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and today I have the pleasure of having a drink

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in a chat with a certified Times three dog trainer

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who is gonna tell us all about how context matters

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Speaker 4: Let's Talk Pets on Petlifradio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Covered in pet Haair. I'm your host

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Isabelle Albert, Gerana, and today I'm having a chat about

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contacts and communication with our dogs with Jen Freedblind, who

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is the founder of Jen's Dogs. She is wife to Curtis.

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She is dog mom to three dogs wait for these names, Guys, Shadow,

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Von Wigglesink, Little Lily with the spots, Sir Basil of Waggington.

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Those are her three dogs. She is the founder and

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head trainer at Jen's Dogs. She is Jennifer Freedline. Welcome.

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It's so good to have you on the show, Teh.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, she is the founder behind Jen's Dogs on social media,

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so if you don't follow her, give her a follow.

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Hello Brook, Hello Joe, and thank you for joining us

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on Instagram. Let's see if I see anybody on Facebook

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and YouTube that I recognize.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: I always start this show with the game, and the

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most important game is our drinking game. So anybody at

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home participating in our drinking game. Today's drinking game word

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is the secret word is Jen. So if I say that,

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take a drink of whatever you're joining it could be

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alcoholic beverage, a non alcoholic beverage, a coffee of tea,

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a soda, whatever you're drinking. Just play along. It's fun

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to be engaged while we chat. And I know that

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you are a wine lover. Did you have a chance

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to pour yourself a glass of wine before we went live?

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Speaker 5: I did?

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Yes, she did.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love wine too. And you're in Oregon,

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so I'm sure you have a ton of wineries to visit.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, oh yeah, so right in the middle of

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wine country. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm so jealous. I'm so jealous. I live in Olpasers,

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so I have cacti. I don't have wine. I don't

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have a lot of produce. I mean we can drive

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to it, but here locally we don't have any wine.

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But I mean i get to taste amazing tequila, so

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I'm not one to complain. But I today needed a

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little boost. So I'm having a gatahillyo, which, for those

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of you who are from Spain, are familiar. In Spain,

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when you order a gottahilo, it's usually served in like

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a tiny es bristol cup with a shot of whatever

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liquor you want. Here an Alpasso. Every time I order one,

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they bring it iceed and with liquor forty three. So

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that's how I made it today because I needed a

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little boot.

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Speaker 5: Cheers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being my guest, Thanks for being on

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the show. I'm so excited to chat with you about

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something that is really important, something that I think people

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get wrong a lot, and it's communication with dogs, just

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interacting with dogs. And I don't mean like telepathic animal communication.

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I mean just like regular old I want you to

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do this, and the dogs looking at you like what is?

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What is? What is happening right now? So our first

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game today is called Dogs Speak and it's things humans

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do that dogs don't understand. And it's taken mostly from

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a University of Sydney a blog post about eight things

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we do that really confuse our dogs. Are you ready

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to play? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Ready?

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Speaker 2: All right? We leave them alone? Why does that confuse

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our dogs?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Well, they're social. They're very social creatures. And they

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also don't understand why we want to go. Like they

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don't understand work, but they don't understand like driving. They

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don't understand like going out to eat. They might understand

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that a little bit because they might go to like

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somewhere else to forage. But they don't really understand what we're.

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Speaker 2: Doing when we leave.

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Speaker 5: They don't know we come back smelling like. They don't

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get up these smiles and people and things and places.

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Speaker 2: Yes, actually that brings me to my next one. The

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next one is we change our shape and smell.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, so our fundamental smell can actually change

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not only by what we're eating, how we're feeling, but

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also what we're wearing and where we went.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. How about we watch TV and other visual stimuli.

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They don't get that, according to this article.

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Speaker 5: Actually now they do. Our TVs are so pixelated that

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it moves fast enough for their eyes to pick up

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on it, which is why you may notice increase of

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dogs who are watching TV. In fact, my dog's favorite shows,

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well shadows of Lily's favorite show is Bluey, but Basil

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the Baby prefers Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've only had one pet that enjoyed the TV,

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and it was a cat. Yeah, otherwise they paid no

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attention to it. But I remember pet sitting two puggles

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that everything that happened on the TV, they were super

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aware of it. They saw a dog, they would bark

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they saw, you know, a door, they'd look like, who's there.

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It was really fun to watch because they were in

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my house and I was not used to it. I

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also felt like I was stressing them out, like should

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I turn this off? All right? The next one is

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we hug.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Hugging is not not necessarily something that really falls

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to dogs, just because their bodies are structured differently, so

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they do understand the like pressing of bodies together. They

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just don't understand because we move our arms differently than

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they do. So some dogs will actually pick up that

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trait and hug as they're trying to mimic us. But

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they do like to be close like that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they like to snuggle for sure. Yeah, okay. One

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thing that the article said that made me laugh is

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we don't like to be bitten.

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Speaker 5: Usually dogs don't get that.

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Speaker 2: Dogs are like why not?

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't really I don't really know if

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I would say that dogs particularly like to be bitten either.

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Speaker 2: Well, like more I guess think it's more mouthing like

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you know, how they play bite each other and like,

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we don't like to be slobbered on each other, but

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they kind of amongst each other will slobber and play bite,

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to be bit when puppies are little and they have

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those sharp little teeth like vampires like. I don't enjoy

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that at all. But I always thought that dogs didn't.

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Speaker 5: Like it either. So do dogs like to be mouth

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I think that they like to be mouthed only in play.

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like touch me or grab me or hold me all

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the time, but when I'm like asking for like a

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wrestle matchers of sorts, that I do like it. So

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I think that dogs don't only like it in that context.

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That's a very like exactly context dependent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I think context is really important in all

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of this, right, Like context always matters, and like our

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context and their context is always going to be different completely.

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Speaker 5: We're like practically two different worlds because we both experience

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it differently.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, we experience this differently, which is we don't

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eat from the trash. They don't get it.

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Speaker 5: No, They're like, why did you throw away all of

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this perfectly good stuff? And that's what the one of

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the things that really is probably most misunderstood about dogs.

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They share so much DNA with wolves that people naturally

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assume that they're all hunters and and prey drive is

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definitely a thing for dogs, But they're scavengers. Their whole

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like drive is to feet and to steal end of

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forage and scavenge. So you know, like if all the

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humans disappeared, you know today, you would not find the

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all of the dogs out in the woods. You'd find

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some of them out in the woods. You'd find all

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the terriers, like going to get all the rodents. But

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you know, for the most part, the rest of them,

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they would be going from dumpster to dumpster looking for food.

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Speaker 2: Yes, opportunists. Yeah, absolutely, I completely agree. Okay, so this

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one was interesting. We share territories and they don't get

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it with other humans. With other dogs, we all like

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kind of encroach on each other, and in their minds

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it's like, how dare you?

