WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:09.000 Callaroga Shark Media. 2 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.160 Hi there, I'm Johnny Mack with your daily Comedy News 3 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:17.559 Today crossover episode with The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm is 4 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.120 the host of The Letterman Podcast, and he had seen 5 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:22.879 a list of the top ten late night host of 6 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:25.480 all time and he didn't like the list, so he 7 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:28.399 made his own and he wanted me to react to it. 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:30.280 So over the Christmas break he was like, Hey'm going 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:31.559 to send you a list. I'm like, don't send me 10 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:33.320 the list. I don't want to see your list. I'll 11 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.079 just react to it. So that's what you're going to 12 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:35.960 hear right now. 13 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.240 We've talked a little bit about your reaction to the 14 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:41.479 Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. Well, there's 15 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:44.159 been a few late night ones as well. One particular 16 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.119 late night list came out, the top ten late night 17 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:51.960 Hosts of All Time list, which I appreciated. It's hard 18 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:53.759 when it's a mount rushmore when you got to pick four. 19 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.439 It's hard when it's ten. You've got a little bit 20 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:58.719 more breathing room and you can talk about things. I 21 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:00.399 did not like the list that came out. I don't 22 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.719 even want to, you know, I don't wanna. I wasn't 23 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:05.799 a fan of the list that came out, and and 24 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.400 and so I decided to pend my own top ten list, 25 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:10.640 and I find I think that I did a pretty 26 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:14.319 good job. I have not made this list public to anybody. 27 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:15.959 You're the first person that's going to hear it. And 28 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.079 the whole premise of the show was you reacting to 29 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:22.680 what I think is the definitive top ten late night 30 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.280 hosts in history list. 31 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.319 So that got this up, you gotta say. From the 32 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:32.439 home office in Vancouver, it's the top ten late night 33 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:35.920 hosts of all time, topka late night hosts of all time, 34 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:36.480 number ten. 35 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.959 Okay, I got that, I got that in I got 36 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.840 that in my head. And so what we're gonna do? Okay, 37 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:45.200 from the home office in Lumbee, British Columbia, the top 38 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.480 ten late night television hosts in history. For me, the 39 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.359 top ten late night host it has to be started 40 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:54.879 by Steve Allen. Number ten is Steve Allen. And this 41 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.280 list is is I like this list because there's a 42 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:58.959 couple that are sort of combined with each other. There 43 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.079 are a couple that are kind of group together. But 44 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.280 I start the list with Steve Allen because as far 45 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.560 as I'm concerned, this is the guy that set the blueprint. 46 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.319 You do talk about a blueprint that even in twenty 47 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.319 twenty five, the format is the same for the most part, 48 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.360 the desk, the monologue, the guests, the panel, the way 49 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.000 that they're set up. This is the guy that basically 50 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.879 said this is how it's gonna be. Yes, there were 51 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.360 shows before him, there were stuff that came along before him, 52 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:26.120 but Steve Allen is the guy that actually set the tone, 53 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.639 and all these years later, you know that blueprint is 54 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.319 still being followed. So to me, you start the list 55 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:36.800 with Steve Allen, you know, not because he was the 56 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:38.439 first to do it. You make him number one, but 57 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.360 you say, okay, you're the guy. You're the guy that's 58 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:41.639 going to start the list, just like you're the guy 59 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:43.800 that started the genre. That's why I positioned him at 60 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:44.319 number ten. 61 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:45.719 Oh absolutely. 62 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:48.319 If we had a magic wand and you could take 63 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.439 Steve Allen in his prime and say, you know, we're 64 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.319 going to use doctor Who technology here, Steve Allen in 65 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.599 your prime, right now, I need you to host. I 66 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.240 need you to fill in for Johnny Carson on a 67 00:02:58.280 --> 00:02:59.759 Tuesday night in nineteen seventy six. 68 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:00.280 Done. 69 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.439 I need you to fill in on Late Night with 70 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:06.120 David Letterman on a Monday in nineteen eighty five. No problem, 71 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.879 where's the Alka Seltzer suit. I got this same note 72 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.960 on Conan Hey, John Stewart's throwing up in the bathroom. 