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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back. So that's not metal. We

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are your weekly rock, hardcore, heavy metal, heavy music show,

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and we are here with another one of these big

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reviews bags that we do here every month, highlighting some

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of the most exciting noteworthy stuff that's coming out. We

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are back again after last week. I just gave a

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little report about all of the many various goings on

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that I had going to Fortress Festival seeing like the

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black metal, going to Mystic Festival seeing some more black metal,

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but also lots of things that weren't black metal. And

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it has been a very busy time since then with me,

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Sam and Elliott are here. Sam, you, I mean I

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was looking at your like figuring out via your Instagram

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how many like consecutive days you were like at big

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shows and stuff. And there's been everything going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So obviously Sean Friday had the weekend off and

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then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday I had free varying sort of

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size shows, but like one very big show. But yeah,

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it's been a busy few days.

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Speaker 1: The reviews very thankfully for you, given that are very

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much things that you would be sitting and spending time with. Anyway,

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we have got today to talk about the new albums

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from Turnstyle, Malevolence, Straight from the Path, Kay and Ashy

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Dead Guy and Hex Vessel, or as I have been

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calling it, Big Hardcore Summer, and then a few snowy trees.

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For some fucking reason, some of the stuff that Sam

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was alluding to there is obviously Outbreak happened this weekend.

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What we're going to do is we're going to have

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you talk about all the things that were outbreak related

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on next week's show, because said we've got other stuff

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to talk about. Obviously Download happened as well, which none

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of us were at, but you know, been observing the

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goings on there. Apparently Corn and Green Day were both

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fantastic as like you know, new you know, very established headliners,

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Sleep Token fantastic for the fans who are very much

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there for them, I think, as you could probably imagine

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a lot more of a divide between the people who

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were there for them and everyone else who was not.

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But I guess that's to be expected. Otherwise, we have

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got to talk about another thing that has happened since

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all of that this past week, a couple of days

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ago in fact, for I guess the both of us

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me and Sam were both at some of the first

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dates of nine Inch Nails is twenty twenty five what's

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called the Peel It Back Tour, which I guess when

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you look at the staging and what they've kind of,

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you know, named those things after is I guess it's

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because they are gradually peeling back the layers of the

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v rules and everything. So we're going to talk about

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the staging and stuff as well. But the first dates

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of nine Nails peel At Back Tour. They opened it

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in Dublin, then they hit up Manchester and then London,

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and then over the next few weeks I'll be taking

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it I guess everyhe else across Europe. I was at Manchester, Sam,

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you were at London. This is a show that is

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very kind of deliberately separated into certain acts. So what

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we'll do is we'll kind of go through the again,

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how the kind of staging of it worked and everything,

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and talk about maybe some differences we had as well,

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because there are naturally a lot of setless differences from

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night to night with a nine its Nail show. But

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going into this nine Inch Nails tours, I think increasingly

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at this stage each one feels like a real like

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grab them while they're their sort of event, because we

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don't necessarily, you know, they're not as consistently active at

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present in the rock scene as they maybe have been,

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and so every time the Nine Inch Nails kind of

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touring behemoth decides to awake for a little while, it

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is a big moment. This is particularly so maybe for

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this one because you know, the last time they did

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a tour in twenty twenty two, I can't remember they

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played in London, but I saw them playing the Apollo

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in Manchester. That's sort of like Brixton, Yeah, Brixton equivalent

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type venues. This time they went fuck off big mode

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and they've played some of the biggest arenas in the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ota Arena in London. They went big on this.

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I mean, this is this felt like the first proper

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Nine inch Nails tour for a good one. I know

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they obviously they have been around, but it's always going

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to almost felt like sporadic kind of like dates and

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little things popping up as opposed to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty two to one was the first like

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big tour they don't know while as opposed to like

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we're playing the Royal Albert Hall or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, also that, but because I think it felt

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smaller venues, it still didn't feel like the kind of

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like Nine Inch Nails are back as a touring like Behemoth,

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as you say, so this felt like a real kind

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of like this is one of the event shows of

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twenty twenty five. Is the first like named Nine Inch

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Nails tour like like real events or showcase.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting this doing this like the week

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of again download festival, right, because that's a download festival.

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bands like Corn who have kind of been in that

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forever the bride'smaid sort of position that Nine Inch Nails

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have been in for a long time as well, have

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been brought up and when you look at Oh, you

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are like filling really big arenas and in terms of

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a show and a like arena presentation, right, I've said

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before Nine Inch Nails, certainly of bands of their vintage,

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which this is like a thirty five year old or

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something band at this stage are there's an argument that

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they are the best live band, particularly of their sort

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of generation, that you can still go and see today.

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I've said this before and having now seen them go

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into a massive arena and bring a not only their

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usual kind of you know, tensed in the performance, but

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actually fill that arena and do clever things with the

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arena beyond. Just like here's our usual thing blown up

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a bit more. I think the thing with again the

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event nine and Snails towards is because everyone is almost

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reimagined to some degree. This is absolutely something where, you know,

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if it's a download policy or whatever, to be like,

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we are giving shots to bands who maybe in a

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previous era or the festival we wouldn't have. It's hard

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to imagine many arena shows from a heavy band more

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absolutely convincing of an imperious sort of status than the

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one that we both just saw.

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Speaker 2: There was a thing when I Snails obviously because obviously

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they haven't festivals. That's why I think kind of been

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the thing with them, isn't it. They've always been a

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bit of a pretty festival ban and everyone's said, don't

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go seem at festival, go seem at a headline show

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or that. So it could be a factor. But if

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we are just talking about the show they just put

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on the spectacle the steps actually thought out, it was

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how nothing felt like a gimmick. How nothing felt over done.

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again that's even before we get onto the band, who

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were like Jesus fucking Christ, I've never seen nine Hours

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before and my God, as a band, they are an

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absolute force of destruction. I was sat in the O

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two not like right the back on the sort the

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lower tier dis way back, and I felt like my

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chest was being caved in at points.

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Speaker 1: The deliberateness, like I was saying, of the entire the

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show roll out of It and Its Nail's tour, it

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goes as far as the fact that the support app

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for this is a DJ called Boy's Noise, right, And

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the way the staging was set up is basically obously.

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arena stage. Then in the middle of the floor there

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is what we've kind of taken to calling the Evil Cube,

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right because before and Its Nails actually came on stage,

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there was just a massive, ominous black cube, you know,

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black square in the middle of the floor, completely veiled

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over and it nat you know, especially because the arena

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just a red light, yeah, red light and there's this massive, ominous,

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like proper void of a you know, dark energy like

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in the middle of the room, emanating you know, scary

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forces like something out of like the Black Lodge in

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Twin Peaks or something. And like we saw like that

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every now and then before again, before the shower had started,

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some crew member wearing like a head torch or something

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would walk through the crowd into the cube and then

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be consumed by it as he's lost to the cube now,

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never to be seen again. But so there was this big, big,

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you know, black square in the middle, and then there

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like it's you know, the very back of the seating

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also the floor area, and that's where Boy's Noise played, right,

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and the fact that Boy's Noise was supported right again,

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just kind of heavy electronic y music, exactly what you

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act was deliberately specially baked into the layout of the

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night like there wasn't a gap, like he was playing

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and then as we'll get onto he became part of

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the set later on as well. So it's even as

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act just like you know, buy on or whatever to

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be part of this. It's like the presence of Boy's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a cirset thing. I came in there

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dark heavy dancing was kind of going as like like

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I said, the arena was just bathed in red like

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he is at the sound desk on his stage. There

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is the cube then and I was just like, fuck me,

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this this is already really intense, like and this is

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just the support DJ set as the band are getting ready,

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what's actually going to happen once it kicks off? And

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then yeah, when it kicks off, it's kind of like

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not what I was expecting to start. I'd not looked

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to set this or anything. So when the cloth on

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the cube drops and there is Trent on a piano, right, Okay.

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about three rows from the barrier of the middle Cube

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stage right, and we didn't you know, it wasn't any

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case of like I've got to go in, I've gotta

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get barrier or whatever, because we were in the middle

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of the floor space basically, but we just walked in.

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Speaker 2: There was the Evil Cube.

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Speaker 1: I guess we were naturally drawn to its dark energies

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walked over to it, and then we were like, oh,

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you know, we're actually like really really close to the

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middle stage where you knows are going to be for

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at least parts of the show. They did like a

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crowd entrance thing, right. We ended up basically being essentially

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like we were standing there, and then the security guard

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people appeared like a little walkway with like taping it off.

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Speaker 2: Like the middle stage. Bit.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, that's just Trent Resner, just like

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about a foot away from me walking right past. And

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then as it happened, the side of the the you know,

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when he was playing piano.

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Speaker 2: So my view for the.

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Speaker 1: First three songs was about, you know, like two meters

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Speaker 2: For the first things. That was kind of amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then obviously the second like utilization of the cube

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stage had a very different energy as well. But as

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this really intense you know, boys noise, you know German

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electronica thing, and then the cube you know, dissipates and

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there's Trent having appeared through the crowd at the piano.

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of the songs that we got or whatever. But it

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can we do that we haven't done before?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, I was kind of like

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what made this work was like when Trend's out there,

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I was like, oh yeah, there was some cheers and

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then he started playing and it's the most silent I've

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ever heard in arena. Yeah, true, complete transfiction on on

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Trentles doing these songs. I was like that that that

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is the respect he commands as a musician, as an artist.

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We're not gonna fath about. We're not gonna spoil this moment.

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And it was it was kind of one of those

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like I was just again just like fucking hell, this

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is the coolest way to open the show. And that

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kind of like because I don't notice he did the

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one song completely by himself on the piano, and then

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so part through the next song and they start to

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sort of arrive on stage and start to add build

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onto it more and ill the full band of on

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for song Free, which is Piggy, and I was kind

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of like, this is just a really cool way of

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like gradually building the show up, and I was like,

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it's gonna, you know, properly kick off soon, and slow

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starts to shows can't always work. But I've seen some

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bands they do this and it's kind of like it

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feels like the momentum, you know, you start showing you

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want that bang like your Aces Highmen or whatever like that.

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It's a start. But this was special way to begin

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to try this, and it felt like something they like,

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not every band can do, but again, this is Nine

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Inch Nails.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the three songs they did in the pianos

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as well were completely different between our nights.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 1: I think Dublin got the same as what you got,

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So you got right where it belongs to the opening song,

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which is the ending ballad on with Teeth, which is

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aside from the obvious hurt. I think that's my favorite

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Nine inch Nails like ballad, so I really wish we

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had got that one. And then you got an acoustic

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version of Ruiner from the Dows viral. And then as

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you say, Piggy, we got the opening song right was

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A Minute to Breathe, which is a Trent Reznor and

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Atticus Ross song from a Leonardo DiCaprio climate change documentary.

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Speaker 2: Why not, Like.

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Speaker 1: The first time trenton piano and he's playing a song

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that again, like I didn't immediately recognize.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what's this? But it was cool.

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Speaker 1: And then we got a piano version of That's What

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I Get from Pretty Hate Machine, which, according to setlist FM,

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That's What I Get has not been played in any

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form since nineteen ninety one since the Pretty Hate Machine tour.

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And he's playing piano but behind me from the main

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sort of stage speakers, I can hear like the Digga

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Digga Digga did did like electronic culor bass part coming

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in intermittently. And then the third song of our piano

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bit was a piano version of the title track of

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The Fragile, which was really beautiful and wonderful and like

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I literally I could. I looked across to the other

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side of the barrier and there's some guy in the

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front just.

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Speaker 2: Like weeping, just like absolutely blaming. Yeah, that would have

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been magical, Like oh man, that again, Like I'm jon,

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I'm most like, you know what I got? Would I change? Yet,

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I'm like, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the band they are so as we're saying,

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you know, piano Trent first and foremost, having gone through

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the crowd, and then the rest of them, the acolytes

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of the cube, because Atticus was like the fully hood up,

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like a monk, joining with them. And then there's a

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transition where they go from that first day onto the

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actual main stage and it's full band nine, its nail show,

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and the first songs of this like second act are

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wishing to march the Pigs, and it's like the the

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energy of those two things completely flipping from one end

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of the spectrum into the like rowdiest, most intense, like

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double of nine is nail songs you could feasibly put together.

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Speaker 2: Was genuinely batshit. Let's fucking go if I would have

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rip my seat out and thrown it because again that's

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probably my favorite nineties sail song, Like that's much the pigs.

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And again this is what I was saying, like the

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intensity of the frosty, the power them doing those two songs. Trent,

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there were moments in London in particularly he had the

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bit between these teeth. He was not in a good

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mood in this London set.

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Speaker 1: I know there was some there was some more tech issues. Yeah,

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there were some tech quatures ground very smoothly.

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Speaker 2: But part of almost was like he kind of played

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up his reputation as being a bit of a surly,

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grumpy git at times, but like other times he channeled

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it into like just making his performance that much more ferocious.

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But this is one too of wishing to march the pigs.

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Those just like rifts, just like hammering you down. This

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could be one of the best I've ever seen right now,

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Like just on this sort of one tube, I was

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always going to be slightly more sort of squot up

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in it because my first time seeing nine inch nails,

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But going from that like beautiful piano intro to store piggy,

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it was kind of like feeling like a bit of

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a kind of building to a bit more intense to

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then just like, this is the most violently, ferociously intense

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thing I've ever seen in Like and again, I've just

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watched a bunch of hardcore shows and I'm saying it's

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about ninety I was in an arena, like that's how

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fucking amazing this was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this second act of it, when they're on

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the main stage, there was another cube, right because there

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was a I guess what you describe as like I

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don't know, like a transparent.

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Speaker 2: Sort of screen around the stage. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So so Night Smails are on the main stage now,

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playing inside what looks like a sort of projection, and

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they're like, obviously there's projected like images and visuals and

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stuff like over this screen that's in front of them,

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but you can still see them behind it. And this

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is where the peelt back thing comes in because this

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is on setless FM. I only realized when I looked

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at this, but on setlss FM, this is labeled as

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the unpeeled main stage, and when they went back to

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it later on the screen disappeared it was the peeled

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main stage. So the idea is it's a stage that

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kind of like gradually, you know, reveals itself and moves

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further backwards. But this part when they had like the

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sort of projection thing around them some of the coolest

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like highest I don't know, like the best execution of

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like a high concept style arena visual I have ever

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seen personally, because the I mean, like when they're doing Reptile,

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which it's just so like oppressive and like just lurking,

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but like the horrible like sickly green aura that like

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filled the screen around him and it had like static

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and stuff like moving up and down it. And then

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the best example was during Copy of Her when there's

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like fifth like all around him, like it was fantastic,

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like COPYOV was when.

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is like legitimately one like cause

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again like he tried to come out with the best

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line during Reptile when things were working, it was most

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complicated lights wherever, and we get taken out by a

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mike cable like that was where I was if you started.

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But it feels it's like in a way it's almost

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like really simple but so complex the same time, and

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how it all kind of plays together.

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Speaker 1: Well, particularly when you when you look at the camera

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man as well, who was running around like in the stage,

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like getting up in Trent's face and stuff while Trent's

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face is being projected onto like.

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Speaker 2: The screen like it was. It was amazing. And so

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that was like the really like I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, the really heavy like metal you know, part

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of the stage. And then they go back to the

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B stage the thing in the middle, and suddenly boys

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Noise appears right the DJ and the next three sets,

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which again I think there's one song that they've been

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doing every night during it, which has came back haunted,

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but the other two songs have being which fine, yeah,

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which the other two songs they've been swapping in and

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out variously. But we basically then got nine inch Nails

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techno set for three songs with three right like hard

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bass version like remixes Ofsdale songs. And I remind you

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I'm about three rows from this fucking thing, right And

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when the cube like ceiling started descending again, I gen

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it looks like in like fire in the sky or

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something when they're getting abducted by aliens. It was the

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most intimidating photo of a stage I will ever take,

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because it was descending on top of me.

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Speaker 2: We had like I'd never be like higher up. There

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was a beaming sort of smoke. Yeah that as well,

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Like it was like you know, I was was this

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from a distance, but I was like, I canmber what

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I was I wasalking about. God, you must have felt

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like I'm entering, Like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it filled my entire stage of field of Virginia,

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Like I couldn't see the top of it. So it

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basically had the impression of like for these three songs,

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I am like up close and personal in the nine

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inch Nails Rave Club. It was really fucking surreal and

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so for us they played again these are like really

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like fucking hard techno version of these songs. They did

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Vessel from Year Zero, which is the one that goes

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oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But he was like Trent was like.

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Speaker 1: Moving back and forth between like a robofied mic to

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go oh my god, and then back to a normal

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one to sing the rest of it, and like a

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hard techno version of Branches Bones from the not Actual

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Events EP. I see that you got a different Year

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zero song the Warning and also only and then as

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they've both got came Back Haunted, but like this was

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again having done this massive projected light show arena show

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to then halfway through the set flip it into like

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a really intimate, sweaty kind of like industrial club environment

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where this is genuinely a show that was like equal

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parts a rock show and like an EDM show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they they show it's the full sort of again

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that remix of like came Back Carding in particular, I

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was just like, right, limbs are flying.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: Like so like the like again, I I fucking love

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the hesitation mark and like like again came back carding

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and copying. There's all the big to you reach you,

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I think, you know, off the back of like Challengers

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and like that sort of soundtrack like nice. I was

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kind of challenge that into like versions of their songs

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which already kind of like big beats nine in is

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Now songs, and it's kind of going bigger beats like

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and the lights you're coming from the top of the

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stage the bottom of the stage, so you like and

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almost like there were like cubid in by lights of

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points where the lights were sort of rising up for

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the bottom and coming down from the top, and it

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was like, this just looks so fucking cool. And it's

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funny because again I was far back, but I kind

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of felt quite close up close to it because it

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was so just like in your face at that point. Again,

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I've not seen any from light sat and Marina. The

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show before bands take these kind of create swings and

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do these kind of like reinterpretations of your songs. It's

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so fucking cool when it's done right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And then the final act show they move back

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to the main stage, the big like veil thing disappears,

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so it's just knowing its nails the band and they

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just run through what again, swaps here and there, but

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what generally just seems like a big load of hits

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for the end. Yeah, so I'm quite jealous that you've

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got mister self destruct. We got somewhat damaged in that

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spot to like open it up. But they seem to

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be playing heresy everywhere. I have now seen two nine

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inch Nail shows and not seen closer like that's done,

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like managed to skip over completely every time I've seen them.

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But I see you've got that the perfect drug was

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in there. They seem to be swapping that in the

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hand that feeds. But like when that fucking dum dum

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dum dum dum dum dum dum like fills, everyone's going like,

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oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So sick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then ending one to head like a hole

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and then, as they always will do, hurt and it's

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like that the the the intensity, the grand projection of it, everything,

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everything the show has gone through, then you know, being stripped.

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Speaker 2: Back to the point of hurt coming full circle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen it thrown around a couple times this

478
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,640
week that Nanis Nails have are a contender to be

479
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,680
like the greatest live back act that our world has

480
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,160
ever produced, having you know, seen a couple of shows

481
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,599
of theirs all in recent years, let alone you know,

482
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,519
back in kind of the you know, their kind of

483
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:19,720
golden years. The fact that they continually do bring such

484
00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:22,160
clever ideas and such tent to detail on top of

485
00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:26,559
what is already like vitriolic performances of some of the

486
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:29,680
greatest music. This is obviously like this is like the

487
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:32,440
ideal of what an arena show is meant to be.

488
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you were like vitual performance head

489
00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:37,240
like a hole was one way. Again, I think after

490
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:40,240
all the technical issues, Tren had had enough and he

491
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,240
was like a man just like excising always rage smashed

492
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:45,279
his cart then and I was like, you know what,

493
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,000
smashing you can talk can be a bit of an

494
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,359
overdone thing given like just the performance was. I was

495
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,160
like that feltm was like almost like we're broken news,

496
00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:54,039
Like fuck it, let's just wreck the whole thing. And

497
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,200
I was like Closer was like such a funny member

498
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,400
because it was the moment like every girl in and

499
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,680
most guys were just like right, it's corny time. Like

500
00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:05,720
I was. I was like, you know what, like I'm

501
00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:08,920
with you because like that song, but it wouldn't be

502
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,079
fun to see that in the RAF set with like

503
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,799
a remixed version. That would have been really cool actually,

504
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:15,279
but it was still like, you know you think that

505
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,720
that that like drum machine beat coming in. I was like, ah,

506
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:23,039
here we go into like the sexy club mode and yeah,

507
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,720
her as a closer and her just again it was

508
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:28,279
that feeling of like where they said where they ended,

509
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,359
of just like these really laid, bare ballads. I was like,

510
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,839
I was almost crying at her. I was almost moved

511
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,319
to tears because I just this the the emotions I've

512
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,319
gone for over this two hours of sort of singles

513
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,599
band of one for fucking years, finally again see him

514
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,599
and then being on this insane form and then ending

515
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,599
with like such a perfect ballad, like unbelievably for all

516
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,839
the show, and like, I'm so glad I finally got

517
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:50,160
to see it.

518
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just seem to get one more song than

519
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:57,839
we do, Jammy, but yeah, it was phenomenal and not

520
00:24:58,039 --> 00:24:59,920
just like again one of the best bands, but as

521
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,880
like a live event and draw. I can't imagine many

522
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,920
stronger sort of declarations of intent than this kind of thing. Obviously,

523
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,160
I really do hope we get nice to have music

524
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,599
at some point, but the Pila Bato and I was,

525
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,519
I will be looking with interest at further set lists

526
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,559
and stuff, further rarities if they're just going to decide

527
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,440
our date to go, like, yeah, we're gonna play that's

528
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,359
what I get for the first time. It's nineteen ninety one,

529
00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,519
but it's going to be a piano version as the

530
00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:25,799
second song of the set, Wild Elliott.

531
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:29,759
Speaker 2: Have you been this week? Sad?

532
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: I'll be seeing the I'll be seeing the Stranglers in

533
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,000
eight days. Oh no, you can all be green with

534
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,720
jealousy and nauseous with envy then, because I don't mind

535
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,839
that I didn't see nine Snails. I was, I've got

536
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,640
an early night, which is actually healthy. It's good to

537
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,319
get to sleep. So fine.

538
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:48,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I came out of our show and it

539
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,880
was bizarrely not even fully dark yet, so it's not

540
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,200
even that.

541
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: Sorry.

542
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, news wise, not a ton going on this week.

543
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,519
Like I said, it's mainly people talking about outbreaking and

544
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:05,000
download as well. Just I think just before we recorded

545
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,359
last week didn't talk about it. But there was a

546
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,920
Biffy Cleiro song that came out called a Little Love Sam.

547
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,160
Have you heard the name Biffy Kleiro song.

548
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I've noticed it loads because they've

549
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,480
been listening to some of the other things and not

550
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,240
at the time to settle down with all the shows.

551
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,720
But like good first bif for Claire single it's not

552
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,440
you know, instant history where they released that his first

553
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,559
thing when I was like, oh, what's the new, I'm

554
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,400
going to be like this. This is much better, sort

555
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,200
of like yeah, this taste of new material.

556
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: This is like pleasant pop song Biffy Cleiro, which is

557
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,880
not my favorite mode of theirs, but it didn't make

558
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,079
me recoiling disgust like some of theirs have.

559
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: So there's that.

560
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: In terms of looking at future festival stuff, the main

561
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440
thing that's happened this week, i suppose is a Damnation

562
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,680
added an announcement with three bands. One of them is

563
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,079
a band who have just played Download and apparently had

564
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,200
a fucking whaler a tie with Download with a really

565
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,119
healthy looking crowd and everything filling at the tent and

566
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,000
now in the thrack we're going to be playing at

567
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,279
Damnation Festival. And they've also added among the smaller bands

568
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,200
at it, Coil Guns and Hidden Mothers, both of whom

569
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,519
are like, you know, the kind of small under it,

570
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,519
like that's perfect again sort of lower half poster Damnation

571
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,400
fair of like cool, exciting, you know, bands that people

572
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,400
like that, that's what we really want to see. But

573
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,599
an Anathrat being added.

574
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,279
Speaker 2: It's not a game.

575
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: Changer because they play there like all the time, but

576
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,519
at the twentieth anniversary Damnation, it would be weird I

577
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:23,640
think to not have an ana threat there because I

578
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,079
think anano thrack, if it belongs to any band they are,

579
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,799
I think probably have the title of like Damnation's favorite band,

580
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,359
particularly of the house band, aren't they, Yeah, of the

581
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,119
really like heavy, stupid, busted extreme ones. So yeah, obviously

582
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,519
I want to see a nano thrack performing Damnation's two

583
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:40,880
day twentieth birthday bash.

584
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like their logo on the poster, it's it's

585
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,200
like having that super hot salsa at the tackle bar.

586
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,960
It's just like just throw it in there and it

587
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,920
just the whole thing seems more exciting for the presence

588
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,039
of anal of the thraatcause just start imagining the runs

589
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,079
that might happen. And I think I think I'm right

590
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,279
in saying that the Sunday is going to have Pig

591
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:02,880
Destroyer and Now on the thrack and Napalm Death, which

592
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,640
you think that's probably gonna be like, yeah, three hour

593
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:09,319
span clear in this you know, like Jesus, I know,

594
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:13,440
and that seems lightweight by comparison, You're like, oh, that

595
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,480
would be a nice bree you can have a sandwich

596
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,400
or they're on the other stuff. It's like that's it's

597
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119
starting to get like it's sound as just being exciting

598
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,240
to like kind of daunting.

599
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously it is split over two days. But

600
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,799
like the top four rungs of this post now, which

601
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:33,279
are like the bigger logo rungs are Corrosional Conformity, Napalm Death,

602
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,200
Perturbator Death, Heaven Arm and Rah Orbit Culture which you know, yeah,

603
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720
but some people like him, High on Fire, the Haunted,

604
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,960
and Now in the Thrack Pig Destroyer Warning that's like

605
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,599
one of the greatest selections of heavy bands, like you

606
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,359
can feasibly assemble, that's fucking ridiculous. And that's before you

607
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,359
get to the lower half. So yeah, one edition of

608
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,839
those higher rungs to Damnation. But when that band is

609
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:57,000
a now in the thrack, and as I said, they

610
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640
are the house ban the favorite band it makes all

611
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,079
the different so wonderful stuff seeing that there, and then

612
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,759
weirdly post download you would normally expect like the huge

613
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,599
you know, like all the post download tours.

614
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.

615
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,359
Speaker 1: I think like Ginger announced the UK tour and you

616
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,680
know a few of them came out, but there weren't

617
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,920
the really large ones you would expect.

618
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:18,559
Speaker 2: They've announced their tour supports. Is kind of like almost

619
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,240
that the biggest one on my end of things, because

620
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:22,720
that tour package is ridiculous. I feel like that that

621
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,759
was an open secret, there was it. Everyone knew already

622
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:28,799
that people who two of the three ones, but like

623
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,359
getting confirmed and adding Psycho Frame, who are a really

624
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,119
fucking cool band, that's a that's a tasty day.

625
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: Out, Like yeah, but I can't believe that the tour

626
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,039
announcement coming out of download that most maybe go what

627
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,839
is a cky UK tour where they're doing a quite

628
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,400
lengthy UK tour. They're playing in Birkenhead and the support

629
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,400
act for Cky is Brent Heine's Fiend without a Face.

630
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,960
So Brent hind is going to be making his first

631
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,240
appearance in the UK postmastered on in a a couple

632
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,400
months time with his fiend of Without faceband supporting c

633
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,440
ky In, probably because they're doing everywhere a venue near you.

634
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,079
I'm weirdly tempted. I want to go see what in Birkenhead,

635
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
what Brent Hines is up to, and then go doing

636
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,720
like this is a really bizarre announcement.

637
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 3: I h I'm not as tempted.

638
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: You do you?

639
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Again?

640
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm just like really bizarre, really curious.

641
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,160
But there you go of all the big post download news,

642
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,799
there's something okay. The rest of this show is going

643
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,839
to be dominated by us doing what we're here to do,

644
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,400
which is talking about the new albums that we're going

645
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,839
to be that we mentioned earlier. But I should throw out,

646
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,880
as is usually customer, when we have the time, we're

647
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,079
going to do an album club pack. I think this

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400
is maybe gonna come like first couple of days of

649
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,119
July to depending on our schedules. But I am going

650
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,880
to announce you right now what are album clubs for

651
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,759
the ensuing episode that fine show will be. And I

652
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:06,920
feel like, I don't know, there's a certain there's a

653
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,240
vibe around this batch which just gives me some some

654
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,000
interesting feelings. And you know, again I take suggestions on

655
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:15,920
board from Sam and Elliot here, but I do to

656
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,480
some degree like to surprise them.

657
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: As well at moments like these. So here we go.

658
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: First off, is actually a band who we normally never

659
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,920
cover because you could argue they don't really have anything

660
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,559
to do with us, which is kind of the point

661
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,200
of why we're actually gonna do it this time. It's

662
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,480
not an awm I think any of us like. But

663
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:39,359
I was reminded by I was reminded by a certain

664
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,799
tenth Anniversary Rock sound cover CD recently, that Blurry Face

665
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,160
by twenty one Pilots.

666
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Ah, it is.

667
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 1: Turning ten round about now, and again, you know, not

668
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720
all of us, maybe any of us probably like that album,

669
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160
but I think it is the perfect time with that

670
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:59,680
sort of amount of time removed, to look back at

671
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920
that moment and try and suss out what was going

672
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,400
on there, because the more time passes from the twenty

673
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920
one Pilots phenomena be at his peak, the more bizarre

674
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,440
it seems.

675
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: I think.

676
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: So, you know, for one time only maybe tear them

677
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160
does twenty one Pilots is going to happen with that

678
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,960
album discussion, And then for a second one I was

679
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,680
just thinking what would be the funniest possible just switch

680
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,039
around from that, and so man.

681
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: O War Born to live forever more.

682
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: We are going to do an effort to convert Sam

683
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,200
by selectively choosing.

684
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,599
Speaker 2: I'm converted by Manual. I've been in like man of

685
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,359
War rockers like it's happened, like.

686
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Well, here's an album that I think you may enjoy.

687
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:45,160
We're going through their debut album, Battle Hymns as the

688
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,839
follow up to twenty one Pilots Blowing Face, and then

689
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,000
it gets slightly more normal fair. I think when we

690
00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:54,720
have been slowly working our way through all of the

691
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,079
emo and alternative rock classics of the early twenty tens,

692
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,839
there's one that is almost like the final boss of

693
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,880
emo bands, going Shoe Gaze, but obviously with Turnover doing

694
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,559
their upcoming tenth anniversary shows for Peripheral Vision. Okay, that

695
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,759
is one that we have been building to for a while.

696
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: I think, what what did you think I was going

697
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,440
to say?

698
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,319
Speaker 3: I think you said title fight.

699
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say title fight. I

700
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:25,880
don't know Dick about title No, they're playing in full

701
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,240
of a couple months. Of course, we have to do

702
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,440
peripheral Vision. It's obvious. Yeah, no, we do, we do

703
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,680
yes absolutely wo Hey yeah great, yeah good, so we're

704
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,559
doing that. You worried me for a second. I was like,

705
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:35,359
what is going on here?

706
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,119
Speaker 1: And then finally in our underground slot, we are finally

707
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,480
going to do one of my favorite bands who I

708
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,640
name drop all the time, but we've never done anything

709
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440
on the musically, and we are going to find out why.