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I agree with that one. I

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think that they they live in family units and they

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make friends, and they think that they just like ask

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we like to have our separate houses, separate rooms, separate spaces.

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really common areas like dog parks sidewalks.

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Speaker 2: They're comfortable with that idea.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, because it's not really They might

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get a little bit threatened if they feel like somebody

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is getting in their space, but like if I'm sitting

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on the couch and you came to sit on my lap,

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I'd probably like have the snap re action as a dog.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's all about context. Agreed. Well, I know I'm

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guilty of this. We use our hands a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they don't, you know, they don't have hands.

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dogs that are more more posy, and some dogs that

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are more use their nose so there's snout more. But yeah,

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mostly because they just don't don't have hands. So they

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also don't really know what we're doing, and they and

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they go so far that they like it can be surprising.

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Speaker 2: My mom had a neighbor in Florida that was like

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so over the top and like we still talk to her,

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we still love her. Her name is Grace and she

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is just like a walk like just entertainment like performance,

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and every time any dog met her, you could see

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them kind of like every time her hands moved, they'd

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be like because they didn't know what she was doing,

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and she was just so enthusiastic with her hand movement.

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So if you are one of those people, and there

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are many of us out there, when you meet a

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new dog, maybe it's best to kind of like tone

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it down a little bit, only use your voice. Would

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you recommend that, would you agree.

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Speaker 5: To some extent? To some extent, but I really would

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only do that if you notice that a dog is

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startled by your movement. Otherwise, be natural would be you,

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because if you start changing, if you're like, okay, I'm

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gonna like sit here with my arms down to my

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side and I'm gonna like hold my hands like this,

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and I'm gonna like be up like this, the dog,

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we're gonna be like, why are you so tits? What's

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going on?

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's, as I say.

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Speaker 5: Be natural, unless you like notice a dog is reacting

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to your hands speak, and then you can say, oh, okay,

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I'll just like it a little quieter.

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Speaker 2: I like that. I've never heard it called hands speak.

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I do a lot of hand speaking, so I get

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it all right. Next one, speaking of things that are

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a little over the top, yelling, yelling in communication amongst.

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Speaker 5: Each other, I mean dogs bark at each other and

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I usually call that yelling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you think that they get it.

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Speaker 5: I think we do because like a lot of times,

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if my dogs are well, for my dogs, you know,

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every time they're they're yelling or they're barking, it's usually

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because somebody's yelling outside. Yeah, They're like, oh, you're you're

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gonna bark, so I'm gonna bark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love when people yell at their dogs for barking,

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and now everybody's yelling. And I always tell my husband

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because my husband is and I've said this before and

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he will not be surprised to be here because again

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that he's like the worst dog trainer I've ever encountered,

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and like it leads over to his parenting too. I'll

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be like, that is not like you're missing the point,

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like when you yell at them for yelling, like I

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feel like nobody's really learning any thing right. And it

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happens with both our dogs. He doesn't really discipline our cat,

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like our cat has carte blanche here from all of us,

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but like yelling that the barking dog definitely doesn't make sense.

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And another thing he does, which is next on my

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list is lecturing dogs like he'll I remember we had

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we had a dog named Radar who was like this

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was like this dog was just like the best, and

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he was like the boss of all the dogs. And

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Chris would say to him, young man, and I would

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look at him, like, who are you talking to? So lecturing?

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Does that does that make any impact our on our

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dogs at all?

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Speaker 5: Yes, the probably not in the way that we actually

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think it does. So like there's a reason why my

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dogs have long names that I could call them, but

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they're ug names lecturing. And I also, you know, sometimes

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we those lectures I call them when I talked to

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my dogs, I call them a come to gen talc.

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we're gonna talk about it about you know why I

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have an issue, and it's Morstley is just a way

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for us to kind of reason it out. The dogs

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may or may not understand. They probably understand more words

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than we give them credit for, and there's no way

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to really truly test if they know the words or not,

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but they recognize intent. So if you're like talking to

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them and you're really earnest and you're like, okay, look,

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I really don't like being fit. I really don't like this.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that.

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Speaker 5: I don't like this. They're gonna sit there and they're

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gonna look at you and be like and feel this

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like you're serious. They're just gonna be able to like

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kind of pick up on you know, your intent. They

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have no idea what you're saying. It might sound like,

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you know, like the wah wah wanh wanh want, but

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they for a minute, you know, like Basil, he you know,

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talks and then he looks all like curious and like

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labby and he's all like, I'm sorry, and then he's

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right back to the lostar raptor. So I mean for

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two seconds. But I don't think they like are sitting

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later and processing and going hmm they said not to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so no different than our children then, because my kids,

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every time he lectures them, I'm like, they have checked out. Yeah,

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they have no idea what you're saying anymore. They're just

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looking at you and noticing that you're like your cheeks

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are red, and like noticing that like your shirt has

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a stain on it. Like my kids already went into

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like another dimension. And I mean, I can't blame them

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because the lecturing doesn't work for me either.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you talks about names, you know how people do that?

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Speaker 2: And this was not part of the article, but this

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is something that I feel like I see happen a lot.

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are doing something wrong. Does that confuse the dog, because

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like it would confuse me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's like that's usually why people end up

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seeking training, because they spend a lot of time teaching

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their puppy like this is your name, and they're all

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like super excited. But then the dog hits like teenage

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years and becomes an adolescent and is now like a

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teenage terror and every time they say their dog's name,

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it's like you know, mean and gruff and stern, and

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they aren't actually like saying what they mean, they're just

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calling the dog's name. And so now the dog's like, okay,

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if you say my name, I must be in like

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trouble and they like run away. And then people are like,

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you know, oh, so they don't follow my commands and

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they don't like they don't do this stuff, and then

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like they come to the training and they're just sitting

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there like saying the dog's name.

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Speaker 2: Like rap Ra. Yeah, that's like And that's why that's

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why communication is so important. Like if you're if you

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want them to drop something on a walk, you don't

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say their name, you say leave it or drop it

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or whatever you've viewed them to do. But if you're

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just screaming sad bro as you're putting your hands in

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their mouth, I don't feel like it's super effective. But

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I see it happen all the time. And one that

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I also see happen, and this is our last one

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for the game, is punishment. Do dogs get confused when

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they get punished?

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Speaker 5: Well, yes and no. So punishment is part of learning

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theory right punishment is to suppress behavior to stop the

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behavior from happening. The tricky part is that punishment it

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doesn't matter if you intended to be punishment or not.

