Speaker 1: The following presentation Isndel Marvis Studio's production.
Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is
your host, George Hobbs. Welcome back truth seekers from around
the world. It's time for another edition of the fact
Hunter podcast. As we record on this Monday, April sixth,
twenty twenty six. We have a very interesting topic today,
and I think we have broached it once or twice
over the last five or six years. I think we've
had a guest or two who have come on and
given their thoughts on this, and I wanted to start
with this. There's always been, you know, this tension between
the authority of God and the authority of earthly governments.
As Christians, as followers of Christ, we believe our rights
ultimately come from God, not from men, not from core,
not from constitutions. The Scripture tells us that we are
created in the image of God, endowed with dignity, conscience,
and moral responsibility. At the same time, the Bible does
teach that governments exist by God's permission to maintain order
in a fallen world. So that does create an important
question when do we submit and when do we stand up?
Romans thirteen, which is cited all the time. I was
talking to Matthew before we hit the record button. Chuck
Baldwin has an awesome multi video series on Romans thirteen
really lays it out well. If I remember, I'll link
that in the show notes as well. But you know,
also there's several other scriptures that we could cite, right
Acts five twenty nine that records the Apostle saying that
we auto obate God rather than man. So these truths
are not contradictions. They formed the boundary line. So when
government operates within its God ordained role of justice and
order Christians, I think people would say, sure, we can
submit in good conscience. But boy, when you reflect on
the history of this country, you know, and you see
all the laws that conflict with God's commands believers throughout
the sixty five hundred Yearish history here on earth, have
you know stood up? You look at the Hebrew midwives
defying Pharaoh Daniel, praying despite the king's decree. The famous
one polycarp right eighty six years old, and they say, hey,
just you know, Hail Caesar, and we'll move on with
their day. And he said, no, the Lord has had
my back for eighty six years. I'm not going to
turn on him now. And they killed him just because
he refused to obey a law that was the law
at the time. The early Church refused to worship Caesar
and it had consequences. Their loyalty to God came first.
So today our guest is Matthew and his YouTube channel
is called the Armed National. We're talking about those things.
Where do our God given rights speak in? Where does
civil authority end? Not only that, but what can we do?
So many of us are caught in this web where
I think many of us are like conservative backgrounds, and
I think a lot of us and I'm not speaking
for you, Matthew before I bring you on, but a
lot of us like we're conned by Trump right twenty sixteen,
they put us that, they put him against the most
evil woman in the world, and we were going to
make America great again, and we were going to end
wars and taxes, we were going to get doze checks
and all of these other things, and of course, you know,
nothing happens. So these are important questions we should ask.
Right should we think about sovereignty? How should we think
about freedom and obedience in a world where legal systems
and biblical principles, pardon me, don't always align. So with
all that being said, again, I want to welcome our
guest today. It's Matthew from the Armed National YouTube channel.
The links to his YouTube channel and his email will
be in the show notes as always. What do you say, Matthew?
It's good to see again.
Speaker 1: Brother, Good to see you too. How you doing good?
Speaker 2: Good? You know? Would you like to first introduce yourself
and then kind of your thoughts on what I had
just kind of thrown out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure. So my name is Matthew. I'm in Tennessee,
and I've been studying into this kind of journey of
state citizenship and our American government for about almost the
last three and a half four years now, and I'm
just trying best to I've just recently started a series
on my YouTube channel. I've only done an introduction so far,
but I'm going to be uploading a lot more on
the process of my journey, what I've done, what I've
come across, what worked, what hasn't, my experiences and things
like that, just to help a lot of other people
kind of understand what our government is and what they've
done and the steps we can actually take, as you know,
free men and women here on this land and soil,
to still be relatively a bit more free than typically
we're allowed to based on the privileges that they've given us,
and change the constitution, et etcetera. So so, yeah, that's
basically my kind of goal on that YouTube channel. And yeah,
I mean where exactly would you like me to start,
because it's quite a lot of information. I've tried to
condense it as best I can, But yeah, do you
have any questions to start off with?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the first question would be was
there a particular event or did you just see the
world in a different way? I guess what started your
journey into this? And is sovereign citizen? Is that the
correct terminology?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, because sovereign citizen is an oxymoron in the
sense that it gets a little complicated because like if
you look up the term citizen and legallyese, it kind
of comes down to like a slave. But it's very
important to make the clear distinction that in our Constitution
has penned in the articles and everything. We were first
called citizen of the United States of America. That's very
different to what we're called today as a US citizen,
So there are two different distinctions. And back then it
was meant to be freedom. We were sovereign. We were
all considered sovereign. We were not lesser than the king
and everything when we resisted against the crown all that.
So I'll go into that a little bit late in
terms of the differences between the meanings of person, individual,
citizen and why I used the term state citizen of
you know, your state for United States of America. But
I'll still tell people I'm a citizen of the United
States of America. You basically just don't want to say
you're a US citizen or Fourteenth Amendment citizen, that those
are fraudulent. The others in the Constitution and everything else,
that's technically what we are.
Speaker 2: So what started your journey into all this again? Was
there one particular event or was it just a frustration
of seeing the way our world was going? What led
you into researching it?
Speaker 1: Was definitely both. But I think the older I got
and the more I got into studying freedom, liberties and
slavery and just history in general, I've started to understand
that what we're told in history is not necessarily the truth,
and usually it's the victims that write the story, and
it's his story, not ours, and uh, you know, it's
kind of hard to decipher through all of that. But
when you look into the even just the origins of
the American government and our American country, even with what
they've given us, you can tell that we do not
actually have the freedoms and liberties that we've been promised
not only by in our you know, constitution and everything
from my founding fathers, but they got those from God's
law and the Bible. So we have these rights by birth,
by from God, not from government. And I think that
kind of distinction that I made as I got older
and really like trying to think of things and seeing
that the world's not what it seems, I had to
start looking deeper into things, and I come to realize,
basically everything that you're taught about history and government and
America has basically been inverted and it's upside down. And
they've convinced all of us to say that we're one
thing when we're not, and they changed it since birth, basically,
And that's kind of where I've come to that. But
I think to give you a specific event, I guess
I'd have to pinpoint it on COVID for sure, because
that kind of sparked my rage, to put it lightly,
and it made me. It forced me to really learn
my rights as a person. And the more I dived
into learning my rights during COVID, the more I actually realized, Oh,
it's not just a right to breathe and not wear
a mask, or a right to body the autonomy and
not get vaccinated. It's a right to live as a
free human man or woman based on what God gave
us our creation and everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's all great. And you know, I always
say that the Deckler and not the Constitution. Pardon me.
It is a great document on paper sands the original document.
Let me just say that, not all the additions. But
even so, a constitution is a binding agreement between a
government and its people, and they haven't honored that document
and I don't know how long. Obviously the biggest blow
would have been I know a lot of what you're
talking about today is based on the I think it's
called the Washington, DC Organic Act of eighteen seventy one. Right,
that's really where the United States government went public, almost
became a corporation. I guess went private would be the
correct terminology, but I still think before that a lot
of our history was a lie. It was founded by Freemasons.
This country was founded by Freemasons, even the Paul Revere,
the infamous, the British are coming and the folks who
did the Boston Tea Party that was arranged by Freemasons.