73 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:15.360 You think you can wing the Daily Show for us? Absolutely? 74 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.080 Jimmy Kimmel doesn't want to do it anymore. You want 75 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.400 to show on ABC in twenty twenty eight, Sure, so 76 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.719 on Steve Allen one. 77 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.280 There we go, and and and the cool thing about 78 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:28.240 Steve and not just Steve, but some of the other 79 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:32.159 the other you know, pioneers of of of of this genre. 80 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.280 If you go onto Don Giller's David Letterman YouTube channel, 81 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.879 if you go to Don Giller's YouTube channel, there's the 82 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.199 talk show host compilation. And I've talked about this one 83 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.120 a lot. I don't know if there's any series. And 84 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:46.840 this is a this is a big commitment because it's 85 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.639 like there's seven parts to it, and I think they're 86 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.560 all an hour each something like that. But it's in 87 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.240 order every single talk show host appearance on one of 88 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.919 David Letterman shows, and Steve Allen appeared on Late Night. 89 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:02.639 I think you've appeared on the Morning Show too. Now 90 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.199 I think about it the Morning Show and Late Night 91 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:09.719 and it's it's it's really cool watching Steve. His influence 92 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.919 on Dave is obvious in the first couple interactions. There's 93 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.079 a nervousness that Dave has, and I love that about 94 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.319 early Dave. You know, it's the exact opposite of where 95 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.279 he is right now. He's not the elder statesman that 96 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.000 can that can communicate with anybody. He is really nervous 97 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:26.399 and UH. And and to watch Steve come in and 98 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.439 and and and im part some wisdom and grace in 99 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.519 doing so and even doing the show is such a 100 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.839 cool thing. And and so I highly recommend that for 101 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.519 people who love this stuff, highly recommend going and watching 102 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:41.160 that compilation. UH number nine another trailblazer in his own right. 103 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:45.439 Arcinio Hall and I have our studio here at number 104 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:49.319 nine because, of course UH the first talk show host 105 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.639 of of UH of color who has his own full 106 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:55.279 time show. Johnny of course had guest hosts of color 107 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.199 for the Tonight Show, but this is the first one 108 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.000 that it's really helmed his own deal, and not just 109 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:04.240 helmed his own deal, but was he was a culture, 110 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:08.639 a significant person in culture, all culture. I was a 111 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.560 huge hip hop fan growing up, and I love the 112 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.560 music on late night. I love the music that would 113 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:16.600 show up on late night. There was but but to 114 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.160 be perfectly frank, the bullseye for me when it came 115 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.240 to music on any late night talk show of me 116 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:24.600 growing up, it was our Senio Hall, our senior Hall. 117 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.279 Had phenomenal music, he had phenomenal guests. He had a 118 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:31.199 different vibe to things, of course, and I thought, uh, 119 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.279 just the way that he I mean, he's the guy 120 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.839 that many people said, oh yeah, Carson's in trouble because 121 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.759 this new hip person is coming in. And he was 122 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.680 a cultural phenomenon as well. Obviously didn't have the lasting power, 123 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.639 but at the same time significant enough to make it 124 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:48.279 to the top ten. 125 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.199 Oh absolutely. If you think of a lot of people 126 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.319 that took on the Johnny timeslot, if not Johnny specifically, 127 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:59.279 they were all playing on Johnny's corner, Let's do something 128 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.120 similar like if you looking like Pat, say, Jack Show, 129 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.319 what is that? It's you know, it's the Tonight show 130 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:06.519 without being the Tonight show, Like what are we doing? 