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also depends on what they were doing immediately before or

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during the time that the punishment was administered. So if

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you're mad at your dog for getting into the trash

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while you are gone to the store, and then you

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call your dog over and then you start, let's just

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for you know, for fun's sake, let's lecture them where

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we're saying their name and we're talking really sternly at them,

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and we're intending to suppress the behavior. If the dog

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is really sensitive, and now that I feel like, well,

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you came home and now you're yelling at me, you know,

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and they and they start to feel that then you

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didn't really punish what you intended. You punished what immediately happened,

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which was coming to greet you. So it's like, so

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punishment does work. That's part of learning theory, Like it

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works for us too. If you put your hands in

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the hot stove, you quickly learn not to do that

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anymore because you've got immediate punishment of putting your hand

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on the hot stove. You know, hopefully it's not not

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a trip to the hospital kind of punishment, but you

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know it's still I mean, even if it was like,

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you know, just still slightly warm, it's still gonna startle you.

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So punishment like it works, but you know it's it's not.

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It's really tricky because if you're not giving punishment that

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the dog takes as punishment at the time, that the

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behavior is happening or the thing is happening, then they're

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not gonna tie this punishment you're giving to them now

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to the h being on the floor, and they're gonna

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be scared because.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, And it like a bond with them, which

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is something that you are really big on. And it

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reminds me of parenting too, when it's like I try

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to find the natural consequence of things like being burned,

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because the punishment just kind of it. Either if it's

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taking away screens, then now it's a punishment for me too.

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And if it's like I'm not gonna punish with food

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because I don't want them to have a bad relationship

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with food. So punishment gets really really tricky with humans,

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so you can only imagine how tricky it is when

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you're dealing with another species that doesn't speak the same

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language or communicate in the same way. So thank you

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for that. That was super insightful. I loved it, and

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I did a lot of research, as I do in

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preparation for my show, and I read on your website

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that you got your start in dog training in something

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you referred to as emotional recovery for dogs. Would you

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mind kind of going into what that means to you

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and why you were attracted to that part of dog training.

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Speaker 5: Sure, so the day that I started my dog training

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career was also the day that I adopted a highly

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reactive six month old dog that had a massive amount

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of trauma in their for their first six months. Like this,

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this poor this poor kid, Like, oh my gosh, she

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had so much. So of course, as a first starting out,

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I had understood the basic you know, task training and skills.

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That's what I had gone to a program through the

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company that I worked with, and so I was teaching

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you know, basic manners classes and beginner classes, puppy classes

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and things like that up to the CGC, and I

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did some of that task training with our dog, Raisin.

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But I immediately started to notice that like, she was

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smart as a whip, she was a working line dog,

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she was a duck lab American lab on the hunting lab,

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and she was amazing. She was incredibly smart, great problems solved,

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figured out all the puzzles. But this task training was

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like just like, couldn't couldn't land on her. So I

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immediately started looking into there's got to be something beyond

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just skill and task and so I immediately started reading all

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the books I could about how dogs think, how dogs learn,

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how dogs feel. So the first one that I read,

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it was about a week into my career, and it

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changed everything was How Dogs Love Us by Gregory Burns.

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He was not a dog trainer, he was, you know,

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not even in the pet industry, and he was just

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really curious about how to get his dog into MRI

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machine without putting the dog to sleep. And so he

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he did that and and I would. And that particular

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book is great because it's not super science y, you know,

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so I wasn't really well versed in science. You know,

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I read it.

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Speaker 2: Now he does the whole whole like how long it

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took to train them to lay down all that stuff? Right?

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And what the what they found in the MRIs Is

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that right? I remember it, curly, Yes, I remember reading

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that book. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was life changing for me. And that

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was and that was it. And once I started like

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kind of thinking about that and going down that path,

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and then you know, finding other trainers who cared about

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the emotional experience of dogs, and we're talking about going

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beyond the operat and we're talking about like these emotions,

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and we started reading about Now I understand science a

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lot more that could handle a sciencey read. But you know,

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seven years ago I was like, oh, I don't know.

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So I really liked how conversational it was. And that

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was what really helped us find relief of being able

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to help her regulate her emotions and resolve her emotions

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that so that she could be in a thinking learning brain.

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And then the task and skill training was was a brief.

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She actually became my demo dog at my previous facility.

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So she went to work with me, and she was reactive,

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but she wasn't traditionally reactive, so like she could be anywhere.

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She didn't care about other dogs, she didn't care about

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you know, all of her turmoil really was just in

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her own head. The poor girl, isn't it all?

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Speaker 2: Like I say, take that on too. All my crothes

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inside too.

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Speaker 5: Usually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she you that is super cool that she

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was able to get to a point where she was

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comfortable in a like a really dynamic environment, which is

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like a training like center or dog training facility is

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really ever changing.

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Speaker 5: She really needed a job, so of course, like once

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she realized that she had to learn this stuff in

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order to be able to do this job. I mean,

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she she really took to it, she really loved it.

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And then you know, I mean I gave her the

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freedom as you would any coworker. You know, I didn't say, Okay,

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you ready to go to work, and she'd run upstairs

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and dive into the bed and under the covers, and

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I'm like, okay, I guess you're not going to work today.

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I say personal days. Yeah. So she, uh, she worked

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really hard and unfortunately, like she was kind of my

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my experimental dog, and she died really young. She got

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really sick all of a sudden, and we think that

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that is probably due to the amount of stress that

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she was in. So that just kind of doubled my efforts.

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I had already at that point started Gen's dogs, and

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so I was able. That's why was because I needed

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to be able to get out of underneath somebody else's

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curriculum and somebody else's thumb so that I could develop

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my own curriculum and my own where I could actually

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get to where people who needed me and be able

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to help them.

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Speaker 1: What I do.

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Speaker 2: How does working with a reactive dog today impact the

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methods that you use.

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Speaker 5: I'm force free and i'm positive reinforcement. But really we

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start with that first, a vet check. You know, we

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have a long conversation, we break it down, we talk

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about all the behavior that's happening, and then we start

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with a vet check. What's going on is a sudden

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you know, do you have a clear idea of when

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00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,640
this started? And if you don't and it just seemed

476
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640
to come out of the blue, let's get a vet check.

477
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Make sure there's no pain. Because I don't know about

478
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,279
anyone else, but if I'm in pain, I don't have

479
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:21,319
any spoons to be nice to anybody. So, you know,

480
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,440
we'll get a vet check, and then then we'll start

481
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,559
with just the management. You know, a lot of times

482
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:29,960
when people come to me, they've like done so much,

483
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:33,480
and they're doing so much, but it's not necessarily effective.

484
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,200
So we fine tune and tweak their management so we

485
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,839
can prevent any of the reactive behavior, dangerous behavior, or

486
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,759
fear that the dog is experiencing. And we just tweak

487
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:46,319
it so that they just start to feel a little

488
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:48,799
bit more comfortable and they're not triggered. We reduce their

489
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:52,440
triggers so that they're not getting these stress hormones released

490
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,799
in their brain repeatedly. And then of course, you know,

491
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,039
we just try to have fun, like find some things

492
00:25:58,079 --> 00:26:00,680
that you guys like to do together. Let's looking at

493
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240
our dogs as what they are, which is a different

494
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,400
species and all of these things that confuse them about us.