And when you read the Articles of Confederation, which was
the original document that they were using you to govern,
the thirteen Copies, it was a great document because there
was no real central authority with any power, and the
Constitution usurped that. And what we see today is, I mean,
the federal government is the largest employer in the country.
Then the state has so many employees. And over the
last you know, ever since the Fed so that was
nineteen thirteen, the last one hundred and thirteen years, we've
become a welfare society and at some point it's going
to collapse, and when it does collapse, it's going to
be ugly. So with all that being said, when you
hear state citizen sovereign citizen, people react in a certain way.
There's even some channels on YouTube that is just dedicated
to mocking people who want to get outside of the system.
When I think, to a certain extent this should be
championing because you're so dedicated to your individual freedom that
you're literally and I'm not over you know, stating this
is that you're willing to risk your freedom in order
to stand up and make a stand. Am I wrong
on that? I?
Speaker 1: No, you're correct on that. I've even gone a step
further where I don't pay ftal taxes or state taxes anymore.
I did it legally and lawfully. But that doesn't mean
those corrupt government officials still trying to encourage their tyranny.
So and yeah, you're correct in everything you've said in
terms of like back from eighteen seventy one, that's basically
our country kind of went severely downhill during the times
of Abraham Lincoln. And you know, Thirteenth Amendment was what
made everyone equally like actually free, but the fourteenth Amendment
made everyone equally a slave. And that's a lot of things.
That's an important thing to point out because a lot
of people don't realize that and just how detrimental Abraham
Lincoln was too country and that was during the time
of the slaughter House cases and a bunch of other
stuff that if you haven't read the slaughter House Cases before,
I recommend looking into that because you will learn a
lot that you did not realize about our American past history.
But for I guess for a lot of the people
listening and kind of hearing this the first time, or
they're not really sure what I'm talking about. To kind
of really make this simplified, just to start off, it
would help to say that from eighteen seventy one, I
would say, from seventeen seventy six, and we kind of
declared our you know, independence, so to say, and we
did the Decoration of Independence, and I founding fathers wrote
that from seventeen seventy six up until eighteen seventy one,
we were more or less considered totally free. We are
a sovereign We our own, our own individual men and
woman doing what we wanted. We had our land, we
did what we want, we fought back, we you know,
we stood up for what we believed we had our
rights and everything. But when eighteen seventy one came around,
it basically created a corporation and it federalized the entire
country of America. So it split off into two branches
of government, you have the dejour government, which is the private,
which is basically our constitution, us our sovereignty, our individual
sovereignty where we're not ruled by anybody. We're our own person,
our own I would say, I don't even want to
use that word either, but our own free men or
free women, our own individual, you know, created by God.
And then from eighteen seventy one onwards, it created a
de facto government, which is what we are in today.
So since eighteen seventy one, all the way up till now,
we are still living by and large, about ninety eight
percent of the whole entire population of America is living
in the de facto government, which is just a corporation.
So this is how they can tweak the constitution and
policies and statutes and codes and everything you can possibly
think of and still technically get away with it, because
every state has its own constitution pre eighteen seventy one,
and then every single state has additional ones amended and
added on post eighteen seventy one, and everyone is operating
off the post eighteen seventy one constitutions for their respective state.
And that is why people are getting, you know, put
in their jurisdiction to have to obey these unjust laws,
and you know, apply for licenses, permits and get permission
to do things, because that's what a permit or a
license is. It grants you permission to do something that
otherwise would have been totally free to do. You're just
having to do it because agoment told you too so,
and you can't do this unless you are within their jurisdiction.
And during eighteen seventy one, the Againic Act that you
were talking about, that is when the whole entire government decided,
we don't want everyone to be free, we need to
have some sort of over this. So they initiated that.
And what that did was meant from every person who
was born from eighteen seventy one onwards, they created a
system of generating them a birth certificate so they could
technically or register you into the jurisdiction of the Washington
District of Columbia, which is only like ten square miles.
So that's basically what's happened, because before then it was
just a birth of record or just oh yeah, i'm alive,
I'm a living man or woman. I'm right here. You
can physically see me. But you know, before then they
would have records of stuff like that in Rome, whatever,
but like in America, it was just you're born, you live,
you die, that's it. You're free. But they didn't want that.
So that's basically kind of how it progressed. Tried to
summarize that best I could, but yeah.
Speaker 2: No, you did really well. Yeah, that's interesting. The Slaughterhouse cases.
That was a landmark US Supreme Court decision which ruled
pardon me that the privileges or immunity clauses of the
Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution only protects the legal
rights that are associated with federal US citizenship, not those
that pertain to state citizenship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of the few documents that actually shows
an actual, physical, like evidence based distinction between state citizens
and US citizens because people say, oh, it doesn't exist.
State citizens are just people, you know, pretending, But it's
it's very clearly there in the Supreme Court cases in
our history. So people who say that it isn't or
it doesn't exist, they just haven't learned the history properly.
So that's why I reference that because it's very important
to understand that it is a proper term and it's
what we were called before, the citizen of the United
States of America and all that stuff, and you know,
US citizen in all caps and Fourteenth Amendment citizen. Those
two things are fraudulent and they're fictional. They're all corporations.
They're basically saying you're you're you and I were a
corporate entity on paper, even though we're a living man
or woman's right. You know, it's what people refer to
as like a straw man or an anes leigas. You know,
that's basically what that is.
Speaker 2: So when someone asked you, you had mentioned earlier that
you're you say, you're a citizen of the United States
of America. But are you also as a citizen of
your state or you know, when you go through all
of this paperwork like you did, Well, what's the difference
between you saying that you're you're a citizen of the
United States of America or you're a citizen like myself
in Delaware or Hawaii or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Everyone, whatever state you're born in, you're a state
citizen of that state, that Republic state. So I'm a
state citizen of the Republic state of Tennessee. All right,
But you're also as an American born on the land
in soil the fifty states. You are a citizen of
the United States of America as penned in the Constitution,
even pre eighteen seventy one when that was coined in,
that's the term, that was the proper term. The problem
is nowadays post eighteen seventy one, that the government uses
the term US citizen and all caps or Fourteenth Amendment citizen,
and that's connected to a solid Security number which they
generate for you without your consent on birth as well,
and that ties you in further to their jurisdiction. So
everyone has been duped to believe, Oh, are you a
US citizen? Tick yes? And they tick yes on the
W four, the W nine, ten ninety nine work, whatever
it is you know to register to vote. Are you
a US citizen? Well you're supposed to tick no and
say you're a citizen of the United States of America
because only citizens of the United States of America can
technically vote. But everyone who's tacking yes to the US
citizen on those things, they're saying they're a US citizen
or Fourteenth Amendment citizen just voting for a CEO of
the corporate business of United States District of Columbia. That's
basically that distinction there. They're just basically they've you know, manipulation.
They've convinced people and coerced them to believing that this
is their lie, their truth, their entire life from birth
up till now. So no one really knows any difference
any different until you actually do the research and look
back and go, oh, this isn't correct, and then you
have to go correct your status and tell the US
Department of State I learned all this, this is all incorrect.
I don't want to commit perjury anymore because now I
know this to be true. I need this corrected to
state citizen to reflect that instead of being a US
citizen because I'm not that anymore. I realized I'm this
because I was born in this land, and that's that.
