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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and ninety five, published on

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July thirty, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our

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interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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Speaker 3: Most people's bags are all screwed up. Shafts don't match up.

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Most wedges have very stiff shafts. The average golfer in

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here plays a regular flex, lightweight steel shaft or graphi.

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Even if you're twenty index of thirty index. You can

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pick up an eight iron or a wedge. Not every shot,

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but you can stick it in the grate. And when

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you make that shot, you'd like to see the same

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results you see on TV when it looks pretty and

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everything works right. But if a shaft's two stiffs on

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the wedge or some spec the loft, a lie is

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off and it doesn't seem to match your irons, it's

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going to be harder to make that shot in first place,

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and then you're not at the desired results. So wedge

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fitting is probably more important than the iron fitting because

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at the end of the day, that's how you're going

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to score, that's how you're going to save your par

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That's how you're going to stick that club and give

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yourself that birdie putt.

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Speaker 1: Picking the best driver for your game with club fitter

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Nick Manzano, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf

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Smarter for members only. Nick. Thank you, good to have

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you here. We're in your offices at the Golf Mart

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here in Sandrafel, California. If you want to know more

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about where you can go to one of the Sisters stores,

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go to Worldwide Golf Shops. Google that and you'll find

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something near you somewhere in the United States. It seems

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like they are growing and it's a quality organization. I've

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been dealing with them for a long time and I'm

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really glad to spend some time with you talking about

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custom club fitting and why there's advantages for the average

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for all golfers to be fitted from a local retailer

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or as you called a pro shop on steroids, versus

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big box pro shop, a big box pro shop. Thank

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you to do that versus going to an individual who

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has limited resources.

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Speaker 3: Well, there you had a couple of different choices. And

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for me, you know, I think the the golf Mart

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Roger Dones, what we have is the best of all worlds.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a bit crazy and we've got too much

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to do at one time. But you know, as long

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as somebody has a little bit of patience or is

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lucky enough to show up at a quieter time, everything

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works really good. And the resources available are probably second

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to none. When dealing with custom club builders, as I

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mentioned in the earlier broadcast, they're very limited usually in

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the clubheads they have, and some are very talented, but

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like myself, perhaps when I had my custom club business,

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you know, not the greatest business manager, And so how

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do you manage the inventory and all those products and

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samples and fitting carts and then make it all pay

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and work? You know, here, I just get to do

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nice fittings and that's taken care of by a very

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well proven, you know, corporate business plan that's worked over

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the years, and I just plug myself in and do fittings.

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The other coin is, you know, pro shops and club

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professionals and golf club professionals, and just like a great

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club fitter, most of those guys and gals do great

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jobs too. But again, most pro shops are usually limited

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and they don't have all the brands they have, you know,

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the brand the pro represents and is on staff with

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and they have.

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Speaker 1: How does that work in pro shops? I mean you'll

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go in and you'll say, wait a minute, don't you

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have the new Nike here? You know?

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Speaker 3: Well, most pro shops over the last I watched this

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with my club repair business is most pro shops really

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have made a choice. They've either gone really big, like

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say hagen Oaks up in Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: Right, which we recently visited there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: They're they're demo day and it's huge.

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Speaker 3: And and then most pro shops have downsized. And and

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there's lots of reasons. A lot of break ins because

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it's hard to secure. And the other reason is, you know,

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managing the inventory. It's a it's an industry that cycles

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every six months to a year with product.

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Speaker 1: And so that's your advantage here at the golf Mart.

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Speaker 3: That's our advantage because of the volume we do things cycle,

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we we get rid of the product faster than most

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because the volume we have so and because of the

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clout and our buying power, we can ship stuff back

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to the manufacturers and get credit if it's not selling.

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Speaker 1: We're a small shops don't have that kind of Yeah.

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Speaker 4: They don't have that.

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Speaker 3: Well, they probably do have that advantage, But does that

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golf professional have experience in retail merchandising and to what

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degree does he have that experience? And the best recent

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example here was right after the G twenty fives came

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out from Ping. They were selling great because I think

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it at least half, if not more than half of

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the tour players switched to the G twenty five when

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it came out, so it had great credibility and presence

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on tour and being a high MOI moment of in

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Nursia clubhead, it was very appropriate for a lot of

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recreational golfers as well, and it started selling great. And

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because it had the same basic adjuster sleeve as the answer,

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which was not not as forgiving a clubhead, they stopped

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selling almost instantly, So we sent the answers back to

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Ping and got G twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Things like that, your your.

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Speaker 3: Smaller pro shop is a little more challenge to manage

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that stuff and especially understanding the golf professionals and assistants.

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There are also you know, mixing up fitting and selling clubs.

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Speaker 4: Uh, it's probably.

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Speaker 3: A second teaching and managing the game and managing the

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course and promoting the game and putting on clinics and

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you know, so they have they have a mixed duty

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kind of like we have a mixed duty here. We

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have to price things and break down boxes and packages

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and put them up on the shelf and put up

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up and display and and we do fittings so.

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Speaker 1: That cycling that you referred to. The manufacturers, you know,

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they're very very limited. There are very strict rules on

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what they can do to their golf clubs, to the

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golf heads, the chafts, you know, the USGA rules. And

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it seems like they're always pushing the limit as far

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as they can go on what they're able to do.

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And yet they continue to come out with new product

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every six months, the big boys, right, And this is

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I hope I'm not putting you in an uncomfortable position

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by asking you this, because nobody's listening. It's just the

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two of us.

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Speaker 3: What I'm uncomfortable anyway, So what does it matter.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a ray personnel.

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Speaker 1: Are they? Are they really coming up with different things?

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Are they just as I like to jokingly say, are

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they just painting the head white and saying this is

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a completely different golf club?

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Speaker 3: No, there's You know, I was talking about the engineering

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departments earlier, but then you can talk about the marketing departments.