710
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,920
The shining light of the occult rock boom of around

711
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,720
twenty ten was The Devil's Blood and their album, the

712
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,599
debut album, The Time of No Time. Ever, so that

713
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,920
is our album club selection that we will be getting

714
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,119
to in like just over a week or so. Twenty

715
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,559
one pilots into manor War. You only get it here

716
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,239
on T and M, and so let's continue on their

717
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,920
Patreon dot com. Slash That's Not Metal is the place

718
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,039
to hear those things when they drop. First of all,

719
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,039
let's get into reviews, and as I said, it is

720
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,079
hot hardcore summer for some reason. Until our very last

721
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,159
album review, almost all of the like the albums that

722
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,719
we thought were really worth talking about this month come

723
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,280
from the world of hardcore, and the biggest of all

724
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,599
of them, obviously is where we start with Turnstile and

725
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,519
the new album Never Enough, the fourth turnstyle album, Here

726
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:44,840
we Go, the follow up to twenty twenty one's Glow

727
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,320
On an album that I think you could make the

728
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,079
case convincingly that that is the definitive rock album of

729
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:54,239
the twenty twenties are because it is an album with which,

730
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,599
you know, a hardcore band who had been dabbling in

731
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,679
a bit of crossover success on the Time and Space cycle,

732
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,639
but with Glow on the they fully went over into

733
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:06,320
becoming something new that arguably didn't really exist before, and

734
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,679
they pretty much with that they've joined the likes of

735
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,960
Ghost and sleep Token as the rock bands that you

736
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:17,039
could categorically to some degree have say say have made it,

737
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,760
and they pretty much define what the big class of

738
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,840
heavy bands in the twenty twenties are. And both of

739
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,760
those bands, of course, have released albums in the last

740
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,119
couple of months, and if I'm going to put Turnstile

741
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,519
as the third of that level of event release going

742
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,119
into the summer, they are obviously by some way the

743
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,360
smallest of them, but based on the near immediate canonization

744
00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:45,079
of go On as a work of significance, I would

745
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,039
imagine that this is the album that most people listening

746
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,079
were most ravenously looking forward to as like major album

747
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,000
of the year contender or whatever else you might say.

748
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,079
In a year when we have just had as said,

749
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,960
Ghost and sleep Token in the you know, rearview Mirror

750
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,559
Sleep Go can just headline download on their and everything else.

751
00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:05,000
It takes them going that this very clearly felt like

752
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:08,239
the most anticipated album of this year. Turns Dole's follow

753
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:08,840
up to glow On.

754
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,119
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that you're going in to glow On,

755
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,480
which you quite rightly say, is already kind of held

756
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,400
it as some sort of modern classic, and rightly so

757
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:18,800
I follow going into that there were a hype band

758
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,559
where people like expected greatness, but maybe they didn't know

759
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,119
just how great and how consequential that record was going

760
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:29,079
to be. On this record, they're now following that up.

761
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,960
You know, four years later, hardcore is in a way

762
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,239
different place, and that the number of bands like who

763
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,719
come up now, who just wholesale rip off turnstile like

764
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,039
everything from like the promo pho, so was the album covers,

765
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,519
like the imagery, the sound, like the whole thing has

766
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,440
been lifted by so many bands. Some bands have done

767
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440
it really well. Some bands it feels really like it

768
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,559
stinks a bit of like the new metal bands in

769
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,519
like ninety ninety nine, who would like the sort of

770
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,320
cold chamber end of things, and this record the stage

771
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,000
being set for that. I think the reason why you

772
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,199
rightly say it might be the most anticipated record of

773
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,840
the year so far is it to me seems like

774
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,719
a kind of like a new frontier for hardcore itself.

775
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,400
Where's how big can hardcore get? And some outlets have

776
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,239
already made the claim of just how big it is

777
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,280
and how big it's going to be. And I suspect

778
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,119
we don't need to, you know, make any platters used

779
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,199
like that here, but it is the things like could

780
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,880
a hardcore band become an arena band? Is that possible?

781
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,599
Speaker 2: What does that look like?

782
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: And going into this record, you go, well, if it's

783
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,840
gonna happen, it's gonna happen now.

784
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, like the Ghost album Ghost, you know,

785
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,079
were massive. We actually said this was like the comfortable

786
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,920
Ghost album where they've they've kind of crested that heel

787
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,840
now and they're glow on. Was the kind of like

788
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,239
breaking the door down and sort of being like, turns

789
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,760
out are a big band now they've gone from playing

790
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,199
clubs on one album to you know, and now this

791
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,519
this felt like the kind of one that's going to

792
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,599
take them to sort of like be the biggest stars.

793
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:59,559
You know. Charlie XCX branded it Turnstile Summer like this

794
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,000
is oh, like the this is turns about to become

795
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:05,840
a global phenomenon and go so far beyond the confines

796
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,639
of what a hardcore band feasibly should be able to do.

797
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,960
And again, is it possible to be a hardcore band

798
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:16,239
and play and headline a big outdoor festival and arena

799
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,360
whatever you want to do it? Like do you betray

800
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,239
being a hardbare when you get to that stage? How?

801
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,400
And like when you're writing big music course of how

802
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,239
much hard? So with these all kind of like questions

803
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,559
that were like throwing around and things that people will

804
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,840
kind of I guess excited, nervous, kind of like wait

805
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,559
with Baby Breath to sort of hear how it played out.

806
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,840
And you know, we have the album now, so I

807
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,360
guess like let's get into it.

808
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's it's a weird almost like trying to

809
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,159
recalibrate how we think about them, because this album charted

810
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,119
at I think number eleven here in the UK and

811
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,159
number nine on the US Billboard, and I think in

812
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,760
our echo chamber we could almost imagine that Turnstile are

813
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,559
like the biggest band of the world, and partly saw

814
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,159
them not getting the top ten in the UK and

815
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,880
when oh, that's a shame, and then I remembered that's Turnstile,

816
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,159
Like that has to be the highest position for a

817
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,880
hardcore band ever, Like that is extraordinary, and Turnstile again

818
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,880
with the followup to glow On. I think the reason

819
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,840
we were particularly on ten hooks with it is, as

820
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,880
you're saying, they are basically uncharted territory because glow On,

821
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,960
more than any record arguably ever reinvented what it was

822
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,639
capable for a hardcore band to achieve in that kind

823
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,559
of arena like it. You know, it did it sonically,

824
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,079
but even more so I think culturally and commercially. And

825
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,840
the question is what did they do passing through that

826
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,320
kind of big hole that they themselves have created. And

827
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,440
it's a strange position of I think on this they've

828
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,400
done basically exactly what I would have imagined they would

829
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,079
do after glow On creatively, and yet it's been quite

830
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,440
surprising observing the reaction to that because, as you say, Sam,

831
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,280
then naturally there are debates about like whether they are

832
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,719
or are not a hardcore band anymore, which I think

833
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,440
you'd have to be like a little blind mole to

834
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,119
have not seen that conversation coming. More interestingly, I think

835
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
is like I said, given that this record is basically

836
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,400
exactly what I would have imagined a glow On follow

837
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
up to be and sound like some people who are

838
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,599
like absolutely all hard in on What Turnstile were not

839
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,199
necessarily as all in a response to this record. I

840
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,559
think the reaction to this will ultimately be positive in

841
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,880
the long run. They are a sensation, right, But it's

842
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,280
not been without a good bit of critique this album

843
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,280
and its initial release.

844
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think because glow On was sort

845
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,119
of like the most immediate kind of like we're just

846
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,880
taking you know, pop music and hardcore. We're smashing them

847
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,840
together for the most immediate sort of shot of joy

848
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,800
you can get from a record, and everyone fucking loves it,

849
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,079
because how can you not love an album that is

850
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,039
just that, like life affirming and joyous and inventive. And

851
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,679
this is kind of like, okay, we've done that, how

852
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,599
can we develop that into hoevers and it's kind of

853
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:54,480
like being like the more patient like drawn out, not

854
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:57,039
drawn out, but like it is a more patient less

855
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:01,039
kind of like immediate like shot of like Sugar Rush album,

856
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,280
there is more going on here, and I think it

857
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,920
means it's gonna take I think it's going to take

858
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,039
time for people to sort of really settle in to this.

859
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:11,239
I mean again, I'm coming at from the perspective of

860
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,480
having just seen a healthy chunk of this album live

861
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,800
and again, probably good when we pressed the Outbreak review back,

862
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
because I would have spaffed my load on this album

863
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,079
in the live reviews. But like, I'm coming out from

864
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,119
this and that's why I can I've got a real

865
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,199
idea of how I feel about this album now. But

866
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,159
even then, in my position, while I was kind of like, yeah,

867
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,159
this is you know, it's going to take a little

868
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:32,880
bit of time to sell into this Turnstile record. I

869
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,719
think it's interesting and I think they've done some really

870
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,159
cool things, But is it like the immediate kind of like,

871
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,639
oh my god, this is the greatest album of the year. Yeah,

872
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:45,400
woo woo party. Was it immediately that? I guess Yeah.

873
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: I think bands in this position where you're following up

874
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,159
a classic that's so conclusively a classic, even so quickly

875
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,599
it On one hand, it's a brilliant position, particularly Turnstars,

876
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,000
because all the stuff WI was staying around of being

877
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,360
uncharted territory, what can they achieve what they do and

878
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,719
the style of music that they were working with on

879
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,159
glow On, it set up so many different interesting paths

880
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:10,639
that could take. But on the other hand, when you

881
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,840
do the thing that's new so perfectly the first time,

882
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,920
it's like, would do you repeat it and risk being

883
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,480
compared to it forever? Or do you change more? Do

884
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:24,000
you go further away from hardcore and risk alienating those people?

885
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,519
I kind of when this record came out, I expected

886
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,599
that this was not going to have the same actress

887
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:32,639
response as glow On, because you know, it's a different

888
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:38,480
sort of landscape, different expectations. I without getting too far

889
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,400
into it, it never occurred to me that I didn't

890
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920
think I wouldn't think this record was brilliant because every

891
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,519
Turnstar record up to this one has been a shoe

892
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,760
in for like top five of the year. NonStop Feeling

893
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,079
was top three time and Space number five. I think

894
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,639
glow On was probably neck and neck. It was one

895
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,880
or two for album of the year. It's only been

896
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,679
out for two weeks and I've not seen them live

897
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,280
on this record or anything like that. But I am

898
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,199
kind of in that camp of people who have found

899
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,280
this record a bit middling.

900
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked this record quite a lot. I think

901
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,199
my perspective is maybe a little different to the standard

902
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,760
because of where I was at with go On, which,

903
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:21,679
you know, the first thing to say is that I

904
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,320
love that record, and you know, what Turnstile became off

905
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,639
the back of it sort of culturally was so fresh

906
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,760
and it's just such a positive thing to have around absolutely,

907
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,000
But I think maybe people would actually surprised at how

908
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,679
little I have listened to glow On, like outside of

909
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,800
the like omnipresent big hitters on it in the year since,

910
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,159
because it's a great album, but it didn't make my

911
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,679
personal top twenty that year, and like I remember us

912
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,559
reviewing it and me saying how much I was enjoying

913
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,079
the record, but that I think my personal peak with

914
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:53,519
this band was like on Time and Space, that's still

915
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,440
the one that gets me going the most, and glow

916
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:58,920
On was obviously moving into something else, and I love

917
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,159
what Turnstile has become, and I love that they're doing it.

918
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,239
But compared to the people who, like you know, will

919
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,199
regularly say on our socials that glow On is like

920
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,199
one of their favorite albums of all time or something,

921
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,920
it's a different relationship, right, Like, I don't feel that

922
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,000
way about it. I give that record like an eight

923
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:14,880
out of ten, you know, and that makes me a

924
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,960
fucking madman pariah because.

925
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: I merely love the record. Right.

926
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:22,039
Speaker 1: But the criticisms I have most commonly seen about this record,

927
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,960
I understand them completely because they're things that I feel

928
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,599
like I saw coming a bit on glow On. Like

929
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,000
the criticisms that I have commonly seen, things like downplaying

930
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,039
of riffs somewhat into a certain turnstyle kind of you know, formula,

931
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,840
the lengthy detours into pop territory, but also simultaneously sort

932
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,480
of pegging that combo down into a sort of like

933
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,719
stock turnstile sort of sound. Like I'm looking at this

934
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,800
album as again, a like a perfectly foreseeable continuation of

935
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,840
something that is clearly coming out of glow On. I

936
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,719
think in a way that makes me more open to

937
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,000
just like taking this album as it is and just

938
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,079
enjoying it without that kind of weight of expectation in

939
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,320
the same way, how are you guys feeling. I guess

940
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,159
Ellie you're saying you're a little bit middling on it.

941
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:09,639
Speaker 2: Sam, you love it, spacking my load over this album.

942
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,400
I think this album is fucking amazing. I don't think

943
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,760
it's just going to go on and right now. But

944
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,800
for me, this is this is what I wanted the

945
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
kind of the next stept from going to be. And

946
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,280
again I hear some of these criticisms. I hear people

947
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,960
sort of saying about the riffs on that, but I'm like,

948
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:25,800
I don't get it with them. The people send the

949
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,239
guitars are week in this album, I'm like, and there's

950
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,719
no hardcore and all these things, And I'm like, are

951
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,199
you when you're saying that no hardcore? You saying because

952
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,000
there's no beatdowns? Is that where you're sending the guitars

953
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,599
a week and there's no hardcore? Like, is that what

954
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,679
your kind of like tunnel vision view of hardcore is?

955
00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:43,519
Because they've still so much hardcore and punk all over

956
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,039
this record. It's just got so much more stuff coloring it.

957
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,679
Like there are some criticisms which I will hear out

958
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
and I will get onto with certain songs where there

959
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,199
are things that I'm kind of go like, I get

960
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,800
why you other pem with that. Me less so, but

961
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,559
I'm kind of more willing to hear that. But some

962
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:01,000
of the because is about those sort of the lack

963
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,559
of hardcore, the lack of rifts and all that sort

964
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,880
of thing. I'm just like, I don't get it. I

965
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:06,960
fucking love the rifts on this album. They're not, you know,

966
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,320
they're not you know, the most like sledgehammer Mos rifts ever,

967
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,239
but they fucking pop off every time they do. And

968
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,559
there were just so many moments of the sulbum that

969
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,559
just when I'm just listening to it, I just I'm happy,

970
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,559
I'm just joyous. I'm singing along again. The pop elements

971
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,800
of this album. These choruses have been stuck in my

972
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,000
head for the last few weeks. I already knew every

973
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:29,559
single chorus they played live when I saw it live,

974
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,480
and that was a week that was like a week

975
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,760
after the album, and again, handing even listened to the

976
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,880
album made as much as I might have, but those

977
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,840
choruses to me, were just instantaneous, and I like never enough.

978
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,000
Opener It's maybe one of the weakest songs on the

979
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:43,880
album because it's kind of just like weird. I don't

980
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,400
agree with that like I think it is. I think

981
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:47,719
the week songs of the album I really like having.

982
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,079
It's a great song, but it obviously you know, it's

983
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,440
the low energy version of Mystery, which was such a

984
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,559
like perfect way to open glow On, and this is

985
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:58,760
kind of like chill via version of it. But again,

986
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:02,840
that chorus of the chorus is two words like like

987
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,559
that that I'd been never in the for like weeks

988
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:07,840
and weeks and weeks now, but I've just been so

989
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,280
just in the mo in the like the exact zone

990
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,360
for this album. It's been gloriously sunny and if I'm

991
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,360
out on a walk in the sunshine, I'm putting this

992
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,159
album on and I am in the kind of like

993
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,079
clear blue bliss of the album cover, Yeah, having the

994
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:20,480
best time.

995
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: I think we all agree that it's not as good

996
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,000
as glow On. For what I said about the criticism

997
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,360
of this record, I think stem out of glow On,

998
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,840
and in some way you could see them coming. I

999
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,679
do have to make clear that you know, I think

1000
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,559
glow On does it better, but this is, uh, it's

1001
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,960
certainly a SOB with an affinity for the pre glow

1002
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,639
On records. This is I think the least great Turnstile

1003
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:44,840
album today. But we are talking about a record that

1004
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,320
is sitting in this kind of unmapped territory that we're

1005
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,920
talking about with Turnstile breaching, and there are almost like,

1006
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,519
I don't want to say teething problems because they did

1007
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,639
it on glow On, but almost like, you know, the

1008
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,920
the intricacies of trying to make trade offs and balances

1009
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,840
between the different areas that they are, like, you know,

1010
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,880
exploring on a record like this, and even if they

1011
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,119
don't necessarily one hundredercent nail it on every single thing,

1012
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,159
I think there's an interesting and brave kind of element

1013
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,159
to hearing them try and kind of balance these things,

1014
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,119
and you know, there'd be much conversation about how this

1015
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,760
record is maybe more naturally comparable to the sort of

1016
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,400
melding pots of alternative music you would get on say

1017
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:25,280
like Jan's Addictions albums in the nineties or even like

1018
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,039
early Red Hot Chili Peppers or something like that, Like

1019
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,800
more than like pure punk rock ones. It's just a

1020
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,320
Turnstile doing that with like their flow being hardcore punk

1021
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,360
that they're then building the top of the fact that

1022
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,559
record is now forty five minutes long. I think is

1023
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,760
a you know, it's a bigger ask. That is something

1024
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,880
that seems a hardcore ish to a degree, and I

1025
00:48:44,039 --> 00:48:47,360
think listening with a kind of smallgas board attitude with

1026
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,480
you know, kind of what tasty treats and surprises have

1027
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,760
turned out got in store for me. I enjoy the

1028
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,199
experience because it is a highly experimental album. It bizarrely

1029
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,519
is at times sort of self derivative and also at

1030
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,360
times very brave, and like I said, map charting is

1031
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,239
kind of unmapped territory just to follow straight into never enough,

1032
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,320
because you're saying it for us. When we first heard it,

1033
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,639
we were like, oh, it is kind of like you know,

1034
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,679
Stock Turnstile song opener. To a degree, I think they

1035
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,239
do just work their impish magic when it comes to earworms,

1036
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,000
because I've probably listened to that song as a standalone single,

1037
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:23,039
even less than like you did, but for weeks, certainly

1038
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:25,599
since I watched the Baltimore pop up concert thing they did.

1039
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:30,400
Since that, I have just been doing I don't even

1040
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,920
know the words, but the melody, just fully spontaneously singing

1041
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,559
it for weeks, and you combine that with the kind

1042
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,320
of the thing that turns out I've mapped out of

1043
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,599
like this dream poppish, serene hardcore. You could say it

1044
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,000
is lower energy mystery, but I think this leans more

1045
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,400
into that, and I think this has an ability for

1046
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,880
like a kind of pop hardcore on songs like that

1047
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,480
that kind of gives, you know, turns out their edge.

1048
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,079
And I think, you know, for as much as we're

1049
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,800
gonna make criticisms about this album, I think it certainly

1050
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,119
an Elliott Will Elliot, probably much more heavily. I enjoyed

1051
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:04,679
this record probably a lot more than other hardcore records

1052
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,280
we have reviewed, and we've just been like, yeah, this

1053
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,239
is great because this has an X factor that is

1054
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,679
particular two turnstile and at its best on this it

1055
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,599
feels amazing. And the way that Never Enough is not

1056
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,800
like a explosive banger single, the way that Holiday Are

1057
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,199
even a mystery was, but it kind of glides in

1058
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,480
this really special way, and there is something about that

1059
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:27,159
when Tars are able to achieve it on an album

1060
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,880
like this that is quite again, you can take it

1061
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
whatever else they might be doing, but that element is

1062
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:32,599
so special.

1063
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like in the first four songs

1064
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,079
in particular. I had this on the first list I've

1065
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,239
had on ever listen since I get like euphorically happy

1066
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,880
over those first four songs. Yeah, I think I was

1067
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,760
so knowned about that band's ripping turnstyle off. It's one

1068
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,000
of the things which I find so off putting in bands,

1069
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:51,079
and where it's when it's really obvious which modern band

1070
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,400
you're looking to and going Okay, we'll do that. And

1071
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,639
Turnstile are so distinct in their combination of things that

1072
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,079
it's just blatant when someone tries.

1073
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: To do it.

1074
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 3: And those first four songs are like other bands in

1075
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,880
theory could put this together. But it's like you say,

1076
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,760
that X factor is just it's the pixie dust which

1077
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,280
makes all the difference, like the production of it, the performances,

1078
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,599
that there's something about it. Even though it is often

1079
00:51:21,639 --> 00:51:25,079
quite kind of low key and chilled out, and even

1080
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,559
when it's kind of going hard this record it's going

1081
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,599
less hard than Turnstar Records previously, it does just have

1082
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,920
this I mean, it's like it's its own energy source

1083
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,079
or something. It's just this light kind of shines out

1084
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,800
of it. And when this record hits its peaks and

1085
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,239
it does have a few. I'm not gonna say it's

1086
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,880
as high as the peaks on every other Turnstar record,

1087
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,400
but it's to the standard that I was hoping for

1088
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,719
this record. And first four songs, title track, Soul, Eye Care,

1089
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,119
and Dreaming as a run, I was just like, oh

1090
00:51:53,199 --> 00:51:55,000
my god, they've fucking done it. And it's exactly what

1091
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:59,199
you're saying. It's just the Turnstile thing is. When they

1092
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,800
let it off, it just irrepressible.

1093
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree that those Firth four songs are

1094
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,960
such that like each one is so different, but each

1095
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,159
one is just wonderfully kind of like comes out of

1096
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:11,400
the next to represent a new part of the Turnstile

1097
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,719
kind of pie, you know, Like Soul of those is

1098
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,639
the hardcore song. And again we were talking about when

1099
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:17,920
never enough of that as a single, and we're like,

1100
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,119
it seems to be building to something and it's just

1101
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,280
very gratified here and go ah, and then they're off

1102
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,480
on that. Yeah, we'll get onto. I think I Care

1103
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,599
maybe a bit, because theres obviously another side of this record,

1104
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,320
but to go into Dreaming, where it feels like a

1105
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,039
very distinct Turnstile party trick now to have like a

1106
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,599
hardcore rhythm be inflected with something else you think about

1107
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,760
the weird that well, like you know, electronic drum effects

1108
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,119
or whatever you have in like a blackout on the

1109
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:47,119
last album. But here where it's Dreaming, it's Turnstile Mario

1110
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,079
party and it kind of says a lot that I

1111
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,800
wasn't even surprised when it happened. It just felt like

1112
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,599
a perfectly natural like, yeah, Turns are going to play

1113
00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,199
in that lane now with trumpets and marimba, and I

1114
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,159
think there's someone from like Bad Bad not Good involved

1115
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:02,880
with that record, and it's like, of course they're like,

1116
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,800
you know, those are gonna be the circles in which

1117
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,239
they are like hanging now and it bangs.

1118
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: Dreaming was when I was like everyone saying, oh, this

1119
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,199
is just blowing, and I was like, where are the

1120
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,440
trumpets on golow On? I know, as you've said, them

1121
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:16,760
kind of inflect with it, yeah, like it's yeah, But

1122
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,719
I was like, if your hips are not shaking when

1123
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,039
Dreaming kicks off properly and those trumpets, I cannot, Like

1124
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,960
you must not like music again, Like a Scarf fan

1125
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:34,639
speaks like the Scarf is just so joyous, I mean

1126
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:38,119
on this album, like on these first run of songs

1127
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,519
like again like never scrip, but that the soul, I

1128
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,719
care dreaming, run, I Am in Heaven on these sort

1129
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,480
of songs. This is like perfect to me, there is

1130
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,880
so much going on. That riff on soul is like

1131
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,599
perfect sort of pop hardcore Turnstile like in the full

1132
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:59,519
yelp vocal until the end of that song where you

1133
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:00,880
get to the break down and he sort of brings

1134
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,360
it in and he's and it's like going harder then,

1135
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,239
but that's so like again really simple one word, chan't it,

1136
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,320
but it's such an earworm. Daniel drummer on this he

1137
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:13,480
is really stepped upon this album. I think he's done

1138
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:16,079
his best work with Turnstile on this record of kind

1139
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:18,320
of just like having a real like being able to

1140
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,119
sit in so many different pockets and going like really

1141
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,280
for the most he's doing like the follow hardcore punk,

1142
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,039
fast drumming and other times where his rhythms are so

1143
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,559
complex and so intricate and so much fun and he

1144
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,039
kind of like really makes the album pop, where like

1145
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,400
again the guitarist are kind of doing what you'd expect

1146
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,440
from Turnstile, but it's all the other sort of things

1147
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,760
they color it in with be it the kind of

1148
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,119
like ambient interludes, the electronics, the pop vocals, the choruses,

1149
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,159
like nothing else that's been done in hardcore. Again, even

1150
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,079
if we're saying like you know, Exclinguis and bow On,

1151
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:48,679
there are still so much in the sum I'm kind

1152
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:50,360
of be like, I don't think a hardcore band would

1153
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,039
ever dreamed of attempting even in these first four songs,

1154
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:55,920
which are sort sort of four of the more immediate

1155
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,880
songs on the record, I think it's so adventurous and

1156
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,599
like really ambitious. Even if it's filtering it through the

1157
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,079
turnstile sound, we know the ambition is undeniable.

1158
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,119
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you could certainly say that the pop

1159
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,679
experiments go much further, like the glow On to some

1160
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,480
degree started it. You could say it's like before then,

1161
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
but glow On certainly established it, you know, stuff like

1162
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:16,039
Underwater Boy or whatever.

1163
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:16,519
Speaker 3: This.

1164
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:19,199
Speaker 1: I think one of the things I remember saying about

1165
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:22,400
glow On is felt some of those songs were parts

1166
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,199
of the record more than they were actually like one

1167
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,840
hundred percent fleshed out, owning those territories all the time,

1168
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,320
and when they slip into I Care on this in

1169
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,000
that opening run and it is basically just Duran Duran

1170
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:36,639
have turned up. It is the most fully developed they've

1171
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,440
gone into those territories. And that might be my favorite

1172
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,159
song of that sort of you know mode that Turnstyle

1173
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,119
have done today, Like they do a couple sort of

1174
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:46,400
different takes on something like that on this record, but

1175
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:49,519
I Care is my favorite one on it because not

1176
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,800
only are the new wave guitars and the rhythm sections

1177
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,400
so adept, but those like earworm, Brenda melodies right again

1178
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:57,320
skipping around.

1179
00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm happy to give myself away.

1180
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: So firmly lodged, And I do think there's something about

1181
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,840
that on this record that is very authentic to the

1182
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,320
lineage of like punk rock leading into new wave in

1183
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,079
the eighties and you know your Blondies and the Police

1184
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,719
and so on, who basically turned you know, something that

1185
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,880
was derived from punk rock into pop music. By embracing

1186
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,280
those other elements, I think it would be you'd have

1187
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,480
to be quite again Tunnel Visions to like and the

1188
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:29,400
criticized Turnstile really heavily for you know, like going into

1189
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,519
those elements of this kind of length, because I don't

1190
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,760
think it's so simple or gimmicky as like, oh, look

1191
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,639
we've done a synthpop song. It really feels like it's

1192
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,280
quite thoughtfully drawing these kind of connections between like punk,

1193
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,639
new wave, whatever, but in this sort of like twenty

1194
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:46,679
twenties context and something like I Care and again when

1195
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,760
the big roaring power chord in the chorus comes in

1196
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,320
and it gets a bit harder, I found it pretty seamless.

1197
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: Actually yeah, I mean. One of the things that I

1198
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:56,280
loved about Glow On and one of the reason why

1199
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,239
my first experienced listen to that record is one of

1200
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:59,960
my most vivid memories of ever listening to a new

1201
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,440
record was when every song came in it fella, You've

1202
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,519
got a little new trick. And the one that always

1203
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:07,119
sticks my head is in don't play when the sort

1204
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,840
of wee sports resort piano hook comes into the course,

1205
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,320
just I've never heard, I don't know, ever heard a

1206
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,440
rock band do that, and now it's a hardcore band

1207
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,440
I never expected it from and Turnstile managing to keep

1208
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,679
that up when I'm going in kind of braced for

1209
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,440
that is super impressive. Like again I Care, basically being

1210
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,760
a police song with a bit that sounds like like

1211
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,039
the since almost I'm an owl city for one second

1212
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,320
on this song and again it's like I've made that

1213
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,519
sound bad, but it's exceptional. It's one of the best

1214
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,039
songs I've ever written in this style, dreaming, like when

1215
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:43,199
the samba bit comes in just so like buoyant and

1216
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,119
fresh and exciting. Like again, I kind of want to

1217
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:49,559
make sure this is clear at the top. The stuff.

1218
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,119
A lot of the stuff this record introduces I'm a

1219
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,480
huge fan of. And we'll get into the riffs later

1220
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:55,920
because I do think there is some discussion to be

1221
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,880
had there, but part of me doesn't want to give

1222
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,360
it too much grief for that because I've really think

1223
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,400
it picks up the slack with the lead guitars on

1224
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,159
this record, which haven't been as much of a presence

1225
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,280
on a Turnstile record before. And then there's stuff on

1226
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,760
it where it's like they come together and it sounds

1227
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:15,480
like Boston or like one later that almost sounds like

1228
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:18,960
the Darkness. It's like I never asked for this or

1229
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:23,280
expected it or presumed it, but it sounds great, like

1230
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,079
when it when it's woven into songs this good, it

1231
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,440
just it makes them come alive.

1232
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I think light Design feels really fucking great as well,

1233
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,079
when it kind of moves in with that like sort

1234
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,880
of video game synth bassline, and then you get again

1235
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,599
that like Turnstile glide they do that, know, other hardgo

1236
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,679
Around quite do the same way. It's got the accent

1237
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,639
from like the new wave chords and stuff, and then

1238
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,480
Brendan sort of breezes in with that more like yearning

1239
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:48,079
red show and the phone is the production there really.

1240
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: Makes that sound awesome.

1241
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,639
Speaker 1: I think there's again, as a cruel thing with Turnstile

1242
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,599
breaking so far out of the boxonically and becomings identifiable,

1243
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,199
is that even when this album on paper goes much

1244
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:03,880
further than go On into these areas, it feels a

1245
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,199
lot more like the trick is sort of commonplace, and

1246
00:59:06,239 --> 00:59:08,360
it's like it's not commonplace. Really, it's only Turns Doll

1247
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,440
who do it right. But I think maybe part of

1248
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,440
the problem with this record that, to be clear again,

1249
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,760
I really like this record. I'm just trying to gauge

1250
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,559
again why it may not have been like so wholly

1251
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,480
greeted as a smash success as glo On was, is

1252
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:27,599
this record feels like it lacks spontaneity in the way

1253
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:29,199
like a glow On or even I think a time

1254
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:32,760
and Space did with it, experiments have spontaneity. This record

1255
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,760
feels to me very very composed and very very like

1256
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,320
deliberate and thought over in every sort of move it makes.

1257
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,280
And maybe that's not so compatible with what punk is

1258
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,800
meant to be, I suppose, and that we could say

1259
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,599
that realized the experiments. But I think let's go to

1260
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,320
one of the one that I think is I think

1261
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,719
objectively true on this And I don't mean that in

1262
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,320
terms of whether they're good or not, because Sam, you

1263
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:01,960
made position clear and I largely agree. But I do

1264
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:04,079
think it is objectively true that the riffs have become

1265
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,280
diminished in their significance and in their role in the

1266
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,880
music than what.

1267
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:09,639
Speaker 2: They once were.