That's basically what you do.
Speaker 2: So I was doing some research. I want to start
with birth certificates, if you will. They didn't even start
here in this country tracking berths until interesting enough, right
about that time between eighteen sixty eighteen seventy. Nationwide standard
birth registration wasn't established until the early nineteen hundreds, the
date that really stood out to me. All states had
to comply by nineteen thirty three, which is basically when
the New Deal and everything else took off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no coincidence, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely So. I've heard from people saying that when
you're born, obviously the birth certificate is printed out, but
then you become a commodity or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: Have you heard that, Yes, there's there's okay, so part
of that matters, part of it doesn't matter at all.
And what I mean by that is, when we're born,
we get a birth of record, and that would basically
be your ultimate document. Unfortunately we don't get given that anymore.
The hospital keeps it. They can give you a copy
if you request it, if your parents request it, but
then they turn that birth of record into a certificate
of live birth or also known as a long form
birth certificate. It's going to have all the information on it.
I've got a couple of myself. I got copies from
my local county because I was born here in the
city I now live in, so I can just walk
in and get it. If you can't walk in and
get it in the place that you were born, so
you moved into the state, you just go on vital
records and you can check that and actually get copies
sent to you with all this information on. It has
a bunch more information. It's spelled almost the size of
an A four page because normally they'll give you a
short firm birth certificate, which is just a condensed, smaller
little piece of paper with a little seal on it
saying you're good to go, you're a life. But it's
just yeah. But what's important is on that certificate of
live birth or that long form birth certificate. It has
the differences between your date of birth. The living man
a woman like I'll have my birth on it. I'll
use my different birth name, so birth date say I
was born on May fifteenth, nineteen ninety two. But then
I'll have another date on it, saying registrar date. It's
the date that the registrar. When you have to look
up that word too, it basically means someone who's in
control of another person and that that registrar and legal
ease is important because that gives you the date that
your straw man or your ahns legis was fraudulently created
without your consent. So it's usually a couple of days
after your birth date or up to a week. Mine
was just two days after my original birth date. So
let's say mine was May seventeenth, and it has the
registrar date May seventeenth on it. That was the birthdate
of my ansligas, my all caps named my straw man,
my fictional entity, the corporation of the person. All right,
and it's important to go I could quickly I think
I have this written written down somewhere, because it'll be
important to just quickly go into some definitions for that.
Let's see. Yeah, so I spent quite a bit of
money on Black Slaw dictionaries because those are very important
to understanding legal ees in terms of law and the
legalities of the system. And you don't really if you
look up these words person on Google, it's only going
to give you the you know, Wikipedia or the Basic
Dictionary words that were using today. But in Black Slaw Dictionary,
fourth Edition, the word person means a man considered according
to the rank he holds in society, with all the
right to which place he holds, entities him and the
duties which which it imposes. And it talks about how
the person can also be like an entity, a corporation
or a business as well, or a trust, and a
lot of people don't realize that that's the case because
that kind of what's what that long form birth certificate does.
In that RESISTRAR date, it's turning you from a living
man or a living woman into a person which is
a fictional business entity or a corporation. And then from
that they can connect the Social Security number that they
give you if your parent asks for it or consents
to having them issued one, and that ties you in
because in law, a living man a woman cannot actually
be taxed. We can't be forced to do things because
it would be slavery. But in law they can tax
a business or corporation. So all they've done is change
the legalities through that to force people into paying taxes
and stuff.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting. You laid it out very clearly and
it makes a lot of sense. And it's not a
coincidence that ninety five percent of the politicians in Washington,
DC are lawyers. Right, They're not plumbers, they're not business
I mean there's a few businessmen, but most of them
have these law backgrounds. And it's all of these loopholes
that are used to inject into this country to get
people to believe that they're doing there right. It's you know,
we're a citizen of the US. It's our duty and
our responsibility to pay for our cars to be registered,
whatever that means. I remember moving back to Delaware and
paying twelve hundred dollars for my ten year old truck
to be registered. And every two years the government has
to say, yes, your car's safe, and you have to
pay for your tags, and you have to buy a
license to go fishing. And again, I think there's nothing
wrong with having a community agreement with hey, maybe we
shouldn't drive faster than thirty five miles an hour in
this street, or you know those kind of laws, and yes,
maybe we should all pitch into help with this or that.
But when you have a government that is central, that
is untouchable, that is basically a mafia run type of entity,
and you have no way of accountability, I think there
comes a point where we all have to stop and
say we can't keep just passing the buck to the
next generation. I think we have to do something. Just
look what's going on in the world today. We're bombing
Iran because well depends on which you know, we've gotten
seventeen different answers. We've been bombing the Middle East for
thirty five years. We claim to be one nation under
a God, but you look what goes on in this country.
I question that, And you know, I think this is
important that we take this subject seriously. So you know,
back to you, Matthew, where do people start? Where do
they look? And how do they know that the guidance
that they're getting is actual true guidance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a lot to go into. And I
would say before I actually took physical action to get
a new passport, a diplomatic US passport, get my status
collected to the US Department of State, and also stop
doing federal taxes, I studied it for over three years.
So I will say that knowledge is very important, and
you need to put in the time and the effort
and actually have the will to understand our history and
really understand all of these terms and everything that the
US government has done, because what is that One of
My favorite Bible verses is Proverbs three thirteen. It says
happy is the man that findeth wisdom and the man
that getteth understanding. And I can honestly say that before
knowing all of this, I wasn't as happy as I
thought I knew I could have been, because I feel
like God has put us on this earth to enjoy
His creation and to live and prosper and you know,
be fruitful and multiply. That is what he commands us
to do, and it's important to I know that's going
to be a lot of peopleeople who may not be
necessarily religious, but I will say that if you go
deep into this rabbit hole and understanding of the US government,
there is no way to deny that all our freedoms, liberties,
and rights has come from the Bible itself, and that
is what this country has founded off. Whether you're an
atheist or not, that's something you will have to come
to terms with. If you want to truly be more
free in this country, you will have to understand the
origins of that. And that has just led me down
that path as understanding that you're going to have to
You're going to have to put some time into this,
and you're going to have to reflect and allow yourself
to be humbled quite a bit to listen to what's
being told and what's in the Bible and what's in
the laws and the Constitution and what all of that details.
And once you're you think you're ready to take on
that monumental task, you're just going to have to take
a step step And I would start getting your diplomatic
US passport first. That takes about when you understand how
to do everything. It only takes about three weeks to
expedite it. And once you get that that, actually you
are technically the most free you can be in this country.
Now you have to understand all of the laws and
how to enforce those laws and your rights once you
have them, Otherwise you'll just get trampled over and end
up doing whatever you're told anyway. So that's the big distinction.
