Speaker 1: It's night time with Dan Ray. I'm Deezy Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on in Washington. Later on
Speaker 2: this week, we certainly will continue to talk about all
Speaker 2: that's going on. The hearing today in front of the
Speaker 2: three judge federal panel dealing with the deportation of the
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants. I know that a lot of times it
Speaker 2: sounds like we're just deporting immigrants. No, we're deporting illegal immigrants.
Speaker 2: There's two types of immigrants, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants,
Speaker 2: and that's and also amongst the illegal immigrants, there's a
Speaker 2: subset who are people who are either members of organized
Speaker 2: crime organizations, be it MS thirteen or trend ago. But
Speaker 2: those distinctions are not often made effectively in terms of
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned, Well, that's really not what
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on here. I'm focusing on the future of
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. I'm talking about the national Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party in Massachusetts is as strong as ever,
Speaker 2: holds all of the statewide offices as you know, and
Speaker 2: holds an iron grip on the state legislature, both the
Speaker 2: House and Senate. So the Democratic Party in Massachusetts is
Speaker 2: in great shape. Not quite so nationally, because right now
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party nationally has no idea who its leader
Speaker 2: is going to be. Joe Biden, I think, is not
Speaker 2: coming walking back through that door as Rick Patino one
Speaker 2: set of Larry Bird and Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale.
Speaker 2: So Joe Biden's not coming back. I don't think Joe
Speaker 2: Biden's coming back. I don't think that Michelle Obama is
Speaker 2: going to four years from now step forward. And the
Speaker 2: only two Democrats who are really I thinking showing any
Speaker 2: leadership two people who I disagree with greatly, but one
Speaker 2: of whom I have an immense respect for, Bernie Sanders
Speaker 2: of Vermont, who has always been clear about who he
Speaker 2: was and who he is still today eighty three years old.
Speaker 2: And aoc Alexandria Ocassio Cortes, who is making some noise
Speaker 2: that she might take on Chuck Schumer, the longtime Senate
Speaker 2: well formerly Senate Majority leader, now Senate Minority leader in
Speaker 2: a Democratic primary, which would be well, it would be
Speaker 2: the move moving out the old guard, if you will,
Speaker 2: the Joe Bidens of the world. I don't think Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: a former vice president, is coming back anytime soon, though
Speaker 2: I guess she wants to now maybe be the governor
Speaker 2: of California. Good luck with that or so. Over the weekend, well,
Speaker 2: there was a big rally over the weekend in Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 2: and suppose he was a huge rally. Bernie Sanders said
Speaker 2: it was the largest rally that he had ever appeared
Speaker 2: before Ocasio Cortez aoc was there with Bernie Senator Sanders
Speaker 2: of Vermont, and then on Sunday yesterday he was on
Speaker 2: with Jonathan Carl. Now, Jonathan Carl is not what you
Speaker 2: would call someone who bedevils Democrats with tough questions. He
Speaker 2: is a pretty mild mannered host. And he's talking to
Speaker 2: Senator Sanders yesterday more and what he's he's talking about
Speaker 2: this very issue, the future leadership of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Who's I don't think we know who the the next
Speaker 2: Democratic presidential nominee will be. Obviously it's three years from now,
Speaker 2: so it's gonna it's gonna take some time to develop
Speaker 2: a three years from now going going forward, God knows
Speaker 2: who to be. My suspicion is probably be someone who
Speaker 2: we never have really heard much about, some governor from somewhere,
Speaker 2: maybe Governor Shapiro of Pennsylvania, who I think would have
Speaker 2: been a much better vice won't be. Won't be Governor
Speaker 2: Waltz of Minnesota. I think that's for sure. He I
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to lead the Democratic Party. But anyway, so, uh,
Speaker 2: we have a cut here. And now this is Brunie Sanders,
Speaker 2: who was so frustrated with Jonathan Carl. Jonathan Carl is
Speaker 2: the easiest interviewer at ABC and the friendliest the Democrats.
Speaker 2: Well maybe not the friendliest, but he's he's he's not
Speaker 2: someone who's known as controversial. So he's asking Sanders some
Speaker 2: questions about the rally, and AOC and Sanders are kind
Speaker 2: of you know, you know, showing up together. Uh maybe
Speaker 2: a potential your dream team for the Democrats. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean whatever, I want to know who you think
Speaker 2: will eventually head the Democratic Party. Uh as they as
Speaker 2: they come out of the wilderness, and they will, I
Speaker 2: mean have been in the wilderness before. The Republicans have
Speaker 2: been in the wilderness for certain, and uh it's they'll
Speaker 2: be a Democrat, don't worry about that. Nationally, we have
Speaker 2: two major parties. The the the race that Donald Trump won,
Speaker 2: he won by a couple of million votes. But that
Speaker 2: was a couple of million votes out of about one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty eight million votes. So you know, he
Speaker 2: likes to call it a mandate. I don't know that
Speaker 2: it's a mandate. I think it was an impressive victory,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was a mandate anyway. This
Speaker 2: is cut number twenty six, So just follow along. Hair
Speaker 2: Sanders actually gets up out of the interview and it
Speaker 2: ends the interview. He gets pretty snarky and he gets up,
Speaker 2: gets gets out of his chair, and Carl is almost
Speaker 2: to the point where he's begging him to sit back down.