495
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Let's start. Let's start helping them to have species typical

496
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,640
outlets for their behavior. And let's make sure that the

497
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,559
reason why they are acting out is not from unmet needs,

498
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,000
and I would be their needs. And then sometimes I'll

499
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:24,640
do a little bit of task training just to give

500
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,920
the guardians like a really quick, like immediate action to

501
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:32,440
be able to interrupt or redirect or to give immediate relief,

502
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,079
so if they just start to feel like they have

503
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,000
something that they can do. And then we start working

504
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:42,039
on their emotional regulation piece, and that part gets pretty tricky.

505
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,480
You know, it's therapy.

506
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,599
Speaker 2: It's tricky for humans. So I can only imagine like

507
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,400
I'm raising two small children and there is zero emotional regulation,

508
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,319
and so they understand and I can reason with them

509
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,599
right like this is I know it's been a long day,

510
00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,079
but you know we need to go see your great

511
00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:01,599
grandmother or whatever. I can't reason with a dog like that,

512
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,559
So it's got to be a challenge. And do you

513
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,160
find that the pet parents, the guardians of reactive dogs

514
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,799
that work with you take a while to kind of

515
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:15,920
understand where their dogs are based on maybe like preconceived

516
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,400
notions of what dogs are and how they operate.

517
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 5: Sometimes it comes in waves. It comes in waves. So

518
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,400
sometimes there's the initial contact and then you know, we

519
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960
have the this is what we what we do, and

520
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,119
then like maybe because they're just like a little bit

521
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359
more mindful of it, so they're like really paying attention

522
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,599
to what's going on with their dog, and so then

523
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,240
they like they might have a little bit of a

524
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,160
relief from the reactivity or the fear base or whatever.

525
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,359
Then they're like, oh, they'll like kind of put off

526
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,400
like starting their program or whatever, and then like the

527
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,599
behaviors of the triggers sack up again. And then they

528
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,160
finally like they're like they take the plunge and then

529
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,440
they're like they're like, Okay, this all makes sense. This

530
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:53,759
all makes sense. This all makes sense. And then and

531
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,960
then like something will happen that's just kind of like

532
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,400
out in left field. They don't see the connectivity of it,

533
00:27:58,759 --> 00:28:01,160
and so then they're like, this is not related, and

534
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,279
I'm like, it is, but it's like a constant thing

535
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,279
like something else, you know, for me when I learned,

536
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,240
when I went through the process of learning, and when

537
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:16,079
I read the books like about even like neurobiology and

538
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680
all of this other stuff and how dogs think and

539
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,559
ethology and all of this stuff that we all of

540
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,680
these extress factor and jogs was the one that I

541
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,240
just read. It's like all these little light bulbs just

542
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,400
this kind of go off, and I'm like, oh, that

543
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,559
makes sense now, you know, like just kind of fills

544
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,079
in like the different puzzle pieces. And that's kind of

545
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,000
what I really help the guardians with because my programs

546
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:38,799
are not like I come in and just tell you

547
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,119
what to do, right, to talk about this is where

548
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,000
we are and that's where we want to be. Here's

549
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:46,839
some suggestions like how do you how can you get there?

550
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,119
And I just help them to kind of adjust the

551
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:50,839
way that they look at their dogs. And it comes

552
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,319
in ways. Sometimes they're like I'm ready to throw out

553
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:55,759
everything I know and you just mould me from fresh clay.

554
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,880
And sometimes they're like really really like already been fired,

555
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400
like you know, through the kiln and it's like, now

556
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,960
I gotta like find a way to like kind of

557
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,240
chip off this part and then glew it back together.

558
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that if you haven't, if a

559
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,480
guardian hasn't had a reactive dog, they have no idea

560
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,839
what a reactive dog, the impact that a reactive dog

561
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,960
can have on the life, the harmony of the home.

562
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,640
I had a reactive dog and it was constant stress,

563
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,880
and I waited too long to muzzle train her. I've

564
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,559
talked about this before, and I worked with a lot

565
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,119
of trainers and one of the things that we did

566
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,359
wrong first was use aversives for her. She was six

567
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,480
months old and I didn't know any better at the time.

568
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,680
This was a very long time ago, and you know,

569
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,039
I can look back and see all the things I

570
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,799
did wrong and all the things I could have done better.

571
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:50,279
But now, if I were to encounter another reactive dog,

572
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:52,799
first of all, I'd try to avoid it because it

573
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,079
is a lot. But second, let's say I just happened

574
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,160
to end up with a reactive dog, I would know

575
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,319
be bet ter what to expect because I really went

576
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,519
from like passive, assertive fun dogs dogs that ram the

577
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,359
Gamut never had a reactive dog really to the point

578
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,559
where they were not able to really comfortably be in public.

579
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,319
And then I got socks and it was like whoa.

580
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,319
And I think that happens to a lot of people

581
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,759
with their first reactive dog. And I think it's probably

582
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,119
hard for you to convince the people who have had

583
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,279
twenty dogs that this is not that unusual. You just

584
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,839
have been lucky thus far, yep, and now you need

585
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,720
a different approach. Yeah.

586
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: The big thing that I kind of point out is

587
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,519
that the environment that people are living in now is

588
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,920
completely different. The genetics of their dogs is slightly different,

589
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,440
the learning of their current dog is different, you know,

590
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,799
and the self like the personality, so like, there's a

591
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,079
lot that goes into that. I just I don't usually,

592
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,880
you know, focus too much on like, you know, everything

593
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,480
that we've been And there's also like new science, right there's, right,

594
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:05,960
the biggest challenges that people have had this long history

595
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,480
of the past fifty years or so of being told

596
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:11,160
this is the way a dog is. They don't have emotions,

597
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,559
they don't have you know, they just they're just subservient.

598
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
You have to be you know, all of these you know,

599
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,119
myths or studies that have been that never really happened,

600
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,039
these like ideas, and then you know the that have

601
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,599
been debumped, you know, like dominance, Siri and Alpha. There's

602
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,319
just a lot of people that when they have a

603
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:32,000
reactive dog, they think they just have to be firmer

604
00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:35,440
and more and more and more, and like like you said,

605
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,799
like I did, the same thing went with Raisin. You know,

606
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,599
when I was a baby trainer, you know, she came

607
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,960
with a shot collar for barking, and I didn't know,

608
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,400
you know, I didn't I didn't know. You know, I

609
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,079
would never forget the day that that we stopped using

610
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640
the bark collar. You know, it was one that it

611
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,319
started with like a little vibration and then if like

612
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,519
within ten seconds there was another sound, it would go

613
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,039
to level one, and then in ten seconds it would

614
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,960
go to level two, and then in ten seconds if

615
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,400
there was still barking, it would just continue to increase.