So I would say, you know, start with asking yourself
if you're truly ready to be fully responsible for your
self and your freedom, and if you can answer that honestly,
then start looking into how to get the passport. And
then you just need to take your time and reflect
on that. And I would definitely, especially if you're a
religious person, just pray to God and ask for guidance,
because he will guide you and chill you the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point you had mentioned earlier about
the nation's founding. Somebody mentioned me a while ago, and
I find it fascinating. Article eleven of the seventeen ninety
seven Treaty of Tripoli, which was written by Joel Barlow
eventually signed by President John Adams in seventeen ninety ninety seven,
basically saying that you know, this nation wasn't founded, you
know under you know, as a Christian nation. I had
it in front of me just a second ago. Now
I can't find where I had it, but I've mentioned
it on this podcast before. I think most people are
aware that that treaty, which again it was piracy and
everything else. I think there was even slavery involved in it.
But that document article Leedden eleven says that we weren't
founded as a Christian nation. Have you seen that document?
I've may have mentioned it the that's time we talked.
Speaker 1: H Yeah, I've heard about that document and I haven't
fully looked into it, but I am aware of stuff
like that, especially like even George Washington was a Freemason. Yeah.
So it's one of those things where you look at
all the principles and everything of our constitution and stuff,
and how our finding fathers did put God into it
and everything. But the problem is there's just so many
layers of deception, and you know, it's hard. You have
to stay focused. That's why I'm saying for people who
truly want to do this, I do strongly believe that
the focus needs to be God first, because if he's not,
you can get trapped and lost in a bunch of
these other, you know, quack job people who are saying,
do this to get your freedom, or pay me a
thousand dollars for this course, and then you kind of
get wrapped into a whole sea of fantasy where it's like, cool,
I don't have to do anything up again, I'm totally free.
It's like, well, not really. You have to learn, like
God put us on this earth. It's it's it's a
it's a big test, and we can't just like blindly
do things without thinking. We have to really think about
what we're doing and what it means for us to
you know, do this whole process. So I just think
in nowadays time, this is one of the best things
you can do to become the most quote unquote free. Obviously,
we're never going to fully be free until we get
to heaven, but that's just in terms of this topic,
the state's citizenship. It is very, very possible for someone
who wants to do that and live a more free life.
And I will say I've been doing this now for
it's been almost four years, but I've been studying it,
but I've been living this for almost half a year,
and my life has been insurmountably better in every way
I can possibly think of, even conversing with police, not
doing federal taxes anymore, talking to my accountant, set payroll
and form them about the laws, showing them the laws,
showing them things. I've won three civil cases so far
as well, just because I've been able to exercise the law.
I haven't needed an attorney. I just use myself. Like
you learn a lot how to handle yourself and become
more free, and I think that is what is very
attracted to a lot of people. You just have to
realize that do you want it or do you want
to be taken care of by the government is kind
of what it bloils down to.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting. So again, when you talk about this,
is this just strictly to do with the federal government
or your state's right as well? Like I've seen many
people who say they don't get a driver's license, the
tags and all of this other stuff that does that
extend to that as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, it can extend to as many things as you
want it to. I am I'd say about seventy percent
of the way there to getting rid of my license
plate and my driver's license because I realized that it's
just another contract that locks you into the jurisdiction. But
it's a complicated one and it's often a lengthy process
of getting arrested a few times and go into court
and then you know, presenting yourself and then getting the
charges dropped. They always drop them every single time because
you're not committing a crime. You can only be arrested
as a state citizen for common law injuries, which is
if you injure someone else, steal someone's property, or damage
or property, or if you're lying basically in abusing contracts those
three things, which is basically similar to you know, the
Bible's teachings where we're not supposed to murder or steal
or abuse other people in those ways either. Apart from that,
it's not even a crime, like there's even court cases.
I have a bunch of tabs open. I'm going to
see if I can find it really quickly. But there
are let's see here, Yeah, there's there's a there's a
bunch like eving. So speeding, running stop signs, track without
license plates or registration are not threats to the public
safety and thus on not arrestable offenses. And that was
Christy versus Elliott two sixteen. Blah blah blah. I can
link all these sites that I've done, but those are
just Supreme Court cases. That's not even including the actual
physical United States codes and the uniform commercial codes, which
have a plethora I'm talking thousands of pages of like stuff.
If people actually want to look into it, like, you're
not breaking the law when you're doing these things. You
do need to be smart and be safe. But if
you're you know, stopping at a stop sign there's no
cars and you start turning around, you didn't fully stop,
and then the police pulls you over and then he
gives your ticket for it. There's no engined party, there's
nothing happened. It's just revenue for the county. That's all
it is. Unfortunately, that's what it's become anyway. Police most
of the time, especially in Georgia, you'll just get ticketed
all the time for just going five miles prior over
or this or that whatever, Like, there's no injured party.
There's no injured there's no crime being committed. In the
original Constitution and the laws, you have to commit a
crime for you to go to court and for you
to be arrested or for anything to be infringed upon,
and an actual federal corporation or the county of a state.
It's not an injured party. It can't be. So you
might have I go off on a little tangent there.
You might have to clarify again if you want to
be to answer a specific question.
Speaker 2: No, you're doing great. It's just interesting to me that
I'm everything that I've researched into this subject. Eighteen seventy
one is the starting point, but nineteen thirty three to
nineteen thirty six is really when everything took off and
they started. Obviously, when did they start the income tax?
Was it like the early nineteen hundreds where you would
just pay one percent of your income. But obviously there
was no way to track people's income. So they said, well,
we need to start tracking people. Let's do the birth certificates,
let's do social Security numbers. Let's make the employers file
with us so we can verify their wages. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a long, lengthy process, but they deliberately
did it that way to slowly encroach on people's rights
without them complaining too much. Because obviously, back in the
day it was the tax was the federal tax. A
lot of people don't realize it's not an actual income tax.
It's technically an excise tax, and it was during the
time of the war, saying we need to help with
the war efforts, so people would voluntarily give to their
earnings to help people in the war. And it was
supposed to go away and not surpass like two three
percent of something like that. And then obviously now today
people are getting tax based on your income tax bracket
up to like forty seven percent or something. And that's
not including sales tax, gas tax, all the other tax,
death tax, birth tax, this tax, tax on tax, there's
so many taxes nowadays. This is clearly not what was
intended for this country. And if the Federal Reserve came
about in nineteen thirteen, that basically steamrolled them to lay
out the foundations and create their fate currency, the Fiat currency,
the US dollar because they wanted to. That's when they
also started implementing removing the gold backed on that and
also removing the silver. So over time, from nineteen thirteen
up to nineteen sixty five, gold and silver was removed
completely from the currency of Americans, which means they are
now being paid in basically worthless paper. And that's where
we are today and why the economy is so bad,
because we're paid in something that doesn't exist. We're paid
in debt currency. Like I think our country is now
almost forty two trillion dollars in debt and technically we're
in insolvency but not officially, but we basically are.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, that was such I wish I could go
back in time. Obviously, there's many instances in history. Did
the Titanic really hit an Iceberg? Or was it blown up?
But look at April fifth, nineteen thirty three, FDR signed
Executive Order sixty one oh two that was forcing citizens
to surrender their gold boion, their certificates to the Federal Reserve,
which is not federal. This should anger people, and this
we're almost one hundred years past this. And I always
talk about we never get accountability. How are we a
free country. When a guy says you have to turn
in your gold, your boyon and whatever certificates you have
to that the Federal Reserve. That dude, if I went,
that's stealing, that's theft. And the other thing. By the way,
the Social Security Number that was created in nineteen thirty six.