131 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.920 Whereas Arsenio did something different for a different audience. And 132 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.720 there was a lot of different audience out there and 133 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:18.800 both shows could coexist. You you are reminding me of 134 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:22.639 the Carsenio sketch. Now, yes, I'm trying to remember. I've 135 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.879 read several Carson books, and I can't remember where the 136 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.560 experts have landed if that sketch actually bothered Johnny or not. 137 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.319 But the Carsenio sketch, for people who have not seen it, 138 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:35.920 it's on YouTube. It's a must watch, and it really 139 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.439 speaks to that particular moment. 140 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:42.480 It does and from where I from what I have heard, 141 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.959 let me ask Mark Malkoff about it. But but yeah, Johnny, 142 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.319 one of the things that gave Johnny pause in his 143 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.240 entire career was Arcinio. But also Carcinio, the idea of 144 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:59.959 of of of being able to, you know, maybe get 145 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.639 maybe not a full on gut shot, but a grazing 146 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.759 bullet to the bulletproof man. I think is something that 147 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:12.560 happened there. And apparently Arsenio gave Johnny pause saying well, 148 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.639 maybe it is time to hang it up. So I mean, 149 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.160 that's that's significant in itself. Yeah. 150 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.120 I mean, you know, we all age, and I increasingly 151 00:07:22.199 --> 00:07:24.639 feel my own age, and I love doing my podcast. 152 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.439 I'm like, you know, at some point in the not 153 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.079 crazy future, it's gonna be like, Okay, seventy year old 154 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.000 man talking about Dane Cook. What David Letterman? That show 155 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:34.199 aired sixty years ago, old timer, what are you talking about? 156 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.519 You know, I do sort of have an unofficial line. 157 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.480 I've never really pondered where it is. But there are 158 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:45.759 comedic things that I don't talk about because it's like 159 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:49.319 speaking a different language. I self possess profess to live 160 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:52.319 on Old Man Mountain, and at some point it's just 161 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.360 it's just not my thing. Somebody's doing something on TikTok. 162 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.360 It's wonderful, it's great, people love it. I don't get 163 00:07:58.399 --> 00:07:59.920 it if you ever want to feel old. Every now 164 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.759 and then Variety will do a top twenty, like you know, 165 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.199 next gen Superstars of Media thing, and you go down 166 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.120 the list you mentioned before, not being familiar with mister Beast, 167 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.720 never mind mister Beast. You go down their top twenty 168 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.399 listen and you're like, I don't know any of these people, 169 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.560 which is fine, Which is fine. You know, I could 170 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.399 say to my kids, Hey, there was this guy Dave, 171 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:25.759 and he threw watermelons off a tower and they'll be like, yeah, okay, Boomer, Yeah. 172 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:27.800 I keep saying that to my granddaughter, she's seven. I'm 173 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:29.399 putting all this pressure on her, saying, you're the one 174 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:31.160 that's got to keep me cool. You make sure you 175 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:32.279 only like cool things. 176 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.399 Okay, you see, there's no window here. So when he 177 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:38.679 throws the card and it's a sound effect, and that's funny. 178 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:42.519 It's funny because there's no window. Kids, it's really funny. 179 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:46.120 What that being said? She and I because I mean, 180 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.039 I'm playing he out the idea of her, of her 181 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.519 doing some reaction videos to some of the stuff Dave did. 182 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:53.080 When I put on Dave's stuff where he's throwing stuff 183 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:56.799 off a tower, she absolutely to this day. Twenty in 184 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.639 twenty twenty five, a seven year old girl laughs her 185 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.879 little off when she sees him throwing stuff off the 186 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.519 tower or running things over with the steamroller. She loved 187 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.399 the running scens over with the steamroller. But oh, she 188 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:10.200 asks to watch it. She's seven, So that gives me 189 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.480 hope for that generation. 190 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.440 Right, But like, what's funny about Larry Budd Melman not 191 00:09:15.519 --> 00:09:17.799 being able to really hear what Dave's saying. All the 192 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:21.639 timing's wrong. The guy is not really delivering the lines. Well, 193 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:22.799 like why is that funny? 194 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.279 It just is? But like, hey, kids want to watch 195 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:26.519 Larry Budd Melman. What? 196 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:30.600 Yeah, I don't know. Okay, now you go. Now I've 197 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:32.480 got it. Now I've got an assignment. Lara needs to 198 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:34.159 see Larry Budd Melman and we'll have to find out. 199 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:38.399 Number eight Craig Ferguson. The people that made this list 200 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:42.000 are ones who definitely changed, who added something to the game. 201 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:43.960 Maybe it didn't change the game, but they added something 202 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:50.480 to me. Ferguson, you know, I loved him. My golden 203 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.399 age in watching late night television, h was when I 204 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:57.200 could watch late show Conan's Show on TBS and Craig Ferguson. 