Speaker 2: It was it was this. It was a sad show
Speaker 2: for Jonathan. Carl should have said, you want to leave
Speaker 2: the interview, that's your choice, but he cajoled and Sanders
Speaker 2: to sit back down. This is got to you got
Speaker 2: to understand the context of it. This is cut number
Speaker 2: twenty six.
Speaker 1: Enjoy you're out there with the AOC today.
Speaker 3: Do you see her as a future of the producer?
Speaker 3: You have one of the untold stories, yeah, of what's
Speaker 3: going on in Carrent American Pauls is that in the
Speaker 3: House of Representatives, you have dozens and dozens of strong,
Speaker 3: smart disciplined, hard working young people in the Progressive Caucus.
Speaker 3: And you know, way back when when I first came
Speaker 3: to the Congress of the House, I helped form the
Speaker 3: Progressive Caucus. We had five people at that time. Now
Speaker 3: they got close to one hundred, So you got a
Speaker 3: whole lot of good people. Alexandra is extraordinary. I am
Speaker 3: so impressed by her work in Congress and her just
Speaker 3: she inspires young people all over the country.
Speaker 2: Would you like to see her joining in the Senate?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: We have, as I said, just a whole lot of
Speaker 3: people in the Congress. Okay, got it, and thanks way,
Speaker 3: I got one one that's important. Well, I asked you, okay,
Speaker 3: you know you want to do nonsense. Do nonsense. No,
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about inside the beltway stuff.
Speaker 3: I got thirty two thousand people. I was just asking
Speaker 3: you about AOC because she was fine. But I don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about this. What was the last question.
Speaker 2: I was just asking one more question about you. I
Speaker 2: mean that's all. This was literally lost. But what is
Speaker 2: your question? Well, I mean he's begging him to sit down.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to ask you about your future.
Speaker 2: This is the biggest crowd you said, usually ran for
Speaker 2: president twice. This is the biggest crowd you've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Are we going to see you run again? Or what's
Speaker 2: your what's your faure?
Speaker 3: Right now? I am very proud that the people who
Speaker 3: the state of Vermont sent me back to the Senate
Speaker 3: with sixty three percent of the work right now and
Speaker 3: Vermont's senator. That's what I do, and I'm very happy
Speaker 3: to do it. I am eighty three years of age,
Speaker 3: so and I'm worried.
Speaker 2: He also sounded pretty snarky, and he couldn't remember the
Speaker 2: question what he was What Carl was trying to get
Speaker 2: him to say was that, yes, maybe maybe AOC should
Speaker 2: run for the Senate, and the Senate seat that's coming
Speaker 2: up in New York is that of Chuck Schumer. Sanders
Speaker 2: wanted no part of that question, and Carl, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: asked a normal question that flowed out of his admiration
Speaker 2: for AOC as a new leader. We talked about all
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, they talked about that. It was
Speaker 2: an obvious question that would be a follow up question.
Speaker 2: Sanders couldn't remember the question. Carl, I think was fearful
Speaker 2: that he was going to ask him the question again,
Speaker 2: what a disaster for both Sanders and for Carl So
Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction to that, and I
Speaker 2: also want to get your reaction to who should the
Speaker 2: Democrats be looking for toward in twenty twenty four. Who
Speaker 2: should it be. Maybe there's a name that you think
Speaker 2: that I will agree with you on and disagree with
Speaker 2: you on. I don't know who it's going to be.
Speaker 2: But the Democrats better get their act together. They are
Speaker 2: now a split party. They're a party that's run by
Speaker 2: the progressives, just like they're run here in Massachusetts. But
Speaker 2: the rest of the country is not buying what we're
Speaker 2: buying here in Massachusetts. It's as simple as that. And
Speaker 2: you look at all of these issues. I mean, the
Speaker 2: judges who are now saying, let us keep we need
Speaker 2: more illegal immigrants in America, We need more criminal immigrants,
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants in America. This is crazy. Whether you like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump or not, Donald Trump is running circles around
Speaker 2: the National Democratic Party and they don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: How can they get their act together? Looking for some advice,
Speaker 2: some guidance coming back on Nightside, be back right after.
Speaker 1: This now, back to Dan Ray Live from the Window
Speaker 1: World Nightside studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, how about that. We got people wanting to
Speaker 2: talk on the phone. That is a good thing, that
Speaker 2: is for sure. Let me go to Joe in Belmont.
Speaker 2: Joe your first this hour, Go right ahead, Joe. Who's
Speaker 2: going to lead the Democrats out of the worldness.