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And yeah, we've laughed about the the the advertising budgets

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probably dwarf there R and D, although they spend a

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lot of money in R and D. But I didn't realize,

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and you brought it up. The legal department probably has

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huge budgets too. Well, yeah, they the legal departments necessary

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because the clone's knocked off exactly. And just as they

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mentioned the intellectual property, you know, there's certain things that

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companies can't copy because Callaway has a patent, or Titleist

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has the patent, Ping has the patent, and and so

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they have to protect the assets that they have intellectual

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property wise, as well as promote the new stuff they've

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either licensed or they've figured out in their own or

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what have you not.

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Speaker 4: But going back to.

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Speaker 3: You know, the pro line major manufacturers and why somebody

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should consider buying that compared to custom club stuff from

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some of the better custom club suppliers or even some

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of the better knockoffs that are legal that you know

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you can find out there too. The the difference today

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and the biggest difference in the club heads is going

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to be twofold, in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: One is the degree of adjustable drivers.

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Speaker 3: The uh the amount of adjustment you have in a

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driver head today over the last couple of years, it's

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like a renaissance. You can adjust left, right, up, down

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one degree, half a degree, two degrees.

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Speaker 1: And uh, well it's it's just tuning. So I know,

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it's like you know that you're not supposed to make

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adjustments on your swing during around. Now you're adjusting your

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clubs and your your swing and you're you know, it's like.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking about the ability to fit somebody on

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a tour level, which you couldn't do before in the

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tour departments of.

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Speaker 1: Should the average ball for have an adjustable driver and

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be messing with it because you know, like the fifteen handicap,

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the midhand, even even a you know, a tan handicap.

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You know they're not in the single digits realm yet,

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but should they be messing with once they get fitted

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and get the right club. Should they be tweaking.

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Speaker 3: This thing depends on the individ Some some do all right. Most,

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I would have to admit, usually adjust it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And and they don't have access to a launch monitor,

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so and they don't know what numbers, what numbers are

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good or bad. So you know if they have their

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own in house simulator in their man cave at home,

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and uh, they have a smartphone or on the smartphone

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and they've and they've done their research properly that they

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can they can do it themselves.

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Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's a lot of resource to have.

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how often should I adjust this? What do you tell them?

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When someone says, you know, now that you've set this

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for me, when when should I make these adjustments?

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Speaker 3: Most people say quite the contrary. They they usually walk

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out with its standard or after being fit.

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Speaker 4: They just they're going to leave it that way.

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Speaker 3: And some of them don't even bother to ask for

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the wrenches wrenches when they leave a store.

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Speaker 1: Customer heads. Are these customizable heads more for the golfer?

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Are they for you the fitter?

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Speaker 4: Both?

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Speaker 3: They make my job as a fitter incredibly easy, I bet,

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because I can pull out one club hub, one clubhead

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and just sit there and play with it and get

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the numbers right.

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Speaker 1: And that sounds like you got a call coming in?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: Do you wanna? Do you want to tell them to

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bug off and continue this conversation? Or do you want

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me to put that on pause?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I better take the call, and can we.

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Speaker 1: Put this on pause?

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Speaker 4: We can?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll meet you out on the show floor and

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we'll start talking about a gear. Okay, we are now

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out on the show floor here at the golf martin

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San Rafel. And obviously the doors are open. They're customers

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that are here. They're guys over in the practice putting greens.

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There's hundreds of putters out here and club head covers.

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But what I wanted to do is Rocky the Flying

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squirrel just flew right by me. So the first place

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that I come up to our sets and here I

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see Nike callaway, more callaway? What am I looking at? Here?

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Adams Adams Golf? We did he mention them before? More

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of that and Tailor made ping right.

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Speaker 4: This is the graphite iron section.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so those are all the graphite, not all of them,

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but most of the graphite irons currently.

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Speaker 1: And do I notice that most of the graphite chafts

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also come with cavity back on the irons. You're not

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going to find a lot of blades.

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Speaker 3: With generally not Usually the assumption is somebody going to

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graphite is a softer swing, and it's going to benefit

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from a cavity back design with a lower center gravity,

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a little bit more health getting in the air, just

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like the graphite shaft is a softer tip and launches

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higher and lighter, and you know, swings with more ease

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Speaker 1: And then over here I see more cavity back clubs,

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but these look like steel chafts.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, here we have two rows here now, so

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this is the men's steel shafted iron sections.

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Speaker 4: We have everything here.

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Speaker 3: So every manufacturer has an arsenal of clubheads.

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Speaker 4: So Callaway's right here in front of us.

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Speaker 3: You've got the Exot the Exot Pro, and then you

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have the forgings, the Razor x's, and then you have

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last year's Razor X and a combo set. So you

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have a whole array of products that you can package

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as a set of seven or eight irons, or you

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can order ala carte. If, for instance, somebody isn't comfortable

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hitting a five iron, you can get just six to

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pitching wedge and a sand wedge.

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Speaker 1: So here I see that you have these Calaway clubs

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that are reduced price almost half the price. Are the

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ones right next to it because they're last year's model? Yeah?

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But how significantly different are these two sets of clubs?

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And is this a bad buy at half the price?

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Speaker 3: It all depends on the fit and the year over year.

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Sometimes they make really small, subtle improvements and sometimes they

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make huge leaps and bounds, And it just depends on

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the club and the product, and you know which year

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what they stumble across, you know, in the R and

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D department or.

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Speaker 4: You just it's all individual.

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Speaker 1: When do you remember a huge leaps and bounds by

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which manufacturer? When was it that you saw one set

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of irons to the next was huge leaps and bounds

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of improvement?

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Speaker 3: Specific Well, I've only been in this side of the

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industry for a year and a half, okay, so you

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know it were in custom club fitting. I was a

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custom club builder for years, so I'm not really qualified

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to answer that. But generally, what I know about the history,

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you know, the big leaps and bounds were are more

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probably a little bit back in the past when Ellie

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Callaway and Carson Solheim started pioneering cavity back irons and

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the investment casting. The biggest leaping bald is probably investment

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casting over forging, because investment casting allowed manufacturers with the

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molten steels, the four thirty one steals, the seventeen four steals,

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you can form a cavity back iron and you can

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distribute the metal around in a more precise way. Forging

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is your stamping ability to steal in a big press

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and then shaping in hand finishing it. So the time

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it takes to do that and the limitations of what

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you can stamp in a forging process is is you know.