616
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,400
And one day, like she had it on and she

617
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:16,599
gave a bark and it vibrated and it surprised her,

618
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:20,839
so she whined. So it did level one and then

619
00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:25,839
she ran away and I was calling her and she

620
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,599
wasn't making noise.

621
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: I was calling her.

622
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,559
Speaker 5: So it went to level two and then at that

623
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,359
point it was it was fairly old and so then

624
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,599
it like the sound of the vibration of the shock

625
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:39,680
set it off to a flour and then she yelped.

626
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,359
So it went to five and then before we even

627
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,039
within like thirty seconds, it seemed like it was already

628
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,400
up to like the fullest and she was like running

629
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,279
away from it. I couldn't get to her, and it

630
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,599
was just like and I just like finally got her

631
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:58,079
and she was just a puddle on the floor. Oh,

632
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:04,440
and I was like, oh god, what, yeah has happened?

633
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,759
And I felt so bad. And you know, we all

634
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,799
we all make mistakes. We only know what we know

635
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,319
until we grow and so yeah, we just you know,

636
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,880
that's what are you supposed to to do? So we

637
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,640
get that's what the general idea of dogs is is

638
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,240
that you have to be bigger, meaner, stronger than then

639
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680
for all of this, right, Like you have to do

640
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,599
it and that's a hard one, that's what they People

641
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:36,400
feel that way. But they're doing this and they feel

642
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,440
the way that I do. They're like, this doesn't feel right. Yeah,

643
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,039
all the same, I was working with a dog trainer.

644
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was working with a dog trainer with a

645
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,480
shot collar and like an e fence, an electric fence,

646
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,440
And I was training with with one dog in the

647
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,039
front and my then partner was training with the other

648
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:53,799
dog in the back, and I could hear the dog

649
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,799
in the back yelping when every time he crossed the threshold,

650
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,440
and I was just like, shut it down, shut it down. Yeah,

651
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,599
I don't know anything, but I know that this is

652
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,240
not it. And so we luckily, like at some point

653
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,480
stopped it. But I think we had already done some

654
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,360
damage by, you know, putting a reactive dog in a

655
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,639
situation where she was super confused as to why she

656
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,119
was getting shocked and pup up, up, up buck, because again,

657
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,039
context is everything, and I couldn't explain the context to her.

658
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,039
So I mean, there are excellent dog trainers out there.

659
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,639
There are lots of methods out there. I know so

660
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,159
many everybody who's been on my show. I would endorse

661
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,400
as a dog trainer for anybody who was looking to

662
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,199
work with somebody. But I obviously a lot of pet

663
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,079
parents guardians don't know what to look for in a

664
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:38,920
dog trainer. So I'm going to point out all of

665
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,119
the acronyms that you have listed by your name. Yeah,

666
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,559
would you mind telling us what they are and why

667
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:46,599
they're important to you?

668
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:49,639
Speaker 5: Sure? So I'll start with while they're important to me,

669
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,719
And the big reason why they're important to me is

670
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,440
because the pet industry is completely unregulated. The actually not completely.

671
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,360
If you're doing pet food, there's a a lot of

672
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,039
regulations on that, but if you're actually working with the living,

673
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:08,199
breathing animal in front of you, there's no regulation. So

674
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,320
literally anyone can start a business and a lot of

675
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,159
people in the peat industry they don't even get a

676
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,519
register in LLC or get insurance. So the reason why

677
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,440
my certifications are important to me is because it shows

678
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,199
that I have taken the time to get learning and

679
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,559
to prove that I know and get testing that I

680
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:38,079
know what I'm doing, so that it gives the clients

681
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,039
a some protection. That's really what all of licensing is

682
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,559
all about, is it gives the consumer protection. So if

683
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:49,400
something that I do is outside of the ethics of

684
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,000
the organization, I can be reported and I can have

685
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,880
my certifications taken away. Of course I can still do business,

686
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,039
but that's why it's important to me. So I am

687
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,320
a cd CCA that's as certified Behavior Consultant K nine

688
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:09,320
Knowledge Assessed. I'm a cpdt KA, which is a Certified

689
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,800
Professional Dog Trainer Knowledge Assessed, and both of those are

690
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,639
through the Certification Council of Professional Dog Trainers, which is

691
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:24,199
an international organization, and that is strictly a testing organization.

692
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,920
All they do is they just test your knowledge, so

693
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,519
you don't have to you do agree to follow what

694
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:35,039
they call LIMA, which is very at least intrusive mentally aversive,

695
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:39,039
and that is what we follow through those that betcheck

696
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:43,000
is first, and then management and meeting species typical needs

697
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:49,760
as positive reinforcement and so forth. Does not endorse positive punishment.

698
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,679
If it's the like a roadmap, and before the positive

699
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,559
punishment methods there's a huge stop sign, so it means

700
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,000
that we're going to start from the lowest end and

701
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,159
we're going to work our way, and that's as far

702
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,800
as we're going to go. But if you are following those,

703
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,000
then you don't ever have to go any further. Really,

704
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,760
they're not guiding principles as far as the they're not

705
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,000
going to tell you what methods to use. All they're

706
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,159
doing is making sure that you understand learning theory, ethology,

707
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,920
and your neurobiology of dogs and behavior of dogs, emotions

708
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,039
of dogs, all of that stuff. So for professional dog

709
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:29,800
training and for behavior consulting. The last one is a

710
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,039
certified FDM. That's Family Dog Mediator and that's a program

711
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,840
that is offered through Kim Brophy, is designed by her.

712
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,360
She's an mythologist. She does how you can also become

713
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,360
a licensed FDM. I haven't taken that step yet, but

714
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,440
really that means that that is a teaching course, a

715
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,480
learning course that I took with testing throughout in order

716
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,719
to gain that certification and pass. And the big thing

717
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,519
about the FDM model is the legs model. So you're

718
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,880
looking at a dog on all four legs, and that's

719
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,679
the learning of the dog, the environment the dog lives in,

720
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,519
the genetics of the dog, and then the self like

721
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:12,840
who is the dog outside of those things? So it's

722
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:18,440
not a necessarily a training certification that one. That one

723
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:22,039
just says that I understand the mythology of your dog

724
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:26,199
a little bit better. Yeah, so I'm able to help you,

725
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,039
Like why why is your German Shepherd barking at everybody? Yeah?

726
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:32,599
You know? Why is your Golden.