And I always say, they make it sound so nice,
like the Patriot Act that's meant to look after us, right,
And what they say is it was created specifically to
track worker earnings to ensure eligibility of your retirement benefits.
It's all about your benefits. That's why the Social Security
Number was created. It had nothing to do with tracking
you for a draft or for taxes, just for your
retirement benefits. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They always make it seem like it's a plus and
you're getting extra benefits, or you know, this is great.
Why would you not want it? Sign me up, it's free,
You're good to go. You're going to have it for
your whole life and when you retire. But you know,
that's just the system they built in, or they're slowly
stripping away your rights that you didn't even realize you have.
Most people today don't even realize that it is one
hundred percent, no matter what anyone tells you, it is
one hundred percent a right to travel. It is not
a privilege. Driving is a privilege. Driving is operating a
motor vehicle of under commerce. If you have a private
vehicle that you have paid off private automobiles, should I
say you have the right as in Thompson v. Smith,
the case i'll send this link to as well. It
was redacted at a certain point in time, but then
it was released again because it's been a certain amount
of time, so they release it. But it clearly says
in there multiple times we all have the right as
Americans to travel freely with our private automobiles without a
license or permit. And we have been convinced over the
last one hundred plus years slowly that we do not
have these certain rights, that they are privileges, and we
must do what they say to have this privilege. And
it's just it's gotten completely out of control, and it
should enrage more people. But I think it's gotten so
far to the point where so many people don't care.
They'd rather just sit at home after their day at
work and not think about anything and just watch their
favorite sports team and then you know, have a drink
and then go to bed and repeat it the next day.
Like everyone's so busy in the system that they've created
that it's a constant hamster reel that they can't get
out of until you just like shut the machine off
and say, hey, look right outside the cage. Yeah, all
that stuff is free. You can just go do it.
You don't have to be stuck in this cage they
made you.
Speaker 2: Like in dyaln versus the State, I'm just kind of
breezing through this. He was stopped at a checkpoint. He
wasn't even beating drinking and driving, just one of these checkpoints,
and he was asked to produce a license.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who is this again?
Speaker 2: Sorry? I thought this was the case that you would
just mentioned a Supreme Court Dalen versus the State or oh.
Speaker 1: No, I said, Thompson versus Smith Thompson.
Speaker 2: Why did I clicked on that?
Speaker 1: Let me I have it somewhere here.
Speaker 2: It's interesting though, it took me to another case that
was the same type of thing. He refused to give
me his ID because he was a checkpoint. He didn't
get pulled over fere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a side tangent. But even checkpoints. They're all
on the constitutional you don't even have to do anything
with those nowadays. I just sometimes I hope I do
get pulled over and arrested, because then I can file
them deprivation of rights of color of law eighteen Nited
States Code two four one two four two, depending if
it's one or more police officers, and then you can
put a lien on them and then they let you
go and you get money for it. So if people
like understood their rights and not let your rights get trampled,
then you got nothing to worry about. The problem is
the government has put fear into everybody right and it's
become so inconvenient to use your rights or you're seen
so inconsiderate or so disrespectful or against law and authority
that you're exercising your rights that you have as an American,
as a freeman or a free woman, that people are
just like, Oh, it's okay, I'll just pay the fine.
Oh it's okay, don't boy, it's all good. Yeah. But
that's happened over the last one hundred years, and that's
why this country is so messed up and why we're
in the position that we are because people are not
exercising their rights and they don't care anymore. So we
need more people to care. And even though it sounds
kind of bleak, I will say, there's about twenty five
million Americans now that are not paying federal income taxes.
So tides are turning. And there's only nineteen US Court judges, so.
Speaker 2: They can only handle so many cases, right, exactly. Yeah.
Thompson v. Smith, March thirty first, nineteen eighty six. So wow,
so this guy actually sued the policeman, right, so Thompson,
there you go. Thompson sued Spartanburg City policeman Smith Donald
Ee Smith for false arrest and imprisonment. The jury awarded
Thompson ten thousand dollars. We reverse and remand so this
seventeen year old bought the car. Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a really good read. I recommend
reading it from start to finish when you have time,
because you'll read some paragraphs. I've read it through. There's
probably about four or five where it's just clearly expressed
by the Supreme Court judges how traveling is a right
and not a privilege, and you don't need a license
because a lot of people say that's conspiracy and that's
never been true, but it is true, but they've suppressed
it and redacted so much of the information over the years.
People believe they have to have a driver's license to travel.
You do need a driver's license if you're going to
operate in commerce for profit, like if you're doing uber
or a truck driver or this or that whatever, and
you know, using those for those purposes. But if you're not,
it's your own private property, so it's your right. If
you have your car paid off, it's yours. You don't
have to register it, you don't have to do all
this stuff. You just you know, follow the basic traffic
laws and stuff with as satation, so they say statutes,
but you know, as long as you're not reckless driving
or doing stuff like that, there's no reason for them
to pull you over. And everyone everyone was operating fine
anyway before a lot of people got upset that they've
told they couldn't even drink and drive at the same
time back in the day, which obviously you know, it's
not a good idea, but the same thing happens with
the seatbelts. With this, with that, they've infringed upon so
many of our just basic liberties, of just us our
own individual safety. We should be responsible for our safety,
not government. You're basically putting the government in place of
you to take care of you. And if you accidentally
slip up on one little small citation or go over
five miles per hour or all these other nonsense things
they'd created, you know, they give you a fine and
you have to pay it, and then this point to
on your license, and then oh, now it affects your
insurance and I'm paying more insurance. And then that goes
on and on and on, and people, the average American,
they're just trying to get by and earn money from,
you know, for their families and things. So it's just
gotten totally out of hand. And that's why I just
I feel like it's really necessary to kind of get
this information on the people, to tell them, no, there
is a way out. It's not easy, but freedom wasn't
ever free. You have to work for.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, for sure. And I think it would be
a different story if we had a god fearing government
that wasn't sending the money outs you know every day,
that wasn't manipulating the stock market with making up stories
about a deal with Iran is just about just about
to be signed, and then every Monday morning for the
last three weeks, Trump has come out before the market
opens and said, I think we got a deal in place,
and the market shoots up. It's all a show and
it's all stage. I think it would be a different
story if a we were taxed very moderately, one or
two percent. I think everybody would be fine with that.
But it's theft. We're held up at gunpoint. We're not
given an option. It's the amount that is taken out
from people's paychecks when gas is already pardon me, my
allergies are getting today four dollars five dollars a gallon.
Insurance is through the roof. They keep reason property taxes,
which as a whole, that property taxes out of all
the taxes is evil because you have someone who is
elderly who's worked all their life to pay off their property,
and now if you don't pay that two or three
thousand dollars, they take all of that equity from you.
It's evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, property taxes is I think one of the
worst ones because you can't I mean, they're all pretty
evil when you really look at the core of it.
But you'd think that once you pay for something, that's it,
Like okay, sure, let's pay tax when you first buy it.
You shouldn't have to keep paying it every year because
then that means it's not yours, and it's bectly for
people like you say, who have worked the whole entire life.