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That's that was a huge difference, and that's what brought

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golf to everybody and made it easier for people to play,

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and recreational golfers everywhere benefited from that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Now, let's let's take a walk over here

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to a wall of drivers, and I see signs that

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say Callaway Tailor, Made Titleist, Ping Adams, Nike Ladies. So

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let's talk about what's hot these days, what you like

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and why and then conversely, what's selling really well and

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why because of last You know, we just finished the

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Open Championship and filled it incredibly well and nobody could

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put The greens were driving everyone crazy except Phil and Sold.

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Speaker 3: We can segue right there and Sunday, right after the Open,

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sold two of the three deep three woods. Not the

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same ones Phil was hitting, but you know, very similar.

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Speaker 1: Really the clubs that they're hitting. How close are these

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to that.

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Speaker 4: They can be the same club.

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Speaker 3: Oftentimes a pro will be handed a club by the

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manufacturer's rep and the I'll hit it, and their swings

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are so good and so precise, they hit it well,

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and it just happens to be a perfect fit.

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Speaker 4: Visually, it sets up for them the way they want

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it to.

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Speaker 3: And granted, the manufacturer's reps have already had an idea

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of what they like, so they go ahead and hand

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them something that's pretty darn close to what's going to

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work for him, and it has the shafting that they

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want it that they're used to. They pick it up,

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they look at it, it looks great, They give it

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a practice swing. It feels good. They go out and

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hit the ball. It goes right down the middle. They

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hit it a couple more times, it seems to be

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doing just what they want. There's nothing horribly custom about

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it that could go right into their bag. Now there

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are times when, for instance, I'm guessing Macilroy's going through

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this right now, is they're tweaking things and he's tweaking

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things in his swing and trying to figure out what's

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going on with a switch from titleist to Nike. And

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on another level and Plane, some of those guys, you know,

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they spend hundreds of thousand dollars on golf clubs for

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them just to get it right. But that's you know,

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paid for by you know, a huge marketing commitment by

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some of those players. But it fit properly. And the

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other thing too, I guess the most important thing is

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you were talking about is this club the same club?

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And in most cases it's not, and your right in

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which you're leading to it could be, but it usually

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is not.

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Speaker 4: But it's not appropriate.

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Speaker 3: The biggest I think mistake most people make coming in

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too buy golf clubs is they go by the tour

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head or the TP head or the pro head. The

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assumption is that's better, and the fact of the matter

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is it's not for most golfers.

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Speaker 4: It's worse.

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Speaker 3: Why tour heads tend to have a higher center gravity,

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a smaller head, so they can shape shots and work

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the ball left or right. They're not going to default

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straight as easily in a gravity's going to launch lower

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with less spin because a tour strong, stronger player, tour

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player generates enough spin. The recreational heads have a lower

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center gravity, a bigger head, they're going to default straight.

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They're going to be easier for most people to head.

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Speaker 1: This is such important information you just say I can't believe.

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And that's really valuable.

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Speaker 3: And this is where Tom with Sean goes nuts with

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the with our side of the industry. If you read

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his books, uh you know, the Twelve Myths and the

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Perfect Driver. He gets some digs in in the conventional

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golf industry and they're fair. He works both sides of

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the fence. He consults with PGA guys and Golf Digest

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and does seminars on that side and is well respected

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by by PGA pros across the country. And then he

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does what he does on the custom club side, and

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he's probably has more respect there even but it's the

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marketing sometimes or people both on a pro shop level

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and in a store like ours that lets somebody just

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walk out the door with that better head. And you know,

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if somebody wants to buy it and try it, as

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I said earlier, is yeah, that's fine. They can go

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try it, and we've got our ninety day warranty. They

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can bring it back, give it a whirl. If it

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doesn't work, though, that's when the custom club fitting comes in.

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And that's when they come back into the store and

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they're returning something. It's a very important question to ask, Okay,

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why didn't it work?

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Speaker 4: What was going on?

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Speaker 3: And you start the fitting interview process right then and there,

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and hopefully when they walk out the second time, they've

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got a more appropriate head. And that's where this arsenal.

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You see how many different heads we have here. You

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can't walk into you know, most custom club builders and

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see as many choices against the.

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Speaker 1: Wall this long, this is this is a probably a

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thirty five to forty foot wall of just clubs.

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Speaker 3: And each one of these clubheads are backed up by

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you know, a huge engineering in R and D department

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and just as importantly, because people have to want to

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buy it, you know, marketing department to take those engineering feats,

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whether they be a small one as we mentioned earlier,

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or a big leap inbound like some of the new

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adjustable drivers.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about irons earlier.

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Speaker 3: But the biggest leap inbound in technology is the fully

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adjustable drivers, and that combined with the launch monitor and

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a little bit of fitting expertise, doesn't take a ton.

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You know, somebody can have the equivalent of a tour

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level fitting today that only tour players could get, you know,

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on a full Doppler Rader track man with a couple

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of technicians standing by ten to fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 4: So it really is a renaissance.

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Speaker 1: As I'm looking at these Calloway drivers, you know, visually

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from where I'm you know, I'm just looking at the

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base of the bottom the foot of each of these clubs.

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But visually I can immediately tell a difference. I see,

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you know, not just in a red or a green

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or white with some red stripes, but even the paint design.

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I can gravitate too, and I see some are adjustable

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where some are not. Are there big differences in these

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in these three different Callaway clubs, you know, big differences, no,

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But there's lots of little differences.

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Speaker 3: People don't understand that they're tuned for different swing speeds

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and different ability levels and and different price points as well.

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And so that's why there's that many different drivers.

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Speaker 1: And then we come over to the next rack here,

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the next row, and probably it seems to be the

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more newer drivers that I'm seeing when I'm playing with

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friends or just out I'm playing with strangers, whatnot, the

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these tailor made whitehead drivers.

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Speaker 3: We actually have two racks of Taylor. They're the number one,

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number one driver in golf.

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Speaker 1: Why and uh? Well, and where did they come from?

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I mean like they came out of nowhere. It seems

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like once they.