205 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.320 I know that that is not necessarily popular to a 206 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:02.279 lot of the purest. As far as I'm concerned, Conan 207 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.399 and Ferguson are two that were influenced by guys like 208 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.399 Dave and and some of this stuff that's out there 209 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:11.320 that the esoteric stuff perhaps or you know, just the 210 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:15.080 plain weird, uh, you know, and and the idea that 211 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.559 he evolved his show to a place where he had 212 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.799 a robot skeleton for a sidekick and they had a 213 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.240 you know, two guys in a in a two man 214 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.120 horse costume that would come in every single night, and 215 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.639 the audience not only bought it, but they yearned for 216 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.039 it when Secretariat would come in. You know, he had 217 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:34.720 a he had a cult following. I really appreciate his sensibility, 218 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:40.480 but he also brought some seriousness to the zaniness. You know, 219 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:42.440 when he had Desmond tutu on as a guest or 220 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:44.799 some of these other people that Craig ferguson to me, 221 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.279 moved the ball up the field and did it in 222 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.519 a very very compelling way. That's why he makes the 223 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:52.120 list in the top ten. Did you did you ever? 224 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:54.639 You know he started as a stand up I don't 225 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.320 know if you guys his past ever would have crossed 226 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:58.679 the curious thing? You must have? 227 00:10:58.799 --> 00:10:59.200 You must have? 228 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.399 Yes, I got to work with Craig a handful of times. 229 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:05.759 He came up, maybe to just do a guest appearance, 230 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.399 and we asked him to do some vo for the 231 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:12.600 Radio Classics channel, and he started improving and we're like, wait, 232 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:14.799 there's something here, and he agreed to come back the 233 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:16.879 next day. We grabbed this guy Ghosty, who was on 234 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.519 the staff who could do voices and improv, you know, 235 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.480 well enough to keep up with Craig Ferguson. And they 236 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.799 came back and just rift and I forget what we 237 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:28.000 even did with it, but it was just one of 238 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:30.000 those magical things of like, oh, this is fun. I 239 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.080 get to do this today. I'm going to just hang 240 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.320 out in the studio and watch Craig Ferguson improv and 241 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.639 really super nice guy. I've always said, not that he's 242 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.000 a troll on TV, but he's in person. He's super handsome, Like, 243 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.600 he's a really good looking dude. YEA. Loved working with him, 244 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.000 would love to run into him again. I've got to 245 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.720 see him just as a fan, you know, not going hey, 246 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:53.799 can we meet you? Back to say, it's just like 247 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:55.200 I'm going to buy tickets, go to a show and 248 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.960 go home. Really fantastic. It's a shame he didn't stay 249 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:01.720 with Late Night because he would have had a thirty 250 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:05.360 year run at it. You know, boy, don't you wish 251 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:07.519 you could put him on at twelve thirty tonight and 252 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:07.919 he was on. 253 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.080 He's fantastic. I would put him on any like. I 254 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:14.559 listened to his podcast now and it's fun to the 255 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.720 one thing that you mentioned there when you the idea 256 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.279 of bringing him back to do some work with Ghosty. 257 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:22.279 The thing that Craig brings to the table is something 258 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:27.240 similar that Dave has, where his reactions are very good 259 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:30.639 and very funny and very out out of left field. 260 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.039 And when he has somebody like Josh Robert Thompson who 261 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:35.120 did the voice for Jeffrey Pretyson, and then of course 262 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:37.600 Morgan Freeman and all these other stuff. Josh is amazing. 263 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.840 Josh has been on this show and we had a marathon. 