1 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, and welcome to It just means more 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,839 football and coffee. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: I'm Rob Williams. He is Craig McMichael. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: You can find us as always at Rob Williams GCP 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,839 at McMichael seven on all platforms and remember, in addition 6 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:23,359 to be a part of the Last Word on Sports, 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,280 Last Word on College Football podcast Network, we are with 8 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:30,519 College Gridiron Coast to Coast presenting us as well, and 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,600 there is a host of shows that you can enjoy 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,880 there if you are in Florida, or if you're from 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,759 Florida and you want to check in on all the 12 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:39,960 teams and what's happening there. 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: If you want to check in on the. 14 00:00:41,719 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: Midwest, we'll take a look at Boise as we jump 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,600 in tonight, or if you want to look at the 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,359 service academies, so many different options the ACC and then 17 00:00:50,399 --> 00:00:52,399 of course, if you're a fan of the best league 18 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:54,719 in the country, the SEC, you have come to the 19 00:00:54,759 --> 00:00:55,320 right place. 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,479 Speaker 2: As it just means more. 21 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Tonight, we have the man, the myth, the legend, the mob, 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,040 I mean, the managing editor of Last Word on College Football, 23 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:10,120 Tony Syracuse. Uncle Tony is with us tonight. 24 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: What's up, Hey, how you doing first? How you guys 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,640 doing tonight? Yeah, it's the first, the first Playoff Committee 26 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:24,439 rankings and and leave it to the Playoff Committee to 27 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:27,920 be completely tone deaf so as to schedule them on 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,879 election night. I mean can can considering this is the 29 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,719 same group that has put the National Championship game on 30 00:01:35,799 --> 00:01:40,840 Inauguration Day, I think they don't really have any functioning 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,239 calendars over there. 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,719 Speaker 4: Maybe they are all political science majors like me, and 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,879 they just love politics and they just want to blend 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,599 their two loves together, bring it together. 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do have. 36 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: One question for you, Rob. Did you see boys stated 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,680 as Midwest? Is Iowa Midwest? 38 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,239 Speaker 2: Now? Did I catch that right? If? If you are on, 39 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,840 get off my pyelone and it is okay? 40 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 4: All right, we'll save election maps and geography for for 41 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:11,960 Amazon er CNN. 42 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,759 Speaker 1: Are we drinking anything tonight, boys? Because it Tony has 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,560 reference that it is election night. Unfortunately, we're not coming 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,000 to you live. We're gonna get this pot to you 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,680 as quickly as possible. But it is nine pm Eastern 46 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:26,400 time for me here in South Carolina. But the Maxwell 47 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:28,840 House is still steaming out of my cup because it's 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,319 going to be a long night. We're gonna stay tuned 49 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:36,039 in to playoff rankings and electoral college votes. 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,479 Speaker 2: So here we are. What you got, Craig? Anything there? 51 00:02:41,719 --> 00:02:43,639 I guess, I guess the water. It's a school night. 52 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:45,879 I gotta I decided to mix in a water tonight. 53 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:46,759 I like it. 54 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,439 Speaker 3: I'll get I'll get back to the coffee in a 55 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:52,960 little bit. Well, I'm you know, editing, you know one 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,360 of Craig's pieces or something that gets turned in tonight night. 57 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,919 You know, need to stay alert through through reading one 58 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,919 of his pieces for Last Word on college football. In 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,199 the meantime, I'm just drinking water. But you know, who 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,759 knows how the night goes. It could be tequila later on. 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: Do you grind your own beans like that hoity toy 62 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:14,800 guy up there on the top of his pinky up Tony, 63 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:16,439 I do not. 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: I know, Okay, it's that you're down here with us. 65 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got got got the bag of Starbucks and 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,240 put it in the machine and I'm good to go. 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,759 Speaker 2: Are you going dark? What flavor are you going to? Uh? 68 00:03:31,879 --> 00:03:34,879 Speaker 3: It depends. I mean, you know, we tend we we 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,039 tend to start with the breakfast blend in the morning 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,840 and just depending upon the the taste and whatever else. 71 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:44,840 The rest of the day could be breakfast blend again tonight. 72 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,759 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. I love boys. 73 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:50,599 Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring I'm gonna bring you all up and 74 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,639 we're gonna grind the beans and then we're gonna change 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 your mind and Rob's gonna leave Maxwell House behind. 76 00:03:56,039 --> 00:03:59,919 Speaker 3: Here's the thing I don't I don't mind, you know. 77 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,199 I mean, I'm, you know, perfectly in favor of grinding 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,919 the beans as long as I'm not the one who 79 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:05,879 has to do the work. 80 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely, if we're being honest, I'm perfectly in favor of espresso. 81 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:13,240 But I'm just I'm not willing to make the investment. 82 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,479 Speaker 3: But if Craig wants to grind the beans and make 83 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:18,120 the coffee, and then, you know, more power to them. 84 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,399 Speaker 1: Hey, well, I'm going to hold you to that when 85 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:22,120 we finally get down to the sip for one of 86 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,040 these one of these marquee matchups. 87 00:04:24,199 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: All right, let's get rolling. 88 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,879 Speaker 1: Here on what everybody came here to talk about, and 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,439 that is the college football plaoff ranking. 90 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: No surprise is really at the top. 91 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: We are here always talking about SEC football, but as 92 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,000 we get towards the playoff time we get a blend 93 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,000 of these conferences coming together because now everything matters no matter. 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: Who your focus is. 95 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,959 Speaker 1: And so I want to start off Tony for you 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,519 covering the ACC. The number one thing that jumps off 97 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,279 the board to me is SMU coming in at thirteen. 98 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: And that means, as. 99 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: The committee use it right now, is is they're a 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,399 leaned towards the SEC. I mean the a SEC being 101 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:07,240 a one bid league. What's there? And look, why in 102 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,199 the world are they not in the top twelve? 