1 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong 2 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,679 with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,320 David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as 4 00:00:24,359 --> 00:00:26,519 a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,039 do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd 6 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:31,640 love to hear from you. Molly, I forgot what my 7 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:34,560 title was there for a second a second stumbled. 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm not a big title person, and I value people, 9 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:41,960 but I just don't care what their title is. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: It matters less and less in journalism, at least when 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,600 I started out, you know, you were like a cub reporter, 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,039 then senior this that, and there was sort of a structure. 13 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:53,719 But now everyone does a little bit of everything. At websites, 14 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:55,840 it writes about a little bit of everything. When I 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,759 first became a columnist in two thousand and four, being 16 00:00:59,759 --> 00:01:02,000 a this was like a big thing, Like I thought 17 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:03,920 that I'd just sit in that seat for the rest 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,560 of my life. And then blogs came along and everyone 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,640 was a columnist, so it didn't really mean much. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,239 Speaker 3: I liked blog era. 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,599 Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's the I think it was the best. 22 00:01:15,799 --> 00:01:18,519 I mean, I discovered so many interesting voices people I 23 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:21,480 would have these amazing debates. It really just opened the 24 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:23,599 world up to me in a way, to a lot 25 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:27,359 of interesting people. But then it all came falling down 26 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:31,280 with social media been good for. 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: Me personally, but I don't think it's great for everybody, 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,040 meaning like for the world. Seems like it's had some downsides. 29 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: I do, I think so. I think it's changing the 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,799 way people think. I don't. I'm not smart enough to 31 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:48,120 know how technically in the brain that's happening. But I 32 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,079 noticed for myself that it makes me miserable when I'm 33 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:52,920 on it, and I do this thing where I try 34 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:55,239 not to go on at night where it upsets me. 35 00:01:56,719 --> 00:01:59,319 I think it like highlights all of the most terrible 36 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,400 people things that are going on constantly, to the extent 37 00:02:02,439 --> 00:02:04,760 where people start thinking this is how the world is 38 00:02:04,959 --> 00:02:11,639 when it's not so. Get outside. Now, speaking of the 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,439 real world and the weird world, let's talk, if we 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:19,520 can a bit in a very careful way about Christie 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Gnomes not in a careful way. 42 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: Why don't we have to be careful. 43 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:30,039 Speaker 1: We don't have to be careful. Christine Dome's husband is 44 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,000 apparently has a would you call it. 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:39,199 Speaker 2: A fetish, a cross dressing fetish, right where he puts 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:47,080 on enormous tatas and like hot pink tight pants and 47 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,000 then talks to women online. 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: It's called it's called bimbo fication, bimbofication. It's a fetish 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,400 scene apparently. Uh, there are many people involved. He looks 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,120 like such a you know, it looks like a handsome fella, 51 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,319 like a normal man. Yeah. 52 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like this explains so much. 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: Really, sometimes the story a story comes along and you're like, wow, 54 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,919 people are weird out there. 55 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: I am, you know, I'm I never want to be. 56 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: Proud about anything, you know, like related to my marriage, 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,280 because I understand how precious each day is. But I'm 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,439 really glad that I just have a happy, healthy, normal marriage, 59 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:41,080 and Mark and I seem to be very happy in it, 60 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:41,439 you know. 61 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: We enjoy each other. And Christy Nome used to be 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,120 so beautiful. 63 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,719 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this, but like when 64 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,159 she first ran for office, she was she was legit 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,719 beautiful and very natural. But then she started doing a 66 00:03:57,759 --> 00:04:02,199 lot of body modification. And I'm wondering if her husband's 67 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:07,120 issues played a role in her thinking she needed to 68 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,360 change to be she claimed today that she had no 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,400 idea that this was going on, and I'm not sure 70 00:04:14,439 --> 00:04:17,560 I believe that, but you know, I bet she did 71 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,720 at least send something if she didn't know outright, And 72 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:22,720 so I think maybe she was at first trying to 73 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:30,040 change herself and then and then it also would explain 74 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:32,759 why she's having an affair with Corey Lewandowski. I'm not 75 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,959 justifying it. You should not sheat even if your husband 76 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,240 is going through major issues like this. But also, do 77 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,240 you remember when she obstructed that trans bill in South Dakota. 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I do, I do. 79 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:50,959 Speaker 2: It's where her you know, the federalists used to be 80 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,920 very pleased with her in general. She was saying the 81 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,519 right things and doing the right things, and then she 82 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,240 just like did a very weird approach, which I think 83 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,360 had something to do with one of her chief donors 84 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:07,079 being the hospital system that made so much money off 85 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,160 of mutilating children and other people. 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: Well, it's a sudden U turn. I remember, like she 87 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,439 was seemed to be a bored and then all of 88 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,560 a sudden, it's like someone spoke to her about it 89 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,839 and then she changed her mind. 90 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, I feel like it all 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,519 kind of comes together. 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,399 Speaker 3: In her husband's bad behavior. 93 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,439 Speaker 2: Maybe though maybe it was the opposite, Maybe she was 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,720 the one who was going off the deep end. 95 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: And this was his response. I don't know, but. 96 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:37,959 Speaker 1: Uh, I will say this now. I'm going to ask you. 97 00:05:38,079 --> 00:05:41,720 I'm going to phrase this question for him to help me. 98 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:46,240 There are people who believe that they are a part 99 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,839 of a gender they were not born, which is I 100 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,680 think a mild form of mental illness usually, right, Like, 101 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:55,480 that's how I view it. I don't know. 102 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be a major form of mental illness too, 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,800 but yes, go on, when. 104 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,199 Speaker 1: People are mutilating themselves, I think that's a major form. 105 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,759 But typically I just think it's maybe something even when 106 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:07,800 you're young, you might think and get over right with 107 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,639 some help or on your own. This doesn't seem to 108 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,000 be that kind of thing, right, It just seems to 109 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,560 be an actual fetish where the guy likes, for whatever reason, 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,279 likes to do this sort of thing, right. I mean, 111 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:21,720 there is a difference to be had between those two 112 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,680 kinds of thinkings, not saying the other one is not 113 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:28,439 also some kind of sexual component to it. In fetish, 114 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:28,839 I mean. 115 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes people say, like, oh, trans stuff has 116 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:35,879 always been with us, and then they will mention a 117 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,399 cross dresser, and it's like, I get why you would 118 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:43,000 group those together. There are some issues of overlap, but 119 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,519 cross dressing is actually like a totally different thing than 120 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:51,120 pretending to believe or believing that you are a different 121 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,839 sex than the one you are. And cross dressing does 122 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:58,240 have a lengthy history. I mean, you even see references 123 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,160 in the Bible about how you're not supposed to to 124 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,480 do it, like old Testament stuff, But I don't know 125 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:12,439 about even among cross dressers, there's huge variation. It's also 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 a sign that things are not operating properly in the 127 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,639 mental health department. And sometimes it's a function of child 128 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:26,680 abuse and reactions to child abuse or sexual sexual confusion 129 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:33,600 in terms of being attracted to the same sex and 130 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:35,879 thinking that if you're dressed as the opposite sex that 131 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:37,759 that will But. 132 00:07:37,759 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's also a culture of like drag, right, chitchy. 