Speaker 4: Mayor Michael Flynn. But I want to tell you, I voted, well, well.
Speaker 2: Mayor Michael, what was it, Mayor Michael Flynn?
Speaker 4: Ray Flynn.
Speaker 2: Well, Ray Flynn is in his.
Speaker 4: Way, someone someone who had values like him, who was
Speaker 4: pro life.
Speaker 2: PROGA, someone like someone like a Ray Flynn. Okay, I
Speaker 2: get it. I get it, referring to his son or not.
Speaker 4: Nor someone who has values like him, someone who is
Speaker 4: pro life, pro family, for the homeless, for the poor.
Speaker 4: And I would vote for him in uh twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4: And I don't think a Democrat could ever change their
Speaker 4: values of being pro life. I think it's almost impossible.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't let a Democrat do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that issue is fairly settled at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that the Supreme Court has spoken
Speaker 2: on it. But uh, if you still think that you
Speaker 2: can run on that issue and win, I mean I
Speaker 2: don't think the Democrats are going to change their position
Speaker 2: on that at all. Joe, and I think the Republicans
Speaker 2: are very happy with where the Supreme Court is right now,
Speaker 2: where that the Dobbs decision was. I don't think that's
Speaker 2: going to be a big issue in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Maybe it will be, maybe it will be with some voters.
Speaker 4: Dan, I like to think I'm like you that I
Speaker 4: can criticize both Republicans and Democrats. I feel like I
Speaker 4: shouldn't be a rubber stamp for Elon Muscot Trump, even
Speaker 4: any Democrat.
Speaker 2: I agree with you, I agree with you. As an individual,
Speaker 2: you have to look at every issue and got to
Speaker 2: say I agree or I disagree. That's all I mean. Joe.
Speaker 2: I got to tell you I have very close friends,
Speaker 2: I have relatives. We agree. We disagree on not only
Speaker 2: family matters, but on political matters. We disagree on who
Speaker 2: to root for, whether they're going to root for the
Speaker 2: Red Sox or some other team. That's what life is
Speaker 2: all about. We're all not like a bunch of robots
Speaker 2: walking around saying this is how I should think because
Speaker 2: someone told me this is how I should think. That's
Speaker 2: that's not healthy. That's not healthy.
Speaker 4: Joe, in twenty twenty eight, would you vote for a
Speaker 4: Democratic candidate who represented May of Flint of the values.
Speaker 2: I don't think such a Democratic candidate would exist.
Speaker 4: I think Dan Yeah, he was, he was. He was
Speaker 4: a great man. In my opinion.
Speaker 2: Ray Flynn is still. I was with Ray Flynn a
Speaker 2: week and a half ago. Uh, and he's doing fine.
Speaker 2: Like anyone else. He's getting along there. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a couple of you know
Speaker 2: what you call medical setbacks, but he's doing just fine.
Speaker 2: And night.
Speaker 4: I hope his son can fill his shoes.
Speaker 2: Big shoes to fill, no doubt about that. Joe appreciates called.
Speaker 2: Thank you much, good one. Okay, you talk later, Joe.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Bill and Danvers. Bill, I know
Speaker 2: that you're going to be able to give us the
Speaker 2: name of someone who's gonna lead the Democratic Party out
Speaker 2: of the wilderness.
Speaker 5: I think AOC is going to be the leader. But
Speaker 5: I don't think you're going to be coming out of
Speaker 5: the wilderness anytime soon. And I think I think she'll
Speaker 5: run against Schumer, and I think he's probably gonna be toast,
Speaker 5: so they before they can get out of the wilderness.
Speaker 5: They're going to devour each other to a degree. But
Speaker 5: as they get crazy, Uh, and they're gonna have a
Speaker 5: problem with the donors in the middle, who I'm gonna
Speaker 5: like a lot of this because you know, they're gonna
Speaker 5: kind of see the ship not sailing the right way.
Speaker 5: And they're gonna have a big money crunch that ain't
Speaker 5: gonna help them either. So I don't know, well I happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, I happen to agree. I think they got
Speaker 2: I think they got big problems now. But look, if
Speaker 2: you go back to uh, Democrats and Republicans. You know,
Speaker 2: in in the if George McGovern lost every state except
Speaker 2: was it South? He won South Dakota. Uh no, excuse me,
Speaker 2: one Massachusetts in his home state. One Massachusetts and the
Speaker 2: district of Columbia, and everybody thought the Democratic Party was
Speaker 2: dead in the water. Four years later they elected Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carter president. A lot can happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, yeah, but yeah, but these these times,
Speaker 5: if you if you think about I mean, and the
Speaker 5: separation has ever been bigger, Dan, I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: you talk to people here. I mean again, we're in Massachusetts,
Speaker 5: and they look at what some of the country is
Speaker 5: total force. I mean, you know, it used to be
Speaker 5: that the parties weren't that much, you know, JFK Democrats.