103 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:14,759 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, look, I mean I think if if if 104 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,720 Jim Phillips ever had any fire in his belly, which 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,959 I'm not convinced he does, he'd be pretty irritated at this. 106 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,120 SMU has got one loss by three points, all the 107 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,240 way back in Week four to a currently undefeated b 108 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:39,079 YU team. I mean, this is this is astonishing to 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,839 me that and look to me, the game is always this. 110 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,120 All right, fine, you want to move him up, then 111 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,040 who do you who do you bounce down? Right? Because 112 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,399 they've got to replace something. You can't just say they 113 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,720 deserve to be higher. That's not good enough. Who do 114 00:05:55,759 --> 00:06:00,759 they deserve to be in front of? And my candidate 115 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,279 is notre Dame. When you look, when you look at 116 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:10,040 the comparables between the two. The one loss that we 117 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,079 talked about for SMU is a three point loss all 118 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:20,199 the way back in early September to BYU. And they've 119 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:23,319 beaten TCU, They've beaten Florida State, you know, and you 120 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:25,759 can say whatever you know. Notre Dame is going to 121 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,079 beat Florida State this coming week. They've both beaten Louisville, 122 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,839 they've both beaten Stanford, and then Notre Dame's loss at 123 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:44,360 home unforgivably, Dan Iu. It's just unimaginable. And Notre Dame 124 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,399 has just as many weaknesses in its schedule, you know, 125 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:53,279 playing Miami of Ohio as SMU does with some of 126 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:58,079 its early games. I think when you look at the wins, 127 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,639 they're comparable. The losses or the loss for each of 128 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,800 them is not comparable. Frankly, SMU's is a lot more 129 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:14,160 forgivable than is Notre Dames. And I would have, you know, 130 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:18,839 I would have SMU. I would drop Notre Dame out 131 00:07:18,839 --> 00:07:23,399 of the top thirteen in order to push SMU up 132 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,959 to I guess that would probably make him number twelve. 133 00:07:27,279 --> 00:07:29,639 I'd put him up there and just drop Notre Dame 134 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,160 out of the top thirteen. Notre Dame's remaining games, Virginia Army, 135 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:37,920 and USC. I mean, really, does anyone think they're going 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,360 to lose any of those? You know, it's it's so 137 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,519 you get kind of a so what about that? Look, 138 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:51,600 SMU just knocked off Pitt, which, in case anyone wasn't 139 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:54,800 paying any attention, Pitt was undefeated going into the game. 140 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:56,279 Speaker 2: I was paying attention, Tony. 141 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: I know you were. I know you were Pit seven 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,000 one and in the top twenty five, in the top 143 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,000 twenty even for that matter. So I just look, I 144 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,160 think the top four certainly made a lot of sense. 145 00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:15,480 The top ten, Yeah, maybe the placement of some of them, 146 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,240 I might, you know, take issue with SMU belongs in there, 147 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,600 and there is really no way for SMU to climb 148 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:29,480 back in to the twelve without losses from somebody else. 149 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,000 They can win out and it's not going to matter. 150 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,200 H They need somebody else in there to lose and 151 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,440 to drop down. And so, you know, to the original question, Rob, yeah, 152 00:08:40,799 --> 00:08:45,360 we're looking at a potential one team acc representation. 153 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:48,759 Speaker 2: So what what man would say about? 154 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: Oh, go ahead, go ahead, Rob, So that was gonna 155 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:52,720 win a big twelve. 156 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: Go ahead, what Ward Manual say about the eye test, 157 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:00,919 because if I'm looking, what role is that playing? Because 158 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,559 if clearly the opponent doesn't matter, because you have a 159 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,679 one loss Notre Dame against NIU, you have a one 160 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,440 loss SMU against an undefeated highly ranked BYU team. I'm 161 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,919 looking at SMUs just score. 162 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: Totals at least. 163 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:18,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to go all the way back really 164 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:21,039 to Week one against Nevada to really find something that 165 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,159 sticks out to me as maybe they didn't perform as 166 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,159 well as they should have. 167 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: They're putting a lot of points on the board, you 168 00:09:27,639 --> 00:09:28,159 have a high. 169 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Offense, and I think they're beating the teams they should 170 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,840 beat pretty handily. 171 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: And if you're going to take word Manual's position and 172 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,159 accept it as reality, which I'm not sure I do, 173 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:44,399 and they come to each week with a clean slate, 174 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,679 which I also think is impossible. But you look at 175 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,039 that eye test and you point out that was a 176 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:55,799 five point win over Nevada, that was with a different quarterback. 177 00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:59,759 They changed quarterbacks in week three, And if you really 178 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,559 are looking at an eye test, you have to take 179 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,159 that into consideration. What team are you looking at now 180 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,360 versus where was it, you know, right back when the 181 00:10:09,399 --> 00:10:11,559 resume started in early September. 182 00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: So my question on the eye test is are we 183 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:16,960 looking at the play on the field there? Are we 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,240 looking at the helmet because you know, I'm gonna I'm 185 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,000 because he was talking about Miami, right He's talking about 186 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:25,960 you know, Cam Moore. It has been explosive for that 187 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,039 and Miami right now four, Yes, they're nine, and it's 188 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,559 been helter skelter, a little bit scary, kind of you know. 189 00:10:34,639 --> 00:10:37,799 Speaker 2: Kind of through out there. But you look at it. 190 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 4: The offense has been great, but that defense is scary, 191 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:44,600 and that defense had that tendency to kind of go there. 192 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,720 And it's like, this is the challenge I think of 193 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:51,399 board manual, you know, of of those of those commissioners 194 00:10:51,399 --> 00:10:54,679 talking to talking to the media, is they say one 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,000 thing about a team and then we say, well what 196 00:10:57,039 --> 00:10:59,759 about this team? And in this case Miami and SMU, 197 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,960 it doesn't quite jive, It doesn't quite make you know, 198 00:11:04,159 --> 00:11:05,159 it doesn't quite make sense. 