deserve a trophy, a badge of
honor for calling bullshit on these people for a long
time now. And he was the one that challenged Randy
Kramer to a physical fight, you know, a sanctioned sort
of legal fight in a ring with boxing gloves and
all that Jazz and it never got taken. The offer
was rejected by Randy Kramer as far as I know.
But I think the whole point here just coming back
to President Donald Trum, the really black mirror esque reality
that we're living right now with social media and this
kind of delusional thinking that's being spread in our society.
In twenty twenty six, we show in the documentary that
Donald Trump's truth Social account posted that they were rolling
out nationally medbed hospitals, and we show that in the
documentary that in this AI generated video, like it's pretty
pretty bad, they show med beds that look like they're
pulled out of Star Trek or something, and they say
that the people that sign up for these hospitals will
get a med bed card and they can heal any
ailment and got to they have Trump speaking in AI.
This is in the Randy Kramer section of the documentary,
and Truth Socials admin whoever's running Trump's account, deleted that,
but it was all over Twitter, like you know, you
know how things get kind of like pulled from other
places and then posted. It was shared all over Twitter.
It spread like wildfire, and that is scary that this
sort of delusion is being offered to a very large
political base, and I'm worried that places like Guya TV
that are launching these delusions are literally brainwashing large segments
of the population to believe this stuff. So much so
that there's obviously somebody running a major presidential social social
media account promoting these ideas as true.
Speaker 3: It just blows me a blows me away.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the infrastructure, like, is there
an organized infrastructure behind all of this or is it
more of a kind of self organizing ecosystem of grifters
that sort of just naturally falls into place.
Speaker 2: Well, when I spoke to Jay Widner, the former head
of production at Gaya TV, he has a story that
he's told multiple people other than me that before when
he was building the network at Guya TV, building their productions,
when he initially started with Disclosure. Sorry, yeah, Disclosure was
was the initial series, and that it became Cosmic Disclosure
before it became Cosmic Disclosure, and Corey Good came along.
He said to me that he got a call from
essentially somebody from the CIA, Wow, who didn't you know,
and identified that there's going to be some things that
are coming down the road and he's going to work
with somebody that's going to cause a lot of problems
for him, and that was Corey Good and basically that
he had to just be a sword for this movement,
you know. And Jay was spooked by that because he
looks back and all the things that were sort of
spoken about in that phone call prior to them happening
eventually came to reality. So I wonder, if you know,
part of all of this sort of entertainment empire and
this very circular activity where all these people work together
and promote this stuff, is somewhat a sile.
Speaker 1: When I'm hearing all of this, When I'm hearing what
these folks are saying in the film, I'm like, you know,
to me, it totally smacks a bullshit. But then there
were a couple of points where you're showing some of
these gatherings or seminars or whatnot, and people like standing
up in the audience and they're they're incredibly grateful for
what these folks are doing. Do you think that there
is a type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, that one, Yeah, I was like, holy shit.
Speaker 1: So do you think is there a type of person
or personality who is most vulnerable to this or or
does it generally spread across the board.
Speaker 2: Or were those people paid to do that?
Speaker 3: Ah, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's viral marketing, right. You go to
there are some marketing and experience you would call it
experiential marketing campaigns where people walk through basically demonstrations and
acts at a mall setting, right, And I wonder if
that experiential marketing is kind of built into some of
these presenters audiences, right, like like you and I have
been to contact, if you go see a conference, if
you go see a speaker there there are some moments
of adelation where some people go to the mic and say, hey,
like Graham Hancock, I really appreciate your work and before
my question, I just want to thank you for all
the things you've done before in your history and the
research you've done. That's fine, but they just like, some
of this stuff looks too weird, like to me, But yeah,
that's that is also me characterizing it, right my opinion,
and I don't think like these people. But you have
to realize the other side to the coin there, Matt,
is that there's a large audience for this stuff, and
that's why you have that's why you have six hundred
thousand paid subscribers to per year for a network like
Guya TV, because this is the type of content they want.
And when those conferences open up, they're there and they're
in the audience and they're losing their mind going zany
for these claims that are just completely unproven.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can promise the audience if I see you
in a presentation at you know whatever convention and I
come up to the mic and I thank you for
everything you've done, and I can promise the audience.
Speaker 3: Darcy hasn't paid me a dime for that.
Speaker 1: It is is definitely genuine, but it makes sense that
it almost sort of sounds like like what you would
see with a professional magic act, where you put these
shills in the audience to you know, to perform some
kind of some kind of function. But yeah, that lady,
I was like, oh wow, she's something's going on there.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about him a shit. I'm horrible
with these names, is that right?