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Speaker 3: Were they've been number one for years and drivers both

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on tour and recreationally, and uh, they're not. They're not

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willing to give up that spot. So they keep innovating.

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Speaker 1: And are they that I keep coming back? Are they?

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Is there room for innovation? What are they doing that

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is so unique?

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Speaker 3: Well, what what they did last year, which was really

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really smart and brilliant, is with the acquisition of Adam's

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Golf and being able to use their speed slot technology,

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and they came out with the rocket balls, the original one.

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And this year we have the Stage two, which refined

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a few things that weren't so weren't so easy for

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a lot of people to hat. But what was brilliant

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is they took that great fairwaywood innovation and they use

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that to market their drivers as well. You know, the

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drivers didn't have a leap and bound breakthrough the fairwaywoods did.

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But you know, with the association, they sold a lot

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of drivers the speed slot.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a cavity back would huh.

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Speaker 3: Well, the whole bottom half of the face springs on

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a normal fairway wood, you have the frame is at

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the bottom of the head, so when you miss it low,

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the face stops rebounding. Most fairway woods today have a

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high cor trampoline face, just like the drivers do. But

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when you get down to the bottom of the clubhead,

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where the soul is and where most of the weight is,

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that's the frame of the that's the frame that supports

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the face, so you don't get that bounce on the

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rocket ball as you do. So with the whole bottom

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half of the face being able to move, they took

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and refine that atoms technology, and then with their marketing department,

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they went out there and promoted it, and last year

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they cleaned everybody's clock really and they sold a lot

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of drivers on the coattails of the Fairway Woods.

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Speaker 1: And what does that offer me? As a you know,

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fourteen fifteen handicap? What am I going to notice right

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off the bat with that?

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Speaker 3: The what you'll get from that? The benefit will vary

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depending upon your swing speeds. At higher swing speeds, you'll

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be able to notice on your mishits down low that

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you're going to get off you know, a lot more

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distance and dead center, dead center if you strike any

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of these, arguably they're going to be very similar, okay,

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And that's why we have all all different different brands,

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and we sold lots of Callaway and Titleist and Nike

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last year too. So it's going to get down to

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where your mishits are a lot of times, and which

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club ed is going to have the center gravity and

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forgiveness where you need it. And that's where a fitting

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and a launch monitor can help.

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Speaker 1: And here are these ten and how we're moving to

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the next ale of tailor maids. And these drivers have

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compasses at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Going going back to Tom and the drivers, you

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take the R one for instance, and the R one

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and the titleist drivers and the ping drivers are a

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couple of my personal favorites. And the reason why I

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like them is because they all have weights in them.

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00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,039
So here you have the you can adjust the loft

479
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,359
up and down. You can go ahead and adjust the

480
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,319
face angle by dialing in the dial at the bottom

481
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,839
of the club, and so you can go up and

482
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:29,720
down with the loft or youset the face angle for

483
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:30,680
the preferred.

484
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,799
Speaker 4: Look and bias you want.

485
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,079
Speaker 3: And then what you have, And this is one of

486
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,680
Tom Mashan's things is everybody plays a too long of

487
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,799
a driver, and a lot of these drivers are forty

488
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:45,240
five and a half forty five and three quarters. And

489
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,400
Tomashean and Ralph Maltby at Malty Golferks, they both say

490
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,960
the same thing that drivers most peoples replaying a forty

491
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,440
four forty four and a half inch driver, they're going

492
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,400
to go straighter and longer, more usable distance, more fairways hit.

493
00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: And so why don't the manufacturers hear.

494
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:00,839
Speaker 4: That and sell drivers?

495
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,079
Speaker 3: And all some guys want to do is blast it

496
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,240
past their buddies a couple times and around of golf,

497
00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:07,400
and they're happy to do that.

498
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: And they think they can do that just because they

499
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,960
have another inch and a half on their shaft.

500
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,799
Speaker 3: If they hit it dead perfect once around, they go

501
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:17,920
ahead and get it. So that's part of an interview.

502
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,880
And when I fit somebody, I ask them, you know,

503
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,039
how do you approach the game. Are you just out

504
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:23,799
there and having fun you want to blast a couple

505
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,079
drives past somebody, or are you seriously working on your

506
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:28,519
score and you want to get your games down and

507
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,960
hit more fairways. And that determines, you know, what I

508
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:34,680
might suggest for somebody's shaft length. But going back to

509
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,640
the drivers and fitting a driver, because these also have

510
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,640
weights in them, there's leeway. The heads are made lighter

511
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,119
than average and the weights are put in there to

512
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,480
bring it up to weight. So I can go ahead

513
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,680
and put lighter weights in this, make this over length,

514
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,000
and I can go ahead. I can make a forty

515
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,559
seven inch like a long drive competition driver out of

516
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,200
these clubs. I can also put in heavier weights and

517
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,960
chop it down and fit somebody to a forty four

518
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,960
inch driver. And on the launch monitors, you look at

519
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,799
the numbers, they bear fruit. When I get a smart,

520
00:28:09,839 --> 00:28:14,039
thoughtful customer who wants to just hit more fairways. Oftentimes

521
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:16,279
will go a little bit shorter on the driver. Yeah,

522
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,920
and you hit ten twenty shots with a longer driver,

523
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,079
hit ten twenty shots for a shorter one. You look

524
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,960
at the average, you delete the worst hiccup shots, and

525
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,799
then look at the average usable yardage. That shorter driver

526
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,880
is usually going to be longer. Tom's right, Ralph Maltby's right,

527
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,799
But that with the not sexy with no, it's not

528
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:38,720
as much fun either.

529
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: But you know it's why you're out there on the

530
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:40,599
golf course.

531
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: You out there to blast drives and have fun, or

532
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,920
you out there to get your score down, or you know,

533
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,240
I think a lot of people should have two drivers. Really,

534
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,119
Nicholson had two drivers for quite some time.

535
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Most of the time you to carry one who's.

536
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: The other guy is?

537
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,359
Speaker 3: At Cooney one of the bigger hitters a few years back,

538
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,319
he had two drivers.

539
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: But you know, really they don't pay for their drivers.