199 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:05,399 Speaker 2: Jef. 200 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,879 Speaker 4: Miami is nine and fantastic, but I think we can 201 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:12,320 all see them losing at any point in the next 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,519 few weeks or even that conference championship game. 203 00:11:14,919 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: And again muddying the water for the SEC only making 204 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:18,080 it one seam. 205 00:11:19,399 --> 00:11:23,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, look, you when your reward manual or 206 00:11:23,799 --> 00:11:28,200 when you're Rich Clark the executive director, you talk about 207 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,360 the eye test when it suits your purposes to talk 208 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,320 about the eye tests. And I'm not putting it off 209 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,440 on these two. Look, this is my sixth conference call, 210 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,919 you know, sixth the year of conference calls with the 211 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:42,600 Playoff Committee, and they've all done this, you know, the 212 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,720 eye test, the eye test. Look, there are certain things 213 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:49,919 that the committee is not going to say. They're not 214 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:56,240 going to say that the ACC officiating handed Miami the 215 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,799 Virginia Tech game. They're not going to say that ACC 216 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,559 officiating hand in Miami the col game. There are certain 217 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,919 things they're just they're not going to say because it 218 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,919 would be inappropriate for them to say. So the eye test. 219 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,559 I was on a show I think probably pretty close 220 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,480 to when the season started, and we were taking some 221 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,519 calls and there were some Miami fans had some questions 222 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:32,759 for me, and I made the reference that Mario crystal 223 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:35,639 Ball is a good recruiter, he's not a good game 224 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:40,039 day coach. He and this isn't just over what happened 225 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:43,039 with the Georgia Tech game last year. This was when 226 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,480 I was out on the West Coast and covering the 227 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,120 Pac twelve and he was at Oregon. There were Mario 228 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,279 Cristo ball coaching mistakes that cost him then also, and 229 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,519 so I made the reference that if he's a good recruiter, 230 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,519 a great game day coach, it's kind of like a 231 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,159 guy that I would let go do the grocery shopping 232 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,399 but not cook the dinner. And he became dubbed by 233 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,440 me that day to something I've had to live with 234 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,639 the entire season when I called him coach instacart that 235 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,720 he can do the shopping, but keep him out of 236 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:26,000 the kitchen. Well, Miami fans every week check back with 237 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,840 me routinely. I hear from them, Hey, is he allowed 238 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:32,240 to cook it? And I'm like, Eh, he's assistant sioux 239 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:37,519 chef right now. You know, we elevated him from dishwasher. Look, 240 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:43,519 the point being, Miami has a relatively easy path through 241 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,879 the rest of the regular season up to the conference 242 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:52,440 championship game right now would be against SMU, especially you know, 243 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,480 since Clemson lost in Miami and Clemson don't play each other, 244 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,559 that would be the toughest game that would be out there. 245 00:13:59,879 --> 00:14:04,720 So the next tough game, if you will, would be 246 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:09,000 the conference championship game. And Miami is beatable by a 247 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,960 good offense because the defense is still a high wire act, 248 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,519 as is evidenced by the fact that Cowl was in 249 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,519 the game up until the last play of the game. Uh, 250 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:25,519 when you know Miami got away with three offensive linemen 251 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,360 beyond the line of scrimmage. Uh you know the fact 252 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,679 that it took that you know, overturn call against Virginia 253 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,159 Tech on a touchdown and it wasn't a touchdown, but 254 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,159 there also was not enough evidence to overturn the call. 255 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:48,320 Miami is beatable. And either way, though the ACC is 256 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,440 headed towards a one team selection for the playoffs. 257 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,639 Speaker 2: Does that apply to offenses only? Right? You know what? 258 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,679 Speaker 3: On the call with Warden mannual with Rich Clark, and 259 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,879 it's always funny to call him Rich Clark. I sat 260 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,519 down with him at ACC media days, And for those 261 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:15,879 who don't know him, he is a retired lieutenant general 262 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,080 who played his football at the Air Force Academy in 263 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,679 the mid eighties, didn't play that much and went on 264 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:28,639 to his military career. When I referred to him as 265 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,960 Lieutenant general. He said, don't do that. He said, I 266 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,080 appreciate it, but I'm retired and when people refer to 267 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,240 me by my military title, I don't feel retired. And 268 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:42,679 I literally told him, I said, look, man, I'm just 269 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:46,399 some random guy with my microphone and you know, my 270 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:50,879 recording device here, and you're a lieutenant general. This is 271 00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:53,799 you know, And he said, it's just Rich. That's that's 272 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,720 good enough. So anyway, Rich was on the call, and 273 00:15:56,799 --> 00:15:59,759 Ward Manual, the athletic director from Michigan, was on the call, 274 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:03,200 and they're going to again, they're going to say what 275 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:07,120 they need to say to get through it. But when 276 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,559 they talked about the eye test, to your point, Rob, 277 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:14,120 all they ever mentioned was the offenses. It really was, 278 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:18,200 you know. They they mentioned the Ohio State defense a 279 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,080 little bit because they talked about the inconsistency of the 280 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,159 Ohio State offense. It's not as high powered as it 281 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,639 could or should be with the talent that it has 282 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,360 every week. But they didn't say, well the eye test 283 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:35,720 on defense. They just said the defense is the most 284 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:38,360 consistent part of Ohio State right now. 285 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, So my quick question, I think this kind of 286 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,960 goes into both the ACC and the big twelve. When 287 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,000 you look at Boise State that when they were twelve, 288 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:54,759 correct the twelve ranking, yep, I see them as in 289 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,200 prime position because what's interesting about it now with the 290 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,279 new college football playoff format, four conference seeds get that 291 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,000 first round by and right now it looks like Big 292 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:08,480 ten sec haven't for sure, and it looks like it's 293 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,559 about a three way battle now between the ACC, Big 294 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,720 twelve and now Boise State. So if we have a 295 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:19,079 Miami slip up, if we have a BYU step slip up, 296 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:20,839 and again they've got Utah this week, and I know 297 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,680 Utah hasn't been very good, but that is a very 298 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,559 impassioned rivalry. They also have Houston then the season which 299 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,240 is now starting to get hot, so you know, not 300 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,519 out of the realm with possibility. You do see the 301 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:37,119 possibility of Boising if they're able to maintain control, get 302 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,279 up into one of those top four spots. And I 303 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:42,279 think that's the thing that is going to be most intriguing, 304 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:43,839 because I do think ACC is going to be a 305 00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:44,319 one bid. 306 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: I think for the most part, probably the Big twelve. 