727
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Retriever always has something in its mouth? We're putting things

728
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239
into context for us humans. Yes, I feel like that

729
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,440
is this is new to me. FDM is new to me,

730
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,039
which is one of the reasons I wanted to ask

731
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,079
you about that. I had not heard of that training program.

732
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,320
I love the four legs idea. I love the it

733
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,760
sounds more holistic than just the brain, because the brain

734
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,119
is one part. We can't control the brain. We can, however,

735
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,400
sometimes control the environment. So there's a lot at play,

736
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:03,039
and I that there are different aspects. I want to

737
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,079
invite you to play a second game with me, which

738
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,719
is a perfect segue, because this is called quip and Fetch.

739
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,960
And while you have been trained by excellent dog trainers,

740
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,079
and I'm sure you've mentored many yourself, there are some

741
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,960
quips that you are using, that you have used on

742
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,320
your social media that called my attention, and they're cute

743
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:26,519
and they're fun, and they're they're really I find them

744
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:30,760
to be really intentional and positive, so I can't include them.

745
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,360
And some of these are by you, and some of

746
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,360
these are by your team. So the first one I

747
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,880
got in this Quip and Fetch is from Sarah, one

748
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,360
of your dog trainers, that says, be patient with yourself

749
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:45,519
what does that mean to you as a dog trainer.

750
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,199
Speaker 5: So to be patient with yourself, you have to give

751
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,760
yourself grace and slow yourself down. As humans, we have

752
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,599
a tendency that as soon as we do something once,

753
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,360
or we teach something once, or we see a dog

754
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,519
do something once, we just say okay, you can do it,

755
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:09,800
and then we immediately raise the criteria and then we go, oh, wait, wait,

756
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,840
and we're confused why they don't know how to sit

757
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,800
for five minutes when we just taught about to sit

758
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:20,760
for one second. So be patient with yourself and keep it,

759
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,119
keep it slow so that you allow yourself the time

760
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,719
to build good, healthy habits. But also understand that you're

761
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,480
going to make mistakes. So when you make mistakes, like now,

762
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:35,360
am I done to sit for five minutes? Even though

763
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,599
I just taught them to sit for one second? Like,

764
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,800
understand that that's a common mistake that humans make. And

765
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,400
you know, have that grace and patience with yourself. Yes, absolutely.

766
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,679
Speaker 2: I mean no human I know has ever been told

767
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,760
to do something one time and got it immediately, Like

768
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,840
I have asked my husband to unload the dishwasher a

769
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,760
certain way every single day of our existence, and it's

770
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,280
still not being unloaded the way that I think is

771
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,639
the best way to do it. And we're both of

772
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:05,840
the same age, about the same education level and all that.

773
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,400
So when he tells me also about something that I

774
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,800
have no interest in, I'm not going to learn it

775
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,480
immediately because I don't like football, I don't care, I

776
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,119
don't know, I don't care. And so you can tell

777
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,239
me once, you can tell me ten times. If you

778
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,559
don't put in a context that I understand and care about,

779
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,639
I'm not gonna get it. So, yes, patients all around,

780
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,760
for sure, all right, Shay said, And training sessions on

781
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,000
a positive.

782
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,559
Speaker 5: Note, m h absolutely, Why is that important? Because if

783
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,199
it wasn't fun, you're not gonna do it again, and

784
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,280
if you weren't successful, you're not gonna do it again.

785
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,440
You know, Like that's just really important. And that's also

786
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,679
a good reminder to end while it's still fun and

787
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,079
that you are still successful. Yeah, training fatigue and practice

788
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:56,880
fatigue is a real thing. And so if you're pushing

789
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,119
your dog and you're not or you're pushing yourself and

790
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,800
you're not recognizing the signs that you're starting to get fatigued,

791
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:06,719
then it's gonna end, and you're gonna be like, well,

792
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,920
that was awful, and then what's going to happen the

793
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,920
next time you want to train?

794
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 2: You're not gonna want to whoa, it's gonna be such

795
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:17,639
a drag. Yeah, really like celebrating and then calling it

796
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,039
quits for that one time. You said in one of

797
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,400
your quotes or quips, is set one goal at a time?

798
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You can only really do as much

799
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,599
as you know the workforce, uh and and all of

800
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,280
us entrepreneurs want to think that we're really great at multitasking. Essentially,

801
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,000
we really only can do one thing at a time,

802
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,199
so you might as well put your all into this

803
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,880
one thing and then then move on and break it down.

804
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,480
You think as having your dog sit for five minutes

805
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,039
is one goal. That's not that's not really it's not.

806
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:57,320
That's like a thousand goals, all right, multi to one.

807
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,719
Your first goal should be to set for one second

808
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,639
and then maybe sit for five seconds and break it

809
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,239
down into one goal at a time.

810
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I love that. Yes, Rome was not built in a day, right,

811
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,920
so neither is your dog. Your dog's training is not

812
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:16,039
gonna happen like this. Safety first fun always tell us

813
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:16,519
about that.

814
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 5: Oh. Yes, Well, many people who you know, what do

815
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:23,639
you call them adrenaline junkies and they want to go

816
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,400
in bungee jump and free and jump off of the

817
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,880
skydive and do all of that stuff. Yeah, I bet

818
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,800
they're doing it with a lot of safety protocols in place,

819
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:37,320
whether they want to admit it or not. So if

820
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,480
you're doing something that's dangerous where there's potential for harm,

821
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,119
then it's really not going to be that fun, no

822
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,360
matter how scared you want to be, because if you

823
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,079
hurt yourself, that's really not going to be fun. Yes,

824
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,679
so always always make sure that you're playing it safe

825
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:58,119
whether you are. And dogs, you know, they they have

826
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:02,480
emotions and they can get overwhelm and you know, safety

827
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,599
doesn't always mean like muzzle training a dog who might

828
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:07,800
bite or pick up things that they're not supposed to,

829
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,440
like eating rocks. It also could just be being safe

830
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,480
with your connection with your dog and ending on that

831
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:21,239
positive note so that you're not getting into a dangerous

832
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,079
territory and damaging your relationship or that you feel insecure.

833
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,199
If your dog is like we all of a sudden

834
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,440
not listening to you, that damages your relationship.

835
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was immediately thought about like a safe environment, right,

836
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,239
like if they're learning something and there's just like a

837
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,639
trash truck booming down the street or you know, a

838
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,360
child crying like environment, Like if they don't feel safe

839
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,679
in that environment, that probably isn't the best place to train.

840
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,039
And I feel the same way with like my kids

841
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:55,920
or with myself, like if if you're if I'm gonna

842
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,000
learn something, it's not gonna be when I feel like

843
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,760
my life is that we're like I'm not gonna learn anything.

844
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,159
I'm gonna be completely shut down, survival mode. Save me please.