1268
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: And I think the first track on the record, where

1269
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,199
I found my interest level kind of slipped a bit

1270
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,320
in terms of like I've heard this before, was ironically dull,

1271
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
which I don't think is too bad, but I do

1272
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:24,079
think is as a placeholder Turnstile riff, isn't it, And

1273
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:25,800
I think it's one of a few examples on this

1274
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,840
where you hear the riff and it's a kind of simplified,

1275
01:00:30,639 --> 01:00:34,239
very basic, playing within its box version of what we

1276
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,400
know the turnstile riffs to be and it's got the

1277
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,639
little embellishments on that little metronyme clickie thing at the

1278
01:00:39,679 --> 01:00:42,320
start and stuff. And the melodies aren't bad, but I

1279
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,760
hear him going I'm going dull and the riff is

1280
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,239
a riff that you would It's one I think you'd

1281
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,000
recognize as Turnstile instantaneously, but not one that you would

1282
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400
ever think about independently in the way you might like

1283
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,719
a holiday or you know, a real thing or something.

1284
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,199
And Ellie, I mean, Sam has been making incredulous faces

1285
01:00:58,199 --> 01:00:59,840
this whole time, Elliot, you understand what I'm saying.

1286
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I just said.

1287
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: I think like this album steps up the Turnstar thing

1288
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,920
in a number of ways, Like I would agree the drums.

1289
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:09,199
I think it's his best performance. The production is fantastic.

1290
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:13,360
It's hard to exactly explain what it is about the

1291
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,400
riffs that's lacking this time. But one of the things

1292
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,519
that's great about Turnstile on the previous records is their

1293
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:25,159
rifts are so simple, where every time like you hear

1294
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,239
real thing or again, don't play or blackout or TLC

1295
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,559
or drop, you just want to like face palm and

1296
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:34,159
go why didn't I write that I should have like,

1297
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,639
I'm not a great it's sitting there. They seem so

1298
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,559
obvious once you've heard them, and a lot of the

1299
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:44,199
best riffs are like that. And these rifts feel a

1300
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:49,039
bit like Xerox is of those where they're very simple.

1301
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,119
They're really straightforward. They kind of do the same thing.

1302
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:57,280
But my instant reaction isn't listen to that that's in

1303
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,519
my head forever. It's just, yeah, that's the that's the

1304
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,960
sort of thing I was enjoying before. And it's not

1305
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,639
all of them. There are some good ones on this record.

1306
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,519
But one thing I noticed was when I was thinking

1307
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,159
back to Stripping and No, I really like that riff

1308
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,599
on that song. I would humm it to myself and

1309
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:14,360
then realize I was doing another song like like Birds,

1310
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,559
the sort of four forbit in that I realized I

1311
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,239
was just doing TLC and like, that's true on a

1312
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,239
Dull Sunshower slow Dive, like they kind of just feel

1313
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,719
like again, not bad riffs. They're not humiliated, not embarrassing,

1314
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:33,800
but they're very they sort of come se commes out.

1315
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,000
They feel more like placeholders than they do like moments

1316
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:36,440
in the song.

1317
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dull would be the one I would use as

1318
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,480
like the clearest example of this, Like I said, Turnstile

1319
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,800
placeholder riff is how I would sort of describe. It

1320
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,639
doesn't feel bad, to be clear, because Turnstar riffs feel good,

1321
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,039
but it doesn't feel like one of their exceptional ones.

1322
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:53,159
Speaker 2: And I do think I'll give you dollt on that one.

1323
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Turnstile like mega riff game, I think has

1324
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,800
been Record upon Record being brought more into a certain

1325
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,440
part because you go out to non Stop Feeling and

1326
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:05,000
they are like the riff band in hardcore at that

1327
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:07,159
point in time, Like so much of non Stop Feelings

1328
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:11,239
appeal is dinner in it and all that kind of shit,

1329
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,079
and you know that sort of stomping, you know, hardcore

1330
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,559
by way of Metallica or whatever, kind of bringing their

1331
01:03:17,559 --> 01:03:19,199
foot down on top of mountains. And this is the

1332
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:21,920
production on that record, and the snare is hilarious and

1333
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,079
the guitar is just so like like fat. I think

1334
01:03:25,159 --> 01:03:27,880
Record upon Record reaching a sort of critical mass here.

1335
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,639
They'd been made tidy right, and the Turnstile riffs they

1336
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:35,039
act the same, but they've been made more like contained

1337
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:38,840
because they kind of are now just the sort of

1338
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,480
foundation for them to do these other things, But it

1339
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,480
means that the songs that are like primary riff songs

1340
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:48,280
in their focus, they don't explode the way that I

1341
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,280
think they did explode more ten years ago. And I

1342
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,840
think that's just part of the trade off they are

1343
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,239
making in what elements they are expanding in their music

1344
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,000
and what elements in their music seem to be sort

1345
01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:58,239
of shrinking in themselves a bit.

1346
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,199
Speaker 2: The Doll riff is what I'm going to like. Yeah,

1347
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:03,880
I'm pretty sure Turns I'll probably have played that rift before.

1348
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:05,840
I fucking love that riff, so I'm not going to

1349
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,239
complain about it. And again, that song's got loads of

1350
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,079
great little like deep in the There and Waiting for

1351
01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,960
the got loads of again catchier worm bits. But I

1352
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:15,440
think there are other riffs on this album that are

1353
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:18,719
that feel totally unique and new for Turnstile, but almost

1354
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,039
gonna feel like again like, why haven't Turns I've done

1355
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,760
that rift before? It's so simple and so genius. And again,

1356
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,840
like I love about Turnstile rift playing, but I kind

1357
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,039
of have like for me, it's not that the cards

1358
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:30,679
have felt lessened. It kind of feels like the guitars

1359
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:32,320
are exactly as much they need to be on this

1360
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,320
record because there's just so much else and it stops

1361
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,920
the album from being a kind of like unwieldy mess

1362
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,639
because it's like the rifts come in at the exact

1363
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,360
moment I want the rift to come in to perk

1364
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,039
me up after I've kind of been like basking in

1365
01:04:46,119 --> 01:04:48,920
the warm glow of the sunshine. On this record, It's

1366
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,239
it's all completely in the right place for me. And again,

1367
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,480
like that's why, that's why I don't buy into this

1368
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,559
idea that like that like the hardcore, there's not there's

1369
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:01,679
barely any whole I think that is. It's just it's

1370
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,679
there's so much more to go along with it, because

1371
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:06,679
again it's a longer records. There's probably not a lot

1372
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,199
less hardcore on this album than there might have been

1373
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,679
some of the shorter Turn style records. There's an argument,

1374
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,360
but it's just that there's there's so much more to me.

1375
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,599
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us are making that there's

1376
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,320
no one no other people are. Yeah, I think what

1377
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,119
you're trying to communicate to the wrong people here.

1378
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,559
Speaker 2: So that's part I'm making a general point, like the

1379
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,000
discourse around this album, rather than like you too.

1380
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm saying that I don't think like arguing that

1381
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,239
how much hardcore is or is it on this record

1382
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,360
isn't really the point really, So we'll just kind of

1383
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,440
park that. When you were saying about like other riffs

1384
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,639
that are like different, are you talking about slow Dive,

1385
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,119
which is Turnstile ripping off sleep Weaf for some reason,

1386
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:46,719
I don't know why that riff is sweetlyaf. I don't

1387
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,480
I don't dislike it, to be clear, I was just like,

1388
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,199
why it turns down sweetly?

1389
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,079
Speaker 2: Its great? Yeah? Sure, look Out for Me is like

1390
01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:54,960
the riff where again, that is the one that feels

1391
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:57,760
like a riff that like turns I probably should have

1392
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,760
done that riff before, but I don't know have the

1393
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:04,079
way comes out of that build up after after Sunshower,

1394
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:06,280
which is you know, like as nice seconds of like

1395
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,679
crazy hardcore energy and then ultra vibes and the buildings

1396
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,440
that rift dropping on look Out for Me. That feels

1397
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,320
like a new fun kind of like bouncy Turnstile. If

1398
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,679
that is totally different, Yeah, I don't mind look Out

1399
01:06:17,679 --> 01:06:18,880
for Me. It's not one of my favorite songs on

1400
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,400
the record. I think I do think the first run

1401
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,440
on this record is stronger than the second half, which

1402
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,480
I maybe to some degree might have felt about Glow

1403
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:27,800
On as well. But I do think Glow On the

1404
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,119
back half still has like you know, in like TLC

1405
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,400
on the back half and stuff, so it still has

1406
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,960
its proper like weight lar moments.

1407
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I think the criticism around this record maybe

1408
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,000
they become more prominent into the back half. I quite

1409
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,519
like the minute and a half of like fun speedy

1410
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:45,840
hardcore on Sunshower, and then it does just go very

1411
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,119
rainforest cafe, doesn't it with with with the flutes, And I.

1412
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,199
Speaker 2: Think hardcore is all the thing now, like yeah.

1413
01:06:52,039 --> 01:06:54,119
Speaker 1: And when I was saying about this the trick becoming commonplace,

1414
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:58,760
I think there is an odd predictability bizarrely, even though

1415
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,800
they are the only bad and certainly doing it to

1416
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,320
this degree. And again this is what I say about

1417
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,679
the cruel kind of you know, ironic trade off of it,

1418
01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:09,960
but that I think when turns down, now go we're

1419
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,000
gonna go crazy hardcore and then the second half of

1420
01:07:12,039 --> 01:07:14,599
the song is gonna be like Beach House or Taming

1421
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,239
Parlor or something, which look out for me is like

1422
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,719
a really expanded version of like here's a three minute

1423
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,840
you know sort of rock song, and then yeah, full

1424
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,639
indie dreamsgate for another few minutes again, the back half

1425
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:28,719
of that song, the whole building you know, percussion thing.

1426
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,400
I think it's pretty cool. It sounds neat, But I

1427
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,039
think bizarrely, even though this has the furthest experimentation of

1428
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,719
any Turnstile album, I think it's just the level of

1429
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:41,800
sensation maybe of like moments per minute is lower because

1430
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,039
it is much more kind of like measured and to

1431
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,360
some degree predictable in its kind of way of deploying it.

1432
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 3: I think we're kind of arriving at what I think

1433
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,239
is the main problem with this record, and for me,

1434
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,519
it's devastating because it was one of my favorite things

1435
01:07:57,559 --> 01:07:59,679
about the last one is something that I was actually

1436
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:01,559
looking forward to hearing more of, but it's proven to

1437
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:04,159
be something of an issue for me. That sort of

1438
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:09,519
dreamy indie pop disco ambient like what that sort of

1439
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,320
uber of sounds that they're pulling from. I do think

1440
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,119
it takes a bit too much of the runtime for

1441
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:19,600
my money, But I also just don't think they're nearly

1442
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,800
as good at it as they are the hardcore. And

1443
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,439
that's fine because I understand that's not where they come

1444
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,479
from their experiments with those sort of things. But in

1445
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,960
the and I'm not sure if there's gonna go down

1446
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,279
very well, but if we're going to be fair, and

1447
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,680
I can't believe I'm gonna make this comparison, but you know,

1448
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,760
we've talked about sleep Token and bands who people who

1449
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,520
go like you know, and people got they're doing pop

1450
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,399
and R and B and it's amazing, you know, Yeah,

1451
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:43,920
but the people who like that stuff aren't impressed by

1452
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:45,960
They go, no, they're bad at it. I wouldn't go

1453
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,520
that far, but I listened to quite a bit of

1454
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,680
stuff that this draws on, stuff like Animal Collective, talking heads,

1455
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,640
you know, and some of the more hip hop ori

1456
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:59,039
into stuff on a tribal quest whatever, and it's not

1457
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:02,039
really near enough that standard for me to justify how

1458
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:03,600
present it is here. And on the song like look

1459
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,960
Out for Me, which I think is a cool song,

1460
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,560
but it's a cool three minute song, and the sort

1461
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,279
of four minutes of you know, kind of nice sounding

1462
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,960
music that sort of trails into it's quite a cool

1463
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,840
sensation the first time, but then on repeated listens it

1464
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,359
gets to that point I just think like, okay, fine,

1465
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,760
And that's after the sort of flute bit on SunShot,

1466
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,720
which again is cool, but on the second listen, I'm

1467
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,800
not quite as excited. And when I first listened to

1468
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,319
this record, me and my friend were doing a like

1469
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,600
an album listening thing on Spotify where we're listening to

1470
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,840
it both at once, and we were kind of communicating,

1471
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,439
going like, it's a bit too much of the the

1472
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,880
sort of flutey disco stuff. It'll turn around, you know,

1473
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:43,119
we'll see they'll balance it out. And we kept looking

1474
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:46,399
at that one minute runtime on Ceiling and just going

1475
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,439
like that is going to be storm Troopers of Death.

1476
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,840
That is going to be a minute of Scotty and

1477
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:56,079
an avalanche of riffs. And then it's more ultra laid

1478
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,960
back ambient and it's it's not bad, like it's sound

1479
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,119
sounds perfectly pleasant, but I do think it's a real

1480
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,560
excitement killer. And that wasn't an issue. Want to go

1481
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,399
on like the album was enhanced by those moments. It

1482
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,960
didn't feel like it was having to drag them around.

1483
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I generally sort of agree. I think again,

1484
01:10:16,399 --> 01:10:18,319
apparently like there's guests and people like Hailey Williams and

1485
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:20,640
stuff are on this record, but it's it's almost like

1486
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,159
having them listed at all feels performative because it's like

1487
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:26,000
they are subsumed into the vibe of the record basically,

1488
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,199
and I think the record does kind of like it

1489
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,279
close to the end. I think the worst example for

1490
01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:32,520
me would be the final track, magic Man, which is

1491
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,840
maybe just kind of like the most just shrug ending

1492
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,960
to a Turnstile record that, bizarrely, again, you could have

1493
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,560
almost you could have seen it coming that it would

1494
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,880
end on a track like that, and it just feels

1495
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,199
a bit sort of, you know, a bit dull. And

1496
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,079
I think the good example of like the again, the

1497
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:52,920
switching of the sides is that they when they really

1498
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,640
see in Stars and Birds together as a single, it

1499
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,680
makes sense, right because it feels like a good representative

1500
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,640
what the Turnstile trick is. We got a really nice

1501
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,279
sort of new wavy pop song and then I think

1502
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,319
a really great little like punk rock blast in you know, Birds,

1503
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:09,119
both subtly inflected with weird elements each other. I think

1504
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:11,800
that those are my favorites in like the second half

1505
01:11:12,319 --> 01:11:14,439
of the album, the riff that comes in halfway through

1506
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:16,239
Birds you mentioned, I do think that is like it

1507
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,520
kind of sounds like vintage turnstile to some degree with

1508
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,640
Brenda sort of the cause I wrap in like family,

1509
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:26,880
I can't see it, but like that's the part, but

1510
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,279
the the again, the ambient sort of stuff having I

1511
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,720
think the ratio was kind of perfect and go on

1512
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:36,279
and having expanded further into it here, I think the

1513
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:39,159
good results of it are them going much further into

1514
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:42,000
realizing songs like I Care right and full again you know,

1515
01:11:42,039 --> 01:11:45,199
seeing Stars as well. But maybe the trade off is

1516
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,479
the full on, laid back passages. I agree, like I

1517
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,600
think they're nice, even quite decent, but they're not remarkable,

1518
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,560
And I think that's mainly main thing that was saying

1519
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,760
much is you wanted as many moments of this hour

1520
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,199
as possible to be remarkable rather than a little bit

1521
01:12:01,359 --> 01:12:04,319
yet of you know, sort of sort of middling. And

1522
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,800
I think, thinking about this album intellectually, on the one hand,

1523
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,640
that's that's my kind of trade offs. On the one hand,

1524
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,560
I'm really excited and impressed by how far they're sort

1525
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,119
of you know, their tendrils are moving into continually doing

1526
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:19,159
stuff that hardcore bands are not meant to do. And

1527
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:21,479
I do love having like Soul and I Care next

1528
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,680
to each other on this record, And on the other hand,

1529
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,079
I think it is presented in like the cleanest, tidiest,

1530
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,399
most worked over turnstile recording and delivery method. That is,

1531
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,039
it's not as conducive as when they're in their twenties

1532
01:12:37,039 --> 01:12:40,000
playing sweatbox venues to making that feel so kind of

1533
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,159
explosive and off the cuff, and I just think that's

1534
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,359
the that sort of the devil's bargain that's being made

1535
01:12:45,399 --> 01:12:45,880
with this record.

1536
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 2: I'm being silenced. I'm not allowed to talk about how

1537
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,520
good turnstyle are. You're silent mement. But the thing is,

1538
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,640
I do agree with the point you're making of that

1539
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,960
devil's bargain thing ian to what we made. Like I

1540
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,399
gave this to a friend who doesn't like rock music

1541
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,239
and he liked it and sort of dreampop and all that,

1542
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,920
and he was like, of all the bands of you've

1543
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,920
social me, do this sort of thing turns on? Do

1544
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,279
it better than most other bands? So I'm like, again,

1545
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,640
I don't know how. I'm not an expert on the

1546
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,000
the sort of the mid sort stuff. I gave to

1547
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:17,159
a friend who likes that sort of thing, and he

1548
01:13:17,239 --> 01:13:19,119
was like, I understand why you're the where you've come from.

1549
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:20,960
You've been like this is the band of yours and

1550
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,479
that I would like because you're right, because they're doing

1551
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,239
the thing, not the best at it, but it is

1552
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,000
it's well implemented within the sort of the heavier elements. Again,

1553
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:31,479
I mean seeing stars and birds to me is better

1554
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,720
than a hell of a lot of glow on for me.

1555
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,079
I think that is the kind of like peak of

1556
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:36,119
the album that one too of kind of like going

1557
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,880
here is like the peak of pop turnstyle and hardcore

1558
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,479
turns are coming together for something that I just can't

1559
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,239
stop listening to. Again, magic Man probably is a bit

1560
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:47,199
of a freay closer, but I've still been going Magic

1561
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:51,560
Man like every couple days because again, they the melodies,

1562
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,600
the hooks that they just stick to me in a

1563
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,600
way that so few bands can. I think. I think

1564
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,199
as I do go back to people, I do agree

1565
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:03,279
this album is by being so expansive and so ambitious,

1566
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:06,640
has pigeonholed itself into sort of a where it can't

1567
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,239
be explosive, which is I guess what people want from Turnstile,

1568
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,279
which is why I think it's like a kind of

1569
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:14,439
like a really hard thing to hold against them, where

1570
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,079
they've kind of done, almost been set an impossible task

1571
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:21,000
of like, you've got to be the most ambient, chill, serene, lush,

1572
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:23,920
like pretty vibe bad, but you've got to be an explosive,

1573
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,640
violent hardcore band at the same time, all at once.

1574
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,239
How do you do that? And I'm gonna go like, well,

1575
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:31,680
you can't, but I fucking love this version of it.

1576
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,479
And that's where I've kind of landed on the album.

1577
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it is, as we say, a

1578
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,720
sort of I don't want to say a necessary evil,

1579
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,079
but more like a there are trade offs that you

1580
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,079
make when you innovate into areas that don't so naturally

1581
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:49,000
and obviously come together. And I do think by and

1582
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:53,079
large it works tremendously well. It worked pretty perfectly well

1583
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,640
on Goo On, and I think an expansion of it.

1584
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,800
I still really really like so much of what they

1585
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,720
do here, and it is kind of thrilling to hear

1586
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,840
these things. You know, you're hearing a record that hasn't

1587
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,399
been made before, and I think on that alone, you know,

1588
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,239
Turnstile deserve plenty of props. I think it's just I'm

1589
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:14,560
acknowledging the reasons why people who feel this record like

1590
01:15:15,079 --> 01:15:17,039
much colder than I feel on it, which is largely

1591
01:15:17,079 --> 01:15:22,119
pretty warm. I can understand where those feelings may be

1592
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:24,720
coming from, because it is a as we say, maybe

1593
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:30,359
a slightly an unnatural bedfellow to a degree where it

1594
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,199
takes it's almost like a one and fucking a million

1595
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:37,159
shot that you get everything as perfectly laid out together

1596
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,920
on a record of this sort of again duration and

1597
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,960
everything dabbling in this area is trying to put it

1598
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,600
together the way it does. I think I'm personally I'm

1599
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,039
happy for this to have been the album they've made,

1600
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,520
right Like, I think it's got some incredible summer songs

1601
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,279
on it. I personally, I wasn't looking for Turnstile to

1602
01:15:54,319 --> 01:15:56,239
knock out like my you know, ten out of ten

1603
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:59,920
album of the fucking decade or whatever. I was more

1604
01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,079
admiring again the kind of seeing whether the directory could

1605
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:03,279
go and hope we get some jams out of it,

1606
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,560
which as far as what I wanted from this record,

1607
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,039
I've largely got it. But I am acknowledging that I

1608
01:16:08,079 --> 01:16:10,960
do think it is the weakest terms of album so far,

1609
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:14,239
and I think that there are kind of demonstrable reasons

1610
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,039
as to why I would make that case. And I

1611
01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:19,840
know that Sam, you are you know that those things

1612
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,520
are much less of a factor for you and Elliott.

1613
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,600
Those things clearly are more of a factor the position

1614
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,439
we see Turnstile as being right now, at being kind

1615
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,279
of like the top of the alternative mountain or whatever,

1616
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,640
doing these massive things that draw people into harcore who

1617
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,560
wouldn't usually be into it, whatever it may be. I

1618
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,880
don't think that like changes or lessons because some people

1619
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,560
don't like this record, my fondness for them or how

1620
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,359
we talk about them, I think doesn't change in iota really.

1621
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,840
I just think it, you know, again, academically interesting. There

1622
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,520
are trade offs maybe to them evolving the way they have,

1623
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,439
and I think that there is a there's a slickness

1624
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,920
and a worldliness about Turnstile now that doesn't come with raw, gush,

1625
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:01,800
non stop feeling.

1626
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that basically captures what I want

1627
01:17:05,319 --> 01:17:07,760
to say, because I still love Turnstile. I think the

1628
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,119
run of three leading up to this is extraordinary. I

1629
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,159
still love pretty much everything about them. I love the

1630
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,640
way that they're exciting people who you wouldn't expect to

1631
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,760
be excited about a hardcore band. And I think even

1632
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,359
even with this record, which I'm middled by. I still

1633
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:25,960
think it's like them and Code Orange are vying for

1634
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:28,279
like best hardcore band of their generation, and I think

1635
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:32,159
it's not particularly close behind them. Again, I've only had

1636
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:33,520
a couple of weeks with this, and I'm open to

1637
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,560
it changing because there's enough on this record which I

1638
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,640
do think is tremendous. It's but I'd be lying if

1639
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,520
I said I wasn't disappointed that I think this record is,

1640
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,720
you know, maybe a six out of ten, which is

1641
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,760
not what I was expected, which is crazy because it's

1642
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,319
a six out of ten with moments that push ten,

1643
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,000
which drives me nuts. But it doesn't seem possible. I

1644
01:17:56,079 --> 01:17:58,359
can only be honest whether I stand right now. It's frustrated.

1645
01:17:58,399 --> 01:17:59,640
You know, maybe in a month's time i'd have a

1646
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,560
different view of it. Maybe in six months time I'll

1647
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,159
have a different view of it. But yeah, I like,

1648
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:08,479
like you say, it doesn't. It doesn't diminish my warmth

1649
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,720
to Turnstyle at all. I still want I still want

1650
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,079
them to do all those things. I still want them

1651
01:18:13,119 --> 01:18:17,000
to become like a fully fledged Arenaband. I'd love, you know, again,

1652
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,880
it's crazy. I'd love to see them headline dowload or

1653
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:23,439
something one day, who knows. But taking the record as

1654
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,439
it is, it's it's not blown my skirt up the

1655
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,520
way I've been able to align on them for previously.

1656
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,520
Speaker 2: Sure I think the record is better than that.

1657
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: Just there you go, there you go. I think I

1658
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,560
had to pretty measured the new Tails' album never Enough,

1659
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,439
let us know what you make of it. Next up

1660
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,079
it's the Enemies of the National Trust Malevolence, And then

1661
01:18:45,159 --> 01:18:49,640
you have them which which is called where.

1662
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: Only the truth is spoken.

1663
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: Nothing from the realms of like, you know, hardcore or

1664
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,640
adjacent genre is obviously gonna feel big in the same

1665
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,840
way that Turnstile feel big. But Malevolence, it must be said,

1666
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,239
I think have come on some way in terms of

1667
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:06,039
like truly feeling in their own right like a big

1668
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:09,520
band new album. Also their fourth Wordistruth have spoken isat

1669
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,560
today with this episode, and on that point, I think

1670
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:17,640
it's it's quite impressive to take stock of. I remember

1671
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,960
when the second Malevolence album, Self Supremacy, came out, and

1672
01:19:21,079 --> 01:19:24,920
in the late twenty tens, Malevolence had a dedicated fan base,

1673
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:26,880
but it was like four years from their you know,

1674
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:30,159
Hypie you know debut album. It felt a bit like

1675
01:19:30,279 --> 01:19:32,840
the mainstream had just looked over them when it came

1676
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,319
to deciding who were the bands who are going to

1677
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:37,600
be given a real shot, and they just weren't going

1678
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,239
to be allowed to kind of be, you know, peus

1679
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:41,199
much further beyond what they already had when.

1680
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 2: They broke out.

1681
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,199
Speaker 1: I think it's quite remarkable the way that Malevolence basically

1682
01:19:45,319 --> 01:19:47,680
just seem to have demanded that people wake the fuck up,

1683
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,840
because where they sit in the twenty twenties, you know,

1684
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,720
almost a decade on from that point, is a wholly

1685
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,920
different ballgame. And in the last couple of years I

1686
01:19:56,039 --> 01:19:59,720
have seen Malevolence headline the tent and then sub headline

1687
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,159
the main stage at Bloodstock and get genuinely, without hyperbly,

1688
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:06,039
some of the biggest reactions I've ever seen there. Their

1689
01:20:06,079 --> 01:20:07,920
upcoming tour that we spoke about earlier, Speed and Dying

1690
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,359
Wish is like very much one of the you know,

1691
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,239
kind of big tours of the year. Where again on

1692
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:15,399
album two I saw them play the few hundred cap

1693
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,039
Rebellion here in Manchester. Now they're doing Victoria Warehouse and

1694
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,680
Bricks and Academy. On that tour, they there's pretty much

1695
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,520
like an entire Malevolence industry over here now with like

1696
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,680
their label and like their branding and you know, their

1697
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,960
social media wind ups or whatever, like they have a presence. Sam,

1698
01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:33,640
you remember Malevolence in the twenty tens when they were

1699
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,600
more like a kind of a great UK band who

1700
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,319
weren't entirely getting their flowers.

1701
01:20:39,039 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 2: How the fuck has this changed? I mean, I'm like

1702
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,840
I think we said on that sum the keep your

1703
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,800
Distance EP and their grind post covid of being like

1704
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,840
we're just gonna, you know, play all these festivals, pearly

1705
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,319
shows and make people take notice. They're like there was

1706
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:56,439
an attitude shift because like Malevolence always been fucking brilliant,

1707
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,479
Like Rain of Suffering is still on the best metalcore

1708
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,119
hardcore metal because of like the twenty tens, that is

1709
01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:04,560
fucking amazing. I love it so much, and then you know,

1710
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,640
like Ray of Suffering No Subspremacy also really great. There

1711
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,239
was a weird disconnect from Malevolence where hardcore, like hardcore

1712
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:13,640
fans fucking loved them because they came through hardcore despite

1713
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,439
you know, being a groove metal band that just happened

1714
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,439
to you know, from beatdowns and wear tracksuits but like

1715
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,479
that tracksuit element and the beatdown stuff meant metal fans

1716
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,079
and metalcore fans, you know, people who were liking Buryed

1717
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:28,119
Tomorrow while She Sleeps, bringing the Horizon, all those sort

1718
01:21:28,119 --> 01:21:30,520
of things, they wouldn't give them malevolence sort of another

1719
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,960
looking and so they just kind of like were like

1720
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,600
an underground cult band, and then they had their sort

1721
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,399
of crossover moment. It's not been a it's been you know,

1722
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,880
like four years essentially, like five years since that EP now,

1723
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:45,800
so it's not been a short period. It's always been

1724
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,039
about as much time as that kind of initial undergroond

1725
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:51,319
period was. But it just feels like so much has

1726
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,800
changed within that period where they are again one of

1727
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,600
these sort of like biggest and brightest sort of shining

1728
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,000
sort of things in u K metal. They you're right,

1729
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:05,359
they their brand, the levlated like MVLTD like sort of thing,

1730
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,720
so everywhere you go, like I've seen the level of

1731
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,760
shots every show I go to. Now they you know,

1732
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,079
have done so many mean versions of this upcoming album.

1733
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,079
Like they've got such a sort of distinct presence that

1734
01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:18,039
everyone fucking loves them at this point. And like for

1735
01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:19,800
me as a fan who's been there since, not since

1736
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,560
like day one, but since like Renaisson came out. I'm

1737
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,920
just so happy that they've could have been like given

1738
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,199
the time of day to actually be like, yeah, no,

1739
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,199
we're fucking brilliant, and here they are with you know

1740
01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:33,640
We're only true is Spoken, which feels like this is

1741
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:39,000
the most important levelents album ever, where again Melicitia's Intent

1742
01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:42,760
you know got them big. This feels that again, could

1743
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,199
this be down that cements them as you know, the

1744
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,640
the next best, like the best big thing in British metal,

1745
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,279
where other bands have maybe slipped away in the last

1746
01:22:53,319 --> 01:22:56,159
couple of years. Like it's an exciting time for me

1747
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:56,560
as a fan.

1748
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you've got to give their props to

1749
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:00,720
how they've kind of taken every chance at got Basically,

1750
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,199
I would struggle to pick a favorite out of the

1751
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:05,600
first three Malevolence albums. I think all of them have

1752
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:07,800
some kind of case, but I would certainly say that

1753
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,680
Malicious Intent is the most on record. They have felt

1754
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,319
like a big band making big plays and seeing songs

1755
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,880
like Unbroken Glass or Higher Place take over the live

1756
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:21,159
setting and now Your Your Serpent's Chokeholds are almost like

1757
01:23:21,159 --> 01:23:22,520
the little treat you might get at the end as

1758
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,520
an old school fan rather than like the main deal

1759
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,039
you know it. I think Milicitan's intent is a bit

1760
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:30,560
of a star making album. We're only trove spoken what

1761
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,960
Malevolence did go in from their first two albums into

1762
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,960
malicious intent, I would say, as they upped the arena

1763
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:39,600
chorus game, and even though they're still you know, they're

1764
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,279
still royalty in those circles, they felt less like a

1765
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,520
hardcore band doing the mosh thing and more someone who

1766
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,359
could hold their own with the architects and Parkway drives

1767
01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:52,239
of this world. Beyond that, I don't know how much

1768
01:23:52,279 --> 01:23:54,680
else you would be expecting Malevolence to sort of change

1769
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,119
or or level up. They kind of just needed to

1770
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:59,920
do a bit more of it. I suppose Elliott Malevolence

1771
01:24:00,119 --> 01:24:03,399
are maybe more of a Salmini band in terms of

1772
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,720
history with them, But considering as I say, Malevolents are

1773
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,760
now a band looking to punch with the the architects

1774
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,279
and Parkway drives of this world. It's a blessing at

1775
01:24:11,279 --> 01:24:13,760
the moment to have someone aiming to do that while

1776
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:21,159
wholeheartedly centering metal aggression and rifts and grooves and playing

1777
01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:24,000
with a proper wallop behind them, considering when the single

1778
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:25,239
if It's All the Same to You came out and

1779
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:27,600
we were like, this is a popular metalcore band, but

1780
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,199
there's actually bits of fucking Mega Death in this risk

1781
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,079
and that like raise a wire technicality of it in

1782
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:37,079
the kind of context there is there must be some

1783
01:24:37,239 --> 01:24:40,720
kind of like relief and comfort about a Malevolentce album

1784
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,760
and just getting that taste.