307 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,559 Speaker 4: I think BYU's kind of got that inside track. But again, 308 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:53,519 any any losses there, I think they get relegated out, 309 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,160 and so I think, to me, that's the most interesting 310 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,680 and the most appealing thing going forward. 311 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 312 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:02,519 Speaker 3: Look, I think that there is a little bit of 313 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,039 recency bias when it comes to when it comes to 314 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,200 some of these guys, even though there are six new 315 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,200 people on the committee, you know, to the point that 316 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:17,759 both of you made earlier, are they looking at the helmets? 317 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:19,440 Are they looking at the conference? 318 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: You know? 319 00:18:19,759 --> 00:18:22,279 Speaker 3: And they can say that they're not. Matter of fact, 320 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:25,279 they did say they don't judge the conference, they judge 321 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:29,000 the teams individually. I don't buy it for one minute 322 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,519 because when you look, Clemson was undefeated up until Saturday, 323 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,559 and they literally dropped what ten spots with the one loss. 324 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: They did have one loss at the start of the year. 325 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: That well to Georgia. Right forgive me, Yeah, they had 326 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,000 the one loss to Georgia. 327 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: You're right. 328 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,079 Speaker 3: Then they won six in a row, right, and they 329 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:53,680 were up to number ten in the country and they lose. 330 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,599 They lose to Louisville and it was an ugly loss. 331 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,599 And man, they dropped like a stone. 332 00:18:59,799 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: And it was. 333 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,599 Speaker 3: Because there's there are no believers in the ACC, even 334 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,039 within the ACC to a large degree, so I think 335 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:11,279 you've got a good point that you know, a couple 336 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:14,920 of losses and Boise State winds up up there. Uh, 337 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,480 pretty you know, sitting pretty well because you've got a 338 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:25,759 log jam of Big ten and SEC schools in the 339 00:19:25,799 --> 00:19:28,599 top ten, top nine. 340 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,559 Speaker 2: So we're talking about so they got one more Tony. 341 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,400 So one of your writers is. 342 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 4: Going to have to do the SEC betting lines this week, 343 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,720 and we're going to look at the impact of You 344 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:41,880 may have to, you know, edit this article per se. 345 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,839 You know, totally theoretical, but you know, if we're if 346 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,880 we're looking at it, you know, the spin up tonight 347 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,799 is the Big ten I'm sorry, the SEC one. They 348 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:57,200 have eight teams rank in the top twenty five. The 349 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,839 Big ten party has four. So I'm going to ask 350 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,839 both of you, is it quantity or is it quality? 351 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,079 Who won which conference? 352 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: Go ahead? 353 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: I think that I think it's quantity in terms of 354 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,960 how the narrative is going to be presented. If you 355 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,799 want to talk about who wins, the way that it's 356 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,279 talked about is just going to be. There's a lot 357 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,279 of SEC flavor in this top twenty five. We go 358 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,519 back to our we keep coming back to this eye 359 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:37,119 test peace. But I'm looking at Tennessee, who two weeks 360 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,799 ago on our show I picked to make it to 361 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,480 the playoff based off schedule, and you have them here 362 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:43,880 as we're looking at the sheet in the one Mulligan 363 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,920 category because they can lose to Georgia and still be 364 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:52,960 a two loss and potentially still sneak in. They look 365 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,319 awful from the eye test perspective. They've gotten by the 366 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,799 skin of their teeth every time. But I guarantee on 367 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,160 every show and every discussion and every highlight reel that 368 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,240 has b roll of them, it's going to be Dylan 369 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,960 Sampson's scoring running in the open field, the good throws 370 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,000 that Nico has, and not the missed opportunities. There may 371 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:16,119 be a blip here or there where they talk about it, 372 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,400 but overall, the narrative from most media outlets potentially ours 373 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,759 as well. Since some writers doing those SEC betting lines 374 00:21:25,799 --> 00:21:28,960 and going to talk about that, is that that because 375 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,880 there's eight that that qualifies the SEC as the strongest 376 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,440 conference because they have the most teams that are there. 377 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 3: I'm going to disagree. 378 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: And if here we like Tony, that's what we're here for. 379 00:21:43,799 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: And here's why, because sure, how many they have in 380 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,440 the top twenty five is swell, and you know, most 381 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,960 of them can go enjoy their you know, post Christmas, 382 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,400 pre New Year's Bowl games, and that's all well and good, 383 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,079 But what we're really talking about is the the schools 384 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:07,039 that are going to make the top twelve, that have 385 00:22:07,079 --> 00:22:10,119 a realistic shot at the top twelve, and a lot 386 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,759 of those that were looking at after you know, in 387 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:19,599 the LSU Ole, Miss, you know, A and M, they're 388 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:26,480 they're short short of an amazing run to the conference championship, 389 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:30,279 not the conference championship game, but the actual conference championship. 390 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:32,640 Because you got two losses already, and you go to 391 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,119 the conference championship game and you got you take your 392 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,079 third loss, you're not going anywhere. They're they're going to 393 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,319 jump teams ahead of you, including teams from your own conference. 