133 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:49,519 It seems very different. So going back to Shakespeare. 134 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,399 Speaker 1: Or where where men dressed as women for entertainment purposes, 135 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:54,360 I think that's also a different strand, which just. 136 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: Like drag for comedy is a big thing, right right right, 137 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:00,879 whether it's. 138 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: In a you know, for a role or for. 139 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,959 Speaker 2: A drag burlesque show or something that I have a question, David, 140 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,360 what percentage of the world is truly messed up this way? 141 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,519 Sometimes I feel like it's a lot. And maybe also 142 00:08:19,639 --> 00:08:23,199 I feel like in the Washington d C. Slash political environments, 143 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:27,600 it's over represented the being messed up stuff. 144 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm always so I'll be I'm just walking through life 145 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:34,840 doing my best, and sometimes I will hear a story 146 00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:37,159 and it will you know, it'll be someone I know. 147 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,960 I don't mean I'm friends with them, but someone I 148 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,399 know in the world or I've maybe met once or something, 149 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,200 and there'll be a story. Yeah, they were you know, 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,720 they were involved in threesomes of having affairs this or 151 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:48,360 they were actually doing this, and I'm just like, what 152 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,799 is going on behind the scenes? I feel like I 153 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,120 am clueless and that the world is much more exciting, 154 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:00,200 not in a good way really, And I thought it nasty. Yeah, what, 155 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,200 let me ask you a question, was he this is 156 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,159 obviously cheating of a sort, right, because he I think 157 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:09,519 he's doing it on zoom or whatever it is. That's 158 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,399 not okay, right, There is emotional cheating. There's this kind 159 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:19,240 of cheating, but it doesn't. It's like you could fix 160 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,360 something like this because there's no physical there was no 161 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:24,360 physical cheating, right. 162 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: First of all, I think even if there is the 163 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,440 worst betrayal, you could still fix it, and that should 164 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,159 always be the goal, even you know, so even that, 165 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:38,799 but certainly this could be repaired if they wanted to 166 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,519 kind of get the feeling. Neither of them wants to, 167 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:44,799 but it's it's sad, And I would say to people 168 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:49,519 who are struggling with issues, whether it's you know, addiction 169 00:09:49,759 --> 00:09:53,840 to porn or cross dressing or whatever the case may be, 170 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:55,159 you can fix. 171 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: You can work on it and improve the situation. 172 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, own people who I've. 173 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: Known, people who've done that very successfully. 174 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I just because when I was a kid, 175 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,360 I watched the movie Every Everything. You always wanted to 176 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,639 know about sex but We're afraid to ask by Woody Allen. 177 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,919 It was not a healthy way for me to learn 178 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,519 about these things. But one of the chapters is well, 179 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,200 well there's the witty Allen the Gene Wilder chapter where 180 00:10:23,159 --> 00:10:25,159 he falls in love with the sheep, which is very 181 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,080 weird to watch now. But one of the chapters is 182 00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:30,440 are transvest It's homosexuals with a guy who was like 183 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,759 the Sharman squeezer. Do you remember those commercials the old guy. 184 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,200 He he puts on women's clothing and he likes to 185 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,360 prance around, but he is not homosexual. So that's what 186 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,120 I feel like, maybe is going on here? Right? 187 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: I was listening to this I love this podcast, Issues, 188 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,360 et cetera, which is and then. 189 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: Talk about stuff like this Molly well or serious way I. 190 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 3: Imagine sort of the opposite. 191 00:11:01,639 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: There was a thing that I was listening to about 192 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,919 that verse from Philippians. 193 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,879 Speaker 3: Is that right? Philippians for eight? 194 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: Well, then let me get the let me get the 195 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,799 actual passage. Finally, Brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things 196 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,360 are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, 197 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,120 whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, 198 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:34,559 If there is any virtue, and if there is anything praiseworthy, 199 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,639 meditate on these things. And so the podcast I was 200 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,799 listening to, which had this great theologian Will weedon On. 201 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,440 He was just going through each phrase and what it meant. 202 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,080 And I think it's good to meditate on good things 203 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,639 and not bad things like the gnome marriage. 204 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: Perhaps there's probably a lot of heard here. I don't 205 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,000 want to be Oh yeah, yeah, So it's very embarrassing 206 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:02,879 for the person, and I don't really think it's very 207 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:08,200 much my business. No, No, I'm just saying but because she's 208 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,960 a public figure and she's with you know, she's carrying 209 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,799 on this relationship, she's still married. They're still married, right, 210 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,720 and she's carry carrying on this relationship with Landowski. 211 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: I mean it puts that also, I believe still married, right. 212 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:24,759 Speaker 1: Uh. I think it becomes our business in a sense 213 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,559 to talk about it, not in the way like the 214 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,279 euro Post puts it up, but just in you know, 215 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,240 in that kind of TMZ way. But but yeah, it's 216 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:37,799 just something I think that's worth talking about. Maybe I'm 217 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,919 just rationalizing why we're talking about it in a way 218 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:40,799 or justifying it. 219 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: I think cheating on a spouse, So a marriage is 220 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,279 a public thing. It's a it's a declaration to society 221 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,559 that you are in a bond with this person that 222 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,399 is private and secure and monogamous. And when you are 223 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:06,480 literally on a zoom cam with other women, there's a 224 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,600 public aspect to that. Even if you think it's private, 225 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,759 you know, these are people outside that contract, outside that 226 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:17,679 bond of marriage. So yeah, I'm not relishing it, and 227 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,679 I will say I feel just sick for the man 228 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,879 or sorry, the husband, the wife, and their children and grandchildren. 