1785
01:24:43,079 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you're quite right. Malevolentce are not a

1786
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,880
band that I've ever been like a huge fan of

1787
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,880
a closer. They're weird, but I feel like everyone I've

1788
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:51,840
turned my back, they've gotten bigger. Well I'm just not

1789
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:57,640
paying attention and I come like they're doing wear Malevolence.

1790
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:01,119
And then you listen to this record, it makes that's

1791
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,800
like that whole story all the more heartwarming because you're

1792
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:04,159
quite right.

1793
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:04,520
Speaker 2: I was.

1794
01:25:05,039 --> 01:25:07,239
Speaker 3: There's Mega Death, there's a Lamb of God, there's Black

1795
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:10,239
Label Society, there's Slayer. It feels like for a lot

1796
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:13,760
of crowbar like fucking out like you talk about like

1797
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,279
British medical bands of their generation and the Slayer or

1798
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:19,720
not the Slay, but like the kind of metal that

1799
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,359
they're allowed to draw on a lot of medical bands

1800
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,119
just generally it's like Slayer at the Gates. There's a

1801
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,119
few variations in there. It doesn't necessarily feel that these

1802
01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:32,600
bands have a huge and broad metal diet. Malevolence just

1803
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,680
sound like guys who love metal in all stripes, like

1804
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:41,079
whether it's Judis Priest or fucking like satiric on or whatever,

1805
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:43,279
like not, even if you can't hear it in the record,

1806
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,720
that like joy, that worship of metal totally bleeds through

1807
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,079
with the plague. So even though you know things like

1808
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:52,560
groove metal that kind of beat down e hate breed hardcore,

1809
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,720
there are two kind of wings of like that sort

1810
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,439
of means that I'm not too hot on. Just by

1811
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:06,039
injecting some real euphoric metal into the mix, it makes

1812
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:07,680
a huge difference for a band of this size.

1813
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, a metalcore band with actual metal in it, can

1814
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:11,199
you believe it?

1815
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1816
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,039
Speaker 1: Where the opening riff on this album, Blood of the

1817
01:26:13,119 --> 01:26:16,760
Leach is just a big flex of metal technicality. It's

1818
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,920
almost like the guitar flexibility of a Silosis track or

1819
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,319
something like. It's quite comical, which is how like it

1820
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,439
is all over the blaze. But Malevolence always feel more

1821
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,600
sort of cheeky and flamboyant and sort of like whipping

1822
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,239
their tops off as they do it kind of when

1823
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:32,880
they do those things. And I think it's the feel

1824
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:36,199
of like Bravardo on their records that I always find

1825
01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:39,560
quite infectious of. It's, you know, a sort of hate breedy,

1826
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:43,359
conviction and confidence, but with Pantera swagger, you know, and

1827
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,279
like before the actual songs yeh were like getting into

1828
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:48,920
my head on this record first listen. You just get

1829
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,920
that from it because it's what they always have, right,

1830
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,800
and it makes it difficult to not get swept up

1831
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,800
by them. I had them so in my mind as

1832
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,920
like the again entering metalcore arena state of their kind

1833
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,760
of career that I was almost taken off guard by

1834
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,720
Trenches coming in and just being like the most total

1835
01:27:09,159 --> 01:27:11,760
tough guy everybody looking for a handout, like one of

1836
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,399
the most knuckle dragging songs they've ever done. Maybe, but

1837
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,119
it's like hearing i know, like Pain of Truth with

1838
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:19,960
like Blockbuster Josh Wilber production or something.

1839
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's right, it's it's Arena twenty thirteen UK

1840
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,800
beat Down. It's so of that, like Trench just feels

1841
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:31,079
that the most froback to where malevolence come from, even

1842
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:32,960
to shout out the themblity that that's such a like

1843
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,319
they would do that at you know, the Barfly when

1844
01:27:36,359 --> 01:27:38,239
I was seeing them when they were doing the beatdown

1845
01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:40,560
and in the face of death kind of just bringing

1846
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,880
that back. It is the most like matcho tough guy swagger.

1847
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,399
But as you said, there is so much character to

1848
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,199
every single element of malevolence that I don't think there's

1849
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:55,079
anyone with this band who kind of like shrinks away

1850
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:58,920
that they're all like such a huge part of it.

1851
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,560
I mean like just like he is so flamboyant whenever

1852
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,199
he is like ripping out, like and they'll be bits,

1853
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,039
they'll you know, they'll do riff and then they'll do

1854
01:28:06,079 --> 01:28:08,119
it again and he'll just go, like you all over it,

1855
01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:10,439
just having the most fun, just like messing with it.

1856
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,199
And those are moments I'm just kind of like, how

1857
01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:16,319
can you not be having fun with this record? It's

1858
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:20,319
so just kind of like we love metal, we love hardcore.

1859
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,600
Let's just fucking have a big old fist swinging, violent party.

1860
01:28:24,079 --> 01:28:26,880
And again I'm sure it comes with no surprise. I

1861
01:28:27,039 --> 01:28:30,359
really love this record. Yeah, I mean like counterfeit is

1862
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,560
real like to be in with it. It's really like

1863
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:33,560
pure sort of.

1864
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: Slam like one note hut yeah, but it's got like

1865
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,840
a task wheels and shit in it as flavor. But

1866
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,720
the groove is really obnoxious. But do you think there's

1867
01:28:41,119 --> 01:28:43,680
a say in the playfulness on the threat board? Is

1868
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:46,520
what really comes out with Malevolence even more than like

1869
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,279
again I mentioned Silosis, who are you know of this

1870
01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:50,920
sort of group of bands, maybe the more technical one.

1871
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,479
I think Bleefing Within are maybe the more kind of

1872
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,479
like they will stick to the rudiments of what's going on.

1873
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,640
I think Malevolence have a feel more than about like

1874
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,680
that of just like kind of running away with their

1875
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:08,479
own enjoyment, which I find quite endearing, and like the

1876
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,479
way it often they'll just chuck out a riff at

1877
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,319
the end of a song, sort of great Southern trend

1878
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,319
kill style that will just like knock your socks on.

1879
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:16,039
It was like the song didn't need that rift to

1880
01:29:16,119 --> 01:29:20,079
feel finished, but it's better that they put it in anyway,

1881
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,600
And we mentioned that, you know, if it's all the

1882
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:23,920
same to you and that kind of riff, and it

1883
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,279
just feel like they are like excited to be playing

1884
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,680
as many notes as possible and something like that and

1885
01:29:29,079 --> 01:29:31,119
getting off or just kind of sick metal licks. One

1886
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:33,760
of my favorite moments on the record is halfway through Counterfeit,

1887
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:34,960
just to shout from.

1888
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 2: The back of the one.

1889
01:29:37,079 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: Before I was just saying, like the full you know,

1890
01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:42,159
shred Mayhem solo comes in, and it's like a moment

1891
01:29:42,279 --> 01:29:46,439
of actual, like punk rock human excitement in a big

1892
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,840
metal record, rather than the kind of cut and paste sterility.

1893
01:29:51,039 --> 01:29:55,079
And I think all of that stuff. Considering every time

1894
01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:57,399
a band makes like in their kind of realm, it

1895
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,640
makes a leap up in terms of popularity and then

1896
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:02,920
aims to make their like breakthrough record or whatever, there

1897
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,840
are certain fears that might come in the nice. The

1898
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,880
best thing you can say about this record is it

1899
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:13,239
still primarily feels like Malevolence having the time of their

1900
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:16,399
lives playing this very particular brand of sort of like

1901
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:21,319
sludge hardcore inflected groove metal that they have pretty much

1902
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:23,239
from day one, carved out from themselves.

1903
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would have like died a little

1904
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:28,920
inside if album formal Levolence. They're kind of big rock

1905
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,319
out there, their sort of big album. They start throwing

1906
01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:34,720
in gent riffs and like needless kind of ambient electronic

1907
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,039
samples and and all of that sort of shit. I

1908
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:38,600
think that that would have been like the middle, I

1909
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,319
was like I give up on on music there and

1910
01:30:40,359 --> 01:30:42,600
there is no hope, Whereas here they're just kind of

1911
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,000
like they've just remained true to themselves, but it just

1912
01:30:46,079 --> 01:30:48,600
makes them stand out so much more. Where again, like

1913
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:50,520
we didn't bother a vieener, but you know that like

1914
01:30:51,119 --> 01:30:53,920
last Barry to our album, which again I loved until

1915
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,479
like this album essentially like and that happened, Like it's

1916
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,640
such a non event. Where's malevolenceing like come along and

1917
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:02,479
kind of go like fucking pay attention to the ship

1918
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,319
we're doing here, And again, males are getting kids who

1919
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:08,800
would not go near crowbar to fucking like like have

1920
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,880
a crowbar kind of like sung chorus sound of the

1921
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,000
biggest arena sort of metal thing it can. It's huge,

1922
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:19,039
but it's got that kind of like sludge metal bassis,

1923
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:21,520
which again, how is that what the metal coal kids

1924
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,840
are going for? Like there is no I've said so

1925
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,359
many times with this thing, there's no formula to success.

1926
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,319
Be fucking yourselves and that's what's gonna sort of work,

1927
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,680
and it's worked. Wonders from the levolence, I.

1928
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 3: Feel like they're one of the only modern metal bands

1929
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:39,600
of their size and scale and generation who have a

1930
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:43,119
unique way of writing slow songs, where so many bands

1931
01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:45,880
in their field similar to them. He just goes, Okay,

1932
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,960
we want to do a ballad, so Lincoln Park? Shall

1933
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,199
we do Lincoln Park? Everyone agreed? Cool, like Lincoln Park

1934
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:52,359
on three, And then you get to something like Salt

1935
01:31:52,399 --> 01:31:54,159
the Wound, which might be my favorite song on the record,

1936
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:59,800
And it's like this huge, swaying doom ballad that occasionally

1937
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,880
gets interrupted by Lamb of God in the Wrath era,

1938
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:07,119
which like just as an idea, is so sick and

1939
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:09,640
who else is doing that? Like again, it's it's one

1940
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:14,039
of those things where so many similar bands they just

1941
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:18,039
treat those sort of moments as placeholders and malevolence have

1942
01:32:18,199 --> 01:32:21,319
the the guts, the ingenuity or the whatever to go. Now,

1943
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:23,279
this is where we can actually mark ourselves out where

1944
01:32:23,279 --> 01:32:26,439
everyone's being kind of tepid and doing the same thing.

1945
01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very much the you know, the Higher Place

1946
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,640
or the other side on this record, and I love

1947
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,640
that's a part of their arsenal. I think that song,

1948
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,560
you know, it doesn't lift me the way that like

1949
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:39,199
Higher Place. Certainly doing the last one.

1950
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: I had place is like the best one, isn't it? Yeah?

1951
01:32:42,039 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: And this never quite hits a real you know, like

1952
01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:47,399
cresting like that, but I think maybe the point is

1953
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,399
to just not do that again because they've got one,

1954
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,479
you know, and this kind of goes in different different routes.

1955
01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:54,760
And I think on that note, it's so it's established

1956
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,000
that this record is, you know, still carries all of

1957
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,680
the innate fun that Malevolence have. It's still very very

1958
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,119
good at being Malevolence. If this is, as you kind

1959
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:07,560
of positive Sam, you know, a more important Malevolence record,

1960
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,359
how do you feel it's kind of what's the word,

1961
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,159
sort of like you know, it's stacking up in terms

1962
01:33:13,159 --> 01:33:14,880
of like song craft and stuff like that. Do you

1963
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:19,680
feel like this has those kind of slightly more over

1964
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,039
the top moments that you would, you know, maybe expect

1965
01:33:23,079 --> 01:33:24,039
a record like this to kind of have.

1966
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: It's funny because I think there's almost like less kind

1967
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,319
of like big chorus moments in this than the words

1968
01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:31,359
on Molicious Intent, which was the thing that kind of

1969
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,560
surprised me about this, But I think what this just does,

1970
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,239
so this kind of goes that album got that crowd

1971
01:33:37,359 --> 01:33:40,079
in on the Malevolent sound, and now this is kind

1972
01:33:40,079 --> 01:33:42,800
of like taking that considering and give them the trouble

1973
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,319
on that sound while still throwing in you know, if

1974
01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:48,479
it's all the same to you, salt the wound, like

1975
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,840
even you know, stuff like so help me go and

1976
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,960
that we're the Gude that's one of the best ones. Yeah, yeah,

1977
01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:58,399
back to your Like they've still got these kind of

1978
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,720
big chords and it just it feels like like malevolence

1979
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,800
and again like there isn't anything new particularly to the

1980
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,119
MALEVOLENTCE sound on this album, but I think it should

1981
01:34:07,159 --> 01:34:09,319
a great kind of consolidation of everything this band are

1982
01:34:09,319 --> 01:34:12,119
about and kind of going like we're big now we're

1983
01:34:12,199 --> 01:34:14,199
kind of just gonna solidify that. That's the Everyone who's

1984
01:34:14,199 --> 01:34:16,920
with us at this point isn't gonna get scared off.

1985
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,840
And again it is a little bit more polished then,

1986
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,960
you know, like rain and Suffering. It doesn't sound as

1987
01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:26,840
quite like it's going to like put a knife out

1988
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,119
youre on the street and rob all of your money

1989
01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:30,680
and like kick your head in. It is. It is

1990
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,079
more problems. So again it's easy to get into, but

1991
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:36,000
it still to me just feels like I not Malevans

1992
01:34:36,039 --> 01:34:37,880
are as a long term fan. I'm not put off

1993
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,000
by this kind of like cleaner sound to them, because

1994
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,039
it's still doing all the things I want, but it

1995
01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:44,119
is going to just entice more people in because this

1996
01:34:44,279 --> 01:34:47,840
is just huge metal in the vein of you know,

1997
01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:50,680
the best parkway drive stuff of like post twenty fifteen

1998
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,520
and all of that, And I think this album should

1999
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:57,640
should really cement their place as you know, a Brickston

2000
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:01,119
Upwards band, do Malevolence go to a do they follow

2001
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:03,960
the suit of like Turnstile or those all those sort

2002
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,079
of bands I have, or like hard coaches and bands

2003
01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:08,720
who are just serious business right now. And I think

2004
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,880
this album it's not you know, it's not gonna like

2005
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,640
it's not but any like, it's not good all choruses

2006
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,840
all the time. It just it does enough that I

2007
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,680
think like it should really cement them and kind of

2008
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:20,720
like it's not gonna make them fall away. I think

2009
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:22,479
from where they were on Milicians Intent, it's kind of

2010
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,439
the main thing I think for this. Yeah, I agree.

2011
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:26,239
Speaker 1: I think if I was taken aback by Anythingless record,

2012
01:35:26,319 --> 01:35:31,600
it's that Melissa's intent sounds more to me like an

2013
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:35,359
actually sort of star making set of gang Busters songs.

2014
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,840
I think particularly when it comes to you like melody

2015
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,920
and choruses and stuff like that. I think this is

2016
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,760
good at it, you know, if it's all the same

2017
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:45,079
to you, so help me God, I really think heaven

2018
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,760
shake you know, with all the big Conan moments, basically,

2019
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:51,159
they're all great because they always are. And I think

2020
01:35:51,159 --> 01:35:52,840
that this will have you know, more hitters on it

2021
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,399
that maybe come out more on the live set as

2022
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,479
where which is where their songs usually go from being

2023
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,960
like really good to just being like outstanding. But in

2024
01:35:59,079 --> 01:36:02,359
terms of like, holy, that's a chorus melodies, this does

2025
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:06,199
feel like a not a step back, but a slightly

2026
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:09,560
less memorable, absolute on ten set of songs to me

2027
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,199
than Mliss's and tent maybe did. And it's hard because

2028
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:15,479
we don't, as we've just said, we don't want Malevolence

2029
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,000
to get the message of like okay, got it, put

2030
01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:20,199
a radio chorus in every song and then end up

2031
01:36:20,199 --> 01:36:22,039
going down the route that every metical band has gone

2032
01:36:22,079 --> 01:36:24,159
down and just shit all over their very delicate recipe.

2033
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:28,199
Because at least with Malevolence, I can say that it

2034
01:36:28,319 --> 01:36:32,199
still feels spontaneous and like they are letting their kind

2035
01:36:32,199 --> 01:36:34,800
of like innate energy guide them rather than very cynically

2036
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,319
laying out each song in a certain way. And I

2037
01:36:36,319 --> 01:36:39,359
would absolutely I would take a record that rocks and

2038
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,720
just isn't world changing over one that's like overworked and

2039
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,279
stale any day. In the back half there we should

2040
01:36:46,279 --> 01:36:48,960
mention the song in Spite, which I really like. The

2041
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,720
riff in that song has a different almost heavy metal

2042
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,840
texture like that kind of more of a treblely call

2043
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,479
the MANI and Heal is really really cool. But it's

2044
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,680
the song with the big Randy blythe vocal feature because

2045
01:37:00,039 --> 01:37:03,680
again this record produced by Josh Wilder. They record it

2046
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,680
in like Dave Grohl's studio as well, like all these

2047
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,239
weird thing that Malevolents are now doing to essentially still

2048
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:13,319
just sound like Malevolence but a slightly larger version of him.

2049
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:16,119
But you know, that's sick, the sort.

2050
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 2: Of that's a nice full circle moment, like because when

2051
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,439
Malevolence were coming along, everyone was kind of like, ah,

2052
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,760
it's like the UK's Lamb of God, kind of like

2053
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,520
in hardcore that that was one of those things when

2054
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,680
they'rest because of you know how much that first album grew.

2055
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,279
There was loads of Lamb run up by the Hulks

2056
01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:31,840
and so it's like it's not as even to know

2057
01:37:32,279 --> 01:37:34,479
get Randy blithe one and he does a great owl

2058
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,039
before he's like menacing spoken word bit, and then the

2059
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,199
song goes really hard yeah, wicked yeah.

2060
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: And then the last song with Dirt from My Grave

2061
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:44,039
has like a sort of thrashy machine Head riff that

2062
01:37:44,199 --> 01:37:46,279
is better than any on the actual machine Head album

2063
01:37:46,319 --> 01:37:49,640
that we just reviewed. I think, yeah, maybe if there

2064
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:51,560
is a link between this and Turnstile, it's bands who

2065
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,840
made great leaps at the start of the twenty twenties

2066
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:57,239
who now have to follow that leap up again. And

2067
01:37:57,319 --> 01:37:58,600
I don't want this to come off that this is

2068
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:00,439
like a you know, a bad time, because it is

2069
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,079
very thoroughly a very good time. I think this is

2070
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:07,560
maybe just more of a steady continuation of what Malevolence had,

2071
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,399
that the leap may be being made with their kind

2072
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:13,920
of again post COVID sort of material and in terms

2073
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,159
of their newfound stature as like actual titans of the

2074
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:19,760
UK scene, much like we were saying about it hernstyle.

2075
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:21,920
I don't think this will knock them down at all either,

2076
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:24,000
and I'm sure that again the very best songs of

2077
01:38:24,079 --> 01:38:26,039
this will sound very good in those big venues they're

2078
01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:28,760
playing at the end of this year. So Malevolence, let's

2079
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:31,920
go on to Straight from the Path and I am

2080
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,199
called clockworked. Straight from the Path obviously been going much

2081
01:38:35,279 --> 01:38:37,000
longer with more, many more albums, but we could put

2082
01:38:37,039 --> 01:38:39,960
them along with Malevolence as kind of general pillars of consistency.

2083
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,399
This one is, of course different because one of the

2084
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,840
new stories that broke while T and M was having

2085
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:47,199
a week off is we knew that Straight in the

2086
01:38:47,239 --> 01:38:49,319
Path were going to I guess you sort of call

2087
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:51,399
it a semi surprise release, because there wasn't a surprise

2088
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:52,720
release where you woke up one day it was there.

2089
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,279
It was the week before when they were playing slam Downe.

2090
01:38:54,279 --> 01:38:55,760
They just went, hey, we've got an album next week,

2091
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,279
and we're chucking records of the crowd and that kind

2092
01:38:58,279 --> 01:39:01,199
of stuff. But when we then learn while we were

2093
01:39:01,239 --> 01:39:03,479
away that it was going to be the final Straight

2094
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,600
from the Path album, and that after they've toured this album,

2095
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,960
they're gonna be breaking up. Sam, obviously we're here primarily

2096
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,800
to review the album, but what was your sort of

2097
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,399
general reaction to that news.

2098
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 2: I was guided. I love Straight from the Path. You

2099
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,560
know they've been a band since the early twenty tens,

2100
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,319
I've been sewing on such But I was just like

2101
01:39:22,039 --> 01:39:23,359
for a lot of us, you know, a lot of

2102
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:26,000
people came on straight from the Path around twenty thirteen.

2103
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,319
They've been going, you know, ten years before that, like

2104
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,880
like Tom in particular in the band, like had been

2105
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,119
having some form straight from off. They've had like a

2106
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:36,239
twenty plus year career, So I mean a lot of

2107
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:38,199
people don't know is how long they've been been grinding out.

2108
01:39:38,199 --> 01:39:40,159
It just kind of like maybe, you know, they've just

2109
01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:42,760
kind of got to problems, Like we've taken straight from

2110
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,680
the Path as far as it can go. We need

2111
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:46,640
to you know, go on to do different things. So

2112
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,840
it's kind of I was like, I was guided. I

2113
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,800
was like, they've they've had an amazing run of it,

2114
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,560
and particularly the last few years, I've had like real

2115
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,199
kind of like good bit of success for a sort

2116
01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:00,000
of hardcore band from Long Island. So I was gonna

2117
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:03,119
it was a bittersweet, but I was like, I'm ready

2118
01:40:03,159 --> 01:40:04,800
for one more album and one more kind of like

2119
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:06,800
bout of like hardcore songs that are going to make

2120
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,239
me bounce up and down, and I hope like as

2121
01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:11,479
long as there's you know, no bad blood. It's not

2122
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,760
like Ikey Split, which wild Accountsy doesn't seem to be.

2123
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,000
They seem to all be kind of like mutual. Then

2124
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:18,079
I'm like, let's celebrate Straight from the Path going out

2125
01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:18,560
one last time.

2126
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think it's wild looking at their duration

2127
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,399
as a band, because I only really got into Straight

2128
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,800
from the Path around twenty seventeen when Good Night Alt

2129
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,720
Right came out, and I was like a late comer,

2130
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:29,439
but I thought that I was only a late cover

2131
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,399
by a couple albums in a few years when it

2132
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:32,800
turned out that again, they would have been around for

2133
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:37,000
like a decade before actually landing the stray sound that

2134
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:38,359
we like associate them with.

2135
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,560
Speaker 2: Soizing Someone was where they first kind of started to

2136
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,640
get that, and then Anonymous was like Straight from the

2137
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,880
Path like two point zero one we recognized was really

2138
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:47,720
sort of solidified.

2139
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like nearly twenty five years or something really

2140
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,039
good run a decade or so of basically just kind

2141
01:40:54,039 --> 01:40:55,720
of you know, killing it in the lane that they

2142
01:40:55,760 --> 01:41:00,479
operate in, that being very rhythmically gripping, highly out spoken

2143
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,119
hardcore that doesn't actually really sound like any other hardcore

2144
01:41:03,159 --> 01:41:08,000
band that sounds more like Raging Its Machine is more admirable. Elliott,

2145
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:09,800
I know that, you know, for example, you are a

2146
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:13,039
big Ragians Machine fan. Any affinity for the sort of

2147
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:15,359
like modern hardcore version.

2148
01:41:16,119 --> 01:41:18,119
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, They're a band I've always liked, and

2149
01:41:18,119 --> 01:41:20,439
I think they've got some really brilliant songs. I never

2150
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:23,560
really went in on a particular record, and I only

2151
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:24,880
saw them live once, so I feel like I've not

2152
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,199
really had the stray from the path like consummate experience

2153
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:30,479
and one of those bands who, as much as they've

2154
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,039
got like die hard fans, they don't seem to have

2155
01:41:32,119 --> 01:41:34,680
a single, like real like classic classic record that everyone

2156
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,119
can point to, which in some sense makes them cool

2157
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:39,319
because it means've got like everyone's got their own favorites.

2158
01:41:40,319 --> 01:41:41,319
Speaker 2: Hell of a greatest hit set.

2159
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I saw them a download a

2160
01:41:44,399 --> 01:41:45,960
couple of years ago, and I noticed that I felt

2161
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,439
like every song yeah, got a really warm reception and

2162
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,319
they all you know, hit the spot. To be honest,

2163
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:53,680
if we either weren't reviewing it or if this wasn't

2164
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,479
the last record, I might not have bothered with a

2165
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,000
straight from the path record. They're kind of on that

2166
01:41:58,279 --> 01:42:00,720
level for me where you know, depending on how the

2167
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,279
mood was struck me, I might have, but I wasn't

2168
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:04,319
itching for a new record. But I was more curious

2169
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:05,920
knowing that this was going to be the last one,

2170
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,760
because you know, it's it adds a sort of tension

2171
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:10,720
to it. It's like, this is your last chance to

2172
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:11,359
make a statement?

2173
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 2: What's it going to be?

2174
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:17,159
Speaker 3: And as someone who hasn't heard every record, I don't

2175
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:20,800
get the impression they like reinvented themselves too much this time.

2176
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,359
But I don't think they needed to. I quite like

2177
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:26,920
that on their last album they've not done like a

2178
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,640
dissociation and like what is gonna be? Are like parting statement,

2179
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:33,119
It's like, no, this is who we were, Victory Lap

2180
01:42:34,399 --> 01:42:35,039
ten bangers.

2181
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 2: If anything, they've condensed themselves. It's twenty nine minutes. I

2182
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:39,479
did wonder.

2183
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 3: I was like, of all their records, I don't remember

2184
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:44,199
any of the other feeling this, Yeah, sort of air

2185
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:45,039
tight and punchy.

2186
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this one feels like a particularly compact killer.

2187
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, this one feels really like sort of sniper precise.

2188
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:53,359
And I was kind of okay, yeah, cool, like straight

2189
01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:56,199
from the path, like really popular band, really cool. I'll

2190
01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:59,479
give this listen and it is kind of impossible not

2191
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,840
to be moved by their music. Like it is not

2192
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,760
the most subtle or nuanced music in the world, but

2193
01:43:07,079 --> 01:43:09,960
who the fuck cares when that like kubrick stare jagged

2194
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:15,600
like sort of disco metalcore kicks in. It just feels

2195
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,640
fucking great. And I can see why there are people

2196
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,680
who have this band tattooed on them, but the sensation.

2197
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:22,520
Speaker 2: Is just nice. Yeah.

2198
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Again, if this wasn't the final album, we would maybe

2199
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:27,960
go straight from the bath, still crushing the very identifiable

2200
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
thing that they do. Not really a big shock there.

2201
01:43:30,279 --> 01:43:34,640
They haven't really drastically changed any particular element their sound

2202
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:36,439
since they really found that sound in the kind of

2203
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,159
early twenty tens. But I do have to say that

2204
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:41,359
I think this one of all of them, is incredibly

2205
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:45,079
fucking fired up, and they don't really take days off

2206
01:43:45,159 --> 01:43:47,680
from being at it. But I think this as a

2207
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,680
last album is honestly it's about as like incendiary and

2208
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:55,800
overflowing with righteous anger, yeah, and channeling that into like

2209
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:57,760
big fuck off, stomp on your head songs as they'd

2210
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,119
ever done, you know, And I really like straight from

2211
01:44:00,119 --> 01:44:02,760
the past music. I think I admire them as a band,

2212
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:06,159
like even more. But I think, similar to you, Elliott,

2213
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:07,760
there are maybe times whereas Trading Path and that will

2214
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,079
come back and I would just sort of like cursory

2215
01:44:09,079 --> 01:44:10,600
adn knowledge and be like, yeah, cool, that's good, and

2216
01:44:10,760 --> 01:44:15,399
sometimes it's right, you know, and this one maybe it

2217
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,119
is the knowledge that is the last one. I think

2218
01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:19,319
even more so some of the subjects of what these

2219
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:21,239
songs are about and where that anger is pointed, and

2220
01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:24,600
how they articulate that anger, which is at their absolute best,

2221
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:26,760
they are just so so good at it. It's got

2222
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,159
me absolutely slamming. When this thing is on Kubrick'stare, it

2223
01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:31,760
feels like a long time ago that single was out

2224
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,720
because I guess it's from the pre actually knowing that

2225
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,840
when the album's going to come out world, but it

2226
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,000
just crushes stabs you with that kind of you know,

2227
01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:42,640
dissonant panic chord turned into a thumper main groove, but

2228
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:46,079
instead of like, I don't know. There are some bands

2229
01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:48,000
out there in this world, most of them probably who

2230
01:44:48,039 --> 01:44:49,920
would do that and it would lead into a kind

2231
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,319
of ooh, a new metal nostalgia record, you know, it'd

2232
01:44:52,319 --> 01:44:55,640
be like a vended record. This the next song after

2233
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,560
it fuck them all to hell. And it is completely

2234
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:05,720
teeth gnashing and the voice cracking, feral fury in the

2235
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,800
only way I'm writing your name is on your motherfucking Headstone.

2236
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:12,760
Absolutely sublime and kind of from that moment it's like, oh,

2237
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:14,239
straight from the path again.

2238
01:45:14,359 --> 01:45:15,039
Speaker 2: Final record.

2239
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:17,520
Speaker 1: Not that we thought they would, but they are holding

2240
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:21,000
absolutely nothing back in terms of just like chucking the

2241
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,880
grenades out as they are leaping out of their helicopter

2242
01:45:24,039 --> 01:45:24,520
to their faith.

2243
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,079
Speaker 3: The first five seconds of that song it almost sounds

2244
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:32,359
like gorguts, like it's it's kind of like extreme metal nastiness,

2245
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:37,039
and then the swing is like it's just outrageously thugged out.

2246
01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:40,439
And again it's the sort of thing where I think

2247
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:43,279
I think the Marxist banned out from other bands in

2248
01:45:43,319 --> 01:45:45,439
their peer group is like the ability to sound sort

2249
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,319
of liquid and like a band in a room, even

2250
01:45:48,359 --> 01:45:51,520
though like it's very like cleanly produced, like I wouldn't

2251
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,359
surprise me there was like a big name attached to

2252
01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:55,239
this record or anything like that. It's not, you know,

2253
01:45:55,399 --> 01:46:00,239
rough and ready, but it manages to hone that like

2254
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:03,239
channeling something really satisfying, and you know you exactly when

2255
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:05,479
that one on your mother fucking Headstone chart every time

2256
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,800
it comes in, just it sounds it just sounds huge,

2257
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:11,880
like it just it's it is invigorating.

2258
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:14,399
Speaker 2: I mean, like again that that that blast of it

2259
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:16,319
that is really extreme, and I think that it is

2260
01:46:16,399 --> 01:46:18,720
like a slick album, but could have. They're all really

2261
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:20,720
great players, like like Craig is a very good rung.

2262
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:23,399
We all know this. Tom like his guitar invention always

2263
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:24,800
been wicked. But it just means that none of this

2264
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,359
ever feels sterile. But again, you saw that your mother

2265
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,399
fucking heads someone coming in next with face the fucking

2266
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:33,159
wall as like one of the hardest ways to open

2267
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:37,760
a song, Like you're right tossing all the grenades saying

2268
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,640
like just leaping out middle fingers to everyone. And again

2269
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:43,239
when that whole like thing happened, they must have been kidding,

2270
01:46:43,319 --> 01:46:44,800
like all right, we can write a song about this.