394 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,559 So when looking at the teams that are viable right now, 395 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,039 as we sit here and look at this, I think 396 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:51,680 the Big ten had a better night than did the SEC. 397 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,079 You've got to Oregon, You've got Ohio State, you got 398 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:02,359 Penn State, Indiana got a lot of love for a team, 399 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,000 you know whose strength of schedules ranked one hundred and 400 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,519 third in the country. Yeah, they're into They're undefeated. It's 401 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:13,519 a great story, you know, as I as I do 402 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:17,119 my Bear Bryant Coach of the Year voting in a 403 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,160 few weeks. Obviously, as we sit here today, Churt Signetti 404 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:26,200 is is the top of the heap. But you know, 405 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Indiana got a lot of love that they may or 406 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,279 may not have deserved if we're looking at the actual resume. 407 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:39,039 So for those reasons, I actually actually think that today 408 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,759 tonight the big ten had a better night. 409 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: So my what question to you on Indiana? And then 410 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,519 I got one on Penn State question for Indiana. I've 411 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,960 got them in this cautionary one Mulligan. Indiana could lose. 412 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,599 They've got they've got Michigan coming up. I believe they 413 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,880 have Ohio State as well. I think one loss they 414 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,400 could get in. But but what I'm thinking about is 415 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,440 like TCU was that TCU Baylor, Like there was all 416 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400 of a sudden, you know, there was that big shake up. 417 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: They were like in the top where they're in there 418 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,680 in there. 419 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 4: In and then all of a sudden, you know, we 420 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,039 get to the final rankings and Indiana's on the outside 421 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,319 looking in at eleven one. They're they're they're Florida State 422 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,519 and Mike Norbata last year, you know, like what should 423 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,240 what should have cut up? Because again, some of that 424 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,079 I think is strength to schedule. 425 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:31,319 Speaker 2: I think the helmet test also plays the factor. 426 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: That I also think it depends. You know, when we 427 00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:36,680 talk about one loss, who's the one loss too? Is 428 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,200 it to Michigan because that's damaging because Michigan isn't good. 429 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:43,880 Is it to Ohio State? Well, it's a lot more 430 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,599 forgivable if if they can hang with Ohio State. So 431 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:53,279 the the one loss, uh picture, I get, I understand, 432 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,400 but I think it matters just as much who that loss. 433 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: Is too, And I think looks like too right because 434 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,640 he is agreed and you lose by three, it's different 435 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,200 than if you lose by thirty. 436 00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: Agreed the eye test the test. 437 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 4: Yeah all right, So, at the risk of Maggie getting 438 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,799 mad at me, do you believes sailed Craig? 439 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: I know, I know. 440 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 4: Scott Dorshman for the Athletic had a fantastic right up 441 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,480 on Penn State this week and what we call the 442 00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:30,640 midgame mid game James, which I thought was like a 443 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:38,240 really nice, nice piece. Sure, Penn State's got Washington, Purdue, Minnesota, Maryland. 444 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,720 He's not gonna screw this up, Busy Happy Valley. We'll 445 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,400 be making the playoffs this year. What are you thinking? 446 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:50,559 Speaker 3: I actually think he can screw it up. I don't 447 00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:54,279 think the Washington game is an automatic for Penn State. 448 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,400 I think that's probably the only one left on the 449 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,880 schedule that isn't an automatic. Maryland kind of comes and goes. 450 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,079 Speaker 2: But where's Minnesota? Is it at Minnesota? It's Minnesota. 451 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,599 Speaker 3: It's a Minnesota. I don't think it matters. I yeah, 452 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,279 I don't think Minnesota is good enough to hang with him. 453 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:23,839 Look this, they didn't lose a talent game against Ohio 454 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:30,200 State on Saturday. They lost a coaching game when you've 455 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,920 cut four downs inside the five and you get nothing 456 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,559 out of it. And it was the right call to 457 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960 go for it on fourth and fourth down, but it 458 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,319 was the wrong play call. 459 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:44,319 Speaker 2: Man. 460 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: He just I don't know how Penn State fans continue 461 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,720 to be patient at any level with James Franklin. 462 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: They're going to be a million reasons why. 463 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: I think, well, yeah, and I and I get that, 464 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,319 but I'm gonna believe that Penn State can't find a 465 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:05,720 way to pony up the money, it's a bigger question 466 00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:08,240 of who you're going to get if you do fire them. 467 00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:13,920 I think that's bigger than the money itself. When you 468 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,880 can't beat Michigan and you can't beat Ohio State, then 469 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,920 you're nine to ten win seasons that you get every 470 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,240 year really watered down. And to have a game that 471 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,599 was so completely winnable last week at home, it's just 472 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,440 it's mystifying. I mean, these guys, they did what they 473 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,000 always do. They started the season seven and zero, and 474 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,720 then you lose to Ohio State that would have given 475 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,880 them the inside path to a Big ten championship game appearance, 476 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:50,119 and you know they can still get there. They round 477 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,559 the table and they can still get there and wind 478 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,200 up playing Oregon and that's not going to go well 479 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:05,200 for Penn State. Either Oregon's offenses is would would light 480 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:09,759 them up. And so then you're at two losses and 481 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,160 you get it, you're probably getting left out because then 482 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,599 we're back to they're going to jump other teams ahead 483 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,599 of you, even other teams from within your own conference, 484 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,839 and so it's, uh, you know it, it's a struggle 485 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,480 for Penn State, it really is. They're sitting there now 486 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:29,519 they're in a position to get there, but I don't 487 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,200 think at the end of the day they wind up 488 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:31,799 getting there. 