845
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,159
So I think it's really important to remind people that

846
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,360
safety is not just about how we feel safe with

847
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,559
interacting with our dogs, but how they feel in their

848
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:16,159
environment and with us. Like you said that bond that's

849
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:21,280
so important. Then you say happy dogs, happier homes. Tell

850
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,440
us about that philosophy seems simple enough.

851
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: My dogs are not happy and they're mad and they're

852
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,000
yelling and everything. I mean, heightened emotions are contagious. You know,

853
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,760
it goes in the same vein of like if everybody

854
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,000
else in the house is happy, then they're gonna be

855
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,480
content and they're not gonna bother.

856
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:43,199
Speaker 2: It's true. Heightened emotions are contagious. I love that. That

857
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,639
is such a good you see, you're good at these

858
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:49,119
little quips, these little reminders. I like this. Train hard,

859
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,039
rest easy.

860
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that one's a good one. That's all about balance,

861
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,000
you know, you know, training hard. Let's everybody thinks, oh,

862
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,800
we've gotta work our dogs. You know, we've got to

863
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,920
exercise our dog. Tired dogs a good dog. That doesn't

864
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,360
mean necessarily run them and turn them into athletes. But

865
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,400
if you train diligently and you really are careful with

866
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,880
your training, then your dog builds safety and security in

867
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,760
knowing exactly what the clear path to success is. So

868
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,159
they feel comfortable, confident and safe to be able to

869
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,360
take a nap and rest because they know what the

870
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,639
rules are. So being able to, you know, be diligent

871
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,599
about your training just allows for everyone to know where

872
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:33,679
the boundaries are.

873
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, consistency and safety kind of go hand in hand.

874
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,920
Or paw and pie if you will last one eager

875
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,360
minds wagging tails.

876
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, puppies especially, but dogs in general, you know,

877
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,639
they want to learn. You know, what is it that

878
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:53,320
people usually say the dog wants to please us? They

879
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,800
just they want to be successful. They know they live

880
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,639
in a human habitat, and they really are designed for

881
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:04,320
twenty years, twenty thousand years to like be our companions,

882
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,039
so they want to work with us. They just waiting

883
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:10,239
for you to tell them what to do. And especially

884
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,760
now in this environment, like it becomes fewer and fewer

885
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,360
and fewer people have working dogs or jobs for their

886
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,960
working dogs. But we have working.

887
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,199
Speaker 2: Dogs dogs I have.

888
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 5: I have two working line dogs. I have a long

889
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,320
coat donation and an English lab you know, so thankfully,

890
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,239
like they have eured out their jobs. Well, Basil's still

891
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,199
the puppy, but you know, they just are waiting to

892
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,719
know what is our job? What are we supposed to do?

893
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,760
Tell us what to do? And they are little sponges,

894
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,519
so you know, there's so much that you can teach them,

895
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,360
and that again just leads to a clear path to

896
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,639
success and they're happy to work. That goes in with

897
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,920
that balance too. It's not just like let's run as

898
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:58,239
much as we can. Let's work our minds, you know, yes, yes,

899
00:47:58,559 --> 00:47:59,679
work has like.

900
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: This annotation in the human world where it's like physical

901
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,880
labor or like intense like you know, data entry or whatever.

902
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,639
The work is and for dogs it could be as

903
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,400
something as as minor is, like foraging right for like

904
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,840
their food, Like that could be work for them, something

905
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,159
as simple as that or or yes, like nose work

906
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:22,760
outside or agility training or barn hunt or a million

907
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,400
different things out there that most pet parents aren't even

908
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,199
aware of. But like at something at home is just

909
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,480
taking a walk and letting them sniff or whatever to

910
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,159
like get their mind going. And it's and it's interesting

911
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:37,159
because I too have two working dogs, and like, yeah,

912
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,199
they don't have a job other than to wait for

913
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,239
me for our walk every afternoon. Now this time of year,

914
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,800
it's in the afternoon. In the summer, it's in the morning,

915
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,880
and like that is they take that job so seriously

916
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,239
and they are not pleased with the day until that

917
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,880
work is done. It's like they punch in for the walk,

918
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,679
they punch out, and now everything's cool. But until that happens,

919
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,000
it is definitely on the agency and they will not

920
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,000
forget about it. So it's interesting how you said we

921
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:06,199
all have working dogs, but we're not working them, And

922
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,480
it really is something to consider when you're adopting a pet.

923
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,639
Are you able to give this dog the work that

924
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,320
it's bred for you know, millennia or however long to.

925
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,199
Speaker 5: Do whatever that word was or whatever that was, whatever

926
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,000
that time, all these thousand years.

927
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So you have team members at Gen's

928
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,679
Dogs and I just said, Jen, so drink up people

929
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,119
if you're playing the game. So tell us how do

930
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,920
you choose dog trainers to join your team? Do they

931
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,679
come with experience? Do you train them? How does that work?

932
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:48,039
Speaker 5: So it's really it's actually very very difficult. It's a

933
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:50,639
lot more difficult than I thought. And I'm very very

934
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,079
lucky to have Sarah and Shay as my junior trainer

935
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:58,000
is right now. And both of them I found a clients.

936
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:03,239
They came to me, Well, Sarah. She actually I've known

937
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,119
Sarah for several years. She owns her own business. She

938
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,519
runs a shop that specializes in enrichment toys and she

939
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:13,480
makes she makes them and she carries them and she

940
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,440
and that's how I knew her because she makes the

941
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,000
best snuffle mats.

942
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,199
Speaker 2: Cool, you got to give me her info, give me

943
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,360
her info before we log off.

944
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, She's like, she'll be really mad if she gets

945
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,039
one hundred orders because she can't make him buck back.

946
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: But I'll give you.

947
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Speaker 5: Her invo so she but she has other product lines,

948
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and so that's how I knew her. And then she

949
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got a puppy and she came in and I was

950
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just watching how she worked with her puppy, and so

951
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then I was just kind of like, I don't know,

952
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I just got a gut feeling and I was like,

953
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you never thought about being a dog trainer? And she

954
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was like, I've always wanted to do that. So I

955
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just brought her on in and and and taught her.

956
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You know, she teached they teach Basic Manners line level

957
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zero through four. But then Shaye was also a client.

958
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She had her dog, and they have a lot of

959
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dogs that we were living together, and they were all

960
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starting to get just a little bit overwhelmed and weren't

961
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really getting along. So she was in one of my

962
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specialty services. And over that time of me being there

963
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with her and seeing how much she worked with her dog,

964
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because there were multiple family members that had multiple dogs

965
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,800
living all together. So wow, seeing how much she worked

966
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,119
with her dog and how much she loved it. And

967
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then she has a horse, and she spent so much

968
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time in four h and I just over time, I

969
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,519
just realized that this was something that she was maybe

970
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,400
trying to break into, and so out of all of us,

971
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even though I have all these certifications and I've done

972
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all this reading and this research, and I specialized in

973
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,880
big emotions. As far as trainers go, Shay is actually

974
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our most qualified because she's trained rabbits and and horses

975
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and so she's done multi species and so then she

976
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she's come on and she's been fantastic, uh, because she

977
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,400
already understood horse training, So it was really easy to

978
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:22,480
kind of make those correlations for her into dog training.