2271
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:47,920
In America, this is you know, an actual like really

2272
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:50,840
important subject is you know, medical care and all that

2273
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:54,520
sort of thing and and and how like is exploited.

2274
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:56,119
So of course dra over the Path are gonna come

2275
01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:00,520
at that with the most kind of like incendiary angry

2276
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,159
take on it. And it just sounds so violent.

2277
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:07,079
Speaker 1: I think Drew's ability to like enunciate a hook in

2278
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:09,560
a way that's like almost like he's kind of personally

2279
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,359
talking it to you, but flowing with the music is

2280
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:14,520
like at ats best here, you know, the sort of

2281
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,840
the question and answer style hook of Cubrit's.

2282
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 2: Dair like you traumatized, just walk it off.

2283
01:47:20,119 --> 01:47:22,479
Speaker 1: It's brilliant and like my my first time hearing a

2284
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:24,800
couple of these songs were seeing them live at Mystic

2285
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,880
Festival the other week and shot Caller they had like

2286
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,159
a whole intro tape that I assumed would be on

2287
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:31,960
the record. It was very good of like a whole

2288
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,000
sample of like your old mass murderers. You just didn't

2289
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,800
pull the trigger and then into the fucking thing. But

2290
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,640
like when instantaneously Drew came in.

2291
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:41,560
Speaker 2: Bouncing on that, may God have mercy on you, I won't.

2292
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 1: I was hearing that song for the first time in

2293
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:45,880
like a field and be like that's an earworm, that's

2294
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:49,680
a hit, or that God that's six sixth sense absolute demons,

2295
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:51,760
Like all of that stuff is as good as he's

2296
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:55,319
ever done it on this record. Craig goes that saying

2297
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,600
wherever band gets his services after Stray Call It quits,

2298
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,720
will have lucked out because he has been the source

2299
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,199
on their record for some years. Just a drummer working

2300
01:48:03,279 --> 01:48:05,680
on overtime the whole fucking way, just like going above

2301
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:07,800
and beyond the bare minimum of it. He reminds me

2302
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:09,560
in his playing style of Travis Barker, if you wanted

2303
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:10,920
to knock your head off and bit of celle you

2304
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,560
want to. But I remember watching them doing you know,

2305
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,359
shot collar the other week and the guitarists doing the

2306
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:20,880
solo in that song, and it's the most like weirdoh

2307
01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:24,840
Morello by way of late nineties like math hardcore, you

2308
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,640
know thing you could imagine. It's a band of like

2309
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,920
you know, four musicians who are all really inventive with

2310
01:48:31,079 --> 01:48:33,199
their particular instrument.

2311
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, like again for a band who

2312
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,600
often get painted as you know, just rangingainst the machine

2313
01:48:40,279 --> 01:48:43,279
kind of knockoff metalcore band, not knockoff, but like highly

2314
01:48:43,359 --> 01:48:47,439
inspired that I think the quality of their playing does

2315
01:48:48,199 --> 01:48:50,840
save them from just being it was being dismissed on

2316
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,520
that level, like the quality of the songs. The quality

2317
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,560
of the forms is like you said that the vocalist,

2318
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,359
the amount of personality he's able to inject it. But

2319
01:48:58,399 --> 01:49:00,640
I do something that is quite similar to zach is

2320
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:05,439
so also clearly himself, and I also I just like

2321
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,560
when bands of this style, when they don't feel they

2322
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,239
needs to go super like macro and vague in their

2323
01:49:11,239 --> 01:49:13,680
political slogan here when they can be like hyper precise

2324
01:49:14,039 --> 01:49:16,319
in a song or something like can I get your autograph?

2325
01:49:17,039 --> 01:49:19,000
As soon as I sat, I think I know what

2326
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,159
that's going to be about. And then listening to it

2327
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,960
and you go on your parting album, it could be

2328
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,560
an easy thing or even a tempting thing, and maybe

2329
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,279
a noble thing. I don't know, to go like, let's

2330
01:49:28,359 --> 01:49:30,840
keep this mascar. We're going to talk about the biggest

2331
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,439
issues because it's our last chance. There's something particularly venomous

2332
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:36,359
about taking that moment and go no, no, no, no

2333
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:42,159
one person is the target this time. It does it

2334
01:49:42,399 --> 01:49:44,960
just does like raise the sort of heat just a

2335
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:45,399
little bit.

2336
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,079
Speaker 1: I was gonna leave that song until last because it

2337
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:52,760
does a special mention. But ye know, as we're on it,

2338
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:55,960
we all know what the fucking deal is, and it's

2339
01:49:56,079 --> 01:49:58,720
all well and good for people in rock music to go, hey,

2340
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,920
we support Palestine, we support a ceasefire, or whatever you

2341
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:05,159
want to say, while not addressing the elephant in the

2342
01:50:05,239 --> 01:50:07,039
room of the guy who's gonna go up on stage

2343
01:50:07,039 --> 01:50:09,000
at the Black Sabbath Tribute concert and all these other

2344
01:50:09,079 --> 01:50:12,439
things who signed his name on those bombs. And I

2345
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,279
should have known it'd be Stray from the Path who

2346
01:50:14,279 --> 01:50:16,399
would rip off the band aide and just go I

2347
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:19,359
see you, motherfucker, because that's what they do. And like

2348
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,920
I was, like, I've seen articles about this album that

2349
01:50:23,079 --> 01:50:26,520
hold back and go it's a song about turning a

2350
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,319
blind eye to a moral behavior from successful musicians. Well

2351
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:32,000
maybe they'll they'll slightly point at like all we a

2352
01:50:32,039 --> 01:50:35,039
is that guy in turn, you know, turning a blind eye?

2353
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,520
We're not looking for interview time with him later, right,

2354
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,760
we can say so it's about Draymond and stray have

2355
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:42,720
gone to the effort of writing the song. It's in

2356
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,000
good faith to engage with that and pick up on

2357
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,640
who they're actually talking about when they say backstage asking

2358
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:51,760
where Disturbed at and then call him a stupefied fuck. Right,

2359
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:55,960
it's not veiled. This may be the most deserved attack

2360
01:50:56,119 --> 01:51:00,279
on another musician on a rock record in history, and

2361
01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:05,520
they nail it right. The remorseless grooves Drew sounds absolutely

2362
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:09,199
ice cold. Another killer hook with the maniac mebiac. There's

2363
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:10,600
a world on the front line that will teach you

2364
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,880
a lesson. And I think you make people remember that

2365
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,640
hook right, like drill it into their heads so they're

2366
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,880
singing it like you fucking like not like us style,

2367
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:20,239
you know, like you want people to be singing the

2368
01:51:20,399 --> 01:51:23,840
song about that guy being a fuckhead, and you put

2369
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:25,760
your name on that bomb. I put a target on

2370
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:29,920
your fucking back. That's what it's fucking about, not as

2371
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:31,119
you're saying, you know generic.

2372
01:51:31,399 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 2: Hey, we're the.

2373
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,560
Speaker 1: Generation that's once we're gonna stand up to you by

2374
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:38,399
saying nothing pleasantries. Call a guy out for his endorsement

2375
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:40,840
of war crimes and tell him that, no matter how

2376
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,520
much success he has, history will remember his name as

2377
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,880
an evil, coward, bastard. That's how you tell people what

2378
01:51:47,079 --> 01:51:47,760
the fuck is up?

2379
01:51:48,199 --> 01:51:50,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I say, stray have never been you know,

2380
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,399
ashamed of the call out song are subliminal criminals? Had

2381
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:56,840
Die Pig, which had again like the mournerk of take

2382
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:58,880
out the trash leaver on the front porch step, like

2383
01:52:01,039 --> 01:52:04,920
in a song about band members being like diddlers, Like, yeah,

2384
01:52:05,039 --> 01:52:09,159
he always had a knack for this, so like them

2385
01:52:09,239 --> 01:52:11,560
doing it and going, you know, resume, you know, take

2386
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:15,359
a global issue of this endorsement of war crimes and

2387
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,039
turning a blind eye to it, like and again just

2388
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:20,680
not being around the bush. You know they don't have to,

2389
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,159
you know, but you know exactly what it is because

2390
01:52:23,159 --> 01:52:24,680
again that that you put your name on, that bomber

2391
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,359
put on your back and on point in a banger

2392
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:30,760
song where again super elastic kind of bouncy bass, which

2393
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,960
is like really infectious and fun with a like really

2394
01:52:34,039 --> 01:52:36,039
cool if And again this is like what sort of

2395
01:52:36,079 --> 01:52:38,239
calling cards put on your final album of being like

2396
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,000
burn every bridge, fuck them all, Like who's gonna take

2397
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,079
a fight with a guy on your way out? Yeah?

2398
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:48,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I was gonna talk about the Obviously there's two

2399
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:52,159
songs with guest features from hilariously different ends of metalcore,

2400
01:52:52,279 --> 01:52:55,319
right because there's the title track, which I also think

2401
01:52:55,359 --> 01:52:57,479
that the way they use like electronic loops and stuff

2402
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,279
for like extra hooks is very them you know, like

2403
01:53:00,359 --> 01:53:03,600
that that don't think don't fucking question is like you

2404
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,720
can imagine that in bringing the Horizon hands or someone

2405
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,399
being really cheesy but stray somehow make it like part

2406
01:53:08,399 --> 01:53:08,600
of the.

2407
01:53:10,199 --> 01:53:11,399
Speaker 2: Like it feels like that sort of been something that

2408
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:13,079
was on a Stray from Path album five years ago.

2409
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the La the Landmarks guy comes in

2410
01:53:16,279 --> 01:53:18,960
and you've got to give him credit by announcing his

2411
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:23,000
presence by shouting listen bastard in French, right, like that's

2412
01:53:23,079 --> 01:53:27,359
pretty great. And then very aptly, right after, we did

2413
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,079
an entire special talking about Poison Well and their relationship

2414
01:53:30,119 --> 01:53:32,760
to metalcore, and we bizarrely spoke about how few guest

2415
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,039
spots Jeffrey Morera has done for a hardcore singer. During

2416
01:53:36,079 --> 01:53:38,960
the process of us doing that special, this was announced

2417
01:53:39,199 --> 01:53:41,399
and here he is, and I was a bit taken

2418
01:53:41,399 --> 01:53:43,239
about these not actually in hardcore mode, Like I was

2419
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:45,319
gearing up for him to go like full artists rendering

2420
01:53:45,359 --> 01:53:48,600
of me over some stray shit. But it's kruner jeff Well.

2421
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Bodies in the Dark is maybe like the

2422
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:55,319
most individual kind of outlier song Straight from the Path

2423
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:55,960
have done.

2424
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:56,119
Speaker 1: There.

2425
01:53:56,199 --> 01:53:59,600
Speaker 2: There isn't another song in their sort of catalog like

2426
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,399
what is the Dark? It's a really like it is

2427
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:04,159
textured and gradual and it's not you know, kind of

2428
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:07,039
like all bounce or latitude all in your face. It's

2429
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:08,880
got that kind of like slight and dust or kind

2430
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,000
of mechano thing like Nails group to it, like yeah,

2431
01:54:12,039 --> 01:54:13,840
that's me. It's got that. And then you get you know,

2432
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:18,119
Ghostly Jeff coming on that really kind of like quite somber,

2433
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:22,079
haunting melody and it's a really cool change of pace

2434
01:54:22,119 --> 01:54:24,560
that again like the one like one of those in

2435
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,039
kind of the autographers or the back of the arm

2436
01:54:26,039 --> 01:54:29,079
are kind of like again like cool to take to

2437
01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:30,960
do something different on your final album of kind of

2438
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,479
going like again, we could just you know, deliver ten

2439
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:35,079
songs of what the fans want, but we want to

2440
01:54:35,119 --> 01:54:37,439
you know, show that there was there was more we

2441
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:40,920
could have like potentially done like or like not done,

2442
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:42,680
but like so that there are other strings of the

2443
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:45,399
bow that like are worth kind of like acknowledging.

2444
01:54:46,039 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like the Landmarks feature, it's well intentioned,

2445
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:50,880
but I just don't think it sounds good. The Poison

2446
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:55,880
the World one exactly, I just don't. It's a bad

2447
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,159
band but anyway, but Poison the Well, on the other hand,

2448
01:54:59,279 --> 01:55:01,520
a good band. And having gone back to the records,

2449
01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:03,680
I in the midst of listening to the Special and

2450
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:06,079
obviously Ravissimo to you to and Mark by the way,

2451
01:55:07,159 --> 01:55:10,399
but like you, Pat, I thought like, this is going

2452
01:55:10,439 --> 01:55:13,279
to be big, old, gnarly metalcore, sort of turn of

2453
01:55:13,319 --> 01:55:16,319
the millennium style. But then as soon as he came in,

2454
01:55:16,399 --> 01:55:17,880
I thought, oh, yeah, of course this makes way more

2455
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,640
sense because he by coming in on this song and

2456
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,760
in crooner mode, it allows the record to have a

2457
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,920
flavor that they wouldn't be able to have without him,

2458
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:28,479
which is like, that's the whole fucking point of a

2459
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,239
guest feature. It's not to go, oh, here's the thing

2460
01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:33,000
we do and now we're going to get someone to

2461
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:36,039
do it with us. It makes so much more sense

2462
01:55:36,079 --> 01:55:37,880
to go, here's something that we kind of can't do.

2463
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:40,600
We're going to put on something that clearly inspired us

2464
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:43,840
and played into our sound and draw that out in

2465
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:45,720
like you know, closing record.

2466
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and last albums a sign off going here's our

2467
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,560
last thesis on electoral politics, fuck them all to help.

2468
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:55,840
Our last thesis on the health insurance industry in America

2469
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:57,680
is now I'm the shot caller. I want to watch

2470
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,479
you die. And by the way, Draymond, you're pret that

2471
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:05,159
is such a curtain call and it's pretty good, and

2472
01:56:05,399 --> 01:56:07,399
I think the best thing I can say is. I

2473
01:56:07,439 --> 01:56:11,279
think this record is as good as any Straight from

2474
01:56:11,319 --> 01:56:12,560
the Path album has been before.

2475
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, for me, since Anonymous, they've just,

2476
01:56:15,319 --> 01:56:17,359
you know, every album I like them all of a

2477
01:56:17,399 --> 01:56:20,319
similar quality. It feels that they may be burn out

2478
01:56:20,359 --> 01:56:22,920
on some things when you listen to A Life and

2479
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,800
four Chapters kind of laying out this sort of like

2480
01:56:25,039 --> 01:56:27,359
the Lighthouse twenty two years adrift, the last being their

2481
01:56:27,399 --> 01:56:29,119
logo and all that kind of like almost feeling like

2482
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,039
they need to take a step away because of other things.

2483
01:56:33,079 --> 01:56:36,079
But musically, incredibly, it feels like they've just they aren't

2484
01:56:36,079 --> 01:56:37,600
just you know, phoning it in on the last album

2485
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,640
they are. They're making a statement as their sort of

2486
01:56:41,159 --> 01:56:42,079
like I said closing.

2487
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:44,319
Speaker 1: Thesis, it would be a legitimate choice as the best

2488
01:56:44,359 --> 01:56:48,119
Straight from the Path album, and that's pretty fucking great.

2489
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:50,920
So their album Clockworked came out a few weeks ago.

2490
01:56:51,279 --> 01:56:52,920
Absolutely recommend that you hear it if you have not.

2491
01:56:53,560 --> 01:56:56,720
The last of the very contemporary hardcore bands we're gonna

2492
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,479
talk about this time is Kaya Nashi, who released an

2493
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:01,880
album called I Want to Go Home. And there's a

2494
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,720
reason we keep coming back to talking about Kay and Ashy,

2495
01:57:03,800 --> 01:57:06,600
I think because there are plenty of like hardcore or

2496
01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:09,319
hardcore adjcent bands that we might review the once just

2497
01:57:09,359 --> 01:57:10,760
to kind of be like, this is what this band

2498
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,359
do and give you the heads up on them, and

2499
01:57:12,439 --> 01:57:14,079
then maybe they don't do much of the kind of

2500
01:57:14,119 --> 01:57:15,840
anything to kind of keep you them, you know, in

2501
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:19,239
your brain. Kay and Ashy are just so fucking different

2502
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:21,560
that we can't help but keep coming back to them

2503
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:22,800
these past couple of years.

2504
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that we're one of the ones that

2505
01:57:25,079 --> 01:57:27,279
I was like, I'm really champion that, like, in like

2506
01:57:27,359 --> 01:57:29,239
my first year on the podcasts, are like, let's do

2507
01:57:29,319 --> 01:57:31,199
this album. I think it's really cool, and they've kind

2508
01:57:31,239 --> 01:57:34,800
of like rewarded us by still being a really interesting band.

2509
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:39,119
They are like the complete antithesis to what like eving

2510
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:41,399
in modern metal core is, because it's like which lanes

2511
01:57:41,439 --> 01:57:43,600
you go, like, like which lanes you go down? Do

2512
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:46,720
you do sterile locktain core or do you do poison

2513
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,479
the world worse? They sort of feel like there' sort

2514
01:57:48,479 --> 01:57:50,600
of two lanes. Someone's funnel down now, and Kay and

2515
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:52,960
Ashy are kind of like that fuck all that, We're

2516
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,079
gonna do whatever the fuck we want to do, and

2517
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:58,319
you're probably gonna a lot of you're gonna hate it,

2518
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:00,560
and I think it makes it so.

2519
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,079
Speaker 3: Cool, Like yeah, I mean every time I go on

2520
01:58:03,239 --> 01:58:06,720
like the reviewing sites where people can like log their

2521
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:09,000
reviews of records, it's always fun looking at K and

2522
01:58:09,039 --> 01:58:11,439
Ashley because if it's out of five, they'll lend thep

2523
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,000
like a two point five. And what that is is

2524
01:58:13,079 --> 01:58:15,399
just a moment of people going five and zero over

2525
01:58:15,399 --> 01:58:17,680
and over again. And the negative reviews aren't going like,

2526
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:19,520
oh this isn't really for me, or like I found

2527
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:23,479
some bit. It's always like this band are like comically terrible,

2528
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:27,399
like this is laughably disastrously a bit like you can't

2529
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,600
get your head around how bad this band are, and

2530
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:31,560
then the fives of people going like this is the

2531
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:37,479
most interesting, exciting, like perplexing sound in hardcore. And I've

2532
01:58:37,479 --> 01:58:39,640
always liked them and I've always like kind of kept

2533
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:41,560
my on it because it's one of those bands where

2534
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:43,800
you never forget that you've heard them, you know, oh

2535
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,680
it's yeah, of course it's the miss Piggy band world.

2536
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,000
What was I thinking, Like, it's it's in your brain

2537
01:58:48,119 --> 01:58:50,479
for the first you hear it, and then when suddenly

2538
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:52,840
last year, I think they went from just being a

2539
01:58:52,920 --> 01:58:55,119
lot of fun and interesting to be like, oh, hang on,

2540
01:58:56,279 --> 01:58:58,880
Like on the on the Three Faces of Abucy, it's like, oh,

2541
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,720
you're actually fucking rreat Like you've made one of the

2542
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:06,760
best metal hardcore EPs of the decade so far. You go,

2543
01:59:07,399 --> 01:59:08,960
So this band that was just listening to it of

2544
01:59:09,039 --> 01:59:14,239
like Morbid Curiosity are now creating great bodies of work.

2545
01:59:15,319 --> 01:59:18,840
Suddenly it goes from like, you know, a bit fun too,

2546
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,000
I can't wait to see what the next full length is.

2547
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:23,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2548
01:59:23,359 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: We first reviewed them on the Dear Lemon House album

2549
01:59:26,079 --> 01:59:28,840
in twenty twenty one, and that was a real Jesus,

2550
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:30,680
this is a lot kind of first impression for a

2551
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:33,479
lot of us. And then I agree last year was

2552
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,279
when they really like cemented themselves in my head as

2553
01:59:36,319 --> 01:59:39,079
like really want to watch because you put a couple

2554
01:59:39,079 --> 01:59:40,920
of EPs, but particularly the first one, the Three Faces

2555
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,560
of Beauty. It's you know, while this band are the

2556
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:46,720
most clear obvious case of well that won't be for

2557
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:49,840
everyone that we may ever have all three of us. Well, like,

2558
01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:52,359
this thing is awesome because the sound of Kay and

2559
01:59:52,439 --> 01:59:56,680
Ashley is just a band so violently being themselves. They

2560
01:59:56,760 --> 02:00:01,279
are an incredibly experimental hardcore band just composing actually before

2561
02:00:01,399 --> 02:00:05,279
you add in the vocals, which come from the single

2562
02:00:05,399 --> 02:00:08,880
most identifiable hardcore vocalist of this generation. Like whether you

2563
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:10,479
want to say it's a good thing or not, that

2564
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:14,119
is true, and we just keep being drawn to their

2565
02:00:14,199 --> 02:00:17,399
kind of idiosyncrasy. And what I think you have at

2566
02:00:17,479 --> 02:00:21,840
least to say is really pure unbridled expression that I

2567
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,880
find compelling. And this album I want to go home.

2568
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:27,079
Obviously we're back at full length, so we have a

2569
02:00:27,159 --> 02:00:29,840
lot more room for sort of creative and no flexibility

2570
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:31,760
maybe than an EP that we all fell in love

2571
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,560
with last year did so while the top line is

2572
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:37,159
again how manic in its intensity it is, and those

2573
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:39,079
things that we know Kay and Ashy for. I do

2574
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:40,720
have to say about Kay and Ashy and going into

2575
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:44,439
a record like this, I'm still, like continually quite surprised

2576
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,239
by their their musical dynamism.

2577
02:00:47,079 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 2: I mean just you know, you hit ploann this and

2578
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:50,760
you get confusion in a car crash, which is like

2579
02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:54,720
a weird o prog metal intro. There is so much

2580
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,279
they draw on where you go. There is prog, there

2581
02:00:57,359 --> 02:01:00,960
is hardcore, there's metalcore, there's emo, there's like splices together

2582
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:03,760
in a way that it's always kind of alarming, like

2583
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,000
this is the sound of like a nerd. This banner

2584
02:01:06,119 --> 02:01:08,520
just the sounded like a nervous breakdown for like forty

2585
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,359
minutes when they're on, and it just makes them so

2586
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:13,399
dynamic and interesting to listen to.

2587
02:01:13,479 --> 02:01:15,920
Speaker 1: Me. Yeah, I think not everything they pull from in

2588
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:18,920
their music is necessarily one hundred percent for me, but

2589
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:20,840
I mean, so they obvious they drawn a lot of

2590
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:25,119
like emotional hardcore from really like disgusting brutal metalcore, but

2591
02:01:25,159 --> 02:01:27,199
then also like emo and like post hardcore and stuff

2592
02:01:27,239 --> 02:01:29,319
on this one. I also think prog to a big

2593
02:01:29,439 --> 02:01:32,000
degree as well. And I do think I mean, as

2594
02:01:32,039 --> 02:01:34,039
a descriptor, you'd say that, and maybe it sounds a

2595
02:01:34,079 --> 02:01:36,399
bit similar to like the Callistalboys, right who we put out,

2596
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,039
you know, the review of their album last month, And

2597
02:01:39,039 --> 02:01:42,119
they're definitely peers, maybe spiritually similar, but I think obviously

2598
02:01:42,199 --> 02:01:44,000
emotionally they're very different experiences.

2599
02:01:44,079 --> 02:01:45,239
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, I.

2600
02:01:45,239 --> 02:01:47,039
Speaker 1: Mean, I'm not trying to make it one versus the other,

2601
02:01:47,079 --> 02:01:49,600
but I personally prefer Kay and Ashy because while I

2602
02:01:49,640 --> 02:01:51,960
think they both have like a real theater kid energy,

2603
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:55,920
Kay and Ashy feels like it's exercising like a well

2604
02:01:56,199 --> 02:01:59,840
of like real pain and torment and something really like

2605
02:02:00,520 --> 02:02:02,439
dark and ugly at the core of it, rather than

2606
02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:04,239
just sort of like the stylistic flamboyance and sort of

2607
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:06,560
flipping around a lot. And I think that's a kind

2608
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,960
of uniting thread that you get through an album like

2609
02:02:09,079 --> 02:02:12,439
this a bit. And while I think the Three Faces

2610
02:02:12,439 --> 02:02:14,800
of beaut eep like fifteen minutes was like a perfect

2611
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:19,600
delivery of what they do, this is a different proposition

2612
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:23,000
and rather than like the kind of heart hand grenade

2613
02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:27,079
in your hand explosion that the EP was, this refreshes

2614
02:02:27,159 --> 02:02:29,720
its own mode like an impressive amount.

2615
02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I went into this wondering, how are they

2616
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,920
going to stretch the sort of new found understanding of

2617
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:38,000
how they write songs over forty five minutes, Like they've

2618
02:02:38,079 --> 02:02:40,600
kind of nailed it so perfectly in the fifteen minute

2619
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:44,000
framework that I wondered would it be possible to scale

2620
02:02:44,039 --> 02:02:47,399
this thing up? And I'd kind of forgotten just how

2621
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,159
diverse they are as a band just musically at the

2622
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:52,680
things that're drawing. And it's funny because a lot of

2623
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,600
this stuff on paper doesn't sound that crazy where you

2624
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:58,199
think like it was a sort of hardcore adjacent band,

2625
02:02:58,399 --> 02:03:00,640
and this sounds a bit more emo than the last one.

2626
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:05,000
You go, well like stop the fucking presses, like who cares.

2627
02:03:05,479 --> 02:03:08,960
But their sound is so sort of baffling and unsettling

2628
02:03:09,039 --> 02:03:13,680
and weird that when they do things that are more

2629
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:17,319
maybe like traditional and straightforward, it just keeps you on

2630
02:03:17,439 --> 02:03:18,960
ten to hooks because you're got. I don't trust you,

2631
02:03:19,239 --> 02:03:21,319
like when you sound like sensors fail. I don't trust

2632
02:03:21,359 --> 02:03:23,479
You're just gonna sound like senses fail because at any

2633
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:26,039
moment there's gonna be some sort of rug pull where

2634
02:03:26,039 --> 02:03:27,840
I thought, Yeah, I thought I was listening to dance

2635
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,560
Gavin dance some like nice ugly boogly swankorn and now

2636
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:32,439
suddenly I'm in hell again.

2637
02:03:33,079 --> 02:03:34,840
Speaker 2: And so for forty five minutes.

2638
02:03:35,279 --> 02:03:38,720
Speaker 3: Even though this is maybe like just breaking up, the

2639
02:03:38,720 --> 02:03:41,840
sort of the chemistry of the record has some of

2640
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:45,199
their more chill moments. I was just stressed out the

2641
02:03:45,239 --> 02:03:47,279
whole time. I was just like on eggshells waiting for

2642
02:03:47,359 --> 02:03:47,920
it to erupt.

2643
02:03:48,439 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2644
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:51,239
Speaker 1: I think that their use of the kind of two

2645
02:03:51,319 --> 02:03:54,479
thousands of nostalgia music is interesting as well, because the

2646
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:57,439
way that they're again that they have a very like

2647
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:02,479
you know, intricate, ultrustic narrative storytelling where there's some kind

2648
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:04,680
of you know, a story that's been going on from

2649
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:07,319
record to record around this sort of character. But the

2650
02:04:07,399 --> 02:04:08,960
general thing that you very much pick up on from

2651
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,560
the first time you interact with one of their records

2652
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:14,600
is this sense of like teenage adolescent horror basically of

2653
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:18,000
maybe a poisoned nostalgia. You know, it's like it's remembering

2654
02:04:18,119 --> 02:04:21,279
you know, school time and adolescence and kind of you know,

2655
02:04:21,399 --> 02:04:24,119
domesticity and the sort of trauma that comes with that.

2656
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,159
And I think using that almost like the the comfort

2657
02:04:28,239 --> 02:04:32,159
blanket of sounds from like that era if you were

2658
02:04:32,199 --> 02:04:34,000
a teenager during that era, right where then you have

2659
02:04:34,119 --> 02:04:37,159
like the MySpace emo type choruses and stuff to tap

2660
02:04:37,239 --> 02:04:40,119
into and convey that horror. Even that sort of you know,

2661
02:04:40,720 --> 02:04:44,600
that kind of musical nostalgia is a more savly, put together,

2662
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,399
cohesive idea and sort of employment of the trope than

2663
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,840
just we're going to sound like senses fail for a

2664
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:53,039
bit because we like that. I also think there's a

2665
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,920
ton of corn in what they do, both in like

2666
02:04:56,079 --> 02:05:00,439
the thumping low end sort of like sagging ball bag

2667
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,800
ripping that they have going on. But then when the

2668
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:06,359
front man is like really going, he can go a

2669
02:05:06,439 --> 02:05:08,680
bit like Jonathan at his most sort of bestial when

2670
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:10,359
he's doing like the Nick Knap, Paddywax and that kind

2671
02:05:10,359 --> 02:05:13,600
of shit. And again, rather than like the flamboyant post

2672
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:17,640
hardcore theater thing, it's marrying that with a like animalistic

2673
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:20,279
expression of trauma that you would associate with like early

2674
02:05:20,399 --> 02:05:22,960
Corn for example. You know, in a different way to

2675
02:05:23,039 --> 02:05:25,119
what we said about bands like Chatpyle doing there's a

2676
02:05:25,159 --> 02:05:28,399
sort of spiritual update of that, and this is very,

2677
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:31,880
very involved in that sort of combination of elements. And

2678
02:05:32,359 --> 02:05:34,439
as you were saying, Sam about the intro track goes

2679
02:05:34,439 --> 02:05:37,520
into the first song proper, they're not part of the dark,

2680
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:41,479
and it's got this like almost like actual death core

2681
02:05:41,560 --> 02:05:44,079
boarderline at points level of heaviness, with this sort of

2682
02:05:44,279 --> 02:05:49,520
vomitous torrent of like blast beats and grotesque guitar shapes

2683
02:05:49,560 --> 02:05:51,720
and the way that like old suicide silence or something

2684
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,960
would feel like the auditory equivalent of like ripping bloody

2685
02:05:56,039 --> 02:05:58,399
stool out of a toilet, Like this has that kind

2686
02:05:58,399 --> 02:06:01,399
of feel to it, and my man is just ripping

2687
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:05,079
himself to shreds. The highlight in that song being the

2688
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:08,960
very end when he goes Tomorrow is another. But over

2689
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:12,920
that like level of just like proper shriveling you up

2690
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:16,880
into a ball of jelly heaviness, riffing, it's impossible to

2691
02:06:17,079 --> 02:06:19,399
not be, you know, compelled and moved by it in

2692
02:06:19,479 --> 02:06:19,960
some sense.

2693
02:06:20,720 --> 02:06:22,600
Speaker 2: I mean that is I'm pere out of the vocous

2694
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:28,079
like just such a distinct character. And again, I know,

2695
02:06:28,359 --> 02:06:30,680
like it's a boring cosation to say kind of that

2696
02:06:30,760 --> 02:06:32,840
voes will be for everyone and they're not. But he

2697
02:06:33,079 --> 02:06:35,880
just I find that just so I'm just so captivate

2698
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:38,239
by it because again I love even I still find

2699
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:41,119
the vocals can be a bit disconcerting and unsettling sometimes,

2700
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:44,039
And that's where the magic of Like Cane actually comes from.

2701
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:48,960
Is that the repressed teenage horror like trauma and also

2702
02:06:49,079 --> 02:06:51,840
like high school bullying and shootings and all these sort

2703
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,000
of things and all kind of elements they feed through

2704
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:57,119
the narrative for these characters. And having having the vocals

2705
02:06:57,159 --> 02:07:01,600
who sounds like genuinely a little bit insane conveysed out

2706
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:04,520
those kind of stories a lot more compellingly. And I

2707
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,760
think again on the last album, it was a lot

2708
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:09,279
it was kind of the frantic screaming the entire time.