540
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,920
Drivers are expensive.

541
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 4: What that's our use sections right over there.

542
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: So we've gotten used, and we've gotten new and and

543
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,599
and uh everything. But today having two drivers make sense.

544
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,720
You can have a short, conservative driver with a higher loft,

545
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720
and uh it may not go quite as far in

546
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,680
your best shot, but you can hit out on tight

547
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,839
hole short fair ways you're not playing good. You can

548
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,759
have a long driver in a wide open hole if

549
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,799
you want to go for that par five, or you're

550
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,759
just ticked off because your buddy's been driving to pass

551
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,319
you all day, you can take it out and whale

552
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:34,640
on it.

553
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know we say a lot of times

554
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,480
on the show. It's it's I'd give me ten feet

555
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:42,039
closer than ten yards further any day of the week.

556
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's it's really all about putting and wedges.

557
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,000
You know. All this other talk is silly.

558
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: It's like standing, we don't know, we haven't even talked

559
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,559
about because we've been here on the because drivers, it's

560
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:57,119
it's it's what sells, what what brings people into the

561
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:01,200
into the store. And and we're not we're not blowing

562
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000
by titleist in Cobra here to get to ping in Cleveland.

563
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:05,799
But let's just go ahead. Well, no, we started with

564
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:06,279
your one.

565
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: So the title is nine thirteen again, the same thing

566
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,039
you've got with the waitport in the back of it

567
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:18,720
and the adjustable grid they have, and you know that's

568
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:21,839
one of the one of the neat things you can do.

569
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,720
You can go up, down, left, right and fine tune

570
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720
a driver before or after the sale, and you can

571
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,920
adjust the link with the waitport welcome and on the

572
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,640
ping drivers, same thing to a customer. You have the

573
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,559
waitport in the back and you can adjust fine tune

574
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,240
the directional and loft parameters too.

575
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,559
Speaker 1: And the Nike driver as well.

576
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,039
Speaker 3: So those are like my four favorite drivers and partially

577
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:56,920
because selfishly speaking, they're easier to feed people into because

578
00:30:58,359 --> 00:30:59,680
you can get really good results.

579
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:11,039
Speaker 1: Okay, so we talk about innovation, unique design things like that.

580
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,200
This to me, this Nike driver with his huge cavity back,

581
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,440
this huge hole in the back, explain this, tell me,

582
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,000
you know, because you miss one. For a friend of mine,

583
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,160
I hit took one swing, it was blown away.

584
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,799
Speaker 3: But it's it's all about the candy apple red hot

585
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,839
rod finish, really.

586
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, versus the white white finish. But does that

587
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,759
have any significant impact on results?

588
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,279
Speaker 3: The aero dynamics of this paint job actually gives you

589
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,240
about three miles an hour a club at speed.

590
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: You're yanking my chain. Just no, but I'm I'm not.

591
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680
I'm asking about these convert.

592
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:52,359
Speaker 3: Drivers that well, Nike, the Nike had some we were

593
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,920
talking about again leaps and bounds and advances and drivers

594
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:01,200
and or irons earlier, and you know, the irons I

595
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,319
had went back into history, and then with the drivers,

596
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,519
I kind of brought us current with the adjustable drivers.

597
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,160
But with this one, Nike actually kept it very The

598
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,039
whole point of the name covert was because the whole

599
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,920
process of designing it, making sure they had the patent

600
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,079
styled in legal department, confirmed it, then they launched it,

601
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,400
and that's why it was covert. The whole process of

602
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,480
designing that driver was like a covert operation, so industrial espionage.

603
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,799
They didn't want somebody to beat them to the punch,

604
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,839
and they were very cautious about it, and thus the

605
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,920
name covert. Great, there's actually a story behind it. But

606
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,319
the neat thing about the cavity back is if you

607
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:40,279
put the weight forward, you're going to go ahead and

608
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,920
help lower spin among other things. With a cavity dugout

609
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,440
more heel and toil waiting, you're going to have a

610
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,960
high moment of a Nursia driver. So you end up

611
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960
getting both. And the beauty of the Nike over the

612
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,359
tailormade and the titleist in the pings is a level

613
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,960
adjustability and the simplicity of the adjustability. It only comes

614
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,240
in candy Apple red. You'd better be willing to swing

615
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,319
a hot rod and not have any problems with it.

616
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,119
Speaker 1: But the numbers are right there. Anybody can adjust that.

617
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, if you think you're hitting it too low,

618
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,519
dialed up one degree, you're hitting it to the left,

619
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,519
dial it to the right.

620
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: And it's just so simple all in one, and it works.

621
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: It does.

622
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: All the adjustments work. Some are more complicated than others.

623
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,319
Speaker 1: I see.

624
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,039
Speaker 3: So it's going to get down to it. You're saying

625
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:28,480
this Nike is the simplest. It is the simplest. And

626
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,160
you have again the tour head. And and the other

627
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:33,960
reason why this is a neat club head is you

628
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,759
have the tour head and you have the recreational head.

629
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: Exception is and people should really pay attention and ask

630
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,440
questions about is the tour head work? For me?

631
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,359
Speaker 3: Is that that's the perception. The tour head's better, but

632
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,799
the tour heads smaller. It's going to have less spin,

633
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,519
it's going to work the ball left and right more easily,

634
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,200
and it's going to come up a little bit.

635
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: Do that exactly.