489 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,559 Speaker 1: Can I ask an SEC question, that's our that's our forte, 490 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,680 it's your show. 491 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: Let's put you on. 492 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,279 Speaker 1: I want to put you on the spot. Just as 493 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,400 we look at these, at the teams that are here, 494 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,039 I want to, like we said, it's supposed to be 495 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,480 a clean slight every week, I enjoy looking at it 496 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:54,920 as if what if this was the final the final group, 497 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,799 and this is who we have right now. There's four 498 00:28:58,079 --> 00:29:03,799 SEC teams in the top twel does the SEC get 499 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,319 four in? Maybe not these four, but will they get 500 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:07,839 there four? 501 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think they will. And I think this 502 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,160 is the most likely for LSU and A and M 503 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,359 maybe find a way to sneak in. But LSU still 504 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:22,319 got to play Alabama and LSU still has to play Vandy, 505 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:28,279 which is no longer a gimme. So yeah, they can 506 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,519 get in. It most likely is these four. But I 507 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:37,079 said at the beginning of the year that when I 508 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,799 when I was talking about the ACC chances and I 509 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,880 said they'll likely get two. They won't get any more 510 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,640 than two two. It was because you're allocating four to 511 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,079 the SEC three or four to the Big ten. You 512 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,160 throw in a Big twelve school, you throw in you know, 513 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:01,599 another conference champion, you throw in you know, maybe a 514 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:03,839 group of five, and it leaves you know, the a 515 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,000 CEC with one to two schools, you know two at most. 516 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,119 They were never going to get three in. But from 517 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,839 the beginning of the year, I've been assuming the SEC 518 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,160 was going to get four in. 519 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,839 Speaker 2: So at the act one is there, what what's the 520 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,200 path to five for the SEC going back and that 521 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:29,200 losing the mark stoops. I mean that's true. 522 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I me. 523 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:33,599 Speaker 2: To me, that's the all slavely thing. 524 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: It's it's Alabama on that losing to. 525 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: I mean, look, you know the path to five is 526 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,599 a stretch. It's less reliant on the a c C 527 00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,559 only getting one than it is on a B Y 528 00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:00,599 you dropping out. Uh kind of situation. You know so 529 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:05,640 far that there isn't a Big twelve conference champion anywhere, 530 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:09,279 you know, in the viable picture because you're the the 531 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:13,880 power four conferences are not guaranteed. It's the top four 532 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:19,200 conference champions regardless of conference. So there's a little bit 533 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,440 more that has to go on besides just the ACC 534 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:28,079 you know, getting beat up, but I think five is 535 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:31,839 probably a stretch. I don't remember what A and M 536 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680 schedule is. I know they've got to play Texas on 537 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,359 Thanksgiving weekend. 538 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,039 Speaker 2: Texas to Mexico State. 539 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: They also have to go to Auburn, which, okay, these 540 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,839 two knuckleheads are. 541 00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: I would normally give you that one. 542 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: It's Jordan Hare has no power, none with you Freeze 543 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,240 doing whatever he's doing. 544 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, none none. So look, so it's possible A and 545 00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:01,400 M still gets there. You know it would it surprised 546 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,599 me if Mike Elko can can beat Texas, it would 547 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,720 not surprise me at all. Elco is an outstanding coach, 548 00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:10,400 and I had said when he took the job he 549 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,480 was the perfect fit for that program. I didn't think 550 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,759 he would get it done in year one. I thought 551 00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,160 it would take you know, two, three years before they 552 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,000 were a viable conference contender. 553 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,599 Speaker 2: But he is. 554 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 3: He's an outstanding coach. I've seen him the last couple 555 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,279 of years at Duke and he's an outstanding coachy. And 556 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,880 Texas Texas can lose that game. Texas's defense is what 557 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:36,480 we not even close to what we thought. It was 558 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680 a few weeks ago where we were raving about the 559 00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:43,400 defense looks much better than what they're getting credit for now. 560 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,720 The credit was appropriate. They're not that good defensively. They're 561 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,440 going to have to outscore everybody else on their schedule. 562 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,640 And you know, they'll beat Florida, they'll beat Arkansas, they'll 563 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,880 beat Kentucky. The A and M game is not in obvious. 564 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:01,599 Speaker 4: They have ours though, Tony. Don't forget they have arts 565 00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:02,559 in their back pocket. 566 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,119 Speaker 3: Whatever Archie Arch is fine. Arch would have been a thing. 567 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm calling Kate. That's it. I'm calling Kate. Kate will 568 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,400 defend me on this one. 569 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: My guest, Kate's on Twitter right now lobbying to get 570 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,680 on the show. 571 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,759 Speaker 2: So that's what. That's the that's the conversation you need 572 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:20,000 to have. 573 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: Arch would have been a three to four star recruit 574 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,720 if his last name was Smith or Syracusa. 575 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,279 Speaker 1: Hey, So one last thing, Tony, I know we won't 576 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,920 let you go. And it's a busy night and a 577 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,880 lot of things are happening. But as you look at 578 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,839 these teams, obviously you were on the call. 579 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,599 Speaker 2: With Ward Manual. 580 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,319 Speaker 1: And the rest of the and the rest of the 581 00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,759 guys there, and you know, what they said is kind 582 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:49,839 of what I expected them to. 583 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:53,799 Speaker 3: Say said, that's what's getting let me give you a preview. 584 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:55,799 It's what's gonna get said next week too. 585 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: But so, what's the biggest shocker to you outside out 586 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,720 of SMU, because I think that jumped off to me, 587 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,039 It jumped off to you if anything surprises you from 588 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,719 how they how they laid this out. 589 00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: What what is it this week that kind of kind 590 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,159 of caught your eye. 591 00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,679 Speaker 3: I think I think the top four were in obvious. 592 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,280 I think five, six, and seven were relatively obvious, although 593 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,400 you know, you could argue maybe they're in the wrong order. 