2709
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:11,520
This one, he's kind of like doing a few more

2710
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:13,680
different sort of things with them, Like I assu you

2711
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:16,399
remember with the Corn things that like Red Sink Yellow

2712
02:07:16,439 --> 02:07:19,560
Teeth has some of the really weird vocal tics and

2713
02:07:19,640 --> 02:07:21,199
it's kind of really fun. You go really fast and

2714
02:07:21,239 --> 02:07:24,039
making loads of weird noises, and it's kind of like, yeah,

2715
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:25,840
that that's not a normal vocalist doing that, in the

2716
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,159
same way you would say that about Jonathan Davis in

2717
02:07:28,199 --> 02:07:30,359
the sort of the debut Corn album. But there's just

2718
02:07:30,439 --> 02:07:35,439
loads of like interesting turns they take on this album musically, lyrically, vocally,

2719
02:07:35,439 --> 02:07:38,600
where it's always just like an alarming listen where you

2720
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:42,920
know you've had into intro track, then that really crushing

2721
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,640
the heavy opener, and then you get Extra Prayers, which

2722
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:50,800
is just like disarmingly tranquil and again kind of disconcern

2723
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:54,319
because it's so pretty that song and you're kind of going, like, so,

2724
02:07:54,479 --> 02:07:56,520
what's gonna ugly this up? In any second?

2725
02:07:56,920 --> 02:08:00,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's almost like sort of pleany esque kind of know,

2726
02:08:00,279 --> 02:08:03,359
jazzy like bass tapping stuff, and when that moves into

2727
02:08:03,399 --> 02:08:05,000
when I Say, which I think is another really strong

2728
02:08:05,039 --> 02:08:08,359
tracks on this record. The vocalist he's immediately back on

2729
02:08:08,479 --> 02:08:10,119
ten right, there's no building up to it again, but

2730
02:08:10,199 --> 02:08:13,760
the guitars beneath him are this sort of like nudely

2731
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,640
but expressive proggy post hardcore. And then when the chorus hits,

2732
02:08:18,279 --> 02:08:22,640
not only is it a like MySpace esque two thousands

2733
02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:25,960
post hardcore chorus, and not only is it actually a

2734
02:08:26,119 --> 02:08:28,520
really good, really good right like, it's really like it's

2735
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,239
one of the strongest of that type of chorus I've

2736
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:32,840
heard in the last few years. When it's become sort

2737
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:36,159
of coming back around again, but it's still actually distinctive

2738
02:08:36,199 --> 02:08:38,159
to the guy's voice singing it right like, he's not

2739
02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:41,840
squawking it, but it's it's not like the thing I

2740
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:44,720
sometimes feel where it's like, oh, like the what might

2741
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,600
as well be senses fail has just like come on

2742
02:08:48,279 --> 02:08:51,279
at this point. It's still immersed within the sort of

2743
02:08:51,359 --> 02:08:54,239
the the particular pain of the guy who is singing it,

2744
02:08:54,319 --> 02:08:56,000
you know. And I will admit to being I was

2745
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,680
already on board with the band, but I will admit

2746
02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:01,399
to being shocked at how good at like a melodic

2747
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:04,039
post hard or chorus like that they actually prove themselves

2748
02:09:04,039 --> 02:09:04,439
to be on this.

2749
02:09:05,119 --> 02:09:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a lot of bands again, and I

2750
02:09:08,399 --> 02:09:09,920
feel like I'm doing a lot of compared within a

2751
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:12,439
peer group in this show. But it keeps coming up

2752
02:09:13,359 --> 02:09:16,039
a lot of bands who do the like the sort

2753
02:09:16,039 --> 02:09:18,399
of MySpace emo thing. It does sometimes feel like they

2754
02:09:18,479 --> 02:09:21,439
just sort of pushed a dispenser where it's like just

2755
02:09:21,479 --> 02:09:24,039
comes out and it's so generic it really can be anyone.

2756
02:09:24,119 --> 02:09:25,720
But it's nice for them because they like that style

2757
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:28,000
of music. Key and Ash have a really cool thing

2758
02:09:28,039 --> 02:09:32,319
where it's very obvious what they're drawing on, but it

2759
02:09:32,399 --> 02:09:34,680
still sounds so much like them. It sounds like that

2760
02:09:35,319 --> 02:09:38,920
mental brain that put together the Three Faces of Beauty

2761
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:44,720
EP has now has turned their attention to doing sort

2762
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:51,079
of turn of the twenty tens emo, and again it's

2763
02:09:51,159 --> 02:09:53,399
it's it's strange because it's one on one end, it's

2764
02:09:53,439 --> 02:09:56,239
one of the more normal sounds they've ever put together,

2765
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,720
but because you're braced for something completely off the Wolves

2766
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:02,479
Men's it's surprising. It's own new way. Like it's not

2767
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,199
quite as dazzling as the other stuff they do, but

2768
02:10:05,319 --> 02:10:06,399
it's no less impressive.

2769
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that it's a song that a

2770
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:11,479
normal band could maybe hear as their potential crossover single.

2771
02:10:12,199 --> 02:10:15,079
Like even the way the Breakdown builds it is done

2772
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:17,319
to a really skilled standard, but the kind of it's

2773
02:10:17,359 --> 02:10:19,880
the old place that I feel safe is not a safe,

2774
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:23,239
conventional moshicle for that kind of thing. And I think

2775
02:10:23,279 --> 02:10:25,600
they prove very adept at that kind of techy texture

2776
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:27,199
on this, which is something I don't always like, but

2777
02:10:27,279 --> 02:10:28,760
I think, like you, Eliot, I really like the way

2778
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:32,560
it's employed within this slightly more unhinged world that they're in.

2779
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,600
And Jamie with Anthony Green from from Circus of Iron

2780
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:39,119
and say us In and some of those other bands,

2781
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:41,840
that's a guy who I can't be doing with that

2782
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,000
guy's voice at the best of times, like he is

2783
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:46,319
he is too into that. That's a little ballerina you've

2784
02:10:46,319 --> 02:10:51,800
wheeled out to sing, You're like, but like you know,

2785
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:53,439
I will say that the sort of the Saya Siny

2786
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,039
influence on this stuff in you know, this record is

2787
02:10:56,520 --> 02:11:00,600
apparent and done to a high standard. There's a moment

2788
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:02,640
on this that in a similar way to like you know,

2789
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:04,439
I crossed the Street and that whole thing from the

2790
02:11:04,520 --> 02:11:07,600
last record will stick into my head for the kind

2791
02:11:07,640 --> 02:11:13,319
of absolute jarring violence amidst mundanity. It is the opening

2792
02:11:13,399 --> 02:11:16,920
lines of a song you mentioned before, the track six

2793
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:23,439
This morning light brushed my teeth at him like unfolding

2794
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:27,880
this like full like squawking horror story about spitting blood

2795
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:31,239
into a sink and then like in the blood seeing

2796
02:11:31,359 --> 02:11:33,159
these things that it turning into a kind of like

2797
02:11:33,239 --> 02:11:39,039
psychological obsession thing over this like sickening bending corn riff.

2798
02:11:39,479 --> 02:11:41,960
You know, it's just brilliant, and it's not just the

2799
02:11:42,039 --> 02:11:44,159
kind of squawky mickey mouse thing. It's some of what

2800
02:11:44,279 --> 02:11:47,600
you assume to be the sort of like offwards he

2801
02:11:47,800 --> 02:11:49,840
says in the most upsetting way.

2802
02:11:50,119 --> 02:11:50,920
Speaker 2: There's one point where he.

2803
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:53,600
Speaker 1: Goes lonely, and it's just the way it's almost like

2804
02:11:54,359 --> 02:11:56,880
gurgled out of his voice, like it's in between like

2805
02:11:57,000 --> 02:11:59,159
like he's doing it through fucking a flood of tears

2806
02:12:00,279 --> 02:12:01,960
or like you were saying before the the random like

2807
02:12:02,319 --> 02:12:05,560
kind of barks in places where rhythmically should it even

2808
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:08,199
make sense for there to be barks, But he's like

2809
02:12:08,439 --> 02:12:11,000
found the ways around it. That is, that's another of

2810
02:12:11,079 --> 02:12:14,479
those just like you kind of have to sit there

2811
02:12:14,479 --> 02:12:16,920
with your mouth open as its unfold songs.

2812
02:12:17,159 --> 02:12:20,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, like how am I meant to feel normal about this,

2813
02:12:20,439 --> 02:12:23,199
like that r where it's that and slower forms of Suicide,

2814
02:12:23,239 --> 02:12:26,359
which again that song is just like relentless despair and

2815
02:12:26,399 --> 02:12:29,319
then has a completely like frenzied blastbeaed sex in the middle.

2816
02:12:29,079 --> 02:12:32,439
Speaker 1: Of that blastbeat passage. It still made jump on my

2817
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:34,680
second listen of this record, right and the last time

2818
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:38,520
I heard someone that just like vocally uninhibited on what

2819
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:42,319
is basically like a black Gaze riff was like ghost Bath, right,

2820
02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:43,600
Like it's nuts that part.

2821
02:12:44,399 --> 02:12:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like these two songs about the middle of record

2822
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:48,680
is a bit I kind of go like, oh, this

2823
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:50,319
is you kind of be like, we're gonna be our

2824
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:53,520
most insane right now. Like well, again, when they're doing

2825
02:12:53,560 --> 02:12:56,479
a you know, a more straightforward breakdown towards the end

2826
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:59,039
of that part, like a mosh part, it's still weird

2827
02:12:59,079 --> 02:13:01,720
as fucking never feel conventional. They just when they're doing

2828
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:04,840
emo choruses and breakdowns and moss parts some things that

2829
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,119
should be you know, the money sort of moment on

2830
02:13:07,239 --> 02:13:10,439
the song that everyone can get behind, it's still just

2831
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:13,239
kind of weird and you can't like sell it to

2832
02:13:13,319 --> 02:13:14,760
a normal kind of metalcore fan.

2833
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,079
Speaker 3: That's all these songs we're talking about now like Red Sink,

2834
02:13:17,159 --> 02:13:20,279
Yellow Teeth, Elephant in the Room, Misguided Malice. These are

2835
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:22,680
like the moments of the record where because they're not

2836
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:25,039
going down, the more emo and it sounds more like

2837
02:13:25,159 --> 02:13:27,840
conducied to what they were doing, like direlly before it

2838
02:13:27,880 --> 02:13:32,560
would come in. I go ah, classic Kanashi, What do

2839
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:36,079
you mean classic Koanashi? This is the strangest, fucking most

2840
02:13:36,199 --> 02:13:41,319
nightmare and yet somehow it's on one level it's more

2841
02:13:41,359 --> 02:13:46,680
comforting despite being some of the most distressing, frightening music

2842
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:50,840
that anyone in this field is making right now.

2843
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Fly on the Wall as well, they look like

2844
02:13:53,399 --> 02:13:55,159
yelp at the end of like every bar of the

2845
02:13:55,239 --> 02:13:58,760
chorus for some reason, just like erratically every time, sticking

2846
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:01,840
like jump cables in your chest. It's mad but also

2847
02:14:03,159 --> 02:14:07,239
heartening to hear a buzzy hardcore band right who, as

2848
02:14:07,319 --> 02:14:09,760
well as being very far into the deep end of

2849
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:13,399
the kind of violently ugly and twisted, are also clearly

2850
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:18,800
massive prog nerds because a four part ending suite. They

2851
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,800
love Cohed to say I see you Cohed and Cambria

2852
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:24,880
fans they've got to be. It's like Coheed if Claudio

2853
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:27,279
had dabbled with the wrong Wizard finally and was halfway

2854
02:14:27,319 --> 02:14:28,920
through being transformed into a frog.

2855
02:14:29,119 --> 02:14:30,720
Speaker 2: I mean they did that, like the last time I'm

2856
02:14:30,720 --> 02:14:32,279
go ended on like a three part suite as well.

2857
02:14:32,439 --> 02:14:34,119
Song was like now this was that you know we

2858
02:14:34,199 --> 02:14:35,840
were they're going to throw all because again it's a

2859
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:39,000
concept album of a narrative. There are like coheath and

2860
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:42,399
melodic passes like they are massive cohed fans. It's so obvious.

2861
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:44,640
It's just doing the codes thing. It's everybody being like

2862
02:14:44,720 --> 02:14:46,840
sci fi and space families and all that. It's kind

2863
02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:49,319
of like, yeah, childhood trauma and misery.

2864
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:53,560
Speaker 1: But there's an acoustic bit in Sanguine two that genuinely

2865
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:57,319
sounds like Opeth. It's like damnation that that's that's.

2866
02:14:57,199 --> 02:14:59,119
Speaker 3: The thing is like, on one hand, this is the

2867
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:01,000
moment of the record. You throw everything at the wall,

2868
02:15:01,079 --> 02:15:03,239
full prog, cod and cambria, let's really go for it.

2869
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:07,239
And yet it's some of the most like restrained, tasteful,

2870
02:15:08,199 --> 02:15:10,640
well composed music that I've heard Kane actually do.

2871
02:15:11,319 --> 02:15:11,760
Speaker 2: And I love that.

2872
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:13,520
Speaker 3: It's the combination of those two things. That's what makes

2873
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:17,479
great progressive music is where both feels like anything can happen,

2874
02:15:17,960 --> 02:15:22,159
and that everything that happens makes sense. And for the

2875
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,119
band who we open this review by going like their

2876
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,840
sound is fucked like this band and nuts, they just like,

2877
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,079
there's the sound is too crazy for words.

2878
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:31,039
Speaker 2: This like four parts wee with.

2879
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 3: The end it's it's it's well arranged, it it's coherent,

2880
02:15:35,039 --> 02:15:40,800
it makes sense. It's an emotional journey which is communicative

2881
02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:45,840
to the listener. Again, it's like, if you can stomach

2882
02:15:45,880 --> 02:15:48,279
the voice and some of the like real eccentricties of

2883
02:15:48,319 --> 02:15:51,560
this band, there's so much to appreciate it in moments

2884
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:51,800
like that.

2885
02:15:52,319 --> 02:15:54,600
Speaker 2: It ends on like the most emo of emo ballads

2886
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:56,199
as well, and again like that for me could have

2887
02:15:56,279 --> 02:15:58,199
been like a bit of a flat end of the record.

2888
02:15:58,279 --> 02:16:01,760
But then again it's a really kind of like dramatic

2889
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:03,920
ballad that builds up. I think again they're like, I'm

2890
02:16:03,960 --> 02:16:05,399
sure this whay you're probably gonna be like it's the

2891
02:16:05,399 --> 02:16:08,439
worst song on the album because there's you two. But

2892
02:16:08,479 --> 02:16:11,560
I think as a ballad that closes it, it's really engaging,

2893
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:14,760
really involving that the song does build, you know, But

2894
02:16:14,920 --> 02:16:16,399
when you get to out the third verse in particular,

2895
02:16:16,439 --> 02:16:19,119
I think it like it hits the most emo lyrics

2896
02:16:19,159 --> 02:16:21,840
and melodies imaginable, which to me is just kind of like,

2897
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:24,279
I'm so sort of like swept up in it, but

2898
02:16:24,359 --> 02:16:26,840
it never feels like a totally like whiny wet ballad.

2899
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:29,640
It's dramatic and involving in a way that kind of

2900
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:33,360
makes it like an interesting kind of like heartbreaking away

2901
02:16:33,399 --> 02:16:34,399
to end the record.

2902
02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I maybe get about three minutes into

2903
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:38,000
it and I maybe have my fill at that point.

2904
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:39,719
But the fact that like basically right up to that

2905
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,639
moment of this record, I was like with it the

2906
02:16:42,680 --> 02:16:45,159
whole way. When they're you know, when they're doing the

2907
02:16:45,239 --> 02:16:48,680
neudlely tech stuff, I think there is a tension between

2908
02:16:49,639 --> 02:16:51,760
the real kind of weight in the horror of their music,

2909
02:16:51,799 --> 02:16:54,639
so that even when the melody is the focus, it's

2910
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:57,799
not clean to a fault like most actual tech metal.

2911
02:16:57,840 --> 02:16:59,120
And I would say the sort of again, the sort

2912
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:01,520
of the swan Corey typest that's clearly liked to some degree,

2913
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:05,840
you know, became and there's just a very compelling kind

2914
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:09,680
of knife edge that they exist on, and the different

2915
02:17:09,719 --> 02:17:11,840
sort of textures they're kind of acquiring and adding to

2916
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:14,399
their arsenal, they're not subtracting from that you know, it's

2917
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:17,440
it's filling it out. And there's a point in Elephant

2918
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:20,239
in the Room when you can hear in real time

2919
02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:23,600
pretty much the band transitioning from that sort of cornish

2920
02:17:23,799 --> 02:17:28,719
looseness into a really like ultra tight, precise, mechanical sort

2921
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:30,680
of breakdown, and they have this sort of wind up

2922
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:32,079
from one of those things into the other, and it's

2923
02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:34,719
really fluid, and it's like the kind of moment that

2924
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:37,079
you wouldn't be doing in like a pro tool setup

2925
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:38,760
or something, you know. And I think in that musical

2926
02:17:38,840 --> 02:17:43,520
dexterity whilst crucially keeping it all grounded in their kind

2927
02:17:43,559 --> 02:17:45,600
of particular world and tone, which I think is actually

2928
02:17:45,639 --> 02:17:47,479
maybe the more difficult thing that a lot of bands

2929
02:17:47,520 --> 02:17:50,440
don't do when they're juggling this many elements. I think

2930
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:52,639
they're one of the most impressive hardcore bands around right now.

2931
02:17:52,799 --> 02:17:55,360
So that band are called Kayanashi, and that record is

2932
02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:58,719
called I Want to Go Home, the last hardcore album

2933
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:02,120
of the bunch. Today we are moving from contemporary hardcore

2934
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:04,559
to a voice that is returning from the genres far

2935
02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:09,000
past out next week a new Dead Guy album.

2936
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:12,120
Speaker 2: Can you believe it? No like?

2937
02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:12,959
Speaker 3: Having heard it?

2938
02:18:13,239 --> 02:18:14,639
Speaker 2: Still no like them?

2939
02:18:14,719 --> 02:18:16,440
Speaker 3: Coming back in the first place a few years ago

2940
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:18,280
was surprising enough. It was one of those UNEs where

2941
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:20,840
you know, not impossible, but it just felt like such

2942
02:18:20,879 --> 02:18:23,239
an a that I never entertain heard on.

2943
02:18:23,239 --> 02:18:24,319
Speaker 2: A Damnation lineup.

2944
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:26,360
Speaker 3: It was always like, I think it was like decibel

2945
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:28,120
something something like, oh yeah, well, like they'll be playing

2946
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:30,840
off SBI it'd a Dead Guy. What This wasn't even

2947
02:18:30,920 --> 02:18:33,959
like entertained or like banded around. And so when the

2948
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:36,440
announcement that there was gonna be new music, he was like,

2949
02:18:36,600 --> 02:18:38,280
this is all just a bonus. I didn't have any

2950
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:41,159
expectations for this either, Like this, I almost don't mind

2951
02:18:41,399 --> 02:18:44,159
how good this is because it's like, oh fuck, like

2952
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:44,879
new Dead Guy.

2953
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 2: Great. Yeah.

2954
02:18:47,360 --> 02:18:49,280
Speaker 1: So the record is out next Friday, the twenty seventh.

2955
02:18:49,360 --> 02:18:52,239
The record is called Near Death Travel Services. Dead Guy

2956
02:18:52,399 --> 02:18:56,520
are a cult name within the world of metallic hardcore,

2957
02:18:56,600 --> 02:18:59,600
but one that you should absolutely get acquainted with if

2958
02:18:59,639 --> 02:19:02,959
you like that music, as when it comes to the harsh,

2959
02:19:03,520 --> 02:19:06,559
frenetic style of metallic hardcore that you'd know from a

2960
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:10,159
Converge or a botch later on and every time I

2961
02:19:10,239 --> 02:19:12,600
die on Normal Gene, whoever it may be, and so

2962
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:16,000
the lineage goes on Dead Guy are one of the earliest,

2963
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:18,920
most pivotal adopters of that kind of music, and they

2964
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:21,719
are obviously that within the context of their time right,

2965
02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:25,079
Like they weren't making Calculating Infinity yet in nineteen ninety five.

2966
02:19:25,239 --> 02:19:28,120
But this is a band who absolutely changed things and

2967
02:19:28,239 --> 02:19:30,719
like set balls rolling when they hit the scene back

2968
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:32,440
in the early to mid nineties, and they are a

2969
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:36,200
band who acted as a major inspirational touchstone for all

2970
02:19:36,239 --> 02:19:39,440
those bands who have mentioned, as well as enduringly one

2971
02:19:39,479 --> 02:19:43,079
of the most hostile and antagonistic musically bands in the scene,

2972
02:19:43,399 --> 02:19:46,399
as captured as well as on a surrounding couple of

2973
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:49,879
EPs and stuff on their one seminal album, The Immortal

2974
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,959
Fixation on a Coworker, the imagery and logo and everything

2975
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:57,399
to do with having become legendary. We covered that history

2976
02:19:57,440 --> 02:19:59,719
of Dead Guy when we did an album review album

2977
02:19:59,719 --> 02:20:03,399
Club on Fixation on a Coworker about eighteen months ago

2978
02:20:03,479 --> 02:20:05,719
before Damnation Festival where we all got to see them

2979
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,440
because they play two sets there. There's a documentary called

2980
02:20:08,559 --> 02:20:10,879
Killing Music that I believe is on Amazon Prime of

2981
02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:13,120
all places that I watched, which covers that kind of

2982
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:15,639
Dead Guy origin story but also then they're, you know,

2983
02:20:15,760 --> 02:20:17,200
recent reunion, getting the band.

2984
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:17,959
Speaker 2: Back together that thing.

2985
02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:21,799
Speaker 1: And that said, when I got the email a little

2986
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,399
while ago with a Dead Guy album in it, I

2987
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:25,959
did have a pang of disbelief, like.

2988
02:20:26,159 --> 02:20:29,079
Speaker 2: A Dead Guy album, because Fixation on a.

2989
02:20:29,079 --> 02:20:32,399
Speaker 1: Coworker came out in nineteen ninety five, and for comparison,

2990
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:37,479
Carcass or At the Gates put out their last albums

2991
02:20:37,559 --> 02:20:40,520
of their original runs around the same time as that,

2992
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:43,440
And then they came out and put up their reunion

2993
02:20:43,479 --> 02:20:45,559
albums that felt like they were a really long time

2994
02:20:45,639 --> 02:20:48,639
coming and sort of mythical themselves. Both of those over

2995
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:52,239
a decade ago now, and they have been around ever since,

2996
02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:56,120
having turned into like very firmly established not actually that

2997
02:20:56,319 --> 02:21:00,719
novel anymore accepted reunions. The gap between Carcass and At

2998
02:21:00,799 --> 02:21:04,559
the Gate albums is like eighteen nineteen years or something.

2999
02:21:04,920 --> 02:21:06,600
Speaker 2: This is thirty years.

3000
02:21:07,399 --> 02:21:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is even longer wait than Francesca, if you

3001
02:21:09,719 --> 02:21:10,159
can believe it.

3002
02:21:12,799 --> 02:21:13,879
Speaker 2: This is this gap.

3003
02:21:14,120 --> 02:21:16,440
Speaker 3: It's only just occurse of me now. It's like four

3004
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:20,319
years short of the gap between Never Say Die and Thirteen.

3005
02:21:22,879 --> 02:21:23,200
Speaker 2: Sucks.

3006
02:21:23,440 --> 02:21:25,440
Speaker 3: Think about everything we discussed, yeah, I.

3007
02:21:25,479 --> 02:21:27,079
Speaker 1: Mean, we just did a whole Poison the World band

3008
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:29,319
special on that sort of Patreon, and we have a

3009
02:21:29,399 --> 02:21:32,399
you know, kind of a much heralded reunion album from them,

3010
02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:36,079
supposedly on the way their entire career happens in the

3011
02:21:36,159 --> 02:21:40,040
time between Dead Guy albums like this is one of

3012
02:21:40,079 --> 02:21:42,440
the bands who almost feel like they aren't meant to

3013
02:21:42,520 --> 02:21:44,600
have a second album. It's been so long, and yet

3014
02:21:44,799 --> 02:21:47,520
here we are, we have it. We all really love

3015
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,319
Dead Guy. I think collectively they're the kind of like abrasive,

3016
02:21:50,920 --> 02:21:53,920
a bit unhinged hardcore that we all really like. They

3017
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:56,280
have been fucking great live on the comeback. We all

3018
02:21:56,319 --> 02:21:58,600
had fun seeing them, so we know, at least there

3019
02:21:58,639 --> 02:22:00,399
they can do it. And they're still you know, they've

3020
02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:02,719
got the bit between their teeth there. And at the

3021
02:22:02,719 --> 02:22:05,719
same time, rather than being very self serious about their

3022
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:09,319
like hardness or whatever, or even their legacy, they are

3023
02:22:10,159 --> 02:22:11,639
you know, even though they are super spiky, that's not

3024
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,479
the kind of antagonist that the Dead Guy are. There

3025
02:22:13,559 --> 02:22:15,840
is a humor and a self awareness about them. Hence

3026
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:17,959
an album thirty years in the making from a bunch

3027
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:20,360
of guys touring in their fifties now called Near Death

3028
02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:24,760
Travel Services. But despite the surrealness of it existing. I

3029
02:22:25,559 --> 02:22:28,600
weirdly felt like I would be quite prime to basically

3030
02:22:28,799 --> 02:22:31,639
know what roughly to expect from a new Dead Guy

3031
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:33,360
and be kind of down and open for it. I

3032
02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:36,120
basically imagine the energy of those recent live shows we

3033
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:38,639
saw of Dead Guys still being angry and still sounded

3034
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:41,440
that Dead Guy. But you know, as older men translated

3035
02:22:41,479 --> 02:22:43,479
onto a record, what do we think about the first

3036
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:44,959
Dead Guy album in thirty years?

3037
02:22:45,959 --> 02:22:47,680
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like I was kind of like, this

3038
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:52,520
isn't gonna be as completely like savage and ferocious a

3039
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:54,840
spectation of cal cars are like, just forget that that

3040
02:22:54,959 --> 02:22:57,120
don't even humor that thigu about, Like I say, think

3041
02:22:57,159 --> 02:22:58,680
about that lives you we saw when they were like

3042
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:02,399
just they were having fun whilst being really intense and spiky,

3043
02:23:03,159 --> 02:23:06,680
and like, yeah, this is ripped. I think this album

3044
02:23:07,399 --> 02:23:10,319
is just a good time to listen to if you

3045
02:23:10,639 --> 02:23:15,120
like spiky, angry hardcore music. Is it you know asi

3046
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:18,600
gen reinvention? Is it a legendary band kind of going

3047
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:23,159
We did one cult album that completely like influenced some

3048
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:25,879
of the most kind of beloved bands, and so like,

3049
02:23:25,959 --> 02:23:28,879
let's just have another guy and let's have fun. Doing it. Fuck, yeah,

3050
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:30,680
that's exactly what this is. And I think it's a

3051
02:23:30,719 --> 02:23:32,159
great time. Yeah.

3052
02:23:32,159 --> 02:23:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's so refreshing going into a comeback record

3053
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:37,399
by a band who have a material I absolutely love,

3054
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:41,120
with no expectations at all, Like those albums you were

3055
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:44,159
talking about earlier, like Carcass at the Gates, even Sad,

3056
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:46,879
it was like, please be good, Please be good, Please

3057
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:49,440
be good. I'll be gusted if this isn't good. This

3058
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:51,559
one was like, I'll just take what you've got, like

3059
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:53,520
this whole thing. Like I say, it feels like a bonus.

3060
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:56,040
Speaker 2: And I think I said this.

3061
02:23:56,079 --> 02:23:59,319
Speaker 3: When we all said it when they played Damnation, But

3062
02:23:59,360 --> 02:24:02,479
there was a sort of I say, still a furious band,

3063
02:24:02,600 --> 02:24:06,040
still sounding feral, but just to look at the band

3064
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:08,239
on stage, it looked a bit like a bunch of

3065
02:24:08,319 --> 02:24:10,840
dads had congregated at the street barbecue and we're about

3066
02:24:10,879 --> 02:24:13,559
to like peel out some pepper songs, do you know

3067
02:24:13,559 --> 02:24:17,200
what I mean? And somehow, while making a record that

3068
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:21,600
still feels violent and pissed off and abrasive and nasty,

3069
02:24:22,360 --> 02:24:25,399
they've managed to kind of carry over that similar vibe

3070
02:24:25,840 --> 02:24:28,159
where I don't know if that's purely in my head

3071
02:24:28,239 --> 02:24:30,840
or if it's somewhere on the record, I was struck

3072
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:34,760
by what like a good time this was. And I'm

3073
02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:37,159
kind of relieved because if I put on a Dead

3074
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:40,000
Guy record thirty years after fixations on a coworker and

3075
02:24:40,120 --> 02:24:43,879
they were still that neurotic and like mentally unwell, and

3076
02:24:43,920 --> 02:24:46,079
you'd start to have questions, you'd go, like, guys, maybe

3077
02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:48,319
maybe it was better not to come back. You don't

3078
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:50,920
seem very pleased. But pointing this on, I'm just listening,

3079
02:24:50,920 --> 02:24:53,600
I'm just like you go on boys like I'm just

3080
02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:55,360
I'm geared up for them the whole time.

3081
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:56,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is.

3082
02:24:58,079 --> 02:25:02,440
Speaker 1: Certainly it is still a very angry sounding record. Maybe

3083
02:25:02,799 --> 02:25:06,239
more of that anger is projected at kind of the

3084
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:09,479
world around them. Maybe like there's obviously a you know,

3085
02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:13,959
a real fucking an inbuilt sort of fury about you know,

3086
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:17,440
American society and where it's on a record like this

3087
02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:19,280
that you can very much tell. And I certainly think

3088
02:25:19,639 --> 02:25:25,879
Tim in particular sounds absolutely just like so fucking just

3089
02:25:26,040 --> 02:25:28,200
pissed on a record like this in a way that is,

3090
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:30,760
you know, it wouldn't quite be Dead Guy if it

3091
02:25:30,879 --> 02:25:34,520
wasn't like that. But certainly in the feeling of the

3092
02:25:34,600 --> 02:25:38,079
band like plugging back in together. You can feel some

3093
02:25:38,200 --> 02:25:42,239
of that like, you know, sort of a I don't know,

3094
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:44,719
mature spontaneity to use a sort of like like a

3095
02:25:44,799 --> 02:25:49,719
you know, like that sense of almost like they've completely

3096
02:25:49,879 --> 02:25:53,639
bypassed the era of again like pro tools and file

3097
02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:55,399
sharing or whatever, all this stuff, and it's just like,

3098
02:25:55,440 --> 02:25:56,920
what should we just get in the van again and

3099
02:25:57,040 --> 02:25:59,040
just sort of do what we did before? But we're

3100
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:00,719
all fifty now, Yeah, I have a go?

3101
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:01,120
Speaker 2: Why not?