264 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:42.639 I think it was a two hour conversation with Josh 265 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:45.600 two and a half hours on here. And the idea 266 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.759 that there's this guy that is so good that he 267 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:51.200 is actually the voice of Morgan Freeman when they want 268 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:54.519 to edit and make the safe for TV movies and 269 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.960 they edit his dialogue. He's the guy that does not 270 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.000 just Morgan, but other people's voices, and yet he's crazy 271 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.639 as as I'll get out. And then Craig can react 272 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:05.879 to that. I love that Craig can react to that. 273 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.399 Craig was so he would take the blue cart of 274 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:12.519 what the segment producer had prepared for him for who 275 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.559 his upcoming guest was, and he would tear it up 276 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.159 beforehand because he wanted to have a spontaneous conversation with people. 277 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.480 That is playing with a net, like being able to 278 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:25.679 rely on your rap year like wit and and and react, 279 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:27.679 and that be the source of the entertainment. Even the 280 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.039 monologue was loose. The monologue was on bullet points and 281 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:32.840 the idea that he would just come out and start 282 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:36.399 talking and and not just be able to sustain an audience. 283 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.960 But like you said, if he chose to, could have 284 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.720 gone on a run that would put him up there, 285 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:46.639 you know, with the greats. But his sensibility was I 286 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.519 don't want to be part of this late night club. 287 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.600 And and that was fun too. He's a little punk rock, 288 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.879 He's a lot punk rock in fact, when you look 289 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.519 at Craig's history. So yeah, to me, he's a guy 290 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.679 that that certainly deserves to be on the last Sorry 291 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.080 to cut you please. 292 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:02.919 Is that is that. 293 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.279 Part of the magic that I don't want to be 294 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:07.480 part of this club. Now I can break that apart 295 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.039 because Jimmy Kimmel wants to be David Letterman. David Letterman 296 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.080 wanted to be Johnny Carson but wasn't allowed to be 297 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:18.279 Johnny Carson twice and that sort of created David Letterman. Yep, 298 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.600 Conan O'Brien, some random writer in the game who. 299 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.080 Has the who are you giving the show too? What 300 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:23.639 are you saying? 301 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:23.960 So? Like? 302 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:27.519 Is that part of the magic of not wanting to 303 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.240 do the show? And conversely, is that part of the 304 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:37.080 problem people have with Jimmy Fallon who I respect Jimmy's game. 305 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.840 Jimmy understands what the Tonight show is and he runs 306 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:41.360 he runs the playbook. 307 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:42.720 Is it cool? 308 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.679 It is not cool? Nope, But he runs the playbook 309 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:47.240 the way he's asked to run it. He runs it 310 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.080 very well, and he's going to wind up being the 311 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:52.799 last eleven thirty show standing. It sounds like, but you know, 312 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.519 is there something to be said to I don't actually 313 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:56.200 want to do this? 314 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:00.440 Well, this is okay, John, Jimmy Kimmel one more year. 315 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.600 I'm gonna sign on a one year contract. And I 316 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.120 mean some people look at it and go, okay, Yeah. 317 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:06.639 He doesn't want to get in the way of the 318 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.480 Colbert because Colbert is gonna have his big send off, Like, 319 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:13.360 I mean, we're about to enter an era here, you know, 320 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.200 I remember the last six weeks of Dave. There's gonna 321 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.200 be an era here where Colbert is ramping up to 322 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.480 his leaving. I can see why Kimmel didn't want to 323 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:23.000 be a part of that. But there's also a part 324 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.120 of me that goes, it'd be cool to see Jimmy 325 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.200 Kimmel do this for year to year, for the next 326 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:31.639 five years. Because he's walking on the knife's edge. He's like, Okay, 327 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:32.919 am I going to keep doing it? Am I not 328 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:34.879 going to keep doing it? And to me that adds 329 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:38.039 an element of freshness, just like the hesitation, I don't 330 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.480 want to do this. I don't want to be that guy. Ferguson, 331 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:42.639 you know, for a long time wasn't wearing a tie, 332 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.879 and then he went and started wearing vests and he 333 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.639 started doing different things to try and because he was 334 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:53.480 