Speaker 5: You know, you'll could have agreed in defense and you
Speaker 5: disagreed about maybe tax policy. At the end of the day,
Speaker 5: everybody got a hop a loaf, Okay. I mean we
Speaker 5: used to think about Ted Kennedy as being this big
Speaker 5: time liberal. If he was here today, you'd almost think
Speaker 5: of him as Ronald Reagan. I mean what you're seeing, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I don't know. I think Senator Kennedy was truly
Speaker 2: I thought he was a liberal in the best sense
Speaker 2: of the word, and that he was not only was he,
Speaker 2: I think, very consistent and changed with the Democratic He
Speaker 2: changed along with the Democratic Party, although he was rejected
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty. But the thing about Ted Kennedy was
Speaker 2: he actually had a great office on constituent services and
Speaker 2: anyone who knew.
Speaker 5: Him, oh he did, Yeah, No, no, he did. I
Speaker 5: knew people he helped. That's the truth on that. That
Speaker 5: is a true statement.
Speaker 2: And compare what he does on constituent services what Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Warren does on constituent services. She could she can't spell
Speaker 2: constituent services, never mind do something for constituent services.
Speaker 5: And talout it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Dan Bill made the other day. He even said, he says,
Speaker 5: you know, by twenty thirty, because if you look at
Speaker 5: the trends out of the blue areas that are heavy
Speaker 5: regulated in tax he goes, they're doubling down and they're
Speaker 5: just not learning anything. And with the population shifts, he says,
Speaker 5: it'll get to a point out to twenty thirty, a
Speaker 5: Republican candidate for president would be able to win with Wisconsin, Michigan,
Speaker 5: or Pennsylvania if you look at the numbers.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's a new poll out actually as a poll
Speaker 2: that came out in September, but it's relatively new, and
Speaker 2: it showed that amongst eighteen to twenty four year old
Speaker 2: year old so those are the new voters, twenty two
Speaker 2: percent identified as Democratic, twenty six percent identified as Republican.
Speaker 2: That's an astonishing thing.
Speaker 5: It is. But if you look deeper in the numbers,
Speaker 5: I think, excuse it's actually more of the women that
Speaker 5: I tend to be much more liberal, and the men
Speaker 5: and the young men are much more conservative. I've been
Speaker 5: seeing a lot of it, especially this last election. I
Speaker 5: was very surprised. Of course. I'm in the mall and
Speaker 5: there's a whole bunch of younger guys that come in
Speaker 5: and they talk and stuff, and predominantly a lot of
Speaker 5: them are even you know, the family from the Latino families,
Speaker 5: and they're much more and it really start and you know,
Speaker 5: the solid, solid young guys. Damn very impressive. I mean,
Speaker 5: it actually gives me some hope for the future. Really
Speaker 5: when I talk to them, and they'll last be stuff
Speaker 5: and everything else. And I usually talk with them and
Speaker 5: they get smooth as a protein and they go to
Speaker 5: the gym or I'll see them at the gym, and
Speaker 5: they're just great guys, and they tend to be much
Speaker 5: more concerned. And they all say the girlfriends are very
Speaker 5: much more liberal and they vote for Democrats and they
Speaker 5: try to talk to them and stuff. But they're all
Speaker 5: conservative guys, all young men everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that the suggestion is that Trump
Speaker 2: one amongst young white men and narrowly capture the support
Speaker 2: from non white men in the eighteen year old demographics.
Speaker 2: So there's something going on here. And look over time,
Speaker 2: you know, they talked about the gender gap in the
Speaker 2: last election. Uh, Donald Trump did much better amongst women
Speaker 2: than any of the polls suggested. He he came very
Speaker 2: close to carrying not only the male vote, but the
Speaker 2: female vote. There wasn't a huge gender gap, and there
Speaker 2: had been a gender gap for many years during the
Speaker 2: Bush years, and all of that, and the Bush and
Speaker 2: Romney's and the mccains more establishment type Democrats had never
Speaker 2: been able to close that gender gap. Trump believed it
Speaker 2: or not, which device logic was able to close that
Speaker 2: gender gap. Hey, Bill, I got a screwed here because
Speaker 2: they got the news coming happy, I'll let you run.
Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend, a good one by thanks for calling.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. Only one line six thirty back on night
Speaker 2: Side right after.
Speaker 1: This, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: So who lead the Democratic Party out of the world
Speaker 2: of this? Let me go to Susan. Susan I think
Speaker 2: would probably characterize yourself as a Democrat in Cambridge. Susan,
Speaker 2: I'll be interested in your perspective on this.
Speaker 6: Okay, Before I do that, I just need to challenge
Speaker 6: you a bit on your comments about the judges and immigration.
Speaker 6: I feel like you were a banderius there.
Speaker 2: I wasn't slanderous, but that's okay, go right ahead.