Speaker 1: I'm as hi am Ashad okay, because this guy is
where the film takes a turn that I found really
kind of unsettling, and for people don't know who don't
know who he is, set set up, set up this
guy's story for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to remember all of his credentials, but
essentially he ran the Israeli's space Force for lack of
a better word, for like almost twenty years.
Speaker 3: And that's a fact. That's not like a rumor or
anything like that. That's verifiable.
Speaker 2: That's a fact. And I was, you know, somebody I
spoke to about the sort of secret space program stuff
and the claims of a galactic federation. Uh, and that
being problematic was Dave Foley, Canadian comedian and accent on
the Yeah, great guy, but you know, I'm just saying, Uh.
I had a personal conversation with him over the phone
when I was making this documentary, and I hope he
remembers that, but I said, you know, I don't believe
his galactic federation and sort of secret space program stuff.
And he said, well, you know, there is high mashed.
And that ends up being the reaction for a lot
of these people that believe that there is some kind
of proof. They always point to haunt hi mashed as
being the you know, pivotal moment of truth in terms
of uh proving that this this stuff all exists, and
I reached out to him Ashed's team. They rejected any
comment on that. They don't speak about that anymore. Apparently,
and as one might note, especially with the Epstein files
being a big problem right now, Mausad might have been
connected to Jeffrey Epstein. Wow. OK. And and you know,
my worry is that heim Ashed's public proclamation about Trump
admitting that there's a galactic federation and you know that
there's all these aliens out there that we are in
league with and have been for a long time. I
worry that that is a psyop from a foreign intelligence agency.
And look, I've said this before. If you look at
Donald Trump's proclamations recently in the past two years, especially
leading up to him becoming elected. He went on Joe
Rogan and he said, I've spoken of pilots and credible
observers of UAP and UFO activity, and he says, I
believe them, but I don't believe that there's aliens for real,
ufolks like that is his stance. He is never validated
that there's a galactic federation of aliens and that there's
a secret space program in which we're in league with them.
You know, so it's and then even Richard Dolan gives
flavor to that sort of story right in the documentary
Dark Alliance The Next Generation, he basically said, it's like,
if you start talking about Galactic Federation, you're basically coming
from like a background that's very wu and there's no
proof to it, right, And he worries that maybe I'm
ashed is either being confused because he believes in ufology
and he might have access during his space you know,
service for the Israelis Space Administration. Let's say he might
have had had access to the truth about UFOs, but
he's going three or four steps beyond that and saying, well,
it must be this, right, and now he won't speak
about that because either he can't prove it or he's
changed his mind about that proclamation. Right. So that's pretty
much what we present in the documentary about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's just insane.
Speaker 1: So, you know, we're we're living in a moment where
the US government has actually held congressional hearings on UAPs.
Speaker 3: I think we've had what three of these.
Speaker 1: You have credible whistleblowers that have testified under oath in
front of Congress. How does what you document in this
film relate to that more official conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just saying, like, the conversation is
very broad at this point, and people are capitalizing on
the idea that new folks are coming to this conversation
every day. I think P. T. Barnum said, a sucker
is born every minute, right. So when you have an
environment where people are caught up in the awe and
wonder of u UAPs and a possible reality of non
human intelligence that has visited our planet, then they can
get taken or swept up in what these other people
are saying and what these other entertainers and entertainment networks
are promoting. And so I guess you know, I'm basically
just saying you've got to step back and observe what
all that activity is, and then also what all the
other activity is in Congress and sort of say to
yourself what seems more real?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And do you do you think that the existence of
real congressional hearings with real whistleblowers does that make the
grifters more or less powerful?
Speaker 2: Makes them more powerful because people are then like like, Wow,
who else is a whistleblower? And these guys go, hey,
I am, come listen to me, and then you're taking
down this other path, right, So that is a worry.
That is a problem if we're going to like continue
to keep this conversation legit, you know, where how are
people vetting their sources? How are people you know, trying
to keep this a serious conversation that can be eventually
adopted by mainstream science as a you know, real topic
of discussion in universities and in the mainstream media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I.
Speaker 1: Think that what what these folks end up doing really
is they they poison the well.
Speaker 3: You know, this grift community.