229 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:28,759 I mean, this is not this has got to be 230 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,879 a horrifying thing to go through to learn this about 231 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:34,720 your father this way and grandfather and. 232 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: Just tangentially, I guess I read a lot of stories lately, 233 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,360 and you know, in New York kind of magazines or 234 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,799 Vanity Fair wherever, even in the New York Times, about 235 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:52,080 non monogamous multi partner relationships, why they're okay, what benefits 236 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,399 there are, this and that. But I've never actually seen 237 00:13:55,639 --> 00:13:58,200 a long term, any kind of long term situation where 238 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,320 that people are happy or in that kind of old 239 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,600 than they are in a secure marriage. So I think 240 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,240 we handled that rather delicately, as delicately as one could. 241 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,399 She's terrible, by the way. I mean, I just want 242 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:14,480 to say this as a political matter, from that moment on, 243 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,799 she's head of Homeland Security, right and she is just 244 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,440 was incompetent, and her messaging was incompetent, and the way 245 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,799 she ran it was incompetent, and she'd just been thrown 246 00:14:25,799 --> 00:14:28,879 out of the administration altogether, there's no way reason for 247 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:30,279 her to have a job that long, and I kind 248 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:32,440 of weird because Donald Trump used to fire people left 249 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,240 and right in his first term, and in this term 250 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:36,600 he barely ever will fire anyone. It seems to me. 251 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: I would say there are two main issues with gnomes 252 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:47,000 management of DHS. The first and probably more important one 253 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,120 is that the signature policy goal of Trump's campaign was 254 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:59,039 to close the border and deport the illegal aliens. It 255 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,480 is true that she did a good job of closing 256 00:15:01,559 --> 00:15:03,440 the border, and I will give her credit for that, 257 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,000 but the deportation of the millions upon millions upon millions 258 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:12,360 of illegal aliens, it does not seem that she had 259 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,679 a very good plan for that. The numbers, you know, 260 00:15:15,759 --> 00:15:20,159 even though some have been deported, that's true. She walked 261 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:23,759 right into the trap in Baltimore, where, you know, we 262 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:27,879 got a indication of this during the Los Angeles riots 263 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:31,840 shortly after Trump first was elected, where we saw like 264 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,840 Antifa was organizing these We know what Antifa's game plan is, 265 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,360 which includes. 266 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: To have martyrs that they can exploit, and. 267 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: They want to create violent conflict, and she didn't really 268 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:49,080 seem to think that through or a have a pr 269 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,679 strategy that worked, or a way to not again not 270 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:57,799 give Antifa what they wanted there, and they got kind 271 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,720 of what they wanted. But more than anything, the numbers 272 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:04,360 are just not there for deportations. And really a lot 273 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,440 had to be done in the first two years because 274 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:12,399 historically the minority party makes major gains in the midterms, 275 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:15,320 and already there were such narrow majorities in the House 276 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,320 and Senate that that meant that Democrats are likely to 277 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,559 take over and start to shut down anything from the 278 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,240 deportation angle, even though that's a very popular policy goal 279 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,360 of President Trump's. 280 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,559 Speaker 3: So she let him down on that. 281 00:16:30,759 --> 00:16:35,519 Speaker 2: And I think if you don't have mass deportation of 282 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:41,960 some of the mass illegal migration here, it's very bad 283 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,559 for the country. So it was a very serious job. 284 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,759 I think Trump should have picked someone much more serious. 285 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,279 Speaker 3: To do it. And now we're all reaping the consequences. 286 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,799 Speaker 1: And also, justin I know this isn't as important though 287 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,919 she is the head of an agency, is that the 288 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,679 messaging looks terrible. The way she could die to herself 289 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,080 was embarrassing quite often. 290 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:05,759 Speaker 2: I just want to say the second thing is corruption 291 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,160 people who seek to have personal gain instead of the 292 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,720 policy goals. That we have a very limited time to 293 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:18,279 achieve are sabotaging the Trump presidency. I do not know 294 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,960 in any way the details of allegation. You know, I know, 295 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,400 I know there are allegations that there was grifting going 296 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,839 along going on under her leadership in terms of friends 297 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,000 getting contracts. 298 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that. 299 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:35,839 Speaker 3: So if that is. 300 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:40,759 Speaker 2: True, that is a horrible betrayal of the MAGA cause 301 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:48,839 to engage in corruption instead of doing what people worked really, really, 302 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,480 really hard to achieve in terms of deportations. 303 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,839 Speaker 5: Why is home sales at the slowest pace of four years? 304 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,720 The Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 305 00:18:03,759 --> 00:18:06,599 Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and 306 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,039 the economy and how it affects your wallet. Sales of 307 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:12,599 newly built homes dropped seventeen point six percent, even with 308 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,559 building prices coming down. Why are young home buyers so anxious? 309 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,880 Is this another housing market warning sign? Whether it's happening 310 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,440 in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 311 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Be informed. 312 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 5: Check out the Watch Dot on Wall Street podcast with 313 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:28,200 Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 314 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,759 Speaker 1: Okay, Molly, let's move on to a couple of supreme 315 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:39,000 court cases. One was decided on Tuesday eight to one 316 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:42,359 decision in favor of a therapist named Caylee Chiles in Colorado. 317 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:46,759 The court decided that it was First Amendment protected right 318 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,400 to engage in quote unquote conversion therapy, which is just 319 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,119 a euphemism for speaking to young people about their biological 320 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,160 sex in real terms. I think it's a huge victory 321 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,279 because there are twenty other states that have similar laws. 322 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,799 Speaker 2: Right, yes, I mean it's a really big victory. During 323 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:16,200 the height of the trans insanity, states were passing laws 324 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:20,960 telling men they could be in or in telling males 325 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:24,880 they could be in female sports and locker rooms that 326 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,720 you could do nothing about it, penalizing speech when it 327 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:31,440 came to someone saying, you know, if I'm if I 328 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,920 as a man, tell you to call me a woman, 329 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:36,960 you have to say it. And that was codified into law. 330 00:19:37,559 --> 00:19:41,519 And you also had bands on talk therapy. So in 331 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:46,920 the case in question, the therapist, the licensed therapist in Colorado, 332 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:51,599 was not prescribing medication or anything like that, but she 333 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:57,039 was helping. She wanted to be able to help patients 334 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:02,960 with gender dysphoria. Colorado banned what they called conversion therapy, 335 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,200 which is sort of a loaded term to make you 336 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,000 think there's something wrong with trying to help someone who's 337 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,799 gender confused. 338 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:11,519 Speaker 5: Or. 339 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:17,039 Speaker 1: Therapy intimates that there's something physical going on where it's 340 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,160 just talking to someone, right. 341 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it prohibited them from engaging in just prohibited 342 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:26,400 therapists from having speech. 