3102
02:26:01,879 --> 02:26:04,959
Speaker 1: And that does make for something just like very familiar

3103
02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:09,159
in a good way, you know, vibes and material where

3104
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:12,639
you could almost imagine that despite the fact obviously the

3105
02:26:12,639 --> 02:26:15,879
recording and everything is like more modern professionally done than

3106
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:19,200
the one from thirty years ago in the mid nineties. Musically,

3107
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:24,200
you can imagine no hardcore having happened since Fixation With Coworker,

3108
02:26:24,559 --> 02:26:27,680
there's almost no influence from anything modern or anything post

3109
02:26:27,760 --> 02:26:31,319
Dead Guy. On this record is Dead Guy picking up

3110
02:26:31,360 --> 02:26:34,600
again with the follow up to Fixation or a Coworker.

3111
02:26:34,719 --> 02:26:37,040
They just happen to have aged thirty years between between

3112
02:26:37,079 --> 02:26:40,600
them doing it. I think that's really fun again Killed.

3113
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:44,840
The first song, Kilfe is a fucking flamethrower of a writh,

3114
02:26:45,159 --> 02:26:50,120
And I think it's quite cool how naturally the Dead

3115
02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:54,079
Guy feel of Groove and Writh has translated, because it

3116
02:26:54,159 --> 02:26:58,000
would be tempting to maybe view Dead Guy's position on

3117
02:26:58,040 --> 02:27:01,200
the timeline as a sort of like halfway not fully

3118
02:27:01,239 --> 02:27:04,120
their thing, because it's coming out of like early nineties

3119
02:27:04,159 --> 02:27:09,559
hardcore and building into the extreme like accomplished Matthew chaos

3120
02:27:09,639 --> 02:27:11,799
that like Convert Dylan just so on are gonna do,

3121
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:15,760
but that it has this like erratically violent but also

3122
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:19,079
recognizably hardcore mosh rift type, that weird halfway house that

3123
02:27:19,159 --> 02:27:21,479
Dead Guys are existing because they are the transitionary point

3124
02:27:22,520 --> 02:27:25,040
that is there on these rifts, and it still sounds

3125
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:26,399
thirty year later fantastic.

3126
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kilfe is such a cigarette. It wastes like no time,

3127
02:27:30,920 --> 02:27:33,799
just sort of slamming you in the face with like

3128
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:38,799
that sort of jagged, violent riffing, barbed screams like this

3129
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:41,719
to me sounds like a completely free album where there's

3130
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,479
no constraints, there's nothing, kind of like it's just as

3131
02:27:44,520 --> 02:27:46,760
you say, it's dudes rocking out. It's guys come again

3132
02:27:46,799 --> 02:27:49,040
to him and let's just crank out some rifts and

3133
02:27:49,079 --> 02:27:51,879
some tunes and let's throw back and not worry about

3134
02:27:52,280 --> 02:27:54,920
trying to fit in with any current trends. And what

3135
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:58,319
you just get then is you know, Kilfe barn Burner

3136
02:27:58,479 --> 02:28:00,639
new best Frenzy songs are just kind of clatter out

3137
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:03,639
and fuak fump all over the place, and it's just

3138
02:28:04,360 --> 02:28:06,559
like has one of the most Again, I fucking adore

3139
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:09,120
the guitar tone on this album that just got like

3140
02:28:09,879 --> 02:28:14,360
raisor like just cutting, like but like crushing and thick

3141
02:28:14,399 --> 02:28:16,760
at the same time, kind of like how can you like, really,

3142
02:28:16,840 --> 02:28:18,440
why are you really thicking into this? And it just

3143
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:22,760
sounds like just so nice to my ears. And again,

3144
02:28:22,879 --> 02:28:25,079
like it was Wed say something like that sounds nice,

3145
02:28:25,159 --> 02:28:27,559
but with where Milkore is hearing a milk come that

3146
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:30,639
sounds like this, I was like, ah, yeah, just come on,

3147
02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:32,479
Like I love the sound of that, and it just

3148
02:28:32,799 --> 02:28:34,399
doesn't let up, you know the whole record.

3149
02:28:34,479 --> 02:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the way they kind of liquid flick between rhythms

3150
02:28:37,319 --> 02:28:40,440
but whilst really just sounding like sand paper the whole time,

3151
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:42,959
like stuff like cheap tricks so harsh, and I think

3152
02:28:43,000 --> 02:28:46,479
if like, if you like you know Dyllinger and bands

3153
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:48,399
like that who have gotten bigger since Dead Guy. You

3154
02:28:48,440 --> 02:28:51,120
know this is it's sort of crustier, you know, it's

3155
02:28:51,159 --> 02:28:54,799
a less high tech definition sort of incarnation of that

3156
02:28:54,879 --> 02:28:57,280
kind of thing. But riffs like the start of the

3157
02:28:57,360 --> 02:29:01,639
Forever People just absolutely like clatter around that should hit

3158
02:29:01,799 --> 02:29:03,760
right to a certain kind of pleasure spot that we

3159
02:29:03,799 --> 02:29:05,920
all have as appreciate as of that kind of type

3160
02:29:05,959 --> 02:29:08,520
of music, and the vitriol in them is still like

3161
02:29:08,639 --> 02:29:08,959
up there.

3162
02:29:09,079 --> 02:29:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3163
02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:12,440
Speaker 3: I mean one of the bands, particularly in metalcore, and

3164
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:16,079
maybe surprising it's not present Moore Is who get name

3165
02:29:16,159 --> 02:29:18,360
checks a lot, but a lot, but you quite rarely

3166
02:29:18,440 --> 02:29:21,200
actually hear their sound in the sound of other bands.

3167
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:24,840
I think it's Black Flag, where yeah, everyone says on

3168
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:27,319
much they love Black Flag, and rightly so, not that

3169
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:31,280
many bands actually emulate that sound. There is so much

3170
02:29:31,879 --> 02:29:32,479
Black Flag.

3171
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:34,639
Speaker 2: They actually covered Black Flag when we saw the damation.

3172
02:29:35,399 --> 02:29:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Black Flag always at my favorite off the sort

3173
02:29:39,239 --> 02:29:40,879
of that school of hard comme as unless we count

3174
02:29:40,959 --> 02:29:43,760
Dead Kennedy's which is its own thing discussion for another time,

3175
02:29:44,319 --> 02:29:48,440
and hearing that arguably more present on this record than

3176
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:51,079
it is on the first one, it just feels like

3177
02:29:51,159 --> 02:29:53,959
the right thing for this band of this sort of vintage,

3178
02:29:54,239 --> 02:29:56,680
like the spoken word part at the end of barn Burner,

3179
02:29:56,959 --> 02:29:58,719
you can tell that's a man who listens to family

3180
02:29:58,799 --> 02:30:04,680
man like his knack for like intense paranoid lines is

3181
02:30:05,399 --> 02:30:07,639
perhaps only one everyone is like, you know, get your

3182
02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:09,760
eyes off my back on Fixation of a coworker. The

3183
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:12,040
one on this rock that stands out is on kill

3184
02:30:12,120 --> 02:30:14,440
Fee when he's sort ofthing like that, like that just hiss,

3185
02:30:14,520 --> 02:30:17,760
like what's so funny? Like that to me like so early,

3186
02:30:17,799 --> 02:30:20,959
and was like, Okay, this Tim's still got it, like

3187
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:22,680
there's no doubts about him having lost it.

3188
02:30:23,280 --> 02:30:24,959
Speaker 2: I like the end of barn Burner with that I've

3189
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:29,159
been drinking too much kool aid. I've been thinking that

3190
02:30:29,319 --> 02:30:30,559
I've been drinking and it.

3191
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:34,040
Speaker 1: Is that like, you know, sort of simmering white collar

3192
02:30:34,159 --> 02:30:36,319
road rage that there was on like Fixation a coworker,

3193
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:39,760
but again the wonderfully named Tim Singer. You know, when

3194
02:30:39,799 --> 02:30:42,600
I think about dead Guy and their position in this

3195
02:30:42,680 --> 02:30:45,280
sort of metallic discord and hardcore landscape, I do think

3196
02:30:45,319 --> 02:30:49,079
about those like black Flag esque like just rants and

3197
02:30:49,239 --> 02:30:52,280
tirade turned into like hardcore mush.

3198
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:55,719
Speaker 2: But I can't go home to a burning building, new

3199
02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:56,239
best friend.

3200
02:30:56,520 --> 02:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe my favorite one that just feels

3201
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:01,719
like the genuinely angriest screaming, like his head is going

3202
02:31:01,799 --> 02:31:04,920
to explode in the Forever people when he leans give

3203
02:31:04,959 --> 02:31:08,479
me a match, like the pic Your Gods Pick Your Side,

3204
02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:11,319
and like escalating that part into the no More Gods,

3205
02:31:11,639 --> 02:31:14,239
No More God tracks, and his voice is like hitting

3206
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:19,879
a crack of just like pure yelling anger is great.

3207
02:31:20,639 --> 02:31:22,399
And like, you know, this is produced by Steve Everatt,

3208
02:31:22,440 --> 02:31:24,280
so you may more recently know from like the Wonder

3209
02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:26,079
he Is or like the Dinner Just Skateeplane for example,

3210
02:31:26,159 --> 02:31:27,680
But like he's the same guy who back in the

3211
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:30,319
day recorded Fixation on a coworker, and everything about this

3212
02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:32,760
just feels like it's the same team thirty years later.

3213
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:35,879
Just it It sounds like the Dead Guy documentary Looks,

3214
02:31:36,280 --> 02:31:40,000
which is just grizzled hardcore dudes picking their back up

3215
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,000
and plugging back in, and I think that's basically the

3216
02:31:42,040 --> 02:31:44,959
best possible sort of outcome. I really like them on

3217
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:49,440
barn Burner, adopting almost like a crossover thrash feel sounds

3218
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:52,040
like like early corrosional conformity or something about through like

3219
02:31:52,079 --> 02:31:54,120
a Dead Guy filter, and I just I can imagine

3220
02:31:54,159 --> 02:31:56,399
like the guys in like Municipal Waste listening to this

3221
02:31:56,520 --> 02:31:58,440
record and being like, Ah, that track, you know, that's

3222
02:31:58,520 --> 02:32:00,879
that's sick. It's just that kind of vibe. And then

3223
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:02,680
maybe this sort of black flag thing as well. But

3224
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:05,000
in War with Strangers, something that you also don't hear

3225
02:32:05,079 --> 02:32:07,680
in lots of like latest styles of hardcore is some

3226
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:12,239
sabbath right, like some doomy dirge like blue swing, and

3227
02:32:12,280 --> 02:32:14,239
that's again a really great foundation for Tim to just

3228
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:18,239
launch on one of those like rages. Wax Princess at

3229
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:20,360
the end has got this bit of like outlaw sort

3230
02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:22,159
of skip to it almost in a way that again

3231
02:32:22,239 --> 02:32:23,520
reminds me of some of the stuff that we're talking

3232
02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:26,040
about on versions from Poison the Well, and I'm pretty

3233
02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:28,840
sure there's like some like castanets or something in there

3234
02:32:28,840 --> 02:32:31,639
before just going out on like two minutes of straight

3235
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:34,799
riff to end the record, and obviously, like you know,

3236
02:32:34,920 --> 02:32:37,200
this sort of music, like we're saying, since Dead Guy

3237
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:41,760
has become a lot more elaborate in terms of like

3238
02:32:41,879 --> 02:32:48,040
if you are accustomed to post dylinger bands making wild

3239
02:32:48,200 --> 02:32:51,879
fucking musical swings second to second, and you're going like,

3240
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:54,399
where's the jazz part, where's the melodic break or whatever?

3241
02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:57,399
Those aren't here. This is pretty much like the pure

3242
02:32:58,120 --> 02:33:04,120
gutsy roots of likening rhythms and oddball scrunky riffs and

3243
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:05,559
stuff like that. And like, I mean, I don't know

3244
02:33:05,559 --> 02:33:07,879
if I would be wanting Dead Guy to come back

3245
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:11,360
and start doing like singing choruses or start playing with

3246
02:33:11,399 --> 02:33:15,760
electronics or whatever. I think this record is fundamentally not revolutionary, right,

3247
02:33:15,799 --> 02:33:18,239
But if you are looking kind of the stuff that

3248
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,479
is maybe more genre playful and unpredictable in the style

3249
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:22,680
of music, this is more again like the roots of

3250
02:33:22,799 --> 02:33:24,639
it not. So they don't play with texture either, right,

3251
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:27,200
because there is stuff like the long search for perfect Timing,

3252
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:28,959
which has kind of room for like a bit of

3253
02:33:29,040 --> 02:33:31,200
ambience and that sort of catch your breath atmosphere. So

3254
02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:33,239
don't get it confused for a sick of it all

3255
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:33,719
record either.

3256
02:33:33,719 --> 02:33:36,600
Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I think that that's

3257
02:33:36,600 --> 02:33:38,319
it is. You know, you get like the Alarms, which

3258
02:33:38,360 --> 02:33:40,920
has like build and release of tension, and there is

3259
02:33:41,040 --> 02:33:44,319
still like kind of interesting deviation. It's not you know,

3260
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:48,079
one note and basically is just going back to sort

3261
02:33:48,079 --> 02:33:50,920
of the roots of something that would become super advanced

3262
02:33:51,479 --> 02:33:53,120
and then just kind of like getting to have fun

3263
02:33:53,159 --> 02:33:54,639
doing it again. And I think that that there's just

3264
02:33:54,719 --> 02:33:58,040
that there's just this undeniable charm in that regard. Yeah,

3265
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:00,799
you know, is this a game change hardcore released?

3266
02:34:00,879 --> 02:34:00,920
Speaker 3: Not?

3267
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:01,239
Speaker 2: Really?

3268
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Is this as good as fixation on a coworker? Hard

3269
02:34:04,959 --> 02:34:07,159
to compare when something has proven itself so, you know,

3270
02:34:07,399 --> 02:34:10,520
timelessly furious and has helped to rewrite a whole subgenre.

3271
02:34:10,920 --> 02:34:12,440
It's going to be impossible really for this to kind

3272
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:15,399
of garner the same legend. But Dead Guy, a band

3273
02:34:15,479 --> 02:34:18,959
you'd never assume would make a second record, have done

3274
02:34:19,000 --> 02:34:23,079
so after thirty years, and it sounds really authentically them

3275
02:34:23,239 --> 02:34:25,239
and die hard fans are likely to get a great

3276
02:34:25,319 --> 02:34:25,760
kick at it.

3277
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:29,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's maybe the luxury of being a

3278
02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:32,079
second record, as you'll come back where it's like you

3279
02:34:32,120 --> 02:34:33,479
could do the same thing again if you want to,

3280
02:34:33,639 --> 02:34:35,799
you do something different. You kind of leave you with

3281
02:34:35,959 --> 02:34:37,879
not knowing what to expect. People need to expect there

3282
02:34:37,959 --> 02:34:40,360
to be a second record in the first place, another

3283
02:34:40,440 --> 02:34:42,799
batch of songs in that style, which as much as

3284
02:34:42,799 --> 02:34:45,520
they did revolutionize metalcore and comes and to find it,

3285
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:48,319
no one quite sounds like Dead Guy, you know, for

3286
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:51,479
all the reasons we've laid out in this review, and

3287
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:53,879
just to have another set of songs in that style,

3288
02:34:54,520 --> 02:34:57,559
in that mold you, it's impossible not to be happy

3289
02:34:57,600 --> 02:34:57,760
with that.

3290
02:34:58,440 --> 02:35:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are two albums together, how announced for

3291
02:35:00,520 --> 02:35:04,159
about sixty seven minutes or something. So the first Dead

3292
02:35:04,200 --> 02:35:07,200
Guy album in thirty years. If you have any interest

3293
02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:12,079
in metallic hardcore or the associated genres, just out of respect,

3294
02:35:12,239 --> 02:35:14,680
really you owe it to yourself to you know, give

3295
02:35:14,799 --> 02:35:16,520
and to them to give this record a listen. It

3296
02:35:16,600 --> 02:35:18,639
helps that it's really really good as well. So the

3297
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:23,479
new Dead Guy album of all things, Near Death Travel Services. Finally,

3298
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:27,399
our last album we found something unrelated to hardcore to

3299
02:35:27,559 --> 02:35:29,639
review this month. It's just how it turned out this

3300
02:35:29,719 --> 02:35:31,840
month for some reason, and it makes it the most

3301
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:35,719
hilarious of sore thumbs. This month. We are leaping so

3302
02:35:36,280 --> 02:35:38,920
amazingly far away from like two Hours of Marsh or

3303
02:35:38,920 --> 02:35:42,159
whatever we've just done. Even in regards to the weather,

3304
02:35:42,319 --> 02:35:46,239
it's out of place, but here we are. Hex Vessel

3305
02:35:46,639 --> 02:35:50,600
is our final album discussion today. It's called Nocturn. This

3306
02:35:50,719 --> 02:35:52,600
is a project that has a bit of its own

3307
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:55,479
history that might need going over, but generally. This is

3308
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,200
the follow up to Hex Vessel's twenty twenty three album

3309
02:35:58,319 --> 02:36:01,280
Polar Veil. Hex Vessel to Behind You is the project

3310
02:36:01,319 --> 02:36:04,399
of Matt McNerney, one of the most prolific and varied

3311
02:36:04,520 --> 02:36:06,959
artists of the last twenty five years. You may know

3312
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:09,639
him as the frontman of the post punk band's Grave

3313
02:36:09,719 --> 02:36:13,200
Pleasures and Beast Milk. That little combined catalog there alone

3314
02:36:13,319 --> 02:36:15,879
represents one of my personal favorites of the twenty first century.

3315
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:18,680
In black metal. He has sung for the likes of

3316
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:22,479
Code and Void and DoD Heims Guard and The Death Trip.

3317
02:36:22,799 --> 02:36:26,600
Hex Vessel started off as his sort of psychedelic folk project,

3318
02:36:26,719 --> 02:36:29,159
like away from what he was doing in more overtly

3319
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:32,319
metallic music, although it did begin to incorporate elements of

3320
02:36:32,920 --> 02:36:36,280
prog and psych rock and other styles. Elliott, I think we,

3321
02:36:36,399 --> 02:36:38,760
you know, we maybe had like different entry points or

3322
02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:42,079
whatever with hext Vessel over the years, but because you know,

3323
02:36:42,280 --> 02:36:44,479
their catalog is so varied, But we have both been,

3324
02:36:44,559 --> 02:36:46,840
you know, fans of some of that earlier Hex Vessel.

3325
02:36:46,680 --> 02:36:47,239
Speaker 2: Stuff, haven't we.

3326
02:36:47,959 --> 02:36:50,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think I got in on No Holier

3327
02:36:50,079 --> 02:36:51,719
Temple was the one I came in on, and I

3328
02:36:51,879 --> 02:36:55,280
was just obsessed with our record, and it opened up

3329
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:58,239
all sorts of things like Comus and Pentangle and sort

3330
02:36:58,239 --> 02:37:01,040
of sixties psychedelic folk thing like that. I would I

3331
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:03,120
wouldn't have known about that world if it wasn't for

3332
02:37:03,319 --> 02:37:06,639
the instruction through Hex Vessel. And they are a band

3333
02:37:06,680 --> 02:37:08,360
who as much as I like the faults of that record,

3334
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:11,360
I kind of for my fault or theirs, I'm not sure,

3335
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:13,959
probably Matt mine. I kind of didn't follow for a while,

3336
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,680
and then only a few years ago I kind of

3337
02:37:15,719 --> 02:37:18,319
got reinvested again. And are we on like the fourth

3338
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:21,120
Hex Vessel record in six years or something mental now

3339
02:37:21,319 --> 02:37:22,799
like that just seems they.

3340
02:37:22,719 --> 02:37:23,319
Speaker 2: Have been prolific.

3341
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:26,079
Speaker 1: They've been the most prolific of Matt's various projects, and

3342
02:37:26,280 --> 02:37:28,319
he does a lot done me and I guess you

3343
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:30,920
know that the latest of that in this particular canon

3344
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,879
is in twenty twenty three, less than two years ago,

3345
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:37,040
we got an album called polar Veil, which represented a

3346
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:39,120
real shakeup for Hex' Vessel because it's a band that

3347
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:43,040
was already prone to you know, transformations somewhat. But when

3348
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:47,520
this you know, psychedelic folk generally not that sonically heavy

3349
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:51,680
project started to make black metal music. It felt very

3350
02:37:51,719 --> 02:37:55,079
novel and very fresh, not least because it's not really

3351
02:37:55,159 --> 02:37:57,280
a typical kind of black metal that sounds like just

3352
02:37:57,360 --> 02:38:00,559
something another band was playing. It's very atmosphe eric. Still,

3353
02:38:00,600 --> 02:38:03,360
it's quite primal and sort of stripped back in its

3354
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:05,440
musicality in a way that you could like an in

3355
02:38:05,559 --> 02:38:08,760
vibe to particularly the more sort of like slow paced,

3356
02:38:08,799 --> 02:38:13,040
ambient leaning side of the Norwegian scene. But for one thing,

3357
02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:16,000
Matt was still basically entirely singing on it instead of

3358
02:38:16,159 --> 02:38:19,840
utilizing more black metal screen And it was remarkable how

3359
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,639
much Hex Vessel DNA of the kinds of songs and

3360
02:38:24,920 --> 02:38:28,719
moods and texts this band has explored translated over that

3361
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:31,840
and it was a really phenomenal uh and a piece

3362
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:34,319
of evidence, I guess, of the kind of kinship that

3363
02:38:34,479 --> 02:38:37,239
exists between those worlds of like folk music and of

3364
02:38:37,360 --> 02:38:40,680
black metal, that a band like Hex Vessel could swim

3365
02:38:41,239 --> 02:38:44,760
so convincingly between them, and like nothing really lost in translation,

3366
02:38:44,879 --> 02:38:47,600
despite the entire like makeup of the band basically changing.

3367
02:38:48,159 --> 02:38:51,920
I think that record is absolutely fantastic. It's so unique

3368
02:38:52,040 --> 02:38:57,399
and identifiable, but equally a really pure encapsulation of the

3369
02:38:57,479 --> 02:39:00,319
kind of feeling that I love in these sort of terrains. Again,

3370
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:02,319
we've gone from that. We've been in the SAM zone

3371
02:39:02,360 --> 02:39:03,959
for a long time these records. We're now very much

3372
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:06,440
in the me zone with this. But you guys think

3373
02:39:06,440 --> 02:39:09,920
your work. We're decently positive about that last record, Hex

3374
02:39:10,040 --> 02:39:11,799
fs polar Ail that we reviewed as well.

3375
02:39:12,200 --> 02:39:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I actually liked that record

3376
02:39:14,760 --> 02:39:16,680
a lot more now a couple of years later. I

3377
02:39:17,000 --> 02:39:18,559
remember at the time thinking it was really good. I

3378
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:20,639
don't think it landed in my top twenty of the year.

3379
02:39:20,760 --> 02:39:21,600
Speaker 2: I have to go check.

3380
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:26,600
Speaker 3: But in the last few months, maybe last year, I've

3381
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:28,239
gone back to that record more and more, and now

3382
02:39:28,280 --> 02:39:32,120
I would probably say it's my second or third favorite

3383
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:35,559
Hex Fessel record. I'm really taken with it, and I

3384
02:39:35,639 --> 02:39:39,079
wasn't expecting another one quite so quickly, Like I didn't

3385
02:39:39,079 --> 02:39:40,920
know a new album was coming. And I haven't yet

3386
02:39:41,159 --> 02:39:42,719
exhausted Polar l because it took me a while to

3387
02:39:42,799 --> 02:39:46,360
really crack it. So it feels like seconds of a

3388
02:39:46,440 --> 02:39:49,399
delicious meal have just come along without me asking for it,

3389
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:52,319
but you know, not gonna turn it away.

3390
02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, obviously, I discribed Hex Vessel

3391
02:39:55,479 --> 02:39:57,239
seeing them live, knowing nothing about them and being a

3392
02:39:57,319 --> 02:40:00,239
bit like it's a bit too with the tree and

3393
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:04,000
the forests for me, and then Prola Vail when they

3394
02:40:04,079 --> 02:40:06,040
kind of incorporate more of the black metal stuff within that,

3395
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:08,760
I found it a lot more. I haven't gone back

3396
02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:11,719
to that record, I'll be honest for a good while, like,

3397
02:40:11,879 --> 02:40:15,479
and I probably should revisit that because I record liking it.

3398
02:40:15,520 --> 02:40:17,440
And then when I was like, this is clear a

3399
02:40:17,479 --> 02:40:19,680
companion piece me and they've just like color swapped the

3400
02:40:19,719 --> 02:40:23,319
album R and then there's there's slight changes to it,

3401
02:40:23,399 --> 02:40:25,559
I know, but it's a clear follow on, I was

3402
02:40:25,639 --> 02:40:27,520
kind of like, Okay, I should go back to having

3403
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:30,360
a chances yet, But yeah, this kind of like more

3404
02:40:30,680 --> 02:40:33,120
black metal kind of version of Hexes's with that kind

3405
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:35,920
of like folks stuff into timed a bit is actually

3406
02:40:36,879 --> 02:40:40,319
really immersive and kind of in chancing and listen, and

3407
02:40:41,000 --> 02:40:43,799
I'm so down for this second album it maybe even

3408
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:45,680
more so. Maybe it's just because warmed to it, but

3409
02:40:46,639 --> 02:40:48,760
I think this album is pretty fucking great.

3410
02:40:48,920 --> 02:40:51,200
Speaker 1: Well, here's additional context about this album. Because I did

3411
02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:54,200
know there was more music coming Nocturn. Sam was already

3412
02:40:54,200 --> 02:40:56,719
pointed out mirroring cover art to Polar al so we're

3413
02:40:56,799 --> 02:40:59,000
very much in that world still, but there is.

3414
02:40:59,000 --> 02:40:59,440
Speaker 2: More to this.

3415
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:03,079
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, Matt was asked to do one

3416
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:07,799
of those commissioned pieces for Roeburn Festival. So so other

3417
02:41:07,879 --> 02:41:10,399
examples of records that have like you know, originated from

3418
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:13,440
such a thing performed at Roeburn include Final Light, The

3419
02:41:13,520 --> 02:41:17,120
Perturbator Johannahs from Cotton Luna Collaboration record. There was the

3420
02:41:17,639 --> 02:41:21,040
completion of the The Tryptocon Orchestral Requiem, which was released

3421
02:41:21,079 --> 02:41:23,159
as a live recording. This was one of those Right

3422
02:41:23,239 --> 02:41:26,319
and Matt and a basically expanded version of the Hex

3423
02:41:26,440 --> 02:41:30,680
Vessel lineup that also included editions like Alexei Kiskolar, who

3424
02:41:30,719 --> 02:41:32,840
was one of the guitarists in Grave Pleasures. There was

3425
02:41:32,879 --> 02:41:35,719
the addition of a female vocalist, Sarah from a doom

3426
02:41:35,799 --> 02:41:38,639
band called Sapata. There were guest appearances from the likes

3427
02:41:38,680 --> 02:41:40,760
of Vi Kopnick from Don Hinzguard, who again Matt had

3428
02:41:40,760 --> 02:41:42,600
been in in the past. It just sounded like a

3429
02:41:42,639 --> 02:41:45,440
bit of a mad like Hech's Vessel, plus with all

3430
02:41:45,440 --> 02:41:47,479
of these sort of faces maybe from other parts of

3431
02:41:47,559 --> 02:41:49,799
like Matt's you know, musical past and catalog as well

3432
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:52,040
sort of making themselves known. One of my friends was

3433
02:41:52,079 --> 02:41:54,559
at the performance and he told me how cool it was. Obviously,

3434
02:41:54,559 --> 02:41:56,079
as a fan of all of those things, I was.

3435
02:41:56,120 --> 02:41:59,440
I was really interested to hear this, and my main

3436
02:41:59,479 --> 02:42:00,959
hope really I just like I hope that a live

3437
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:03,600
recording of that show would emerge, like the Trip to

3438
02:42:03,639 --> 02:42:06,319
con One did. What actually then happened is they've gone

3439
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:08,639
into the studio and recorded it and put it down

3440
02:42:08,680 --> 02:42:11,319
to tape as an actual album, and the record the

3441
02:42:11,440 --> 02:42:15,000
Roadburn recording is available as like a bonus on certain versions.

3442
02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:17,200
But what we have here in Nocturn is you know,

3443
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:19,479
both the next text Vessel album and the next step

3444
02:42:19,559 --> 02:42:23,239
on from Polar Veil, but also a studio realization of that,

3445
02:42:23,399 --> 02:42:27,239
like quite elaborate, expanded hex vessel version of what was

3446
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:30,399
created for the Roadburn set. So for all of these reasons,

3447
02:42:30,799 --> 02:42:32,680
this was like one of the albums I was most

3448
02:42:32,719 --> 02:42:35,760
anticipating this year and like most wanting to hear. And

3449
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:39,760
it is obviously, you know, relatable to polar Ail. I

3450
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:42,040
also think it is different to polar Ail in some

3451
02:42:42,159 --> 02:42:45,799
quite interesting ways despite living in the same musical you

3452
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:47,920
know world, Because as you would imagine from kind of

3453
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:51,040
its makeup. There's a lot of like added detail that

3454
02:42:51,159 --> 02:42:53,040
comes from all these extra elements that are in there,

3455
02:42:53,239 --> 02:42:55,680
and so you know, getting to grips with those things

3456
02:42:55,760 --> 02:42:57,799
has been the most prominent thing in my sort of

3457
02:42:58,040 --> 02:43:01,079
musical mind over the past couple of weeks, aside from

3458
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:03,239
the fact that this record has no business being released

3459
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:06,840
in the month of June when we are literally sweating, this.

3460
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:08,959
Speaker 2: Is a record that I get.

3461
02:43:09,000 --> 02:43:11,959
Speaker 1: I think this record seeps in maybe more than it

3462
02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:15,920
instantaneously shows you everything it has to offer. But Sam,

3463
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,840
you said, you know, impressions of this are pretty positive.

3464
02:43:19,399 --> 02:43:21,959
Speaker 2: I might be misremembering, but this feels like the most

3465
02:43:22,239 --> 02:43:24,799
metallic X vessel. There is a lot like the Black

3466
02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:27,799
Male feels even more ruped. It is heavy. He's still

3467
02:43:27,840 --> 02:43:29,680
doing the kind of like clean vocals, but you know,

3468
02:43:30,280 --> 02:43:33,959
dark and graceful. Willness has like nasty stabbing guitars, and

3469
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:38,239
there's kind of like harsher textures on this that I like. Again,

3470
02:43:38,600 --> 02:43:40,280
I remember recording from the last album were there, but

3471
02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:42,680
it feels I don't know if it's more present of

3472
02:43:42,760 --> 02:43:46,600
it just feels bigger and more kind of like it's explosive,

3473
02:43:46,639 --> 02:43:49,719
but just like attention grabbing and again there's still loads

3474
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:52,120
of texture, but I just I found myself, you know,

3475
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:55,479
almost immediately taken in where you had this like moody

3476
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:59,520
intro and then as it, Sapphires just blast you with

3477
02:43:59,639 --> 02:44:03,879
like real, like intense, like kind of very classic bit

3478
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:06,399
of black metal. It's really cool, just the way to

3479
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:07,040
start the record.