They're old, they're retired, they don't want to work anymore,
they don't physically they shouldn't be working. They should retire,
enjoy their life. If they miss a payment, well there
goes to the house, it gets repossessed and then you know,
they put a lien on it and everything and they
kick them out, like it's just ridiculous. There's i think
the seven states now that are proposing to completely remove
or severely reduce property taxes. So there is, you know,
potential good stuff on the horizon, but it's still all
within the federal corporation and they can withdraw all of
this at any point when they want. So we need
to go back to a Dajore republican true republic government.
And the more people that correct the status to state
citizenship and remove their US citizen term, the quicker the
whole system's going to collapse in that regard, because then
we're going to go back to our proper states of government,
where we can control our local counties and our local
states and our own representatives, and we don't have to
be doing these unjust laws all the time that a
president or politicians make when we never asked them to.
Speaker 2: That time period nineteen thirty three to nineteen thirty six
really transformed the way our country operated all the way
up until I think it was seventy one or seventy
two when we were taken off the gold standard and
the dollar kind of became the petro dollar and what
the world used to exchange with. But the thing is,
the dollar isn't even real. And it's cool for me
to see even the normist of normies come up to me,
whether it's after church or wherever, and they're did you
know our money isn't even real? Have you ever heard
a fiat currency? Did you know it used to be
backed by gold? And the banks are only required to
hold ten percent of your deposits. And people are really
starting to understand the monetary system, and I think that's
a big first step in getting people to do their
research and understand how man, how reckless our government and
how tyrannical our government has become. And you're right, at
some point it's our duty to stand up and say
enough is enough. Otherwise we're passing this on to our
children and our grandchildren, and shame on us for allowing that.
What is the way forward? You know, hopefully it's like
the way you said, enough, people getting together and just
saying no. That's the way it's been throughout time. It's
getting people together, unified and saying no. But unfortunately we
still have all these people who buy into the left
right narrative. I can't talk to that guy. He's one
of those liberal maniacs. He's a trump maga weirdo and
all these other things that they used to divide and conquress.
If we could get people focused on the problem at hand,
which is the entire federal government, I think we'd be
able to. But also I think we need to get
people biblically based as well, to have God in their heart,
to have a moral compass to understand, because once you
have that, then you really see how evil some of
this stuff is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a few points to that. I'll try to
remember all of them, but yeah, So that's probably one
of the things that switched my mindset from learning all
this knowledge to actually taking action. I was praying for
a couple of weeks straight, probably every day, asking God
what to do in terms of federal taxes, if I
should finally just put myself exempt and with have them
no longer withheld, and just continue that and have full
faith in this state citizenship process. And I woke up
one morning it was a week before January first, which
is a new tax year, and I just had this thought.
I was like, well, let's really think about this. Federal taxes.
It pays for foreign wars, foreign unjust wars, pays for murder,
it pays for millions of abortions a year. It pays
for all these systems in place in America that we
do not actually have a say or a vote for.
They just decide to spend their money, then the US
tax dollars on whatever they want, whatever they deem necessary.
We don't have any actual voting system, which in itself
is unconstitutional because we don't have a say in where
our money goes. It's taxation without representation. Therefore, already it's
going against the standard of the Constitution. And then morally
it's going against the teachings of the Bible for funding
all of that stuff as well. And then I just
was like, well, you know what, do I fear the
Irs garnishing my money maybe ten years down the road,
or trying to take me to US tax court? Or
do I fear looking at Jesus at the ends of
time at the gates of Heaven telling him that I
knew this to be the case, but I didn't take
action and I let it happen anyway, and I kept
funding it, and that kind of swapped it for me
to be like, I'm not really fearful anymore. I really
don't care. I'm ready to prepare to take the IRS
on when it comes, but I really don't care anymore.
I was like, when people don't care and they learn
and understand where their money is going, they should be
completely outraged and they should want to end it immediately.
And that's basically the point that I came to in time.
And I get that a lot of people, you know, financially,
they're in a different that can be in a different state.
I'm married and stuff, I don't have kids yet, and
I feel like I have at least, the more you know,
privileged to be in the position I am to kind
of just take that leap of faith financially. But I'm
just saying, you know, if you really understand this and
where all the money is going, it should enrage you
to the core because people need to stop paying. Everyone
just needs to stop paying, and then it goes away.
Trump is already talking about getting rid of the federal
income tax. He's not talking about that just to make
everyone happy. He's doing that because the amount of Americans
who are now stopping paying it, he's going to have
to change his system and remove it completely and introduce
the tariffs. So it's making him seem like the good guy,
but he's just doing it because his hand is forced.
Speaker 2: You know, nobody can get around the terriffs because everybody pays. Yeah,
that's a good point. I never thought of that way.
There's twenty five million people not paying taxes. So if
we remove taxes, but we just add tariffs, which increases
the cost of everything that people use on a daily basis,
everybody's going to pay. Is am I stating that correctly? Partly?
Speaker 1: Yes, But if you've noticed when you pay attention to politicians,
and their new policies and everything that they put forward.
It's almost always based on the times of the people.
So the people are dictating the actions, but the politicians
push it as far as they can before the people react,
and then when they react too much, they have to
completely change the system again. And that's basically where we're
headed now. We're having to again completely change the system
where income taxes. Federal income taxes is going to be
removed and completely abolished, but it's going to be replaced,
probably most likely by tariffs and other means of taxes.
Speaker 2: So there'd be one hundred thousand people out of work
or do you think they'll just That's the one thing
I always say when I think of these shifts. There's
one hundred thousand, what is it, seventy five to one
hundred thousand IRS employees. Are they just going to change
them to tariff overseers or how would that work? Because
that would you know, the stock market would tank, I
would think initially if you had one hundred thousand unemployed
people overnight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one hundred thousand IRS unemployed agents sounds good
to me.
Speaker 2: Oh no, don't get me wrong, brother, that's not me.
I'm just I'm thinking outside the box, but they're thinking
that that would be a glorious day. And if you're
listening and you work for the I doubt that we
have any I doubt that we have any IRIS agents
listening to this podcast. It'd be interesting if we did
send us an email the fact undertmail dot com if
you work for the IRS. But seriously, there's just so
many things to keep track of. But it really does
go back. I actually downloaded the Organic Act of eighteen
seventy one. They have the original that they scanned and
has been uploaded in the archive dot org, the official
government one, and it's all in black and white. But
you're right, we like to complain about things, but rarely
do we put the time and effort. I mean we
all of us, including myself, put the time and effort
into researching and developing a you know, some type of
answer to these things. And I think that's really what
we need to start doing. And I know that you
have YouTube channels you've leaned on. What's the guy's name, Joe.
Speaker 1: Joe Lastico. Yeah, he's on Rumble. He's a very good,
down to earth guy. I would say start with him
first because He's relatable for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And that is helpful to have in this day and
age with technology and YouTube and rumble and sub stack.
But how important is it to find like minded people
in your community to start that foundation, to stand up
to your state, your county, and then go up from.
Speaker 1: There just to start. You know, you can do it
on your own, but trust me, you do need a
community because we're we the people in the decoration. For
our purpose, we need to be unified. That's why I
used to be big into politics too. And unfortunately I
did vote for Trump one time, you know, back in
twenty sixteen, but I haven't voted ever since. And every
time they you know, put those voting ads a registered
to vote, do this, do that, I'm just like, no,
thank you, because it's all in control. But you do
need to the power is and the people in us.