636
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,839
Speaker 3: You've got to be able to want to do that,

637
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,200
First work it onto the fairway and then decide where

638
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,599
you're working it from there. Phil Mickelson with his deep

639
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:10,760
deep callaway three deep woods deep three woods at the Open,

640
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,880
you know, he's playing like a forty three forty three

641
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480
inch driver like we grew up playing. It's basically the

642
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,280
equivalent of that. He's a tall guy well, and what

643
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,280
he managed to do at Merefield is he could work

644
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,320
the ball because he had more control over the smaller

645
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,760
club head and the shorter shaft. We were talking about

646
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,639
long and short drivers. Basically what he was swinging was

647
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,559
the equivalent of Ralph Maltby's hero driver he promoted in

648
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:39,559
his golf books high lofted, shorter length and for a

649
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,960
lot of people going to a callaway three deeper the

650
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,119
titleist fd in going to that kind of a three

651
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,599
wood's going to be longer. But on the Nikes, what's

652
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,880
really neat is you can get the tour shaft in

653
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,119
the recreational covert head. So the neat thing about the

654
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,960
Nikes too, I can put in the lighter weight, low

655
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:08,480
moment of inertia, faster swinging recreational shafts for somebody with

656
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:12,599
a lighter swing speed and less golf athleticism. I can

657
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,440
take the tour shaft out of the tour head and

658
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:18,159
I can put it in the covert, no up charge. Nice,

659
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,360
So again just a it's a special order. We don't

660
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,360
have them on the shelf and most golf shops don't,

661
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,599
but we can do that.

662
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: You can get it. So we in above Nike. Here

663
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,239
you have Adams Golf, which is not one of the

664
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,679
big players, but come have well they'd product.

665
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: They are arguably the biggest in hybrids of recent history

666
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,519
and really pioneered hybrids on tour. But they in regards

667
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:47,400
to drivers, you know, would be behind some of the

668
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,719
other names we've mentioned. But when you go to Adams,

669
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:55,599
then you have some other things. So it's all marketing

670
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,840
and perception. So it's a four to sixty head, it's

671
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,719
got a point eight three to zero c R to

672
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,440
the so it's going to have roughly the same moment

673
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480
of inertia, it's going to have roughly the same spring

674
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,679
off the face. One of the things that Adams has

675
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:12,519
done marketing wise that they put in top dollar shafts,

676
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,039
and so here you have the matrix hd raddis last

677
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,840
year in the LS you had the Fubuki by Mitzi

678
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,639
Bichira on the number one shaft on tour and the

679
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:27,199
Fabuki is a little bit softer tip at a very

680
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,760
low spin tour grade shaft that a lot of top

681
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,840
amateurs club pros I know, and there are tour players

682
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,000
that play it on tour two.

683
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,159
Speaker 4: It comes standard in the club.

684
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,079
Speaker 3: So rather than spending big bucks in marketing, they put

685
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,440
it back into the shaft of the club.

686
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: And it's kind of a sleeper.

687
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: And that's a neat thing about working here is it

688
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,079
took me a couple months to figure out that was

689
00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:50,000
in there. Somebody came in asking about it because they'd

690
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,199
heard about the shaft, and I pulled one out fit

691
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,679
them and it was some of the best numbers I

692
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,559
ever had in the computer.

693
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 1: Really well, so that's really interesting. So now here we're

694
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,199
looking at the bottom of all these clubs and we

695
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719
see big names in the bottoms. But how important and

696
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,800
how much does the average consumer not pay attention to

697
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960
the shaft And how important is the shaft?

698
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,119
Speaker 3: The shaft is just as important as every other part

699
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,719
of it. Yeah, it's got to be the right weight,

700
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,559
it's got to be the right flex point. You got

701
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,360
to have the spin rate from the shaft match the

702
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,519
loft of the head, and you got to have at

703
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,480
the right length. As we talked about, you know, it's

704
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:33,519
these clubs are fit. The off the shelf clubs as

705
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:36,239
they sit, are fit, like Tom W. Shawan says, for

706
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,519
a quote standard average golfer. They're not fit for anybody specifically,

707
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,159
they're fit for different standards. The tour clubs are set

708
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:51,519
for faster, stronger swinging players with lower indexes. Generally, the

709
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:55,000
recreational clubs are fit for somebody with an average swing

710
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,199
tempo somewhere between a senior golfer and an average forty

711
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,719
year old guy. And you know where you run into

712
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,119
problems is you know, tall guys, short guys, maybe the

713
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:12,960
uh the contractor guy you know who's built like a tank.

714
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,119
And we used to play baseball. MAT's number four in

715
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:20,360
his softball team, and he can hit the sneezes out

716
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,119
of the ball, but he doesn't have the athleticism or ability.

717
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:25,519
Does he go with a tour head or does he

718
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:26,599
go with a regular.

719
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,159
Speaker 1: Head and he just wants to hit as far as

720
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:29,679
he can every single shot.

721
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it all depends if he's a finished carpenter. He

722
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,320
may want to hit a few more fairways. You know,

723
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
if he's a framer, he probably wants to beat it

724
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,079
out there.

725
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:39,599
Speaker 4: But I guess I was talking about a framer.

726
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. All right, So now we have

727
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,360
we've not even gone into the fairy woods and the hybrids.

728
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,599
We've really been talking about drog.

729
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: We touched on the fareawee.

730
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then of course we have the wedge,

731
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000
the wedges, which are a whole different category of what's

732
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,719
going on. And is that a different fitting?

733
00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,079
Speaker 3: Well, the wedges would follow the irons, So in a

734
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,760
whole whole set fitting, you would usually start with the irons.

735
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,119
Then you would figure out the lowest iron you have

736
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,320
a playable trajectory with and that and consistency with.

737
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: Hi ray No, we are.

738
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,519
Speaker 1: On the show floor, and so these interruptions we're going

739
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:20,239
to be expected. So really.

740
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,559
Speaker 4: You mean fred here?

741
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, So why is Nick the best at

742
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,400
what he does? He explains things and doesn't talk down

743
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,679
to you.

744
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: He spent time research.

745
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:29,599
Speaker 1: He's a player.

746
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,039
Speaker 4: Can you ask me if you can't do it? He

747
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:32,400
does it?

748
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: And did he fit you?

749
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: He fit me both irons and.

750
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:38,599
Speaker 1: And how are your results pretty dog on good? Like?

751
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:45,679
What consistent in? What movement really for? There's a testimony

752
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:56,159
right there, Nick, put the twenty back. That's important. Thank you? Yeah, sure,

753
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:59,079
go go go hit the chorus. But remember you can't

754
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:02,400
wear a denim on the cour the same question.

755
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: Thank you?

756
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:14,679
Speaker 3: Okay, Nick, So more than I deserve on the wedges.