343 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: So you are correct when you said. 344 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: It was a big deal. And I think the fact 345 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:38,319 that it was eight one was a big deal. And yeah, 346 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,880 she's great, And the ruling itself, I thought was well done, 347 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,319 unsurprisingly by Gorsic. Like whether you like him or don't 348 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,240 like him, or agree with him or not agree with him, 349 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:50,319 he does a pretty good job with. 350 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: His written opinions. 351 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,279 Speaker 2: And he said that the First Amendment protects individual's right 352 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,880 to decide how best to speak, and it strongly disfavors 353 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:11,519 content based restrictions on viewpoint. And he pointed out that 354 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:15,519 the law does discriminate on viewpoint because if you want 355 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:20,240 a kid to mutilate themselves or to get mutilated by 356 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:23,759 doctors is how I should say it, or to sterilize themselves, 357 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,519 you have every right to talk them into it or 358 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:29,720 talk you know, to affirm that or to support that. 359 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,279 But if you think that's an unhealthy idea, which it 360 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,519 is you are penalized and banned by the state of 361 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,000 Colorado from helping that minor. 362 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: And then he also said that. 363 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: Just because you're in a professional setting or a therapeutic setting, 364 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,480 you don't lose protection, and he gave some examples of 365 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:02,799 how the court had previously ruled on that, and yeah, 366 00:22:02,839 --> 00:22:03,240 it was good. 367 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: It's just great. 368 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Well Garsch, I love. I think he's the best writer. 369 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:09,599 I mean, I enjoy reading his stuff better. And he 370 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:12,960 here's a line he wrote, the First Amendment stands as 371 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,359 a shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy in thought 372 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,599 or speech in this country. It's a kind of a 373 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,200 neutral view of speech there. So whether you agree with 374 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:24,640 what is being done or not, it is clearly speech, 375 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,079 whether it's orthodoxy or not. But think about it. When 376 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,319 I thought, I mean, essentially, what they're saying is that 377 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,640 a doctor, because these are psychiatrists often and they have doctorates, 378 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,960 are not allowed to accept biological reality and talk about it. 379 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,559 I mean, that is mind blowingly Orwellian, right, it's Soviet. 380 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,000 But at the same time, in these same states, they 381 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,519 want to allow you to mutilate physically that same child 382 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:57,519 and do something to them that can oftentimes never be 383 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 corrected when their adult should they change their mind, they 384 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,759 can't change their mind because they're not even allowed to 385 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,000 hear from a doctor that says you should maybe change 386 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:06,680 your mind about this or not do this. 387 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of people who feel differently, and how deserving 388 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,680 that is. Yeah, that thirty five page descent from Katanji 389 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Brown Jackson is not. 390 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,079 Speaker 3: Not good from her or her supporters. 391 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: Forget her for a second. Here's NBC News. This is 392 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:28,079 a news story on the NBC News site. Just their lead. 393 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:31,680 I'm going to read you. In a blow to LGBTQ rights, 394 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,279 the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that Kara's ban on 395 00:23:34,319 --> 00:23:38,839 conversion therapy aimed at your youths struggling with their sexual orientation, 396 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,160 where gender identity violates the free speech rights of conservative 397 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:44,519 Christian therapists. 398 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,279 Speaker 3: That is not what the Supreme Court. 399 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: Media are just awful at being accurate. 400 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: Who wrote that? 401 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: Do you know, Lawrence Hurley? 402 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: I knew it. He's not good. 403 00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,759 Speaker 1: I mean, that's insane because first of all, he doesn't 404 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,799 understand the neutrality of free speech at all. Right, he says, 405 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:10,599 this is lg BTQ against Christian conservative Christian therapist. 406 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: Like if an atheist who does not want to harm 407 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:20,480 children encourages that child through talk therapy not to go 408 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:24,400 on hormones, he's not Christian, he's not conservative, he's you know, 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,039 it protects everybody. 410 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,559 Speaker 1: I mean, did Neil Gorsuch say that only Christian conservative 411 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:30,960 therapists can talk this way? 412 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 5: No? 413 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean it's just, first of all, Christian conservative therapists 414 00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:40,160 have the same rights as the LGBTQ therapist does. This 415 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,519 doesn't stop anyone from saying anything. As you pointed out, 416 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:44,599 it just begalls me when I hear this because I 417 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,400 am not I'm a secular person, and I just can't 418 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,599 stand when they bifurcate morality in this way, Like I'm 419 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,000 not on the side of people who mutilate children, and 420 00:24:55,039 --> 00:25:01,200 I'm not a Christian conservative therapist anyway. So there's another 421 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680 big case, and I think you told me you're going 422 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,559 to be at the court to hear arguments. Is that right? 423 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be going to oral argument. 424 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: We're taping this late on Tuesday, so tomorrow morning, and 425 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,799 that's why we're not taping in the morning. And I 426 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:22,759 am really interested in the birthright citizenship case in part 427 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:26,240 because I have changed my mind on this topic. I 428 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,200 don't know if you were with us at the Federalist 429 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,240 when we commissioned that piece from now Judge Hoe about 430 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,799 in support of birthright citizenship, but that was in accordance 431 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,279 with my views at that time. It was a long 432 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:46,680 time ago, like more than ten years ago. And through 433 00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:55,640 reading the arguments, including those of Alan Wrman and Randy Barnett, 434 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,400 John Eastman, you know, there are all these different constitutional scholars, 435 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,279 they have changed my mind on it. 436 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: This is weird. I don't really have a strong opinion 437 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,920 in the sense that if I could write the Fourteenth 438 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,599 Amendment today, I would exclude people here illegally explicitly. It 439 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:20,799 seems like the political jurisdiction clause or what in the 440 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:25,119 Amendment kind of already doesn't yes, right, But I would 441 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,319 make that explicit because I don't think it makes sense 442 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,640 that someone can just illegally come here, have children and 443 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,160 make them citizens. But again, and I'm not an expert, 444 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,559 it seems to me like they weren't really thinking about 445 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:39,559 that at the time, so that this it just seems 446 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,519 to me, if you're here illegally, you're not under the 447 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,440 jurisdiction of the United States technically, so you shouldn't be 448 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,440 a citizen. I think if you're if you're not, like 449 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:50,920 I actually think, I'm not sure if my parents are 450 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,640 fully citizens. Yeah, when I was born here, they may 451 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,240 still have been in the process. 452 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: Favorite subject to the jurisdiction. 