When we unify together, we can change our government. We
can change our counties. We can change our police, we
can change our judges, we can change our school board,
we can change what's being given to the education for
our children. Like all this can only happen if we
unified together. Educate ourselves on our laws and our rights
and our fundamental liberties of freedom. Once more people do that,
more people are going to want to do that too,
because they're going to realize, well, they're doing it, I
can do it as well. I want to join them,
and I want to live more free. I want my
kids to be taught things proper. I want to be
you know, everyone's just gonna want to That's how people
should be living. So I think it just it takes
people just kind of one, you need to start learning it,
but then two, yes, you need to try to unify
that and just spread that knowledge. It's as many people
as you can and just try to learn together because
that's the quickest way you can get. Just at least
your local town, village, city, whatever it is changed first,
because local is the most important. A lot of people
don't realize Sheriffs and deputies are the only people with
actual authority of law. They can even tell the irs
that the whole county is not paying, and then they
don't have to pay. Like if you start local, it
expands out everywhere else. And there's actually several counties and
cities that don't pay federal income tax because the sheriffs
said we're not going to and the IRIS has no
juristics and to step on foot. I can't remember what
it is, but if you look it up, you should
be able to find it. There's a county where they
don't actually pay a penny, which.
Speaker 2: Is pretty cool in federal taxes, I believe. So I think, yeah,
that's interesting. I'll have to research that. Now this is
kind of an indirect question, but still at the same time,
the banks, the bankers are the source really one of
the greatest sources of all our problems, because you know,
the Federal Reserve, which you know, Wilson's one of the
top three detriments to our country in its history was
the Federal Reserve. And then just you know, twenty fifteen
years later, they they're staring down Americans tell them to
turn in their gold and devaluing the dollar, which is,
you know, that's our worth in reflection, right, that's what
this country's on, and now it has become so worthless.
And I don't think people understand, Matthew, that inflation is
a reflection of what were the dollar is worth. When
you're paying twenty five dollars for a pizza, when you're
paying five dollars for a gallon of gas. That means
your dollar is becoming worth less and less. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, I actually did a video on silver a couple
about a month or two ago on my YouTube channel
explaining the significance of what's actually happening, because just to
put it into perspective to help the listeners who are
into this, it's actually really really important and crucial to
understand because back in like nineteen sixty, the minimum wage
was a dollar. But back in nineteen sixty they often
paid the minimum wage of a dollar in currency in
the fiat currency, but they paid it in physical coins. Well,
what was in the physical coins ninety percent silver? You
were getting paid in actual value to work today the
minimum wage in Tennessee, it's like seven something. I calculated
that compared to nineteen sixty to today of the minimum wage,
you'd have to work ten and a half hours more
for that same value to buy one ounce of silver
compared to back then. So the difference is not only
in the fact that we no longer have any coin
or silver or anything backed by gold and on actual
fiat currency. The difference is that we're actually having to
work up to ten times more hours for that same
hour back in nineteen sixty for that same value that
we're producing today. It's completely astronomical. It's like, it's just
that kind of blew my mind when I figured that out.
And that's also why I recommend everyone investing cold and silver.
But that's another topic entirely monetarily.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I've heard that before nineteen sixty the minimum
federal wage was an hour. I think that law was
passed five years before, and it was enforced in sixty.
And again, ninety percent of coins, dimes, quarters, half dollars,
they were minted with ninety percent silver. And because of
the intrinsic silver value, right has rose significantly over the years.
With silver booming. Just over the last year, people say
that silver melt value is fifty seventy seventy five dollars
And now you're just numbers appear in your bank account.
You're not paid with anything physical anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is crazy when you tell people, I'm like,
you can still get silver for free if you want,
and they're like what, I'm like, Yeah, just go use
your fake via currency and you can produce it for
something of value and it protects you and it's better
than doing a high old savings account or anything else
you can think of, or any investment, because now you're
holding something of actual value. So people don't realize that.
But one else of silver nowadays it's like seventy five
almost eighty dollars. It goes up and down. Yeah, it
went up to one hundred and twenty something dollars just
a couple about a month or so ago. And that
was the time during all the wars and the politics
and the silver and the technology and everyone freaking out
and being like we're going to run out of silver.
It's like, now we're not. It's it's it's everywhere, just
like all the other renewable resources. Yeah. Yeah, it's always
going to be there, but it's silver is considered the
common man or poor man's currency. Everyone has access to silver,
and that is what's put there for a reason. Gold
is considered more the elitees currency. Right. The problem with silver,
or rather the solution to silver that it produces, is
it can enable generational wealth transfer for people like you
and me. If the economy crashes and we come into
a great depression, but you are holding physical gold or
physical silver, which most likely you and I would have
more access to silver because we can afford that that
spike jumps up like there is on the the usdet
clock dot org I think it is. I don't know
if it's dot org, dot net I have the exact link,
but you know you've probably seen it. When you type
it in, it comes up with a big, huge screen,
has all the numbers of America, has hundreds of different databases,
all instantly put on their own live but it says
on there that the actual value of one ounce of
silver is supposed to be, based on our currency and
our economy, around eleven hundred dollars for one ounce. So
if there's ever going to be another great depression and
the system collapses and they have to form a new
freeat currency or in something, that silver is going to
be worth that money and you can trade that silver
in and then you can then you can get a house,
you can get this, you can get that, you can
get assets. You can use that stuff for whatever you
need to. And that's why it's very important to have
silver and understand the monetary history as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great point. By the way, we're just coming off
Holy Week. Matthew twenty six fifteen. Judas Is Scariot was
paid thirty pieces of silver by chief priests to portray Jesus.
This was likely paid in Tyrian shekels, valued roughly at
four months wages for a labor or the legal price
of a slave in that era, suggesting obviously that's suggesting
the deliberate devaluation of Jesus. But you know, these medals
have been significant since the beginning of time. Only in
the last one hundred and twenty years have they been
able to dumb us down and enough to believe that
this piece of paper is worth something. And it did, right.
It used to be like a receipt. Here's this, You
can take this to the bank and you can exchange
it for silver. But now it's just a pretend note.
Speaker 1: Yes, the actual it's called a Federal reserve note, and
it even states such on the bill. And that's also
known as a negotiable instrument, which is basically just a
promise to pay, and that's connected to the uniform Commercial Code.
And people say, ah, you can't do that stuff. You
can't do negotiable instruments. You can't just sign things and
make debt disappear. But I'm like a whole country runs
off negotiable instruments. A whole country's debt, a whole country's fake.
It works in the sense that it works until it doesn't,
Like at any moment, it could just snap. We're forty
two trillion dollars in debt almost like, and people don't
realize that that's the case, and we don't have anything
backed by our actual money anymore because it's not money.
It's the same as monopoly money in my opinion, Like
it's just paper and the government puts a number on
it and considers that to be that like the value
of a nickel. It costs more money to produce a
nickel five cents than it does to make a hundred
dollar bill.
Speaker 2: It's nonsense, it really is. And you mentioned, you know,
our debt has exceeded thirty nine trillion. But the scary
thing is, you know, they show it every president that
the debt doubles every single one and this last trillion,
going from thirty eight to thirty nine happened within just
a few months. So to me, that's saying that when
I say the end is near, I'm talking about the
end of our economy, which I believe is intentional to
get to the digital based uh, you know, central bank
coin Are you on board with that.