Speaker 6: Well, because I mean, what they're trying to do is
Speaker 6: follow the law and decide, you know, if they're using
Speaker 6: appropriate methods. And there is evidence that meant that many
Speaker 6: people who were sent to that Salvador and prison were
Speaker 6: actually not gang members, and there are people who entered
Speaker 6: and have legitimate asylum I have yet to see.
Speaker 2: I have heard, I have heard that said, okay, but
Speaker 2: I have yet to see any evidence of that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And if you can point me towards some of that
Speaker 2: evidence and if that is true, I do not support
Speaker 2: people who are either American citizens or people who are here.
Speaker 2: If we're going to deport people based upon their membership
Speaker 2: in a gang, we better be sure about that, okay.
Speaker 2: I do. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 6: If I take a case of a gay, a gay
Speaker 6: hairdresser from Venezuela who came through a porta ventury, had
Speaker 6: an asylum appointment, and he's been shipped off there, and
Speaker 6: there is a there's a photographer embedded down there who
Speaker 6: basically has vouched for it, and his lawyers are well
Speaker 6: again making.
Speaker 2: That against Susan. I've heard about there's a Venezuelan soccer
Speaker 2: player Okay, all of that. If there are mistakes that
Speaker 2: were made, let's talk about it. My question to you
Speaker 2: is this, I think it was around two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty people in the two flights to El Salvador whould deported. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's assume there were ten of them who were deported, Uh,
Speaker 2: inappropriately they were not members of the Trendiagara gang. Fair enough.
Speaker 2: I would agree with you that those people need to
Speaker 2: be returned. Okay, if they are non criminal, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: if they're not with some other gang. But but if
Speaker 2: if there were mistakes made, we'll bring those people back,
Speaker 2: will give them hearings as soon as possible. Would you
Speaker 2: agree with me though, that the fact that two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty members of this violent Venezuelan gang had deported
Speaker 2: that we're not that we're we are not better off
Speaker 2: as a country having them out of here.
Speaker 6: Well sure, okay, so let's good.
Speaker 2: We so we totally agree.
Speaker 6: But two, I do think that well, I think it
Speaker 6: should be done. We need due process for everybody, because
Speaker 6: otherwise there are going to be made.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no no
Speaker 2: wait wait that hold on. We don't need process for
Speaker 2: our government who knows who these people are. You've seen
Speaker 2: the video of them taking over apartment buildings in Auroro, Colorado.
Speaker 2: Do you not believe your eyes when you see those.
Speaker 6: If they know who they are, then they should have
Speaker 6: the paperwork to prove it. I mean it's you know.
Speaker 2: They know who they are, Susan. I positive for you
Speaker 2: a situation if we are certain that two hundred and four,
Speaker 2: I'm just picking the number, Susan, Okay, if there's ten.
Speaker 6: Twenty, because we've got because we've got do we have,
Speaker 6: you know, document documented evidence. If we do, then great, then.
Speaker 2: We have people. We have people within those communities who
Speaker 2: know exactly who these people are. Many of them have
Speaker 2: tattoos in ordered to be members of these gangs. Let's
Speaker 2: not be naive, Susan. Okay, come on, It's like saying,
Speaker 2: how do you know people are members of the mafia.
Speaker 2: You know, you get them on tape at their their
Speaker 2: mafia ceremonies. And also, by the way, these people are
Speaker 2: here illegally. They do not have the same and they're
Speaker 2: here illegally as members of a violent terrorist organization. I
Speaker 2: don't want them to have the same due process rights
Speaker 2: that you and.
Speaker 6: I have, so that we don't make the mistake that
Speaker 6: the mistakes if.
Speaker 2: We've made mistakes. We make mistakes all the time. We're human, Susan. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're human. We make mistakes all the time. The Democrats
Speaker 2: made a mistake of running Joe Biden and sticking with
Speaker 2: him after he had lost it. Okay, they paid for
Speaker 2: that mistake, and they'll have to correct it. But but
Speaker 2: I just don't understand the amount of misdirected sympathy that
Speaker 2: I'm picking up from you. If we have two hundred
Speaker 2: in forty people who we know are gang members, what
Speaker 2: do we have to do? Do we have to have
Speaker 2: signed confessions from them? What is the standard of proof
Speaker 2: that you need to prove that these people are members
Speaker 2: of this gang?
Speaker 6: I need a standard of proof that does not end
Speaker 6: up imprisoning people who shouldn't be What you.
Speaker 2: What is your standard? Look, there are people in this country, Susan. Susan,
Speaker 2: excuse me for a second. I spent fifteen years of
Speaker 2: my career advocating for four American citizens who were who
Speaker 2: were indicted, convicted, and put in prison for a total
Speaker 2: of one hundred and nine years. You know the case
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, the Savadi Lamoni case. Okay, we were
Speaker 2: able to We weren't able to give them their thirty
Speaker 2: years of their life back. Okay, but that they did
Speaker 2: win in court, they were released and one of them
Speaker 2: is still alive today at the age of ninety two.