453 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: But they exactly but they were subject. They were getting 454 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,279 a green card, they were or you know, they were 455 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,960 the wheels were turning, whereas an illegal person shouldn't be 456 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,599 here at all. So, I mean, that's just my emotional 457 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:07,599 response to it. 458 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:10,039 Speaker 2: If we can back up, it is sort of it 459 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,519 is sort of commonly believed that if you are born 460 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:17,279 here that you are a full citizen with all the 461 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,799 rights of citizenhood. And believe it or not, this issue 462 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:28,240 has never ever ever gone to the Supreme Court, whether 463 00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:36,079 the Fourteenth Amendments, you know phrase applying citizenship subject to 464 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,559 the jurisdiction of the United States, has anything to say 465 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:41,039 about that. 466 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,839 Speaker 1: But wasn't there a case where there was a Chinese 467 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,599 railroad worker and they had children and. 468 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 3: Person was a legal resident. 469 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,039 Speaker 2: Because the child a child of legal residents is a 470 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:58,000 different issue, who could be argued to be subject to 471 00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,839 the jurisdiction thereof that was a particularly great court at 472 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,279 that era. 473 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,799 Speaker 1: But it's my assumption is that there was not any 474 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,799 process like we have now right for citizenship. I assume, 475 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,319 so people would just come and work. 476 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: That's the other thing. 477 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:17,039 Speaker 2: Our laws regarding citizenship have changed over time, so you 478 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,119 have to calculate that in as well. So we used 479 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,559 to have fairly open borders and now we have non 480 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:33,319 open borders, and that does affect this issue, right, And 481 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,920 if you didn't have any rules about coming here, well, 482 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,000 here's how One of the one of the briefs that 483 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,599 I read was talking about how it used to be 484 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480 assumed that if you came here, you were kind of 485 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160 coming here permanently. That was a wrong assumption, by the way. 486 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,640 Plenty of people would come and go, but that was 487 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,000 sort of the legal assumption. It was like if you 488 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,359 came across on a boat to move here, that meant 489 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,119 you wanted to be a citizen. 490 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,759 Speaker 3: And the. 491 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,079 Speaker 2: Laws of Congress were just set up differently. But if 492 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,720 you look at when the reply brief, I would recommend 493 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,920 if you want to read anything on this, David, I 494 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,640 would read the replied brief that John Sower submitted last week. 495 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,240 And he's the Solicitor General and it kind of goes 496 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,519 through everything, the history, all the different arguments, and it's 497 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,200 very convincing. I have heard so many people say recently 498 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880 that they had also changed their mind on this issue, 499 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,400 and it's kind of a fun thing to change her 500 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,279 mind or you know, I don't do it often, so 501 00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,160 when it happens, I'm always kind of excited that I'm 502 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,839 still being open minded and able to hear arguments and 503 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,519 be convinced. 504 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: But my historical knowledge on this is just the Fourteenth 505 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,519 Amendment was written about slavery and had really nothing to 506 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:01,200 do with the issued a hand here, so that we 507 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,319 need different laws for this. That just seems like the 508 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,680 most obvious thing from my reading, you know, satting aside 509 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,599 the legality, but also a person who is a citizen 510 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,599 here or wants to be a citizen, pledges some kind 511 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,839 of allegiance to the constitution, and which are the laws 512 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,359 of the country. Right, If you're here illegally, you have 513 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,480 done none of that now, not even in a legal sense, 514 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:24,519 but you have not pledged any kind of allegiance. And 515 00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,519 maybe many people come here want to go back, they 516 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,079 just want to work here for a few months or 517 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:32,000 whatever it is. And to make those children's citizens automatically 518 00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,920 just doesn't seem to make sense practical sense to me. 519 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,839 Speaker 2: The reason why this got to the court is that 520 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,599 shortly after he was inaugurated, President Trump issued in the 521 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:49,160 executive order saying that the citizenship clause of the fourteenth Amendment, 522 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:52,839 along with this provision that's related to it in the 523 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:58,799 Immigration and Nationality Act, grant's birthright citizenship only to children 524 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,519 born in the United States to parents who are domiciled 525 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,400 in the country, and that means permanent allegiance to the 526 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,960 US and complete subjection to US political jurisdiction. 527 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 3: And that it. 528 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: Excludes children of tourists and temporary visitors and sojournals and 529 00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:27,200 people who are here illegally, and it separates that allegiance 530 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,839 issue from merely being physically present here. And the main 531 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:38,640 argument that Sour lays out is that the phrase subject 532 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,519 to the jurisdiction thereof requires complete subjection to US political jurisdiction, 533 00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:48,480 which has historically and originally meant domicile and mutual allegiance, 534 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,279 not merely like you're in a place that has a 535 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:57,559 police that has police, you know, overseeing the neighborhood, or 536 00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,880 has a local government, and the primary purpose of the 537 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200 clause was, of course, and I don't think anyone really 538 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,319 denies this to secure citizenship for the freed slaves and 539 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:12,839 their children. The historical evidence from the debates on the 540 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:19,359 Fourteenth Amendment, the Civil Rights Act of eighteen sixty six, 541 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:25,519 all of this supports excluding temporary sojournals and those not domiciled. 542 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,839 It points out what I told you already about that 543 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,799 US versus Wong Kim arc which we only related, which 544 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,359 only held that domiciled resident aliens or citizens. 545 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: So it can well since he was not here illegally, 546 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,519 even if he didn't have the same kind of paperwork, right, 547 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:44,200 So I get that. 548 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 549 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,519 Speaker 2: And then the really interesting stuff about it is all 550 00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,319 about how when the Fourteenth Amendment was passed, all the 551 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:56,039 way up until Congress passed a law I want to 552 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,000 I mean, I can't remember, it was like late twenties 553 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:03,599 or thirties giving Native Americans US citizenship. They were not 554 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,240 viewed as US citizen, I mean extensively weren't viewed as 555 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,400 US citizens. They were viewed as tribal nations that were 556 00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:14,000 within our borders. 557 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 3: And they were within our borders. 558 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: In different ways, like some were on reservations, some were 559 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,519 not and some were federally protected in certain ways in 560 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,359 ways that others weren't. So there were all sorts of 561 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,880 different kinds of tribal nations, and none of those people 562 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,559 were considered citizens after the Fourteenth Amendment until Congress passed 563 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,240 a law saying that they were, which is to me 564 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,680 a really strong argument and one that I have to 565 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,920 imagine Gorsich will find convincing. 