594 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,559 You know, maybe you put Tennessee ahead of Penn State 595 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,440 or whatever. But at this point, until we get to 596 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,280 the seat, the actual seating at the end of the year, 597 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,920 it's inconsequential. Where you know where you are numbers five, six, 598 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,679 and seven, it really doesn't matter. I think they gave 599 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,280 Indiana more credit than I expected them to, again based 600 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,239 on A and I and I like Indiana. It's a 601 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,679 fun team to watch, and you know, sold out football stadium. 602 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,239 It's like, are you kidding me? At Indiana, you know school, 603 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480 you used to be able to walk up to one, 604 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,880 you know, half hour before the game and go to 605 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,760 the ticket office and get discounted tickets for twenty bucks, 606 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,559 you know, to get in for the day. It's really 607 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:17,320 impressive and signetti is impressive. But their strength of schedule 608 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,519 is a hundred and third in the country. So I 609 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,840 think they got a little bit more credit than they 610 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,880 probably deserved. I've already talked about Notre Dame got more 611 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,880 credit than they deserved. You know, the committee talked about 612 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,519 and I'm looking at my notes and he used the 613 00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:42,760 term unimaginable loss than I you, well, but you didn't 614 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,800 treat it like it was an unimaginable loss. You still 615 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,199 put them in the in the playoffs. So was it 616 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,800 really unimaginable? I mean, yes, it should have been. It 617 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,440 should be NIU should never go to Notre Dame Stadium 618 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,400 and win that game. But it's so oh, I think 619 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,880 they got a little bit more credit they deserved. You know, 620 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,000 Alabama is going to be there at the end. I 621 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,320 know Alabama fans are struggling with the idea they have 622 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,079 two losses at this point in the season, but they'll 623 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,880 take care of LSU and then they get the they 624 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,760 get the game. That just it drives me nuts. I 625 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,920 I know, I am very cognizant of the show that 626 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,480 I am on and who your audience is. But I 627 00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,519 swear those out of conference games in the third week 628 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:37,719 of November drive me nuts. Play them at the beginning 629 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,719 of the season. Stop doing it while everybody else is 630 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,599 in the fight for their conference championship and you're playing 631 00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:52,440 some directional school or you know, Savannah State, whatever. 632 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,559 Speaker 4: You know, when you play through the rigor of the 633 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,519 SEC schedule, you need a way to catch your breath. 634 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 2: There is no there is no catching your breath. 635 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 4: And yeah, they. 636 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,119 Speaker 3: Have they have breaks on the schedule. It's called Auburn, 637 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,719 it's called Oklahoma. They got breaks on the schedule already. 638 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,679 Speaker 1: Well, we used to have breaks called Vandy, and uh, 639 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,400 Jerry Kill has changed that narrative for us. So sometimes 640 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,280 you got you gotta schedule the Citadel. Oh wait, that's 641 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,480 Clemson in November. 642 00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,679 Speaker 3: Look, and I get and I give Clemson grief. Fourth Look, 643 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,440 I am one of those people that and I and 644 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,599 I realized this is very quixotic. I realize I'm don 645 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:46,119 quixote here that everybody needs to be at nine conference games, period, 646 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,000 end of story done. Everybody needs to be at nine 647 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,679 conference games because until you have that kind of balance. 648 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,480 Then strength of schedule is a made up criteria. Because 649 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,840 you got some with eight conference games, you got some 650 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,000 with nine, you got some playing Mercer. You know, in 651 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,960 the middle of November, it's it's until until everybody is 652 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,800 at nine conference games. The idea of strength the schedule 653 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:14,840 is laughable. 654 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 4: But I have but Tony, who's going to play Acron 655 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,599 Old Dominion? 656 00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 2: Then yeah, has got to get his wins. 657 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,679 Speaker 3: Okay, play playing in September where the games belong. 658 00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: This has been that's when we played them. This has 659 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,199 been an incredible discussion. Craig, I believe has our last 660 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,519 word as we close up. 661 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 2: That would you play Acron or the Old Dominion? It's 662 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,039 not that okay. 663 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:41,639 Speaker 4: So if I'm looking at the top ten Oregon through 664 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,519 Notre Dame, somebody's not going to make the party come December. 665 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,920 I want to hear the one team for both of you. 666 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,599 Who's not gonna who's not going to get invited to 667 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,320 the dance, Who's going to be left left that home? 668 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,559 Brian and their tears. 669 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,639 Speaker 3: Who's going for this? 670 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 4: Well, Raval go first because he's got he's got an 671 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,719 Excel sheet. I don't know if you knew that Tony, 672 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,519 but he's got an Excel sheet, and I'm sure the 673 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,239 Excel sheet can tell us the answer. 674 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm going with Penn State if I'm looking at one 675 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,800 through ten, and back to Tony's argument that Washington is 676 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,119 not a gimme, I'm gonna actually say Minnesota's not a 677 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,679 gimme either, and so I think there's a couple more 678 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,119 land mines to step on there, and they just have 679 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,519 the potential to step on them, and so and the 680 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:33,719 quarterback situation is questionable at best to me. I don't 681 00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,960 color has really, you know, he has just hasn't been 682 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,599 all that impressive to me in terms of moving the 683 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,960 ball and scoring and being explosive, and there's just nobody 684 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,840 to throw it to, like Julian Fleming is not has 685 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,800 not been the guy either. Top playmaker is at the 686 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,159 tight end position. And that's all well and good, and 687 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,280 that's Big ten football. But I think he had what 688 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,360 was it, seventeen seventeen touches. I just don't know that 689 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,199 that really is a recipe for long term and success. 690 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,639 And I've heard I've heard that take on other shows 691 00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:05,599 and I and I'm been standing on it as well. 692 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,880 If you go get a receiver in the portal, we 693 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,079 might be having a different discussion about James Franklin. 694 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm going to go. I'm gonna go with Penn State. 