Speaker 2: Should we their mistakes are made? Mistakes are made, but
Speaker 2: that But if a mistake was made on someone who
Speaker 2: was swept up inappropriately, I've already said to you, if
Speaker 2: you can show to me that a mistake was made,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. But you don't want to be with
Speaker 2: me when they're when when we're talking about two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty members of a violent terrorist gang. That's the
Speaker 2: problem with the Democratic Party right now. You're on the
Speaker 2: wrong side of this issue.
Speaker 6: I was trying to work something, Dan, we agree to suffer.
Speaker 2: So Susan, you're talking Susan donuts that Susan, please don't
Speaker 2: tell me you're talking to a reporter.
Speaker 5: Don't because how.
Speaker 2: Many people have you freed from prison in your life?
Speaker 2: I put my career, I put my entire journalistic career
Speaker 2: on the line to free four innocent men. Unfortunately two
Speaker 2: of them passed while they were in prison, but free
Speaker 2: in men who were convicted by corrupt FBI agents. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I don't think I need a lecture from you.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I understand the concept of due process,
Speaker 2: and I understand the concepts of our judicial system. And
Speaker 2: the judicial system is not perfect. But if we can
Speaker 2: get two hundred and forty or so of these illegal
Speaker 2: terrorists out of the country so that they will not
Speaker 2: be terrifying American citizens, they will not be raping children,
Speaker 2: they will not be murdering you or me, I'm okay
Speaker 2: with that. And if you want to call me the
Speaker 2: neanderthal for that, just look at my record, Susan. I'm
Speaker 2: very serious. I'm disappointed. I really am disappointed, Susan.
Speaker 6: I don't be there on the line, okay, But I'm
Speaker 6: not making any claims about you that like you're making
Speaker 6: about me, like I think you're being unfair to me
Speaker 6: in this.
Speaker 2: I asked you a simple I conceded to you, Susan,
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this conversation that I would stand
Speaker 2: with you if there were people, as you mentioned, there
Speaker 2: was a gay hairdresser, and I mentioned some venezuela and
Speaker 2: soccer player. I don't know the specifics of it, okay,
Speaker 2: but if they weren't members of the gang. They should
Speaker 2: be brought back here. What else do you want me
Speaker 2: to say? And in that regard, Okay, okay, Now, what
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you is we are we better off
Speaker 2: or or with these two hundred and forty thugs who
Speaker 2: came here illegally, and if many of them have committed
Speaker 2: crimes while they're here, are we better off with them
Speaker 2: out of the country. No, your heart is so big.
Speaker 6: I believe the process matters in tur I believe them
Speaker 6: are the country.
Speaker 2: You know something, Susan, You're talking to the wrong guy
Speaker 2: about process when you're talking to me, because I fought
Speaker 2: that process for fifteen years and I got innocent people out,
Speaker 2: innocent American citizens who were jailed by corrupt FBiH. I
Speaker 2: don't need a lecture from you and that, Susan, I
Speaker 2: really don't. And I'm offended.
Speaker 6: You're not trying to lecture you on that.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure you are.
Speaker 6: I'm expressing my point of view. I'm telling you how
Speaker 6: I feel about it.
Speaker 2: That's all. Let me take you. Hold on to that
Speaker 2: point of view because you'll win in Massachusetts, but you
Speaker 2: will lose the White House, you will lose Congress and
Speaker 2: you'll ultimately use the lose the US Supreme Court because
Speaker 2: you're wrong on Bernie quickly.
Speaker 6: To change the subject. I'm completely over Bernie. I have
Speaker 6: agreed with him on some issues in the past, but
Speaker 6: he never misses a chance to throw the Democratic Party
Speaker 6: under the bus, as he did right after the election
Speaker 6: when he threw Joe and Kamala under the bus and said,
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't do enough for working people, when
Speaker 6: in fact, this was probably the most pro working people
Speaker 6: administration that there has been. And since I don't know, Fdr, maybe.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something. It's the Biden administration will go
Speaker 2: down in history probably as the greatest Democratic presidency of
Speaker 2: the twentieth century.
Speaker 6: If not, No, I sat pro worker, pro worker, which
Speaker 6: is what you know Sandersmond.
Speaker 2: Dream on, Susan dream on. If you do not realize
Speaker 2: what a disaster the Biden administration was. It was a
Speaker 2: disaster for the Democratic Party. I'm trying tonight to wake
Speaker 2: people up to the disaster. Hang on to it, hang
Speaker 2: on to it. When the Republicans in Goldwater in sixty
Speaker 2: four they figured it out that you know what, you know,
Speaker 2: he he might have been a great philosophical candidate, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to win anything. Where the Democrats were
Speaker 2: in mc govern in seventy two against Nixon and they
Speaker 2: lost forty nine to one. They figured it out and
Speaker 2: they found Jimmy Carter and became president in seventy six.
Speaker 2: That's what the Democrats have to do today. They got
Speaker 2: to get it.