566 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,319 Speaker 3: But I could be wrong. 567 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,519 Speaker 1: I mean, as if being an originalist doesn't mean being 568 00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:51,599 a literalist. So if I asked someone who was voting 569 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,400 for the fourteenth Amendment or wrote the fourteenth Amendment, I 570 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,359 forgot the Michigan Center's name. And within the amendment, I 571 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,720 think there's immunity right for like foreign diplomats, for instance, 572 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,920 if they have kids. So you're telling me that they 573 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,519 didn't want foreign diplomats who had children to be citizens, 574 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,119 but they wanted someone who was here illegally invading the 575 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,800 country to be a citizen. That just doesn't strike me 576 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:15,719 as logical at all. And I forget what the other 577 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,639 instances are. I guess, like you said, the Indian tribes, 578 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,440 they never considered it, but also maybe invading armies or 579 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480 so I forget what's in the in the amendment. But 580 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:28,320 so yeah, I could see the originalists in the court. 581 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 3: On that point. 582 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, the originalist meaning debate on this has never happened 583 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,599 until like a year to two years ago. Did occasionally 584 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,719 have people saying stuff, but it never led to a debate, 585 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:49,679 never led to real academic insight. And the stuff on 586 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,880 this is super interesting. I mean, you do have five 587 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:58,800 originalist justices on the court now, people who claim themselves 588 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,559 to be originalist. Now, I don't know how this is 589 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,320 going to go, and I would not be shocked if 590 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,559 it goes like seven to two down, just given how 591 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,119 people are. 592 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Roberts score such. Yeah, I don't know if they're 593 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,400 sure things. 594 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:22,039 Speaker 2: But well, I think Gorse, because he understands tribal law 595 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,000 so well and knows that history so well, I actually 596 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,000 think he'll find the reply brief pretty convincing. I think 597 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:34,880 Thomas and Alito have already, you know, written things that 598 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,320 suggest that they would take an originalist approach on this. 599 00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,639 So then the question becomes the other three, Like I 600 00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:47,440 have to assume today's ruling, notwithstanding that the three Democrat 601 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,320 appointed justices will do exactly what you think they will do. 602 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, So it goes. 603 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 2: Down to then the next three I think, again, we 604 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,639 don't know how anyone's going to go on. Yeah, and 605 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:03,039 I assume John Roberts will go work like if there 606 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:09,320 are four on one side that firm up, you know, 607 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,000 he might go with them, or he might be inclined 608 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,880 to go Here's the best case scenario, which I'm not anticipating. 609 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,119 I just want to say again, but best case scenario 610 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,599 is one of Robert's former clerks told. 611 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: Me that he has this belief. 612 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 2: You know, he famously doesn't have a judicial philosophy. He 613 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,880 said he didn't have one and he didn't think you 614 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,840 should have one, which is wondering. I just always wonder 615 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,559 what Republicans were doing by confirming him, Like it turns 616 00:36:40,599 --> 00:36:43,280 out he was telling the truth there. But he does 617 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,599 have this belief that the clerk calls no great nation 618 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,840 would do this, And there is something so absurd about 619 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920 the fact that there are like a million Chinese citizens 620 00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:58,360 who explicitly, according to the law of their land, have 621 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,920 allegiance to China being able to order mail in ballots 622 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,639 in this country. You know, yeah, no great country would 623 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:09,199 do that. Or there you know, there's a leader of 624 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,960 a Mexican cartel who has American citizenship because he was 625 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,599 born here. There are absurd things that I wonder if 626 00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:25,639 Roberts will deploy his philosophy of no great country can 627 00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:31,079 tolerate this and then for Amy Cooney Barrett, I also 628 00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,960 think she would find that reply brief pretty convincing as 629 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,239 a law professor. And I have no idea on Kavanaugh, sorry, 630 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,920 having written a book about him, I don't know exactly 631 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,559 where he would go. 632 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Randy Barnett, and he wrote 633 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,880 a book I think it's the original meaning of the 634 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,440 fourteenth Amendment or something where. 635 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 3: She does not include anything on this, by the way. 636 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,559 Speaker 1: But go up. I was going to say, I don't 637 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,239 remember his position, but I never I don't remember reading 638 00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:01,000 that he was thought that this was only concerned slaves 639 00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,039 and so on. But I have seen him writing recently 640 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,920 and he seems to have turned a coroner, let's say. 641 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,039 And I think he's become more conservative on it, right, 642 00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:14,119 like he's changed his mind. 643 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,559 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if he has changed his mind 644 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,960 so much. I would say that he was writing a 645 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,719 lot about the previous Fourteenth Amendment cases, and like I said, 646 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,559 this has never hit the court before, so also that's 647 00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:29,199 kind of exciting. That's why I want to be there tomorrow. 648 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,760 You rarely get an opportunity to see something that they 649 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480 have never dealt with in their history, and here we're 650 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,239 going to get a discussion, yeah, on a major issue 651 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,599 that relates to like are you a real republic or not? 652 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,440 And I'm excited to go there. So we'll have to 653 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,039 talk about it next week too. 654 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,599 Speaker 1: To me, it seems the conversion therapy case I'm just 655 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,039 using their nomenclature, is that it is cut and dry 656 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,360 on the First Amendment. Frankly, I just know anyone who 657 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,119 is voting on the wrong side of that, I just 658 00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,320 don't think cares about the Constitution. Roberts hasn't out because 659 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,760 it's not explicitly clear right, there is leeway and it 660 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,280 has and he seems like for lack of a better world, 661 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,159 like a traditionalist or someone who would like because it's 662 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,639 been this way for so long that he may want 663 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,760 to preserve it. That's all. I'm just trying to get 664 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,960 into his mind considering the other things that he's done. Though, 665 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,519 to me, again, it seems like this should be a 666 00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:27,440 matter of voters. Voters should decide who becomes a citizen. 667 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 3: They still could. 668 00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean Congress, Like how I mentioned Congress declared Native 669 00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:40,840 Americans to be citizens decades after the Fourteenth Amendment, right, 670 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,760 Congress has a lot of leeway in terms of who 671 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,199 is a citizen or not. So let's say the Court 672 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,159 does say that children who are born to parents who 673 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:55,199 are here illegally and therefore have allegiance to a different nation, 674 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,880 that they're not citizens, and Congress could immediately say, well, 675 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,039 we're going to grandfather everybody in I'm not saying they should. 