979
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Speaker 2: Your facility does in like in person dog training, and

980
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,920
you offer group classes. If you don't follow Gens Dogs

981
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,599
on Instagram, go ahead and follow them there's you have

982
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,880
great pictures of the actual classes going on. Do you

983
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,159
ever work with anybody outside of your immediate area?

984
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,639
Speaker 5: Yes, So all of the group classes and our basic

985
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,280
manners private sessions are all held at the Gens Dogs

986
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Training Studio here in Forrest Grove, and those are all

987
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:55,039
taught by Sarah and Shay. They they offer all of

988
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:59,880
those classes. I specialize in the big emotions, the fear, aggression, reactivity,

989
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,599
dangerous behavior, and so for me, I work predominantly in

990
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,000
home and I do a lot of virtual as well,

991
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,280
so even if for people who are not in my

992
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,920
area or the biggest issue is dogs that won't let

993
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,159
people come in the house, that we really have no

994
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:23,599
choice but to do virtual, So I offer virtual and

995
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:27,639
then we also have our group class is now being

996
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,760
offered as virtual as well. Super cool.

997
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: How effective is virtual training in these situations, whether it's

998
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,280
group or individual, it's actually just as effective as in person,

999
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,760
you know, because we are essentially you know, together, live

1000
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,000
in these virtual situations and I'm able to see everything.

1001
00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 5: Especially now there's not usually any delay, so it's not

1002
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,760
like it used to be where you're like, Okay, they

1003
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,000
did something, and then I have to wait, you know,

1004
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:57,800
the fifteen second drag to see what's happening before I

1005
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,360
give feedback. Like it's pretty east is that this? Yeah,

1006
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,840
technology is making it easier. Yeah, it really hasn't. And

1007
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,400
you know, they all of the platforms now they drown

1008
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,320
out background noise, so I don't have to worry about,

1009
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,440
you know, if my dogs are doing anything, or anybody's

1010
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:19,519
like anything, any noises around are happening. And as long

1011
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:23,079
as the biggest thing is that I'm just not there

1012
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:27,000
to show people with their dog. But I have tons

1013
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:30,800
of video that I show of examples. Uh, so I

1014
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,639
already have all that like queued up and ready, so

1015
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:35,519
they're able to watch that. I'm able to walk them

1016
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,719
through it. We let them do the thing and then

1017
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,239
we talk about it, and then we do the thing

1018
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,679
and then we talk about it. So as long as

1019
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,639
as people are able to have a setup where they

1020
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,519
can set their camera where I can see the dog

1021
00:54:48,639 --> 00:54:52,440
and them, then we're we're able to do that. Sometimes

1022
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,760
I will utilize if we have like a helper, you know,

1023
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,559
if I'm not there, if they're outside my area, or

1024
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,960
they don't really really it doesn't matter if I can

1025
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,480
come in the house. They really just want to make

1026
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:06,719
sure like their friend or their sitter or a family

1027
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,599
member can come in the house. Then I'll like text

1028
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,280
the fit the helper, oh nice on the zoom with

1029
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,480
so I'm able to orchestrate everybody all at once. So yeah,

1030
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:22,039
so it's actually just as effective as being live. That's

1031
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,639
perfect everybody time. A lot of people really feel a

1032
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:27,320
lot better. Sometimes when I show up with people's houses,

1033
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,119
you can tell they've like felt really stressed and they've

1034
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,719
like because I'm coming into their personal space. So they

1035
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,360
cleaned their house like immediately before me getting there. And

1036
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,960
now they're all like, oh no, she's gonna see what.

1037
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:41,840
I have dog hair on the floor, And I'm like,

1038
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,119
so do what. We don't care, We don't care. Yeah,

1039
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:46,800
I remember that as a pet sitter.

1040
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Speaker 2: Like the initial meet and greet was always like you

1041
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,760
could see they were flustered trying to get everything ready.

1042
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,519
And then after the relationship was established, like I could

1043
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,440
see how they actually live and I was like, just live,

1044
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:00,800
just live. The whole point is because convenience of us

1045
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,320
coming to you where you are, figuring it out where

1046
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:04,719
you're at.

1047
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 5: So yeah, so.

1048
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: Tell me how can my audience learn more about you,

1049
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,679
your team and Gen's Dogs.

1050
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: So, as you've mentioned several times, thank you. Our Instagram

1051
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,480
is a great way to see what we're doing, what

1052
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:23,480
we have done, as well as any upcoming classes that

1053
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:27,719
we have. Our website is Gensdogs dot com. That's j E.

1054
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,400
N Nsdogs dot com. That lists all of the services

1055
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,440
that we have. Pretty much everything that we if, we

1056
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:41,920
do is all on our website and our Facebook mimics

1057
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,039
our Instagram, so perfect.

1058
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I just want to propose a toast

1059
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,840
to you for being so awesome for educating us on

1060
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,719
how important context is. Cheers. I also want to propose

1061
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,400
a toast to my executive producer Mark Winter at Like

1062
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:57,599
Radio and to all of you for joining us today.

1063
00:56:58,039 --> 00:57:01,320
Thank you for spending some time checking in on these

1064
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,480
amazing guests that I bring you. I hope you enjoyed

1065
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:05,760
as much as I do. Here's to a life covered

1066
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,960
in pet hair, because there's no better way to live.

1067
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Speaker 1: Here.

1068
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Speaker 2: To learn more about Covered in pet Hair, please visit

1069
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,519
Covered in Petair dot com or pet life Radio dot com.

1070
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,519
Thank you so much for watching, for tuning in, and

1071
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,239
I will see you next week. No, that's a lie.

1072
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Speaker 5: I will not see you next week because next week

1073
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I'm on a cruise with.

1074
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: The Texas Pet Sitters Association. We're having the tenth Annual

1075
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,519
Texas Pet Sitters Conference on a cruise I am seeing,

1076
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:38,000
I'm presenting a few sessions, and I will be cruising

1077
00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:43,000
to Cosamel next Thursday, so I'll see you the following week.

1078
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:46,559
Thank you again for watching. Thank you Jen so much

1079
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,679
for joining me, and I hope you guys all have

1080
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a great rest of the week. Thanks again.

1081
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 4: Welcome. Let's talk pets every week on demand only on

1082
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:12,239
petlife radio dot com