Speaker 6: I think the answer for the Democrats is not going
Speaker 6: to be found in Washington. I think we have some
Speaker 6: great governors, Andy Basher, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro. I think
Speaker 6: we have. I think that's where we should look to.
Speaker 6: And you know, personally, I always think for president, I
Speaker 6: always would rather have a former governor than a senator
Speaker 6: or somebody who you know, are representative, like somebody who's
Speaker 6: had executive authority. I think they tend to make that
Speaker 6: a president.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna let you run. I'm not
Speaker 2: mad at you personally, Susan. I just was offended that
Speaker 2: you were trying to lecture me and and I felt
Speaker 2: that way. That was my feeling. I just want you
Speaker 2: to know I really felt it deeply because you know
Speaker 2: my history and when when anyone tries to lecture me.
Speaker 6: Onempting to lecture merely, thank you.
Speaker 2: I will take that as a I will take that
Speaker 2: as an apology. Then, okay, thank you very much for that.
Speaker 2: I have a great one. All right, we can end
Speaker 2: still as friends. Okay, it's like a little bit of
Speaker 2: a spat, but that's okay. Thanks, good night. We're coming
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Let's get right back to the calls. Let me go
Speaker 2: next to Dan is in Hampton, New Hampshire. Dan next
Speaker 2: on Nice, I go right ahead, Thank.
Speaker 7: You, Dan. What I'm gonna say, in March of nineteen
Speaker 7: seventy three, who knew who Jimmy Cotter was? Or in
Speaker 7: March of nineteen eighty nine, who knew who Bill Clinton was?
Speaker 7: You can even go back to the fifty sixth convention.
Speaker 7: I know he introduced himself a little bit with the
Speaker 7: vice presidential thing, but you know, really, who knew much
Speaker 7: about Jack Kennedy at that point?
Speaker 2: True? You know, true, that's exactly what I've said that
Speaker 2: and I agree with that. Yeah, obviously, if they said it,
Speaker 2: I agree with it. We may not know, but I'm
Speaker 2: just curious, who do you think you got an.
Speaker 7: Idea and no, I like miracles. I certainly who do
Speaker 7: you like?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I missed an.
Speaker 7: Uh the Michigan Mercle Michigan. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 7: always I always get ton tagged when I'm on the
Speaker 7: air with you. I don't know why that is.
Speaker 2: But were you Are you more of a Democrat or
Speaker 2: a Republican?
Speaker 7: I'm a Democrat?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you like so you like Whitmury. That's kind
Speaker 2: of what Susan from Cambridge was saying when we finally
Speaker 2: got to the She was talking about the sheer.
Speaker 7: Of Yeah, Shapiro like him.
Speaker 8: I like the sheer a bunch Kentucky that would be yeah,
Speaker 8: I like him too. I think she's probably right. It
Speaker 8: will probably be a governor. And do we know Shapiro
Speaker 8: was I know all all the names that we've mentioned,
Speaker 8: but you know, it may very end up being name.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when Waltz was nominated by Paris? Obviously
Speaker 2: you do it. It was only a few years ago
Speaker 2: and everybody said, wow, that's a brilliant suggestion in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: But Walt's turned out to be a buffoon. I mean,
Speaker 2: did he help He.
Speaker 7: Had a bad debate. If you listened to him lately
Speaker 7: what he's been saying, he's actually sounded really well.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Walts, maybe Wals should be the guy. I'd
Speaker 2: love to say.
Speaker 7: No, no, I'm not saying I'm not saying he's good.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying he's going to be the guy. But
Speaker 7: can I just can I just have fifty seconds to
Speaker 7: tell you a quick story that I think people should hear. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 7: Back in nineteen sixty, my parents held the neighborhood election party.
Speaker 7: There are people there for Kennedy, there are people there
Speaker 7: for Nixon. My father, World War two veteran, was seriously
Speaker 7: wounded in battle. He was for jfk. Our neighbor across
Speaker 7: the street was a prisoner of war in Germany. Now,
Speaker 7: the two of them sat up together until the we
Speaker 7: of the morning to see until finally, around five am
Speaker 7: whatever it was that the winner was decland and they
Speaker 7: got up and they shook hands, and they knew they
Speaker 7: were shaking hands because that is what they fought for,
Speaker 7: so they could do that.
Speaker 2: Well, hats off to your dad. And I assumed the
Speaker 2: fellow who had been the pow was for Nixon.
Speaker 7: Yes, I've met to say well.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like watching a Red Sox play the
Speaker 2: Yankees in a playoff game. If you root for one team,
Speaker 2: you don't lose your friendship over that. I mean this'
Speaker 2: and a presidential election, you know, I mean it's the
Speaker 2: other party will come back. I mean, you know how
Speaker 2: the pendulum swings. And I just you know, I just thought,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to wake the Democratic party up, Nashaly, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to wake the Republican party up here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Can you mention being a Republican in Massachusetts?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Conservative, It's not easy.