Speaker 1: Thought, Yeah, it's it's it's governments have attempted to do
it for a long time, and I think eventually it
might happen at some point. I don't know when it will,
but because the problem that if that does happen, that's
going to be such a monumental change that even for
their own system of our corrupt government, it's gonna they're
going to take a big, you know, a big hit
as well for a long time. So this this it's
kind of like, you know, a double led sword. Because
I would like for the economy just to go poof
and we could reset. But that's a lot if we
really sit down and think about it, a lot of people,
I don't think it hardly most of us are ready
for that. So I don't wish that to happen as
it is, and as it stands. If you learn the
stuff about state citizenship and the Uniform Commercial Code is
especially audicule three of that whole system, you realize that
we actually do live in one of the best countries
in the world. And if you know the laws and
you can cite things, and you can you can use
the laws, enact them and enforce them. We're in a
great position because we as free men and women, do
not actually owe any debt. The debt that is owed
is the United States government, the Federal District of Columbia
and Washington d C. They owe the debt. And I
believe the location of debt or in UCC section nine
dash three oh seven it says the United States. This
is talking about the Federal district. The federal United States
Corporation is located in the District of Columbia. So the
only person who is actually needs to pay the debt
in the US federal government, not you and me. But
they've made us do that because from the first certificate
they slapped on the US citizenship, put us in the
jurisdiction of the DC, make us pay the taxes, connect
to the Social Security number, to a trust SESSCA sess
to kV trust and that is attached to paying off
or in turn generating revenue to pay off the debt
of America. But it's never going to end because it's
just growing forever. So you know, it's an endless cycle
that will go on until people realize that it's all fake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at that section nine three oh seven
location of debt, or specifically says the United States is
located in the District of Columbia.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: The United States is located in the district of Columbia.
That's interesting. I'm gonna have to you gave me a
lot of homework, brother, a lot of stuff to read
and follow up on, and I've got all your links
that you recommend. And obviously tell us a little bit
about your YouTube channel and the Armed National. Where you're
headed and are you thinking about having you know, weekly videos,
daily videos? What's with the Armed National going forward?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've been pretty busy because I just moved
and stuff, but I've got it pretty much down now,
the Armed National And basically it started off with a
lot of just guns, so at a lot of guns,
different gun reviews, how to do you go to toils,
things like that. But I've kind of shifted a focus
now where I want to. I'm creating a series on
the state citizenship journey so other people can follow me
and do exactly what I've done so they can get
approved for diplomat US passport and a passport card. I
got this one as well. I know the viewers can't
see that, but I wanted to show you I got
the card as well. It's it's it's pretty cool because
when you get that, it starts unlocking a lot of
doors for you. And then so I think that's important
to teach people that. So I'm going to try to
upload about every two weeks or so starting and then
I'm going to try to do a week after that.
So the next video will be on how to do
your US diplomat USA passport, how to get that approved
at the US Department of State. So I'll have the
uploaded within the next week, and then from then on
I'm going to start doing other things in terms of taxes,
the United States codes, the laws, you know, court cases,
a bunch of just information that I think is very
very valuable for people to understand how to get more
free as they can be in this entry, and I
got I got some other stuff on there too. I
want to I'm going into monetary history with silver, the
importance of silver. I also do videos on prepping and
edc kits and things like that, so kind of you know,
the all round stuff like that, and I am going
to start a biblical cosmology series nice future as well.
Speaker 2: So nice well done. One last question. You had showed
me your your passport and that ID card. Does that
affect the way you travel specifically when you're flying?
Speaker 1: Uh? So, you can use the passport card for all
of America in land and also air travel within domestic
and then you can also travel to what does it
say here? It says you can do land and also
see travel between US, Canada, Mexico, Caribbean and Bermuda. But
apart from that, you have to use your passport book
for international air travel.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: So, but it's actually really cool because you couldn't do
that before the other original passport card. You have to
do that with this this one. And I think we
are running out of time, but there's uh what was it? Yeah,
I'm going to be doing that on my video that
I'm going to be releasing soon in the next week.
Where I actually got chat gpt AI to actually admit
that the passport I was issued was because the US
Department of State issued me that because they considered me
a state national as opposed to a US citizenship, so
they didn't have jo just Dickson, so they granted it
to me anyway, even though I took note to US
citizen on the form of the d S eleven. So
that was kind of cool that Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be validated, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because they have to say it, but you have to
work for it to find it, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of gatekeeping, especially when you do research.
So don't let the first time you put something into
you know, your research, and Google's going to throw some gatekeeping.
I've seen it just in the land ninety minutes we've
been speaking. Be careful with chat, you know, whether it's chat,
GPT or whatever the one on Twitter is, because that
is I believe that's gatekeeping as well. I think that
those things are probably programmed to lead you in a
certain direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, we have to be careful of that
stuff for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a pleasure to catch up with you again,
and I want to remind everyone that all the links
to your YouTube channel, your email address, the Armed National
at gmail dot com, and then the other information Rumble
YouTube that you've recommended as well, all that will be
in the show notes. But before we go, as always,
i'd like to give you the last word.
Speaker 1: Sure, I would just like to quickly read a Bible
versus us. All right, this is Philippians, chapter three, verses
seventeen to twenty one. It's our citizenship is in heaven.
And I think this is important because at the end
of the day, it doesn't matter how much we try
to be free on this earth. We're not going to
be free and we get to heaven and our citizenship
ultimately is there. So with that focus, that really does
help navigate you in this what you're doing. So, brethren,
join in following my example, and note those who so
walk as you have us for a pattern. For many
walk of whom I have told you often, and now
tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of
the Cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose God
is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame,
who set their mind on earthly things. For our citizenship
is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for
the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our
lowly body, that it may be conformed to his glorious body,
according to the working by which he is able even
to subdue all things to himself.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Written Paul wrote that I think it was
sixty one sixty two AD, and the interesting thing. When
he wrote the letter to the Philippi in flipping In,
that would have been while he was, you know, in
prison in Rome. So think about that. He's writing that
as a prisoner.
Speaker 1: That's why I think that verse is very important, especially
if you want to go on this journey, because you know,
I don't know, if it sara enough, one day I'll
end up in prison for doing these things and exercising
my rights and trying to fight the government. But that's
just the risk you have to take.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I mean it's happened over time. At
some point. You can only be trampled on so much
and doesn't necessarily, you know, take a call to arms.
It can start with a simple no right, do not consent,
do not give your consent, do not comply. As we
said back in twenty twenty, just don't comply.
Speaker 1: Right exactly exactly. So the more people that learn this
and don't comply, I think the better off our country
will be as a whole.
Speaker 2: So good stuff. Well, this was a great conversation. I
know it's going to be very I should be getting
some interesting emails, and if you have any questions at all,
reach out to math. I'm sure he's very knowledgeable and
very easy to communicate with and all his information and
be in the show notes. Again, Matthew, thanks so much
for your time this afternoon. I really appreciate it. Brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me. It's been great.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Again, to our listeners, thank you so
much for your continued support. Special sub stack announcement this
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