695 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,039 Speaker 1: And my added bonus is LSU guys have done this 696 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,239 weekend and they're not in the top ten, but Alabama's 697 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,280 out of the playoffs. 698 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me be for Brian Kelly's first big win ever, 699 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,079 but that didn't happen. 700 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: Also shout out to our guy Kevin mcguffy for nailing 701 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,559 all these teams. The seating wasn't exactly there, but. 702 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ken, you know what, ket Ken is really good 703 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,119 at this with the bowl projections, to the point where 704 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:43,400 I now have a couple of coaches who asked me, 705 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,320 like under weekly press conferences, Hey, Tony, where do you 706 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,679 guys have us? Which bowl game do you guys have 707 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,719 us going to this week? I've got coaches, you know, 708 00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,480 asking me when I talked to them during the week. 709 00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,679 Because Kevin, Kevin is Kevin is really good at this. 710 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,079 I mean, he remembers conference tie ins and things like 711 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:09,159 that that I would never remember in a million years, 712 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:14,320 and he's got it down. Look, logically, I would say 713 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,000 Notre Dame's not gonna make it because someone's gonna jump 714 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,800 over them. But I'm not gonna say that because they're 715 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,639 Notre Dame and they apparently are going to get some 716 00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,599 extra love and wiggle room from the committee. I'm actually 717 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,639 agreeing with Rob. I think it's Penn State that doesn't 718 00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,320 make it because I see two more losses in their future. 719 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,360 I see a loss to Washington and if if they 720 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,400 were somehow to climb over Ohio State or get to 721 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,239 the conference championship game, they're not being regardless of who 722 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,239 it's against Oregon or Ohio State, they're not winning that 723 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,920 game either. They're a three loss team by the time 724 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,840 the regular season is over. So I don't think Penn 725 00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,079 State survives it either. 726 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 2: They would do better too, because here it goes here 727 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,159 it is. It's the you baby Wow. 728 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,039 Speaker 4: We've got Georgia Tech this week, so let's see if 729 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,599 we can take a knee. It's hanging back Damon Deacons 730 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:19,079 coming up eleven twenty three, Brian Brown and Syracuse and 731 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:21,559 the Orange, or they're going to get it in the 732 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:22,880 ACC Championship. 733 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,559 Speaker 2: Nope, here's the deal. 734 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 4: Mario Christobaul, Just like James Franklin, I think there's a 735 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000 theme here with our last word is going to find 736 00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:35,199 a way to screw it up and the you will 737 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:38,119 continue to be a thing of the past. 738 00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: Do you has this is I'll credit as I ought 739 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,440 to do Jase Schreber on pointing this out to begin with. 740 00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,159 But do you has one thing that they have haven't 741 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:51,199 had in decades and it's a quarterback? Yeah, that's the difference. 742 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 743 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,679 Speaker 3: I mean, Ward's top five in the country in pretty 744 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,679 much every category you can imagine. And that schedule you 745 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,239 point it out, I mean, goodness, gracious, they're going to 746 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,480 be wake Forest by forty points down in down in 747 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,239 South Beach. 748 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,039 Speaker 2: You know the doubt. 749 00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:16,639 Speaker 3: Look if if if if Dave were honest about it, 750 00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,320 which he could never publicly be, he would say, Yeah, 751 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,199 I'm you know, a little bothered by that one. Wake 752 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,760 Forest is four and four with four games left, so 753 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,559 they need to go to and you know, they need 754 00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,960 to win two of them to get to Bowl eligibility, 755 00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:37,119 and nobody in the program, nobody is picking up Miami 756 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,679 game as one of their two wins. There's no way 757 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,519 syrahcuse Syracuse had a nice start. I like fran Brown, 758 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920 the offense has become kind of stagnant, you know, Kyle 759 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,159 McCord started really well, but it's become kind of stagnant. 760 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,480 I think Miami runs the table how they do in 761 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,320 the conference championship game. Yeah, you know, I don't know. 762 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,559 Speaker 2: You're gonna have to score. I don't know who is 763 00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:02,559 there to outscore them. 764 00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:05,119 Speaker 3: Craig, Yeah, I think that's a good point, Rob, I do. 765 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,559 Speaker 4: It's a Carrier Dome, That's what I'm saying. I'm not 766 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,599 going to call it the j w A Wireless Dome. 767 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,519 Speaker 2: I already I get. 768 00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 4: I get that thing about that from my other editor 769 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,079 to tell me it's always the Carrier Dome. 770 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 3: To me, here's why you need to call it the 771 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,559 j w A Dome because for all those decades when 772 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:28,239 it was the Carrier Dome, Carrier did not supply air 773 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,559 conditioning to the dome. That place did not get a 774 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,159 c until last year when j w A took over 775 00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:40,320 the sponsorship of it. Carrier air Conditioning did not have 776 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,760 its facility air conditioned. So they don't they don't get 777 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,960 to call it anything anymore. 778 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't in the contract. It wasn't the best didn't 779 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,679 negotiate that in the contract. 780 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: All Right, It's been a lot of fun and it's 781 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,639 time to get back to the news. See what's going on, 782 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,079 but hey. 783 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 2: A great time to talk college football. 784 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,159 Speaker 1: Special thank you to our man Tony Syracusa, the managing 785 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,679 editor at last Word on College Football, for his his 786 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,360 expertise and his insight coming right off of the college 787 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,840 of the College Football Playoff Committee. We appreciate you as always, Tony, 788 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,760 and we look forward to having you. 789 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 2: Look forward to having you back. 790 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: As we move into this playoff season and the most 791 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,639 exciting end to college football that we've ever had. This 792 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,280 has been. It just means more football and coffee. I'm 793 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,400 Rob Williams. He's scrap Michael. We'll see you next time.