676 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 3: But they could easily do that. 677 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 2: They just say going forward, we're not going to do this, 678 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,559 or you know, they can do whatever they want. So 679 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,360 determining that the fourteenth Amendment does not grant you automatic 680 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,800 citizen hood, or they could say anyone who's living here 681 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,960 right now is. 682 00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,159 Speaker 1: Now that you mention it. This could be a sticky 683 00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,679 problem because there are people like let's say my parents 684 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,360 had overstayed their visa when I was born, and so 685 00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:33,039 that means I'm not a citizen, even though I participated 686 00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,320 in all these you know, in citizenship for so long. 687 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,840 That seems like a problem for a lot of people. 688 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,639 I wonder if people would be grandfathered in. 689 00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,199 Speaker 2: I'm just saying Congress would probably have a lot of 690 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400 pressure to to do. 691 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,079 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have all the pressure on earth. They're 692 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,440 not going to do. I just don't see them being 693 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,760 able to do anything here. 694 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 3: Think about we. 695 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 2: Began this discussion by saying, it's a commonly held idea 696 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:02,599 that people who were born here are citizens, right, I 697 00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:04,840 had a couple of years ago everyone already thought they were. 698 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,199 Now when people were like, oh wait, why did I 699 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,440 think that? Where did that idea come from? And realizing 700 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,159 that they just were basically taking a Woodrow Wilson policy 701 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,760 or I don't know, FDR policy and just like deciding 702 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:22,440 that that policy had the strength of permanence. It wouldn't 703 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,079 be that big of a change. It would improve things 704 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,199 going forward. 705 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. 706 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: I said, we're just. 707 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 2: Gonna yeah, now that it's clarified finally for the first 708 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,000 time in history, from this point forward. 709 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,280 Speaker 1: I think people accepted it as true, and I did, 710 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,480 and I believe that it should be grandfather. I believe 711 00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,360 moving forward it should change, not backwards. But I think 712 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,960 it plays on the generosity of the American people right, 713 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,239 just as immigration in general does. But I think people 714 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,559 have taken so much advantage of it that people have 715 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,639 gotten very cynical. Do you want to talk about culture? 716 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 3: I do? I? 717 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: Well, do you have you want to go first? 718 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 3: I was like, I do, but I don't have anything 719 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:05,679 to talk about. 720 00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: Oh is that true? Have you been traveling or I've. 721 00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 3: Been traveling like almost NonStop. 722 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:19,599 Speaker 2: I was out in Arizona after last week's show. I 723 00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,199 flew out to Arizona. Oh, Sean Davis and I hosted 724 00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,400 or No. Sean Davis and I were guests on the 725 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,519 Charlie Kirk Show, which was fun. I always like being 726 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:33,599 out there. I also loved just being in the TPUSA complex. 727 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,599 They have this one room that is just filled with 728 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,559 things that people like old men to young kids sent 729 00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,960 in after Charlie was assassinated, and it was nice to 730 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,559 see it. I mean, multiple purple hearts that men sent in, 731 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,239 and then also little notes to Erica and you know, 732 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,719 crosses and art. Some of the art was quite good, 733 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,800 which I just loved. It was very nice to be 734 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,760 there and see what they're doing. 735 00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 3: And you know, I just I. 736 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,639 Speaker 1: Don't know if we want to talk about this, but 737 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,840 and I will mention names, but last week and I don't. 738 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480 I'm not even a TPUSA fan, hon It's like, it's 739 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,159 like some of the people. I find some of the 740 00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,840 people that they put forward not that great. But just 741 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,880 seeing what's happening to Erica Kirk and what people do 742 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,800 to her is so enraging to me. I've never witnessed 743 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,280 anything like it in my life. And a widow with 744 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,199 two young children just constantly abused by major voices, alleged 745 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,320 conservatives in the media. It's just it's enraging to me. 746 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,559 It's the biggest bullying job I've ever seen in my life, 747 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,920 and I don't know, just hor horrifying to me. I 748 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,239 don't know. 749 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,599 Speaker 3: I think it's evil. 750 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,639 Speaker 2: And if you ever find yourself in a position where, 751 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,400 literally weeks and months after a woman, a young woman 752 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,719 is having to raise her family and carry on her 753 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,039 husband's legacy after watching him be assassinated in public, and 754 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,679 all the horrible stuff associated with that, like the rejoicing 755 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,239 from people on the left, if you find yourself piling 756 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,320 on against that widow, you're in a bad place. 757 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: I tweeted that and it was crazy how many people 758 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,719 attack me on there like they just there are a 759 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,760 bunch of and there a lot of them are women. 760 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,199 Frankly have been convinced. It seems to me that there's 761 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:34,079 something shady going on in this and that she's not 762 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,280 acting right, she's not speaking right. How do you know 763 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,320 how you're supposed to speak after you watch your husband 764 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,760 be assassinated. I don't know what you're how you're supposed 765 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,920 to act. Everyone acts differently, and I don't even know 766 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,599 what they're saying is true. I know there's a lot 767 00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:48,760 of AI slop out there, and you know, edited videos 768 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,440 and this and that. I don't know what they want 769 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,920 from this person this. I just I feel bad for her, 770 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,280 and I agree. I think it's evil, something evil out there. 771 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,800 And I don't know if it's always been there in 772 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,320 America or it's just do we. 773 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,199 Speaker 2: Need It's like it's so I have to guard your 774 00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,400 heart and work on not being that yourself. 775 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: That's why we were just going back to the beginning. 776 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,480 This is why I can't be on social media all 777 00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:16,079 the time, because it's just really a downer anyway, I 778 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:16,400 don't know. 779 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 3: We were out there and then we also had a. 780 00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:20,679 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, is this in Phoenix? Is that where they are? 781 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,119 Speaker 3: Yeah? 782 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,519 Speaker 2: And we had a Federalists summit which was awesome for 783 00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:27,599 multiple reasons. We had some of our supporters out there. 784 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,519 We got to talk to them about what we do 785 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,360 and what we are planning to do. And also, as 786 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,599 you know, the Federalist is a is like a remote 787 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:45,880 staff situation. We have people all over the country Alaska, California, Indiana, 788 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:53,119 New York, Texas. I'm in Virginia, and that means we 789 00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:54,719 don't get a lot of face to face time. So 790 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,239 it was also really great to see wonderful staff. Not 791 00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,320 like everybody got to go, but those of us who 792 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,320 were out there, it was nice to have that fellowship. 