Speaker 7: No, No. I tended by our Massachusetts when I was
Speaker 7: up to you for no.
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, I'm gonna let you run. I gotta
Speaker 2: keep rolling here. Okay, thanks man, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Let me keep rolling here. Mark
Speaker 2: in Austin, Mark next on nights. I get you in
Speaker 2: here before the great.
Speaker 9: Mark, and thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 10: Welcome you add my uh A name to the consensus.
Speaker 10: Uh Andy Bischer, governor of He should be on the
Speaker 10: short list for.
Speaker 2: All right, So what about AOC running against Schumer? Do
Speaker 2: you like that?
Speaker 9: I'm I'm not thrilled about that one. I mean, we
Speaker 9: got to keep the government. Is the government operating? I mean,
Speaker 9: you know, I was very relieved to come back from
Speaker 9: the Social Security office in Roslindale and have this very
Speaker 9: nice woman employee looks things up in computer and see
Speaker 9: that yes, I will get my monthly uh social Security
Speaker 9: payment direct deposited. Therefore I will be able to pay
Speaker 9: my April rent.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, Mark, if you had
Speaker 2: been worried about it, I could have saved you a
Speaker 2: trip to the SOB Security office. If you had given
Speaker 2: me a call, I could have assured you, what do
Speaker 2: you think Trump's gonna take away your so security check?
Speaker 2: Come on, that would be there were.
Speaker 9: Some horrible noises coming.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 9: I gotta do on a reputable table EV channel.
Speaker 2: Well's not reputable anymore than is it, Mark, do me
Speaker 2: a favorite? Keep those bad thoughts?
Speaker 9: VU Commerce secretary saying, so what if one gets missed?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, Mark, I think I think you're losing sleep
Speaker 2: unnecessarily because you're listening. You give me a call and
Speaker 2: I'll give you a straight story.
Speaker 9: I'll give you I Look, look, they played the video
Speaker 9: tape in context. I mean it doesn't get you know,
Speaker 9: we're in weird.
Speaker 8: Mark.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I copy your psychologists. Mark. All I'm
Speaker 2: saying to you is, if you have questions, you give
Speaker 2: me a call. Don't worry, don't fret your head. I
Speaker 2: got to run, Thanks very much. Laurie is in Norwood. Laurie,
Speaker 2: you were next on nights. I get you in under
Speaker 2: the wire.
Speaker 11: Here, Laurie Dane, first time caller. I just had all right,
Speaker 11: I had a right ahead, thank you. I had a
Speaker 11: call to counter Susan's position. I agree with you completely,
Speaker 11: and I think that's why we're in trouble in Massachusetts
Speaker 11: and have been prior to the last two months. Just
Speaker 11: people don't think correctly. We got to get these murderers, rapists,
Speaker 11: dreg dealers out of our country, and they were illegal
Speaker 11: to begin with.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, here's the thing, Laurie, which I really appreciate
Speaker 2: your calling on this. We have enough homegrown murders, murderers,
Speaker 2: rapists and child in this country. Okay, as we have
Speaker 2: all found out over the years, we don't need to
Speaker 2: bring more into the country. Stand why people are so
Speaker 2: interested in you know, well, these they we need to have. Yeah,
Speaker 2: why don't we leave them in the country for the
Speaker 2: next six years and line them up for a hearing
Speaker 2: with a with some sort of a federal judge like
Speaker 2: the guy down in Washington. I mean, yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 11: It really is insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And I'm just hoping that these next four years show
Speaker 11: a lot of progress and uh, stop the waste, fraud
Speaker 11: and abuse and corruption.
Speaker 12: It'll pay well, I know, but I hope that if
Speaker 12: Donald Trump can accomplish, you know, he should be a
Speaker 12: little more more music, you know, he can he I
Speaker 12: think the image of of of Musk with the chainsaw
Speaker 12: the other day is a dumb image, that mistake.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think that's what he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if the Republicans can pull their act together
Speaker 2: and can actually turn the turn the country around, they
Speaker 2: should be rewarded for it. And and the Democrats need
Speaker 2: to need the Democrats need to come back to the middle.
Speaker 2: They are so far out nationally it's an embarrassment.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean hey, in my opinion, lets them
Speaker 11: stay where they are and ask for and Trump will
Speaker 11: get vancent for another eight and then maybe our national
Speaker 11: debt will will go down to hero.
Speaker 2: And music to my ears, Laurie, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: first time calling. You got to call more often come on,
Speaker 2: I will, I will. I need voices like you. There
Speaker 2: are too many people sit out there and I need
Speaker 2: voices like you on my program. Thanks Laurie, thank you.
Speaker 11: So you by all right, have a great night.
Speaker 2: Here comes the news at eleven. We're gonna stick with it.
Speaker 2: Light up those lines, you know what numbers to call,
Speaker 2: coming back on Nightside