Speaker 1: They're actually making it harder for legitimate UFO research and
disclosure to happen. And of course politicians I would think
as well, if they think that you've got all these
kooks running around saying these things, and they may be
less apt to want to have more hearing. So it
seems like it's really doing a disservice for the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, you would agree with that, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, so, yeah, that could be the net negative effect
of some of this discussion that's happening. And also if
you look at what a lot of those thought leaders
are doing on social media, they're attacking anybody that comes
forward in that sort of mainstream congressional hearing setting. So
you know, you get Sala posting about luel Zondo being
a disinformation agent, and you know, nothing he's saying is true. Meanwhile,
today I'll read verbatim what Michael Sala posted on his
telegram channel. Okay, Trump, the Galactic Federation and three i
at lists is world piece the key to disclosure. Trump
is going to, you know, apparently make proclamations that the
Galactic Federation is here, you know, and three iye at
lists was part of that. So of course, you know
they offer this truth. But then anybody else that's coming
forward that might have been from some kind of government
official background, they're just seeded into the community to spread disinformation, right,
and you know, some will prop up others, but for
the most part they part of that circular discussion that
we were talking about where they're all reporting each other.
A guy like this will look at, well, what is
Stephen Greer saying about this? Okay, I'm going to post
the same sort of thing, you know what I mean.
So they're all part of that sphere, and Stephen Greer
is at the very top of the gay a circus.
Speaker 1: He certainly seems he certainly seems to be one of
the things that I've always noticed about Greer, and I
choose not to really talk about him much on the show.
Is again you have this guy who's going out and saying, oh, yeah,
you know, these things are all here in peace, they're
from a planet p and all this kind of stuff,
and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, how do you know all of this?
Speaker 1: It's like, do you really know all this or are
you just making this stuff up? Now, after two plus
hours of conferences, super soldiers, boxing challenges, and a device
with the diamonds in it? What do you want people
to walk away from this film? Actually walk away from
this film actually doing differently.
Speaker 2: Well. Definitely try to remain skeptical of some of these
more sensational claims, because unless they can be proven, I mean,
the super conspiracy types that are already lost in this information,
they will say, you know, well, you know there's such
thing as sheep dipping and removing people's backgrounds and all that,
And I agree that is something that's real. But if
somebody is taking advantage of your mind, they're going to
use that very real thing, and they're going to use
it to their benefit to infuse or take advantage of you.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I couldn't agree more. So here's a question
for you.
Speaker 1: You have interviewed of people really great, really great interview
I love your interviewing style and the storytelling that.
Speaker 3: You do when you when you lead an interview.
Speaker 1: If a genuine alien, not a guy at a conference
claiming to Channel one, but an actual extraterrestrial, a gray
or whatever, showed up and wanted to do an interview
on your show, your whatever documentary you're working on, what's
the first question you would ask this?
Speaker 2: N Hi, why are you here? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think my question would be, was President Barack Obama
on the Moon serving on.
Speaker 3: The on the Space Force?
Speaker 1: That's a That's what it would That's what I would
probably ask. But but anyways, so, Darsha, what's what's next
for you? Are you going to dig deeper into this
world or is there or is this this particular episode
the final chapter with this next generation?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm trying to build a story that's kind
of within the same vein, and it's based on a
murder that has happened, so it's a little bit darker
and shows how far these tales can go in a
real way. And then I am working on another story
with some scientists that want to sort of propose that
maybe there's a different side to this phenomenon that people
aren't examining as closely as the extraterrestrial theory. So I'll
kind of just say that those are my two major
projects for the end of twenty twenty six twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that, and I love your work. And folks,
if you have not seen any of Darcy's just wonderful documentaries,
you're you're missing out.
Speaker 3: Where where can people find most of your work, if
not all of it?
Speaker 1: Is it all on one platform like Apple TV, or
is it sort of spread out.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit spread out. But if people want
to see these stories in the Dark Alliance series, they'll
see the links in the show description below. And you know,
one part of it is completely free to watch with
ads on two B TV. The other part is available
on Apple TV, and I think eventually it's going to
come to Fossom, but I just don't have a link
for that yet. Then most of my films, if you
just search my name Darcy Weir on two B TV, Amazon, Prime.
You know YouTube movies. There's a bunch of free options
on those platforms. Yeah, and I have a new podcast
if people want to just listen to something while they're
driving to work or you know, pumping some heavy iron
or something. It's UFO Review and I'm just discussing reviewing
previous themes and documentaries that I've made and the people
have spoken to and the story behind making the film.
And yeah, I'm doing something every month, so I'm on Spotify,
Apple iTunes and all that stuff too.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. Well.
Speaker 1: Well, Darcy, hey, you know if President Trump with this
MMA fight that he's going to hold in front of
the in front of the White House, if we find
out that one of these Secret Space super Soldiers is
going to be in the match, let's you when I.
Speaker 3: Go to d C, that'd be great, dude.
Speaker 2: I'll bet he's going to win for sure.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, Darcy. Well, thanks for joining us and
looking forward to your next film.
Speaker 2: Thank you, and I'll see at Contact in the Desert.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Darcy, and we will see you
again soon.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.