793 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,159 Speaker 3: So it was just great. I enjoyed it. 794 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:11,559 Speaker 2: And we really have some great interesting supporters and readers, 795 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,719 and it was very cool to meet them. 796 00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,559 Speaker 1: I enjoy Arizona. I don't love the heat sometimes, but 797 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,719 I enjoy going out there. It's just I like the 798 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,320 vibe out there and that in New Mexico. They're just great, 799 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,960 great places to visit. Oh wait, well yeah, more. 800 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,360 Speaker 2: Then I flew to Denver and I got to see 801 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,559 my nephew get confirmed. 802 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 3: Are not my nephew, he's my cousin's son. And that 803 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:43,079 was fun. 804 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 2: Confirmed in the Lutheran in the Lutheran Church, and it's 805 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,719 always this dramatic thing, like you recite that you would 806 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,280 suffer all, even death, rather than depart from this confession 807 00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,199 of faith. And I always remember when I like casually 808 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,119 was like, oh yeah, totally, I'll suffer all up to death, 809 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,000 you know, and then as you get older you realize 810 00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,800 what you vowed and it just becomes heavier. But it 811 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,960 was beautiful service Palm Sunday, which is the beginning of 812 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000 our Holy Week, and it was nice to be at 813 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,360 the church that my you know, my dad was at. 814 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,199 Speaker 3: Until he died, and that my mom goes to. And 815 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:29,639 this is so unimportant. 816 00:47:29,679 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 2: I don't even know why I'm saying it, but my 817 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,840 mom and I were flying back in the bulkhead seat 818 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,599 right behind a bathroom. And I will admit that she 819 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,239 is she and I are both sensitive to smell. I 820 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:48,000 will admit that. But I think every single person on 821 00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:51,760 the plane used that bathroom at least once. I mean, 822 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,880 it was just non stop in and out, and there 823 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,519 was no there was no bad smell coming out of 824 00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,840 it other than the fragrance that they use switch is overpowering, 825 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:02,360 and I. 826 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,599 Speaker 1: Was like, gives me a migraine. 827 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:10,519 Speaker 2: Light and yeah, anyway, that's my that's how's that for culture? 828 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 1: I wonder if people can tell if we were startling 829 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,639 to find topics. 830 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 2: No, I did do a puzzle a puzzles while I 831 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,000 was out there, and it was you might like this, 832 00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:27,000 not that you're a puzzle person, but it was fifty 833 00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,519 absurd things that are against the law in each state. 834 00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,159 So like about it would be like it's illegal to 835 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,920 ride a camel on the interstate and in missive that 836 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,000 or more, women can't rent an apartment, you know, just whatever. 837 00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: When I wrote my book Nanny State almost twenty years ago, now, 838 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,159 I had a list of those kind of laws. I 839 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,320 always found them quite funny. I actually have a strong 840 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,119 recommend and I might have mentioned this a long time ago, 841 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,559 but I want to say and preface all of this 842 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:02,199 by saying, it's extremely dark this show. It's a dark show. 843 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,599 It's not for children. It is in the i'd say, 844 00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:09,400 breaking bad mold. It's called Mister in Between. Have you 845 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,639 ever heard of this? It's Australian star as a guy 846 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:18,639 named Scott Ryan and he is a it's on Hulu, 847 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,840 I think, and he is a I guess a hit 848 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,639 man sort of. He used to be in the military 849 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,840 and there's something wrong with him morally, but he knows 850 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,800 that and tries to constantly function in the real world. 851 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,000 He has a daughter and all of this, so he's 852 00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:40,400 in between this really ugly underworld and the regular suburban 853 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,920 world he lives in. Now. It kind of sounds tropeish, 854 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,559 I guess in a way, but it's really well done. 855 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:52,199 It's Australian funny. Sometimes as he shows do it gets 856 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,320 darker as it goes on. I think there's three seasons. 857 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,880 They're not very long. I binged it in like a couple, 858 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:01,360 you know, the weekend in a day. I really liked it, 859 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,039 so I would recommend that show. The other thing I did, 860 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,679 and I want to occasionally brandish my cultural my actual 861 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,079 cultural activities. But I went to a place called the 862 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,960 Muscarell Museum of Art in Williamsburg, which is really nice. 863 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,320 It's new. It's on the campus of William William and Mary. 864 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,280 Beautiful facility. If you're into our year around here, you 865 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,000 should go. And I'm a fan of abstract expressionists, and 866 00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:33,840 they had abstract expressionist women and it was a really 867 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:37,920 cool It was a really cool exhibit if you like 868 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,159 that kind of art, like Elaine de Kooning or whatever. 869 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,440 They had those kind of paintings. It's traveling exhibit and 870 00:50:44,599 --> 00:50:48,360 they have a standing exhibit there. That's kind of cool too, 871 00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:50,920 if you're into it. So I just don't want people 872 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,119 to think I watch shows about hitmen all the time. 873 00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:56,639 Occasionally my wife drags me to a museum. 874 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 2: You asked listeners for records on procedurals, and I thought 875 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,559 you got some really good recommendations. And I asked listeners 876 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,280 for thoughtful commentary on the war, and I loved, like 877 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,119 loved the responses I got. 878 00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:17,199 Speaker 1: I just was I found, Yeah, no, we got we 879 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,679 got very thoughtful and long and thought out. I don't 880 00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:22,320 mean long, and in my negative way, I usually complained 881 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,000 to long emai else, remember we need to keep it 882 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,280 under five hundred words. But these were longer and very 883 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,239 well thought out. And I think you asked for that 884 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,079 kind of response people gave it to you. And yeah, 885 00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,639 there were many procedurals. I actually made a list. Mistery 886 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,480 Between might have been on them, I'm not sure, but 887 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,440 so I look forward to watching some of those as well. 888 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,159 On Wednesday night, I'll be speaking at the Virginia Forum 889 00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,760 and the Glent Allen Cultural Center about the history of 890 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,679 guns forged in fire. I think it's called starts at seven. 891 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,800 If you'd like to hear me speak, if you'd like 892 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,760 to reach a show, you can do so at radio 893 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,039 at the Federalist dot Com. We'll have to hear from you, 894 00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:03,480 and we will be back next week. Until then, be 895 00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:05,480 lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray. 896 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:16,679 Speaker 6: Holly came from Miami, FLA hitchhiked away across USA. Plucked 897 00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:19,800 her eyebrows on the way, shaved her legs, and then 898 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,719 he was as she She says, hey, babe, take a 899 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,199 walk on the wild side. He said, hey, honey, take 900 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:34,480 a walk on the wild side.