uncomfortable with conformity and the idea of wanting to break 335 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.440 out of that. Somehow, I think absolutely is part of 336 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.240 the magic. A hesitation I'm doing this, but I don't 337 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.039 really want to be here kind of an attitude. Oh 338 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:04.600 we love that stuff. But again, it's the same example 339 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.879 that Bill Carter used in his in his book talking 340 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.200 about in Late Shift, talking about the difference between Dave 341 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:11.879 and j you know, it's it's it's it's pop music 342 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:15.639 versus Pink Floyd. You know, they're different atmospheres, they're different people, 343 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.320 they're different everything. There's a big group of people that 344 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.720 love Jimmy Fallon and it's it's a pop music group, 345 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:24.480 whereas some people who are more like aficionados like us, 346 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.919 are like, well, yeah, it's just that that was my 347 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.279 thing with Dave and j And by the way, number 348 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.360 seven on the list of the top ten greatest late 349 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:36.639 night hosts in history, Number seven is Jay Leno. 350 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.440 Jay Leno, that guy's the worst. Okay, we'll take the 351 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:41.600 break here and we'll come back and talk about the 352 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.960 most hated man in the world, Jay Leno. We continue 353 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.720 with a look at Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast's 354 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:51.159 Top ten Greatest late night Hosts of All Time and 355 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.639 apparently this next guy who. 356 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:56.919 On the list of the top ten greatest late night 357 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:00.240 hosts in history, number seven is Jay Leno. Oh the 358 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.720 list the worst guy whoever? Let this guy, this guy, 359 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:09.000 Jay Leno, He's the worst. The way he will have 360 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:12.079 opinions about late night television as if he knows anything 361 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:12.680 about it. 362 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:14.799 Did you see during the summer they asked him about 363 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:16.079 Colbert and he weighed in on it. 364 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:17.799 What a hirk? What does he know? 365 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.640 He's hosted what twenty two years of The Tonight Show, 366 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.799 more episodes than anybody, including Johnny Carson. As if jay 367 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:28.079 Leno has any expertise in Late Night The worst guy 368 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:30.200 plus the way you know his poor wife has dementia 369 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:31.799 and he takes care of her and cares in the bathroom. 370 00:17:31.839 --> 00:17:34.440 This guy's the worst. I can understand why people can't 371 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:36.279 stand Jay Leno. He just seems like an awful guy, 372 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:36.720 doesn't he? 373 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:42.480 Oh, I was so hoping you would do that. Let's 374 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.000 I want to talk about that a little bit, because 375 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.079 this is this is the thing on your show whatever, 376 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.000 somebody whatever jay Leto seems to pipe up about something, 377 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.119 somebody seems to have a problem with it, and it 378 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:55.200 makes the news and and is it just? 379 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:55.559 Is it? 380 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.079 You know, a generation of people who were in their 381 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:00.400 formative years, they saw what happened during the Cone thing, 382 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.680 and they've now just labeled him. Is that what's going 383 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:03.680 wrong with Jay Leno? 384 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.640 Yeah, it's yes, it's we're backing Conan because it's the 385 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:13.720 same sensibility. Leno was the establishment candidate. Yep, and Conan 386 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.240 was the scrappy up and comer who's only been in 387 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.720 Late night for fourteen years himself. You know this poor 388 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:23.720 struggling artist. Did Conan get a short run to shows? 389 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.000 Need time to find her legs? 390 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:25.400 Of course? 391 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:29.200 And of course yep was when they pulled the chair 392 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.400 back out for Jay Leno and he says, no, I've 393 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.559 brought this up on your show before. What happens then? 394 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:37.880 Do they just keep Conan on ago w hoope this 395 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:39.759 works out? Or do they pull out the Jimmy Fallon 396 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.000 chair kind of quickly and now we all hate Jimmy 397 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.079 Fallon because he stole Conan's job. I I don't know, 398 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:50.119 putting aside that I might understand why you're on team 399 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.680 Conan and and are mad at j Us Letteran. People 400 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.119 got over it. I'm not mad at Jay. You know 401 00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:58.279