3480
02:44:07,639 --> 02:44:13,639
Speaker 3: I think this is probably the most explicitly sinister hex

3481
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:15,760
festal record. I think they've got alms which I find

3482
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:18,520
more haunting or kind of creepy like No Holier Temple

3483
02:44:18,559 --> 02:44:21,000
as much as it's you know, it's kind of like

3484
02:44:21,040 --> 02:44:24,040
a Shamannic quality, which depending on the mood during either

3485
02:44:24,079 --> 02:44:28,879
comes across as quite inviting or quite frightening. But the

3486
02:44:28,959 --> 02:44:31,399
black metal on this is so out and out where

3487
02:44:31,719 --> 02:44:33,200
normally the first person that comes to mind I put

3488
02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:34,920
on a Hexfstal record, I think like, ah, this sounds

3489
02:44:34,959 --> 02:44:39,000
like comus or like can or you know, even the

3490
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:41,600
doors in moments and their stuff. And then when the

3491
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:44,559
main riff on Sapphire Zephyr's came in, I just thought

3492
02:44:44,639 --> 02:44:49,479
it pantofaust like full fucking like mid nineties dark Throne,

3493
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:53,079
and it's beautiful, Like I love hearing this band playing

3494
02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:54,639
that style, and it's exactly that thing you were saying.

3495
02:44:54,680 --> 02:44:57,440
Point where I remember when it kind of came up

3496
02:44:57,479 --> 02:44:58,959
the x vest we're going to go black metal on

3497
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:01,719
their last rec and I thought, Matt mcnudy seems like

3498
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:03,520
the kind of guy who would start a different band

3499
02:45:03,879 --> 02:45:06,559
to accommodate that, Like he wouldn't feel the need to

3500
02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:10,000
more on that later it will and so I And

3501
02:45:10,159 --> 02:45:12,639
yet it made total sense when I heard, oh, there

3502
02:45:12,719 --> 02:45:14,879
still feels like a Hex's Ssel record. This one kind

3503
02:45:14,920 --> 02:45:18,719
of pushes the envelope even further where it's not necessarily

3504
02:45:18,879 --> 02:45:22,719
more like metally, but it's a bit nastier. The metal

3505
02:45:22,760 --> 02:45:25,360
that's there is just a bit more frost bits and

3506
02:45:25,440 --> 02:45:28,360
a bit more kind of razor edge.

3507
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:31,319
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think if there's a key different,

3508
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:32,920
I think, you know, you're not wrong, And I would

3509
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:35,000
certainly say that. One of the things that first took

3510
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:38,719
me aback is when Sapphire Zeph's kicks in, Matt actually

3511
02:45:38,799 --> 02:45:40,760
lets out one of his old black metal screams, right

3512
02:45:40,879 --> 02:45:43,559
because even with the last record of basically being a

3513
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:46,479
black metal record, there wasn't any of that really and

3514
02:45:46,559 --> 02:45:49,360
this actually has like you know that the harshest element,

3515
02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:52,559
arguably for some people of black metal that was so

3516
02:45:52,799 --> 02:45:55,239
far left out of Hex Vessel has now been brought

3517
02:45:55,280 --> 02:45:57,840
in with It's still mostly singing, but there is now

3518
02:45:57,879 --> 02:46:00,159
actually a scream here or there on this record. But

3519
02:46:00,239 --> 02:46:01,879
I think if there's a key difference in how I've

3520
02:46:01,879 --> 02:46:04,399
sort of engaged with this two polar Ail, it comes

3521
02:46:04,440 --> 02:46:06,840
again from the sort of expanded setup and its origin

3522
02:46:06,920 --> 02:46:09,440
story is like a big you know, X fetal orchestra

3523
02:46:09,639 --> 02:46:13,040
roburn piece. Polar Ail is much more simple than this album,

3524
02:46:13,239 --> 02:46:16,000
and I think in part that's that album's strength, because

3525
02:46:16,040 --> 02:46:20,520
it's really like a bone cold, skeletal kind of experience,

3526
02:46:20,799 --> 02:46:25,879
and that real, primal, timeless purity of it really speaks

3527
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:27,239
to me and kind of connected with me in a

3528
02:46:27,280 --> 02:46:30,079
way that despite it having this like totally different, nuanced

3529
02:46:30,159 --> 02:46:33,040
vocal approach, really reminded me of like the classic of

3530
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:35,479
nineties black metal and how they do that. This album

3531
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:39,399
is like the more sophisticated kind of you know, flip

3532
02:46:39,479 --> 02:46:42,520
side or expansion of it. It's much more delicately wound.

3533
02:46:42,799 --> 02:46:46,120
There are undoubtedly more layers, and I think as a result,

3534
02:46:46,159 --> 02:46:50,360
I found this like less immediate than polar Veil, but

3535
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:53,959
despite the fact there are those again slightly more intense

3536
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:58,200
elements like you're saying, Sam, but one that kind of

3537
02:46:58,239 --> 02:47:02,479
the Again, the delicacy of the craftsmanship that have gone

3538
02:47:02,520 --> 02:47:05,120
into like arranging and then performing and then getting it

3539
02:47:05,159 --> 02:47:08,639
down on tape on this record have really been so

3540
02:47:08,799 --> 02:47:13,079
gratifying to like peel back. And it's still like, even

3541
02:47:13,159 --> 02:47:15,040
as it now includes some screams and has some more

3542
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:18,200
like other elements and stuff and other you know, guests

3543
02:47:18,200 --> 02:47:20,120
who appear and that kind of thing, it's still like

3544
02:47:20,600 --> 02:47:23,559
a kind of black metal that you can't trade in

3545
02:47:23,680 --> 02:47:25,840
for any other black metal record that we could cover

3546
02:47:25,959 --> 02:47:29,120
this year, right, because it's this strange combination of like

3547
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:34,159
an English folk singer living in the Finnish woods doing

3548
02:47:34,239 --> 02:47:36,319
it over Nordic black metal.

3549
02:47:36,600 --> 02:47:36,719
Speaker 2: Right.

3550
02:47:36,879 --> 02:47:40,959
Speaker 1: It's really odd and kind of very distinct, and it

3551
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:43,479
has again the first track is like this just wonderful

3552
02:47:43,520 --> 02:47:45,600
piano opening on the record, which again even that is

3553
02:47:45,639 --> 02:47:47,680
like beyond polar Veil because that was just very almost

3554
02:47:47,719 --> 02:47:50,120
like four piece guitar lad you know thing the whole time,

3555
02:47:50,120 --> 02:47:51,920
and now this has like, oh, you know, we're starting

3556
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:56,280
with this gorgeous sort of grand piano type sound and

3557
02:47:56,440 --> 02:47:59,520
when Matt comes in with the clean singing. He's accompanied

3558
02:47:59,559 --> 02:48:02,559
by the the backing vocalist, right, and they're sort of

3559
02:48:02,639 --> 02:48:05,239
like intertwining and harmonizing that those two do on a

3560
02:48:05,280 --> 02:48:08,440
lot of this record is like even more spectral somehow,

3561
02:48:08,840 --> 02:48:10,760
and maybe a bit more a bit more kind of

3562
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:16,600
uncanny and ghostly than what was already quite spooky on

3563
02:48:16,920 --> 02:48:19,319
you know, polar Veil, and the ending of that song

3564
02:48:19,440 --> 02:48:21,600
is really fucking heavy. I do think like the guitar riffs,

3565
02:48:21,639 --> 02:48:25,079
they still carry that very timeless primitivism of nineties, but

3566
02:48:25,239 --> 02:48:28,000
like you know, you mentioned dart Throne, that sort of

3567
02:48:28,239 --> 02:48:31,399
primitivism that the last record had and that still very

3568
02:48:31,479 --> 02:48:33,600
much like connects with me. They just have a lot

3569
02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:36,200
more accompaniments, right, and like a more additional element, so

3570
02:48:36,680 --> 02:48:40,280
the pianos. There's lots of acoustic guitars across this record

3571
02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:43,040
that really draw back the kind of like Hex' vessel

3572
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:44,600
of old, and there's a lot of this record that

3573
02:48:44,639 --> 02:48:48,959
almost feels like the original Hex Vessel template looping back

3574
02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:51,799
in on top of this like newer black Betal direction.

3575
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:54,719
It's just there's a lot of like really nuanced, quite nerdy.

3576
02:48:54,760 --> 02:48:56,760
If you've like followed the whole catalog to this way

3577
02:48:58,200 --> 02:49:01,600
elements like that that are like really like and really gratifying.

3578
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:04,760
Speaker 2: To hear when the when you get to that kind

3579
02:49:04,760 --> 02:49:07,319
of like about four minutes or so, when you get

3580
02:49:07,360 --> 02:49:11,079
that fully acoustic sort of folk passage coming for a

3581
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:13,040
little while, and that is kind of like they are

3582
02:49:13,159 --> 02:49:15,399
incredible at atmosphere. I think that that is that is

3583
02:49:15,479 --> 02:49:17,120
like my immediate sort taper from the summary is like

3584
02:49:17,120 --> 02:49:19,159
the atmosphere of it. You get this sort of stab

3585
02:49:19,239 --> 02:49:21,680
of feedback which pierces that tranquility, and it feels kind

3586
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:24,200
of like the sort of the night taking over and

3587
02:49:24,440 --> 02:49:28,159
you're kind of in this like pitch black like thirty

3588
02:49:28,280 --> 02:49:32,719
Days of Night style endless winter of like you're you're

3589
02:49:32,799 --> 02:49:36,559
kind of trapped in this like really bleak world for

3590
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:39,239
like however long, and it kind of loves down to

3591
02:49:39,399 --> 02:49:41,120
like like romping here to the end. The ending of

3592
02:49:41,159 --> 02:49:43,360
the album feels like you've come out of the other side,

3593
02:49:43,440 --> 02:49:45,639
dawn has broken and like the sun is there.

3594
02:49:46,639 --> 02:49:49,360
Speaker 3: I think like the thing about classic black metal and

3595
02:49:49,479 --> 02:49:54,000
that primitive, bare bones sort of self contained quality to

3596
02:49:54,079 --> 02:49:58,079
it which makes it sound so timeless, is it's I've

3597
02:49:58,079 --> 02:49:59,879
thought that's before, but it's a similar thing to good

3598
02:50:00,040 --> 02:50:02,280
folk music where it feels like it kind of always

3599
02:50:02,319 --> 02:50:04,959
existed even though we were not. As someone says, nineties

3600
02:50:04,959 --> 02:50:07,239
black moil, you know what that means, but also means

3601
02:50:07,239 --> 02:50:08,959
that when you listen to those records, you don't go, like, ah,

3602
02:50:09,040 --> 02:50:11,600
the nineties because it kind of sounds eternal in a way.

3603
02:50:12,200 --> 02:50:15,399
And I think Polar Veil had that more for the

3604
02:50:15,440 --> 02:50:16,959
reasons you were saying proud about it being kind of

3605
02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:20,760
more cold to the bones, basic skeletal as far as

3606
02:50:20,760 --> 02:50:23,559
a black belt record. This one touching on that thing

3607
02:50:23,559 --> 02:50:26,040
you said about like the nerdy references whatever, because they've

3608
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:28,520
put more stuff on it. It's more opportunity to go, oh,

3609
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:30,200
that sounds like that, and that sounds like that. And

3610
02:50:30,440 --> 02:50:33,120
here they've combined those two things, which might make it

3611
02:50:33,280 --> 02:50:38,600
feel less. It's possibly less evocative than Polar Veil is

3612
02:50:38,639 --> 02:50:41,360
as a record, or it feels less, you know, hone

3613
02:50:41,440 --> 02:50:46,799
to a specific atmospheric intent or whatever. But I just

3614
02:50:46,879 --> 02:50:49,639
had so much funel listening to this, and like Sapphire

3615
02:50:49,719 --> 02:50:52,600
Zephyr's first half is all dark Throne, and then it

3616
02:50:52,680 --> 02:50:55,120
switched into it that sounds like Current ninety three, who

3617
02:50:55,239 --> 02:50:59,239
are just as capable of like terror and anxiety and

3618
02:51:00,079 --> 02:51:02,760
sort of blizzardy stress as any black metal band, but

3619
02:51:02,840 --> 02:51:06,280
it's a neo folk band, a dark and gracil willness

3620
02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:08,159
that riff would not sound out of place on like

3621
02:51:08,239 --> 02:51:12,680
a Pasage Diva record. But then it got it combines

3622
02:51:12,760 --> 02:51:14,799
that with like Stephen Wilson, so you get this cool

3623
02:51:14,879 --> 02:51:18,360
combo of the sort of turn of the eighties into

3624
02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:25,479
the nineties progressive rock with the most blizzard blizzardess oppressive

3625
02:51:26,559 --> 02:51:27,520
classic black metal.

3626
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:31,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a dark and gracial wilderness. You know, he's

3627
02:51:31,399 --> 02:51:34,639
hailing forests, he's hailing mountains on it, but that has

3628
02:51:34,719 --> 02:51:38,760
this rift which is like, despite its black metally frigidness,

3629
02:51:38,760 --> 02:51:40,799
it's just so like soothing and pretty to me, and

3630
02:51:40,840 --> 02:51:42,239
it's all of the stuff that I love about, like

3631
02:51:42,920 --> 02:51:45,840
really pretty. I'm actually feeling a bit sensitive black metal,

3632
02:51:45,959 --> 02:51:47,319
you know. And then the kind of the latter part

3633
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:50,159
I think you're describing with this like plinky, plunky synth

3634
02:51:50,280 --> 02:51:55,239
kind of underpinning that goes into like total glacial black

3635
02:51:55,319 --> 02:51:58,520
metal synth melody takes over and it just it sounds

3636
02:51:58,680 --> 02:52:01,559
like snow gradually coating a forest.

3637
02:52:01,600 --> 02:52:02,120
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.

3638
02:52:02,120 --> 02:52:04,639
Speaker 1: But then before you have the inward landscapes, which I

3639
02:52:04,719 --> 02:52:08,680
think you know, uh, you know, Opeth fans would certainly

3640
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:10,360
connect with it, and I think probably because they share

3641
02:52:10,719 --> 02:52:13,399
those similar like you know, sixty seventies comers, whatever sort

3642
02:52:13,399 --> 02:52:16,760
of reference points. This acoustic mid section that then lurks

3643
02:52:16,799 --> 02:52:19,840
into this like completely new rhythm with this like enigmatic

3644
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:22,079
discordant sort of riff, and it brings in this strings

3645
02:52:22,120 --> 02:52:24,639
part that's very like a forest of stars e with

3646
02:52:24,719 --> 02:52:28,040
this very like kind of mysterious, you know, strings melody.

3647
02:52:28,200 --> 02:52:30,200
Speaker 2: I was kind of amaze, but when that song kicks

3648
02:52:30,280 --> 02:52:32,440
back in, it's really like kind of like exhilarating and

3649
02:52:32,520 --> 02:52:35,879
rollicking in a way that again, yeah, I kept like, heck,

3650
02:52:35,879 --> 02:52:37,840
this one actually like that. You know, they're they're the

3651
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:40,399
folks are banned. Like this sort of opening run is

3652
02:52:40,479 --> 02:52:43,319
like real different, and the strings and keys they add

3653
02:52:43,479 --> 02:52:46,680
add so much kind of like flavoring contexture to that

3654
02:52:46,879 --> 02:52:50,239
kind of end passes that like really takes off again.

3655
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:53,920
Darko Shuls. The chorus on that is so catchy, like

3656
02:52:54,319 --> 02:52:57,239
but there's like really catchy, like cool vocal hooks all

3657
02:52:57,239 --> 02:52:59,600
over that song, and I'm like, these things feel like

3658
02:52:59,639 --> 02:53:02,239
they should exist in these songs. But I notice because

3659
02:53:02,239 --> 02:53:04,600
I'm like sewing on Matt mcnhoney when he's doing that

3660
02:53:04,680 --> 02:53:06,360
vocal album kind of like that could be a Grave

3661
02:53:06,399 --> 02:53:08,799
Pleasures hook if you reworked it a little bit, but

3662
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:11,680
it really got itself hooked into me this record, or

3663
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:13,360
of course all different parts, well.

3664
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:15,159
Speaker 1: The one that really goes there in terms of sort

3665
02:53:15,159 --> 02:53:18,079
of up tempo is spirit Masked Wolf, which yes, is

3666
02:53:18,600 --> 02:53:20,719
when he goes into his upper range with a bit

3667
02:53:20,799 --> 02:53:23,799
more like vigor and gusto. That actually does does kind

3668
02:53:23,840 --> 02:53:25,959
of sound like he's singing it like a Grave Pleasure songs,

3669
02:53:26,159 --> 02:53:27,680
like he does the kind of like oh, kind of

3670
02:53:27,719 --> 02:53:29,399
a nunciations and stuff in it, where if you're a

3671
02:53:29,440 --> 02:53:32,239
fan of his vocal lines in Grave Pleasures, you should

3672
02:53:32,280 --> 02:53:35,040
recognize a bit of it in that song. And then

3673
02:53:35,239 --> 02:53:36,920
this mid section of the record is maybe my favorite

3674
02:53:37,000 --> 02:53:38,760
run of songs on it, because there's that, then there's

3675
02:53:38,879 --> 02:53:42,680
Night's Tender Reckoning where Matt on their Socials he went

3676
02:53:42,719 --> 02:53:45,799
to the extent of listing exactly what early nineties My

3677
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:48,200
Dying Bride demo he was inspired by writing that song,

3678
02:53:48,319 --> 02:53:51,319
which I absolutely applaud. The nerdiness of it was towards

3679
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:53,719
the sinister if you're wondering, but that had that real,

3680
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:56,120
like you know, kind of panging your funny bone on

3681
02:53:56,159 --> 02:53:59,079
the corner of a table, like death doom type feel

3682
02:53:59,559 --> 02:54:02,879
apparently composed using a particular scale described as the diurnal

3683
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:06,440
scale of putrefaction a twenty four notes mirroring each.

3684
02:54:06,360 --> 02:54:07,239
Speaker 2: Hour after death.

3685
02:54:07,479 --> 02:54:10,399
Speaker 1: And it's brilliant and it sounds like it should be

3686
02:54:10,479 --> 02:54:13,399
played as music when you're wandering around in osury, right,

3687
02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:17,399
And it has lyrics describing this story of like thousands

3688
02:54:17,399 --> 02:54:19,440
of year old skeletons who were dug up in an

3689
02:54:19,479 --> 02:54:22,559
internal embrace, and the song kind of wraps you in

3690
02:54:22,680 --> 02:54:27,360
this like deathly blanket. And then Mother Destroyer, which interestingly

3691
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:28,799
is the one song that doesn't appear on the road

3692
02:54:28,840 --> 02:54:30,360
Burn set, so I guess that that was the last

3693
02:54:30,399 --> 02:54:33,840
one written and added to this record. But I contend

3694
02:54:33,840 --> 02:54:35,680
of one of my favorite songs because that like ghostly

3695
02:54:35,719 --> 02:54:38,600
little hook of the in the heart of Avery's psalm,

3696
02:54:38,959 --> 02:54:41,920
there is a darkness and it feels like every note

3697
02:54:41,959 --> 02:54:44,200
has been chosen to be the spookiest note he could do.

3698
02:54:44,799 --> 02:54:46,760
Speaker 2: Really what it tucks in me as I was like

3699
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:49,120
looking like spooky little nursery rhyme, that sort of hook,

3700
02:54:49,200 --> 02:54:51,360
but it's like catchy as a result of kind of

3701
02:54:51,399 --> 02:54:53,760
how simple the melodya iss but again you kind of

3702
02:54:53,840 --> 02:54:54,520
it sticks with you.

3703
02:54:54,719 --> 02:54:58,600
Speaker 3: And there's something like Concealed the Sense, which for four

3704
02:54:58,639 --> 02:55:01,520
minutes it's almost like turned into a kind of Woodland

3705
02:55:01,680 --> 02:55:05,520
radio head, which weirdly enough, is one of the more

3706
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:09,200
typical hex Vessel songs on the record. And yes, it

3707
02:55:09,319 --> 02:55:11,680
sticks out the most because all the other stuff they

3708
02:55:11,760 --> 02:55:16,239
explore here, like just little things like that, like peppered

3709
02:55:16,280 --> 02:55:18,799
through the record moments like that. And that's that's like

3710
02:55:19,159 --> 02:55:21,639
a fairly long form version of It's three minutes actual,

3711
02:55:21,639 --> 02:55:23,559
almost like a so I was being an interlude in

3712
02:55:23,600 --> 02:55:27,079
the song. It it's stuff like that where I go, oh, yeah, fun,

3713
02:55:27,200 --> 02:55:28,920
this is a hex Festal record and listen to this

3714
02:55:29,000 --> 02:55:32,559
isn't its own band, And I don't know, I just

3715
02:55:32,680 --> 02:55:35,200
I find stuff like I think it's really smart choice,

3716
02:55:35,440 --> 02:55:38,079
it's really smart uh sequencing.

3717
02:55:39,159 --> 02:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, In Mother's Jory, there's like this

3718
02:55:41,559 --> 02:55:45,440
cascading little piano notes flickering over the last beats and

3719
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:47,040
it sounds like a bit of like a jazz you know,

3720
02:55:47,159 --> 02:55:52,399
soundtrack or something. Concealed Descent really screams to me. The

3721
02:55:52,520 --> 02:55:55,520
debut hex Festil album Dawn Beerra when the folk music

3722
02:55:55,600 --> 02:55:58,559
was at its most like skeletal and creeping and stuff

3723
02:55:58,600 --> 02:56:01,079
like that really haggard violin that comes in on it.

3724
02:56:01,239 --> 02:56:02,680
And again I love that that sense of one was

3725
02:56:02,719 --> 02:56:04,879
like bits of the continuum, you know, like or like

3726
02:56:05,079 --> 02:56:08,440
coming through on this record. And then Unworld has this

3727
02:56:08,600 --> 02:56:12,440
like like stunted little juttering just like dun sort of

3728
02:56:12,559 --> 02:56:16,280
weird riff, and Vicottony from Dodge Time Guard appears, which

3729
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:18,360
I think he's a lot more like openly pronounced on

3730
02:56:18,360 --> 02:56:20,879
the live version, but like he again he's done lead

3731
02:56:20,959 --> 02:56:22,799
vocals on a Dodd hind Guard album just now on

3732
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:27,479
Black Medium Current, and there's some of that like almost

3733
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:30,639
psychedelic vocal energy of that album, like those weird bits

3734
02:56:30,680 --> 02:56:32,840
when he would just sort of like turl upwards, you know,

3735
02:56:32,959 --> 02:56:36,559
like lost in the clouds somewhere. That makes an appearance

3736
02:56:36,639 --> 02:56:38,559
on this record, which Sam, I bet you were absolutely

3737
02:56:39,000 --> 02:56:40,040
ecstatic to have back.

3738
02:56:40,360 --> 02:56:43,319
Speaker 2: Do you know what though, because Unworld begins with if

3739
02:56:43,399 --> 02:56:48,120
I've just described as stupid hard to come out of

3740
02:56:48,159 --> 02:56:53,159
a hextsing with it literally goes. It could be a

3741
02:56:53,239 --> 02:56:55,280
beat down, it could be a beat down, but then

3742
02:56:55,360 --> 02:56:58,639
it's kind of like part of this again immersive like

3743
02:56:59,399 --> 02:57:02,479
wintery record, and I was like, yeah, cool, this is

3744
02:57:02,559 --> 02:57:05,280
like a really oppressively heavy, sort of doomy cut. And

3745
02:57:05,959 --> 02:57:08,360
again like I didn't call that was the guy from

3746
02:57:08,360 --> 02:57:09,920
DoD time Cup. I was like, that's some weird vocals

3747
02:57:09,959 --> 02:57:11,959
going on there. But I was kind of like, again,

3748
02:57:12,280 --> 02:57:15,520
it's this far in the record, Like if I was

3749
02:57:15,559 --> 02:57:17,159
gonna be turned off by this record, I would have

3750
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:20,200
been turned off forty minutes ago, do you know what

3751
02:57:20,200 --> 02:57:22,159
I mean? Like, so like by this point, I'm that

3752
02:57:22,360 --> 02:57:26,719
deep in that I'm here for every weird turn it takes,

3753
02:57:27,239 --> 02:57:28,840
and it just happens to come after, you know, the

3754
02:57:28,920 --> 02:57:32,120
hardest ri on the record. So like best thing the

3755
02:57:32,239 --> 02:57:36,440
Dodheims Guard guy has done. Apparently it's not, but it

3756
02:57:36,520 --> 02:57:40,200
is good. It's the first time I've turned off by

3757
02:57:40,280 --> 02:57:42,040
him appearing. Yeah, I love that.

3758
02:57:42,079 --> 02:57:44,000
Speaker 1: It's got sort of dungeon synth the outro as well,

3759
02:57:44,040 --> 02:57:46,600
which is genuinely really pretty. And then the last track Phoebus,

3760
02:57:47,200 --> 02:57:49,639
again it takes flight more than Unwold, which is like

3761
02:57:49,680 --> 02:57:53,079
really just again sort juttering with again this really beautiful

3762
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:55,440
guitar melody and has a chorus which is like a

3763
02:57:55,479 --> 02:57:57,399
call and response with Matt singing and then a black

3764
02:57:57,440 --> 02:57:58,959
metal vocal in the back, and I think that that

3765
02:57:59,159 --> 02:58:01,559
is you Ho fam Moran Pazuzu, who is also in

3766
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:03,319
Great Pleasures, But I think that's him appearing and being

3767
02:58:03,399 --> 02:58:05,959
like ah in the back and you're providing that wretch.

3768
02:58:06,360 --> 02:58:09,760
And I'm really beguiled by this album. I think, like

3769
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:12,479
whether it's better or not than polar Ail is a

3770
02:58:12,479 --> 02:58:16,440
different matter because the two, despite inhabiting the same world,

3771
02:58:16,520 --> 02:58:19,239
they do feel like almost opposite sides of a coin

3772
02:58:19,319 --> 02:58:22,040
to a degree where this exhibits some different, you know, feelings,

3773
02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:27,600
But it is one of the most unique, really individual

3774
02:58:28,520 --> 02:58:33,959
in its imagination and focus musical experiences in heavy underground

3775
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:36,399
music this year from one of its most kind of

3776
02:58:36,479 --> 02:58:40,680
of present, most accomplished and inspired artists. And on that note,

3777
02:58:41,200 --> 02:58:42,799
something that I could have put in the news at

3778
02:58:42,799 --> 02:58:44,239
the top, but I thought we're talking about many way

3779
02:58:44,239 --> 02:58:47,600
we might put it here. Literally still in the release

3780
02:58:47,639 --> 02:58:49,920
week for this Hex Vessel album right this came out

3781
02:58:50,399 --> 02:58:55,639
a week ago. That's got another band hesent As called

3782
02:58:55,959 --> 02:58:59,000
Scorpion Milk, right which, if you are a long time

3783
02:58:59,040 --> 02:59:02,120
Matt McNerney fan, there's an obviously there's a rhyme there

3784
02:59:02,280 --> 02:59:05,479
with another band name of his. He's said that he

3785
02:59:05,639 --> 02:59:08,440
is doing a record. They signed to Peaceville Records, and

3786
02:59:08,479 --> 02:59:12,680
there's an album coming out soon, basically described as being

3787
02:59:12,719 --> 02:59:15,879
part of that kind of Beast Milk Grave Pleasures uber

3788
02:59:16,760 --> 02:59:19,120
but with the again the similar name and everything, it's

3789
02:59:19,200 --> 02:59:23,319
going back to more like the heavier influences of like

3790
02:59:23,440 --> 02:59:26,879
the very early Beast Milk stuff rather than the maybe

3791
02:59:26,879 --> 02:59:28,840
slightly more colorful or whatever influences that have been on

3792
02:59:28,879 --> 02:59:31,520
the recent Grave Pleasure stuff. I am like in the

3793
02:59:31,639 --> 02:59:33,920
process of trying to find out because Grave Pleasures have

3794
02:59:34,120 --> 02:59:37,479
not been a touring band really. On Playboys, I think

3795
02:59:37,479 --> 02:59:41,920
they've all been very busy with you has got a Rancipezuzu, obviously,

3796
02:59:41,920 --> 02:59:44,600
Matt's been a lot of Hex Vesil stuff. Grave Pleasures

3797
02:59:44,639 --> 02:59:48,000
unfortunately have not toured very much at all on that record,

3798
02:59:48,760 --> 02:59:51,680
and I have been wondering to what extent will Grave

3799
02:59:51,719 --> 02:59:54,200
Pleasures continue to exist. Basically, I am in the process

3800
02:59:54,280 --> 02:59:55,879
of trying to find out whether this news means that

3801
02:59:55,920 --> 02:59:58,639
Grave Pleasures is like you know, on Ice for now,

3802
02:59:58,959 --> 03:00:00,959
or whether this is more of like parallel thing of

3803
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:04,079
again going back to the earlier Beast Milk style. Influences,

3804
03:00:04,079 --> 03:00:05,719
while maybe great pleasures if they were to find the

3805
03:00:05,799 --> 03:00:08,159
time would continue on in the kind of direction they

3806
03:00:08,399 --> 03:00:08,879
have been going.

3807
03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:10,000
Speaker 2: So more on that.

3808
03:00:10,159 --> 03:00:12,440
Speaker 1: But there is going to be another Matt McNerney record

3809
03:00:13,360 --> 03:00:15,520
in Another Guy. He's closer to what he's done with

3810
03:00:15,559 --> 03:00:18,559
Beet Milk, like in the Autumn, I think coming later

3811
03:00:18,639 --> 03:00:19,079
down the road.

3812
03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:21,840
Speaker 2: So there's there's always more where it's come from.

3813
03:00:22,000 --> 03:00:24,799
Speaker 1: So there you go. The new Hex Vessel record called

3814
03:00:24,959 --> 03:00:28,440
Nocturn is really again one of the most like just

3815
03:00:28,639 --> 03:00:34,840
dynamic and fascinating works of like extreme music, underground music

3816
03:00:34,959 --> 03:00:37,639
that we will cover this year, So recommend you hear it.

3817
03:00:38,120 --> 03:00:41,920
Thank you everybody for being with us here through those records. Obviously,

3818
03:00:41,920 --> 03:00:44,120
if you're a hardcore fan, this was your lot. Let

3819
03:00:44,239 --> 03:00:47,280
us know which are your favorites, Which are the albums

3820
03:00:47,319 --> 03:00:50,000
there that lived up to your expectations, Which are the

3821
03:00:50,040 --> 03:00:52,000
ones that maybe I don't know, drop the ball or whatever,

3822
03:00:52,600 --> 03:00:55,200
or is it just a great old time from start finish,

3823
03:00:55,239 --> 03:00:58,799
from Turnstile through to Dead Guy. And obviously people who

3824
03:00:58,920 --> 03:01:00,920
put like some of the isn't Harker do give that

3825
03:01:01,040 --> 03:01:02,079
Hex special album a bash.

3826
03:01:02,639 --> 03:01:03,799
Speaker 2: We will be back.

3827
03:01:04,360 --> 03:01:07,760
Speaker 1: He'll be back here next Friday, when the hardcore Summer

3828
03:01:07,799 --> 03:01:09,520
does continue for a little while because Sam has of

3829
03:01:09,559 --> 03:01:12,239
course had outbreak in various outbreak related shows and stuff

3830
03:01:12,879 --> 03:01:14,760
to report about, so we want to talk about that.

3831
03:01:15,719 --> 03:01:17,559
Then we will be back as soon as we can

3832
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,879
with an album club pack over on the Patreon featuring

3833
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:24,719
I Will Remind You, twenty one, Pilot's Blurry Face, man

3834
03:01:24,799 --> 03:01:30,200
O War's Battle Hymns, Turnover, Peripheral Vision, and The Devil's Blood,

3835
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:32,200
The Time of No Time Evermore. And then we've got

3836
03:01:32,239 --> 03:01:34,760
some really fun stuff planned for July as well. When

3837
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:37,479
you know, everything keeps on moving on as it hath

3838
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:38,079
been doing.

3839
03:01:37,959 --> 03:01:40,799
Speaker 2: So cheers everybody, see you soon. Bye bye,