757
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,239
So you would start a complete club fitting. Usually you

758
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,079
would go with I would go with the irons. First,

759
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,599
you figure out what iron they struggle with, and you

760
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,719
cut it off on the bottom at the top end,

761
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,079
you decide, uh, the you decide roughly what your set

762
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:29,840
makeup is. You how many clubs you have to play with.

763
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,800
Then you go to how many wedges they want? Then

764
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,280
you get the spacing in the wedges, the transition from

765
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,280
the irons to the wedges. Most people's bags are all

766
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,880
screwed up, and uh, you know, the gaps and spacing.

767
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,440
People struggle with it and they hit knock down shots

768
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,280
and and shafts don't match up.

769
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: Most wedges have very stiff shafts.

770
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: The average golfer in here plays a regular flex lightweight

771
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:56,199
steel shaft or graphite. We can special order wedge to

772
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,199
match the set so tuning the wedges into the set

773
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,480
that transition and when you're even if you're twenty index

774
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,039
of thirty index, you can pick up an eight iron

775
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,119
or a wedge and not every shot, but you can

776
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,440
stick it in the grain, and when you make that shot,

777
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,280
you'd like to see the same results you see on

778
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239
TV when it looks pretty and everything works right. But

779
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,800
if the shaft is too stiff in the wedge or

780
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,920
some speck the loft, the lie is off and it

781
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,199
doesn't seem to match your irons, it's gonna be harder

782
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,639
to make that shot in the first place, and then

783
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:31,719
you're not gonna get the desired results. So wedges wedge fitting,

784
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,519
I think is probably more important than the iron fitting

785
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
really because that's at the end of the day, that's

786
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,960
how you're gonna score, that's how you're going to save

787
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,719
your par that's how you're going to stick that stick

788
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,559
that club and give yourself that birdie putt. So the

789
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:49,760
wedges and putters really is where if you and I

790
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,360
were really in comish on and everybody, we would all

791
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,920
start off our conversations and books about wedges and putters

792
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:58,320
really instead of about drivers and irons.

793
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,199
Speaker 1: And so when you're doing a fitting and someone's coming

794
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,119
in for the entire set, are you gonna advocate to

795
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:13,440
have more wedges in their bag? Then hybrids and fairway

796
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,960
woods and you know, the big boy clubs or absolutely yeah.

797
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: I go with Dave Pel's on that maybe not maybe

798
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,039
not a super lob wedge, but having his books and

799
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,039
read some of his stuff too, And then with my

800
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:31,360
own bag, you know, having four wedges like a forty five,

801
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,960
a fifty, fifty five and a sixty. It's just a

802
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,840
lot more intuitive, a lot simpler. The average golfer doesn't

803
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,960
have to make the half three quarter swings and they

804
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,280
can hit a few more greens and again set themselves

805
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,199
up for that birdie putt.

806
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,519
Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation that's been on this show

807
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:55,800
about the design of wedges versus irons, and the folks

808
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,320
over at score Golf talk about how the the the

809
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,039
nine irons should be designed more like a wedge than

810
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,000
a six iron.

811
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: Terry Kohler, Terry Kayler, Yeah, Taylor Okay Kaylor at score Golf,

812
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,559
Yeah yeah, I'd an account with Idelon. I didn't mention

813
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:14,440
him earlier, but he was one of the better component

814
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,360
suppliers to buy wedgeheads from with his Idolon and Scare wedges.

815
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know he's he's trying to sell

816
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,320
more wedges. Yeah.

817
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: And he makes a great product, he does. And I

818
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,119
tend to have a slightly different opinion. I think more

819
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,639
of the clubs should be designed more like the irons,

820
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,000
and I like to fit people in the gap wedge.

821
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,719
I'd rather fit somebody with a gap wedge or approach wedge,

822
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,639
universal wedge, whatever the company might call it, in the

823
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,679
iron set. And the reason why I like that is

824
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,280
the leading edges on those irons tend have straighter edges.

825
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:54,199
I think they set up and target better for the

826
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,840
average golfer doesn't have the fine eye of a tour

827
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,679
professional or PGA professional that that straight or leading edge

828
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,400
targets better. And then segueing into your more sophisticated wedges

829
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,960
like idol on scores or all of ours, the Vokys

830
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,039
and the Cleveland's and the Mizunos, and a new callaway

831
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:19,039
wedge which is really neat too. Your sand, your lob,

832
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,639
your super lob. Those are all very specific to the

833
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:29,440
turf you're playing, whether you're a sweeper, a digger, and

834
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,280
the courses you play on. You know, do you want

835
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,079
to pick it off a hard pan and flop it

836
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,280
over a sand trap? Is that a shot you're going

837
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,320
to encounter most of the time in your unicorse or

838
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,079
do you have to plunk it out of the rough

839
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,960
and get it to stop in the green And then

840
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,840
you get into bounce and lofts and but I kind

841
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,760
of like the gap weadge as part of an iron set.

842
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome. Let's talk about repair and and how people

843
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,960
should sometimes maybe get repairs done instead of changing.

844
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens. And that's one of the neatest things

845
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,880
about working here and helping to kind of run and

846
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,960
organize the repair department is a lot of times people

847
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,199
coming with the reshaft or they want something cut down

848
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,119
and just understanding the custom club side of things and

849
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,400
being able to, well, when I chop it down while

850
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,800
we re swing wait it. So it costs five bucks

851
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,920
more for some lead tape or some tongues and powder.

852
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,599
But now they walk out of here with a better driver.

853
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:33,920
And if they're in a budget and or they got

854
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,840
the club for free, there's a for personal reasons. They

855
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,880
it was there, you know, their grandfather's club that taught

856
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,880
them how to play golf when they are kids, you know,

857
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,480
making that more enjoyable and putting that club in their

858
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,760
bag right by putting the right shaft in it, shortening it,

859
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,440
lengthening it, rebalancing it properly, just like we are talking

860
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,639
about in the driver department, and making sure grips are

861
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,360
put on straight and the right size. Most people play

862
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,519
with standard sized grips. In my opinion, most the average

863
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,519
guy should play with a one thirty second over size grip.

864
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,599
Speaker 1: And can you figure that out in a fitting.

865
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,679
Speaker 4: It's usually a really good fitting.

866
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: That's where you would finish up, usually with selecting the grip,

867
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,079
the texture of the feel, and going back to what

868
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,920
you're talking about the wedges is making sure if they're

869
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,880
keeping their wedges, you're fitting for irons. You know, have

870
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,639
them bring the wedges in, putting new grips in the

871
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:33,440
wedges at the same time, make sure the diameters are

872
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,400
the same. You know, you do a really nice fitting

873
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,800
in a set of irons and they walk out the

874
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,679
door and they have their three standard wedges in their

875
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,079
car with smaller grips on it, so they have more

876
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:44,639
grip tension, and so they may strike their irons better,

877
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,639
but now you just messed up the wedges in their

878
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,719
bag because the grip size is different. So the little

879
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,480
things matter, the big things matter. The average golfer needs

880
00:46:55,519 --> 00:47:01,320
custom fitting more than the tour player. Tour player can

881
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,480
take one robotic swing. They know if it fits or

882
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,320
doesn't fit. They have enough confidence that they want two swings.

883
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,159
They know the club's right or wrong, and they have

884
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,320
a good idea of what needs to be done to

885
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,280
make it right. The average recreational golfer doesn't have a clue,

886
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,199
and they assume it's them. And it's too bad because

887
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,199
you know, we want to grow the industry, We want

888
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,320
to grow the game. We want people to play faster.

889
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,000
You know, USGA, if they, if they, you know, really

890
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:33,480
wanted people to play faster, they would spend a lot

891
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:37,760
more time emphasizing and promoting really good fitting and getting

892
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:42,440
people to play better. And you know, then sometimes putting

893
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,800
pins and nasty places on Fridays and Saturdays and having

894
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,559
the rough grown and some courses that doesn't.

895
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: Help with the play either.

896
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: But and Marshall's not helping you look for balls. Okay,

897
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,880
so another topic, Well, this has been unbelievably educational. I

898
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,360
really appreciate you spending so much time explaining these things.

899
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,639
I learned so much, I can't believe it.

900
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 4: Well, I hope I didn't put my foot in my

901
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:08,840
mouth too often.

902
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: Well you'll have to be You'll have to decide that

903
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,800
yourself when you listen. But what I would like to

904
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,480
do at some point soon is I want to come

905
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:21,480
in here and have you fit me for clubs and

906
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,960
let's go through a fitting process, and I'm going to

907
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,119
videotape this so that we can go ahead and take

908
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:30,199
that and put it up on golf Smarter TV and

909
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,559
go through a process and what I learn about being

910
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,840
fitted and then realize am I playing playing with the

911
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,840
right clubs? Hybrids? You know? Would driver wedges? Are these

912
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,159
the right clubs for me? Are the changes that I've

913
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,480
made in my swing over the years since I've gotten

914
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,800
these clubs? Are they still correct or not? Because I

915
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,199
was fitted for these? So I would I would love

916
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,000
to get your feedback and love to come and do

917
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,039
that videotape video with you.

918
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 3: We can do that would be my pleasure, And you know,

919
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,719
might have to do it in a couple of sessions.

920
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,159
That's okay, you know, I'd probably start with the irons,

921
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,599
go to the wedges. Then I would fit you of

922
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,119
the fairway wood, and then we'd fill the gaps with hybrids.

923
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, driver would be the icing on the cake. Yeah. Well,

924
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,519
it's interesting because I'm getting ready to make some moves

925
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,719
on you know. Right now. What I'm doing is I'm

926
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,039
carrying the hybrids for a three and four iron, but

927
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:29,599
I'm carrying a three wood. But it's actually a forwood

928
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,760
and a driver that I'm carrying. I'm carrying five wedges.

929
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,000
Everybody should take note that you're playing a forwood. What's

930
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,480
your index these days? It's gone up to fourteen five,

931
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,119
fourteen five. I've been down as low as eleven nine.

932
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,280
But I'm in that, you know, like a regular flex

933
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,840
stiff flex yeah, regular metal flex.

934
00:49:51,039 --> 00:49:54,519
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but yeah, everybody should take note that you're

935
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:55,239
playing a four wood.

936
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,159
Speaker 4: I play a forwood.

937
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: Well forwoods are actually magical fairway woods from And I'll

938
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,280
tell you because three High Launches and Tailor made the

939
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,599
marketing gurus of the wood business.

940
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: And we talked about Jesse Ortiz made my club for me,

941
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,880
and he said, look, I'm going to give you this

942
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,880
is you don't have to tell anyone's a fourwood. It's

943
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,760
really You could say it's a three wood if you want,

944
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:16,800
but it's really a forwood.

945
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Jesse Ortezes fourwood actually is almost like a

946
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:25,199
five wood. Oh, now I'm really confused because it's loft

947
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,320
in center gravity. Jesse or tees going back to the

948
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,719
olo our days, he has one of the shallowest face heights.

949
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,000
And I've done this in the past here with used

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ones and our bins that we had sitting around, and

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I can take one of his fifteen degree three woods

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and put in the hands of a slow swinging woman

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and because of the center gravity being solow, it launches

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and he gets up in the air.

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Speaker 4: Really nice.

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Speaker 1: I like the club. It treats me well, so it

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treats me very forgiving. Yeah, well that's a whole different

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that's a whole different show and other topic. But thank

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you again for letting me take you away from the

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floor here and interrupting your workday. But it's really been awesome.

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Thank you again. Hello Michael, Hello Michael, thanks for being

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on the show. So Nick Manzano is the club custom

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club fitter here at the Golf Martin one of many

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custom club fitters here and again if you'd like to

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get If you have any specific questions that you want

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Nick to answer, I'm sure he'd be happy. If you

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want to, just go ahead and click on the Heyfred

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button at golfsmarter dot com. Send me the email. I

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will go ahead and forward it to Nick and you

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can start your own conversation with him. Are you okay

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with that? Ah?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: May? That was that was a That was definite, definitive

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answer there. All right, Nick, thanks so much. I really

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appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. I hope I help